Use of a power conditioner with a Bryston 9B2 power amplifier

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WillyP

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Hi James,

I am thinking of buying a power conditioner for my all Bryston setup. I read a very favourable review of a power conditioner, but there was one caveat. The Bryston 4B3 needed more watts than the conditioner could deliver, so the Bryston was connected to a power strip.

My power amplifier is the 9B2 (with five channels), and I would like to know if the 9B2 also needs as many watts as the 4B3 to work correctly.

Thanks,

WillyP

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I am thinking of buying a power conditioner for my all Bryston setup. I read a very favourable review of a power conditioner, but there was one caveat. The Bryston 4B3 needed more watts than the conditioner could deliver, so the Bryston was connected to a power strip.

My power amplifier is the 9B2 (with five channels), and I would like to know if the 9B2 also needs as many watts as the 4B3 to work correctly.

Most power that enters homes today is quite well regulated and relatively free from noise and requires no "conditioning".

It's human nature to assume that an expensive device will somehow transform and improve our audio systems, but it ain't so. Myself, I'd spend that money elsewhere - maybe on music.

brucek

WillyP

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Thanks, brucek, for your reply. At the moment I have an Isotek power strip with cables from the same brand and there is a modest (but noticeable) improvement for audio and video. I expect that the use of a power conditioner again will give a slight improvement. There is also surge protection on board.

WillyP

WillyP

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Hi James,

I am thinking of buying a power conditioner for my all Bryston setup. I read a very favourable review of a balanced isolation power conditioner with an output of 2400 VA. There was one caveat, though. The Bryston 4B3 needed more watts at high listening levels than the conditioner could deliver, so the Bryston was connected to a power strip.

My power amplifier is the 9B2 (with five channels installed) and it is about as power-hungry as the 4B3. For your information, my listening levels are always modest, 75 dB at max.

What would be the best option for my 9B2: a connection to a wall socket or a connection to the power conditioner?

Of course, I could let my ears decide, but it is a bit of a hassle to move such heavy gear around in my living room.

Thanks,

WillyP

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Hi Willy

With high powered amplifiers I usually recommend the BIT 20 - if not then plug the amplifier directly into the wall.

The BIT products address a number of issues with poor power delivery and safety but is not required in all cases depending on your specific power conditions.

james

WillyP

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Hi James,

Thanks for your quick reply, as always. Can you explain to me (in simple terms) why a BIT 20 can deliver the power to a Bryston amplifier while most conditioners cannot? Is it because the BIT 20 is using an isolation transformer?

WillyP

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Hi,

And can you also explain the different isolation transformers that are used within the Bryston amplifier series.

I believe that some Bryston amplifiers already have the Bit isolation transformers???

Luigi

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Hi,

And can you also explain the different isolation transformers that are used within the Bryston amplifier series.

I believe that some Bryston amplifiers already have the Bit isolation transformers???

Luigi

Hi Luigi

Yes we use what we refer to as high storage transformers in the larger amps like the 7B, 14B and 28B but they do not replace all the features of the BIT.

james

WillyP

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Hi James,

Thanks for your quick reply, as always. Can you explain to me (in simple terms) why a BIT 20 can deliver the power to a Bryston amplifier while most conditioners cannot? Is it because the BIT 20 is using an isolation transformer?

WillyP

Hi James,

Do you also have an answer to my question?

Thanks,

Willy

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Hi Willy

Yes I was working on it - its lengthy:

Bryston BIT Isolation Transformer Motivation

The concern Bryston had with a lot of power line conditioners available in the market was that many of them could restrict the current available to the amplifier. An amplifier can draw very high peak current, and wants to 'see' a very low impedance high current source from the power line. In fact, we even stated in our owners manuals not to plug our amplifiers into power conditioners. The Transformer based line conditioners we tested were too small to supply the peak current required and many of them were just Filters and did not provide Isolation -(Isolation means there is no mechanical connection between the outside power grid and your inside system power supply).

Also most of the surge protection was done using MOV’s, which are sacrificial and eventually will be destroyed with repeated spikes. Other issues with these MOVs is that they allow much more voltage through before they reacted (typically 300 volts and higher) and they shunt the voltage spikes to ground.
So we decided to try and develop a powerline Conditioner, Isolation and Protection unit that would not have the restrictions of the many units currently on the market from an amplifier performance perspective.

Benefits of Bryston BIT Power Isolation Units:

Benefit #1: Very low source impedance and high current for the power amplifier
BRYTSTON power isolation units present low impedance to any electronic device that is connected to them. A Single 20 amp BIT PIU has an output impedance of 0.2 ohms and can deliver 400 amp peaks (instantaneous current). The 100 amp unit only has .04 Ohms of output impedance. A typical 200 watt audio power amplifier demands 10 amps RMS current from a 120 volt line (1200VA) but may demand up to 50 amp instantaneous peaks. The standard residential wall receptacle can't supply the 50 amp peaks because they typically have higher nominal impedance. A BIT 20 amp PIU plugged into the same wall plug can supply these peak current requirements quite easily.

Benefit #2: Power surge protection using Series Mode Surge Suppression rather than MOV's
The BIT power products use the finest, most elaborate surge suppression technology available. Series Mode Surge Suppression does not shunt the spike to ground like MOV's do, and therefore the ground is infinitely more stable in a BIT power device. Additionally, most MOV-based surge suppression units allow as much as 300 volts through to the protected components, easily enough to do substantial damage, where as BIT surge suppression has clamping voltage onset of around 2V above peak nominal voltage. BIT units are built to meet 6000 volts, 3000 amps at 1000 repeats standard.

Benefit #3: Total isolation from outside power grid
BIT power products provide isolation through its finest designed toroidal transformer between the outside power grid and the devices being protected. Such isolation helps to reject external noise sources such as motors, lights, and dimmers commonly found in the home environment. BIT power products provide noise filtering at a range from approximately 2000Hz to over 1MHz – other regular transformer based products do not start operating until nearly 10,000 Hz.

Benefit #4: High Power Capability
There are 15 models of BIT power products available ranging from 15 amps to 100 amps and 120/240 Volts.

Benefit# 5: Low Noise
Bryston BIT products utilize ‘LONO’ (Low Noise) transformer design technology that eliminates audible noise in the power transformer regardless of line conditions, DC offset and over-voltage. BIT products perform at the NC10 level measured on the standard NC (Noise Criteria) – which makes them suitable for use in very quiet environments such as professional recording and broadcast studios.

Benefit # 6: Cleaner Power
Bryston BIT products utilize “NBT” (Narrow Bandwidth Technology) to attenuate differential and common-mode noise without external circuits or components, and starting at a lower corner frequency (2Khz) than other systems. The BIT result is startling – see press and user comments!

Benefit # 7: AVR (optional automatic voltage regulation
The new feature is Automatic Voltage Regulator (AVR). The AVR would make sure that the output voltage of the unit stays uniform within an acceptable range when the input voltage is either increased from or dropped below the acceptable range.The purpose is to keep the output voltage uniform when the input voltage varies over a wide range from 130V to 95V for the North American models and 260V to 190V for the International models and to shut the system down if the input voltage goes above 135V or below 90V for North American models and above 270V or below 180 for the International models.

Benefit # 8: AVR-2 Elite – Remote power management using Power Connect
•   Connect to local network using Web page browser
•   Password control
•   Email notification of fault conditions
•   No programming or internet connection needed

James Tanner,
Bryston

WillyP

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Re: Use of a power conditioner with a Bryston 9B2 power amplifier
« Reply #10 on: 10 Sep 2021, 12:52 pm »
Hi James,

Thank you again for all your trouble. Must have been a lot of work.

WillyP