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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Power Conditioning => Topic started by: James Edward on 23 Dec 2023, 11:08 pm
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I would like a power distribution block/strip for my system. No switch, no surge protection, no led, circuit breaker, etc. I currently use a Wiremold L10320, but it’s been a while and I figure I’d like to ‘upgrade’ to a more pimped out one with heavier gauge wire and better power cord. Cullen, Furutech, are a couple on the radar.
Any boutique brands out there that I’m unaware of, please let me know.
Thanks.
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I would visit the nearest hardware store and buy a dozen outlets, wiring, an aluminum or plastic box to your liking, a few meters of AWG 10 or 12 hard wiring and after a few hours of fun investment the job is done.
Dont walk, run from audiophile outlets and power strips.
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VH Audio
Cardas Audio Nautilus
Acoustic Revive
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https://audioenvy.com/product/power-cord/okta-power-pro/
https://audioenvy.com/product/power-cord/quad/
Also look at Audio Sensibility
https://audiosensibility.com/blog/products-2/power-distribution/#!/Impact-SE-Power-Distribution/p/49910209/category=2595838
With currency differences US price is about 75% plus always a sale coupon to be applied.
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If you're upgrading and just want a plain powerstrip, then the main upgrade would be the outlets for a slightly improved sound. Look for powerstrips with Furutech outlets based on your budget. Ironically, the Furutech brand of powerstrips are ridiculously overpriced, IMO.
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I had three friends and two acquaintances who were all jewellers, whom three of them are now dead. One of them used to make Rhodium baths for me in power sockets and IC connectors, I will not tell the price because yous wont believe.
Audiophile Rhodium connectors are sold at premium prices.
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Since Steven at Audio Sensibility is also a Furutech dealer I'm sure he would be happy to swap out the Denki of Japan outlets on the unit I linked for Furutech branded ones for a price. He carries six different grades of Furutech outlets. I've owned one of his Statement power distribution blocks with Furutech outlets for several years now.
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In the IT field Isobar is considered to build a quality product.
4 socket for $65
Tripp Lite ISOBAR4ULTRA Isobar 4 Outlet Surge Protector Power Strip, 6ft Cord, Right-Angle Plug, Metal, Lifetime Limited Warranty & Dollar 50,000 Insurance White https://a.co/d/aGrUTgy
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Tripp Lite ISOBAR4ULTRA Isobar 4 Outlet Surge Protector Power Strip, 6ft Cord, Right-Angle Plug, Metal, Lifetime Limited Warranty & Dollar 50,000 Insurance White https://a.co/d/aGrUTgy
:thumb:
I've been using the ISOBAR4ULTRA for years. The 3-levels of outlet isolation really works. Years ago when I had a pin printer it would cause all sorts of havoc with the computer, the ISOBAR4ULTRA isolated the printer and the problems disappeared.
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The Furutech powerstrips are the best deal in audio. Unbelievable quality and performance for the price. I recommend the e-TP609 NCF.
https://www.furutech.com/2017/11/24/15943/
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Look thru the Audio Circle Market Place.
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Well, I went with the Audio Sensibility- the price was where I wanted, and they seem like an upstanding place to do business with. https://audiosensibility.com/blog/products-2/power-distribution/#!/Impact-SE-Power-Distribution-4-plex/p/49910224/category=2595838
All told, price was roughly US $230.00.
Here’s what I plug in: Luxman L-590AXII, Esoteric K-07X, Pro-Ject Debut Carbon SB, Bluesound Node
What I want to achieve: Most of the companies, including Audio Sensibility, tout isolation of outlets, so I’ll be plugging the K-07X and Bluesound into one pair and the Luxman and Pro-Ject into the other. Will it make a difference? Who knows…
Like the L10320, the new power block has no switch, LED, circuit breaker, surge protection, or filtering. But it does have a better, heavier gauge power cord, better outlets, passive EMI/RFI blocking.
If nothing else, It’ll be a do no harm change, and quite possibly an improvement.
Thank you for all the replies- hopefully the piece makes its way from Toronto quickly, and I’ll post my thoughts.
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Seems like a lot for the money. Yes separating Digital from Analog matters. Give it some time to settle with the Teflon dielectric. Do not rush to judgement.
charles
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Seems like a lot for the money. Yes separating Digital from Analog matters. Give it some time to settle with the Teflon dielectric. Do not rush to judgement.
charles
Both audiophile misunderstandings.
a] The best plan is to have all the audio components on the same AC power circuit.
But this is more important with RCA rather than balanced or digital interconnects.
b] At the theoretical level, PVC is a better AC power cord and cable insulation than Teflon.
High tech dielectrics have much better high frequency characteristics than PVC.
This is the opposite of a power conditioner filter.
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After auditioning a few Operas and Symphonies I only feel confident with PVC awg 10 hard wiring, usually safe until 70ºC, rubber is a better electric insulator, but more expensive than PVC.
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Both audiophile misunderstandings.
a] The best plan is to have all the audio components on the same AC power circuit.
But this is more important with RCA rather than balanced or digital interconnects.
b] At the theoretical level, PVC is a better AC power cord and cable insulation than Teflon.
High tech dielectrics have much better high frequency characteristics than PVC.
This is the opposite of a power conditioner filter.
Are you talking from hands on experience ? Have you tried it ? No misunderstanding at all. It just sounds better in our experience. More dynamic and open sound stage. BTW each dedicated line is the same length to avoid ground issues.
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I'm talking from reading the experts on the subject like:
Keith Armstrong
Jim Brown
Henry Ott (RIP)
Neil Muncy (RIP)
Ralph Morrison
Henry Ott (RIP)
Bill Whitlock
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The main reason for powering everything from one circuit is:
To keep the length of the Safety Ground/Protective Earth wires from one audio unit to the other components as short as reasonable.
We want all the units at the same chassis potential.
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Keeping the dedicated AC power lines the same length is just another audiophile misunderstanding. (but people that should know better have made it)
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The Furutech powerstrips are the best deal in audio. Unbelievable quality and performance for the price. I recommend the e-TP609 NCF.
https://www.furutech.com/2017/11/24/15943/
i bought the etp60 about 20 yrs ago. a year ago, added Flow-15 for the NCF filtering.
https://www.furutech.com/2013/02/21/1560/
only thing i compared against are audio magic's ac filters from back in the day and furutech is better. the Flow-15 made a big difference in my system too.
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I’m simply plugging the digital components into one duplex and and analog into the other. Same circuit. As I said, I have no idea if this will make a difference, but better outlets and heavier gauge wire, along with Stillpoints ERS material can’t hurt.
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PS Audio original juice bar?
Pop up once in a while for about 100 bucks or so.
I had one. Well made. Uses PS Audio's powerports
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=240053)
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In the IT field Isobar is considered to build a quality product.
Thanks for the suggestion. I picked up a Tripp Lite IsoBar IBR-12 off of eBay for under $40 shipped. It was advertised as used but looks new. AC surge suppression with EMI/RFI noise filtering. Outlets are arranged in isolated filter banks to limit noise interaction among connected items. All metal construction.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I picked up a Tripp Lite IsoBar IBR-12 off of eBay for under $40 shipped. It was advertised as used but looks new. AC surge suppression with EMI/RFI noise filtering. Outlets are arranged in isolated filter banks to limit noise interaction among connected items. All metal construction.
Isobars aren't designed for audio and may impede sound quality. I used one many years ago and I quickly replaced it. Recently, I grabbed one of these for my subs: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08QZ8ZXF7?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
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Isobars aren't designed for audio and may impede sound quality.
Why? I have my Sony Digital turner, a digital clock and the two Acopian power supplies plus music server switching power supply plugged into a Isobar and haven't noticed any sonic benefit or degradation.
As a matter of fact, I have never noticed any sonic benefit or degradation, zilch, nadda, from using any filter or distribution device from the Adcom ACE-515 Power Enhancer, to different variations of the Felix filters to the Isobar. But my electronics have never been zapped by electrical surges either so they must be doing something which is the reason I use them in Tucson, AZ, one of the lightning capitals of the world. During non-lightning days the preamp and amp are plugged directly into the wall.
Audiophiles interested in picking up the WAudio W-3900 Power Conditioner mentioned above will be interested in this YouTube disassembly video
WAudio W-3900 Power Conditioner - A Surprisingly Mediocre Thing
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8g6iif (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8g6iif)
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Isobars aren't designed for audio and may impede sound quality. I used one many years ago and I quickly replaced it.
Oh dear, oh dear.
Tripp Lite makes very high quality products.
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Why? I have my Sony Digital turner, a digital clock and the two Acopian power supplies plus music server switching power supply plugged into a Isobar and haven't noticed any sonic benefit or degradation.
As a matter of fact, I have never noticed any sonic benefit or degradation, zilch, nadda, from using any filter or distribution device from the Adcom ACE-515 Power Enhancer, to different variations of the Felix filters to the Isobar. ...
Audiophiles interested in picking up the WAudio W-3900 Power Conditioner mentioned above will be interested in this YouTube disassembly video
WAudio W-3900 Power Conditioner - A Surprisingly Mediocre Thing
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8g6iif (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8g6iif)
I bought the WAudio W-3900 for aesthetics because it sits on my audio rack and I can use a separate power cord. It looks much better than the industrial-style Tripp Lite it replaced. I'm using the "direct" outlets on it for my subs, so the filtering is bypassed. I have it plugged into a Puritan Audio PSM-156 power conditioner. I mentioned the W-3900 because even though it's cheaply made, it may still be a sonic improvement over a $40 Isobar due to its better outlets and power cord options.
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Audiophiles interested in picking up the WAudio W-3900 Power Conditioner mentioned above will be interested in this YouTube disassembly video
WAudio W-3900 Power Conditioner - A Surprisingly Mediocre Thing
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8g6iif (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8g6iif)
I did see that video not long ago. Power conditioning is an area where there are a lot of snake oil salesman.
My local electricity provider doesn't provide very good quality power so all my electronics are plugged into some sort of surge protection. I have a mix of Panamax and Furman (and now TrippLite) proection to prevent a voltage spike from frying my electronics.