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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Owner's Circles => Vapor Audio => Topic started by: Vapor Audio on 24 Feb 2013, 12:22 am
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It's an honor to have our own home here on the website which has been my home for years. This is a great group of people here, and we're excited to be able share what we're working on with you all. And thanks to JohnR for giving us the spot, even though we've had our differences in the past :oops:
We currently have approx 70 happy customers around the World. Those of you who call AC your home as well, please check in and say hi.
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Thanks Ryan :thumb:
Have any of your speakers made it to Australia? (Just curious.)
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Congrats on the circle - and... beautiful speakers! Makes me wish I knew my way around wood :(
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Good to see Vapor Audio here at AC. I heard the Aurora speakers at RMAF 2012 and thought they were fantastic! They are the speakers I want most for my next speaker purchase. I just wish I had room for them now.
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What is the order to delivery time for the different models?
Steve
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Congrats :thumb:
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Congrats, hoping to join in as well this year. Agreed a great place to be.
charles
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Ryan, glad to see an official spot for Vapor!
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Thanks Ryan :thumb:
Have any of your speakers made it to Australia? (Just curious.)
There were a pair of Cirrus in Australia, Melbourne I think. Owner loved them but hit some financial trouble so had to sell, but says he'll be ordering another pair as soon as possible.
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Good to see Vapor Audio here at AC. I heard the Aurora speakers at RMAF 2012 and thought they were fantastic! They are the speakers I want most for my next speaker purchase. I just wish I had room for them now.
Thanks, and glad you enjoyed them! We actually have 3 pair of Aurora ready to ship right now.
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What is the order to delivery time for the different models?
Steve
That's the question on a lot of peoples minds for sure. If you want something quickly, that's what the Breeze and Stiff Breeze are for. In standard finish they can be delivered in 2-3 weeks, 4-6 in custom veneers.
As of right now we're more ahead of the game than we have been since we started. We're close to completely caught up, and have lots of Cirrus, Joule, and Sundog cabinets cut and ready for veneer. We even have stacks of stands cut, sealed, assembled, and ready for paint. We can get Sundogs ready in 2-3 months, Cirrus in 4, and Joule in 6.
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Congratulations on the Vapor Audio Circle! Well deserved.
What is a Sundog? I don't see anything on your website.
Still working on learning crossover design. I am getting some advice and guidance from a gentleman named Ryan Bouma. Just finished the box design in Unibox on my "term paper" project.
Howard
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Cool glad to have you. Your speakers have always looked interesting.
Robert
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Congrats Ryan :thumb:
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Cool glad to have you. Your speakers have always looked interesting.
Robert
Not only do they look interesting, they sound fantastic! I speak from firsthand experience. . . :thumb:
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Not only do they look interesting, they sound fantastic! I speak from firsthand experience. . . :thumb:
Me liketh first hand experience...
Jim
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Congrats Ryan and Vapor Audio, I will be sure to put up pictures of my Cirrus soon. For those who have not heard any of the Vapor lineup they are some of the best speakers I have ever heard. I got a taste with the Breeze in my home which were phenomenal and then quickly placed an order for my beautiful Cirrus. I look forward to seeing more good work from you Ryan.
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Good to see Vapor Audio here at AC. I heard the Aurora speakers at RMAF 2012 and thought they were fantastic! They are the speakers I want most for my next speaker purchase. I just wish I had room for them now.
+1 on the Auroras. An excellent sounding waveguide design. Very impressive. They can fill a room in a way I never imagined from their size. Killer speakers.
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Congratulations on the Vapor Audio Circle! Well deserved.
What is a Sundog? I don't see anything on your website.
Still working on learning crossover design. I am getting some advice and guidance from a gentleman named Ryan Bouma. Just finished the box design in Unibox on my "term paper" project.
Howard
Email me Howard, tell me more about what you're working on. I'll cc Pete in the conversation, who will certainly talk your ear off with ideas.
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+1 on the Auroras. An excellent sounding waveguide design. Very impressive. They can fill a room in a way I never imagined from their size. Killer speakers.
I don't think you've heard them with the new tweeter have you? You really need to hear the new ceramic tweet, night and day difference.
Thanks for the kinds words.
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I don't think you've heard them with the new tweeter have you? You really need to hear the new ceramic tweet, night and day difference.
Thanks for the kinds words.
That's right. I heard the version before the ceramic tweeter. I had heard from Pete that the ceramic tweeter is killer.
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That's right. I heard the version before the ceramic tweeter. I had heard from Pete that the ceramic tweeter is killer.
Yea, big difference ... like somebody lifted off the wet blanket.
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So, your older speaker models sounded like they had a wet blanket over them? Just curious.
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So, your older speaker models sounded like they had a wet blanket over them? Just curious.
I can attest that even with the previous tweeter, the Auroras sounded great.
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So, your older speaker models sounded like they had a wet blanket over them? Just curious.
It wasn't really an offical part of the lineup until I found a tweeter I was happy with. It was a great design in search of the final piece of the puzzle. Finding a dome tweeter that doesn't leave you wanting for a RAAL isn't easy.
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What is the Sundog?
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What is the Sundog?
Think Baby Cirrus. It's clever naming on our part :) Cirrus is a high ice cloud, a Sundog is the rainbow that forms in a Cirrus when the sun hits it at the proper angle. So Sundogs come from Cirrus'. And the Sundog speaker pieces are essentially what's left over after we cut a Cirrus on the CNC, the pieces left from cutting out the inside made a perfect cabinet. Here's a pic of 2 in construction to show size comparison
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76047)
So you have a stacked ply cabinet like the Cirrus, not Finite Element Analysis optimized however. You have an AudioTech 6" woofer as opposed to the 7" in the Cirrus, and the same RAAL tweeter used in both. The Sundog will come in sealed and ported versions, ported being about 30% bigger internal volume. And we have a matching center channel to go along with the Sundog. Also planned is a Sundog White that will used the Accuton C158 6" woofer.
Sundog starts at $2595/pair. That's a lot of quality for the price!
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This might be the sweet spot in your line-up for me. Hope one makes it to Axpona...
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What do you think of a Big Sundog... kinda like Stiff Breeze, for more sensitivity?
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What do you think of a Big Sundog... kinda like Stiff Breeze, for more sensitivity?
We have one, currently it's a center channel but could easily turn the RAAL upright and make it an MTM. It would have to be sealed only, doing it ported would make the cabinet really long. Well, ported my be possible and make it a thin/tall floorstander.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76053)
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Think Baby Cirrus. It's clever naming on our part :) Cirrus is a high ice cloud, a Sundog is the rainbow that forms in a Cirrus when the sun hits it at the proper angle. So Sundogs come from Cirrus'. And the Sundog speaker pieces are essentially what's left over after we cut a Cirrus on the CNC, the pieces left from cutting out the inside made a perfect cabinet. Here's a pic of 2 in construction to show size comparison
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76047)
So you have a stacked ply cabinet like the Cirrus, not Finite Element Analysis optimized however. You have an AudioTech 6" woofer as opposed to the 7" in the Cirrus, and the same RAAL tweeter used in both. The Sundog will come in sealed and ported versions, ported being about 30% bigger internal volume. And we have a matching center channel to go along with the Sundog. Also planned is a Sundog White that will used the Accuton C158 6" woofer.
Sundog starts at $2595/pair. That's a lot of quality for the price!
How GREEN is that??? :thumb:
Sweet....
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Here's a full 5 channel Sundog family shot. I'll start a thread later detailing more about just what the Sundog is.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76054)
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Those must be stunning in real life what a pic.
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Here's a full 5 channel Sundog family shot. I'll start a thread later detailing more about just what the Sundog is.
Please consider discussing there, or elsewhere, the different midrange driver choices as strengths/weaknesses? I am not familiar with these.
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Wow. Looks like Vapor Audio will be turning a lot of heads in the near future. Congrats :thumb:
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That's very cool.
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Huge congratulations Ryan!
I consider the local GAS guys really lucky to have you in our backyard and being so willing to host casual listening sessions. Your passion for this hobby shines through and it looks like you're starting to hit your stride with Vapor. 8)
merrev
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So, I've got to ask, is there plans for a model with something like 3.5" midwoofer(s) and either a narrow, tall ribbon or a small mounting plate dome in the works using the cutoffs from the Sundog? Maybe for desktop/PC speaker use? :icon_twisted: :green:
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Please consider discussing there, or elsewhere, the different midrange driver choices as strengths/weaknesses? I am not familiar with these.
I'm putting together a thread to explain the Sundog and options. In the 5 channel system pictured above, the rears are a Breeze in the Sundog cabinet ... 70-10 RAAL and Wavecor woofer. That's not a 'standard' option, but can be done.
And because everybody love pics, how about another showing another pair of Sundog in red dyed Sapelle under gloss with a black painted baffle, next to the Sundog center channel.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76089)
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So, I've got to ask, is there plans for a model with something like 3.5" midwoofer(s) and either a narrow, tall ribbon or a small mounting plate dome in the works using the cutoffs from the Sundog? Maybe for desktop/PC speaker use? :icon_twisted: :green:
Funny you should ask that question. The stand bases have cutout sections of ultra-refined MDF (Plum Creek) that just happen to be perfect for a small monitor that uses a 4.5" woofer and small flange dome tweeter (CSS LD25X). Maybe as the weather turns nicer the first prototype will finally see daylight. :green:
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Here's a full 5 channel Sundog family shot. I'll start a thread later detailing more about just what the Sundog is.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76054)
Ryan,
I was going to pm you but I'm guessing other would like to know, how much is that center channel? Also how is it tonally to the cirrus?
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Sundog in red dyed Sapelle under gloss with a black painted baffle :o
oh man , they look great , I like it a lot :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: .
What is the price of these ?
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Vapor Audio >
Hi,
Is there any distribution in Europe ? Or can we order directly to you (pm discussion) ?
I don't see any "grid" for most of your speakers but I suppose there are available (?).
Is it possible to have weight and dimensions for the center speaker ?
See you!
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It's all factory direct sales . Vapor can ship world wide.
Cutting out the middle man saves you thousands!
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It's all factory direct sales . Vapor can ship world wide.
Cutting out the middle man saves you thousands!
I'm coming from PSB (S1) and want to move to "smaller" speakers like Stiff Breeze.
As I can not hear Vapor oversea, I'd like to have some feedback about them (yes I read already some reviews).
But PSB S1 are so "high level" speakers (for their price range), I don't want to be disappointed.
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Vapor Audio >
Hi,
Is there any distribution in Europe ? Or can we order directly to you (pm discussion) ?
I don't see any "grid" for most of your speakers but I suppose there are available (?).
Is it possible to have weight and dimensions for the center speaker ?
See you!
Yes, we can ship to Europe and have done so many times. Please do send me a PM and we can discuss your setup.
Also yes, grills are possible on any of our speakers. And we also have a Center Channel available to match the Stiff Breeze. The Sundog Center is about 19" long end to end, 10" deep, and 9" wide and weighs about 35 pounds. The Stiff Breeze center is 20" long, 14" deep, 8" wide and weighs 47 pounds.
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Funny you should ask that question. The stand bases have cutout sections of ultra-refined MDF (Plum Creek) that just happen to be perfect for a small monitor that uses a 4.5" woofer and small flange dome tweeter (CSS LD25X). Maybe as the weather turns nicer the first prototype will finally see daylight. :green:
Are you working on any designs using the LD25X?
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Yes, we can ship to Europe and have done so many times. Please do send me a PM and we can discuss your setup.
Also yes, grills are possible on any of our speakers. And we also have a Center Channel available to match the Stiff Breeze. The Sundog Center is about 19" long end to end, 10" deep, and 9" wide and weighs about 35 pounds. The Stiff Breeze center is 20" long, 14" deep, 8" wide and weighs 47 pounds.
Does the stiff breeze center have the same time aligned front baffle and how does that affect off axis horizontal performance?
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Are you working on any designs using the LD25X?
The LD25X is no longer in production, but we never had plans for a speaker to use it. The LD22 has replaced the LD25. I happen to have a couple of the LD25X but never got around to using them, though I may still make a couple micro monitors as the weather warms.
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Does the stiff breeze center have the same time aligned front baffle and how does that affect off axis horizontal performance?
The Stiff Breeze center is the same as the regular Stiff Breeze with the only change being the tweeter orientation rotating 90 degrees.
Horizontal dispersion with all MTMs is limited by the cancellation caused by the woofers as you move off axis. A 30 degree horizontal window is about all you can expect from a horizontal MTM regardless how well the tweeter disperses its frequencies.
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"Horizontal dispersion with all MTMs is limited by the cancellation caused by the woofers as you move off axis. A 30 degree horizontal window is about all you can expect from a horizontal MTM regardless how well the tweeter disperses its frequencies."
Pete,
Thank you for this information. I have seen several references in various threads talking about using a TM speaker as the center channel. [In each case I assumed the center channel was upright.] Is this used instead of a horizontal to improve dispersal?
Just before hitting the reply button, I had this picture flash into my mind. If one wanted the 4 ohm/higher sensitivity in the center (but wished to avoid the horizontal cabinet), does it make any sense to create a more or less square cabinet which contains 2 midwoofer drivers on the bottom and 2 tweeters above? (Just curious.)
Best...
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"Horizontal dispersion with all MTMs is limited by the cancellation caused by the woofers as you move off axis. A 30 degree horizontal window is about all you can expect from a horizontal MTM regardless how well the tweeter disperses its frequencies."
Pete,
Thank you for this information. I have seen several references in various threads talking about using a TM speaker as the center channel. [In each case I assumed the center channel was upright.] Is this used instead of a horizontal to improve dispersal?
Just before hitting the reply button, I had this picture flash into my mind. If one wanted the 4 ohm/higher sensitivity in the center (but wished to avoid the horizontal cabinet), does it make any sense to create a more or less square cabinet which contains 2 midwoofer drivers on the bottom and 2 tweeters above? (Just curious.)
Best...
A TM with vertical alignment of drivers will have the most uniform off axis response in the horizontal plane. That's why many center channels that have a pair of woofers will also use a small format mid and tweeter in a vertically aligned configuration so that they can push the crossover point down for the two horizontally arranged drivers. But if two woofers are required, it would make more sense from a horizontal dispersion standpoint to put the two woofers right next to each other with the tweeter sitting in between and above the woofers. Two tweeters side by side will make the situation worse due to the short wavelengths involved. But such an enclosure is visually distracting by being more of a chunk instead of the slender look people expect.
The limited horizontal dispersion of a sideways MTM will only be an issue if you sit well outside the mains. If you're sitting in the middle, as on a couch, you shouldn't notice any issues on any of the couch seats.
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