Hyperion 938 Speakers....A Review....

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lonewolfny42

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Hyperion 938 Speakers....A Review....
« on: 26 Jul 2005, 09:06 pm »
Since we have a new circle on AC...we need a product review. I found one.....
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    Review: Hyperion HPS-938  
    Let’s cut to the chase. These are the best pair of speakers I have ever owned or heard in a real world environment. Now for the review.

    1984 – I was 17, and it was the year I caught the audiophile fever. I innocently walked into a high-end store in Beverly Hills, CA not realizing what it was. I saw these tall flat panels with cream-colored cloth grill and wood side trim. I thought to myself, “What kinda decorative furniture is this?” Then the music started to play. Wall to wall sound, alive, engrossing. Wow. These are actually speakers! They were the Maggie IIIs in its third incarnation.

    But the most memorable speakers I’ve ever come across, until recently, were the original Martin Logan CLS and the Apogee Duetta. It was 1985 at the Stereophile show in Santa Monica, CA where I first heard them. They were the most involving and transparent speakers I’ve ever heard until now. The Duettas were set up by the late Jason Bloom, who was the only one IMHO who knew how to set these speakers up properly. I forget who set up the CLS. They took 2nd and 1st place, respectively, as Best Sound of the Show. The sound was as real as it gets, except for the limited macrodynamics and one note CLS bass that was somewhat ameliorated by Vandersteen Subs.

    Over the years, I’ve owned Maggies, Apogees, Mirage M1s, and had various affairs with stats. See a trend here sans M1? I’m a planar guy. I value the best in midrange purity, transparency, coherency, imaging, and staging. But planars always had one major drawback - no chest thumping macrodynamics. In addition, as most of you know, planars are hard to set up. I was never able to set these speakers up properly in my home to their full potential although I enjoyed their sound immensely.

    2004 – I am 37 now, and this is the year I caught the music lover fever. I was at the NY Hifi show in April. I had been out of high-end for the past 8 years because of medical school and all, but thought, “What the hell go and have fun at the show.” Never intended on getting into high-end again. No time and limited funds. Then I walked buy the Hyperion room and saw these attractive piano black speakers that looked like Watt Puppies. Never heard the company before. But the music. I was transfixed. The music just flowed, and I couldn’t get myself to leave the room. There was so much else to see at the show, but I was in the room for over an hour. I finally pried myself from the room to listen to other speakers costing up to $50,000. Well, I found myself back in the Hyperion room again listening to the music. Hell, I wasn’t thinking about the usual audiophile crap like imaging, staging, transparency, frequency extension, etc. They were all there with aplomb, but I was just enjoying the incredible music emerging from these speakers. I returned to the Hyperion room five times during the day.

    Came home. I WANT THESE SPEAKERS! But my room is small, 15 x 11.5 x 8 feet. I don’t have $4k, let alone money for the electronics and cables. Don’t have the time.

    October, 2004 - The Hyperions are in my room. They have been with me for nearly three months. Oh well. Thank the Almighty for credit cards. I’m sure I’ll be cursing myself later.

    I was lucky enough to find very high quality affordable electronics from Tube Audio Design TA-30 integrated tube amp (www.2baudio.com), Shengya S10 tube CD player (www.NYSound.com), silver cables and interconnects from Crystal Clear (www.PKMaudio.com). Additional tweaks include cryoed 6522 tube replacement for the stock tube in the Shengya CDP, Magnetic Floater isolation feet for my CDP, acoustic foam treatment for my room, Signal Cable Magic power cords for the integrated amp and CDP, Walker Audio SST silver treatment, Hal-O tube dampeners, and Herbies CD dampening mat.

    I’ve had this system for almost 3 months now with about 400 hours of burn-in. I feel it’s about 95% burned in because the sound is still improving but at a much slower rate. I finally feel confident enough to give this speaker a fair review. But be aware these speakers will sound grainy and harsh in the beginning not only due to the speakers themselves but also due to the break-in of all the new electronics and cables upstream. It took well over 250 hours before my system started to integrate and sound right.

    I can only come up with superlatives in describing these speakers. Online and magazine reviews of the 938s are finally trickling in, and they are in agreement with my assessment.

    Now for the audiophile stuff:

    High frequency: The horn loaded silk dome tweeter is smooth, dynamic, and crystal clear. Cymbals have that zing and shimmer I hear in live unamplied jazz music. Bells, well, sound like bells. Hand clapping has that initial slap and trailing cuffing sound I hear in real life. Steel string guitars have that initial sharp, steely attack followed by slow decay. It doesn’t have the extra air found Maggie ribbon tweeters, but I always thought the extra air was in some ways artificial.

    Midrange: Oh the beautiful midrange, the stuff that stats are made of. The clarity and transparency of the midrange are on par with the best electrostats out there. Reminds me of the original CLS midrange without the upper midrange glare and brightness. I have heard the new Quad and Innersound electrostats, and they have nothing over the 938s. The bulk of my music is comprised of female vocalists (Norah Jones, Rickie Lee Jones, Eva Cassidy, Natalie Merchant, Sade, etc), and through the 938s these artists come alive in my room. Orchestral strings have that woody resin sound I hear at the Boston Symphony. Sax has that reedy quality I am familiar with – used to play the sax, albeit poorly. Classical guitar, an instrument I still play, has that mellow plucked sound. You get the idea.

    Bass: This region is a little difficult to evaluate because of the 60-80 Hz boom in my room and slight bass fullness in my tube integrated amp. I’m still trying to flatten out the room resonance, but I don’t have the finance to purchase additional room treatment. My tube integrated amp has very tight bass for a tube amp, but not as tight as a good solid-state amp. The upper bass above 80 Hz and lower bass 40-60 Hz is fast and tight. Stand up bass is tuneful and has the requisite body I hear in real life, but in some recordings it can get out of hand due to room resonance. One important bass quality of the 938s is “air” in the bass that allows you can get a sense of the volume of the hall the music was recorded in. I don’t know how to better describe this phenomenon. The Apogee Duettas had this quality. The speakers are rated to 30 Hz, but my small room can support that kind of bass. Reviews online and in audiophile mags indicate the 938s are capable of great slam, speed, and near subterranean extension in the bass provided you have enough juice and preferably a solid state amp. Sadly, I can not comment on this. You can’t expect a 30 watt tube integrated to plumb the depths of Mariana Trenches. But I can say at the NY Hifi show, I heard startling dynamics in the bass.

    Imaging/Staging: The 938s really shine in this area. Properly set up – about 7 to 8 feet apart, slight toe-in, 3-4 feet from the rear wall – these speakers are capable of astonishing holographic imaging and staging on par with the best planars. Actually, the imaging is better in most cases because of 938s point source dispersion. In my room, I can get wall-to-wall, floor-to-ceiling, and front to way beyond the rear wall sound if the recording permits. With bad recordings, the soundstage collapses. The 938s appears to be true to the source, unlike some planars that sound big no matter the recording.

    Transparency: On par with electrostats. Enough said.

    SUMMERY:

    I can go on further deconstructing the sound of the 938s but that’s not the point. The most important sound quality of the 938s, in my opinion, is not its parts but its sum. This speaker has the uncanny ability to integrate the all the sound qualities described above into one coherent whole - music. The speaker just makes utterly enjoyable music, the music that grabbed me and had me coming back for more when I first heard them at the show. Who would have thunk it - a speaker so convincing and captivating that converted a die hard planar guy like me. I can’t afford these speakers even at the real world price of $4k, but I bought them anyway. If I were Bill Gates, I would still buy the 938s over the towering, stratospherically priced $20k+ speakers that I only come alive in a dedicated audio room costing tens of thousands of dollars. Yes, the 938s are that good.

    The Company: Hyperion. Who is that? They’re a new company from China. I was leery about the stability of this new company given how companies come and go in high end. But this company treats its customers like a Lexus dealer. When I received the 938s, I carefully removed the speakers from their elaborately packaged boxes only to find scratches and chips on the fine piano black finished. Shipping damage? Don’t know. But I contacted Albert Wu and James, the East and West coast representatives of the company, respectively. I sent them photographs of the damage and received prompt apologies and replies telling me they will replace the speakers as soon as the new shipment arrives in the US, shipping to my home included. My new pairs should be arriving in November. In addition, Albert sent me a set of their Magnetic Floater dampening feet ($100) for my troubles. They are great isolation devices and reside under my CDP. These guys are professional, cordial, and very interested in customer feedback on their products. A high end manufacturer like Hyperion is rare.

    Note this review has also been posted in AudioAsylum under my AA handle MGH.

    by Dracule1 on 10-27-04  
     
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      This should help others that are not farmilar with the 938. And, here's a photo....[/list:u]
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      R_burke

      Re: Hyperion 938 Speakers....A Review....
      « Reply #1 on: 26 Jul 2005, 09:44 pm »
      Quote from: lonewolfny42
      Since we have a new circle on AC...we need a product review. I found one


      How about your feelings/review on the speakers

      jermmd

      Hyperion 938 Speakers....A Review....
      « Reply #2 on: 26 Jul 2005, 09:46 pm »
      And here's a link to the website.
      I think the website link should be posted on the Circle heading.

      lonewolfny42

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      Re: Hyperion 938 Speakers....A Review....
      « Reply #3 on: 26 Jul 2005, 09:56 pm »
      Quote from: R_burke
      Quote from: lonewolfny42
      Since we have a new circle on AC...we need a product review. I found one


      How about your feelings/review on the speakers
      I have heard them once or twice in NYC at the Stereophile Show....not the greatest for hearing things at their best (a small hotel room). They sounded ok...I don't own a pair. As other's have said , in different posts on the web...."they look like Wilson's".....
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        Hyperion 938 Speakers....A Review....
        « Reply #4 on: 27 Jul 2005, 12:07 am »
        Pretty funny how these posts in the new Circle are from non-Hyperion users posting reviews and links.  

        Would have thought this would come from the Hyperion owners...

         :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

        George

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        « Reply #5 on: 27 Jul 2005, 06:33 am »
        Lonewolfny, thank you for your support.

        Zybar, we Hyperion owners already know how wonderful these speakers are.  We don't  need to advertise their virtues.  I started this circle primarily so Hyperion owners can exchange information among themselves.  Sorry I have been slow in posting.  Unfortunately, I have been stuck in the hospital for long hours and will not have much time until the end of th week.

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        A review
        « Reply #6 on: 26 Apr 2006, 07:39 pm »
        My system: Hyperion 938 speakers, Hyperion BEC-P25 pre amp and dual Hyperion solid state monoblocks.
        Rather than writing a wordy review, let me simply state that this system is amazing, and a great bargain to boot.
        Full dynamic presentation, from bass to midrange to highs. Precise rendering of dynamics, including initial attack. Soundstaging that makes you think you were there.
        Just a marvelous system that delivers superb sound in all dimensions!

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        Impressions of the 938 from an English owner
        « Reply #7 on: 14 May 2006, 03:17 pm »
        I have had a pair of Hyperion 938's for several months now,these replaced apair of ATC20SL's a very accurate English loudspeaker used in recording studios worldwide.Although I rated the ATC's very highly the Hyperion is in another class.The sheer musical involvement,transparency and integration are the finest i have heard in my 40 years of hi-fi involement/love of music.I am not into hi fi "fashion" and have always sought an accurate souund.My love in music is classical owning around 2500 CDs - music is my first love,hi fi helps satisfy thatand no other speaker has satisfied it as well.My amplification,CD and tuner are by a highly regarded English company called AVI.I do not think you will be able to purchase these in America.Recently I read the Hyperion owners web site and a number of owners had commented that they thought the sound improved by placing Sorbothane or similar isolating pads between the top and bass units.Icould understand the logic of this and last week tried it,and it did improve the sound-even more clarity yet smoother in the high frequencies and more inner detail.The best just get better!!!!!!!!!! Kook forward to any replies. Malcolm Smith
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        « Reply #8 on: 18 May 2006, 10:38 pm »
        Welcome aboard Malcolm!  I can understand your enthusiasm, and I'm glad you had such an improvement in the sound with the Isonodes.  AVI electronics?  Hmm... I have not heard of them in the States, but it looks like a great match for the the 938s based on your experience.

        I apologize to all the owners for not being able to post as often as would like because of my current work situation.  But in about a month I will be more free, at which time I will post a review of a new tube amp I have purchased (but not received yet).  It's hand made by a single guy in Canada using his own wound transformer and horizontal TV sweep tubes - interesting eh.  I hope it will be an awesome match for the 938s.  

        Regards to all.

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        New English Review Hi-Fi News July 2006
        « Reply #9 on: 28 May 2006, 05:10 pm »
        I  have just received the July 2006 edition of Hi-Fi News,a week early as I subscribe, it contains one of the best reviews(no criticisms at all) I have ever read and is is of the HYPERION 938s!!! It comes out better than the Wilson5.1 andMartin Logan SL-3! The last sentance of the review says:"More worringly for Wilson and it's sound alikes,the HPS-938 is incredibly musical and effotless,making the best of any music it is asked to play,whilst astounding transparency tells you the result of every modification made to your system and its set-up." The Hi-Fi News Verdict says:"With the exception of the Emotive Excellence system(£70,000) this was undoubtedly the best speaker system I,ve had in the listening room.If you are even contemplating a speaker between £3000 and £20,000 now this is a must audition.Needless to say this speaker attracts my strogest recommendation." The reviewer David  Allcock now uses them not surprisingly in his system.  To read the full review purchase the July2006 Hi-Fi News when available in America or wherever you won't regret it. I guess to those of us who own the 938's it is just even more confirmation of what our ears know!

        Dracule1

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        « Reply #10 on: 1 Jun 2006, 12:38 am »
        Thanks Malcolm for the update.  To say the only speakers that can top the 938s in this reviewers experience are ~$130,000 speakers is quite a complement. :mrgreen:   I look forward to seeing the review.

        H_S_D

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        Hyperion 938 Speakers....A Review....
        « Reply #11 on: 6 Jun 2006, 04:07 pm »
        Dear Hyperion friends,

        We have a customer feedback page on our website.  Please let us know any comments you have.  Hyperion very much relies on customer's referrals.  Please tell us what you think.  Thank you.  

        Btw, in our honest opinion, HPS-938 is better than any speaker under 20K even 40K.  Please wait and see the impact from HPS-968!  We have outshined many big names from friends and reviewers visited us at HE 2006.

        H_S_D

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        Hyperion 938 Speakers....A Review....
        « Reply #12 on: 8 Jun 2006, 04:36 am »
        I've been following this forum on Hyperion 938 for a long time.
        Finally I am now a proud owner of these awesome speakers.
        Thank you for your many suggestions and information.

        Edmund

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        « Reply #13 on: 8 Jun 2006, 09:48 pm »
        Hi Edmund,

        I'm happy we were able to guide you in your decision.  We would appreciate your input in the future.  Enjoy!

        malcolmsmith

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        Hi-Fi News Review Hyperion 938
        « Reply #14 on: 18 Jun 2006, 12:18 pm »
        If you wish to read the superb review just published in the July edition of Hi-Fi News it is on the U.K. importers web site under Hyperion "Review 1".You will find this at www.realhi-fi.com  Well worth the read,as I mentioned previously the reviewer now owns a pair of 938s.

        Dracule1

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        « Reply #15 on: 20 Jun 2006, 08:37 am »
        :lol: The review in HiFi News is almost exactly like mine that I wrote in '04.  His comparison of the 938s transparency to the Martin Logan electrostat, starting dynamics, crystal clear highs, uncanny realistic imaging and overall superb musicality are just as I described in my orginal review.  Seems like the reviewer read my review before writing his?  All teasing aside, an excellent review.

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        Hyperion 938 Speakers....A Review....
        « Reply #16 on: 20 Jun 2006, 11:24 am »
        Too bad they didn't compare the 938 to a current speaker.  In the case with Martin Logan, the Vantage or Summit is quite a different speaker than the  SL-3.  

        This is not to deprecate the 938.  I am sure it's a top notch speaker and has certainly recieved a lot of accolades.   I just wish they would have compared it with a current model for a more apples to apples comparison.

        malcolmsmith

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        « Reply #17 on: 20 Jun 2006, 05:49 pm »
        Are you not being a bit "picky"?Are the Wilson speakers not current,and what about all the American reviews where current as well as classics from the past are compared? In England the Quad Electrostatic 57s from the 1950s are still used as a referance to judge the latest top speakers against.

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        Re: Hyperion 938 Speakers....A Review....
        « Reply #18 on: 26 Jun 2006, 03:57 am »
        Rnhood,

        I had a chance to listen to the Vantage (not the Summit) which is similarly priced to the 938s.  The Vantage is better than the older hybrids in terms of better dynamics and bass control.  However, I don't think the new model has significantly improved upon the midrange which was excellent to begin with.  So midrange of the 938s with that of Martin Logans is comparable.  I still feel that 938s have better dynamics, more extended bass, and slightly more extended highs than the Vantage.  I looked into the Martin Logans before I bought the 938s.  The original Martin Logan CLS (not the subsequent iterations) - although flawed in many ways - is still one of my all time favorite speaker and is better than any other Martin Logan I have heard.