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Other Stuff => Archived Manufacturer Circles => P.I. audio group => Topic started by: jhm731 on 30 Apr 2015, 07:35 pm
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UberBuss owners, what did you compare it to and what if anything did it replace?
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I had Furman Elite 15 with source components all plugged into it with mono blocks plugged into wall.
I added Uber, plugged Furman into it, plugged amps into Uber. Totally lowered noise floor to the point I can stick my ear right to
the tweeter and it is dead silent. No loss in dynamics with amps plugged into Uber.
Couldn't be happier.
Don P.
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I didnt compare my UberBUSS to any other power conditioner. I just dove right in. There was a huge improvement for me. I went from hearing a hissing in the background to an inky black silence with the UberBUSS.
The UberBUSS at half the price of 'similar' brick& mortar store conditioners was an easy choice for me. I highly recommend it.
Michael
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My Uber's knocked the Audio Magic conditioners to the curb. The AM did some stuff very well but collapsed the music. I found that the Uber lowered the noise floor but didn't muck up the music. :thumb:
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The majority of power conditioners on the market either give you something like one of these two for the price of an Uber, neither of which is very effective. There are only a select few that I think have any shot of outperforming an Uber, and you can expect to pay A LOT more money for them. The latest Audience AR6-TSSD for example I think is something like $6K.
Yes the cases of many of them really are that empty, and the markup, yikes.
(http://www.hifishock.org/galleries/cable-accessories/ac-power-distributor-and-filter/shunyata-research/hydra-alpha-model-6-1-shunyata-research.jpg)
(http://www.audio-creative.nl/wp-content/uploads/Aquarius-binnenkant.jpg)
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The majority of power conditioners on the market either give you something like one of these two for the price of an Uber, neither of which is very effective. There are only a select few that I think have any shot of outperforming an Uber, and you can expect to pay A LOT more money for them. The latest Audience AR6-TSSD for example I think is something like $6K.
Yes the cases of many of them really are that empty, and the markup, yikes.
Dave,
Great find with the 'Hifi Shock' website. You are right, much of the high end power conditioners are modified "Felix" type filters in extremely nice enclosures.
So far, I'm sticking with my Uber.
Best,
Anand.
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I had a tricked out BPT CPC with transformer. No comparison at all with the Uber.
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Mahalo for all the feedback.
DaveBSC,
That's an old picture of the Shunyata, here's the inside of the new TRITON v2:
(http://www.whatsbestforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19674&d=1428017094)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=120122)
And yes, the Audience aR6-TSS with a Au24SE PC is one of the products I'm looking at.
(http://dagogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/aR6_angle.jpg)
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There are power conditioners, then there is the UberBUSS. I have tried most of them, and this one works very damn good without any detriment. I actually have increased dynamics using the UberBUSS in my system. There is nothing like it.
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Previously used a Furman Elite 15, Bybee Wire Pure Power V2 and Running Spring Audio Dmitri... Have had an special PI/TWL Uber (w/ TWL internal wire), made to benefit Gary Dodd. I now use it in conjunction with a Furman SPR 20i for voltage regulation and the combo is very very good.
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Mahalo for all the feedback.
DaveBSC,
That's an old picture of the Shunyata, here's the inside of the new TRITON v2:
So I see, it appears that Shunyata has discontinued all of their lower cost stuff. The Triton V2 by the way is $7,000. Not exactly in the same price class as the Uber. If you add the second Typhon box, the two together are $13,000. That's getting a bit silly for power conditioning, unless the rest of your system is $100K+.
The Audience AR Teflon units are VERY good, but they are also very expensive. The regular Auricap versions I don't think are that spectacular.
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So I see, it appears that Shunyata has discontinued all of their lower cost stuff. The Triton V2 by the way is $7,000. Not exactly in the same price class as the Uber. If you add the second Typhon box, the two together are $13,000. That's getting a bit silly for power conditioning, unless the rest of your system is $100K+.
The Audience AR Teflon units are VERY good, but they are also very expensive. The regular Auricap versions I don't think are that spectacular.
Yes, the Shunyaya and Audience PLCs cost alot more than the Uber, but I have a chance to pick up a Triton V1(don't need the Typhon) or a aR6TSS at a good price.
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What is the Shunyata coffee can of stuff supposed to do?
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What is the Shunyata coffee can of stuff supposed to do?
i was wondering the same thing. Maybe a neutrino sink? :lol:
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My Uber's knocked the Audio Magic conditioners to the curb. The AM did some stuff very well but collapsed the music. I found that the Uber lowered the noise floor but didn't muck up the music. :thumb:
Hey Jason, just to counter that to make sure that everyone realizes your instance is not everyone's experience with AM gear. No limitations whatsoever, in fact, mine really opens up the sound and reduces noise. Dave always busts my chops for being one of the customers who returned a unit to him. But we still love each other! Dave makes a really good product as others have stated for less than stratospheric prices.
Hope to see you guys this fall.
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Hey Jason, just to counter that to make sure that everyone realizes your instance is not everyone's experience with AM gear. No limitations whatsoever, in fact, mine really opens up the sound and reduces noise. Dave always busts my chops for being one of the customers who returned a unit to him. But we still love each other! Dave makes a really good product as others have stated for less than stratospheric prices.
Hope to see you guys this fall.
Yes, of course, that is MY experience. Nothing I say in this hobby would I ever expect anyone to believe nor would I expect them to have the same result. However, I can say objectively that the Uber is doing what it's supposed to do. :D
Audio Magic (Jerry) is the coolest masseuse I know though. ;)
Hope to be at RMAF15.
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I didnt compare my UberBUSS to any other power conditioner. I just dove right in. There was a huge improvement for me. I went from hearing a hissing in the background to an inky black silence with the UberBUSS.
The UberBUSS at half the price of 'similar' brick& mortar store conditioners was an easy choice for me. I highly recommend it.
Michael
Michael,
What do you have plugged into the Uberbuss?
It's not clear from other posters whether the benefit is on the front end, amps, or both.
Thanks,
AC
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Howdy, Achipo.
Let's see...my amp, preamp, TT, SqueezeBox Touch, and my DAC are all plugged into my UberBUSS. The UberBUSS is plugged into an upgraded duplex receptacle.
I've had this for more than a year now, I guess. I'll get a MiniBUSS for my stay in Taiwan later this year. [Hi, Dave. I know you're reading this.]
Michael
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Once again, Mahalo for all the feedback.
Since my AC line voltage has been run low, I've decided to try a PS Audio P5.
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Replaced a RSA Jaco and came very close to a Bybee Stealth. Given the value proposition I went with the Uber over the Stealth.
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Thanks for the replies, gentlemen. I wanted to stay out of it and let the end user determine the direction of the thread.
One thing that stuck out at me in this thread and in my past history:The UberBUSS is probably one of the very, very few that enhances dynamics - both micro and macro - with incredibly low coloration. It is impossible to design a zero coloration device... everything has a sound. Without the dynamic contrasts that convey the "feel" of the music we are left with Muzak.
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What is the Shunyata coffee can of stuff supposed to do?
They are short lengths of Jeffries Tubes from the starship Enterprise :) . I think they used to call their mix Stardust. Looks like a copper core surrounding and interspersed with some piezoelectric mix of materials. We used to have a couple of 55gal drums in the Philips Fab here in Albuquerque for wafers with blown processes. These were sold to other companies to grind for down market applications like photovoltaic cells and RFI suppression module manufacture. Old technology still works. The wafers that were the most valuable were the ones wasted after implant. They had high percentages of semiconducting materials imbedded and were quite reactive. Even lubricating graphite is a semiconductor at the right frequency.
Recipes for piezo based RFI absorbers are determined by the frequency range and the Q of conduction. Silicon carbide, tourmaline, quartz, carbon fiber millings, graphite, antimony, ferric and ferrous oxides - all are players along with other materials. When constructing an RF absorber it is good to balance the N-type and the P-type materials to provide the broadest band performance. Every time one of those particles turns on or off there is energy absorbed. Even so, these types of absorbers are not particularly effective at low (audio) frequencies.
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Anybody hear of the Jena Labs Sequoia power conditioner for $14,000?
Has P.I. audio group started the Audible Difference power conditioner?
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Anybody hear of the Jena Labs Sequoia power conditioner for $14,000?
Has P.I. audio group started the Audible Difference power conditioner?
Yes we have. You will see the Audible Difference this year at RMAF.
The Sequoia? Seen it, haven't heard one.
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Anybody hear of the Jena Labs Sequoia power conditioner for $14,000?
Has P.I. audio group started the Audible Difference power conditioner?
SMc Audio just top them with their new $16K HI Fi One AC Nexus Reference Power Enhancer:
- Cost no-object engineering, component selection, and execution
Designed for use in the worlds finest systems. Effectively enhances power delivery and ground quality without the negative effects of poor quality components and the current limiting of coils and transformers
• Proprietary enhanced grounding configuration with ultra-hi-purity copper bus and Cardas unplated copper grounding posts.
• Duelund silver capacitors and silver wire, with ultra-pure copper wiring throughout
• Bocchino Mariner 10 IEC connector for maximum power transfer and unlimited current capability
• Stillpoints vibration technology throughout, including Ultra SS isolator feet and standoffs
• Furutech GTX AC receptacles, back plate and carbon fiber cover plates
• Rigid, inert, unibody construction forms an ideal housing
• Passive operation, unrivaled transparency and neutrality withincredible dynamic expression
• Allows your equipment to finally achieve its full sonic potential and delivers a richness of musical information not previously attainable
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sNLGTBq-W7U/VWO16Soxb0I/AAAAAAAA8ls/JCiezlDkEnQ/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-05-26%2Bat%2B01.50.41.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YgppsZzWsyU/VWO2E1wDO7I/AAAAAAAA8l0/sY01f--LPHU/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-05-26%2Bat%2B01.50.48.png)
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SMc Audio just top them with their new $16K HI Fi One AC Nexus Reference Power Enhancer:
- Cost no-object engineering, component selection, and execution
Designed for use in the worlds finest systems. Effectively enhances power delivery and ground quality without the negative effects of poor quality components and the current limiting of coils and transformers
• Proprietary enhanced grounding configuration with ultra-hi-purity copper bus and Cardas unplated copper grounding posts.
• Duelund silver capacitors and silver wire, with ultra-pure copper wiring throughout
• Bocchino Mariner 10 IEC connector for maximum power transfer and unlimited current capability
• Stillpoints vibration technology throughout, including Ultra SS isolator feet and standoffs
• Furutech GTX AC receptacles, back plate and carbon fiber cover plates
• Rigid, inert, unibody construction forms an ideal housing
• Passive operation, unrivaled transparency and neutrality withincredible dynamic expression
• Allows your equipment to finally achieve its full sonic potential and delivers a richness of musical information not previously attainable
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sNLGTBq-W7U/VWO16Soxb0I/AAAAAAAA8ls/JCiezlDkEnQ/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-05-26%2Bat%2B01.50.41.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YgppsZzWsyU/VWO2E1wDO7I/AAAAAAAA8l0/sY01f--LPHU/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-05-26%2Bat%2B01.50.48.png)
Sure is pretty. FWIW the Furutech GTX (G) is the best I have ever heard... or, is that "never heard"?
The carbon fiber is very cool looking, too. Nothing says YOWZA! like CF.
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Uberbuss verses?
Uberbuss Chapter 4, verse 7: "Thou shalt not let any noise back in through thy music signal lest ye be stuck down"
Uberbuss Chapter 5, verses 8-9: "And he walked through the valley of frequency nulls but was not appalled, as his sound was heavenly and free of artifacts"
Oh..wait, maybe he meant to type "Uberbuss Versus"
I love my Uberbuss. Have had it for many years and have all my source/front-end stuff go through it. Wouldn't be without. :thumb:
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Sure is pretty. FWIW the Furutech GTX (G) is the best I have ever heard... or, is that "never heard"?
The carbon fiber is very cool looking, too. Nothing says YOWZA! like CF.
or a $16k price tag!!!!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Y79KN5FBgUE/VUPkDhSp4-I/AAAAAAAAAk4/NJ5ARlur16o/s1600/4507231c-dd0b-467b-820d-990e87e2ce73.jpg)
George
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or a $16k price tag!!!!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Y79KN5FBgUE/VUPkDhSp4-I/AAAAAAAAAk4/NJ5ARlur16o/s1600/4507231c-dd0b-467b-820d-990e87e2ce73.jpg)
George
Yeah, huh.
Like I said: Sure is pretty.
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Uberbuss verses?
Uberbuss Chapter 4, verse 7: "Thou shalt not let any noise back in through thy music signal lest ye be stuck down"
Uberbuss Chapter 5, verses 8-9: "And he walked through the valley of frequency nulls but was not appalled, as his sound was heavenly and free of artifacts"
Oh..wait, maybe he meant to type "Uberbuss Versus"
I love my Uberbuss. Have had it for many years and have all my source/front-end stuff go through it. Wouldn't be without. :thumb:
Thanks, Ted . I do appreciate it. I have one for you:
UberBUSS Chapter 7, vs 7 ; "Count not the exterior of one as true beauty, but the heart that brings you the gift of song."
That was fun. :thumb:
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Thanks, Ted . I do appreciate it. I have one for you:
UberBUSS Chapter 7, vs 7 ; "Count not the exterior of one as true beauty, but the heart that brings you the gift of song."
That was fun. :thumb:
I would love to see a picture of the UberBUSS's heart.
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I would love to see a picture of the UberBUSS's heart.
I'm sure you would. That is why it is proprietary. I worked a long time and spent lots of $$$ figuring out where I wanted it to go > to the root of the noise. Kind of like the WD-40 recipe. A trade secret.
There will be gut shots of the Audible Difference when it is released.
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Sure is pretty. FWIW the Furutech GTX (G) is the best I have ever heard... or, is that "never heard"?
The carbon fiber is very cool looking, too. Nothing says YOWZA! like CF.
Build something that works and we can afford $1500-2000 max. $500.00 would be ever better.
I'm not about to drop multi thousand dollars on a power conditioner. I'd rather put the money in the better preamp or amp.
Even a bi-amp crossover. Power conditioners should cost $500.00 or put your money. I ain't about to put 1000$ dollars in to
a power conditioner. I'd rather put money into better source equipme
I understand the benefit of power conditioning, I'd just rather put my money into better equipment If power conditioning was only #500.00 bucks Id not it.
Not all of us are rich.
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I ain't about to put 1000$ dollars in to
a power conditioner. I'd rather put money into better source equipme
I understand the benefit of power conditioning, I'd just rather put my money into better equipment If power conditioning was only #500.00 bucks Id not it.
Not all of us are rich.
I used to believe that, as well, until I tried it. Based on my meager budget, I spent as much on gear as I was gonna do, but I knew my components could sound better, and that's why I invested in the Uber (which cost far more than what I wanted to spend). It was one of the best audio investments I ever made, and certainly more significant than the majority of gear upgrades I've made. Worth every penny.
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Hi Dave,
Can you supply UberBUSS (or MajikBUSS may be enough) for export at 230V with European receptacles?
Yitzhak
P.S. How's your health these days?
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I'm sure you would. That is why it is proprietary. I worked a long time and spent lots of $$$ figuring out where I wanted it to go > to the root of the noise. Kind of like the WD-40 recipe. A trade secret.
There will be gut shots of the Audible Difference when it is released.
So, you don't want to show the insides of the basic UberBUSS, but you'll show inside pictures of the more expensive Audible Difference.
:rotflmao:
PS- None of the posts I've read in this thread have convinced me that the UberBUSS is better than the other PLCs I've tried, if you think I'm wrong, I'll pay for shipping and give you my credit card for security to try one.
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Uberbuss have 30 DAY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE, :D
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So, you don't want to show the insides of the basic UberBUSS, but you'll show inside pictures of the more expensive Audible Difference.
:rotflmao:
PS- None of the posts I've read in this thread have convinced me that the UberBUSS is better than the other PLCs I've tried, if you think I'm wrong, I'll pay for shipping and give you my credit card for security to try one.
I'd also love to try an über in my system and see they offer a 30 day money back guarantee. I just sold my BPT ultra 10.5 and am using just a belkin unit now with anticipation of trying something new. I don't hear much of a difference but do have some noise issues id like to see if the uber can remedy.
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So, you don't want to show the insides of the basic UberBUSS, but you'll show inside pictures of the more expensive Audible Difference.
:rotflmao:
PS- None of the posts I've read in this thread have convinced me that the UberBUSS is better than the other PLCs I've tried, if you think I'm wrong, I'll pay for shipping and give you my credit card for security to try one.
jhm731,
I think trying it in your system is the best approach.
I have owned power conditioners from BPT, Running Springs Audio, Furman, PS Audio, Synergistic Research, Audience, and a few others I can't remember off the top of my head. Cost ranged from a few hundred dollars to over $10k.
Most of them were excellent products and depending on my system configuration, certainly helped.
With my current system configuration, I find the combination of the UberBuss + a Furman IT-REFERENCE 20i produces the best results.
Not sure that will convince you to give the Uber a try...but it is another data point.
George
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What's the Audible Difference?
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The UberBuss was a great improvement for me in my system , thanks again Dave .
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What's the Audible Difference?
Yeah, I want to know, too.
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On the internet there are many many comments or reviews by owners that for the price the UberBUSS is the one to buy. For some products it may get great reviews but the reviews are very few. The Audible Difference will be expensive. Better than the UberBUSS? Looking forward to the Audible Difference.
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Hi Dave,
Can you supply UberBUSS (or MajikBUSS may be enough) for export at 230V with European receptacles?
Yitzhak
P.S. How's your health these days?
Hi, Yitzhak. I do indeed have a 250VAC version. I will PM you.
My health? It's complicated, but I am mostly good. Thanks for asking. :D
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If you don't want to spend more than $500, get a Minibuss. What the competition offers for less than $500 is embarrassing. Basically you get what amounts to a TrippLite in a fancy case, and that sort of stuff absolutely destroys musicality and dynamics. Literally worse than nothing. If you want to pay an extra $400 for the case...
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/detail-page2/tripplite_isoultra_parts2.jpg)
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If you don't want to spend more than $500, get a Minibuss. What the competition offers for less than $500 is embarrassing. Basically you get what amounts to a TrippLite in a fancy case, and that sort of stuff absolutely destroys musicality and dynamics. Literally worse than nothing. If you want to pay an extra $400 for the case...
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/detail-page2/tripplite_isoultra_parts2.jpg)
The irony is that some of those parts are good, others are bad, FOR SOUND.
A big expense for power conditioning is the enclosure, connectors, and assembly. Maybe not as big as some of the tags out there...
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Bottom line - the UberBUSSes are killer... I have two in my personal systems... and I wouldn't be caught without one in the numerous Audio shows I've participated in... Yeah, they're that good!
My $0.02,
Pete
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I have a UberBuss and a MiniBuss; also use a Balanced Power Technology unit (and have an Equitech which isn't in service as I need to replace the receptacle that has the GFI). Bottom line, despite the Buss units being significantly less expensive, there is no way I'd live without them now (and I can and do forego the BPT and Equitech at times). Dave's prices are remarkably sane in the context of our hobby, truly deliver, plus Dave is one of the nicest guys I e dealt with in audio.
Even though we've never met I person, I consider Dave (and Gayle by extension) true friends and his wise counsel and caring have been immense help to me over the past few years in dealing with completely non-audio personal issues.
OK, I'll stop 'gushing' now but couldn't help myself from sharing my insight/opinion about the man and his products.
Randy
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What's the Audible Difference?
The Audible Difference is a joint effort between Triode Pete and me. It will be a completely modular, total approach to power conditioning that addresses every aspect of power treatment appropriate for audio/video usage... worldwide - without modification. New, dedicated Triode Wire Labs cable, of course.
BIG performance, but pricey. You can't build a cheap blivet.
Formal introduction is slated for RMAF. See you there 8)
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Try it for yourself . If you live in the NYC , Jersey, Conn area A home demo can be had from Rollo. TWL products as well. Yes I use two for my personal system fed by TWL 7plus PC.
charles
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I love designers who are value conscientious What's original about throwing money at a design or product. How much experience does it take to write a check. I hear components that are finer than mine for one reason or another but it's the end game that matters most around here and mine starts with an UberBUSS. The presentaion of music in my listening room is quiet, open and alive sounding.
I'm going over to a boy's house in a minute whose has somewhere around 500k in his system. If I can remember I'll ask him what conditioner he is using and how he arrived at that particular one. If I can get up the nerve, I'll ask him if I can demo mine in his system and see what the both of us think. Bye for now. Keep up the good work, Dave.
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I love designers who are value conscientious What's original about throwing money at a design or product. How much experience does it take to write a check. I hear components that are finer than mine for one reason or another but it's the end game that matters most around here and mine starts with an UberBUSS. The presentaion of music in my listening room is quiet, open and alive sounding.
I'm going over to a boy's house in a minute whose has somewhere around 500k in his system. If I can remember I'll ask him what conditioner he is using and how he arrived at that particular one. If I can get up the nerve, I'll ask him if I can demo mine in his system and see what the both of us think. Bye for now. Keep up the good work, Dave.
Have you watched this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITkuBgFtTjs
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Have you watched this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITkuBgFtTjs
Interesting, I'm curious how this will turn out. All due respect to Furman, but most of their stuff at least below the IT Reference models still sounds pretty much like Panamax and most of the other guys - not great. Also, I don't know anybody who uses Audioquest power cords, or designs their cords the way AQ does. I wonder if this guy will redesign those as well.
(http://f.tqn.com/y/hometheater/1/S/l/6/1/furman15insiderear750.jpg)
(http://www.elusivedisc.com/images/aq-pcnrg10inset.jpg)
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Have you watched this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITkuBgFtTjs
Yep, I did. Lived most of it, too. 8)
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:wave: Hi Dave!
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Yep, I did. Lived most of it, too. 8)
The only interesting thing he mentioned was that you need a $50k machine to make capacitors be burned in nearly instantly. Sure, that's freaking awesome. His example of ground noise is so freaking stupid, even though he's correct that you essentially can't just ground RFI by being connected to ground because the frequency is much too high for a direct wire. Ironically the bigger the antenna the better the reception, mostly.
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The only interesting thing he mentioned was that you need a $50k machine to make capacitors be burned in nearly instantly. Sure, that's freaking awesome. His example of ground noise is so freaking stupid, even though he's correct that you essentially can't just ground RFI by being connected to ground because the frequency is much too high for a direct wire. Ironically the bigger the antenna the better the reception, mostly.
Please refrain from using terms like stupid when referring to other's products on this forum. Diplomacy rules here.
Remember: No body builds perfect gear.
Thanks for your cooperation.
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The only interesting thing he mentioned was that you need a $50k machine to make capacitors be burned in nearly instantly. Sure, that's freaking awesome. His example of ground noise is so freaking stupid, even though he's correct that you essentially can't just ground RFI by being connected to ground because the frequency is much too high for a direct wire. Ironically the bigger the antenna the better the reception, mostly.
Seldom do 'Salis' and I share a viewpoint, but this is one of the times that we do. In his post a better word choice might be fantasy and it would apply to most of the video.
Off-topic:
Why do almost all videos about hi-fi have such poor audio quality? Don't they recognize bad sound when they hear it?
On another note:
You can't demonstrate equipment quality on a youtube.
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I think they understood the value was in talking.
I wonder what they charge for cap break in... Maybe I'll inquire on that!
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Salis & Speedskater
Don't get me wrong. P.I. stands for "politically incorrect" here, but there are just some words that a few will take as a gauntlet thrown and all hell will break loose. Don't need that even though it 'might be' fun. :lol: Catch all phrases and words tend to catch trolls like a muskie hitting on a good lure.
You guys have no idea how hard it was for me to sit through 53:59 of that, but I did it twice. Really. Twice. First time I did it while I was working at the bench. I listened a second time because I got tired of constantly turning around to replay something he just said. I prefer to think of it as marketing mumbo jumbo and overly optimistic in permuting the laws of physics.
SS Said:
Why do almost all videos about hi-fi have such poor audio quality?
I dunno.
Don't they recognize bad sound when they hear it?
Must not is all I can say. :scratch:
On another note:
You can't demonstrate equipment quality on a youtube.
Word! and every other affirmative out there.
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i bought the Uberbuss recently,i want to say it's really great product.but if you want to know how good is Uberbuss,just order. :D
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I'm glad everyone enjoyed the video.
Just got a new free AC power upgrade:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123236)
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I'm glad everyone enjoyed the video.
Just got a new free AC power upgrade:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123236)
I'm never supposed, but constantly amazed at audio shows and the audio jargoneze...
Cool old piece. We have some good surplus sources here in New Mexico. We have a couple in ABQ, but this one takes the cake, especially if you are looking for nuclear trigger wiring harnesses or other "I wonder what... ?"
When I has a kid Sandia Labs Salvage was a great source for me. I used to buy JBL 375 HF drivers with blown voice coils for $5.00 ea. A lot of local Pas here had 375's in their FOH stacks.
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I'm never supposed, but constantly mazed at audio shows and the audio jargoneze...
Cool old piece. We have some good surplus sources here in New Mexico. We have a couple in ABQ, but this one takes the cake, especially if you are looking for nuclear trigger wiring harnesses or other "I wonder what... ?"
When I has a kid Sandia Labs Salvage was a great source for me. I used to buy JBL 375 HF drivers with blown voice coils for $5.00 ea. A lot of local Pas here had 375's in their FOH stacks.
It's a brand new transformer that Maui Electric installed last week to replace the 30 year unit that had been serving our block.
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It's a brand new transformer that Maui Electric installed last week to replace the 30 year unit that had been serving our block.
Ahhhh..so. I looked at the connectors, not the case. My bad. Dirt just makes things look old somehow.
Question, perhaps for another topic about local power generation and distribution. What is the power like in Hawaii? I'm curious about AC quality and quantity as well as how it is produced. I would assume it to be primarily fossil fuels with a considerable renewable energy input. From what I take it geothermal would be very difficult there even though it seems to be an obvious choice to the layman.
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Ahhhh..so. I looked at the connectors, not the case. My bad. Dirt just makes things look old somehow.
Question, perhaps for another topic about local power generation and distribution. What is the power like in Hawaii? I'm curious about AC quality and quantity as well as how it is produced. I would assume it to be primarily fossil fuels with a considerable renewable energy input. From what I take it geothermal would be very difficult there even though it seems to be an obvious choice to the layman.
See:
http://www.hawaiianelectric.com/heco/Clean-Energy/Latest-Clean-Energy-News/About-Our-Fuel-Mix
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See:
http://www.hawaiianelectric.com/heco/Clean-Energy/Latest-Clean-Energy-News/About-Our-Fuel-Mix
Thanks. I'll use my imagination for the quality.
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Thanks. I'll use my imagination for the quality.
I've tried lots of different power conditioners and none of them made much of an improvement, so I guess the quality in my area must be pretty good. My 200 amp sevice is about 75 feet from the transformer.
I did hear a nice improvement when I upgraded the dedicated 20 amp outlets in my listening room to Furutech GTX-Ds.
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I've tried lots of different power conditioners and none of them made much of an improvement, so I guess the quality in my area must be pretty good. My 200 amp sevice is about 75 feet from the transformer.
I did hear a nice improvement when I upgraded the dedicated 20 amp outlets in my listening room to Furutech GTX-Ds.
Yup, the GTX-D receptacles are special.
Since you appear to have underground utilities consider yourself blessed in the transmission dept. About 90% of the grid here is above ground with about 2 gazillion watts of RFI here with all of the repeaters, antennae on Sandia Crest, Sandia National Labs here, cell towers, etc.
You just need to try the right conditioner :)
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Hey Dave, can the standard receptacles in the Uber be replaced by some Furutechs without too much hassle or is it something you would have to do?
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Hey Dave, can the standard receptacles in the Uber be replaced by some Furutechs without too much hassle or is it something you would have to do?
Not a big issue to change receptacles in the BUSSes as long as you use reasonable care in dealing with it like you would any other high energy AC device. There are bleeder and safety resistors throughout the enclosure. They will bleed the PFC network relatively quickly. However, to avoid any potential for a shock do this:
Unplug the BUSS and let it sit unenergized for 10 minutes!
Other than that is just a straight swap of the wiring and the Final Filters on each receptacle. some may look different from each other depending upon specific application. Just remember which receptacle space had what Final Filter and you are good to go.
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Bleeder on an AC system?
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Build something that works and we can afford $1500-2000 max. $500.00 would be ever better.
I'm not about to drop multi thousand dollars on a power conditioner. I'd rather put the money in the better preamp or amp.
Even a bi-amp crossover. Power conditioners should cost $500.00 or put your money. I ain't about to put 1000$ dollars in to
a power conditioner. I'd rather put money into better source equipme
I understand the benefit of power conditioning, I'd just rather put my money into better equipment If power conditioning was only #500.00 bucks Id not it.
Not all of us are rich.
For $500.00 plus change, you can buy a Furman Power Factor 1500. These were originally made to improve the sound of guitar amplifiers. I have one, and it works very well, especially on tubed equipment. Also well on solid state amplifiers. I use it in my smaller system on a Triode amp.
I use an Uberbuss in my high end system. I plug a Synergistic Powercell 10SE into it, and use this combination mainly for source components. I have considered getting another Uberbuss just for the amplifiers. I prefer the Uberbus alone for amplifiers, without the Powercell, but for source components the Powercell 10SE allows more background detail and a more complete soundstage.
Both the Furman and the Uberbuss give better weight to the music and sounds. The Uberbuss by comparison is a little cleaner sounding. Some may call it a purer sound or less colored.
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Bleeder on an AC system?
Yep, it becomes a DC system as soon as it is unplugged.
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So it had about 8 milliseconds to become a DC system and it takes 10 minutes to discharge?
And yes, capacitors in high voltage DC supplies are deadly, even long after the equipment has been turned off.
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So it had about 8 milliseconds to become a DC system and it takes 10 minutes to discharge?
And yes, capacitors in high voltage DC supplies are deadly, even long after the equipment has been turned off.
Nope. It discharges in seconds. This is, however, an imperfect world. Telling someone to wait 10 minutes is only reasonable. They can get a cup of coffee a coke or or whatever before opening the BUSS up.
I watched a semiconductor co-worker get hit with very low current at ~ 100kV from a capacitor bank that failed to discharge due to a bad resistor. Ain't pretty.
Even people that should know better get bit... :scratch:
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Not a big issue to change receptacles in the BUSSes as long as you use reasonable care in dealing with it like you would any other high energy AC device. There are bleeder and safety resistors throughout the enclosure. They will bleed the PFC network relatively quickly. However, to avoid any potential for a shock do this:
Unplug the BUSS and let it sit unenergized for 10 minutes!
Other than that is just a straight swap of the wiring and the Final Filters on each receptacle. some may look different from each other depending upon specific application. Just remember which receptacle space had what Final Filter and you are good to go.
Well I replaced the stock P&S 5362a receptacles over the weekend with some Furutech GTX-D with Rhodium and everything went pretty smooth except for trying to put the plate back on. I guess the Furutech's are a little wide and had to take off one of the sliding guards on the side to make the plate fit but all in all pretty easy peasy.
I got to say as good as the 5362a's were the Furutech's are really something else...noise floor dropped even more and some of the harshness or glare I used to hear on certain tracks and music just disappeared. Really nice detail and presence. Why a receptacle can make such a difference is beyond me but I like what I hear.
The Furutech's also seem to grab and hold the plugs a lot better. All my plugs are the Furutech F1-50's and they're a little heavy and robust and would be a little loose before but the GTX-D's seem to really keep them in place without a budge. Very highly recommended. A little costly but I'm glad I decided to do it.
Thanks Dave for the encouragement!
-Tom
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Well I replaced the stock P&S 5362a receptacles over the weekend with some Furutech GTX-D with Rhodium and everything went pretty smooth except for trying to put the plate back on. I guess the Furutech's are a little wide and had to take off one of the sliding guards on the side to make the plate fit but all in all pretty easy peasy.
I got to say as good as the 5362a's were the Furutech's are really something else...noise floor dropped even more and some of the harshness or glare I used to hear on certain tracks and music just disappeared. Really nice detail and presence. Why a receptacle can make such a difference is beyond me but I like what I hear.
The Furutech's also seem to grab and hold the plugs a lot better. All my plugs are the Furutech F1-50's and they're a little heavy and robust and would be a little loose before but the GTX-D's seem to really keep them in place without a budge. Very highly recommended. A little costly but I'm glad I decided to do it.
Thanks Dave for the encouragement!
-Tom
My pleasure. As long as electricity is treated with the respect it deserves all is well.. usually. 8)
I'll be the first person to tell you how much I don't like rhodium - on interconnects. Electrical (AC) connections are different. Even with rhodium (or perhaps, because) rhodium is such a crappy conductor it can work wonders on audio gear in the power department. If you have a system that just needs "more", rhodium might just be the magic bullet.
Let us know how it develops. Rhodium is notorious for taking a long time to break in.
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Let us know how it develops. Rhodium is notorious for taking a long time to break in.
Definitely!
And for those who are always wanting to know what Dave has inside his little black box, I found this.... :lol:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123711)
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I'll be the first person to tell you how much I don't like rhodium - on interconnects. Electrical (AC) connections are different. Even with rhodium (or perhaps, because) rhodium is such a crappy conductor it can work wonders on audio gear in the power department. If you have a system that just needs "more", rhodium might just be the magic bullet.
Does anyone know the sonic differences between the Furutech rhodium vs. gold plated copper version?
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Couldn't you just measure with a multimeter before opening? I use discharge resistors that are good with under a second. Unfortunately they're warm, so probably not fit for a case that size. However they mount on the chassis, so that helps dissipate heat. They're 50w, but only bleed a couple watts a piece. They seem perfectly reliable. I don't know what yours are, but it's nice to not have to worry. I suppose in a PFC network their values may be a determinate, however.
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Does anyone know the sonic differences between the Furutech rhodium vs. gold plated copper version?
A guy I know used one of Oyaide's high end ones with rhodium. He said the difference was immediate, and the grip is ridiculous. Gold isn't as tough so the grip probably won't be as good, or last as long. I'd be worried about that over performance.
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Does anyone know the sonic differences between the Furutech rhodium vs. gold plated copper version?
This is IME. YMMV, but seems to be fairly consistent system to system:
Gold plating - warm, big , round and luscious mids. MADE for female vocals. Very smooth highs, bell like
Rhodium plating - best term I can use is "precise". Not overly bright, but clarity out the wazoo. Created for detail fanatics and music lovers with systems that are not on the verge of bright.
These are general comments on the plating only. There is a pretty big difference between the beryllium copper of the FPX series and the pure copper of the GTX's. The GTX is simply the best receptacle I have ever used.
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A guy I know used one of Oyaide's high end ones with rhodium. He said the difference was immediate, and the grip is ridiculous. Gold isn't as tough so the grip probably won't be as good, or last as long. I'd be worried about that over performance.
Furutech uses a stainless steel spring system to maintain jaw stiffness. Grip like a gila monster.
There other things about plating on Furutech. I have looked at their plating under magnification. The FPX series is OK. The base metal buffed finish is not as good as in the GTX. The GTX plating/polish is flawless. With the spring system and the smoothness of the substrate and the plating a comparable plug can be plugged and unplugged a lot without ever seeing a scar in the plating.
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Furutech uses a stainless steel spring system to maintain jaw stiffness. Grip like a gila monster.
There other things about plating on Furutech. I have looked at their plating under magnification. The FPX series is OK. The base metal buffed finish is not as good as in the GTX. The GTX plating/polish is flawless. With the spring system and the smoothness of the substrate and the plating a comparable plug can be plugged and unplugged a lot without ever seeing a scar in the plating.
If using a single GTX outlet, would you recommend that it go on the wall or on the Uberbuss to power front end equipment?
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If using a single GTX outlet, would you recommend that it go on the wall or on the Uberbuss to power front end equipment?
Easy call for me. Since I've heard them all and what they do for an already very good system I'd put it in the wall and get that goodness to all of the gear. That predisposes some things like cabling, but yep : The wall.
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Easy call for me. Since I've heard them all and what they do for an already very good system I'd put it in the wall and get that goodness to all of the gear. That predisposes some things like cabling, but yep : The wall.
OK, since 95% of my listening is female vocals, I'm gonna trust your judgment, Dave, and try the gold version and report back. My Uberness is currently plugged into a Maestro on the wall.
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Hey guys,
I also have an UberBUSS plugged into a Maestro outlet at the wall. About 5 mins ago I ordered a GTX-D Gold from The Cable Company and will be swapping it into the wall first. I have two Maestro outlets I can move into the UberBUSS to replace the stock P&S, but I have no idea how to do this. Hopefully it is intuitive.
Rob
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I am using a GTX (R) in wall its just awesome
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Hey guys,
I also have an UberBUSS plugged into a Maestro outlet at the wall. About 5 mins ago I ordered a GTX-D Gold from The Cable Company and will be swapping it into the wall first. I have two Maestro outlets I can move into the UberBUSS to replace the stock P&S, but I have no idea how to do this. Hopefully it is intuitive.
Rob
Here you go: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=135519.msg1439950#msg1439950 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=135519.msg1439950#msg1439950)
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Any thoughts on the Ayre L-5xe?
(http://www.audiofast.com/prods/recenzje/audio/audio052009/max_18.jpg)
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Any thoughts on the Ayre L-5xe?
(http://www.audiofast.com/prods/recenzje/audio/audio052009/max_18.jpg)
Nope. Not a clue. I know of no one using it and I haven't heard one. :dunno:
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Well it looks to be just 4 air coils... there's no ferrite material supposedly, so they must be core-less. Their overall filtration couldn't be much.
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Well it looks to be just 4 air coils... there's no ferrite material supposedly, so they must be core-less. Their overall filtration couldn't be much.
I know I have seen those inductors in the past. I remember the orange bobbins. I just can't remember where. :scratch: Been a long time...
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Right, I gave up quickly because I'm uninterested in such a devices that does so little.
If for some magical reason it could get 2mh or better, I'd be interested, so long as the DC ohm was low enough.