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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: James Tanner on 24 Jul 2014, 03:49 pm
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HI Folks,
Not a week goes by that I do not get a request from a customer about where he can get a Bryston BCD-1 CD Player and I get chewed out for discontinuing ours. I had no choice as the drive we used was a dedicated CD Drive (as opposed to a DVD Drive) and Phillips discontinued them.
Anyway I have found a new CD drive that performs very well and wanted to get an idea from our customers as to whether you think a dedicated CD Player from Bryston is a viable product given todays computer based options.
james
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What I'd like to see is a unit that does both. It can just play CD's AND has the ability to rip them to a hard drive library (if the user wishes to do so) and play them back from the library. That'd be fantastic!
Yes, a computer can do this, but I'd like to see a stand-alone audio-centric component that would sit on the same rack as other audio equipment. This is what is keeping me, personally, from really getting into computer audio. I don't want to deal with a computer and software issues etc. in my system. Until something like this comes along, my CD player will remain in my system.
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James,
my opinion is that of an audiophile and also a Bryston dealer. I would like to see a new cd player from you. I think there is still a large number of audiophiles out there who do not want to get involved in playing their music from a hard drive. They want to drop their favorite cd in a drawer and let it play.
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+1. Most of us out here don't want to have to hire an IT department just to listen to our music. That's the thought I get when I follow the BDP-1/2 thread. Most days it cures me of my temptation to dive into.
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I will be looking for one to use in my Landau horse buggy.
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James,
my opinion is that of an audiophile and also a Bryston dealer. I would like to see a new cd player from you. I think there is still a large number of audiophiles out there who do not want to get involved in playing their music from a hard drive. They want to drop their favorite cd in a drawer and let it play.
+1 :thumb:
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As my name Redbook implies I am a dedicated player of CD records. I have no interest to use computers or the net as a source. The old idea of placing a disc on a machine has never lost it's appeal for me. I love my bcd1 (both of them) but a new player of equal or greater status would be a welcome idea for sure. Perhaps a new player could include the latest da section (with dual chips) and the ripping ability is good as well. Hopefully you will produce another great and timeless player.....and I will add it to my rack soon...............Redbook :thumb:
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James,
I would like to see something on the order of an Oppo 105. My son bought me a 192k blueray audio disc that I could only play it in my Denon blue ray player. I'm having a hard time trying to rip it so I can play it in my BDP. My BCD can't play it. I was hopping the BOT would be able to address these different formats.
Go for but include a few updates SACD, DVD-audio, ripping capabilities.
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I'll also chime in as a dealer and Bryston owner. CD players have popularity in some markets and next to zero presence in others. In parts of the world where internet access is limited but there is still a fair amount of wealth (parts of Brazil for instance), CD players are still dominant. In North America and most of Europe, it's primarily all network and computer playback with the exception of remote markets. So it's really a matter of economy of scale and only Bryston can determine a reasonable cost for such a device in lieu of this.
In my market, our customers tend to have a record player and modern digital front end. The one's that held on to their CD players (because they were initially sceptical of digital audio) ended up never again using them. Personally I'm quite happy to not use a CD player but I do have a fair amount of knowledge in computer audio and am therefore quite comfortable with it and all of it's unique problems :)
For what it's worth, a BDP unit is about the most flexible and easy to use digital player out there. Most of the issues you see in the forum are from users who are asking a great deal more of the BDP than Bryston originally intended. It's a flexible piece, for sure, but that also allows it to be quite simple in use.
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I thought the plan was for a CD transport that would go into the BDP-2?
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I thought the plan was for a CD transport that would go into the BDP-2?
Hi
That is the BOT which we are still working on - this would be a stand alone CD Player.
james
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Like many participants in the Bryston forums, my music library is primarily CDs, and I would be very interested in a dedicated CD player. I'd planned to get the BCD-1 until our kids made a withdrawal from the Bank of Mom & Dad. I've been using an Oppo BDP-105, which is a fine A/V Swiss army knife, but a Bryston-quality dedicated player would be a no-brainer investment. If the BOT-1 comes to fruition, I'd still buy a Bryston CD player for my office system.
My wish list would include a DAC to stream files from my Macs and (though far less likely) the ability to play SACD and DVD-A discs.
Rich
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HI Folks,
Not a week goes by that I do not get a request from a customer about where he can get a Bryston BCD-1 CD Player and I get chewed out for discontinuing ours. I had no choice as the drive we used was a dedicated CD Drive (as opposed to a DVD Drive) and Phillips discontinued them.
Anyway I have found a new CD drive that performs very well and wanted to get an idea from our customers as to whether you think a dedicated CD Player from Bryston is a viable product given todays computer based options.
james
Well if it can replace my sometimes confused dddddddrive in my BCD-1 I would be happy...my cat decided to jump up on my equipment rack where the unit resided on some roller blocks...it went flying off the rack gouged my wall and crashed to the floor..it still plays buy once in a while it has a mental breakdown.
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Yes I would call it a viable option. But I'm 54 and maybe a dinosaur. I belong to an audio club, and I've only once seen computer audio perform without a hitch. I'll stick with CD's for the time being. BTW, I currently own a BCD-1, and have been using it for 4 years. No hiccups with it, and I recently tried a number of DACs to see if I could improve the sound; they all went back.
Please only make the player if it will equal or top the BCD...
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James,
I own a BCD-1 and I love it and I enjoy spinning discs. I wish I had purchased two of them so I had a backup unit. I fall into the category of not being so sure I want to dive into digital and if I make an addition it will probably be a turntable. It would be comforting to know I can purchase another Bryston CD player. I don't need the unit to do anything except play rebook and that might keep the cost down. But it sure looks like others would like more options. Maybe you could design it to be a basic redbook player with the ability to order it with the other options some would like.
Mike
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+1 :D I have been following the used BCD-1 market for the past couple of years. They seem to get snapped up fairly quickly, especially the silver model, which says something about the popularity of the unit and the CD format. I have a BCD-1 now, but would definitely add one to my second system to replace the Arcam 36. Given that the engineering has already been accomplished I would think that only minor modifications would be needed to incorporate a new drive.
Regarding the computer systems, I've toyed with the idea of a BDP-2. I'm sure it is a fine piece of gear and computer systems may be the future of music. But frankly I don't need any more computer related hassles when all I want to do is spin a disc and let my Bryston gear deliver the sound I so enjoy. I doubt if I'm in the minority, but then….
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Lets see,I had my BCD-1 for 5yrs without a problem and it's INSERT A DISC AND HIT PLAY.
That's too easy,now with a BDP-1 or 2 you have all kinds of BS just to maybe get the thing to play or call Chris so he can configure it so you can actually play a song.
Definate not for the plug and play crowd.
Then instead of having it plugged into the wall you should buy a power bar of sorts so you don't get the 09 code and have to ship it back to bryston which friggin costs which they don't tell you(power bar) :roll:.
There's a lot going for a CDP,I have had my OPPO 95 ( for a few yrs and not one problem.
The BDP-2 you need all kinds of assistance to get it up and running and then a few external components just to make it work.
A friend of mine has the BDP-1 same friggin 09 problem,if CDP weren't goin bye bye I would stick with a CDP.
Perhaps bryston is in unknown territory where they are trying to catch up digitally(at least with the BDP's) and there are a lot of BUGS.
I mean really if OPPO can make a basically flawless CD/DVD player,and I have had the 83 SE and 95 and they both play flawless after all these yrs without a glitch,WTF is with the BDP.
Really with all these flaws it's not ready for consumers as all the bugs are not worked out and it is definitely not user friendly unless you like stress,disappointment ect and you are tech savy.
I really do like the sound and convenience of the BDP's,but all the FN errors and $2000 for a grief stricken player i BELIEVE FOR ERROR FREE AND RELIABILITY,my OPPO is superior.
Perhaps to many rods in the fire,gets frustrating when you want to really listen to you music with the BDP and it F's up.
Have had it for almost a yr and Life is to short to be disappointed over and over again,especially when it involves tech assistance all the friggin time.Its not the sound she produces its every time I run into a problem I have to Fn call some one.
CDP,no techs JUST PLUG N PLAY...SIMPLE :o,to easy I guess.
At least I can use my OPPO to still play discs,where my bdp is sent back for repair,which will cost me a few hundred and then hopefully she'll run for 6 months .
I really wonder why if the digital cant be built more or less like some other companies,why bother until,
ALL THE BUGS ARE WORKED OUT.
Frustrating as hell,
Records and even CD's seem soooo simple,BUT THEY WORK,sometimes simple is better and even MORE RELIABLE.
that's my rant for the evening and I'm sure some won't like it,
We''ll as Travis Tritt sang,Here's a quarter,call someone who cares,
Time to spin some LP's :thumb:.
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James,
I own a BCD-1 and I love it and I enjoy spinning discs. I wish I had purchased two of them so I had a backup unit. I fall into the category of not being so sure I want to dive into digital and if I make an addition it will probably be a turntable. It would be comforting to know I can purchase another Bryston CD player. I don't need the unit to do anything except play rebook and that might keep the cost down. But it sure looks like others would like more options. Maybe you could design it to be a basic redbook player with the ability to order it with the other options some would like.
Mike Exactly , I couldn't agree more.............. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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This is the first thing in a long time that has exited me. I have no use for the computer music approach to music listening. The idea of a new and evolutionary CD player is something that revives my interest in Bryston.
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My thoughts mimic so much of what has already been said. :thumb: Personally, I simply prefer selecting and spinning both CD and Vinyl in my separate stereo area. I have no plans for digital storage, hi-res files or streaming unless I'm forced to go that way. I love my BCD-1 and had a moment of panic when they were discontinued as what would I do if mine was lost (a fire or stolen as I'm sure mine will last for a long time otherwise - being Bryston).
I'd be more than happy with a BDA-2 providing I at least had a Bryston CD transport so that the house sound was equivalent or better than my BCD-1. I'm over previous CD players and don't want to experiment now I've found the sound I like. If something goes wrong, I simply want to replace components without needing to trial alternatives to my existing components. Incidentally, I still have friends that only have CDs so it's nice to have them drop by without having to copy and transfer files to a computer, BDP-2 or similar. One day they might all come armed with thumb drives but not yet. :)
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I will never buy another CD player. Personally, I now prefer to listen to music through the BDP. I still buy CDs, just to rip them and then store them away in my basement.
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James
Is the new drive drawer - loaded or slot loaded ?
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Even though I own the Bryston BDP-2/BDA-2 combo and do enjoy streaming my music for hours, I still kept my Bryston BCD-1 as a backup, should my network/WI-FI ever be down (it's happened on a few occassions). Plus I like to use the Bryston BCD-1 CD player to audition freinds' loaned CDs.
The Bryston BCD-1 is an excellent CD player and hopefully the next version will be just as good or better! :D
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James
Is the new drive drawer - loaded or slot loaded ?
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Tray loader.
james
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Im building a plan and budget for a complete Bryston system . Pre/power supply,power amp, and dac -- the return of a cd player would be a shoe in for me . At present time the disc spinner would be the "odd man out " lol in my future kit . I prefer to purchase new and not used , so a used BCD is not in the future for me . I have a couple thousand discs and not inclined yet to rip to a new digital medium . i have thousands of digital music files , my time between cd and streaming remains evenly split and i foresee this to be the case for a long time yet .
But a BCD-II-1 disc player would make my grocery list complete !
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For sure . BCD-2 has a good ring to it......looking forward to it. :bowdown:
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A new player. I own a Rega Saturn R and a Oppo 105D. For cd's I use the Saturn because I just like how Rega has the Wolfson Dacs implemented. So to me it depends on what Bryston includes in this possible CD player
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I think a cd player is a little too old fashioned as it is IMHO a waste of a good dac.
Maybe if the dac in the player is accessible to other sources it would be ok,,,other than that , I would vote for a transport only.
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CDP/DAC with multiple digital inputs and SE and balanced analog outputs.
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I think a cd player is a little too old fashioned as it is IMHO a waste of a good dac.
Maybe if the dac in the player is accessible to other sources it would be ok,,,other than that , I would vote for a transport only.
One of the advantages with an internal DAC is you can clock the DAC exactly to the Drive as you know exactly what digital signal is coming off the drive. This reduces jitter substantially. With outboard DAC's you have to reclock and resample the incoming signal and there is a lot more math and manipulation going on.
james
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One of the advantages with an internal DAC is you can clock the DAC exactly to the Drive as you know exactly what digital signal is coming off the drive. This reduces jitter substantially. With outboard DAC's you have to reclock and resample the incoming signal and there is a lot more math and manipulation going on.
james
This is true......BUT.......with Femto clocks now available at reasonable prices, I'm not so sure reclocking is really a major issue with outboard DACs anymore. Yes, more "work" is being done, versus a direct signal from the drive, but the tools available these days are substantially better for the job.
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CDP/DAC with multiple digital inputs and SE and balanced analog outputs.
Oh yes, please don't leave off the balanced outputs :thumb:
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I'd take a BCD-2 for sure! :thumb:
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James,
Dialog is good but a poll along with it could give a quick picture of consumer interest.
1. Transport only
2. CD Player
3. CDP/DAC
4. Fuggitaboudit
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James,
Dialog is good but a poll along with it could give a quick picture of consumer interest.
1. Transport only
2. CD Player
3. CDP/DAC
4. Fuggitaboudit
Ya I thought about that too late :duh:
james
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Hi James,
I would say it would be nice to see a CD player and pre amp in one box that can be switched from front panel as one system or just use it as transport, DAC or pre amp.
It would save space and cable and most likely would never be obsolete.
It would be something totally new and for some folks with limited space could be nice package to match it with a 4BSST2 and the mini T speakers.
Just a thought. :thumb:
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I've been resisting to buy a CD player hoping for an eventual announcement of a BCD2 with digital inputs.
HI Folks,
Not a week goes by that I do not get a request from a customer about where he can get a Bryston BCD-1 CD Player and I get chewed out for discontinuing ours. I had no choice as the drive we used was a dedicated CD Drive (as opposed to a DVD Drive) and Phillips discontinued them.
Anyway I have found a new CD drive that performs very well and wanted to get an idea from our customers as to whether you think a dedicated CD Player from Bryston is a viable product given todays computer based options.
james
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Hi, James, Is the new drive a retro fit for the BCD-1 and is it a dedicated cd drive?
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-Seems like good support for a new Bryston unit. Count me in for one :thumb:
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Hi, James, Is the new drive a retro fit for the BCD-1 and is it a dedicated cd drive?
yes good point since the bcd1 was that way...pure redbook
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Hi, James, Is the new drive a retro fit for the BCD-1 and is it a dedicated cd drive?
Yes pure Redbook drive and given the new DACs available should really perform very well.
james
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Yes please James. I would definitely buy a new CD Player from Bryston. I really enjoyed the BCD1's performance.
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Yes pure Redbook drive and given the new DACs available should really perform very well.
james
BRING IT ON,JAMES!!!! :thumb:
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Here's hoping for a BCD-? under the Christmas tree!
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Yes I would call it a viable option. But I'm 54 and maybe a dinosaur. I belong to an audio club, and I've only once seen computer audio perform without a hitch. I'll stick with CD's for the time being. BTW, I currently own a BCD-1, and have been using it for 4 years. No hiccups with it, and I recently tried a number of DACs to see if I could improve the sound; they all went back.
Please only make the player if it will equal or top the BCD...
+1
Spot on, I can not add more.
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Hi James!
I think Bryston would benefit from a new CD player here in Europe. I certainly don't see anyone ripping their CDs to computers and playing the music like that. For this reason, CD players are still quite popular. Good sales prove that. Price of the BCD-1 was close to a Naim CDS and Exposure MCX and you certainly do have a lot to offer and would find a good deal of customers. I know that my dealer in Zagreb said it is a shame the BCD-1 got discontinued. They had an ex-demo unit at the time but I missed the opportunity and regret it.
Cheers!
Antun
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I would welcome the return of Bryston's CD player. My only request is that is sound as good as the old one. I have hundreds of CDs and the task of ripping them is just too much work. Life's too short for that. Besides, I prefer CDs. I like reading the liner notes while I listen to them. It's a more enjoyable experience. It's the same as reading the print version of a newspaper compared to the online version. I have a BCD and I love it . I would gladly purchase another one.
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I would welcome the return of Bryston's CD player. My only request is that is sound as good as the old one. I have hundreds of CDs and the task of ripping them is just too much work. Life's too short for that. Besides, I prefer CDs. I like reading the liner notes while I listen to them. It's a more enjoyable experience. It's the same as reading the print version of a newspaper compared to the online version. I have a BCD and I love it . I would gladly purchase another one.
Right on... exactly my feeling as well....... :beer:
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Yes pure Redbook drive and given the new DACs available should really perform very well.
james
Sound/performance-wise, where would it be compared to the BDP-2/BDA-2 combo?
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For those of you who can't wait, there appears to be an "unused" silver Bryston BCD-1 on Audiogon.
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/cd-sacd-players-bryston-bcd1-cd-player-2014-07-28-digital-11030-plandome-ny
It's described as "Demo unit, never used. Mint condition"
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Sound/performance-wise, where would it be compared to the BDP-2/BDA-2 combo?
Hi Grit
The analog section and the power supply section on the new player would be identical but the drive and the DACs used would be different. I have not been able to listen to the prototype we have in engineering yet (still working on it) but I will certainly compare it to the BCD1. The new AKM DACs we are looking at do seem to perform extremely well over the older Crystal DACs used in the BCD1.
james
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For those of you who can't wait, there appears to be an "unused" silver Bryston BCD-1 on Audiogon.
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/cd-sacd-players-bryston-bcd1-cd-player-2014-07-28-digital-11030-plandome-ny
It's described as "Demo unit, never used. Mint condition"
There's also one on CAM (USA):
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649130426-bryston_bcd1_cd_player_with_br2_remote_black_over_50_off/ (http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649130426-bryston_bcd1_cd_player_with_br2_remote_black_over_50_off/)
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I might be interested if it was also a SACD player. No need for DVD-A or Blu-ray Audio as those discs are fundamentally video discs so leave those to other players. The catch for me though is it would have to handle both stereo and multi-channel SACD with 5.1 analog outs as I wouldn't expect a HDMI interface be added to digitally get the surround out.
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I might be interested if it was also a SACD player. No need for DVD-A or Blu-ray Audio as those discs are fundamentally video discs so leave those to other players. The catch for me though is it would have to handle both stereo and multi-channel SACD with 5.1 analog outs as I wouldn't expect a HDMI interface be added to digitally get the surround out.
Hi Rod
I can tell you with a dedicated CD drive SACD is not available.
james
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Seems that every sacd player always puts cd in second place for sonic priority . If it ain't redbook it ain't for me LOL :violin:
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Seems that every sacd player always puts cd in second place for sonic priority . If it ain't redbook it ain't for me LOL :violin:
+1 :thumb:
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I think the BOT is a great product that could serve both the spinners and the computer folks. It would need spdif out and maybe I2s on HDMI. Sure you would need a DAC, but my guess is many people commenting on this subject have one. As far as jitter is concerned many DACs can now buffer the stream minimizing timing errors.
The fact that the BOT can rip and interface with a BDP makes it a more versatile component as long as it can also play a CD to any DAC. The use of an easily replaceable Blu-Ray drive makes the drive obsolescence issue go away. Ayre uses a CD ROM for their CD player and it's a killer. I have had two high end CD transports that can no longer be repaired due to the drive being unavailable. Never again.
Rich
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I have a BCD-1, I would like to see a larger display on the BCD-2 and with more disc information. Like # of tracks on the disc, selectable count down timer.
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I have had two high end CD transports that can no longer be repaired due to the drive being unavailable. Never again.
Rich
I concur on that one. I've had DACs (new and used) and one was 16-17 years old when I sold it and on CDs it had similar sonic qualities as the BCD-1 I had at the time (I'd give the edge to the BCD-1 on tighter/better bass performance). Even drives that do not malfunction have a limited life (like the original drive on the BCD-1 which was around for how long after the unit came out?). I've also owned expensive transports and while I sold them before repair issues came up, it was not something that held up value wise vs. other things. Modern DACs, like the BDA-1, which I owned at one point, offer great CD playback and have the ability to do higher resolution that CD too. Rippping CDs with something like dbpoweramp takes little effort (and probably less than a minute for each CD) and the biggest concern at that point is making sure you have back-up. With simple to use software like JRiver you can have album art and complete information about the album
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Surely Phil, a brand new BCD-2 would find its way into one of the many systems you run. :D
No back-breaking lugging of those Bryston amp beasts required either!
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Surely Phil, a brand new BCD-2 would find its way into one of the many systems you run. :D
No back-breaking lugging of those Bryston amp beasts required either!
To the contrary, while I have arguably 6 systems (including the office system), forgetting resale value, I would not buy a used BCD-1 for $500. I would glady grab a used BDA-1 for $500 and be quite happy. At this point a CD player is just passe for me. As I noted dbpoweramp takes no time to rip CDs. A couple of hundred could easily be ripped in a few hours. At this point there also is no need even for something to navigate through files that is difficult to use. I have Oppo players in 4 of the systems (two 103Ds, a BDP-93 in the bedroom system and a modded BDP-83 in another and even have an old DV980h too). If is quite easy to take a portable hard drive with tons of music and either play it from the USB input of the players. I have the BDP-83 with a Teac DAC in one spare system. Yes of course you need a monitor so if that is an issue for some that is understandable, however it really should not be a big deal. I have a Meitner DAC and music server in the main system but it would not be an issue to take my hard drive into the Oppo 103D and I have an old computer monitor and an HDMI to DVI cable and it works fine (and a used monitor can easily be had for under $50 and a new one under $100).
Only have a Bryston 3BST left in a spare system at this point and I love the design and shallow depth. I had it behind a TV in the old house and do in the current one. I do have one non-Bryston amp that is heavy and I have owned a 14BSST and a 6BSST (up until recent times) so I understand about lugging heavy things around. The Torus 20 amp conditioner is not light either.
Yes I do understand for some that the ease of taking out a disc and putting it in and having one box is nice.
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My BCD-1 has served me faithfully for a few years and was still working well about a month ago when I last used it. I do not use it that much nowadays, preferring the convenience of the BDP-1. But I foresee that I will always have a working CD player with me (still have hundreds of CDs which have not yet been ripped). One day, if the BCD-1 does not work anymore and is beyond repair, I will certainly buy its replacement in a heartbeat, preferably from Bryston.
Functions wise, I'd like this CD player to have both AES/EBU, SPDIF & if possible, USB digital inputs.
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I think a player with USB digital inputs makes a whole lot more sense vs. an ordinary traditional player. Most cheap Blu-Ray players even have that feature.
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I think James said that Bryston held back enough drives to amply repair the BCD 1. I asked this because I wanted to know that I will be able to enjoy this player for as long as I wish. ....However , I am open to a redone version with some of those features that have been mentioned as long as it 's 'redbook' priority and as good , if not better that the BCD1.
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I'll tell you one thing for sure. If I was in the market for another CD player it would only be if it had digital in. Nothing worse that junking a player with a good DAC. :nono:
The only player I still have is the Denon DVD 5000 cause it has a digital in. The drive crapped out long ago.
Rich
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Hi Rod
I can tell you with a dedicated CD drive SACD is not available.
james
Thanks James
That's to bad. I have a 300 disc Sony changer at present which serves it's purpose i.e. convenience but if I had the option of a high end Bryston that also did SACD that would have been something worth considering adding to my rack. Currently when I want to hear the best quality rather than just background music I take the disc out of the Sony and put it in my Denon DVD-A1 and use it's analog section as it has great DACs.
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Thanks James
That's to bad. I have a 300 disc Sony changer at present which serves it's purpose i.e. convenience but if I had the option of a high end Bryston that also did SACD that would have been something worth considering adding to my rack. Currently when I want to hear the best quality rather than just background music I take the disc out of the Sony and put it in my Denon DVD-A1 and use it's analog section as it has great DACs.
Rod, I can tell you that when I had the modded Oppo BDP-83 in my old system and the BDA-1 DAC I had an HDMI de-embedder (less than $50 at Monoprice but of course I used an upgraded power supply that was more than the unit - anything that works with the Squeezebox Touch will work) and while certain high frequencies were a bit better playing the SACDs via the Oppo, I much preferred converting SACD to 24/88.2 and going into the Bryston BDA-1. The presentation/imaging was better. Before I went to computer playback, I also tried the de-embedder with the Meitner DAC. For those with SACDs that want to hear resolution higher than CD but don't want to move into computer, I'd highly recommend that solution. You can get the DAC of your choice (like a BDA-2), have great CD playback, and great higher resolution from SACDs and can easily at some point rip music to a hard drive and use the DAC to playback ripped music without the hassle of some complicated interface. To put SACD playback in the chain for a manufacturer, it means going to a different drive and then probably multiple clocks to playback different resolutions. So if the goal is CD playback for its customers to use, it translates into more cost.
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If it isn't CD it's no see me.! LOL .... SACD records have nothing to offer me because my music and a lot of other music never came available. Sad to say perhaps but true in my case at least. :thumb:
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If it isn't CD it's no see me.! LOL .... SACD records have nothing to offer me because my music and a lot of other music never came available. Sad to say perhaps but true in my case at least. :thumb:
Ain't that the truth!
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Then there is the economics.
$5390 for a BDA/BDP-2 combo vs $3500.00 (just a guess)for a BCD-?. I can buy many CD's for $1890.00.
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Rod, I can tell you that when I had the modded Oppo BDP-83 in my old system and the BDA-1 DAC I had an HDMI de-embedder (less than $50 at Monoprice but of course I used an upgraded power supply that was more than the unit - anything that works with the Squeezebox Touch will work) and while certain high frequencies were a bit better playing the SACDs via the Oppo, I much preferred converting SACD to 24/88.2 and going into the Bryston BDA-1. The presentation/imaging was better. Before I went to computer playback, I also tried the de-embedder with the Meitner DAC. For those with SACDs that want to hear resolution higher than CD but don't want to move into computer, I'd highly recommend that solution. You can get the DAC of your choice (like a BDA-2), have great CD playback, and great higher resolution from SACDs and can easily at some point rip music to a hard drive and use the DAC to playback ripped music without the hassle of some complicated interface. To put SACD playback in the chain for a manufacturer, it means going to a different drive and then probably multiple clocks to playback different resolutions. So if the goal is CD playback for its customers to use, it translates into more cost.
Thanks for the infromation. This seems like a really nice solution for 2 channel. For me however SACD is all about multi-channel so I only get stereo SACD's when there is no multi-channel available.
I certainly see where having a device play SACD's complicates things from Bryston's perspective as it appears you lose the ability to maintain the absolute best audio quality once they move away from a dedicated CD only drive.
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Thanks for the infromation. This seems like a really nice solution for 2 channel. For me however SACD is all about multi-channel so I only get stereo SACD's when there is no multi-channel available.
I certainly see where having a device play SACD's complicates things from Bryston's perspective as it appears you lose the ability to maintain the absolute best audio quality once they move away from a dedicated CD only drive.
If you have DSD files, the Oppo 103 can also supposedly do multi-channel DSD from an attached hard drive. I've tried 2-channel with no problem and I have a bunch of multi-channel files too but have not gotten around to try them. So I plan to use it for multi-channel DSD on the Opp and try playing a file at some point (I just put the hard drives on last week).
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Thanks for the infromation. This seems like a really nice solution for 2 channel. For me however SACD is all about multi-channel so I only get stereo SACD's when there is no multi-channel available.
I certainly see where having a device play SACD's complicates things from Bryston's perspective as it appears you lose the ability to maintain the absolute best audio quality once they move away from a dedicated CD only drive.
Here is some additional info. Oppo provides great support with their firmware updates. That is one reason it is a good platform for those that want to do more than CD:
http://www.stereophile.com/content/news-flash-oppo-now-plays-dsd-files
https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-10x-Firmware.aspx
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When this new player comes out it would be nice to have a smoother tray. I love my BCD-1s but I do miss the classy feeling of my old sony ess player. I would pay more to have this . :thumb:
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When this new player comes out it would be nice to have a smoother tray. I love my BCD-1s but I do miss the classy feeling of my old sony ess player. I would pay more to have this . :thumb:
I agree...The tray sound and motion is on the clunky side.
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Yes the new drive has a very smooth and fluid motion.
James
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Yes the new drive has a very smooth and fluid motion.
James
Would there be plans reuse the same Philips L1210 disc transport ?
What audio DAC would you use, reuse the same Crystal CS4398 chips or what ?
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Would there be plans reuse the same Philips L1210 disc transport ?
What audio DAC would you use, reuse the same Crystal CS4398 chips or what ?
No it's a new drive we found and the DACs would be the new AKM.
James
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No it's a new drive we found and the DACs would be the new AKM.
James
Is that the AKM 4399 32 bit or is there a newer one? That's what I have in my Esoteric K-05 and it's outstanding. Makes the Music Choice Channels on cable TV sound like Hi Fidelity. Sounds like you have the ingredients for a winner, James :thumb:
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Hi James
If Bryston do indeed have plans for a new player any chance of putting the power button on the left hand side of the display away from the control buttons. Not too sure in the heat of the moment how many times I hit power off instead of play after loading a CD. :duh:
And yes a larger display always helps.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103170)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103169)
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Hi James
If Bryston do indeed have plans for a new player any chance of putting the power button on the left hand side of the display away from the control buttons. Not too sure in the heat of the moment how many times I hit power off instead of play after loading a CD. :duh:
And yes a larger display always helps.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103170)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103169)
+1 for a Larger display! :thumb:
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Thinking of using the same display as in the SP3.
james
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James,
Should I sell my BCD-1 now? LOL! :scratch:
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Thanks James,
Any chance this can be ready in time for a Christmas gift to self? :lol:
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No it's a new drive we found and the DACs would be the new AKM.
James
That would be good news on both .
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Thanks James,
Any chance this can be ready in time for a Christmas gift to self? :lol:
Yeah man. You should be able to get one for Christmas............
Christmas 2015. :lol:
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Thinking of using the same display as in the SP3.
james
...i don't know but i think that the SP3 display seems a touch too big ?!?
al.
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...i don't know but i think that the SP3 display seems a touch too big ?!?
al.
Maybe the BDP display?
james
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James,
Should I sell my BCD-1 now? LOL! :scratch:
NO :nono:- not sure we will do this new one.
james
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NO :nono:- not sure we will do this new one.
james
But if you do ( I hope) I also think the sp3 display is too big. What ever , when ever, please make it possible to turn it off optionally. :thumb:
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I think making "traditionally operating CD players" that directly outputs a disc's optically read information
might be a mistake . So, I guess the challenge would be for Bryston to come out with a disc player that
plays from some type of memory. (We "CD rippers" just feel lazy sometimes)
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I think making "traditionally operating CD players" that directly outputs a disc's optically read information
might be a mistake . So, I guess the challenge would be for Bryston to come out with a disc player that
plays from some type of memory. (We "CD rippers" just feel lazy sometimes)
Hi Steve
Thats what the new BOT Drive we are working on will do with our BDP.
james
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Hello James,
It has been a while since I'd seen any mention of the BOT-1 so I assumed that it was just "shelved".
So I'm guessing that the BOT-1 will output to the BDP via USB, will it only be compatible with the Bryston
players? (Sorry, we probably talked about this in the BOT thread, but like my Username on that "other" forum
I'm Old, He,he,he)
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Hello James,
It has been a while since I'd seen any mention of the BOT-1 so I assumed that it was just "shelved".
So I'm guessing that the BOT-1 will output to the BDP via USB, will it only be compatible with the Bryston
players? (Sorry, we probably talked about this in the BOT thread, but like my Username on that "other" forum
I'm Old, He,he,he)
Yes Chris is still looking at it and it would connect to the BDP through USB and offer listening through the BDP2 buffer or ripping to any attached drive on the BDP.
james
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HI James,
though i do understand the raison d'être for the BOT1, i do hope you won't make playing a cd as complex, time consuming and multi action as ripping, storing waiting and finally playing a file on the bdp....
load and play, thats what we love about plain, simple, dedicated cd players ;-) no extra machine needed, just the bcd and Amps.
hope you're talking about 2 separate machines here.
M
Yes Chris is still looking at it and it would connect to the BDP through USB and offer listening through the BDP2 buffer or ripping to any attached drive on the BDP.
james
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HI James,
though i do understand the raison d'être for the BOT1, i do hope you won't make playing a cd as complex, time consuming and multi action as ripping, storing waiting and finally playing a file on the bdp....
load and play, thats what we love about plain, simple, dedicated cd players ;-) no extra machine needed, just the bcd and Amps.
hope you're talking about 2 separate machines here
M
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Exactly what I mean...just spin the record and relax......... :eyebrows:
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HI James,
though i do understand the raison d'être for the BOT1, i do hope you won't make playing a cd as complex, time consuming and multi action as ripping, storing waiting and finally playing a file on the bdp....
load and play, thats what we love about plain, simple, dedicated cd players ;-) no extra machine needed, just the bcd and Amps.
hope you're talking about 2 separate machines here. Yes , this is 2 different things for sure. James is thinking a new redbook cd player with the latest chips and drive....all in one box (less jitter too)
M
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Exactly what I mean...just spin the record and relax......... :eyebrows:
+1
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+1. Keep it simple.
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There is no denying that nowadays Cd's are finally being recorded with 'digital care' or audiophile ears, and the remasters are 'as good as it gets' or first-rate considering 'that period in time'.
Digital files are convenient and fast, yet nothing can match the pleasure of walking to a CD collection, reflecting years of passion, then considering which musical mood to select, maybe deciding to audition the lesser known cut, or let it all play, then selecting the physical CD disk to be hand inserted into a magnificent musical Bryston CD player, feeding pure music to the audio chain ... A transcendent state in which self is released from the effects of karma and the cycle of death and rebirth. It represents the final goal of Brysthism :D
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Add me in as yet another "load and play" person. I'm comfortable with computer stuff, but needing to have my network/computer/non-audio-centric device running just to hear music is not my preferred cup of tea.
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There is no denying that nowadays Cd's are finally being recorded with 'digital care' or audiophile ears, and the remasters are 'as good as it gets' or first-rate considering 'that period in time'.
Digital files are convenient and fast, yet nothing can match the pleasure of walking to a CD collection, reflecting years of passion, then considering which musical mood to select, maybe deciding to audition the lesser known cut, or let it all play, then selecting the physical CD disk to be hand inserted into a magnificent musical Bryston CD player, feeding pure music to the audio chain ... A transcendent state in which self is released from the effects of karma and the cycle of death and rebirth. It represents the final goal of Brysthism :D
So poetically expressed, I fully agree......and yes , I'm a load and play type of audiophile too.
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My two sources are a CD player and a BDP2. As my CD collection started growing out of hand and a few discs started aging symptoms, the peace of mind offered by having the ability to play high quality files from USB started to appeal. Still running both side by side and even though the BDP gets more and more of the airtime, CD continues to be a main source.
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There is no denying that nowadays Cd's are finally being recorded with 'digital care' or audiophile ears, and the remasters are 'as good as it gets' or first-rate considering 'that period in time'.
Digital files are convenient and fast, yet nothing can match the pleasure of walking to a CD collection, reflecting years of passion, then considering which musical mood to select, maybe deciding to audition the lesser known cut, or let it all play, then selecting the physical CD disk to be hand inserted into a magnificent musical Bryston CD player, feeding pure music to the audio chain ... A transcendent state in which self is released from the effects of karma and the cycle of death and rebirth. It represents the final goal of Brysthism :D
...nice :thumb:
al.
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Maybe the BDP display?
james
yes, the BDP display should be ok :D and i guess the reason why you would want to choose either the SP3 or BDP display is to keep the costs down, right?!? but in general i think that most of the customers would want 'better sized' displays for gear like the 'new' BCD, BOT and BDP??
al.
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Yes, James, the BDP display is a reasonable size for the BCD-X, but could scrolling be enabled? It can be difficult to discern album and track titles on my BDP-2 (especially for classical works), since the display characters are limited. (As an aside, can scrolling be enabled on the BDP series?)
I hope this project (and the BOT 1) comes to fruition. I have my order ready: black with blue display.
Cheerio
Rich
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James, just so you know that CD in Europe still seems to be the popular medium, there are a number of manufactures that make CD players and I am not aware of a British manufacturer that does not have at least one player in their portfolio. I will name but a few of them:
Audiolab - 2 players
Arcam - 2 players
Cambridge - 4 players
Creek - 2 players
Cyrus - 3 players
Exposure - 4 players
Musical fidelity - 3 players
Myryad - 2 players
Naim - 4 players
This includes only CD players. CD transports, all-in-one systems and multi-format players are not included because the list would be too long.
Japanese manufacturers like Denon, Onkyo, Marantz and Pioneer seem to be quite happy with CD players and each of them makes at least 3 models. Just last year Pioneer introduced a new line of affordable SACD players consisting of 3 models.
In other words, the situation hasn't changed much in last decade and the manufacturers that had 3 or 4 CD players in their product line still have 3 or 4 players to offer.
Cheers!
Antun
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I am not aware of a British manufacturer that does not have at least one player in their portfolio.
Cheers!
Antun
Linn no longer builds CD players and have heavily invested in their Digital Streamer (DS) players.
http://www.audiophilia.com/wp/?p=3570 (http://www.audiophilia.com/wp/?p=3570)
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I thought that Naim was still making CD players :scratch: ............ oh crap sorry , I just saw Naim on your list ( first day with the new brain lol)
:duh: :duh:......long live CD :thumb:
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James, just so you know that CD in Europe still seems to be the popular medium, there are a number of manufactures that make CD players and I am not aware of a British manufacturer that does not have at least one player in their portfolio. I will name but a few of them:
Audiolab - 2 players
Arcam - 2 players
Cambridge - 4 players
Creek - 2 players
Cyrus - 3 players
Exposure - 4 players
Musical fidelity - 3 players
Myryad - 2 players
Naim - 4 players
This includes only CD players. CD transports, all-in-one systems and multi-format players are not included because the list would be too long.
Japanese manufacturers like Denon, Onkyo, Marantz and Pioneer seem to be quite happy with CD players and each of them makes at least 3 models. Just last year Pioneer introduced a new line of affordable SACD players consisting of 3 models.
In other words, the situation hasn't changed much in last decade and the manufacturers that had 3 or 4 CD players in their product line still have 3 or 4 players to offer.
Cheers!
Antun
Some of that is a drop misleading. Musical Fidelity for example lists 2 players on their website. One is a DAC with a CD player. The other CD player has digital inputs. While I could miss something, Arcam's site shows no CD players - http://www.arcam.co.uk/products,cd-players,CD-Players,cd17.htm. They do show a Blu-Ray player. I did not take an extensive look at Cambridge Audio (or other sites) but it appears their flagship player has digital inputs. Creek also has a player with digital inputs - http://www.creekaudio.com/cd-players/evolution-50cd/ It seems to be the trend for (many but not all) higher end CD players to have more than just a CD players. As noted in the above post some of the mass market companies still offer CD, however, that being said, many are real entry level players such as - http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=C-7030&class=Compact%20Disc&source=prodClass. As noted in the prior post Linn abandoned CD several years ago (and they had a $20k CD player in the line). They have been doing streamers and technology for others to use in streamers like the Auralic Aries.
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I thought that Naim was still making CD players :scratch: oh sorry , I just saw Naim on your list :duh: :duh:......long live CD :thumb:
Yes - do believe Naim makes CD players and nice high end ones. As I noted in my prior post there are some high end companies making them
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James that should let you know that doing a new player has merit . :wink:
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The expensive Naim CD player has been around for about 3 years. Here is a review - http://www.naimaudio.com/sites/default/files/products/reviews/files/cd555_audiophile_germany_jan2011.pdf
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Something worth noting (again) is that all those companies listed are Europe based. I think someone here (or maybe I read it elsewhere) mentioned that playback of hi-res files is not as popular there as in the US and Canada. I think the list is perhaps indicative of this. I may be wrong, but I think Bryston has a larger presence in the US and certainly Canada than in Europe. Maybe the goal of the new player should be to accommodate both the North American market (who are into streaming, ripping, downloading as well as playing CD) as well as the European market (who are more interested in just CD playback, but might use the player as a gateway to streaming, ripping, downloading etc.). Maybe the player should be module based, like some of Bryston's other components is the answer.
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Yes it probably is true that most of the companies listed are bigger in Europe. There is nothing wrong with the ease/simplicity of playing a CD (and it makes it very easy if there are multiple people in the household using it). However, the market has been steadily moving away from physical media for some time. At one point (many moons ago) I had an expensive (Proceed) DVD transport which was also a great CD transport which I used with a DAC. For consumer audio/video playback, one does not see expensive DVD players at this point. In fact, except for portable players and really cheap DVD players, I have not seen a DVD player (vs. a Blu-Ray player) in a store in ages. There are those who mentioned they bought or wish they bought a spare BCD-1, and, while that may at first glance sound over the top, it may not be such a terrible idea. I'd imagine over time dedicated CD transport will likely become a rarer commodity than they are today. That is one of the things (besides higher resolution audio) that finally pushed me to go to file based playback. I sold the BCD-1 about the time James indicated the they have spare drives, but the drive is not longer made. I got the BCD-1 when it first came out (I think it was serial number 98) and had it perhaps 3 years. Often a drive manufacturer will only make a drive for short period of time (e.g. 7 years). By the time the drive gets to market and then a high end company makes a decision to make a dedicated CD player and starts making units, it is a very short window that the drive is available. The life of digital circuits is one reason Bryston changed their warranty policy about 8 years ago. It's just a fact of life. Now that I have file playback capability and definitely over 25,000 songs between all my media (and I still have to burn some discs) to me a CD only player is of no value as is expensive transports no matter how many formats they play. Burning CDs only was a snap with dbpoweramp.
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Very pleased my Oppo 83SE and 95 have been working flawless for yrs.
I like digital file players for the convenience but that is it,especially when things go wrong(and they do).
Have had one for about a year and its hard to enjoy it as you fear WTF is going to happen next.
If I wasn't used to the convenience I would have been just as happy with the BCD-1.
Really surprised at these NO MOVING PART digital players and yet they have tons of problems and a lot are more techy type hands on solvable problems,nothing the consumer can do.
I've yet to hear of a digital file player that is less prone to problems than a cdp or bluray player.
Have had all three and the Oppo's for NO down time are over the top and I'm sure there are more.
Less moving parts,who cares, if it doesn't play,I sure don't as my Turntable is more dependable :thumb:.
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Yes, all the companies I mentioned are European though some of them make their equipment overseas. But like I said, Japanese make brands make CD players as well.
I don't think my list is made irrelevant by the fact some of these players offer digital inputs. Those are the signs of our times but not exactly necessary and this is obvious for 2 reasons:
1. there are more companies that offer their CD players without digital inputs and
2. Naim, a brand directly comparable to Bryston in terms of pedigree and breeding (just very different in sound) doesn't even offer digital outputs on their players, confident in that their DACs are more than good enough
Bryston must have a good supply of electrical components for the BCD-1. I mean, they need to considering their extremely generous guarantees. Using a different optical drive and D/A chip might not involve significant investments in terms of research because they already built a strong foundation with the BCD-1. At least in my opinion.
Precisely for this reason, if Bryston wants to make a new CD player, then I completely endorse them! Making a CD player today is a bold move for companies of this size and should be welcomed with praise, not critique.
Some still quite appreciate the physical "relationship" with their music.
Cheers!
Antun
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If you have DSD files, the Oppo 103 can also supposedly do multi-channel DSD from an attached hard drive. I've tried 2-channel with no problem and I have a bunch of multi-channel files too but have not gotten around to try them. So I plan to use it for multi-channel DSD on the Opp and try playing a file at some point (I just put the hard drives on last week).
Here is some additional info. Oppo provides great support with their firmware updates. That is one reason it is a good platform for those that want to do more than CD:
http://www.stereophile.com/content/news-flash-oppo-now-plays-dsd-files
https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-10x-Firmware.aspx
Thanks for the additional info
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James,
How long before we see the release of the BOT? With the release of the BOT I would no longer need to buy a new CD player. I purchased a BDP-2 recently and use it in the 2 channel system. I moved my BDP-1 to the home theater. I would move my BCD-1 to the home theater once the BOT is released.
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James,
How long before we see the release of the BOT? With the release of the BOT I would no longer need to buy a new CD player. I purchased a BDP-2 recently and use it in the 2 channel system. I moved my BDP-1 to the home theater. I would move my BCD-1 to the home theater once the BOT is released.
We are hoping this fall for the BOT - we are still working on the software and hardware.
james
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We are hoping this fall for the BOT - we are still working on the software and hardware.
james
James, if Bryston does release the BOT, will you still be considering a CD player?
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Yes, all the companies I mentioned are European though some of them make their equipment overseas. But like I said, Japanese make brands make CD players as well.
I don't think my list is made irrelevant by the fact some of these players offer digital inputs. Those are the signs of our times but not exactly necessary and this is obvious for 2 reasons:
1. there are more companies that offer their CD players without digital inputs and
2. Naim, a brand directly comparable to Bryston in terms of pedigree and breeding (just very different in sound) doesn't even offer digital outputs on their players, confident in that their DACs are more than good enough Well said. :thumb:
Bryston must have a good supply of electrical components for the BCD-1. I mean, they need to considering their extremely generous guarantees. Using a different optical drive and D/A chip might not involve significant investments in terms of research because they already built a strong foundation with the BCD-1. At least in my opinion.
Precisely for this reason, if Bryston wants to make a new CD player, then I completely endorse them! Making a CD player today is a bold move for companies of this size and should be welcomed with praise, not critique.
Some still quite appreciate the physical "relationship" with their music.
Cheers!
Antun
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Yes according to James they held on to a good number of drives to address any future repairs to the bcd-1. I would think that would be the case for the new player as well. :thumb:
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James do you thing that the BR2 would work the new possible new player?
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James do you thing that the BR2 would work the new possible new player?
Yes the remote codes would be the same.
james
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:thumb: :thumb:
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Yes according to James they held on to a good number of drives to address any future repairs to the bcd-1. I would think that would be the case for the new player as well. :thumb:
May have to take advantage of that stockpile as my BCD-1 has been acting up more than ever.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=77488.new#new
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May have to take advantage of that stockpile as my BCD-1 has been acting up more than ever.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=77488.new#new
If anyone needs a spare player that they want to get there are 3 on Audiogon now too - http://app.audiogon.com/listings?utf8=%E2%9C%93&global_search_text=BCD-1
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If anyone needs a spare player that they want to get there are 3 on Audiogon now too - http://app.audiogon.com/listings?utf8=%E2%9C%93&global_search_text=BCD-1
Just left a voice message for Mike at Bryston, hopefully we'll get this resolved as I had it in for the same problem back in 2010 but it was very intermittent and not detected when it was on the bench. Anyway back on topic.
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Just left a voice message for Mike at Bryston, hopefully we'll get this resolved as I had it in for the same problem back in 2010 but it was very intermittent and not detected when it was on the bench. Anyway back on topic.
Any playback method (disc or files) can have glitches. There is nothing that is perfect. One thing with Bryston you don't have to worry about customer service problems.
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May have to take advantage of that stockpile as my BCD-1 has been acting up more than ever.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=77488.new#new
What is the nature of the problem ? :scratch:
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What is the nature of the problem ? :scratch:
Difficult to exactly describe the actual problem, way back when.. I thought it may have been due to a dirty disc, dust particles or whatever but visual inspection or playing over the suspect section of the disc did not repeat the aberration, but the symptomatic ”tick”, “pop” or most recently a “hiccup” which is a momentary interruption for a fraction of a second of the music and appears to be random and sometime effects every disc and some sessions are played flawlessly.
When I originally sent the BCD-1 to Bryston back in 2010 they had it on the bench for a few days and had given it a new firm-ware update and a clean bill of health.
James even offered to drive down to TO and swap out mine for his, and in hindsight I should have taken up his offer just to confirm if indeed my unit was playing games.
But most recently the glitch appears to be happening more frequently but still random, for example; currently I’m reviewing/comparing Sennheiser’s HD700 and HD800 headphones with the BCD-1 directly connected with balanced interconnects to the BHA-1, on Wednesday over a 3-4 hour session with every disc I experienced the above mentioned glitches, last night using the exact same selections of music over a similar time frame there was only one hiccup. ..so what’s the problem ??? good question!!! When it happens there are really no more than 2 or 3 per track but it is sure is irritating. :x
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Difficult to exactly describe the actual problem, way back when.. I thought it may have been due to a dirty disc, dust particles or whatever but visual inspection or playing over the suspect section of the disc did not repeat the aberration, but the symptomatic ”tick”, “pop” or most recently a “hiccup” which is a momentary interruption for a fraction of a second of the music and appears to be random and sometime effects every disc and some sessions are played flawlessly.
When I originally sent the BCD-1 to Bryston back in 2010 they had it on the bench for a few days and had given it a new firm-ware update and a clean bill of health.
James even offered to drive down to TO and swap out mine for his, and in hindsight I should have taken up his offer just to confirm if indeed my unit was playing games.
But most recently the glitch appears to be happening more frequently but still random, for example; currently I’m reviewing/comparing Sennheiser’s HD700 and HD800 headphones with the BCD-1 directly connected with balanced interconnects to the BHA-1, on Wednesday over a 3-4 hour session with every disc I experienced the above mentioned glitches, last night using the exact same selections of music over a similar time frame there was only one hiccup. ..so what’s the problem ??? good question!!! When it happens there are really no more than 2 or 3 per track but it is sure is irritating. :x
I am sorry to hear that Rob!
I think Bryston would be willing to help. BCD-1 is a spectacular machine and I regret not buying a demo sample at 40% the price. Have it looked at by Bryston and hang on to it.
I am happy you're liking the HD700 and HD800 though! Fabulous headphones! I am considering the HD700 even though I already own the HD800. Like with the BCD-1, I fear these are the best Sennheiser years and they will not come again.
Best wishes!
Antun
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I would think James and the gang could shed some light on this issue. It seems like a one off kind of thing. :scratch:
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I would think James and the gang could shed some light on this issue. It seems like a one off kind of thing. :scratch:
Yes its' new to me so I am thinking static build up or drive laser issues.
james
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I've had static issues in the past resulting in CDs or SACDs not playing properly or dust on a laser (if it is more than dust it may need to be replaced). I got one of those anti-static devices (forget which one - a bit bigger than a normal pen) and it helped and also helped when regular computer files could not be read. I've also done compressed air and have one of those CDs with a brush to clean the laser. It helped many moons ago.
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CDs with brushes and cleaning liquids are not a good idea. Laser assemblies were never meant to come in physical contact with foreign objects. I suspect these "saw ground" in tape machines because these, in point of fact, did need maintenance and this meant cleaning the heads, capstans and pinch rollers. Their "digital counterparts" never really benefitted from the same approach, not in my experience. But I think we're derailing the thread here...
James, if it is not a secret, how many of these CD players would you need to sell in order to make the project worthwhile?
Cheers!
Antun
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CDs with brushes and cleaning liquids are not a good idea. Laser assemblies were never meant to come in physical contact with foreign objects. I suspect these "saw ground" in tape machines because these, in point of fact, did need maintenance and this meant cleaning the heads, capstans and pinch rollers. Their "digital counterparts" never really benefitted from the same approach, not in my experience. But I think we're derailing the thread here...
James, if it is not a secret, how many of these CD players would you need to sell in order to make the project worthwhile?
Cheers!
Antun
Just ONE if it really sounds great :D
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Just ONE if it really sounds great :D
LOLs!!! I knew you were gonna say that! :green:
Hey, others want to know up-front whether they'll make mega-bucks or not even before they actually make something but you fellas, you do it from the heart! Good to know there are companies like that! :thumb:
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CDs with brushes and cleaning liquids are not a good idea.
Cheers!
Antun
Believe Phillips who makes drives knows about how to clean its parts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzpHtTU1S7U
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James,
If the new CD player eclipsed the playback performance of the Bryston DAC/player combo it would be worth considering.
If not then those that have converted their CD library and bought the DAC/player combo are benefiting from the higher performance sound, wonderful interface and its many conveniences not to mention adding favorite songs one at a time.
Gary
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James,
If the new CD player eclipsed the playback performance of the Bryston DAC/player combo it would be worth considering.
If not then those that have converted their CD library and bought the DAC/player combo are benefiting from the higher performance sound, wonderful interface and its many conveniences not to mention adding favorite songs one at a time.
Gary
Yes that's the way I saw it as well - the BOT for those that own the BDP-2 and the CD Player for those that prefer a straight ahead Redbook CD player.
james
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Just ONE if it really sounds great :D
That's what I love about Bryston James. The idea that it's not just about money ( although it has too be too) but about the idea of doing a good job on a product for it's own sake. looking forward to the possible new player :thumb: :thumb:
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Hi Guys
So here's an example of what I've been "recently" experiencing, this while play some "KraftwerK" this afternoon so I thought I'd record it. For the last six years it was just the odd random irritating "tick" which was present since when I first bought the BCD-1 new but it has now deteriorated to outright skipping which it has never done in all the time I've had it. Now if I eject the disc and then reinsert and play the same tracks everything is fine.
If you listen at around the 20 second mark, the loud tick that you hear is what I first experienced back in 2009 but would occur only once in awhile so obviously difficult to trouble shoot and Bryston service was unable to duplicate the problem so I just lived with until now.
But as I've said it's is very random and may play one day with no problems at all and then start up like it did today but randomly on every disc, but there is obviously a playback problem. Mike has given me a RMA# so I'll be sending out next week, hopefully it will act up when it's on the bench.
Skipping & Ticking
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/rob80b/th_MVI_1601_zpsc3695b22.mp4) (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/rob80b/MVI_1601_zpsc3695b22.mp4)
Eject disc, reinsert no skipping
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/rob80b/th_MVI_1602_zpsb38ebd75.mp4) (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/rob80b/MVI_1602_zpsb38ebd75.mp4)
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Believe Phillips who makes drives knows about how to clean its parts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzpHtTU1S7U
Philips made millions making drives, not maintaining them. They made so many in fact that they couldn't give toss about maintenance. This approach to cleaning cannot yield any positive results for two reasons:
1) The lens isn't a flat surface, it is a semi-dome with an elevated outer rim. This is to allow for proper light refraction because CD is a three-beam system. Now, the disc spins in a plane perpendicular to the lens' axis. In other words, something mounted on a disc cannot clean the lens because it cannot cover it's entire surface.
2) The lens radiates heat. This heat causes the surface of the lens to warm up. If the lens are dirty, this temperature literally bakes the dust particles and they remain on the surface. No spinning disc can clean this.
There is every chance this won't work and it never really did in my experience. There is every chance it will cause damage though because discs spin rather fast. This might work if linear speed of a disc was 1cm/s or less but this is obviously not the case. A properly stored CD player should have a long service life, providing the rest of the componentry is on par. If not, then servicing is available and if it is a matter of lens cleaning, you can do effetively by remoning the player's top cover.
James, a question for you sir. If you decided to make this new CD player, would you keep the single-DAC configuration or would you change it to a dual-DAC one like in your BDA series DACs?
I have talked to some local audiophiles and they say BCD-1 sounds better than BDA-1. I find that hard to believe considering BDA-1 is an obviously more elaborate topology and that was certainly not the Stereophile's conclusion.
Cheers!
Antun
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Philips made millions making drives, not maintaining them. They made so many in fact that they couldn't give toss about maintenance. This approach to cleaning cannot yield any positive results for two reasons:
1) The lens isn't a flat surface, it is a semi-dome with an elevated outer rim. This is to allow for proper light refraction because CD is a three-beam system. Now, the disc spins in a plane perpendicular to the lens' axis. In other words, something mounted on a disc cannot clean the lens because it cannot cover it's entire surface.
2) The lens radiates heat. This heat causes the surface of the lens to warm up. If the lens are dirty, this temperature literally bakes the dust particles and they remain on the surface. No spinning disc can clean this.
There is every chance this won't work and it never really did in my experience. There is every chance it will cause damage though because discs spin rather fast. This might work if linear speed of a disc was 1cm/s or less but this is obviously not the case. A properly stored CD player should have a long service life, providing the rest of the componentry is on par. If not, then servicing is available and if it is a matter of lens cleaning, you can do effetively by remoning the player's top cover.
James, a question for you sir. If you decided to make this new CD player, would you keep the single-DAC configuration or would you change it to a dual-DAC one like in your BDA series DACs?
I have talked to some local audiophiles and they say BCD-1 sounds better than BDA-1. I find that hard to believe considering BDA-1 is an obviously more elaborate topology and that was certainly not the Stereophile's conclusion.
Cheers!
Antun
Hi Antun
The advantage a CD player has over an external DAC is you know exactly what signal is coming from the disc (44.1KHz and 16Bit). So you can optimize the DAC and Clock etc for that specific digital signal - whereas an external DAC has no idea what is coming in so you have to reclock and resample the digital input. This may explain why some prefer CD players to the external DACs and typically the jitter numbers will be slightly lower in a CD Player because the resampling and reclocking is not required.
I think this is why the BDP Player has been so popular with our BDP-2 DAC as the jitter numbers with this combo are below 8 picoseconds.
james
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Hi Guys
So here's an example of what I've been "recently" experiencing, this while play some "KraftwerK" this afternoon so I thought I'd record it. For the last six years it was just the odd random irritating "tick" which was present since when I first bought the BCD-1 new but it has now deteriorated to outright skipping which it has never done in all the time I've had it. Now if I eject the disc and then reinsert and play the same tracks everything is fine.
If you listen at around the 20 second mark, the loud tick that you hear is what I first experienced back in 2009 but would occur only once in awhile so obviously difficult to trouble shoot and Bryston service was unable to duplicate the problem so I just lived with until now.
But as I've said it's is very random and may play one day with no problems at all and then start up like it did today but randomly on every disc, but there is obviously a playback problem. Mike has given me a RMA# so I'll be sending out next week, hopefully it will act up when it's on the bench.
Skipping & Ticking
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/rob80b/th_MVI_1601_zpsc3695b22.mp4) (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/rob80b/MVI_1601_zpsc3695b22.mp4)
Eject disc, reinsert no skipping
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/rob80b/th_MVI_1602_zpsb38ebd75.mp4) (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/rob80b/MVI_1602_zpsb38ebd75.mp4)
Perhaps an alignment issue with the drive and the laser?
I know I'm grasping at straws here, but what's it sitting on? Have you tried moving the CD player to it's own shelf?
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you could have a point here, i know i was surprised at how sensitive the BCD1 was to external movement. Even the smallest of touches makes it skip.
Sounds great though :thumb: :thumb: The BDA/BDP combo certainly didn't beat it.
Marius
Perhaps an alignment issue with the drive and the laser?
I know I'm grasping at straws here, but what's it sitting on? Have you tried moving the CD player to it's own shelf?
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Hi Guys
The skipping and what you hear in the video is totally new and just started recently; it’s the audible random loud “tick” which I’ve had since buying it new. I could be listening to any type of music and it would happen and not repeatable.
But to recap, at the start I just assumed it was some form of error correction encountering a fingerprint, dust or what have you, visual inspection of the disc showed nothing, and a quick rewind when it did occur would not repeat it. I also thought it could possibly be related to a faulty component, capacitor etc, not just with BCD-1 but possibly the BP25P or even the 4BSST, but trying it directly connected to my headphone amps the problem reoccurred and therefore eliminating any down stream components.
Bryston’s service was unable to repeat the problem nor did it show up after being a few days on the bench. Anyway that was back in 2009/2010 and the problem has continued at my end, and as the video shows it is now much worse and makes using this BCD-1 frustrating and at time unusable, its now in the hands of Bryston’s service as we speak so I’m hoping the gremlins show up there.
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James;
Assuming that Bryston decides to go ahead with the BCD-X, when would you anticipate them being available?
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James;
Assuming that Bryston decides to go ahead with the BCD-X, when would you anticipate them being available?
Late fall would be my guess.
james
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So 2014 Christmas gift to self is possible? :green:
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Put me on that Xmas list too. :xmas:
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I can see unit 1 under my tree.
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Ditto!
BCD-X in Black with blue lighting.
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
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BCD² :thumb:
Be well...
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James;
Would the new BCD come with the BR-2 or would it be an option?
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James;
Would the new BCD come with the BR-2 or would it be an option?
I assume we would include the remote but then again many of our customers probably already have one so maybe the option works best.
james
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Late fall would be my guess.
james
Heck my BCD-1’s currently in service, maybe I could be the guinea pig, I’ll sign a release form and even/or a nondisclosure form and get them to retrofit the prototype dac and drive. :idea: :shh:
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Heck my BCD-1’s currently in service, maybe I could be the guinea pig, I’ll sign a release form and even/or a nondisclosure form and get them to retrofit the prototype dac and drive. :idea: :shh:
That is so noble and courageous of you. Yes, take one for the team. :lol:
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I assume we would include the remote but then again many of our customers probably already have one so maybe the option works best.
james
Good point, I like the option….since I already having a BR-2.
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James,
you should include the BR2. who would want a player without a remote...
al.
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Remote optional, please. Already purchased the BR2 for the BDP-2 (and, likely, the BOT-1).
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
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Again, I agree with Rich. I'd rather see you keep the cost of the unit down and make the remote optional. Several people already have a remote (Bryston or programmable). For those who don't, they can buy it separate. No need to increase the cost.
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Remote optional, please. Already purchased the BR2 for the BDP-2 (and, likely, the BOT-1).
Rich
+1 :thumb:
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Remote optional is good, I have two already :lol:
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James can you give us a pictorial idea of what the new cd player might appear like ? :P
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James can you give us a pictorial idea of what the new cd player might appear like ? :P
Sorry - I can not at this point as we are still looking at DAC's and layout and deciding on the feasibility of the project.
james
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I have been following the sale of silver BCD's on Audiogon and other places for some months now. I'm always impressed with how fast they sell. The last sold in two days. A testament to the ongoing popularity of the unit. I had thought about buying the unit , but I'm convinced Mr. Tanner and company with have a new BCD available by years end.
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..and it better be available in black ..... :lol: :thumb:
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I'm ready to order: black with blue lighting!
Go, James!
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
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..and balanced outs, or was that mentioned before :scratch: :lol:
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James, might it be possible to build the USB-out functionality of the BOT-1 into the BCD player? This could be a valuable feature setting the player apart from the competition.
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
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Why??
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Why??
To avoid duplication of components by giving the BCD-X the functionality of the BOT-1. It would eliminate two components in the stack (BOT and its power supply) and avoid redundancy of function. For BDP owners who still want the convenience of a standalone CD player, the USB out could provide a path to rip CDs without involving a computer.
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
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About six months ago I would have been very interested. I run mostly digital files off a solid state drive. I got tired of not having time to rip my new CDs as I work about 70 hours a week. Being that my entire office system was Bryston, minus the speakers, I looked high and low for a BCD – 1. I could not find one new anywhere and finally settled for a used BCD - 1 on Audiogon.
I guess my answer is yes, I would be interested for future purchases.
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CD player with no remote makes no sense. It is still a traditional audio component and people expect to see a remote and batteries included. Personally, I would have found it awkward to open the box and see there is no remote. Now, I have other Bryston components, even though I do not have a BR2 yet, so I am familiar with their policy of a universal remote but many people aren't. People like to play at safe so they buy a preamp and power amp from the same manufacturer but they don't necessarily buy a CD player of the same make. In the end, BCD-1 was a popular player with customers who don't necessarily own a Bryston system. It is never a good idea to exclude those customers by not including a remote control. We're lazy and it's considered mandatory.
While you'd be paying a few hundred bucks more even though you already have one, you have to remember the person who bought the player and spent several thousand bucks and still doesn't have it.
Make the player a little bit pricier but do include the remote control. Just my opinion.
Cheers!
Antun
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How would anyone be excluded? You either order a BCD with a remote or without. The list on a BR2 is 350.00, hardly an inexpensive item. Doubtfully if Bryston will throw in a 350.00 remote as a free be.
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How would anyone be excluded? You either order a BCD with a remote or without. The list on a BR2 is 350.00, hardly an inexpensive item. Doubtfully if Bryston will throw in a 350.00 remote as a free be.
Hi!
If you intend to spend roughly 3500 Euro on a CD player, then an additional 300 will hardly kill you. On the other hand, if you aren't familiar with Bryston, their policy of charging you an extra for the remote control might leave a somewhat bitter taste. Be assured this is precisely how a new customer would see it.
Cheers!
Antun
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The BR-2 operates several Bryston units and not supplied with those units. It doesn't seem to have damaged the Bryston brand.
Be well
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Hi!
If you intend to spend roughly 3500 Euro on a CD player, then an additional 300 will hardly kill you. On the other hand, if you aren't familiar with Bryston, their policy of charging you an extra for the remote control might leave a somewhat bitter taste. Be assured this is precisely how a new customer would see it.
Cheers!
Antun
The solution to your observation from Bryston's (or any other business's) perspective would be to market the player with the BR2 included priced in accordance with the business model. You then offer a separate alternate SKU that excludes the BR2 at a lower price for those that already have one. This is not unlike the original BHA-1 offer where those who already have the MPS-2 could order it without the internal power supply for a few hundred less.
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I don't think a remote is a deal killer (I would think that those opting for a CD player would be happy for stand along player being that very few are making them now and that number is dwindling so if Bryston decides to do it be thankful). One could buy a Harmony Remote for $80 or buy a learning universal remote cheaper and perhaps Bryston could just supply codes. I personally never used the remote when I had my BCD-1 except when I was doing audio comparisons a couple of times a year (for example comparing playback in different players or via a DAC). Likewise, when I had my BDA-1, I never needed a remote as I had the Harmony Remote.
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Fellas, I completely agree that it would be sensible to have the remote as an option, but other customers who don't own or know Bryston won't feel the same way.
In the end, I hope they do make a BCD-2 or all the words will go in vain! :green:
Cheers!
Antun
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If Bryston decides to make a CD player, perhaps James might be open to an option for a discount (e.g. 10%, 15%, 20%) on a remote purchased directly from Bryston within 6 months of the date of the sale of a CD player? That might help take away the objection of some and give them time to either try a universal remote or send in a copy of their CD player receipt (from an authorized dealer) within 6 months of purchasing the CD player.
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In the end, I hope they do make a BCD-2 or all the words will go in vain! :green:
Cheers!
Antun
From your lips to J. Tanners ears!
No matter how you word it…..Two choices: One with, one without…without costs less. Everybody is happy.
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From your lips to J. Tanners ears!
No matter how you word it…..Two choices: One with, one without…without costs less. Everybody is happy.
Ok folks thats the way we will do it - Player comes 'with' remote unless you specify otherwise.
james
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Hooooray, let's have a drink on that
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104256)
:thumb:
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Ok folks thats the way we will do it - Player comes 'with' remote unless you specify otherwise.
james
Splendid!!! It will be a superb CD player!!! :thumb:
I was planning on purchasing a CD player next year and now it seems there is only option for me and all other manufacturers fall into the water. I yield and I ain't complainin'!
Cheers!
Antun
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Ok folks thats the way we will do it - Player comes 'with' remote unless you specify otherwise.
james
...i knew it :thumb:
al.
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Wonder what the cost difference will be?
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Hi Rich
Were you affected by the earthquake?
james
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Hi Rich
Were you affected by the earthquake?
james
Just saw the news... Are you fellas okay over there in the Napa Valley?
Let us know Rich!
Cheers!
Antun
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... oh my god...an earthquake?? shit, i should check the news :duh:
to anyone out there and if you should be affected - we are with you!
al.
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Thanks, James, Antun, and Al for your kind posts.
I'm sorry to delay in responding. We've been without power until this evening and haven't had cell or landline phone service, hence no internet access.
My wife and I are okay. The house seems structurally sound but we'll need an inspection to be sure. Inside, the devastation is severe. The floors were a sea of debris. glass and china in the kitchen, furniture tipped over everywhere, our Paradigm S8 and S4 speakers destroyed. But it's just stuff. It looks like we may be hoping for the Model Ts sooner than expected. ;~}
Luckily, our Bryston gear is safe. The 6B was hanging off its shelf about 8' from the floor, but I was able to push it back into place. The 4Bs seem undamaged, as is the SP3; The BDP2 and BDA2 moved around quite a bit, but they seem okay. I'll be able to check the functionality of the gear in a day or two. It will take quite awhile to get things in order and repair and replace the many damaged items, but we're not injured, and that's the important thing.
Being native San Franciscans, we've been through many quakes, well into the 7 range on the Richter scale, but none so severe or so long as this major jolt, as we're very close to the (heretofore not identified) fault line. While it's pegged as a 6.1 right now, the quake felt like an 8. Aftershocks may be expected for a week, so we may be in for more of a ride.
Thanks for your thoughtfulness,
Rich
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Shaky Napa Valley
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Thanks, James, Antun, and Al for your kind posts.
I'm sorry to delay in responding. We've been without power until this evening and haven't had cell or landline phone service, hence no internet access.
My wife and I are okay. The house seems structurally sound but we'll need an inspection to be sure. Inside, the devastation is severe. The floors were a sea of debris. glass and china in the kitchen, furniture tipped over everywhere, our Paradigm S8 and S4 speakers destroyed. But it's just stuff. It looks like we may be hoping for the Model Ts sooner than expected. ;~}
Luckily, our Bryston gear is safe. The 6B was hanging off its shelf about 8' from the floor, but I was able to push it back into place. The 4Bs seem undamaged, as is the SP3; The BDP2 and BDA2 moved around quite a bit, but they seem okay. I'll be able to check the functionality of the gear in a day or two. It will take quite awhile to get things in order and repair and replace the many damaged items, but we're not injured, and that's the important thing.
Being native San Franciscans, we've been through many quakes, well into the 7 range on the Richter scale, but none so severe or so long as this major jolt, as we're very close to the (heretofore not identified) fault line. While it's pegged as a 6.1 right now, the quake felt like an 8. Aftershocks may be expected for a week, so we may be in for more of a ride.
Thanks for your thoughtfulness,
Rich
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Shaky Napa Valley
Thank God you're okay!
Things can be replaced, people cannot. It's not much of a comfort but it is enough. During the war in Yugoslavia I learned an important lesson, even if I was but a school kid and it is that the only thing that matters is us, the people. So I am thrilled to hear from you!
Hope you can repair the damage and continue with your lives quickly.
Best,
Antun
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Hi Rich
My thoughts are with you.
james
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Glad to read you are ok Rich and that you still have a sense of humour!
Get those Model Ts ordered! :D
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Boardin' the quake!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104420)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104421)
Thanks, gents. I appreciate your generous comments.
It will take several weeks for cleanup, since our west Napa neighborhood and downtown were the hardest-hit areas. Since earthquake insurance is prohibitive in California, few people have any coverage; thus, it will take months or years to recover. A block or two away, a house shook off its foundation, as a fault line ran across the street and under the house. This was the case with several homes, some of relatively recent build from the eighties or later. Our place seems safe structurally, but the contents are pretty well trashed.
Yep, BrystonFan, I'll get those Mr. T's as soon as I can, and the rest of a 7.2 set of Bryston speakers. James, does the twenty-year warranty cover earthquakes? :green: Also, what is the Bryston Disaster Discount? :scratch:
Here are some photos from the local media; the first link is a good overview:
http://abc7news.com/news/bay-area-earthquake-destroys-70-buildings-in-napa/279813/#gallery-1
http://napavalleyregister.com/gallery/photos-napa-earthquake/collection_f47add6c-a63a-50fe-8816-c07383dd6400.html#19
http://napavalleyregister.com/gallery/quake-damage-extensive/collection_8e8395b1-6e38-5d0f-8926-5bf561bbb451.html#17
http://napavalleyregister.com/gallery/photos-napa-earthquake-day-two/collection_d6166ed6-2f4c-52ae-a678-b2e7e095754f.html#8
http://napavalleyregister.com/special-section/napa-quake/interactive-napa-valley-earthquake/html_21d3eaf5-a355-50ba-bb84-c3c0281f8450.html
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Napa-homes-burning-after-Northern-California-5708833.php
http://www.sacbee.com/2014/08/24/6650974/60-earthquake-hits-napa.html
Best to all, and thanks for your thoughts.
Rich
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104441)
Though this photo is oriented correctly on my iMac, it's uploading incorrectly. Oh, well, lean your head, eh?
Rich
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Shakin' Napa Valley
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Though this photo is oriented correctly on my iMac, it's uploading incorrectly. Oh, well, lean your head, eh?
Just go to Gallery > Manage my albums >
Click on the album, then click on the image
Rotate left and Rotate right buttons take effect immediately
Steve
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Thanks for the tip, Steve. I tried this several times, alas to no avail. The image shows the proper orientation on the editing page thumbnail, but when I view it, the image is 90 degrees off. Odd, eh?
Rich
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I think it's just a matter of you needing to refresh your browser. The photo is orientated correctly now.
Steve
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Thanks, Steve.
Rich
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Rich, that's AWFUL! I'm so sorry. I've been through similar damage and appreciate the frustration. I'm so glad to hear you and your family were unharmed, and it's good news the home is structurally sound. Hopefully this quake took pressure off the faults and Napa can rest easy.
In an effort to be funny... HOW ARE THE GRAPE VINES??? Harvest is coming soon! :)
- Garrett
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The vines are smiling, Garrett. :D
Thanks for your kind post. Other than cuts and bruises, mainly from cleanup, I'm doing okay. Our neighbors were away at the time, and I picked them up from SF International Airport on Tuesday. My wife and I had taken photos and cleaned their place as best we could, but my heart sank to tell them of the extensive damage. We probably have $30-50K in personal property loss, as well as damage to cars, so it will take awhile to recover. The structure looks to be okay, but I need to get an engineer to do a thorough inspection, as several homes in our area have been red tagged.
The loss of my Paradigm Reference Signature S8s and S4s will give me an opportunity to step up to Mr. T's speakers. Gotta look on the bright side, eh?
How are you enjoying your SP3? A great piece of kit, no? And I really like the dealer, far better service than any in my area.
Best,
Rich
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The vines are smiling, Garrett. :D
Thanks for your kind post. Other than cuts and bruises, mainly from cleanup, I'm doing okay. Our neighbors were away at the time, and I picked them up from SF International Airport on Tuesday. My wife and I had taken photos and cleaned their place as best we could, but my heart sank to tell them of the extensive damage. We probably have $30-50K in personal property loss, as well as damage to cars, so it will take awhile to recover. The structure looks to be okay, but I need to get an engineer to do a thorough inspection, as several homes in our area have been red tagged.
The loss of my Paradigm Reference Signature S8s and S4s will give me an opportunity to step up to Mr. T's speakers. Gotta look on the bright side, eh?
How are you enjoying your SP3? A great piece of kit, no? And I really like the dealer, far better service than any in my area.
Best,
Rich
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Hi Rich!
Seeing things postively after a catastrophe is a rare virtue. I admire that!
Cheers!
Antun
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The vines are smiling, Garrett. :D
Thanks for your kind post. Other than cuts and bruises, mainly from cleanup, I'm doing okay. Our neighbors were away at the time, and I picked them up from SF International Airport on Tuesday. My wife and I had taken photos and cleaned their place as best we could, but my heart sank to tell them of the extensive damage. We probably have $30-50K in personal property loss, as well as damage to cars, so it will take awhile to recover. The structure looks to be okay, but I need to get an engineer to do a thorough inspection, as several homes in our area have been red tagged.
The loss of my Paradigm Reference Signature S8s and S4s will give me an opportunity to step up to Mr. T's speakers. Gotta look on the bright side, eh?
How are you enjoying your SP3? A great piece of kit, no? And I really like the dealer, far better service than any in my area.
Best,
Rich
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Reading your posts just reaffirms that I just don't have a good grasp of what Napa residents are going through. And as Antun commented, I'm in awe of your ability to keep a positive outlook. :thumb:
I won't get to set up the SP3 until next week. The anticipation is driving me nuts! I'll let ya know as soon as I get it going.
- Garrett
PS - glad to hear the vines are in high spirits too! :)
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Hi Guys
So here's an example of what I've been "recently" experiencing, this while play some "KraftwerK" this afternoon so I thought I'd record it. For the last six years it was just the odd random irritating "tick" which was present since when I first bought the BCD-1 new but it has now deteriorated to outright skipping which it has never done in all the time I've had it. Now if I eject the disc and then reinsert and play the same tracks everything is fine.
If you listen at around the 20 second mark, the loud tick that you hear is what I first experienced back in 2009 but would occur only once in awhile so obviously difficult to trouble shoot and Bryston service was unable to duplicate the problem so I just lived with until now.
But as I've said it's is very random and may play one day with no problems at all and then start up like it did today but randomly on every disc, but there is obviously a playback problem. Mike has given me a RMA# so I'll be sending out next week, hopefully it will act up when it's on the bench.
Skipping & Ticking
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/rob80b/th_MVI_1601_zpsc3695b22.mp4) (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/rob80b/MVI_1601_zpsc3695b22.mp4)
Eject disc, reinsert no skipping
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/rob80b/th_MVI_1602_zpsb38ebd75.mp4) (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/rob80b/MVI_1602_zpsb38ebd75.mp4)
Finally!!! Got my BCD-1 back from service earlier this week and I am furious (LOL), besides the random ticking that drove me crazy for the last 5 years I did not notice how bad the overall sound had actually deteriorated (due to a faulty drive mechanism if I'm not mistaken) but I'm glad to say I’m now once more experiencing the playback I once appreciated way back when :hyper:. I’m just upset I actually missed its full potential for all that time.(guess I should have screamed a little louder and I definitely do not miss those random ticks :bawl: )
Anyway back to listening to music. :D
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Folks,
I have hit a bit of a road block here.
Do most of you feel that a CD Player will out-perform a dedicated computer based systems like our BDP and BDA?
james
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Folks,
I have hit a bit of a road block here.
Do most of you feel that a CD Player will out-perform a dedicated computer based systems like our BDP and BDA?
james
I say it depends on the DACS used, the transport and laser quality, the build quality, will your CD player provide a USB input, what formats will it support and cost structure vs a computer based system. There are those that feel CD is a dead medium and a $400 player is all that's needed. You should get a lot of opinions
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If the same DACS are used as in the BDA then I don't see how it could be better or worse just it's equal. In theory if one thinks there will some minor degradation due to connecting another device in the signal chain i.e. connecting the BDP to the BDA then there might be some small advantage to having an all in one box like a CD player.
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Since I have had the BCD-1 for six years and have had only one hiccup with it,I'd vote for the BCD-1.
BUT,since having the BDP-2,the sound is just as if not better than the BCD-1.
I also had the BDA-1 dac and use to compare the BCD to the BDA dac(hard pressed to hear a difference).
The BDP-2 and BDA-2 are so much more convenient especially if you have to look thru a few hundred cds for one song.
the BDP-2 whether I'm upstairs or down I can make long playlists of exactly what I want to hear :thumb:
I know I've had a few troubles with my BDP-2,which did piss me off as I like listening to music a lot.
For me a CDP seems so Neanderthal now compared to the BDP's,seems I can't be without out it as I use to really depend on the BCD-1 heavily for playback.
Would I buy another cdp,NO as in an emergency I can use my Oppos for back up and try to find that one song out of 540 cd's.
I will(just in case buy another BDP )as it is just sounds to good.
Plus the CONVENIENCE of selecting songs and making a list to satisfy hrs of exactly of what I want to hear without going through all those cds.
Reminds of going thr a few hundred LPS for one cut :nono:,which I might spin twice a yr if I'm lucky on a 11,000 TT and PH stage.
BDP's are the Cat's as for me and I never thought of giving up my BCD-1,gee thanks Robert :lol:.
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I will always prefer the one piece players over any computer system. Hope Bryston will proceed with plans to make an even finer unit than the BCD-1 . :thumb:
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For me a CDP seems so Neanderthal now compared to the BDP's,
I'd concur. I had a BDA-1 and BCD-1 at one point and a modded Oppo BDP-83 (which I still have in a back-up system). Playing CDs either straight through the BCD-1 vs. through either transport I would be hard pressed to tell any difference. I used the modded Oppo with an HDMI de-embedder at one point (to do 24/88.2 from SACD into the BDA-1) and preferred listening to SACDs that way vs. the modded player (although there were positives and negatives), not to mention the Oppo will do 24/192 via the coax out on DVD-As too. After going to file based playback, I rarely ever use a disc (for me personally perhaps not even once a year in the main system and perhaps a few times a year in one back-up system and maybe once a month in the system with the old modded BDP-83) and will usually only do so when someone wants to hear music they have on disc with them. With a large collection of music (both hi-rez and CDs), it is so much easier via file playback and a CD player (at least a conventional one) can only do CDs.
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Folks,
I have hit a bit of a road block here.
Do most of you feel that a CD Player will out-perform a dedicated computer based systems like our BDP and BDA?
james
Outperform, no, James. Hi-res files through the BDP/BDA are spectacular. But where a standalone player would shine is in convenience and accessibility. Not everyone wants a computer-based system. Consider the nature and extent of very techie questions on the BDP threads, and the strength of many participants' technical abilities. Many, if not most, of these questions are non-issues with a standalone CD player.
Don't forget the WAF as well; the ability to turn on the gear, slip in a disc, and have music going quickly is valuable to a family's enjoyment of the audio system. While I might play a CD using the BOT-1 through my BDP-2, my wife will not want to do this. The ability to use the CD player's DAC independent of its transport might appeal to both file geeks and disc fans.
As mav52 notes, quality is an issue; how many excellent dedicated CD players remain beyond the unaffordable high end and the mid-priced mediocre spread? If Bryston pursues this product, we can be confident of quality and a strong price-performance ratio.
Rich
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Don't forget the WAF as well; the ability to turn on the gear, slip in a disc, and have music going quickly is valuable to a family's enjoyment of the audio system.
Rich
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Yes - I agree for those who have more than one user in the household the simplicity of slipping in a disc is definitely important. It is not an issue for me and would never be as I have multiple systems and also would not want someone not comfortable turning on my main system anyway. For a casual user, a simpler system is better anyway.
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James, I'm not sure you could top the BDP-2/BDA-2. The sound quality is amazing and once someone masters the media player in the BDP-1/2 the convenience is hard to beat. Yes there are some bugs but they are a minor inconvenience.
I don't think I played my BDC-1 once in the last 6 months. I believe the last time I played the BDC-1 was a comparison test with several friends. Granted this was a casual listening experiment yet everyone choose the BDP-1/BDA-2.
The BOT is what I'm interested in along with DSD and the Hard drive system/enclosure's Bryston talking about. However a new CD player that could play SACD and Blue Ray would certainly grab my attention.
I do believe there is a market for a new CD player. Some people enjoy the convenience of just playing a disc. Others might never buy into computer audio. I just think you need to take a look at the feature's that you would include in a new player.
Bryston is famous for making fantastic audio at reasonable prices. Why not a statement DAC, BDA-3 for about $5000? :thumb:
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BCD-2 for Christmas 2014 James! :thumb:
Do it for all the WAFs and simple drop & play fans too.
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Do most of you feel that a CD Player will out-perform a dedicated computer based systems like our BDP and BDA?
That would depend on the CD player, of course. I've certainly heard some that do. Also, others which do not.
Now... about that word "neanderthal" which is starting to get tossed around in this thread :
The convenience aspect of going to a computer-based system has obvious appeal providing that you are willing and able to deal with keeping it up and running but I also know people who have gone back to CD players from computer-based audio systems and enjoyed an improvement in sound. Are these people "neanderthals" ? Or are they more high-evolved audiophiles who are unwilling to trade ultimate sound quality for convenience ? It's all a matter of perspective, priority and opinion. Throwing around words which are obviously inflammatory and potentially insulting does not make the computer-audio set sound more evolved than the people here who have chosen a different path, but it certainly makes them sound kinda elitist.
The fact that our host is re-considering Bryston's relatively recent exit from the CD-player market should inform some people here that they may not necessarily be adhering to the One True Faith after all so let's respect each other's views here, shall we?
D.D.
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Computer based systems have absolutely no appeal to me. I come from a generation that loves to" put on a record" when listening to music. Having an even finer player than my bc-1 from Bryston remains a hope and a thrill to me. As it has been mentioned earlier,not everyone is computer savvy enough to bother with the complexities of computers and just want a really good record player (whether digital or analogue) :dance:.
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That would depend on the CD player, of course. I've certainly heard some that do. Also, others which do not.
Now... about that word "neanderthal" which is starting to get tossed around in this thread :
The convenience aspect of going to a computer-based system has obvious appeal providing that you are willing and able to deal with keeping it up and running but I also know people who have gone back to CD players from computer-based audio systems and enjoyed an improvement in sound. Are these people "neanderthals" ? Or are they more high-evolved audiophiles who are unwilling to trade ultimate sound quality for convenience ? It's all a matter of perspective, priority and opinion. Throwing around words which are obviously inflammatory and potentially insulting does not make the computer-audio set sound more evolved than the people here who have chosen a different path, but it certainly makes them sound kinda elitist. Very well said...... :thumb: :thumb:
The fact that our host is re-considering Bryston's relatively recent exit from the CD-player market should inform some people here that they may not necessarily be adhering to the One True Faith after all so let's respect each other's views here, shall we?
D.D.
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James , I hope you can still go with the new player. Not much else has interested me in audio other than the possibility of a another preamp (BP27) :D. My money is going for the BCD2x even though that may make me a neanderthal. :lol:.
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That would depend on the CD player, of course. I've certainly heard some that do. Also, others which do not.
Now... about that word "neanderthal" which is starting to get tossed around in this thread :
The convenience aspect of going to a computer-based system has obvious appeal providing that you are willing and able to deal with keeping it up and running but I also know people who have gone back to CD players from computer-based audio systems and enjoyed an improvement in sound. Are these people "neanderthals" ? Or are they more high-evolved audiophiles who are unwilling to trade ultimate sound quality for convenience ? It's all a matter of perspective, priority and opinion. Throwing around words which are obviously inflammatory and potentially insulting does not make the computer-audio set sound more evolved than the people here who have chosen a different path, but it certainly makes them sound kinda elitist.
The fact that our host is re-considering Bryston's relatively recent exit from the CD-player market should inform some people here that they may not necessarily be adhering to the One True Faith after all so let's respect each other's views here, shall we?
D.D.
+1 Diamond Dog. I agree with you 99%. Posters here as well as anywhere else who find it necessary to support their way of thinking using inflammatory modifiers sound juvenile to me and not elitist. Invariably this rhetoric throws an otherwise spirited thread off the track.
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The way that we all enjoy to listen to music has been changed a lot and continues to change.
Some lived short and some lived longer. But if manufactures do not cut corners to make the red book CDs and do it right, we would not be here today to look for different solution as the source material like HI-RES or SACD.
Perhaps, the red book CDs could be the audiophiles best friend ever.
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+1 Diamond Dog. I agree with you 99%. Posters here as well as anywhere else who find it necessary to support their way of thinking using inflammatory modifiers sound juvenile to me and not elitist. Invariably this rhetoric throws an otherwise spirited thread off the track.
+2 Diamond Dog
I guess I'm older than dirt as I still enjoy my vinyl but the key it's about the music not what you listen to it on. You can do redbook right, vinyl right and hi-rez right but you can also do each wrong with poor equipment and poor material ( be it poorly recorded; LP's, downloads and CD's)
Whatever James ends up doing, I know he will do it right...
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+2 Diamond Dog
I guess I'm older than dirt as I still enjoy my vinyl but the key it's about the music not what you listen to it on. You can do redbook right, vinyl right and hi-rez right but you can also do each wrong with poor equipment and poor material ( be it poorly recorded; LP's, downloads and CD's)
Whatever James ends up doing, I know he will do it right...
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Bryston has asked for feedback on the resumption of BCD production. It would be interesting to hear from Bryston why they are struggling with the decision. Has the computer approach so supplanted the CD player that the short and long tern financials for Red Book don't make sense? Is it an optics problem, in that Bryston does not want to be seen as anything less that forward looking and cutting edge when it comes to music reproduction? We were told when the BCD was discontinued that is was because of the availability of the drives. I don't think it unreasonable to assume that the BCD would still be in production had the drive issue not arisen. If that is the case and a market still exists for an excellent reasonably priced CD player, then the decision seems fairly straight forward.
As for me I want an additional CD player, I prefer it to be a BCD-X. However, I'll buy what's on the market. With regard to the BCD vs BDP, I have heard both in the same system and yes there is a difference, but not enough to drive me to a BDP. Personal preferences aside the computer approach simply does not make sense for me. I'm sure that is true for many of use. Why can you not produce both?
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I think it is a good thing that Bryston is soliciting feedback from potential customers. It's not really hard to figure out why the decision is a struggle. Sales of physical CDs are rapidly shrinking - http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/digital-and-mobile/5901188/cd-album-sales-fall-behind-album-downloads-is-2014-the and have been for some time. This trend will likely continue as CD players are disappearing from vehicles:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/08/04/cd-players-cars-disappear/2601827/
http://www.edmunds.com/car-technology/the-car-cd-player-deathwatch.html
http://www.autotrader.com/research/article/car-reviews/225860/buying-a-car-disappearing-car-features.jsp
Noted in the above links - "For example, CD players may soon be a thing of the past. Thanks to music downloading and Bluetooth streaming audio, CDs are ready to enter the technology museum. Of the cars available in 2014, it's becoming harder to find CD players as standard equipment. As an example, the 2014 Chevrolet Sonic doesn't even list one as an option."
I've noted earlier, I understand why some prefer the simplicity and ease of plopping in a disc for various reasons. I was not an early adopter of digital. However, at this point to me personally a plain old CD player is not something I'd even consider in any of my spare systems. When I started not using the CD players in the vehicles (and I have a bunch of CD-Rs I made so that I would not have to leave my precious music in a harsh environment), I finally started looking at options for digitizing my music (and have a little bit to go). Yes, it was a huge pain to me at first but now I could never go back. I even have my DSD files ripped and continue to rip them as I buy new music.
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Phil, that's all terrific information and it's apparent that you see yourself in the vanguard, heading towards a brave new age. Fine and dandy.
That being said, the fact remains that this is a thread about CD players, not about your apparent aversion to them. There are still bazillions of CD's around, they are still the leading physical media by a huge margin and people here are interested in Bryston potentially making another unit to play them. It really doesn't concern you, based on the positions you've repeatedly put forward and that's fine, too. But the thread is about CD players. What's with the thread-crapping? You can't spin an LP in a car either. Why don't you go over to the Vinyl Circle and see how far you get with your argument there?
Can we please stay focused on the topic?
James, is your thought to use the same DAC chip that you're using in the BDA-2 if you move forward with this project?
D.D.
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I have no aversion to CD players (attacking my view will not change the facts - I am fine with any other opinions and could care less). My only point relates to the reality that CD sales vs. digital downloads and streaming services have not been doing well. Auto manufacturers are already getting rid of CD players which can only mean that that the demand for discs vs. those other forms of music will decline more rapidly. As the demand for CD discs decline, this can lead to other actions from record labels. For those that think there will be no changes (which is the point of the survey), it is not going to happen that way. High end stand alone CD players have already been disappearing brand by brand for that reason. Over time this likely will continue.
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Phil, no-one is attacking your views - they're your views and you're entitled to them. You've made them abundantly clear in this thread. But the thread is about whether or not Bryston builds a new CD player, not about your conversion to computer-based audio and why you decided to do it and so on and so forth.
And some manufacturers are still introducing new "high-end" CD players. Others appear to be dipping a toe back into the water. I don't see this as a problem.
If another CD is never pressed starting right this second, there are still going to be millions of CD's on the planet for decades and there will co-incidentally be people who want a machine to play them on for whatever reasons they have for doing it that way. I'm interested in finding out more about Bryston's views on this and what they're proposing. Are you?
D.D.
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When comparing CD sales to digital download sales the discussion as it relates to a Bryston in my opinion is only with respect to either 16/44.1 or true high resolution digital downloads so we need to avoid the generic use of "digital" as it includes the likes of MP3's, etc. i.e. horribly compressed files. The inclusion of such digital content dramatically skews what we are talking about here. I'm sure most sales figures of "digital downloads" would probably be in the 90%+ range of the highly compressed sort not the true red book CD variety or higher. We need to compare apples to apples as it were.
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Of course there will be all those CDs that people own in the their collections. I still have LDs (only about 130 and two players but have not played them for quite some time - like 5 years). The music industry has changed. The Eagles marketed a CD through Wal-Mart only, many albums come with bonus tracks which are digital downloads and I'm sure we will see other variations. That's why many players today are either universal, are music servers with a CD Recorder, have digital inputs, etc., as manufacturers are trying to figure out how to capture the most audiophile customers, which, I thought was the purpose of providing input on this thread. I see nothing wrong with providing facts as to what is happening in the market and that it might be better to have a player that does more than CD discs or one format. Others have expressed that opinion as well.
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James, is your thought to use the same DAC chip that you're using in the BDA-2 if you move forward with this project?
D.D.
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James, is your thought to use the same DAC chip that you're using in the BDA-2 if you move forward with this project?
D.D.
Yes we would use the new AKM DAC but at 44.1 16 Bit it would be under utilized of course. It seems to me that most folks are looking for more than a basic CD Player - IE - USB in - COAX in - SACD etc.
Which makes it a completely different product than a standard CD Player.
I am wondering if a CD 'Transport ONLY' in combination with our DAC (2 units) makes more sense. That way you have the benefit of both a redbook CD Player and a high resolution playback DAC?
james
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I am wondering if a CD 'Transport ONLY' in combination with our DAC (2 units) makes more sense. That way you have the benefit of both a redbook CD Player and a high resolution playback DAC?
james
Well, to me, NO.. too much stuff on the shelves. :duh: A transport only means, the DAC I have (non Bryston) might not match up sonically to your "transport" if that's what your thinking. A Bryston solution to me is a solid well built quality CD player that is contained within a single case.
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I am wondering if a CD 'Transport ONLY' in combination with our DAC (2 units) makes more sense. That way you have the benefit of both a redbook CD Player and a high resolution playback DAC?
james
Not a marketing expert, but I would think that the broadest market would be for a stand alone player.
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I am wondering if a CD 'Transport ONLY' in combination with our DAC (2 units) makes more sense. That way you have the benefit of both a redbook CD Player and a high resolution playback DAC?
james
hmm, so when you say "...our DAC (2 units) ..." is that referring to the BDA-1 and BDA-2?
Also wouldn't a transport only be very similar to the upcoming BOT? What would be the difference?
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hmm, so when you say "...our DAC (2 units) ..." is that referring to the BDA-1 and BDA-2?
Also wouldn't a transport only be very similar to the upcoming BOT? What would be the difference?
HI
The BOT connects to a BDP - the Transport connects to any DAC.
james
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HI
The BOT connects to a BDP - the Transport connects to any DAC.
james
Is the connection between the BOT and BDP going to be a proprietary connection?
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Is the connection between the BOT and BDP going to be a proprietary connection?
Yes - the BOT is designed to go with the BDP as the BDP plays the CD through the electronics of the BDP or rips the CD to an attached drive on the BDP. So the digital processing is done by the BDP not the BOT.
james
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Yes - the BOT is designed to go with the BDP as the BDP plays the CD through the electronics of the BDP or rips the CD to an attached drive on the BDP. So the digital processing is done by the BDP not the BOT.
james
James, not sure if it's been asked before, but what will be the Canadian retail price for the BOT?
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James,
a pure CD player would be my best bet. I don't exactly know how many BCD-1 players were sold but the fact that CD market is declining should not be a significant factor in the decision-making as you will surely not make 50.000 units. There would be enough of those that would make the project worthwhile.
As for the AKM chip being under-utilized, the same thing was with the Crystal chip. It too offered resolution far greater than the CD standard.
CD transport is a niche-market, it always was. Perhaps you'd offer it with an optional integrated DAC with digital inputs so that both the CD playback side and the DAC side could be used independently but this would certainly be a great departure from the BCD-1 foundation.
A CD transport would not make much sense I'm afraid. You need an external DAC and people with DACs have already moved to computer-based systems.
Just my opinion!
Cheers!
Antun
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I have no aversion to CD players (attacking my view will not change the facts - I am fine with any other opinions and could care less). My only point relates to the reality that CD sales vs. digital downloads and streaming services have not been doing well. Auto manufacturers are already getting rid of CD players which can only mean that that the demand for discs vs. those other forms of music will decline more rapidly. As the demand for CD discs decline, this can lead to other actions from record labels. For those that think there will be no changes (which is the point of the survey), it is not going to happen that way. High end stand alone CD players have already been disappearing brand by brand for that reason. Over time this likely will continue.
Yeah, good observation with regards to automobile CD players, although I wouldn't really qualify audio in a car as critical listening ;)
I actually just bought a new 2014 vehicle last week with an upgraded factory sound system, and it still has a CD player. But as you pointed out, it also has Bluetooth streaming capability and several USB inputs available. I certainly transferred my latest CD-r disks to the new car, but haven't used them yet as it's hard to compete with my 32 Gig USB stick that has over 1000 songs of Lossless WMA on it that I can access on the car's 7" entertainment screen (along with the album and artist name and cover art displayed). The digital capability makes it fairly hard to imagine I'll ever use the CD player in that car.
But, in my home, where I have a ~$2500 CD player and the ability to do critical listening, I think CD players still have a place. In ten years, I don't know, but today, I think a high end CD player is worthwhile. I just don't know the economics of a company deciding today to create one and expect a profit.
brucek
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I'm in the no disc player required camp.
As for whether or not to create one, it does appear there is some market for it. If it can be done as a near drop-in to the old BCD-1 (thus not costing much in R&D), it'd probably be worth it.
If not, I'd think you'd be ahead to make an all-in-one player. If that becomes the case, perhaps a Bluray player (BBP?) that can do SACD, Redbook CD, and DVD and Bluray based movies?
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James, not sure if it's been asked before, but what will be the Canadian retail price for the BOT?
Not sure yet as we are still deciding on which drive.
james
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James,
i'd say that a cd player is 'better' than a transport. some would want the Bryston sound through the analog outs. if this new player has digital outs then the customer can compare the sound with an external dac and make a final decision.
al.
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Is the connection between the BOT and BDP going to be a proprietary connection?
It's not proprietary, if you plug the bot into a computer it'll recognize as a standard USB blu-Ray burner and your computer may even mention it's USB 3.0 device (We are only supporting it as a USB 2.0 device). The BDP uses a combination of open source programs for playback with Bryston developed software for control and feedback.
The BDP has for sometime had the ability to playback audio cd's using a standard USB cd, DVD or blu-Ray drive. Keep in mind apple's USB super drive is proprietary and won't work. The bot is simply a drive made by Bryston with our name on it.
Cheers
Chris
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It's not proprietary, if you plug the bot into a computer it'll recognize as a standard USB blu-Ray burner and your computer may even mention it's USB 3.0 device (We are only supporting it as a USB 2.0 device). The BDP uses a combination of open source programs for playback with Bryston developed software for control and feedback.
The BDP has for sometime had the ability to playback audio cd's using a standard USB cd, DVD or blu-Ray drive. Keep in mind apple's USB super drive is proprietary and won't work. The bot is simply a drive made by Bryston with our name on it.
Cheers
Chris
Thanks for the clarification.
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I think CD players still have a place. In ten years, I don't know, but today, I think a high end CD player is worthwhile. I just don't know the economics of a company deciding today to create one and expect a profit.
brucek
I agree - the format has been around too long for a high player to become irrelevant in the short run. My question is weather it makes sense to include at least something like a digital input. I noted earlier in the threat that I had a DAC that was about 15 years old 5 years ago when I sold it and it still worked fine and sounded good even vs. my BCD-1 I had at the time, although the bass was not as good in the DAC. I'd think a digital input could makes something relevant for a longer period of time.
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Phil has a point. Digital out and/or digital in would make the player fit a higher number of customers.
However, I think James is talking about using a new drive to drop into the old BCD-1, without re-inventing the product. If that is correct, it would have digital out.
Is that correct James?
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Phil has a point. Digital out and/or digital in would make the player fit a higher number of customers.
However, I think James is talking about using a new drive to drop into the old BCD-1, without re-inventing the product. If that is correct, it would have digital out.
Is that correct James?
No it would be a different design than the BCD as the DACs have changed since. Remember also that a Digital in would be 44/1 16BIT (CD quality) only.
james
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Yes we would use the new AKM DAC but at 44.1 16 Bit it would be under utilized of course. It seems to me that most folks are looking for more than a basic CD Player - IE - USB in - COAX in - SACD etc.
Which makes it a completely different product than a standard CD Player.
I am wondering if a CD 'Transport ONLY' in combination with our DAC (2 units) makes more sense. That way you have the benefit of both a redbook CD Player and a high resolution playback DAC?
james
Thanks for the info - any unit I've heard which utilizes that AKM DAC has sounded very good. It made a big difference in the BDA-2 compared to it's predecessor. Not sure about the viability of a "transport-only" unless you were planning to do something really special but that might start a real avalanche.
It would give us a reason to jaw here, though. :green: One-box vs. two box, DAC posibilities, how to connect them, what drive... it would take up a ton'o bandwidth. :D
D.D.
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Thanks for the info - any unit I've heard which utilizes that AKM DAC has sounded very good. It made a big difference in the BDA-2 compared to it's predecessor. Not sure about the viability of a "transport-only" unless you were planning to do something really special but that might start a real avalanche.
It would give us a reason to jaw here, though. :green: One-box vs. two box, DAC posibilities, how to connect them, what drive... it would take up a ton'o bandwidth. :D
D.D.
Back demon (holds up fingers to make a cross) back!
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No it would be a different design than the BCD as the DACs have changed since. Remember also that a Digital in would be 44/1 16BIT (CD quality) only.
james Roger that James......"sounds' good to me............... :drool::REDBOOK
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I haven't read this thread so maybe this has already been covered.
If Bryston really wants to hit a home run they need to( IMO) build a cd/sacd player with accessible dac/usb dac which will do dsd. They also can't take 2-3 years to make it happen. I know this would be a very tall order for Bryston as it seems to take them a long time to bring anything involving digital to market.
Just my opinion.....
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I haven't read this thread so maybe this has already been covered.
If Bryston really wants to hit a home run they need to( IMO) build a cd/sacd player with accessible dac/usb dac which will do dsd. They also can't take 2-3 years to make it happen. I know this would be a very tall order for Bryston as it seems to take them a long time to bring anything involving digital to market.
Just my opinion.....
I don't at all disagree (and have noted for me personally a CD only player is passe). However, the thread title is 'CD Player Survey,' and therefore I've indicated it may be better to have at least a digital input. The complexities of doing a player with many formats involve a different drive (and James has noted they have found one for CD), different clocks, not to mention software needed. So perhaps a separate thread might be best for a Bryston product wish list.
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It seems what you are aiming at is a "universal player". Many high end names offered these in the past but none seem to ever do full justice to redbook material. I think is will always be a thing of "jack of all trade but master of none" deal if too many formats are attempted . Having usb connections is a good idea(IMO) but other than that if it's to be a new cd player then let it be purely that. Otherwise ,I am happy with the BCD-1 as a truly great player.:thumb:
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For me, the only reason I would consider buying a separate optical transport would be if it played SACD discs. With a computer for CD ripping and a BDP-2/BDA-2 for playback, I'm fully satisfied with my system's Redbook and digital download playing capability. However, I have no way to get equivalent quality playback from the SACD discs I own (and might like to acquire) without using a separate "Universal" player. I do currently have an older Denon model, but its analog output quality pales by comparison to the BDP/BDA combo, even with SACDs.
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For me, the only reason I would consider buying a separate optical transport would be if it played SACD discs. With a computer for CD ripping and a BDP-2/BDA-2 for playback, I'm fully satisfied with my system's Redbook and digital download playing capability. However, I have no way to get equivalent quality playback from the SACD discs I own (and might like to acquire) without using a separate "Universal" player. I do currently have an older Denon model, but its analog output quality pales by comparison to the BDP/BDA combo, even with SACDs.
-Eric
One can always burn DSD files (or have someone do it for you) and convert them or get an Oppo player and an HDMI audio de-embedder (e.g. http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=5557&seq=1&format=2) and playback 24/88.2 PCM via a BDA. I did this with my BDA-1 when I had it for a bit. Still sounds quite good. I have too much DSD (and still buy SACDs) and burn the disc image to create the file to playback.
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James,
i'd say that a cd player is 'better' than a transport. some would want the Bryston sound through the analog outs. if this new player has digital outs then the customer can compare the sound with an external dac and make a final decision.
al.
Yes , that sounds like a great idea. :thumb:
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Phil,
i tried a Yamaha 1020 and a Ligawo hdmi de-embedder together with a Denon DA300 dac. the pcm signal from the sacd was 176.4 khz. :thumb:
not sure if it was a 24 bit signal as well because the dac didn't show it...
does the Oppo put out also 176.4 khz or is the 88.2 signal some kind of limitation??
al.
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Phil,
i tried a Yamaha 1020 and a Ligawo hdmi de-embedder together with a Denon DA300 dac. the pcm signal from the sacd was 176.4 khz. :thumb:
not sure if it was a 24 bit signal as well because the dac didn't show it...
does the Oppo put out also 176.4 khz or is the 88.2 signal some kind of limitation??
al.
Al, John Gatski of Everything Audio Network has done more extensive testing of players and de-embedders. Here's one review - http://everythingaudionetwork.blogspot.com/2013/04/audiophile-review-hdmi-de-embedder.html I moved from the DC area and I talked to John at length a few times and actually dragged a player over to his house once (an Integra I bought after I went to the Capital Audiofest a few years back that they were closing out and got some info from the Integra rep and then looked at the manual which also just said 176.4). John owns an ATI sample rate converter/A-D converter that reads bit depth and was instrumental in getting Benchmark to add a bit depth display to their last DAC.
I mainly used the de-embedder with my BDA-1 DAC and then just a few weeks when I got my Meitner DAC while I was getting the music digitized. I can't say that John has tested every single player but he has indicated that only the Oppo players do 24 bits (although of the ones that do 176.4, my Integra, DPS6.9, which I don't used at the moment sounded best but it just did 16 bits). The Oppo players do 24/88.2 (and in many cases I preferred the BDA-1 upsampling to 176.4 as many of the SACDs were really good recordings). I actually preferred going through the de-mbedder to the BDA-1 vs. listening to SACDs via the analog outs of my modded BDP-83. The highs were a drop better playing the SACD but I preferred the imaging and overall presentation of converting to PCM and going through the BDA-1. However, once I got things digitized with the Meitner DAC, I prefer to listen to DSD files. Unfortunately, as consumers, we don't have the power to compel studios to release things which would sound best in a particular format. DSD may be wonderful for old analog recordings (or something recorded in DSD) but it something was originally recorded in 24/96, it would be nice if it did not go through the conversion process.
So I'd guess you are getting 16/176.4. My BDP-83 also will do full resolution from DVD-As via the coax digital out (the above review from the Everything Audio Network talks about that and I believe the new Oppo players no longer do that - kind of like my old Samsung HD1000 DVD-V/DVD-A player where they managed to get a couple of hundred of the pre-HDMI units into the USA that upconverted DVDs via the analog component outs before they got the studios on their case). For someone who prefers physical media (nothing wrong with that) or does not have many SACDs and owns a good DAC, I'd highly recommend the route of the de-embedder. I also used an upgraded power supply (for the Monoprice unit, their product ID 5557, anything that works for a Logitech Squeezebox Touch is fine). The new Oppo players (even the 103) can play also kinds of high resolution files, included DSD and DSD multi-channel via a hard drive.
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thanks for the input, Phil :thumb:
btw, the de-embedder shown in Gatski's review (KanexPro Haexcoax) looks exactly like the unit that i have at home (Ligawo). these units seem to have different brandnames depending on where they are sold, i guess :roll:
however, i like the Ligawo a lot as it is a nice piece of hifi equipment :thumb:
al.
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thanks for the input, Phil :thumb:
btw, the de-embedder shown in Gatski's review (KanexPro Haexcoax) looks exactly like the unit that i have at home (Ligawo). these units seem to have different brandnames depending on where they are sold, i guess :roll:
however, i like the Ligawo a lot as it is a nice piece of hifi equipment :thumb:
al.
Al, a look at the unit (KanexPro) shows it has a 5V DC input so you may be able to use an upgraded power supply made for a Squeezebox Touch if you ever want to experiment.
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Perusing the techie issues on this thread and the BDP thread seems to me to help make a case for a standalone Bryston CD player. No firmware, interface, network, or ancillary gear issues. Just pop in the disc and play. Whew.
I very much enjoy my BDP-2/BDA-2 combo, but it's a different level of product than a CD player, which is much more family-friendly.
Cheerio,
Rich
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Perusing the techie issues on this thread and the BDP thread seems to me to help make a case for a standalone Bryston CD player. No firmware, interface, network, or ancillary gear issues. Just pop in the disc and play. Whew.
I very much enjoy my BDP-2/BDA-2 combo, but it's a different level of product than a CD player, which is much more family-friendly.
Cheerio,
Rich
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Rich, even my old BCD-1 had firmware (and I remember do one upgrade on it when I had it). I agree that you don't want to turn it into a jack of all trades (for people who just want to plop in a disc and play) but if it adds little or nothing to the cost a digital input might be nice to give it a little broader appeal (to more audiophiles) without turning into an all in one thing requirement for more R&D and parts it might be a good thing. The wider appeal it may have from something that costs little (and does change it from a CD player) can't hurt sales. A USB input could require more stuff to put in and of course that's up to Bryston and what they feel is best. A coax and optical digital input may be of value to some in taking PCM from a TV broadcast or Internet Radio (or high quality FM) tuner and make it able to obtain high quality sound and benefit from the DACs already in the player as an example. The broader appeal without adding much cost or turning into much more than a CD player may help Bryston make the decision to manufacture the product.
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I agree that you don't want to turn it into a jack of all trades (for people who just want to plop in a disc and play) but if it adds little or nothing to the cost a digital input might be nice to give it a little broader appeal ...............
I think it would require a lot of extra marketing. It would basically be a DAC that already had a CD player feeding one of its inputs.
Most who are looking for a standalone CD player may not require the extra cost of the digital inputs - coax, optical, USB, etc., (and I don't feel it would be as inexpensive as you may think).
I see the standard customer response as being, "Dude, what's all this extra crap, I just want a CD player - I already have a DAC". :)
brucek
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I think it would require a lot of extra marketing. It would basically be a DAC that already had a CD player feeding one of its inputs.
Most who are looking for a standalone CD player may not require the extra cost of the digital inputs - coax, optical, USB, etc., (and I don't feel it would be as inexpensive as you may think).
I see the standard customer response as being, "Dude, what's all this extra crap, I just want a CD player - I already have a DAC". :)
brucek Right on. :thumb:
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Hi James,
If my memory seves me correctly, I remember you posting here at one time that Bryston was thinking of making a more superior CDP than the BCD1 with a top load. I would revisit that player that you had in mind - minus the top loading feature.
Mark
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Hi James,
If my memory seves me correctly, I remember you posting here at one time that Bryston was thinking of making a more superior CDP than the BCD1 with a top load. I would revisit that player that you had in mind - minus the top loading feature.
Mark
Yes, hope we see the front load but with a smoother drawer. :thumb:
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Definitely not a top load. But other than that I don't care if the drawer has a hand crank......just get us a new CD player.
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Definitely not a top load.
Agreed, since a top-load will limit placement of the unit in an audio rack.
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There's always the option of a manual swing out tray like Naim's :idea:
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Definitely not a top load. But other than that I don't care if the drawer has a hand crank......just get us a new CD player.
A hand crank is ok but has to be on the side, not the top :lol: :thumb:
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My CD player is about to become my ex-CD player.
So the question is:
When could I buy a brand new CD player from Bryston?
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I think James once indicated a new BCD might be available around Christmas. A guess would be, a prototype for 2015 CES and consumer delivery in the Spring. But Bryston may be further along than we think.
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James, is this true ? :thumb:
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James, is this true ? :thumb:
I hope so!
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Still considering it.
Have the Drive and DACs in mind but have to convince others a CD Player is something needed given todays marketplace.
james
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Still considering it.
Have the Drive and DACs in mind but have to convince others a CD Player is something needed given todays marketplace.
james
I understand that.
A month ago a brazilian cousin bought some CD to offer me. Their friends couldn't understand why spend time searching for a especific disc in store of there are itunes, spotify...
According to them CD is past and that's why they are cheap in Brazil.
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I was the same way...SPEND TIME SEARCHING FOR ONE SONG or two off of one CD,especially if you have 100 + more cds.
Welcome the BCD-1 or 2(except for a few hiccups,I definitely won't go back (only as back up).
No more searching for songs,put exactly what you want to hear on a playlist,end of story.
Whether you have one or two computers you can control from anywhere in the house(No More running around to change the disc for another song or two) and especially physically SEARCHING for one or two tracks from a 100cds or 500+ :nono:.
Besides all the convenience,the sound is superb and I was really attached to my BCD-1,until introduced to the BDP's. The THE CDP which to me is so NEANDERTHAL compared to the BDP's and to those who didn't get it right the first time as far as playback,convenience ect,it is Neanderthal as far as I'm concerned.
Amazing how some took it as pot shots at themselves,that tells me a lot about ....... :roll:.
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Besides all the convenience,the sound is superb and I was really attached to my BCD-1,until introduced to the BDP's. The THE CDP which to me is so NEANDERTHAL compared to the BDP's and to those who didn't get it right the first time as far as playback,convenience ect,it is Neanderthal as far as I'm concerned.
Amazing how some took it as pot shots at themselves,that tells me a lot about ....... :roll:.
That's pretty much the headline/take of the CNET review - http://www.cnet.com/news/goodbye-cd-players-hello-bryston-bdp-1/ "I'm seeing fewer and fewer CD players at consumer electronics trade shows; most demonstrations play music from higher-than-CD-resolution digital files or LPs! No wonder CDs are used in less than 10 percent of the demos. So it seems like the CD, even for high-end audiophiles, will soon be an endangered species."
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"That's pretty much the headline/take of the CNET review - http://www.cnet.com/news/goodbye-cd-players-hello-bryston-bdp-1/ "I'm seeing fewer and fewer CD players at consumer electronics trade shows; most demonstrations play music from higher-than-CD-resolution digital files or LPs! No wonder CDs are used in less than 10 percent of the demos. So it seems like the CD, even for high-end audiophiles, will soon be an endangered species."
An article dated June 2010, but there are probably more recent articles out there. But Cd's continue to be produced, Cd's continue to sell, CD players continue to be produced and sell. Is the CD format as popular as it once was? No. Is it in decline? No doubt that is happening. However, there are millions of Cd's out there that will be played on something and for some time to come. Maybe CD's will go the route of LPs and turntables. All I know for sure is that if Bryston produces another player I'll buy one. If not I'll find another manufacturer. I'm sure that is true of many folks.
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However, there are millions of Cd's out there that will be played on something and for some time to come.
I agree. That "something" will be largely DVD players, Blu-ray players and DVD and Blu-ray computer drives. The CD disc has a far brighter and longer future than a CD (only) player.
Steve
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"That's pretty much the headline/take of the CNET review - http://www.cnet.com/news/goodbye-cd-players-hello-bryston-bdp-1/ "I'm seeing fewer and fewer CD players at consumer electronics trade shows; most demonstrations play music from higher-than-CD-resolution digital files or LPs! No wonder CDs are used in less than 10 percent of the demos. So it seems like the CD, even for high-end audiophiles, will soon be an endangered species."
An article dated June 2010, but there are probably more recent articles out there. But Cd's continue to be produced, Cd's continue to sell, CD players continue to be produced and sell. Is the CD format as popular as it once was? No. Is it in decline? No doubt that is happening. However, there are millions of Cd's out there that will be played on something and for some time to come. Maybe CD's will go the route of LPs and turntables. All I know for sure is that if Bryston produces another player I'll buy one. If not I'll find another manufacturer. I'm sure that is true of many folks. Yes likewise for me . A new player (CD) would be on my list.
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An article dated June 2010, but there are probably more recent articles out there. But Cd's continue to be produced, Cd's continue to sell, CD players continue to be produced and sell. Is the CD format as popular as it once was? No. Is it in decline? No doubt that is happening. However, there are millions of Cd's out there that will be played on something and for some time to come. Maybe CD's will go the route of LPs and turntables. All I know for sure is that if Bryston produces another player I'll buy one. If not I'll find another manufacturer. I'm sure that is true of many folks.
Yes - there are millions of CDs out there which will of course mean a demand for the means (player of some sort) to play them back. This is a friend of a friend's website - http://www.classicstoday.com/ I go there sometimes to look at classical reviews and the guy probably owns 20,000 CDs (or even more). Except for this past July (since I moved to FL), I went to the Capital Audiofest each of the past few years (there are pics in my gallery for a couple of years). While I did not do a survey, I noticed CD demos for playback decreased dramatically. It was probably about 2-2.5 years back when I started digitizing things. I thought about it on occasion but was content with CD playback and hi-rez playback, first when I had the BCD-1 and then later CDs (using my Marantz DV9600 universal as a transport and it is wonderful at that and now sits in a guest room basically unused) via the BDA-1 and hi-rez using the BDA-1 fed via an Oppo and an HDMI audio de-embedder. Going to the show on a regular basis, in addition to looking at Audio Circle, finally pushed me to file playback and I could really never go back.
I do understand about the simplicity of disc playback in addition to having the CD booklet. When I got out of LPs many moons ago it was the same feeling going from the LP jacket to the CD booklet. There is no doubt that physical CDs are a better choice for some. I have one spare system where I am still playing with Squeezebox Touch hacks into a Teac DSD DAC. I do on occasion throw a CD or even a DVD-A into the modded Oppo (since the BDP-83 outputs full resolution via coax) into the DAC via the coax digital output. I may have an audio get together at my place in November and that will be the first time I've even used disc playback in the main system since I have it in the new place. James and Bryston know what they are doing and I'm sure they will make the appropriate choice for the company. There are compromises in modestly priced high end universal players that may not be optimum for CD only playback. The technology on the digital side changes more rapidly than with analog stuff. I am thinking about doing network playback into the main system and moving the music server and hard drives to a secondary system and the Squeezebox Touch (can be moved from the secondary system and) will work great outside (I have connections to the master bedroom system) to select playback vs. using a hard drive attached to the Oppo and a monitor I put outside to display the tracks.
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I'll buy a prototype James! :D
17" Black with green LEDs...
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That sounds like the one i want...... :thumb:
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Don't know what to call the color of lights on the "17"....blue, green. Blue-green? But they are stunning against the silver dress plate, would make a great display color. But at this point I'd take a new BCD if all it had was balanced outs and two buttons, on/off and open/close (or a hand crank). :D
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Yes, I would too LOl. I would prefer the green lights but , hey, as long as the James gang make the thing I don't care if they're pink. :thumb:
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For those that believe the BCD-X is a pipe dream there are two BCD-1s for sale on Audiogon. Must admit it is tempting.
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James;
Any news to share on a potential BCD-X?
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James;
Any news to share on a potential BCD-X?
Sorry nothing yet. Still trying to convince my partner its a good move :duh:
James
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Build it...(BCD-X)
And they will Buy! :D :D
Keeping your flock happy.
The traditionalist Jewel-case poppers and the modern digital down loaders!
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Build it...(BCD-X)
And they will Buy! :D :D
Keeping your flock happy.
The traditionalist Jewel-case poppers and the modern digital down loaders! That's what I like to hear :thumb:
:D
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Sorry nothing yet. Still trying to convince my partner its a good move :duh:
James
Try harder James !!!!!!!!!!!! or we can come over to convince them. Ha Ha
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Now there's an idea..... :lol: I still hope this will be a go :thumb:
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While the goodies would be nice, I'd be pleased with just an excellent CD player, in the tradition of the BCD-1. No firmware. No apps. No networks. No glitches. Just load & play.
Rich
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James, if the demand for such a player is modest, could this become a bespoke project, funded through Kickstarter or a similar venue?
Rich
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While the goodies would be nice, I'd be pleased with just an excellent CD player, in the tradition of the BCD-1. No firmware. No apps. No networks. No glitches. Just load & play.
Rich
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Shaken Not Stirred Napa Valley Yes load and play exactly what I hope for too. :thumb:
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Maybe it will be a special order item?
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I think the longer you wait, the more you will find it a non-viable project. I am in a market for a CD player and I'd rather see a BCD-2 from Bryston than anything else.
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Yes , this worries me as well. I will regret the lost opportunity to get an even finer player from Bryston. :cry:
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I'm thinking maybe an option is to buy a used BCD-1 in good condition. Then ship it back to Bryston service and have it "factory refreshed". Rules out a BCD-X should one appear, but does satisfy the need for another player.
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But what could be done to improve on what's already there , unless the chips can be changed to the newer ones? :scratch:
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Would not expect any component changes unless the unit needed it. Given the unit was used the idea is just to let Bryston run the unit through their testing to make sure it was up to spec and there were no problems. Similar to the checkout and testing they do when they send a unit to audio advisor and it is offered as factory refreshed. James was asked about this in a thread some time ago.
Maybe, it the unit had a black dress plate, to change it over to the silver.
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James any news on that BCD2XXXXX ? : :P
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No new news at this point.
james
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James for what it's worth I just saw that "Naim" is still producing their line of CD players. I still hope you guys will go for the new model as discussed. :bowdown: :drool:
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James for what it's worth I just saw that "Naim" is still producing their line of CD players. I still hope you guys will go for the new model as discussed. :bowdown: :drool:
I'm with you!
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You got three BCD-2 sold right here :thumb:
redbook
R. Daneel
BrystonFan
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Make it four. :thumb:
Rich
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….make that 5!
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Put me down for number 6 :thumb:
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James ' any hope of this happening ? :(
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I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect a BCD-X is a dead issue.
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James ' any hope of this happening ? :(
i have not given up.
james
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i have not given up.
james
Good to hear.
Mike
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:thumb: Thanks James.... there's always the hope. 8)
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I would love to see a Bryston cd transport (to replace my old Wadia) to go with my Jeff Rowland Aeris dac.
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We of a certain age can experience some time compression yet it seems like a lifetime ago that I learned about the then upcoming BDP-1. I did like to own physical media and have a CD booklet but the promise of improved performance always wins out over nostalgia for me. I think the best tradition to honor is the quest for more ealism and celebrating true innovation. Having more time for music by dispensing with handling (or locating) CDs together with astonishing sound quality seems like a win all around. While a case can be made for owning a CD player, my very nice one failed from prolonged storage, as I discovered upon trying to sell it, so that I suppose is where I stand.
The BCD-1 is a beautiful object that I would be pleased to own, as I would be any successor to it, but it would not be a priority purchase for me. You of course know that you can survey your dealers around the world to gauge the demand for a BCD-2. I would not venture an opinion based on personal intuition about the global market considering the expense of developing a new product in the meticulous way you guys do it. :)
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The New Year is upon us, will Bryston deliver a BCD-X this year? What say you James?
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The New Year is upon us, will Bryston deliver a BCD-X this year? What say you James?
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Sorry - Nothing on the drawing board at this point - up to our ears in other products.
james
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Hi
Sorry - Nothing on the drawing board at this point - up to our ears in other products.
james
Hi James,
I'm fairly new to this forum and I don't know if it's considered rude or inapropriate to ask such questions...
But can you shed some light on what "other products" may be ?
What does 2015 has in store (literally...) for us coming from Bryston ?
In my case, I'm looking into a pre-amp. Are there any plans to update/upgrade the BP-6 / BP-26 in the upcoming year ?
AJ
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Hi AJ
No plans on a new preamp. We are working on the BDA3 DAC as well as the BOT transport and new power supply to go with the BOT. Looking at a lower cost Phono Stage as well.
Also just finished some new speaker models in the A Series.
Also looking at an electronic crossover for the Model T speakers.
james
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So no hope for the CD player? awwwww :(
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...to offer a lower cost phonostage is a good idea :thumb:. i bought my BP 1.5 around 6 years ago and since then the price went up almost 1000€...
however, for those who want a great phono stage made by Bryston it's certainly good news.
happy new year! happy new listening!!
al.
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Yeh but what about the CD player? :scratch:
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Dead...apparently. Sounds like support for vinyl and computer but none for CD format.
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I hope it is not dead! That would be the most exciting product for me.
But James, can you tell us about the phono stage? Is it MC-cartridge capable? Discrete circuitry and linear power supply? I'd be interested, that's a certainty.
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But James, can you tell us about the phono stage? Is it MC-cartridge capable? Discrete circuitry and linear power supply? I'd be interested, that's a certainty.
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The best way to step-up a Moving Coil to higher voltages is with quality transformers like we use in the BP-1.5 Phono stage but they are extremely costly.
But there are some new OP amps becoming available which have allow for high gain and reasonably low noise Moving Coil capability and are a lot less expensive to implement. So I am thinking that a lower cost Phono section based on these new OP amps would provide a lower cost alternative to the gaining popularity of LP's. Yes it would have discrete circuitry where applicable and linear power supplies. It would be similar to the BP1.5 except in the MC application.
james
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But James, can you tell us about the phono stage? Is it MC-cartridge capable? Discrete circuitry and linear power supply? I'd be interested, that's a certainty.
The best way to step-up a Moving Coil to higher voltages is with quality transformers like we use in the BP-1.5 Phono stage but they are extremely costly.
But there are some new OP amps becoming available which have allow for high gain and reasonably low noise Moving Coil capability and are a lot less expensive to implement. So I am thinking that a lower cost Phono section based on these new OP amps would provide a lower cost alternative to the gaining popularity of LP's. Yes it would have discrete circuitry where applicable and linear power supplies. It would be similar to the BP1.5 except in the MC application.
james
Thank you very much James!
Would this phone stage be a full-size component or one of your new mini 1/3rd-sized component?
Cheers!
Antun
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I think this warrants it's own thread. After all it was to be about the possible Cdplayer :roll:
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Dead...apparently. Sounds like support for vinyl and computer but none for CD format.
Yes sounds a bit off topic here. James if it's about lps and such let'shave a new thread please. This is just a disappointment to we that are hoping for cd news. Thanks
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Thank you very much James!
Would this phone stage be a full-size component or one of your new mini 1/3rd-sized component?
Cheers!
Antun
HI
1/3rd size and I will start a new thread on Bryston Phono going forward.
james
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Not much sense in continuing this thread since Bryston seems to have little or no interest in producing a new CD player. That being the case one has to wonder why this thread was started in the first place. As much as i would have liked to have a Bryston CD player replace my aging ARCAM its time to move on and find another manufacturer.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=111866)
750D I was checking out the Sim Audio 750D. Seems they are putting a lot of effort into this Cd player. Of course Naim is going strong as well. :thumb:
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:thumb: It's available in black too......uses double chip in dac
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Thinking more along the lines of the 650D. Same look and almost the same performance but about 3K less expensive. Maybe a useful thread would be be "Potential Replacements for the BCD"! :lol:
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Not much sense in continuing this thread since Bryston seems to have little or no interest in producing a new CD player. That being the case one has to wonder why this thread was started in the first place. As much as i would have liked to have a Bryston CD player replace my aging ARCAM its time to move on and find another manufacturer.
James' first post indicates - "HI Folks,
Not a week goes by that I do not get a request from a customer about where he can get a Bryston BCD-1 CD Player and I get chewed out for discontinuing ours. I had no choice as the drive we used was a dedicated CD Drive (as opposed to a DVD Drive) and Phillips discontinued them.
Anyway I have found a new CD drive that performs very well and wanted to get an idea from our customers as to whether you think a dedicated CD Player from Bryston is a viable product given todays computer based options.
james"
So the thread has evolved. I think it is great when a manufacturer is willing to take input from its customers. While the manufacturer has the risk of its own capital and will make the decision that is best for them, it is really nice they take the time to engage different things. Bryston is not alone in this (e.g. - http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=131428.0) and everyone should be pleased that the company thinks enough to solicit input from customers.
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I think everyone understands and appreciates Bryston asking input from its customers Phil, so save your lectures.
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I have showed James privately, using his own DACs in the SP2 and BDA-1 it can outperform any cd player. It doesn't matter what that source is as long as its free of noise. Hopefully we'll see this in a new DAC, BDA-3.
If you ask me what it is or how it works, its top secret. :banana piano:
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As I understand it jitter will always be greater going from a transport to a dac. The pace and drive that Naim has achieved has been the result of great timing error correction (jitter) The BCD1 has done a similar feat. However,to have a new Bryston single box player with the latest chips would be a treasure for those of us who still prefer playing records and not getting involved with computer downloading ect, ect. I am glad to see that other high end companies still see merit in this. Of course Bryston has to consider production cost against sales and that is understandable . I do hope that the BCD-2X will still be created if only as a special edition model :thumb:
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As I understand it jitter will always be greater going from a transport to a dac. The pace and drive that Naim has achieved has been the result of great timing error correction (jitter) The BCD1 has done a similar feat. However,to have a new Bryston single box player with the latest chips would be a treasure for those of us who still prefer playing records and not getting involved with computer downloading ect, ect. I am glad to see that other high end companies still see merit in this. Of course Bryston has to consider production cost against sales and that is understandable . I do hope that the BCD-2X will still be created if only as a special edition model :thumb:
Redbook,
Well said and I feel the same way.
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Ditto that..... :rock:
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The fact that manufacturers like Onkyo, Denon, Marantz, Musical fidelity, Cambdrige and others still make affordable CD players is a sign that there is still a market for that. In fact, Musical fidelity just re-released their M3 and M6 series and they sound better than ever so clearly, there are those who want a CD player in their system. Bryston, if they decide to go forward with this, might be one of the last high-end brands in the field from the "other" side of the pond. Esoteric/Teac and Accuphase seem to be doing well with their CD/SACD players so I think all it takes a leap of faith :) Let's not forget we'd be dealing with something that is potentially as good as anything at any price. I'd buy one!
Cheers!
Antun
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Bryston has such good stuff,i think you would have no problems with another go at.People still like physical hands on sources.
Alot of people got rid of records,only to regret it,and dont want to do that again. i really have no thoughts of doing that again.Plus people just getting into high end would still be able to access millions of titles.
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Here's an old standard that has evolved with time...... :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=112015)
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Exactly!
Naim would be a European brand that is comparable to Bryston even though they don't share a similar sound sinature (for a lack of a better word). Naim still thinks of CD as a viable format and hope Bryston decides to do the same thing.
Cheers!
Antun
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Exactly my thoughts too. :thumb: There are other top line brands that share this view. I hope that the James gang will offer their new unit and it will be a great player for all time. The CD-1 will be hard to beat but if those new chips are that much finer.....let's do it. :bowdown:
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Ditto. Hoping for a BCD-X.
Rich
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Ditto. Hoping for a BCD-X.
Rich
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I dig that name, has a good sound BCDX-1 :thumb: :thumb:
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Of late, you rarely see these on the secondary market and that should tell Bryston something. I am still hoping they move the BCD-X up their list of projects. James mentioned he hadn't given up hope but also told us their plate is full at the moment. Maybe as some of these projects materialize the player will be revisited.
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the BOT-1 drive should fill the gap for the Bryston faithful. my BDP-1 is a great device, and if it craps out & I can't fix it, a new BDP would replace it.
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Of late, you rarely see these on the secondary market and that should tell Bryston something. I am still hoping they move the BCD-X up their list of projects. James mentioned he hadn't given up hope but also told us their plate is full at the moment. Maybe as some of these projects materialize the player will be revisited.
As much as many of us would like to see a BCD replacement, it doesn't seem as if Bryston sees a compelling need to produce one. It's to bad, the BCD was a fine player and at the price point probably exceptional. I have no doubt that if Bryston wanted they could produce a player that exceeded the BCD. It may be that at some point there might be something similar to the BOT that will be able to output to a DAC like the BDA-3. However, reading through posts that go back a couple of years I believe they considered that when designing the the BOT but elected not to include that feature. They are certainly capable of producing such a device. The bright side is there are some fine players/transports out there, but the performance costs.
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Yes it's disappointing that Bryston may pass on this new improved player and leaving us no choice but to look to the other big names. I will keep my hope alive that things may yet change. : :eyebrows:
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This is a Shanling top tubed player..... :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=112291)
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James' first post indicates - "HI Folks,
Not a week goes by that I do not get a request from a customer about where he can get a Bryston BCD-1 CD Player and I get chewed out for discontinuing ours. I had no choice as the drive we used was a dedicated CD Drive (as opposed to a DVD Drive) and Phillips discontinued them.
Anyway I have found a new CD drive that performs very well and wanted to get an idea from our customers as to whether you think a dedicated CD Player from Bryston is a viable product given todays computer based options.
james"
So the thread has evolved. I think it is great when a manufacturer is willing to take input from its customers. While the manufacturer has the risk of its own capital and will make the decision that is best for them, it is really nice they take the time to engage different things. Bryston is not alone in this (e.g. - http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=131428.0) and everyone should be pleased that the company thinks enough to solicit input from customers.
Based on James above quote I wouldn't be surprised if they made a new CDP later in the year. If all sorts of people have been asking him about a new CDP and based on the reaction from the people on this forum when he brought it up, then I cannot see why not.
Mark
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Hi,I have a Bryston BCD-1 Black with Remote , NO BLEMISHES.
WORKS PERFECTLY
JUST SERVICED at Bryston, came back with a clean bill of health.
in BRAND NEW SHIPPING BOX &FOAMS.
I have not touched it since it came back. STILL IN SEALED BOX.
let me know if interested.
Cheers
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HI James,
I'm in the process of building a 2nd (and probably even a3rd...) system, combined with 2 overhauled and fully rebuilt Quad amps/ESL's. Beter than ever..
a cd-player/Digital Player (with ethernet for Internet radio) would be somewhat of an ideal single-source-in-1-box. Would you ever consider creating a machine like that?
Cheers,
Marius
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HI James,
I'm in the process of building a 2nd (and probably even a3rd...) system, combined with 2 overhauled and fully rebuilt Quad amps/ESL's. Beter than ever..
a cd-player/Digital Player (with ethernet for Internet radio) would be somewhat of an ideal single-source-in-1-box. Would you ever consider creating a machine like that?
Cheers,
Marius
No plans on that at this time Marius.
james
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Thanks James,
too bad really. Was worth the try though ;-)
Hope your BCD-2 works out well.
Cheers,
Marius
No plans on that at this time Marius.
james
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Here's a pix of that "other' brand cd player that sports the manual tray idea. Just an idea James :eyebrows:
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the uploader is the shits....sorry no pix will try later. :scratch: :evil:
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Yes, have had a lot of trouble with this too..... not always reliable
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HI
1/3rd size and I will start a new thread on Bryston Phono going forward.
james
Hi James what are your plans for a new phono stage? any plans for this year thinking of purchasing this year should i wait?
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Hi James what are your plans for a new phono stage? any plans for this year thinking of purchasing this year should i wait?
Its a good question and I am going to start promoting our BP-1.5 MM and MC Phono stage more with the increase in Turntable sales.
I am going to introduce a MM 1/3 size Phono stage as well which will connect to the MPS-2 Power Supply.
james
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Its a good question and I am going to start promoting our BP-1.5 MM and MC Phono stage more with the increase in Turntable sales.
I am going to introduce a MM 1/3 size Phono stage as well which will connect to the MPS-2 Power Supply.
james
James the only way will be through the mps-2 power supply?
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Its a good question and I am going to start promoting our BP-1.5 MM and MC Phono stage more with the increase in Turntable sales.
I am going to introduce a MM 1/3 size Phono stage as well which will connect to the MPS-2 Power Supply.
james
James how about MC!!!!!!
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...yes, i think MC/MM and an internal power supply would be a hit :thumb:
al.
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James the only way will be through the mps-2 power supply?
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James when will this unit come out? And will it have balanced output also?
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James the only way will be through the mps-2 power supply?
At this point yes but we will do a 1/3 matching supply going forward.
No MC in this unit as I think I will do a MC section in another matching 1/3rd size. MC should be done using quality transformers not transistors.
The New MM and MC 1/3rd size units will be the same as what is in the current BP-1.5 Phono stage
No Balanced out as it really does not improve performance in a Phono section.
james
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At this point yes but we will do a 1/3 matching supply going forward.
No MC in this unit as I think I will do a MC section in another matching 1/3rd size. MC should be done using quality transformers not transistors.
The New MM and MC 1/3rd size units will be the same as what is in the current BP-1.5 Phono stage
No Balanced out as it really does not improve performance in a Phono section.
james
James i have a mps-2 but can i get a 4 or 5 meter long cable to connect to the phono stage ( which you are planning)and do you think i will have any trouble if i will connect with 4 to 5 meter rca to the bp26 since no balanced to the mix? And when are your plans for the MC. Thank you
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James i have a mps-2 but can i get a 4 or 5 meter long cable to connect to the phono stage ( which you are planning)and do you think i will have any trouble if i will connect with 4 to 5 meter rca to the bp26 since no balanced to the mix? And when are your plans for the MC. Thank you
Hi Jimmy
Do you mean a 5 meter RCA pair of cables from the Turntable? Thats pretty long so the issue would be the PF loading of a cable that long affecting the frequency response of a MM cartridge.
james
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Hi Jimmy
Do you mean a 5 meter RCA pair of cables from the Turntable? Thats pretty long so the issue would be the PF loading of a cable that long affecting the frequency response of a MM cartridge.
james
No i meant from the phono stage to the bp26
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No i meant from the phono stage to the bp26
OK got it - thats no issue as the output impedance is very low so not a problem.
james
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OK got it - thats no issue as the output impedance is very low so not a problem.
james
james when do you think this unit MC will come out (aproxamite) and will i be able to use a 5 meter plug from the mps-2 to the phono stage
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james when do you think this unit MC will come out (aproxamite) and will i be able to use a 5 meter plug from the mps-2 to the phono stage
The BP1.5 is available now but the other smaller units will be at least 3-4 months.
james
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The BP1.5 is available now but the other smaller units will be at least 3-4 months.
james
No problem i can wait but will i be able to connect the mps2 to the phono stage with pin plug 4 or 5 meters because my bp 26 and the mps-2 will be 4 or 5 meters away from my turntable,that is how my setup is, and can you make that long pin plug cable.
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No problem i can wait but will i be able to connect the mps2 to the phono stage with pin plug 4 or 5 meters because my bp 26 and the mps-2 will be 4 or 5 meters away from my turntable,that is how my setup is, and can you make that long pin plug cable.
Should be able to.
james
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Should be able to.
james
Hi James anything new with the phono 1/3rd? Mc phonostage?
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Hi James anything new with the phono 1/3rd? Mc phonostage?
No - we have finished the MM version but the MC version will be a matching unit going forward.
james
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No - we have finished the MM version but the MC version will be a matching unit going forward.
james
when do you think will it be due?
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when do you think will it be due?
Hi Jimmy
We have the parts in house but just not able to free up an engineer yet - be a few months.
james
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Hi Jimmy
We have the parts in house but just not able to free up an engineer yet - be a few months.
james
thinking of sending my bpo26 to repair to put a mc option that is why i am asking you dont know aproximately?
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Hi Jimmy
We have the parts in house but just not able to free up an engineer yet - be a few months.
james
when is the mm due for
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when is the mm due for
Should be next month
james
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Should be next month
james
do you my distributors technician can put in the mc optioin in my bp26 i already have the mm option
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do you my distributors technician can put in the mc optioin in my bp26 i already have the mm option
It is a pretty delicate procedure - where are you located?
james
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It is a pretty delicate procedure - where are you located?
james
greece
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Email Mike here at Bryston and ask his opinion.
mpickett@bryston.com
We are going to be introducing an external MC stage to match the new MM stage in a 1/3rd chassis size but it is a couple of months out which may be a better option for you.
james
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Email Mike here at Bryston and ask his opinion.
mpickett@bryston.com
We are going to be introducing an external MC stage to match the new MM stage in a 1/3rd chassis size but it is a couple of months out which may be a better option for you.
james
that is why i am asking aproximately the month it will be out
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James, for all of us disk spinners (lol) ,was wondering if the BCD-2 is a forgotten project at this point. It would be a challenge to beat the CD1 but I'm hopeful ...cheers...............redbook : :beer:
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I'll just do a quick response here,I loved my BCD-1 and there was no way I would do a disc less player,
I loved the sound and didn't mind the manual labour of loading discs and also searching thru my 500 cds for one song.
The BDP-2 END OF STORY.
Not knocking the bcd in any respect as like I said I loved mine until I tried the BDP.
I will say if Bryston came out with a BCD-2 or 3,it won't happen for me the BDP's sound just as good and man the convenience of being anywhere in your house and firing her up,making a playlist from 1000's of cds instead of playing one cd for just a couple of songs and tryin to find the damn cd(even if organized)for one song.
Yrs ago we used man to plow the field,then came machinery,and now it saves so much time and even the convenience is a HUGE PLUS.
I was there a few yrs back and I will not go back to that,I still have all my cd's :thumb:.
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James, for all of us disk spinners (lol) ,was wondering if the BCD-2 is a forgotten project at this point. It would be a challenge to beat the CD1 but I'm hopeful ...cheers...............redbook : :beer:
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We are going to look at that once the BDA-3 is done.
james
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Oh good, thanks again :thumb:
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I'll just do a quick response here,I loved my BCD-1 and there was no way I would do a disc less player,
I loved the sound and didn't mind the manual labour of loading discs and also searching thru my 500 cds for one song.
The BDP-2 END OF STORY.
Not knocking the bcd in any respect as like I said I loved mine until I tried the BDP.
I will say if Bryston came out with a BCD-2 or 3,it won't happen for me the BDP's sound just as good and man the convenience of being anywhere in your house and firing her up,making a playlist from 1000's of cds instead of playing one cd for just a couple of songs and tryin to find the damn cd(even if organized)for one song.
Yrs ago we used man to plow the field,then came machinery,and now it saves so much time and even the convenience is a HUGE PLUS.
I was there a few yrs back and I will not go back to that,I still have all my cd's :thumb:.
There are some of us that enjoy putting on a record . It's a carry over from the old days but part of the ritual I guess. Besides , plowing the field was good exercise. :lol: LOL
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Ditto that Redbook :thumb:
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I hope that if the new player comes out it will have a tray loader, please :bowdown:
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I hope that if the new player comes out it will have a tray loader, please :bowdown:
+1 :thumb:
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We are going to look at that once the BDA-3 is done.
james
Awesome, good news. :thumb:
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Oh good there's still hope for this................ :dance:
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I guess it what comes down to is the new drive you found reliable? and will the price point fit in the line? or just be another piece.
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I guess it what comes down to is the new drive you found reliable? and will the price point fit in the line? or just be another piece.
That's a very good point but I trust Bryston to keep reliability as a key factor. :thumb:
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James,
A few years ago we burned almost 5,000 CDs and put the CD's in storage. I still view that as both a colossal waste of time and the depersonalization of the process of simply listening to music.
I miss the tactile access to my music, the selecting of a CD, reading the liner notes and the satisfaction of coming downstairs to see the jewel boxes of last night's music spread haphazardly on the coffee table. For me the inclusion of simply loading a CD player into the listening process is part of the magic of listening to music.
At the moment I am actively looking for a used Bryston CD Player. I would prefer to just be buying a new one from Bryston.
I have owned Bryston equipment for almost 20 years, a pair of the original PMC lb1s completes my system. My Bryston components have never failed me and their timeless quality and the music they create is something that I enjoy immensely.
If Bryston did a crowdfunding to fund a new CD player off the ground I would immediately sign up as a funder. What could be better than getting the new Bryston Player first and having it be the limited edition model to boot?
You can mark me down as a YES
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James,
A few years ago we burned almost 5,000 CDs and put the CD's in storage. I still view that as both a colossal waste of time and the depersonalization of the process of simply listening to music.
I miss the tactile access to my music, the selecting of a CD, reading the liner notes and the satisfaction of coming downstairs to see the jewel boxes of last night's music spread haphazardly on the coffee table. For me the inclusion of simply loading a CD player into the listening process is part of the magic of listening to music.
At the moment I am actively looking for a used Bryston CD Player. I would prefer to just be buying a new one from Bryston.
I have owned Bryston equipment for almost 20 years, a pair of the original PMC lb1s completes my system. My Bryston components have never failed me and their timeless quality and the music they create is something that I enjoy immensely.
If Bryston did a crowdfunding to fund a new CD player off the ground I would immediately sign up as a funder. What could be better than getting the new Bryston Player first and having it be the limited edition model to boot?
You can mark me down as a YES
I agree with you. Something about doing some manual manipulation of loading a CD or dropping the needle on a LP. I like that.
Regarding looking for a used BCD. On those existing BCD-1 out there for sale, I worry about a purchase in the event a transport fails, does Bryston have transports to support service in the event one fails..
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I agree with you. Something about doing some manual manipulation of loading a CD or dropping the needle on a LP. I like that.
Regarding looking for a used BCD. On those existing BCD-1 out there for sale, I worry about a purchase in the event a transport fails, does Bryston have transports to support service in the event one fails..
Yes we still have a lot of transports available. Also heard from a dealer in Alberta that has a BCD-1 for sale in perfect condition. Email me if you want the dealers name. jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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email sent
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I agree with you. Something about doing some manual manipulation of loading a CD or dropping the needle on a LP. I like that.
Regarding looking for a used BCD. On those existing BCD-1 out there for sale, I worry about a purchase in the event a transport fails, does Bryston have transports to support service in the event one fails..
Yes, that manual act of "playing a record" has always been part of the listening experience for me. :thumb:
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Yes, that manual act of "playing a record" has always been part of the listening experience for me. :thumb:
I also like spinning cd's and if I had the room I would buy a new turntable and start building a vinyl collection before going the digital route. I can see why some folks are drawn to the convenience of digital and many feel the sound is superior, but part of my enjoyment is looking for the cd and sometimes while searching I will come across a cd I haven't played in years and it is like a bonus for the search.
My sons both have good two channel systems and one of them is digital and the other is vinyl only. The son that plays vinyl has a cd player but he stored it after building a vinyl collection. So I don't think any of the source methods are dead. I have been thinking about buying a good quality tuner for the last couple of years because I miss listening to the radio. I still have an antenna on the roof and it is wired to the area by my BP-25, so I may still do that.
James, thank you for keeping the project alive.
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I also like spinning cd's and if I had the room I would buy a new turntable and start building a vinyl collection before going the digital route. I can see why some folks are drawn to the convenience of digital and many feel the sound is superior, but part of my enjoyment is looking for the cd and sometimes while searching I will come across a cd I haven't played in years and it is like a bonus for the search.
My sons both have good two channel systems and one of them is digital and the other is vinyl only. The son that plays vinyl has a cd player but he stored it after building a vinyl collection. So I don't think any of the source methods are dead. I have been thinking about buying a good quality tuner for the last couple of years because I miss listening to the radio. I still have an antenna on the roof and it is wired to the area by my BP-25, so I may still do that.
James, thank you for keeping the project alive. I fully agree. It's the same for me. I love going to my cd shelves and searching for a record. In that process of rediscovering the forgotten ones I can enjoy them all over again.. My user name "Spinner" says it all for me, and yes, thanks James for working on this old but timeless concept :dance: