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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Single Driver, Wide-Bandwidth Speakers => Topic started by: ejfud on 30 Jan 2010, 03:27 pm
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Let's get some traffic going in here.
Here's a few of my fullrange speakers. Let's see what else is out there folks.
Starting with the BK-16
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26058)
Fostex FE103 in Fostex enclosure
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26059)
Jordans
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26060)
Fonkens
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26061)
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Gary, it's gonna take a while to just link the pics i have up already!! This is gonna be a bandwidth intense thread.
1st up: The BD-Pipes that started my current FR streak.
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/box-plans/our-1st-BD-pipes.jpg)
and another:
(https://planet10-hifi.com/boxpix/red-pipes.JPG)
The BK101s (with FE103A) i still use regularily in my shop:
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FE103A-BK101.jpg)
the 1st miniOnken (FR125s) that started us on the path to generating a whole family of these boxes.
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/box-plans/bob-miniO.jpg)
Bamboo PAWO with modded FE127e (upgraded to FE127eN now)
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/bambooPAWO-collage.jpg)
Bipolar, bipoles with FR125S on one side & WR125 + tweet on other.
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/box-plans/bipolar-bipoles-wVeneer.jpg)
4.5 litre aperiodic FR125S (our favorite for this driver to date)
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/4L-aperiodic-FR125.jpg)
Tim Forman designed FR125S bipole ML-TLs (the ones with the tweeters are Scott Dunn's)
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/box-plans/CSS-Bipoles-collage.jpg)
Factory TQWT for PHY-HP 8 (this box sucked, too bad it is a beauty)
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/Phy-HP-8-TQWT.jpg)
Fonkens + miniOnken (3rd one is the original)
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/box-plans/fonken-pics-row-tn.jpg)
Bamboo Fonkens
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/bamboo-fonken.jpg)
mFonkens
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/quartet-mFonken.jpg)
uFonken
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/microFonken.jpg)
Fonken167
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/Fonken-167-trio.jpg)
The 1st Frugel-Horns
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images-fh/p10hifi-1.jpg)
Our RonHorn Austin A126
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FH/images/austin-A126.jpg)
Fonken Floorstander Mk II
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/avi-fonkenFSGlamS.jpg)
Castle-style microTowers (EL70eN)
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/castle-el70-800.jpg)
Mileva (FE127eN)
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/cherry-mileva-comp.jpg)
Double Bevel FonkenPrime prototypes
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/doubleChampher-FonkenP.jpg)
F120AeN Fonken-steen
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/fonken-steen-1st-pic.jpg)
Fonken + FonkenWoof proto
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/Fonken+fonkenWoof-comp.jpg)
Classic Golden Ration Fonken
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/GR-Fonken-pics.jpg)
microTower with CHR70eN
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/uTower-inPlay.jpg)
modified Wild Burro Bestsy in the test OBs
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/forum/WildBurro-DSCN2024.jpg)
Same baffle in their storage space with Omnes 8
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/forum/omnes8-ob.jpg)
extended version of the baffle (16 ft wide) with Sounds of Music alnico 6.5
(https://p10hifi.net/planet10/forum/SOMs-wBigBaffle.jpg)
Prototype Mar-Kel70 (primeSize miniOnken with EL70eN)
(https://p10hifi.net//tlinespeakers/FAL/images/Mar-Kel70-protos.jpg)
Buschorn MkII )RS 40-1197)
(https://p10hifi.net/planet10/forum/Buschorn-MkII-chris-ref.jpg)
The Blue & Yellows
(https://p10hifi.net/planet10/forum/blue-n-yellow.jpg)
Seaked Aura NS3
(https://p10hifi.net//planet10/forum/aura-ns3-kit.jpg)
Aiko with Lyeco driver (which sucked, works really well with FE108eS)
(https://p10hifi.net/planet10/forum/Aiko-1st-comp.jpg)
Thirlmere-R prototypes (EL70eN)
(https://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/thirlmere-R-proto.jpg)
I'm sure i missed some but that should give a taste :)
dave
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26101)
fertin 20ex field coil on ob (possibly soon for sale )
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Could we please see some photos from the rear of that speaker HumforGod?
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Thanks guys. Some cool pictures fr sure.
Dave, I thought I'd seen most of the stuff from your lab, but I guess I was wrong. Excellent work. You are a great asset to us fullrange listeners. What did you think of the 8" phy drivers?
I started this thread so someone thinking about the single driver approach could have one place to look at what there options are with pretty pictures.
Keep them coming.
Here's a few more from me.
This is a little box based on a Frazier design using the FE103
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26109)
Coral Flat 6 in an old speaker cabinet sized according to Coral's plans
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26110)
The FE167 also in an old speaker cabinet. Not one of my favorite drivers.
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c254/ejfud/DSCF0045.jpg)
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Dave...you are THE Man! :thumb:
Here are my Lowther based single drivers I've had over the years;
PM2As in the MLTL
(http://www.tnt-audio.com/jpeg/mltl.jpg)
The Medallions
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=6108)
their entrails
(http://www.tnt-audio.com/jpeg/medallion.jpg)
Lowthers in the Teresonic Cabinets
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=7430)
This is the design I finally setted on. I serious doubt I'll ever move from this configuration.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=19782)
...and then Mark Blackmore's Lowthers on a Stick (PM6A)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=20433)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=20437)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=20435)
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I should probably not post my humble photos, especially after the beautiful speakers from Dave, Scott, etc.
These were my first open baffle speakers from a couple years ago. Not very nice looking but sounded excellent.
I used the Fostex F200A full range with 15" Hawthorne Audio Augie for helper woofers.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26115)
Most recently I had a pair of Supravox 215-2000 Field Coil open baffle drivers on JE Labs baffles built with Plyboo. I loved these speakers. They sounded incredible. The old point and shoot photos do not do justice to the beauty of the bamboo or the driver.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26116)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26117)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26118)
-Nick
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What did you think of the 8" phy drivers?
They really need a tweeter. And in that box they sucked.
dave
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I should probably not post my humble photos, especially after the beautiful speakers from Dave, Scott, etc.
Thanx for posting that. It really illustrates how simple a very good FR (FAST in your cas) can be.
dave
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26156)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26157)
browntrout, here is the curved ob fertin from the back
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Nice, I like those, did you do the work yourself?
Nig :D
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yes , i did , took me forever to figure it out , but wasn't that hard in the end.
inspired as some might recognize by helix to heaven from blackforest audio.
http://www.blackforestaudio.de/cms/upload/bfa/presse_testberichte/AP_03_04_HelixMammut.pdf (http://www.blackforestaudio.de/cms/upload/bfa/presse_testberichte/AP_03_04_HelixMammut.pdf)
here is a german review showing some good photos.
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OK, here are my Jordan home theater speakers (LCR). Simple sealed box, nothing fancy -
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26215)
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Very pretty.
dave
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yes , i did , took me forever to figure it out , but wasn't that hard in the end.
inspired as some might recognize by helix to heaven from blackforest audio.
http://www.blackforestaudio.de/cms/upload/bfa/presse_testberichte/AP_03_04_HelixMammut.pdf (http://www.blackforestaudio.de/cms/upload/bfa/presse_testberichte/AP_03_04_HelixMammut.pdf)
here is a german review showing some good photos.
Nice work hum4god. Love the look of those Fertins :thumb:
Nig
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Hey John, I will have to have a listen to those next time I am down :wink:
Nig :eyebrows:
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Veravox 5S bipole-
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3618/3667098657_6ae824528a_b.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3638049871_424c866651_b.jpg)
Veravox 5S in BiB with Bandor 50mm Sphere's
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/3029865619_07d24ee12f_o.jpg)
Veravox 5S BiB's
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/3309367302_49ce0ce92a_b.jpg)
Bandor 50mm Spheres close up
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/2292695190_a073fcb270_o.jpg)
CSS FR125S in 11L Sealed
(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4412/pict0734zm1.jpg)
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I know a pic is worth 1,000 words, but we need some words, too as to which designs work good, better and best.
Thanks for post the pics!
-Roy
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Thanks very much for showing humforgod. Very few would go to the effort you have. I prefer your gentler curve over the German speakers theirs is more a three sided cabinet as opposed to a curved open baffle.
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Frugalhorn, Planet 10 FE 126E music with Sonic Impact Gen 2
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26278)
Fonken FE 127E for music with Sonic Impact Gen 1
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26276)
I don't know the name, saw it on ZillzSpeak and I think Planet 10 I now have Fe 127E 7.1 surround and Pioneer 4.5fr in 5.1 surround
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26277)
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Dave...you are THE Man! :thumb:
Here are my Lowther based single drivers I've had over the years;
This is the design I finally setted on. I serious doubt I'll ever move from this configuration.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=19782)
Scott-
Did you use a gasket between the PMA2 and the plexiglass?
Aloha,
Dan
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Here is my Fostex shop speakers
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=21612)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=21613)
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Did you use a gasket between the PMA2 and the plexiglass?
Aloha,
Dan
Hi Dan,
No, I don't use a gasket. I did use a rubber coated washer on the back side of the through bolts so I didn't crack the acrylic on the back of the baffle.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=27704)
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Here is What I Have Been Listening To.
Sachiko with Fostex Sigma 208 drivers.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=27871)
Here is the other diffuser:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=27873)
What I used previously. Audio Nirvana Super 12 full range driver.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=17097)
The first full range speaker I started with is these:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=17008)
Prior to them I have owned a pair of Cabasse Farella 401 and Catalane 500, which were my first high efficiency speakers.
Regards
Mister Pig
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Hey!
Well, a little late but here is my system as of April, 2010. Haven't changed much beside the addition of plants replacing my TV that used to be in the middle. :D
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4532944353_5f954577f4_o.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/4533579740_a25cca978d_o.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4532945099_a4fd40509b_o.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4533580890_119d42599e_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2702/4533580474_f383d8d3be_o.jpg)
The speaker based on Fostex FE167E running full range with FT17H as super tweeter. I built them back in 2002. :D Hmm... I will have to find time to take picture of my system at night. :wink:
Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
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Nice Set Man. I see you have done a phase plug tweak, is that a valve you are using? Hey also, what is that BIG SS amp you have on the floor?
Mr C :D
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Look at the big Tiger! :) WOW!
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Look at the big Tiger! :) WOW!
Hey!
No, he's just a pussycat :lol: Yeah, sometime I think of him as a miniature tiger. :wink:
Nice Set Man. I see you have done a phase plug tweak, is that a valve you are using? Hey also, what is that BIG SS amp you have on the floor?
Mr C :D
Thanks, my system haven't changed much for almost a decade now. I like it. :D
Yes, I did the phase plug tweak. I used acrylic rod for this but to think of it now, maybe softer wood would be better.
Anyway, my amps. A pair of Welborne Labs "Apollo" with KR Audio 842VHD output tube and GE 6EA7/6EM7 driver tube. They put out 18w/ch. I bought these as a kit back in December 1999 and have been with them ever since.... 10 years now. :wink: They are beautiful in both sound and look. They are long discontinued.
The worst part of these is that now a pair of KR 842VHD tube cost $1100pr! :o When I got the amps they only cost $475pr. But the good part is that they will last me about 10 years. I have 7 years on my last pair and they still sound good so I guess I could get a few more years out of them.
As for the big SS amp that you see is a PS Audio P600 power regenerator. Yes, it is actually a SS amp driving the AC for my system. I've been using this since early 2002.
Anyway, there is something special about Single Driver with SET together. And these combo works well for me. And I'm fortunate that I have a pretty decent room right now. :D
Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
PS
That room is also my bedroom. :lol: I sleep on a futon that can be roll away to the back of the listening chair. Well, you do need to be creative with space when you are living in NYC :wink:
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Hi SET Man,
How did you design your beautiful Fostex speakers?! Is that a custom TQWT design? Very bold -- I'd love to know more.
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Hi SET Man,
How did you design your beautiful Fostex speakers?! Is that a custom TQWT design? Very bold -- I'd love to know more.
Hey!
Beautiful? I think you are the first to say that. :lol: Thanks. Yes, it is based on TQWT. I think a simpler explanation would be think of it as BIB of which is very similar to that but up side down. :wink:
Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
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Since we're sending a little love to SET Man, I'll throw in cudos for the Victrola. Is it playable, and do you have the 78's for it?
My wife inherited a stand-up model like the one on the left side of this webpage.
http://www.victor-victrola.com/
We have a box of those thick 78's. Very cool to listen to every now and then.
I'd love to have a fully operational table top. Have fun... it looks like you do! :thumb:
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Buddy's system has changed very little, except the opening at first was towards the front while now, it is towards the rear.
For the last couple times I have heard it, I think the first time must have been like 5-6 years ago, the drivers continued to break in. Now, they are very smooth, fast and clear.
Buddy, what is that you put on the tweeters?
As always, Mr. Bubbles still steals the show.
No more TV love? Ah, I got not stinkin' TV in my shoebox of audioroom either....my laptop will have to do.
Paul K :thumb:
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Buddy's system has changed very little, except the opening at first was towards the front while now, it is towards the rear.
For the last couple times I have heard it, I think the first time must have been like 5-6 years ago, the drivers continued to break in. Now, they are very smooth, fast and clear.
Buddy, what is that you put on the tweeters?
As always, Mr. Bubbles still steals the show.
No more TV love? Ah, I got not stinkin' TV in my shoebox of audioroom either....my laptop will have to do.
Paul K :thumb:
Hey!
Yup, no more TV in the middle. :D Actually it sound better without the TV. And with all the plants I actually feel better too. :D
You were the first in NYAR group to hear my system. I think that was back in early 2005. By then I have had my speaker for about 2 years already. So, you have seen and heard evolution of my speaker since it early years. Amazingly I still have them today! :lol:
Oh! The ring around the tweeter is polyester batting left over from speaker building. I just hole in them and put them on. Yes, it sound better, the speaker seems to do the disappearing trick better. :D
Since we're sending a little love to SET Man, I'll throw in cudos for the Victrola. Is it playable, and do you have the 78's for it?
My wife inherited a stand-up model like the one on the left side of this webpage.
http://www.victor-victrola.com/
We have a box of those thick 78's. Very cool to listen to every now and then.
I'd love to have a fully operational table top. Have fun... it looks like you do! :thumb:
Thanks for all your loves! :lol: A little off topic here.. but after all it is a full range single driver also if you think about it. :wink:
My machine is a Victor "Type E" Yes, it is in 100% working condition after 108 years! :D Actually I had it motor overhauled back in April 2008 because one of the original spring broke after a Century. And I replaced the gaskets on the reproducer and fine tuned it. So, now it got new springs, cleaned and sound better than when I first got it. Should last me another 100 years. :lol:
That's a good site with lots of good info there. The Victrola on that page is likely an early one maybe it is the "L" door. You can have it overhaul if you like. But most floor stander models don't go for much so sometime it will cost more to overhaul the motor and reproducer than the machine it worth in the market. But if you plan to keep it, enjoy it and pass it on to your children than maybe it worth it. The outside horn models do cost more but it is beautiful.
Yes, I do have some old 78s to play on this beauty. Check out this thread, post #6...
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=78763.0 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=78763.0)
I will post some more of these old records when I have time. :D Anyway, my dream is to have a bigger machine with the wooden horn... maybe someday :D
Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
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Custom made Hedlund horns with AER M
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=29275)
D3B drivers
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Wow Cole,
That picture is a heckuva first post. Beautiful speakers.
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Custom made Hedlund horns with AER M
D3B drivers
Hey!
Nice! I have only seen these on the internet. Wish I have a chance to listen to them :D
What amp, pre and etc are you using with those speaker. :D
Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=29305)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=29306)
Tripath based amp Promitheus audio TVC passive preamp Promitheus audio NOS dac custom made diy cables
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Here's a design that I did the homework for in 2008, and didn't have it making music until April 2009, the "Whetstones". These speakers are my own take on the ideal small single-driver monitor, and they've received plenty of comments since being finished, beginning at Dayton DIY where they took third place in the under-$200 category -- the only single-driver speaker to do so from among three contenders -- and then again at Iowa DIY where someone called them "the best single-driver speakers I've ever heard." An audiophile friend of mine said "they image at least as well as my Maggies" (MMG's), and as I was giving a demonstration to another friend, when I asked him if he had any requests, he responded "Yeah. I request the speakers."
The driver is the Tang Band W4-1052SD, in a reflex enclosure tuned to 65 Hz, with an eight-component contouring network that does BSC, shelving of the rising midrange, and notch filtering, with a bypass 'air' cap to get back some of the treble energy. The Whetstones have excellent output all the way out to 17kHz and all the way down to 60 Hz, with about an 83dB sensitivity, which suits smaller solid-state amps like the T-amp and NuForce Icon-1 nicely. They're competitive with other small single-driver designs.
http://sites.google.com/site/taterworksaudio/whetstones (http://sites.google.com/site/taterworksaudio/whetstones)
(http://www.deathspawner.net/friends/rory/www/images/iowa_front.jpg)
Photo Credit: J. Andreasen
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SET man,
Does the guy staring at you from the right side of your right speaker creep you out? Don't you see him there? He's the one in the dark glasses.
I know it's an optical illusion, but I noticed it in both pics.
Are those black plastic covered bass traps, or covers over something your no longer using?
Surely I'm not the only one to see him...
John
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SET man,
Does the guy staring at you from the right side of your right speaker creep you out? Don't you see him there? He's the one in the dark glasses.
I know it's an optical illusion, but I noticed it in both pics.
Are those black plastic covered bass traps, or covers over something your no longer using?
Surely I'm not the only one to see him...
John
Hey!
What guy? :icon_surprised: Dude you're freaking me out man! :o
Do you mean the vinyl LP cover on my LP rack? If so that is the John Lennon's "Imagine" album. I hope that is what you see :icon_lol:
Those panels with plastic bag over them are actually Magnepan 1.5. My previous speaker. They were out of the system since 2002 but somehow I never got around to sell them yet. Maybe I should now. :D
Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
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Yeah, I see him too.
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Buddy,
It's the dude I circled in orange.....
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=29542)
John
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MightyM, I have tried to see what you are referring to but I see nothing as you describe!
Weird.
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Buddy,
It's the dude I circled in orange.....
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=29542)
John
I want some of what mightym is smokin'!
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Come on guys, don't you see him? It looks just like this guy.
(http://skopje.manme.org.uk/img/page/285.jpg)
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Come on guys, don't you see him? It looks just like this guy.
(http://skopje.manme.org.uk/img/page/285.jpg)
Ok, I'm not picky. I'll take some of whatever mightym OR S Clark is smokin'.
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+1 and I also want an order for an asthma pump!
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Looks like the cat had some too!
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Mr. Bubbles is styling, after the smoke. :icon_twisted:
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Buddy,
It's the dude I circled in orange.....
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=29542)
John
Hey!
Man! And he is wearing glasses too? :scratch: I know that I sometime see things. But I don't know about this one :icon_lol:
But I feel kindna relieve now.... I thought you saw a ghost in my picture or something. Now that would be spooky when I listen to music with dimmed light :lol:
Come on guys, don't you see him? It looks just like this guy.
(http://skopje.manme.org.uk/img/page/285.jpg)
Yup, very abstract indeed. :D
Mr. Bubbles is styling, after the smoke. :icon_twisted:
You know you should have seen him after he had some of the cat's weed.... I mean catnip :D It's very funny looking at his wide opened eyes while he's trippin' on catnip. :lol:
Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
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No smoke for me, I quit that stuff in the '80's, quit Tobacco in '06.
He kinda reminds me of Big Paul Teutel, from the TV show "American Choppers" ( Owner of Orange County Choppers ).
And after all, I didn't say it was a good picture, I was just lookin', and it was like, hey dude, like there's someone staring at the cat man....over in the corner...don't you see him?
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Lowther DX3.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=46790)
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HI cafyon,
Beautiful cabs. Are they your own design? They seem to have similar proportions to the Lowther Alerion cabs (but those are for ~6" Lowthers).
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Here's a herd of horns. ( Frugal Horn Mk3 )
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=46895)
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Tang Band WE1808 Open Baffles.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=46890)
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Betsy Open Baffles.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=46892)
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My current Mar-Ken's w/MarkAudio Alpair 10.2's, (eNABled.)
I knew it was a mistake to listen before veneering!!
don
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=46902)
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The Zu Omen and Tekton 4.5.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=44345)
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The Zu Omen and Tekton 4.5.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=44345)
The Tekton's look a lot like my "Hi-Tweek Black Box Nearfield Monitors." Great minds think alike.
Here's a picture of them (they're on the right side:^) taken at VSAC 2008:
(http://www.enjoythemusic.com/vsac_2008/70.jpg)
Best Regards,
TerryO
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Hey Terry, those look great, & downright "portable" too! Perhaps they need a trip north this summer?!
Best, don
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Hey Terry, those look great, & downright "portable" too! Perhaps they need a trip north this summer?!
Best, don
Hi Don,
I've actually had the "Hi-Tweek" speakers at a couple of previous meets on the Mountain. I'm hoping to have one, or two (3?) new speakers ready for this coming Summer.
How many do you plan on bringing?
Best Regards,
Terry
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Ok Guy's, I have really enjoyed looking at all the pictures of your full range driver speakers. But I don't get it, Do these designs have real bass? I mean do you just say these speakers are so good in other areas I don't mind no bass response?
I have never heard a full range driver system. Inquiring mind wants to know........ 8)
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Ok Guy's, I have really enjoyed looking at all the pictures of your full range driver speakers. But I don't get it, Do these designs have real bass? I mean do you just say these speakers are so good in other areas I don't mind no bass response?
Some of these do just fine in the bass. Some just reach the point where they can comfortably be crossed to powered woofers placed elsewhere (in most cases a real need to get real bass in a real room, ref Toole, Geddes)
What they all generally do really well is that they are seemless, something a multiway with a crossover is really challenged to do.
dave
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Ok Guy's, I have really enjoyed looking at all the pictures of your full range driver speakers. But I don't get it, Do these designs have real bass? I mean do you just say these speakers are so good in other areas I don't mind no bass response?
I have never heard a full range driver system. Inquiring mind wants to know........ 8)
Hey!
Well, I can't say for 4" driver.... I've never heard one in horn loaded.
Most SD speakers based on 6" and 8"+ in a well tuned back horned loaded can do bass very well and low enough, some can go down to mid 30's, especially with room load gain. But one thing they can't do is having the bass impact like 12" driver.
I have been with my DIY SD speaker since 2002 and I don't feel like I missed anything with the musics and the level I listen to. Actually I find the bass sound more natural, you've got to hear a acoustic bass through them. Of course they also got other goodies that come with xoverless single driver design :wink:
You just have to hear it for yourself to believe. You might like it or you might not. But If you have a chance to hear a good back horn loaded single driver speak, make sure you don't pass it up.
Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
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Here are some pictures of my Fountek FR88EX based desktop speaker.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=46271)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=46272)
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Are those martello?
dave
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Yes, They are Martello's. Check out my gallery for build pics. I just disassembled them so I can finish the cabinets with veneer.
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Ok Guy's, I have really enjoyed looking at all the pictures of your full range driver speakers. But I don't get it, Do these designs have real bass? I mean do you just say these speakers are so good in other areas I don't mind no bass response?
I have never heard a full range driver system. Inquiring mind wants to know........ 8)
AudioSoul,
You've hit the nail on the head (and why I don't always see eye-2-eye with other single driver fans). Most have deluded themselves into believing XX amount of bass (frequency/output) doesn't exist or doesn't matter (isn't foundational, a good pun). The single driver crowd hangs around SET's and high efficiency designs. And the easiest way to achieve high efficiency is to cut out deep bass.
Sorry I haven't posted an image, but you can see my speakers here:
http://brinesacoustics.com/Pages/FTA-2000/Main.html
In terms of cost/bass from a single driver solution, these are the real deals. I've been a fan of transmission line bass (that extends response that matches room gain) and midrange (backwave reflected away) for decades. Bob was a great guy to work with and does good work. Bob's description for the stock speakers is spot on. It's Fostex F200A driver is rated 30 - 20,000 Hz raw:
https://www.madisound.com/store/manuals/fostexdrivers/f200a.pdf
Not your run of mill extended range driver (AlNiCo midrange magic, real bass, only average efficiency, currently running with 100 watt monoblocks, but wouldn't mind 200 watts if the right deal popped up). Output is limited to "reasonable" levels, it's only real limitation for use with music IMO.
I've made two upgrades: replaced the baffle step/zobel circuits with DEQ (flat frequency response is epiphanic); and the drivers have received EnABL treatments (to add high frequency output and gobs of mid/high frequency resolution). So today's retail cost to replace would be pushing $3500.
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A couple recent builds.
Bernie's solid fir Mar-Ken12
(http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/bernie-marKen12-comp.jpg)
Classic Golden Ratio Mar-Ken12 (based on the above, but an easier build)
(http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/CGR-Mar-Ken12-comp.jpg)
And a set of dMar-Ken7 in stranded bamboo ply.
(http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/dMar-Ken7-bamboo.jpg)
(http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/5-sides-bamboo-MarKen.jpg)
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Alpha H Frame/Tekton al amode
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=47452)
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I'll bet that sounds as crisp as it looks, Poultrygeist. I like the H frames painted like that. I may be compelled to copy you!
I like the plant diffusors, too. :)
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=47458)
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Russell, I'm crazy about the DIY H Frames which give a natural low end that's been missing from my full rangers. The best part is they don't sound like plodding subs.
The H -Frames are Zinsser primed and roller painted with one 8 oz Behr Ultra Silver Hill sample from HD with flat black molding trim on the front. Copy away my friend.
The plants add to the al amode's organic presentation. :)
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HI cafyon,
Beautiful cabs. Are they your own design? They seem to have similar proportions to the Lowther Alerion cabs (but those are for ~6" Lowthers).
Thanks rjbond3rd.
No they are not my design. They are manufactured by adisa, a DIY & tube enthusiast from TR. Quoting from him:
The original design was from Klang&Ton for Vifa driver and ribbon tweeter. Later the original design was modified by a German DIYer to allow usage of Lowther and Fostex drivers. It is said this modification topped its popularity. adisa-the-manufacturer made a few internal modding like deepening the damping area behind driver's back and cancelling tweeter & its volume. Outer measurements & design are intact, wrt to German-modified-version of course. His final version was finalized with 8" Lowther PM2C.
It's my inconvenience that I haven't asked adisa for further details. If I did, he would have filled me up with all information eventually.
It was a greatest chance for me because I nearly grabbed the cabinets (w/o drivers), free of charge, thanks to adisa and owner of the showroom which they've been displayed. Since the drivers have returned to cabinets' manufacturer I bought a pair of earlier generation Lowther DX3 drivers from a friend of mine who was planning to move his house to a smaller space. Under usual circumstances I am not that lucky, but these went well! :D
Anyway, "with a little bit luck" I have my fullranges ready. But they deserve cuter amplification than the current HCT HMS-100 (OEM of FatMan and dared MP-5).
I've just checked Alerion on Enjoy the Music, as you mentioned they use DX55 and they just look like scaled down twins of mine. Thanks for the info.
:wave:
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Finally finished my Martello's
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=48323)
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Nice looking build Jeff. How are they working out for your desktop. What are you driving them with? SQ?
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Nice looking build Jeff. How are they working out for your desktop. What are you driving them with? SQ?
They sound really good on my desk. Believe it or not, right now I just have them connected to an old Cambridge Soundworks computer 2.1 system. So they are connected to the powered sub and use the amp in the sub. It sounds very good. The speakers seem to disappear. I'm looking to get an amp and lower cost USB DAC later for the desktop system.
Earlier today, I placed them in my main system and powered them with my Adcom GFA-555. Amazing the sound that can come out of such a small speaker.
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Are you sure that Adcom has enough power to drive those Fountek's??:)
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I call these my Tubal Libations. :lol:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=48873)
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Well done! The "tableaux" looks very harmonious-- the white pickets, the speakers, and of course, the wine!
don
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After a carafe or two the Tubals really open up! :lol:
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My Frugel Horn MK3 A7eN:
(http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/uploads/45/user_7469_large_d870e2ed2256b19edd5e65a3784e01ba.jpg)
Just need to sand and stain em to finish...that will mean I have to disconect them from the stereo...and that won't be happening anytime soon! :D
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JRace,
That's a great job on the Frugal Horn Mk3. Really handsome. I've built four so far and they're great in 5.1 but will be better if I can come up with a center channel. I went with the Fostex Fe126En.
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I've built four so far..........
Man....I want to build a pair of these in the worst way.......dang work gets in the way.
This fall for sure......thinking a dark cherry to go with the rest of my diy speaks.
You guys do beautiful work....
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My DIY Tang Band WE1808 over 15 inch Alpha H Frames, thanks to MJK
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49868)
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JRace,
That's a great job on the Frugal Horn Mk3. Really handsome. I've built four so far and they're great in 5.1 but will be better if I can come up with a center channel. I went with the Fostex Fe126En.
If you don't already have an enclosure design for the center channel, a QNDD guess would be 4 liter or so, vent tuning circa 110Hz.
Both Fostex's "recommended" enclosures for this driver are not among their best.
Now, I only build these things, so don't ask me what modifications would be necessary to tuning, but it couldn't hurt to try this design
http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/box-plans/mFonken-0v999-map.pdf (http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/box-plans/mFonken-0v999-map.pdf)
Chamfers are optional, but if you're laying it sideways, I'd run them on the short edges
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If you don't already have an enclosure design for the center channel, a QNDD guess would be 4 liter or so, vent tuning circa 110Hz.
This enclosure is designed but not drawn, a response to seeing Fostex recommended BR which has a really ugly bass alignment. And to show that without helper woofers or a horn, you won't get bass out of an FE126.
Plans will be free for download.
dave
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Thanks guys
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Hi,
My sealed 4" full ranger mounted in 4-5litre box. Use them as my desktop speakers. Sounds good to me, I am buying another pair which costs about $80, spl rated at 88dB at 4 ohm impedance. I can use tube amp(12watts) to drive them to fairly loud level.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49939)
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ttan98,
What driver is that?
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By the fabulous Louis!
Near field heaven!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49947)
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ttan98,
What driver is that?
I got them from Louis in China, currently they run out of stock, once available I will post their website here. BTW I am not associated with the seller.
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tabrink,
Thanks for the pic :thumb:
The set up for my main rig is similar, but my desk is back about 10 feet, which gives enough room for a chair in front to provide unobstructed Cardas formulated nearfield listening (with speakers again the perscribed Cardas distance from front/side walls in a Cardas "Golden Cuboid" proportioned room). With monoblocks wired directly to the drivers the image snaps into place from "the" chair (even 8 year olds have heard it and get "big eyes").
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I got them from Louis in China, currently they run out of stock, once available I will post their website here. BTW I am not associated with the seller.
Would be interested in finding out more information (ts specs) about the driver. Is that a whizzer cone? Don't see very many 4" with whizzers. Thanks.
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My Audio Nirvana Super 8 Alnico in OB
(http://)
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Those Super 8's look great but they'll take you to another level if you add some H Frame Alphas.
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Hey that avatar looks familiar... ;)
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50791)
Planet 10 Neopolitin dMar-Ken7 beside my recently built 10 Frugel-Horn-MK3
Both with Mark Audio Alpair7eN.
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JRace,
Very nice. Can you describe the difference in sound you get from the dMar-Ken7 and Frugel-Horn-MK3?
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Neopolitin dMar-Ken7
For those thinking ice cream, these are Neopolitan stranded bamboo plywood, some 60% stiffer than "regular" bamboo plywood.
dave
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Wow! My hats are off to you guys. Just beautiful work! How gratifying it must be. Just beautiful! Exceptional thread, thank YOU.
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JRace,
Very nice. Can you describe the difference in sound you get from the dMar-Ken7 and Frugel-Horn-MK3?
Frugel - Able to hit the lower bass notes with better authority
dMar-Ken7 - More detailed depth of soundstage and slightly wider in presentation.
Otherwise there is some slight HF differences (Frugel seems smoother with high-hats and 'shimmering' sounds). this could be due to either
a) more time in the frugels = more break in??
b) the frugels are slightly angled putting my ears slightly off axis (vertically) in comparison to the dMar-Ken7's.
I would take either based on sound alone. Although I could live without a sub and the Frugels, not so with the dMar-Ken7's.
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Wild Burro Betsy folded OB speakers
(http://)
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A couple more:
A more conventional set of Mar-Ken12T (Chris)
(http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/Mar-Ken12-cherry-comp.jpg)
A trapezodal uFonkenSET with the new FF85wk (Bernie's work, solid locust)
(http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/uFonkenSE-comp.jpg)
sitting on the now finished Mar-Kel70 from my 1st post in this thread.
(http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/uFonkenSE-Mar-Kel.jpg)
And a family photo from just after diyFEST (notall members in attendance)
(http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/ken-to-getherComp.jpg)
dave
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~snip~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/images/ken-to-getherComp.jpg)
dave
Dave,
Nice pictures of the various speakers. I find the balcony railing behind the speakers pictured to be very attractive as well!!!
:thumb:
Best Regards,
TerryO
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Whole lotta Fonkin & Mar-ken goin' on!
best
don
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I find the balcony railing behind the speakers pictured to be very attractive as well!!!
Weren't you one of the constructioneers on that project :D
dave
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Whole lotta Fonkin & Mar-ken goin' on!
best
don
frankly my dear, I'd rather be ....
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Weren't you one of the constructioneers on that project :D
dave
Yes I was, just fishing for complements :green:
Best Regards,
TerryO
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Yes I was, just fishing for complements :green:
We sure appreciate the exra room it gives, and Zabu likes that we've jerry-rigged a cover and regualrily sleeps there.
dave
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AER MKI's in some resonating test mules.
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c254/ejfud/DSCF0347.jpg)
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c254/ejfud/DSCF0336.jpg)
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c254/ejfud/DSCF0348.jpg)
Will be swapping out a few drivers into these cabinets over the next few months. Should be fun.
Can see my FE103's in the background as well.
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ejfud,
How do you form the sides? That shape fasinates me, please keep us updated.
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These are a fun build. All the details can be seen at the link below.
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/greencones.htm
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nice work
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Omnes Audio L8 ...
(http://www.abload.de/thumb/b-31b-breitbnderdesktb3e38.jpg) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b-31b-breitbnderdesktb3e38.jpg)
... over two Alpha 15A in open baffle:
(http://www.abload.de/thumb/b-37-frontrechtsdesktxoc6a.jpg) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b-37-frontrechtsdesktxoc6a.jpg)
(http://www.abload.de/thumb/b-40-rckseitedesktopajndjt.jpg) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b-40-rckseitedesktopajndjt.jpg)
(http://www.abload.de/thumb/b-41-rckseitebreitbndgpfn7.jpg) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b-41-rckseitebreitbndgpfn7.jpg)
Complete gallery of its building phase incl. test baffles to be found here:
http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-104-22355.html#7
Regards,
Till
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Omnes Audio L8 ...
(http://www.abload.de/thumb/b-31b-breitbnderdesktb3e38.jpg) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b-31b-breitbnderdesktb3e38.jpg)
... over two Alpha 15A in open baffle:
(http://www.abload.de/thumb/b-37-frontrechtsdesktxoc6a.jpg) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b-37-frontrechtsdesktxoc6a.jpg)
(http://www.abload.de/thumb/b-40-rckseitedesktopajndjt.jpg) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b-40-rckseitedesktopajndjt.jpg)
(http://www.abload.de/thumb/b-41-rckseitebreitbndgpfn7.jpg) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b-41-rckseitebreitbndgpfn7.jpg)
Complete gallery of its building phase incl. test baffles to be found here:
http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-104-22355.html#7
Regards,
Till
Oh wow! Those are absolutely stunning! That is some amazing work!!
Scott
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Hi.
I am new here so I think its rigt to post a pic. of my fullrange system.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=55464)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=55465)
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Audio Nirvana Super 6.5's in a @1 cu-ft BR cab running full range with TL low frequency under 50Hz. I'm bi-amping with 2A3 for the AN's and SS for the LF. I just got these up and running downstairs about a week or so ago. The test baffles on the upper cabs are going to be replaced to match the LF cabs. The more I listen to them, the more I am really liking what I am hearing.
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l220/dou1/Audio%20Nirvana%20Super%2065/PC220176.jpg)
RC
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I've got to hear these soon Ron.
Great build!
Audio Nirvana Super 6.5's in a @1 cu-ft BR cab running full range with TL low frequency under 50Hz. I'm bi-amping with 2A3 for the AN's and SS for the LF. I just got these up and running downstairs about a week or so ago. The test baffles on the upper cabs are going to be replaced to match the LF cabs. The more I listen to them, the more I am really liking what I am hearing.
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l220/dou1/Audio%20Nirvana%20Super%2065/PC220176.jpg)
RC
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Thanks Gary! These have exceeded my expectations in more than a couple of areas so far. I'm pretty pleased.
RC
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These are awesome. I want to make some frugalhorns someday for sure.
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A picture of my JohnBlue Audio Art JB3s, along with a little something for scale:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=58714)
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Here's my mini Jordans (really early Mark Audios I believe) with bass bins. The are driven by a big old stand alone sub amp.
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c254/ejfud/DSCF0352.jpg)
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Under $300 bi-amped OB's
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=54619)
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Visaton B200 full range with Eminence Alpha 15 in H Frame. Bi amped with 2A3 SET on Visaton and dual plate amps on Alpha 15s (many thanks to those who helped me out):
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=59018)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=59019)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=59020)
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The Alphas are a good choice.
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Time for some surgery on those B200s. :wink:
http://www.planet10-hifi.com/pp-info.html
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You know I've thought about it, but haven't pulled the trigger. It's that much of an improvement?
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You know I've thought about it, but haven't pulled the trigger. It's that much of an improvement?
Me thinks and I'm not alone. :D
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An old vacuum tube works well as a phase plug.
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An old vacuum tube works well as a phase plug.
Not really... all those grids & plates & wires rattling around.
dave
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Works for me and I don't sell either.
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Are dual concentrics allowed? I dunno. I see lots of whizzer cones so...
Here's my 15" Tannoy Golds:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=59205)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=59206)
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Are dual concentrics allowed? I dunno. I see lots of whizzer cones so...
it's probably the separate voice coil and XO network (as opposed to contour / notch filtering sometimes employed in "single driver" systems) that would be the line in the sand, but none the less, gorgeous vintages boxes those
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i know i have posted pics of these on this forum, but not in this thread. there are decware modded fostex fe206e's in oris 150 horns. 300hz on up. from 80-300hz, are 15" fostex pro-audio woofers stuck inside modified klipsch lascala bass-bins. below 80hz are a pair of wintage megawoofer'd vmps larger subs. several low-power tube amp choices on the oris' - almarro a205a mkll, akai m8 r-2-r tapedeck amps, wintage electorhome amp, and two custom home-brew amps, one w/6v6, the other w/el84's. the lascala's get either a ~25wpc gainclone or a ucd180 amp. the subs get a pair of electrocompaniet aw75dmb's... x-over is deqx 2.6 pdc. (the tad/pioneer ribbon tweet shown in the pics has never been used w/this system.)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=13740)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=13741)
doug s.
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BLH with Fostex Fe207E. Thinking about adding Heil AMTs to help with the upper frequency range.
Or maybe I will bypass this step and build a new BLH but with the Lowther PM5.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=60333)
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Here we go... I've got quite a few things to put up
Aiko BLHs- my main system:
Fostex FE108e Sigma
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70024)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70026)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70027)
My old main system:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70029)
Desktops for my brother:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70030)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70031)
Desktop monitor for a friend:
Swans Tweeter + Fostex FW168HR
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70033)
Garage speakers:
Dayton ND105?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70028)
Home theater speakers (go behind cloth so you can't see them...):
Mark Audio 10.2s
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70025)
I feel like I am missing something but close enough... Hope y'all enjoy!
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I'm really digging the Fostex 4" bamboo TABAQ design....
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=74475)
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Love the copper suprabaffles. Nice work all the way around realy.
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Had these CSS drivers sitting around my studio for a couple years. Beauty of a little driver deserved a special little cabinet - Padauk and Maple
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75761)
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what cabinet is this? ( is there someone who has a box plan ? )
I would like to build these myself for my Lowther dx3
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=46790)
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76898)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76899)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76900)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76901)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76902)
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Those look familiar :D
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77450)
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Meet the family
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=87968)
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Meet the family
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=87968)
That's a dang nice family photo. Thanks for sharing.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92248)
(hi ejfud!)
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Hey Redboy! Thanks for sharing your system. It's a treat to hear when I get the chance.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76898)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76899)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76900)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76901)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76902)
Beautiful. What are the big subs behind those speakers?
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Hifi those are old av123 15 subs that I converted to seaton sound 15s with motor city customs Huge driver and 1000 watt amp
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Jordan JS92x Onken-style monitors I built years ago. Can't find a link to the plans anymore, but they were very much like the Fostex Solo-103.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156366)
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My Madisound BK-12M. Obviously nothing too special compared to what I'm seeing on this thread, but I thought the gloss black turned out pretty well.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=175885)
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These are a bit old as I built them in 2011 :o SuperPensil12 with Mark Audio Alpair 12 and custom MarKen12 Centre courtesy of Dave (planet10)
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My Oris-150's that I just finished. Used the 8" Voxativ AC-2.8 drivers with exceptional results driven full range. Years ago I had a pair of Oris 150's with AER BD-3's and the Voxativ spanks the AER in this application. The base enclosures are self made based around 15" drivers with a simple shelf low pass to reinforce lows.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=195784)
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W8-2145 tang band
center channel
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=201627)
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=201638)
Great synergy, Lowther DX4 & Yamamoto 45 tube amp.
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=201638)
Great synergy, Lowther DX4 & Yamamoto 45 tube amp.
From all the setups I see, this I bet sounds glorious. There is an appeal to the Lowthers and those nicely finished cabinets. :thumb:
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Wow! Really enjoyed looking at everyone's beautiful work. Here are my 10" Audio Nirvana DIY speakers. I still need to veneer them. Hopefully get them done in the next month or so.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=201811)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=201812)
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Nice
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=201851)
Frugal Horn MK3 with Coral Holey Basket drivers and planar tweeters
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You guys do nice work. This is my second effort, a pair of FrugelHorn XLs with Alpair 10p drivers. I like this photo because the white drivers don't look so hot against the dark faux wood. I posted this same photo on introductions. New as of today.
I was warned not to get into full-range drivers to start because they "beam" and they lack highs and lows. I have found none of these things to be true. I even attached a pair of super tweeters to see if the highs could be improved, but they were completely superfluous. And, for music anyway, bass is quite good, IMHO.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=203324)
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Sorry! I couldn't edit to turn the picture...
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FE108EZ's. Baltic birch w/ Zebra wood veneer.
Did have FE103-SOL's in there. These look & sound much better.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=208084)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=208085)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=208086)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=208087)
Please excuse the bookshelf on top. Was playing around that day.
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Those look like Scott’s BK12m?
FE108e∑ is a very nice driver, amazing that it is now some 2 decades old and has stood the test of time.
dave
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with Alpair 10p drivers. I like this photo because the white drivers…
They are blue. At least until i get at them.
I was warned not to get into full-range drivers to start because they "beam" and they lack highs and lows. I have found none of these things to be true. I even attached a pair of super tweeters to see if the highs could be improved, but they were completely superfluous. And, for music anyway, bass is quite good, IMHO.
:^)
The FHXL extracts close to as much as possible from the A10x. Mark Fenlon himself was quite stunned when he heard a pair of the 1st prototypes. He asked to hear the sam etrack again to make sure he was not hallucinating.
dave
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Mark are in good health?
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Recently completed the MJK designed Lowther DX3 MLTL speakers. I deviated from the plans by placing the baffle step compensation circuits in cigar boxes on top rather than inside the enclosure. Wonderful sounding FRSD speakers.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210199)
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Wooden cigar boxes are cheap, smell nice and can add a bit of humor as these are labeled Chillin Moose. As big and heavy as these MLTL's are that's probably a good name for them.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210201)
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I have "re-purposed" cabinets that I had made for a different project, shown here https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=167918.0
The Tang Band W8-2145, with appropriate ports, is a much better solution for these cabinets.
https://www.parts-express.com/tang-band-w8-2145-8-paper-cone-full-range-driver-8-ohm--264-960
https://www.parts-express.com/speaker-cabinet-port-tube-1-3-4-id-x-4-l--260-407
Three ports per cabinet gives calculated results as: a slow rise of less than 1 dB down to 72 Hz, then decreasing to -3 dB at 40 Hz.
Very satisfactory performance, and more than adequate for use in a small room.
Do not know why "corrected" rotation did not correctly load here.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=212504)
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I have "re-purposed" cabinets that I had made for a different project, shown here https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=167918.0
The Tang Band W8-2145, with appropriate ports, is a much better solution for these cabinets.
https://www.parts-express.com/tang-band-w8-2145-8-paper-cone-full-range-driver-8-ohm--264-960
https://www.parts-express.com/speaker-cabinet-port-tube-1-3-4-id-x-4-l--260-407
Three ports per cabinet gives calculated results as: a slow rise of less than 1 dB down to 72 Hz, then decreasing to -3 dB at 40 Hz.
Very satisfactory performance, and more than adequate for use in a small room.
Do not know why "corrected" rotation did not correctly load here.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=212504)
Can you advise us is there any major differences in sound quality between the Crystal 8" and Tangband W8-2145? Which FR do you refer besides the bass response(bass response between ported and sealed are different anyway)?
How do you find high freq. response between the 2speakers?
Thanks.
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In very general terms:
- The Lii-Audio Fast-8 comes across as slightly cleaner and faster, especially at higher frequencies. Listening with the speakers at 45 degrees and my ears at that focus or slightly back from that focus is no problem.
- The Tang-Band W8-2145 comes across as more full bodied [could that be the ports effect?], and slightly less clean at higher frequencies. Listening with the speakers at 45 degrees and my ears farther back from the focus cleans up the higher frequencies [the equivalent of listening 15 degrees off the pointing axis].
FYI for DIY:
- the drivers are approximately the same price;
- the BHC for the mounting screws is the same, with the Lii having 4 holes and the T-B having 8;
- The Lii has a wide front flange, and requires a baffle clearance hole of 7 3/8 inches. The T-B has a narrow front flange, and requires a baffle clearance hole of 7 1/2 inches. In other words, make the hole 7 1/2 inches to be useful for either driver.
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Hi LostInPA,
Thanks for inform us on this first hand report.
Do you have any information on the soundstage?
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- The Lii-Audio Fast-8 comes across as slightly cleaner and faster, especially at higher frequencies.
- The Tang-Band W8-2145 comes across as more full bodied [could that be the ports effect?], and slightly less clean at higher frequencies.
Any plans for trying Visaton B 200 8" full rangers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0qNlUBTlsQ&t=1309s
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In very general terms:
- The Lii-Audio Fast-8 comes across as slightly cleaner and faster, especially at higher frequencies. Listening with the speakers at 45 degrees and my ears at that focus or slightly back from that focus is no problem.
- The Tang-Band W8-2145 comes across as more full bodied [could that be the ports effect?], and slightly less clean at higher frequencies. Listening with the speakers at 45 degrees and my ears farther back from the focus cleans up the higher frequencies [the equivalent of listening 15 degrees off the pointing axis].
FYI for DIY:
- the drivers are approximately the same price;
- the BHC for the mounting screws is the same, with the Lii having 4 holes and the T-B having 8;
- The Lii has a wide front flange, and requires a baffle clearance hole of 7 3/8 inches. The T-B has a narrow front flange, and requires a baffle clearance hole of 7 1/2 inches. In other words, make the hole 7 1/2 inches to be useful for either driver.
Which driver do you refer?
I suspect the Lii gives you better clarity and Tang Band gives added body in the mid-range but which driver gives better midrange esp for voice reproduction?
thanks
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- These speakers are presently in a room of approximately 180 square feet. They are on the long wall, driver centers 20 inches from the wall, 8 feet apart, and at 45 degrees. They started out 10 feet apart, and gave only good soundstage. The 8 feet separation gives very good soundstage. I am not yet convinced to try less spacing; I might get a tighter soundstage, yet a smaller sweet spot.
- I have never heard the Visaton B200, and have no plan to try it. I am not pleased with the 8 dB drop from 1,500 Hz to 600 Hz.
- I can give no definitive answer as to vocal reproduction. I avoid all vocal music. I did bring these with the T-B driver to an audiophile friend's house for a listen with a few people. He did play some vocal music, and I thought that the lyrics were very legible. FYI: I am driving these with 25 wpc of push-pull 807 tubes biased in to Class A. He had a borrowed 21 wpc single-end 845 tubes.
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LostInPA,
You haven't answered the question which driver do you prefer and what music do play them with if you don't use them listening to vocal music? Thanks.
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- I have provided my listening impressions. It makes no difference as to which driver I prefer, only which driver you prefer. Do your own experimenting.
- Other than vocal music, the other general type that I do not listen to is large scale works. The older I get, the more I veer away from the artificial restraints of the traditional requirements of melody, harmony, and rhythm. As the late great guitarist Derek Bailey called it, Non-Idiomatic Music. Here is an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY6wbSXH92I If that 50 minute video is too much for a first immersion, try this 8 minute video of Olaf Rupp on acoustic guitar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq23zH5Kqss and this 20 minute one of Olaf Rupp on electric guitar with Rudi Fischerlehner on drums https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z_pFiKH1RQ
- FYI, here is a very good article on loudspeaker placement, written specifically for speakers with waveguides, that I have found useful for non-waveguide speakers http://libinst.com/PublicArticles/Setup%20of%20WG%20Speakers.pdf
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- I have provided my listening impressions. It makes no difference as to which driver I prefer, only which driver you prefer. Do your own experimenting.
- Other than vocal music, the other general type that I do not listen to is large scale works. The older I get, the more I veer away from the artificial restraints of the traditional requirements of melody, harmony, and rhythm. As the late great guitarist Derek Bailey called it, Non-Idiomatic Music. Here is an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY6wbSXH92I If that 50 minute video is too much for a first immersion, try this 8 minute video of Olaf Rupp on acoustic guitar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq23zH5Kqss and this 20 minute one of Olaf Rupp on electric guitar with Rudi Fischerlehner on drums https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z_pFiKH1RQ
- FYI, here is a very good article on loudspeaker placement, written specifically for speakers with waveguides, that I have found useful for non-waveguide speakers http://libinst.com/PublicArticles/Setup%20of%20WG%20Speakers.pdf
Thks for spending the time to write a lengthy response.
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Frugal Horn Mk3 with Mark Audio drivers. Amp is a Volt+D ( dual TPA3118 ) with FX Audio tube pre. Monitor used with Fire Stick 4K and HDMI audio extractor streaming Amazon Music HD content to SU-9 DAC and to display.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=238221)
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Pluvia 7HD?
dave
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Can't recall which Mark Audio driver I used but it sounds really good in the Frugal's.
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Lii Audio F-15 with bass augmentation
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=247747)
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=151677)
This is a Weems Pipe made with a sheet of plywood,Vifa 6.5 coax, Danish and rubber surround, 25 bucks,a clearance at Parts Express, JoAnn's fabric for speaker grills. I put some egg crate on the bottom,stuffed them with acoustic wool stuff,can't remember the name. I'm half Danish so with nothing to do I got some painters tape out and made a flag.....they sound awesome and I hooked them up with a Titanic subwoofer and BASH amp....Mark Korda
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=261322)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=261323)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=261324)
SEWE300B
HDTv2
Zbit
Schiit Freya+
Schiit Loki Max
EverSolo Streamer/DAC combo
Custom AT/ turntable
Softone phono stage
TEAC, Crown and Otari tape machines
SVS Pro 1000 subs
Nordost cables
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Really nice if those are DIY speakers. What are the drivers?
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He bought the diy plans and had someone build them.
https://www.decwareproducts.com/hdt
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Really nice if those are DIY speakers. What are the drivers?
Thank you. Sure, here is the link with cutaway drawings, information on design notes, and pricing. The drivers are the Lii Audio Silvers. My friend and speaker designer, and builder Jon Anderson built these. He has built almost every speaker I have owned for many years now.
Links:
https://www.decwareproducts.com/hdt (https://www.decwareproducts.com/hdt)
https://www.lii-audio.com/product/one-pair-new-8-fullrange-drivers-premium-level-sound-silver-8/ (https://www.lii-audio.com/product/one-pair-new-8-fullrange-drivers-premium-level-sound-silver-8/)
He bought the diy plans and had someone build them.
https://www.decwareproducts.com/hdt
You beat me to it. Yes the plans were purchased and two sets were built. One set is unfinished and for sale, or can be finished in any veneer desired if anyone is interested.I had it done this way as I feel the overall finish and quality is better than what is offered from Decware. It's just my personal preference.