My Harman (JBL M2) Trip

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« Reply #520 on: 5 Oct 2021, 08:03 am »
@jtwrace.  Great post.  I don’t need any encouragement to go the same route but it is always nice to get affirmation you have made a good decision!

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« Reply #521 on: 5 Oct 2021, 01:09 pm »
@jtwrace.  Great post.  I don’t need any encouragement to go the same route but it is always nice to get affirmation you have made a good decision!
Then do it!   :lol:

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« Reply #522 on: 5 Oct 2021, 03:25 pm »
As soon as the major works on our house are complete I can assure you I will be right on it :)

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« Reply #523 on: 7 Jan 2022, 02:16 pm »
I decided to change the rear subs.  These are the new results which aren't bad.   :green:


 


  

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« Reply #524 on: 7 Jan 2022, 03:38 pm »
"Looks" good.  :wink:
Reminds me of https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/an-enticing-marketing-story-theory-without-measurement.7127/page-32#post-242115.
Btw, how does it sound to your 2 ears/brain binaural hearing?

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« Reply #525 on: 7 Jan 2022, 04:01 pm »
how does it sound to your 2 ears/brain binaural hearing?

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Phenomenal. 

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Re: My Harman (JBL M2) Trip
« Reply #526 on: 7 Jan 2022, 05:17 pm »
Wow Jason! What are your room dimensions if I may ask?


I decided to change the rear subs.  These are the new results which aren't bad.   :green:


 


 

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« Reply #527 on: 7 Jan 2022, 05:26 pm »
Phenomenal.
Good for you! All that matters.
Subs in mono?

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« Reply #528 on: 7 Jan 2022, 06:35 pm »
Wow Jason! What are your room dimensions if I may ask?
Wow is right Marty, never mind the dimensions, it's near perfectly reflective of a non-coincident monopolar box radiator!
Consider, his M2 have near perfect native (anechoic) "direct" response (top Black line), lateral off axis and then a bit of a dip vertical due to non-coincidence (blues and reds):

When placed in a more typical room like yours and mine, with varying degrees of reflectivity and lossiness of surfaces, openings, etc regardless of dimensions, measured with a pressure only sensor (no velocities) like an omni mic, at a single spatial position like the listener seat, M2s may look more like this:

I know, scaaary! To the eyes. And a pressure sensor mic. Luckily, with exception of the peaks <500hz or so, not to 2 ears and a brain. Which very very much unlike the single mic, can separate the "direct" streams from the reflected "sum totals" in the measurement.
To get a near ruler flat slope top to bottom like Jason >500hz or so, one needs a near perfectly reflective room. Or significant distortion of the "direct" native response of the speaker (s). Below 500hz or so, the ears do start to "hear" more like the mic, at least amplitude wise, so cutting those peaks are highly advisable. Filling the voids at that pressure point, where energy is being stored, might be debatable, since elsewhere, spatially, that cannot be. Now of course Jason is using multiple subs, with the EQ, so the averaging has created some smoothing by itself. But most likely by correlating the bass to mono. perfect for pop etc music. For decorrelated bass, like in any acoustic music concert hall, etc, maybe not so much.
Btw, what are your room dimensions?  :wink:

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« Reply #529 on: 7 Jan 2022, 09:50 pm »
AJ
My room is 26’ wide 19’ deep 9’ height. Open to left to kitchen and dining not included in these dimensions.

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« Reply #530 on: 8 Jan 2022, 12:23 am »
My room is 26’ wide 19’ deep 9’ height.
Lucky you! That is plenty big for great sound.

Open to left to kitchen and dining not included in these dimensions.
Completely open or partial? Asymmetry can sometimes be problematic, lot of "depends on".
Jason shows above that EQ can help greatly!

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« Reply #531 on: 8 Jan 2022, 12:51 am »
Wow Jason! What are your room dimensions if I may ask?
It's an odd shaped sized room.  Say 20' x 20' x 9' with some out-coves etc. 

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« Reply #532 on: 8 Jan 2022, 12:55 am »
Good for you! All that matters.
Subs in mono?

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Feel free to drive 2ish hours north to listen.  Yes, mono.  So Left is 6ch and Right is 6ch and that's why it shows 12 paths.


 

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« Reply #533 on: 8 Jan 2022, 01:49 pm »
AJ basically the room is 42’ wide with the speakers centered in the 42’ side. No issues with left or right early reflections. I am thinking of building a ceiling absorption cloud to go over the speakers.


Lucky you! That is plenty big for great sound.
Completely open or partial? Asymmetry can sometimes be problematic, lot of "depends on".
Jason shows above that EQ can help greatly!

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AJ

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Re: My Harman (JBL M2) Trip
« Reply #534 on: 8 Jan 2022, 01:50 pm »
Jason I sure hope I get to hear your system someday.






Feel free to drive 2ish hours north to listen.  Yes, mono.  So Left is 6ch and Right is 6ch and that's why it shows 12 paths.


 

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Re: My Harman (JBL M2) Trip
« Reply #535 on: 31 Mar 2022, 04:42 pm »
I was asked privately if I had RT60 measurements so thought I'd share it here.


 


REW Explanation here.