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Other Stuff => Archived Circles => Hypex Owners Circle => Topic started by: barrows on 14 Apr 2015, 07:08 pm
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Jack Bybee (if you are laughing now, no need to read further) has some new, apparently crystal based, relatively affordable signal enhancement devices which look like they may be a natural pairing with the NC-400 modules. I think one of these inside the case, above each module would be worth experimenting with.
Whose up for it?
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Jack and Bruno. Thats funny.
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Which Bybees are you referring to? All the crystal based units I see on his site start at $300 each (this is affordable?). I bet my modified Wima caps on the output would make way more difference and they cost $120 for both amps (assuming you install them).
Here is an email I got from someone a few days ago:
Changing the caps was not a beginners venture. I have built the ST-70 mod from Welborne and it has been my main HF amp, but the closeness of the contacts in the NCore requires steady hands. I also had to get a solder pump to clear the hole. But the replacement went well enough. The change is not really an upgrade, it is more of a transformation of the amp. The change isn’t so much in tone or emphasis, it is just more of what the base amp does well. There is more clarity and the sound stage is improved. I had the NCore for about 9 months and didn’t think it was as good as my ST-70 mod amp. With your mod they are very comparable with the ST-70 still having less clarity, but with that subtle tube sound. So the two amps were pretty close as far as my preference. I am working on the other mods to bypass the connectors.
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Is it appropriate to advertise here?
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Is it appropriate to advertise here?
Huh? I assure you I have no association with Jack Bybee or any company which sells, distributes, or markets his products. The reason I have not tried these yet is that I have a lot of projects currently underway, and do not have the time/money to invest in a pair of these right now.
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Jack and Bruno. Thats funny.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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This thread is two weeks behind the times.
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I've owned and used a few of Bybee's devices, both freestanding and built into cables, for quite a long while in various places in my systems. I currently use none in my main system, as they provide no net benefit there. I use a pair of speaker bullets in my office system, where they provide a modest improvement. They do have some effect on the sound that is sometimes helpful and sometimes detrimental, but it is always subtle. At their prices there are many options (yes, including Ric Schultz' modded Wimas which I use in my N-Cores) that provide the possibility of much greater subjective effect, and used selectively, improvement.
So at Bybee's prices, for most of us cabling and cap rolling can get better results for the $, IMO. For those for whom money is no object and who already have got very dialed-in high-rez systems, they are worth a try, but like everything, matchups are key.
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Please keep this thread limited to Bybee's. Thanks.
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Please keep this thread limited to Bybee's. Thanks.
I don't believe Barrows was asking about Bybees (the product), but rather Jack Bybee's new product, utilizing piezoelectric crystal materials that he recently 'discovered'.
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I don't believe Barrows was asking about Bybees (the product), but rather Jack Bybee's new product, utilizing piezoelectric crystal materials that he recently 'discovered'.
That wasn't directed towards him.
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I've owned and used a few of Bybee's devices, both freestanding and built into cables, for quite a long while in various places in my systems. I currently use none in my main system, as they provide no net benefit there. I use a pair of speaker bullets in my office system, where they provide a modest improvement. They do have some effect on the sound that is sometimes helpful and sometimes detrimental, but it is always subtle. At their prices there are many options (yes, including Ric Schultz' modded Wimas which I use in my N-Cores) that provide the possibility of much greater subjective effect, and used selectively, improvement.
So at Bybee's prices, for most of us cabling and cap rolling can get better results for the $, IMO. For those for whom money is no object and who already have got very dialed-in high-rez systems, they are worth a try, but like everything, matchups are key.
Bybees I like quite a bit in power applications (power strips, power supplies), but I really dislike them anywhere in the audio signal path.
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I even dont like it in power cords or power filters.
To me these bullets are the most snake oil there is.
Starting with price :duh:
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Yup, not talking about the Bybee filters, I am talking about this:
http://www.tweekgeek.com/bybee-quantum-signal-enhancer/
This looks like it using piezoelectric properties of crystals to damp RF fields, quartz and its varieties can damp RF when implemented correctly, and this is science, not snake oil. the only question would be what the magnitude of the difference might be.
Anyone who thinks what Jack does is snake oil has either not tried his stuff, or has not implemented them correctly. I understand those who complain about the price, but the products do work, I have tried the large inline purifiers on AC delivery, and there is no question they are cleaning up some kind of noise. Simple test: put a large Bybee purifier inline with the hot AC lead going to a an outlet, and then plug your TV into that outlet, and then A/B to an untreated outlet-the difference is very obvious.
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In the 90s years I put just one these RF Filter
(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/medium/S_RF_STOPP__13214__01152009113020-7772.jpg)
of that AQ famous brand in a power cord of a nasty pro amp driving a nasty 4x10'' 200W pro audio FR:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=22372)
These filters point are 100kHz but the result was instant audible as a smoke screen over the soundstage.
Result: Audio is not science, audio is music and emotion, something much more complex than science and silly numbers.
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Audio is not science, audio is music and emotion, something much more complex than science and silly numbers.
:rotflmao: :duh:
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BYBEE – QUANTUM SIGNAL ENHANCER (CRYSTAL SERIES)
The Bybee – Quantum Signal Enhancer by Bybee Technologies will transform any audio or video component to a higher level of performance with Quantum proton alignment Signal Enhancer technology. When placed in a room, it also functions as one of the most economical and effective room treatment devices on the market.
http://bybeetech.com/?page_id=136
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This looks like it using piezoelectric properties of crystals to damp RF fields, quartz and its varieties can damp RF when implemented correctly, and this is science, not snake oil. the only question would be what the magnitude of the difference might be.
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The magnitude can be quite substantial, both subjectively and objectively. To be frank, IMO, this is not a forum that is going to generate any true exchange of ideas. BobM tried to start a thread for discussing their effects on phono cartridges. I commented on my positive experiences, and we were met with patronizing corrections from those with poor reading comprehension and/or little interest in the exchange of ideas, who have the empirical curiosity of a turnip and the sure knowledge of their expertise. We abandoned the thread.
Please note, not one person has asked for information or clarification, but rather want to share their irrelevant experiences with ferrites and whatnot.
That being said, Jack Bybee's explanation for his piezoelectric technology is totally unsubstantiated twaddle, but he does admit his explanation is all hypothesis. From a marketing perspective, the explanation and claims don't have to be accurate, they just has to be there.
Good luck in what could be an interesting thread.
Regards,
Paul
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BYBEE – QUANTUM SIGNAL ENHANCER (CRYSTAL SERIES)
The Bybee – Quantum Signal Enhancer by Bybee Technologies will transform any audio or video component to a higher level of performance with Quantum proton alignment Signal Enhancer technology. When placed in a room, it also functions as one of the most economical and effective room treatment devices on the market.
http://bybeetech.com/?page_id=136
OMG, that is pretty much magic rock territory. Wow.
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Also room treatment, Incredible!!
May be some people believes it.
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Also room treatment, Incredible!!
May be some people believes it.
You make no sense. Please do not post in this thread unless you're speaking directly about the Bybees and have something to offer.
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You make no sense. Please do not post in this thread unless you're speaking directly about the Bybees and have something to offer.
Double post in a similar thread sorry.
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Jack and Bruno. Thats funny.
Indeed. Either you believe in science, and go with Bruno, or you have Faith, and go with Jack. Anything else will lead to schizophrenia.
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Indeed. Either you believe in science, and go with Bruno, or you have Faith, and go with Jack. Anything else will lead to schizophrenia.
Hahaha! That is kind of funny. Certainly RF damping is science, there is nothing based on faith in these devices, they use known and understood material qualities to damp RF fields. In the case of a crystal, like quartz, the material will turn RF energy into resonance in the crystal. I know Jack Bybee likes to obfuscate how his stuff really works by giving out details which are a bit mumbu jumbo, but the products actually do work. Jack just does not like to talk in exact specifics, most likely to keep the exact operation to himself.
If you need to measure these devices, I would suggest using your cell phone, sandwich it between two of the Bybee crystal devices, and then see where your signal is at. I have seen ERS paper demonstrated this way, and seen how signal strength is reduced. Otherwise we need a copasetic RF engineer/audiophile who has a full RF lab at his disposal, anyone?
If one does not believe in crystals damping high frequency energy, I would suggest that other "magic" properties cannot work either. like transformers being able to pass current even though there is no wire signal path between their input and output. Or capacitors allowing AC to pass through field generation...
To my mind, the real question to be answered about these devices is not if they do anything, I already accept that they do, but to what magnitude are they effective, is the difference audible, and is it significant, and in what application. This is the reason I started the thread: to investigate whether these devices might make an improvement in sonics when placed above an NC-400 module.
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Certainly RF damping is science
Yes. Agree so far.
there is nothing based on faith in these devices
Really?
I know Jack Bybee likes to obfuscate how his stuff really works by giving out details which are a bit mumbu jumbo
Right, that's where the science stops, and faith takes over.
It is not enough to show that crystals dampen RF - you also need to show that the effect is a) beneficial, and b) significant.
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Use an E-M field monitor to measure the module RFI output and then put the material between the fixed antenna location and the module. If the RFI changes significantly, this will help understand how it will help reduce RFI from device to device.
Build a small faraday cage, put the module in it with an opening big enough to be covered by the device. Measure the E-M field before and after using the device to compare the results.
People rent the E-M field monitors to do these types of measurements. Depends on how seriously you want to know the answer.
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HAL do you know the bandwidth of these EM field monitors, (ie, are they able to respond to MHz frequencies or are they a sensitive to lower frequencies only.)?
Scotty
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They are usually very wideband devices with into the GHz range capabilities. Depends on the antenna system used as to what part of the RF range is covered.
Test Equipment rental websites had them listed when I looked a long time ago.