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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: James Tanner on 13 Nov 2023, 12:39 am
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I’m surprised to see no replies and questions yet! :o
First of all congratulations on the new and improved BP17 based on the BR20 minus it’s digital circuits James!
The big question is how does it compare to the BR20? It was foreseen/promised to have an even lower noisefloor than the highly regarded BR20. Has the BP19 indeed become the “BR20 minus digital” or has the design led to other changes that could have performance advantages?
Am I correct to assume that the main specs as input sensitivity and gain are the same as the BR20? I’m looking at the BP19 as an alternative for the BP26 which has a bit too much gain to drive 92 dB sensitivity loudspeakers through the 28B’s which have no user selectable gain).
And.. Has it been compared sonically with the BR20 yet? If so, what are the impressions?
Will an MC phono option be available with the BP19
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Hi Al,
Yes lots of comments on our FaceBook page.
The BP-19 is the analog section from the BR20 and you are correct we are getting slightly better distortion figures - not that you could hear that !
There will be our MM only or our MM/MC stage available in a few weeks as an option.
best
james
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James,
Please post pix of a BP-19 in full MM phono livery when you get one made. I'd like to see how it's laid out. Tks!
Scott
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For those folks interested in how well we do Phono please see this very in-depth review.
https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/vinyl/turntable-accessories/bryston-bp2-20-mm-mc-phono-preamp-review/
james
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Hello James, 👋
Strange question maybe: will there be an option for a dac?
Thanks!🙏
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Not sure at this point - there is room.
james
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Ok so, I would imagine you guys are wondering what my initial impressions are of the BP19 and I'm surprised to report, that it's much better than I anticipated
😁. Ive was using the BR20 for the last year or so up until this point, strictly as a line stage with a BDA-3 and separate streamer. Given the BP19 is basically the line stage portion of the BR20, my initial thought was that with the absence of all the digital stuff, I would expect a bit more inner detail and that was pretty much it .
WELL.. straight out of the box, I got just that, but also even greater transparency and clarity and more 3 dimensional soundstage. Also noticed transients are shaper and more articulate, seems to have more speed and attack.it also seems to be more direct and forward than the BR20. Bass seems to be a bit laid back at this time, but I know with more run time that will come around. I will report more findings as the unit breaks in overtime.
Barry
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"Well, after 7 months, the day has finally come."
Uh, just what kind of lead time are we talking about here for a BP-19?? With MM phono if you please.
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Hi Sco77
We are currently backordered so I would say 3-4 weeks from order.
best
james
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According to US’ Moon Audio the DAC option is already available for ordering.
https://www.moon-audio.com/bryston-bp-19-analog-preamplifier (https://www.moon-audio.com/bryston-bp-19-analog-preamplifier)
Is this correct James?
And if correct, would the DAC be completely switched off when running an analogue input?
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According to US’ Moon Audio the DAC option is already available for ordering.
https://www.moon-audio.com/bryston-bp-19-analog-preamplifier (https://www.moon-audio.com/bryston-bp-19-analog-preamplifier)
Is this correct James?
And if correct, would the DAC be completely switched off when running an analogue input?
Hi - there is no DAC available and it would have to be designed so that it was not in the circuit path if offered as an option. They may be thinking of the new Bi-200 integrated amp which will have a DAC option.
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Hello James - currently own the BP-17 cubed with MM phono, no DAC as I prefer an outboard DAC/Streamer.
But -- a bit confused on the BP-19 phono option. Is the phono board different than the one in the BP-17? If i went to a MC cartridge, what is the recommendation? outboard SUT?
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Hi
The MM Phono stage on the BP-17 is the same as the one that will be in the BP-19.
As an outboard MC section we recommend the TF-2.
best
james
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Hello, could you send me info to the Bryston rep for SoCal?
Kindly,
Jimmy
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Hello, could you send me info to the Bryston rep for SoCal?
Kindly,
Jimmy
Hi Jimmy - we deal direct with the dealers.
james
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James,
As the BP-19 is fully balanced, how about having a 4 pin balanced headphone output a la the BHA-1. My ear goggles have 4 pin connectors and would prefer that to a regular headphone jack.
Also, according to the brochure for the BP-19, input 1 is where you wire the phono input. You're not going to have a "phono" label on the face plate or rear of the unit??
Scott
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James,
As the BP-19 is fully balanced, how about having a 4 pin balanced headphone output a la the BHA-1. My ear goggles have 4 pin connectors and would prefer that to a regular headphone jack.
Also, according to the brochure for the BP-19, input 1 is where you wire the phono input. You're not going to have a "phono" label on the face plate or rear of the unit??
Scott
Hi Scott - I believe the Phono version of the BP-19 will have a different faceplate.
james
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Hi James -
-- will the BP-19 be available with blue LEDs? I have a cubed amplifer with blue LEDs. Minor issue, but nice to have.
-- if phono option installed, will the display and faceplate say 'Phono' - also minor but nice to have.
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Hi James -
-- will the BP-19 be available with blue LEDs? I have a cubed amplifer with blue LEDs. Minor issue, but nice to have.
-- if phono option installed, will the display and faceplate say 'Phono' - also minor but nice to have.
Hi - Yes to both :thumb:
james
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Hello James.
Does the BP-19 have HT Bypass?
Thanks
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Hi - no theater bypass.
james
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James,
I'm looking to get a BP-19 with MM phono stage in black. I called my local dealer who didn't have one in stock. They said they would contact Bryston about getting one. I got an email later from the dealer saying that Bryston told him that there is no phono stage available for the BP-19 at this time. What's the story??
Scott
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Hi Scott - that is correct. We are developing a Custom MC stage so it may be another month or so before completion.
james
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James,
Thanks. I'll look forward to your announcement of the new phono stage.
Scott
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Thanks for the reply. It's too bad, as no bypass is a deal breaker for me.
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Hi Scott - that is correct. We are developing a Custom MC stage so it may be another month or so before completion.
james
Hello James,
Does the new MC module have a balanced option?
I/m now using a Project balanced MC into my BP26.
Regards,
Olaf
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Hello James - any updates on the available/planned phono options for the BP-19?
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Hi yes - we are real close - there will be a MM and MC option.
We are offering a custom version of the MC manufactured to our specifications.
james
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I really want to pull the trigger on this. Cold feet....
Waiting to see what the MM/MC brings.
Is it going to be worth the wait?
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Hi James—
In the olden days, Bryston used to publish specifications such as input voltage overland and maximum voltage output.
These remain important to me, but Bryston no longer publishes them—or at least I can't find them.
It would be helpful to know these specs for the BP-19.
For example, the DACs I'm using output as low as 4.0 Vrms (Bryston BDA-3) to as high as 12.25 Vrms (Crane Song Solaris Quantum, SPL Mercury), with others coming in between at 6.15 Vrms (Berkeley Alpha Reference).
And to take an example on the output side, the manufacturer of the powered speakers I use (Meyer Sound X-10T & X-400C) specify a preamp output capability of not less than 11 Vrms).
So I hope the engineering folks at Bryston can fill in some of the specs that aren't published in the manual.
Thanks! Joel.
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Hi Joel - I will ask engineering for you.
james
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Hi James,
Any word yet from Engineering on the voltage input and output specs for the BP-19?
Thanks,
Joel.
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Hi Joel - we were at the Montreal Audio show so hopefully they can get you the info soon.
james
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James—
Of course! I should have taken the audio show into account. Apologies!
Je vous attend!
Regards,
Joel.
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HI Folks - BP-19 Review from one of Quebec's most prestigious magazines
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James—
Of course! I should have taken the audio show into account. Apologies!
Je vous attend!
Regards,
Joel.
Hi Joel
BP19 Vin overload = 4.75Vrms
BP19 Vout max = 12Vrms
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Hi James,
Thanks very much for this information.
Alas, it means that, of the four DACs I'm presently using, only the Bryston BDA-3 would be usable with the BP-19.
Disappointment!
Regards,
Joel.
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Thank you for sharing this interesting review from a seasoned Bryston user that could almost have ‘Precision vs. Pleasure’ as the title. :thumb:
Too bad the writer does not state in which sensitivity his 7 B3’s were running, I suppose it was the high 29 db gain setting given the rather modest 12 volts max output of the BP19. This max output seems to be just a bit lower still compared to the BR19’s 13.5 Volts - 14.2 volt measured by respectively Hifi News and Soundstage! Network.
It seems like an excellent preamp to match the 28B3’s unswitchable high sensitivity as well.
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Thank you for sharing this interesting review from a seasoned Bryston user that could almost have ‘Precision vs. Pleasure’ as the title. :thumb:
Too bad the writer does not state in which sensitivity his 7 B3’s were running, I suppose it was the high 29 db gain setting given the rather modest 12 volts max output of the BP19. This max output seems to be just a bit lower still compared to the BR19’s 13.5 Volts - 14.2 volt measured by respectively Hifi News and Soundstage! Network.
It seems like an excellent preamp to match the 28B3’s unswitchable high sensitivity as well.
Hi Alfalfa - I assume you mean the BR-20?
james
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Hi James,
BR20 indeed, my bad! :duh:
Is there a difference in max output between the BP19 and the BR20, or could it be a different kind of measuring?
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Not sure - I assume its different measuring systems as the BP-19 is the preamp section from the BR-20.
james
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Thank you James!
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Hi James,
Thanks very much for this information.
Alas, it means that, of the four DACs I'm presently using, only the Bryston BDA-3 would be usable with the BP-19.
Disappointment!
Regards,
Joel.
what dacs are you using and what are their specs? i would imagine that the spec you got from james was for the rca inputs -- 4.75v is a lot higher than the "standard" rca output of 2v.
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what dacs are you using and what are their specs? i would imagine that the spec you got from james was for the rca inputs -- 4.75v is a lot higher than the "standard" rca output of 2v.
If you check reply #34 above you'll see my original note to James where I ask about voltage input and output specs.
I also mention there the output voltages of the DACs that I use: 4 Vrms (Bryston BDA-3), 6.15 Vrms (Berkeley Alpha Reference), 12.25 Vrms (SPL Mercury & Crane Song Solaris Quantum).
I didn't specify I was talking about balanced I/O only—that is true.
I assumed that, since the figure I quoted for the Bryston BDA-3 was for the balanced outputs, James would, in turn, understand that I was talking about balanced I/O.
Also, when James passed on the information from Engineering, he also specified the max. voltage output of the BR19 as 12 Vrms, which, unless I'm misreading the manual, applies to the XLR outputs.
However, I'd love to be proven wrong and learn that the maximum permissible voltage input for the BR19 is actually 9.5 Vrms and the maximum output is actually 24 Vrms!
Then I might very well buy one—it would just mean not using the Crane Song and SPL DACs in the system that contained the Bryston BR19. But that's okay, I have others. . .
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If you check reply #34 above you'll see my original note to James where I ask about voltage input and output specs.
I also mention there the output voltages of the DACs that I use: 4 Vrms (Bryston BDA-3), 6.15 Vrms (Berkeley Alpha Reference), 12.25 Vrms (SPL Mercury & Crane Song Solaris Quantum).
I didn't specify I was talking about balanced I/O only—that is true.
I assumed that, since the figure I quoted for the Bryston BDA-3 was for the balanced outputs, James would, in turn, understand that I was talking about balanced I/O.
Also, when James passed on the information from Engineering, he also specified the max. voltage output of the BR19 as 12 Vrms, which, unless I'm misreading the manual, applies to the XLR outputs.
However, I'd love to be proven wrong and learn that the maximum permissible voltage input for the BR19 is actually 9.5 Vrms and the maximum output is actually 24 Vrms!
Then I might very well buy one—it would just mean not using the Crane Song and SPL DACs in the system that contained the Bryston BR19. But that's okay, I have others. . .
like you, i would certainly hope and expect that the balanced inputs can handle more than 4.75V -- there are too many dacs out there that have output voltages above 4.75V above and beyond the ones you mentioned. some clarification from @james tanner would be helpful.
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Sorry folks - the numbers given are for the Balanced inputs.
james