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Industry Circles => Salk Signature Sound => Topic started by: maplemusic on 19 Apr 2019, 05:27 am
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What is the veneer and finish of the BMR monitors on your web site? The ones on the left. They look gorgeous.
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What is the veneer and finish of the BMR monitors on your web site? The ones on the left. They look gorgeous.
That is pau ferro rosewood. We've done quite a few pairs of BMR's over the years, but we normally didn't take pictures. So we'll be adding more as time goes on.
- Jim
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I want to see them but I can't find them???
Gene
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I want to see them but I can't find them???
Gene
We are currently working on the web page for this design. When we are satisfied that it is finished, we will add it to the product drop-down menu. Until then, you can see it directly at http://www.salksound.com/model.php?model=BMR%20Monitors (http://www.salksound.com/model.php?model=BMR%20Monitors).
- Jim
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We are currently working on the web page for this design. When we are satisfied that it is finished, we will add it to the product drop-down menu. Until then, you can see it directly at http://www.salksound.com/model.php?model=BMR%20Monitors (http://www.salksound.com/model.php?model=BMR%20Monitors).
- Jim
Couldn't help but proofread:
SCANSPEAK WOOFER
This is the latest iteration of the classic ScanSpeak 8545 woofer that has broven itself over the years as a solid performer.
excited to see you'll be offering these and that's a great finish.
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Couldn't help but proofread:
SCANSPEAK WOOFER
This is the latest iteration of the classic ScanSpeak 8545 woofer that has broven itself over the years as a solid performer.
excited to see you'll be offering these and that's a great finish.
Fixed it. Like I said, the page is a work in progress. If you notice anything else, let us know.
Thanks.
- Jim
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Well, there's "reasonalbe" should be "reasonable" and "Not wanted to see" should probably be "Not wanting to see".
I am curious about the crossover frequencies - if they are not a secret?
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Thanks Jim.
Now I can see them and yes that finish is great, just as my little Walnut WOW1's are so nice looking and sounding. :thumb:
Gene
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Well, there's "reasonalbe" should be "reasonable" and "Not wanted to see" should probably be "Not wanting to see".
I am curious about the crossover frequencies - if they are not a secret?
I'm pretty sure I remember Dennis saying that he runs the BMR unit from 600 Hz - 3800 Hz with steep slopes on either side.
Those frequencies line up nicely with the specs for all three drivers, so I'd assume the crossovers are around there :)
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Well, there's "reasonalbe" should be "reasonable" and "Not wanted to see" should probably be "Not wanting to see".
I am curious about the crossover frequencies - if they are not a secret?
John,
A nice very objective and subjective review was written by James Larson here on Audioholics:
https://www.audioholics.com/bookshelf-speaker-reviews/bmr-philharmonitor-1
It is the only design from Dennis Murphy (& Salk) that has peaked my interest in all these years.
Crossover points are 600Hz & 3.5khz, 24dB/octave.
Best,
Anand.
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there are a lot of Dennis and BMR fans over on AVS....here is a link....lots to read if you have the interest/time.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1348949-philharmonic-audio-dennis-murphy-278.html#post57928254
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there are a lot of Dennis and BMR fans over on AVS....here is a link....lots to read if you have the interest/time.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1348949-philharmonic-audio-dennis-murphy-278.html#post57928254 (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1348949-philharmonic-audio-dennis-murphy-278.html#post57928254)
Oh dear, don't let the last couple of pages scare you off. LADIY and mario came on recently and stirred up a lot of "trouble." Really, some people. :roll:
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Misunderstandings and tempers aside, some good points were made in that thread.
I just wish Dennis the best.
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An outstanding gentleman with the audio community’s interests at heart. Get well soon Dennis.
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An outstanding gentleman with the audio community’s interests at heart. Get well soon Dennis.
Well said!
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Last summer, I had the opportunity to listen to a pair of BMR speakers that Dennis built for the BMR Road Trip. Dennis brought them over to my house (15 miles away), and we listened together.
Dennis has always said that my family room has great sounding bass. With the speaker and listening positions, there are no major bass cancellations that lead to weak, one-note bass. I'm just lucky. Anyway, Dennis wanted to compare the BMR's bass to that of my Veracity ST speakers (that I love). So we listened to a lot of music for about 2 hours. And I got to listen carefully to the BMRs in my home, while comparing them directly to Veracity STs. So, I thought I would comment here as well.
First of all, I'm glad to see Jim Salk plans to continue this worthy design. I expect the price will rise, but they are a unique, high-value speaker.
There are a number of clear differences between these speakers. The BMR is a 3-way stand-mounted design, and the Veracity ST (VST) speakers are floor standing 2-way MTM design. The BMR's bass (7" woofer in a ported cabinet) is good sounding, but clearly less potent than the VST's twin 6" mid woofers in a larger mass loaded transmission line cabinet. That is the most obvious difference. And I don't think anyone would be too surprised by that.
But the comparison of mid-range performance between these two speakers become more interesting. Both speakers have features I really like. I am far from dissatisfied with my VSTs, I love them and will happily keep them. But if I had to pick one design over the other based only on their ability to disperse mid-range and create images and the illusion of a realistic sound stage, I'd give the nod to the BMR. These speakers, with their unusual 2½" flat mid-range driver, may be Dennis's best effort at casting a realistic and widely dispersed sound stage. At least, they sounded like that to me in my family room. So I'm glad to see this design will continue to be available.
See my comments, written a year ago, BMR Road Trip Kickoff https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/bmr-road-trip-kickoff.111717/
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At 85db, what kind of power do these need?
Bet they sound amazing.
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Oh dear, don't let the last couple of pages scare you off. LADIY and mario came on recently and stirred up a lot of "trouble." Really, some people. :roll:
I responded to the above mentioned thread in order to address the "pricing issues" these posters alluded to.
- Jim
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At 85db, what kind of power do these need?
Both Dennis and Jim recommend 100 watts/channel. When I heard them, I had 200 wpc available, but nothing I heard suggested 100 wpc would not be enough. If Jim and Dennis recommend 100 wpc, I think you can take that to the bank. Depending on your listening preferences and room acoustic peculiarities, less than 100 might do as well.
Dennis and Jim have always estimated sensitivity conservatively. In other words, they don't exaggerate. In contrast, I can think of a number of commercial speaker manufacturers that take the opposite approach. Their sensitivity numbers are often much higher, 3 to 6 dB higher, than what 3rd party measurements observe. With that in mind, I remind readers and shoppers that comparing speaker sensitivity numbers from different manufacturers can be like comparing apples and oranges.
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Last summer, I had the opportunity to listen to a pair of BMR speakers that Dennis built for the BMR Road Trip. Dennis brought them over to my house (15 miles away), and we listened together.
Dennis has always said that my family room has great sounding bass. With the speaker and listening positions, there are no major bass cancellations that lead to weak, one-note bass. I'm just lucky. Anyway, Dennis wanted to compare the BMR's bass to that of my Veracity ST speakers (that I love). So we listened to a lot of music for about 2 hours. And I got to listen carefully to the BMRs in my home, while comparing them directly to Veracity STs. So, I thought I would comment here as well.
First of all, I'm glad to see Jim Salk plans to continue this worthy design. I expect the price will rise, but they are a unique, high-value speaker.
There are a number of clear differences between these speakers. The BMR is a 3-way stand-mounted design, and the Veracity ST (VST) speakers are floor standing 2-way MTM design. The BMR's bass (7" woofer in a ported cabinet) is good sounding, but clearly less potent than the VST's twin 6" mid woofers in a larger mass loaded transmission line cabinet. That is the most obvious difference. And I don't think anyone would be too surprised by that.
But the comparison of mid-range performance between these two speakers become more interesting. Both speakers have features I really like. I am far from dissatisfied with my VSTs, I love them and will happily keep them. But if I had to pick one design over the other based only on their ability to disperse mid-range and create images and the illusion of a realistic sound stage, I'd give the nod to the BMR. These speakers, with their unusual 2½" flat mid-range driver, may be Dennis's best effort at casting a realistic and widely dispersed sound stage. At least, they sounded like that to me in my family room. So I'm glad to see this design will continue to be available.
See my comments, written a year ago, BMR Road Trip Kickoff https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/bmr-road-trip-kickoff.111717/
I regret that I missed the BMR road trip. :(
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I responded to the above mentioned thread in order to address the "pricing issues" these posters alluded to.
- Jim
Thank you for responding. It certainly put things in perspective. 😀
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I tried a couple of times to basically explain that there are many costs involved in running a business and that Dennis lost money on his Philharmonic Audio. You'd think that would be sufficient for any half-intelligent people but they had to keep going on about "value." I could have been far more detailed about how businesses are run but I was assuming that rationality and logic would be in play there... but I guess I was wrong. It was good for Jim to add his thoughts there - like he doesn't have better things to do though.
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I recommend staying clear of AVS forum.
Even with price increase the speakers are relatively inexpensive. Just because someone’s wallet doesn’t stretch, doesn’t make a product expensive.
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Good News... AVS has stepped in and shut down the ridiculous arguing, deleted posts and issued warnings.
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Good News... AVS has stepped in and shut down the ridiculous arguing, deleted posts and issued warnings.
It's kind of late, but at least AVS finally acted.
Some people like AVS because they believe so many members and readers create credence. In my opinion, their fatal flaw is the poor signal-to-noise ratio those kinds of numbers seem to generate. Of course, if you look at it another way, their noise-to-signal ratio is impressive :tempted:.
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It's kind of late, but at least AVS finally acted.
Some people like AVS because they believe so many members and readers create credence. In my opinion, their fatal flaw is the poor signal-to-noise ratio those kinds of numbers seem to generate. Of course, if you look at it another way, their noise-to-signal ratio is impressive :tempted: .
Unfortunately, they didn't delete the ladiy and mariogonzalezz posts. They just signed up and pretty much made Dennis thread go downhill fast. (I too, unfortunately got caught up with them and self deleted a post that I regret.)It was (and may continue as) a good thread with a bunch of good people on it. :popcorn:
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It’s a toxic place, just move on.
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It’s a toxic place, just move on.
For sure. I joined over 17 years ago and basically with rare exception to the only place I participate in is Area Home Theater Meets. Just not worth the trouble most other places on the site. It's good for info on Blu-Rays, discs or players.
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I recently bought a pair of the philharmonitors, had them for a few months and had to sell off some inventory and let them go. A few impressions I had was that right out of the box, they were not impressive,very laid back and no bass. It took quite a few hours for them to open up, and yes, power helps. I was enjoying the heck out of them and was planning on keeping them, but a seller came along and off they went. I had a pair of Focal 1008 BE, Tekton Impact Monitors and Odyssey Kismet reference monitors. I decided the Odysseys' were staying and out of the others, the Phils would win. Maybe someday I will get another pair. 8)
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Been talking to Jim about a pair of BMRs, but in my research read about Dennis' health and lack of BMRs. Someone mentioned a GFM campaign to get him a pair from Jim. As some have already mentioned, I'm sure he already has plenty of high quality speakers, but since his BMR design has impacted the community so much, I thought he deserved a pair for himself. And maybe take care of some medical expenses at the same time.
https://www.gofundme.com/med-expensesfirst-salk-phil-bmr-for-dennis-murphy
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What a great idea. Just donated. Hope more folks make a donation.
-Ron
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What a great idea. Just donated. Hope more folks make a donation.
-Ron
Awesome, thanks Ron! Spread the word to other Phil/Salk enthusiasts!