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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: Highendfool on 20 Jun 2022, 05:17 pm
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I’m wondering if all attention is being put towards the new software development and the latest MM issues are being ignored?
Case in point….latest firmware update and the database functionality, posted earlier.
Anyone who can shed some light in this would be helpful.
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I don't really have much to share, but yes attention is being shifted away form Manic Moose and into the thing that will replace it.
Chris
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Can we get a rollback to the previous MM posted so we can get our database functions back?
Thanks Chris
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Can we get a rollback to the previous MM posted so we can get our database functions back?
Thanks Chris
I'm not convinced that what your experiencing is a new issue, the feature has been working fine on my test units and I'm not sure how wide spread the issue is as I'm only aware of your reporting of the issue. The best I can offer at this time is you turn on service mode on your unit and email me the service id.
http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf
Chris
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I'm not convinced that what your experiencing is a new issue, the feature has been working fine on my test units and I'm not sure how wide spread the issue is as I'm only aware of your reporting of the issue. The best I can offer at this time is you turn on service mode on your unit and email me the service id.
http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf
Chris
At least one other person has stated that they have the same issue in another post here.
I’ll email you
Thanks Chris
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That would be me!
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That would be me!
Hi you!
You can email Chris too if you want your unit looked at.
Put you unit into service mode and email him the service id that comes up.
He’s helped me out with a couple of things.
crice@bryston.com
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Once again Chris @Bryston has solved the issue! Apparently the Bryston database can be reset if corrupted, which I guess mine was! Who knew!!
Also there’s a cache clearing function that I was also not aware of. That can get filled up I understand.
A better examination of the options would have saved a lot of frustration on my end!
The take away for me is that the manual isn’t enough, you have to explore on your own and ask questions here.
Hope the new OS3 has a better manual.
Again a big thank you to Chris for your time! 🙏
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I got the feeling that the new upgrade will increase the price of this unit exponentially.
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I got the feeling that the new upgrade will increase the price of this unit exponentially.
Why’s that?
Firmware updates have been free all along.
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Why’s that?
Firmware updates have been free all along.
I may be wrong, but in my opinion, folks complain about manic moose because it doesn't have the fancy interface of units like Aurender. But, when I look at units like the Aurender, that fancy interface does not impress me as it cost exponentially more, and as a matter of practicality, I like the Manic Moose interface that gets the job done. When I load my music, I could care less about the interface as I'm solely concerned with accessing my music conveniently. I don't care about the computer screen. Please tell me what I am missing in my logic as I am not sensitive, but I want to continue to grow. In any event, the cost of a BRAND NEW interface will have to increase the cost of newer units.Look at the time and effort it would take. You'd have to pay me. I'm just glad I can access thousands of compositions instantantly now with Manic Moose..
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Tru dat,
Don’t care about the fancy whatever.. give me my tunes.
Simple and to the point.
Don’t need to be glazed over with whatever,I’m here for the MUSIC.
Sides I don’t read much,love audio more,
No distractions :thumb:
Manic Moose does what it is suppose to PLAY ThE DAMN SONG ALREADY.
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If manic moose didn’t have issues like the ones I’ve mentioned in other posts, I would be happy with it too.
I’m hoping the new OS won’t cause a price increase, but that’s Bryston’s call. What I am looking for is a STABLE OS, not a cosmetic upgrade. I’m with you guys on the “just play the music already!!”
However, with the quality and cost of the units, shouldn’t they include a comparable quality of software in the first place. I don’t think MM is on the same level as Bryston hardware quality. Just sayin…
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Well the only issue I’ve ever had with MM or the bdp-2 is when it stopped responding(that’s about 4 times a year) which I’ve Bitched about as it is a-computer yet my home PC nada a problem for YEARS.
Which I’m sure the pc is a bit more sophisticated than the bdp 2.
Other than unplugging it and waiting to reboot alls been great.
Just can’t fathom why Bryston missed something with the bdps,where you have to shut it down and unplug and then redo everything again,
Definitely something not right and my home pc is over 10 yrs old...Hellloooooo.
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Manic Moose is 9 years old and if all you want or need is to just play your tunes, then all well and good. If the good people at Bryston thought that then they would not be spending time and money writing a new operating system. I have had my moans and groans with MM and am definitely looking forward to OS3.
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Manic Moose is 9 years old and if all you want or need is to just play your tunes, then all well and good. If the good people at Bryston thought that then they would not be spending time and money writing a new operating system. I have had my moans and groans with MM and am definitely looking forward to OS3.
The BDPs themselves are older. My SP3 is older. If a software works, its age is irrelevant. I have had issues with Manic Moose in the past, but I can easily charge it to the nothing is perfect category. I had a playlist on my BDP3 running for days. It hung up once, and a reboot solved the issue. It may have been a voltage drop or whatever, I don't know. But, if possible, I'd like some specific articulable facts on what's patently wrong with Manic Moose, as is.
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I'd like some specific articulable facts on what's patently wrong with Manic Moose, as is.
1 I’ve never been able to remove an album from favourites when using Qobuz.
2 When in Artist information I can’t scroll down.
3 when in other albums I can’t scroll down.
4 To use Qobuz, I need to go into Qobuz app add and remove favourites and the then go back to MM.
5 Clunky.
6 When an album finishes why do you need to clear queue manually.
As an aside, if you would like an example of a well thought out control method I would suggest looking at how Auralic and Naim amongst others do it. They are not perfect but far more user friendly that MM.
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1 I’ve never been able to remove an album from favourites when using Qobuz.
2 When in Artist information I can’t scroll down.
3 when in other albums I can’t scroll down.
4 To use Qobuz, I need to go into Qobuz app add and remove favourites and the then go back to MM.
5 Clunky.
6 When an album finishes why do you need to clear queue manually.
As an aside, if you would like an example of a well thought out control method I would suggest looking at how Auralic and Naim amongst others do it. They are not perfect but far more user friendly that MM.
Seemingly, all the flaws relate to the use of Qobuz. I would never have these issues as I don't and will never use Qobuz. I still purchase CDs and when I compared a Qobuz sample versus the uncompressed music I imported, my own imported compositions sound much better than Qobuz. It seems like a tremendous amount of effort to tackle these rather minor issues. Rest assured that the new OS3 will introduce a different set of problems. As you noted, Auralic and Naim are not perfect. I don't understand how they can be more user friendly than the BDPs, but this is a personal or subjective call. The user friendly reference is rather vague. I do not mean this offensively, but thats what it is to me. In any event, I appreciate you sharing your opinion.
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Seemingly, all the flaws relate to the use of Qobuz. I would never have these issues as I don't and will never use Qobuz.
Actually, I’ve never used Qobuz either, but the same issue is still there. That’s the inability to remove songs from the favourites list. Chris at Bryston has acknowledged that this had slipped thru the cracks, as it were.
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Actually, I’ve never used Qobuz either, but the same issue is still there. That’s the inability to remove songs from the favourites list. Chris at Bryston has acknowledged that this had slipped thru the cracks, as it were.
I believe this issue was reported fixed in a post above. If this is true, I'd still like to know what else is the new operating system supposed to solve. The problem I see with a new system is that I spent too much time trying to learn the old system and to configure it to my needs. There is a learning curve for a new system and from what I have read, it makes no sense in changing from the old one. Manic Moose's interface is very easy on the eyes. I think at this point maybe Bryston, itself, wil need tol state what improvements they are making with the new operating system besides aesthetics for the interface.
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[quote author=gbaby link=topic=182300.msg1915781#msg1915781 date=1656605310
I think at this point maybe Bryston, itself, will need to state what improvements they are making with the new operating system besides aesthetics for the interface.
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That would be excellent, and helpful! 👌🏼👍🏼👍🏼
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While I voted for option 3, I have no problem with option 4.
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I don't have a BDP, but would like to offer this perspective...
On one hand Microsoft: Almost always charges for upgrades because their software runs on any mfg hardware.
On the other hand Apple: Almost never charges for upgrades because their software only runs on Apple hardware.
I think Bryston is in the other hand.
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I don't have a BDP, but would like to offer this perspective...
On one hand Microsoft: Almost always charges for upgrades because their software runs on any mfg hardware.
On the other hand Apple: Almost never charges for upgrades because their software only runs on Apple hardware.
I think Bryston is in the other hand.
Good point 👍🏼
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I am not sure I understand the debate here. Software and user interface has simply become part of the product now. To remain competitive, Bryston must provide a user interface that is at least on the same level as the competition, if not better. Sure, sound quality is the most important feature but a user should not be expected to sacrifice one for the other. I have a Bryston amp and a Bryston CD3 player. All of my streaming is done from a streamer/DAC via Roon so I don't have any first hand experience with Manic Moose but I have seen it in operation. I suppose if I had not seen and used slicker interfaces, Manic Moose would seem fine but it is just not competitive in today's market. So of course I think Bryston has to upgrade it. No doubt this upgrade will eventually be reflected in the price of the component just as any other type of improvement. It does not seem practical that Bryston could offer it as an option. Why would they want to have to support two separate user interfaces?
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I am not sure I understand the debate here. Software and user interface has simply become part of the product now. To remain competitive, Bryston must provide a user interface that is at least on the same level as the competition, if not better. Sure, sound quality is the most important feature but a user should not be expected to sacrifice one for the other. I have a Bryston amp and a Bryston CD3 player. All of my streaming is done from a streamer/DAC via Roon so I don't have any first hand experience with Manic Moose but I have seen it in operation. I suppose if I had not seen and used slicker interfaces, Manic Moose would seem fine but it is just not competitive in today's market. So of course I think Bryston has to upgrade it. No doubt this upgrade will eventually be reflected in the price of the component just as any other type of improvement. It does not seem practical that Bryston could offer it as an option. Why would they want to have to support two separate user interfaces?
Well said.
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So of course I think Bryston has to upgrade it. No doubt this upgrade will eventually be reflected in the price of the component just as any other type of improvement. It does not seem practical that Bryston could offer it as an option. Why would they want to have to support two separate user interfaces?
Here, here👍👍👍
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I may be wrong, but in my opinion, folks complain about manic moose because it doesn't have the fancy interface of units like Aurender. But, when I look at units like the Aurender, that fancy interface does not impress me as it cost exponentially more, and as a matter of practicality, I like the Manic Moose interface that gets the job done. When I load my music, I could care less about the interface as I'm solely concerned with accessing my music conveniently. I don't care about the computer screen. Please tell me what I am missing in my logic as I am not sensitive, but I want to continue to grow. In any event, the cost of a BRAND NEW interface will have to increase the cost of newer units.Look at the time and effort it would take. You'd have to pay me. I'm just glad I can access thousands of compositions instantantly now with Manic Moose..
I own two Aurender servers (A10 and N100SC) and two BDP-2s (and I used to own two BDP-1s). The Manic Moose firmware is quirky, loses connection, and is IMO, peaked out. It works, but seriously overdue for a re-tool. If Aurender was Roon Ready, my BDP-2s would get sold, but since I still like to use Roon from time to time, I hang on to them. BDPs are built like a tank, but the firmware needed to be updated about three years ago. Aurender is app based, but only useable in Roon via AIRPLAY. Aurender Conductor works really well and is very nimble. Amazingly simple too.....Trying setting up an NAS on Manic Moose...ugh. Hopefully the next rendition of BDP firmware with be either app based or compatible.
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I own two Aurender servers (A10 and N100SC) and two BDP-2s (and I used to own two BDP-1s). The Manic Moose firmware is quirky, loses connection, and is IMO, peaked out. It works, but seriously overdue for a re-tool. If Aurender was Roon Ready, my BDP-2s would get sold, but since I still like to use Roon from time to time, I hang on to them. BDPs are built like a tank, but the firmware needed to be updated about three years ago. Aurender is app based, but only useable in Roon via AIRPLAY. Aurender Conductor works really well and is very nimble. Amazingly simple too.....Trying setting up an NAS on Manic Moose...ugh. Hopefully the next rendition of BDP firmware with be either app based or compatible.
I have never had a problem with Manic Moose losing connection. Surely, may be a problem with one's internet carrier. If it is quirky, which is a vague term, I'd like to know what you call quirky? I will say that I have a problem with deleting compositions from a playlist I make. However, I don't understand why these minor issues cannot be fixed. I'd rather for Bryston to fix these issues rather than changing he entire operating system forcing me to re-learn how to operate my BDP. I stopped using ancestry.com because they changed the interface making it impossible to use. All change is not good. I will say that the network connection is difficult and so I can see how setting up NAS would be a nightmare.
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I have rock solid internet and wifi….that’s not the issue with MM. 100 Mpbs wifi download speed. 300 Mpbs to the desktop. 5 pod eero plus system.
Manic Moose is 2012 firmware operating in a more demanding 2022 environment.
Sure it works, but better options are out there. Top notch equipment performs better with top notch firmware.
Quirky?: You’re correct….Setup is abysmal for NAS and network options. Music folder setup is less than stellar. The device also loses connection to Roon from time to time in longer sessions. CFs get corrupted and have to be reflashed. (less so with the BDP-2s than BDP-1s though). Bryston should hire out the firmware construction. Sony figured this out with their TV line. Sony software sucked, and until they contracted with Google for andriod based firmware, there were lots of issues.
Compared to Aurender and Auralic, IMO, Manic Moose is an abacus in a world of advanced calculators.
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I have rock solid internet and wifi….that’s not the issue with MM. 100 Mpbs wifi download speed. 300 Mpbs to the desktop. 5 pod eero plus system.
Manic Moose is 2012 firmware operating in a more demanding 2022 environment.
Sure it works, but better options are out there. Top notch equipment performs better with top notch firmware.
Quirky?: You’re correct….Setup is abysmal for NAS and network options. Music folder setup is less than stellar. The device also loses connection to Roon from time to time in longer sessions. CFs get corrupted and have to be reflashed. (less so with the BDP-2s than BDP-1s though). Bryston should hire out the firmware construction. Sony figured this out with their TV line. Sony software sucked, and until they contracted with Google for andriod based firmware, there were lots of issues.
Compared to Aurender and Auralic, IMO, Manic Moose is an abacus in a world of advanced calculators.
I don't think this is a fair comment for Manic Moose. However, you are right about Sony and its past software and they were known to abandon their software altogether. But, Manic Moose has been improved since 2012. The interface is the same, but its fine. But, when you mention about occasional Roon dropouts, I remind you that Roon was an afterthought for the BDPs that were deigned primarily to play music through USB drives. While you may like the Roon interface, I dislike it as its too busy for me. Last night I am using the BDP3 and watching 4k on my 65" Sony A9G. If the BDP were anywhere approaching the look of Roon, it would be difficult to look at both my 4k TV and the interface of a Roon related product.There would be too much colors for me. The Manic Moose interface is easy on the eyes. Additionally, both Aurender and Auralic have their own issues so the grass is not greener.
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I don't think this is a fair comment for Manic Moose. However, your are right about Sony and its past software and they were known to abandon their software altogether. But, Manic Moose has been improved since 2012. The interface is the same, but its fine. But, when you mention about occasional Room dropouts, I remind you that Soon was an afterthought for the BDPs that were deigned primarily to play music through USB drives. While you may like the Roon interface, I dislike it as its too busy for me. Last night I am using the BDP3 and watching 4k on my 65" Sony A9G. If the BDP were anywhere approaching the look of Roon, it would be difficult to look at both my 4k TV and the interface of a Roon related product. The Manic Moose interface is easy on the eyes. Additionally, both Aurender and Auralic have their own issues so the grass is not greener.
As has been my practice for years, I listen to music all day both at home and in my office seven days a week through digital players. Two years ago, because of frequent freezing, unintuitive and cumbersome 1990's look user interface and multiple service calls to unbrick my BDP-1 and BDP-3 units often following updates, I was left no choice but to switch to a non-glitchy device and chose Auralic with its intuitive user friendly interface. Happily, my choice of Auralic has been very successful running 24/7 glitch-free. While I was sad to put a non-Bryston device in my otherwise exclusively Bryston (pre-amps, processors and amps) systems, my listening experience is now frustration free and thus enjoyable again. Hoping beyond all hope, every six months or so I will fire up my BDP-1 and BDP-3's only to shut them off again within days through frustration with operation and UI.
In case I am missing something, I ask gbaby to describe what specific "issues" he has experienced with Auralic.
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I don't think this is a fair comment for Manic Moose. However, you are right about Sony and its past software and they were known to abandon their software altogether. But, Manic Moose has been improved since 2012. The interface is the same, but its fine. But, when you mention about occasional Roon dropouts, I remind you that Roon was an afterthought for the BDPs that were deigned primarily to play music through USB drives. While you may like the Roon interface, I dislike it as its too busy for me. Last night I am using the BDP3 and watching 4k on my 65" Sony A9G. If the BDP were anywhere approaching the look of Roon, it would be difficult to look at both my 4k TV and the interface of a Roon related product.There would be too much colors for me. The Manic Moose interface is easy on the eyes. Additionally, both Aurender and Auralic have their own issues so the grass is not greener.
I think my comments are more than fair. Equipment performance is what I’m after, both system and sound. Manic Moose needs an upgrade, and Bryston is apparently working on it. My point in using the Sony example, is that getting outside help might be the prudent play. Do what you’re good at, and hire out what you’re not good at.
From a raw quality standpoint, the BDPs are great machines, and I think Bryston MPD sounds better to me than Roon RAAT rendered by the BDP, but that’s a personal preference and hard to quantify.
Roon being an afterthought is a reasonable statement. Roon compatibility was added after the initial BDP-1 hardware release. The firmware was adapted, then pulled back, and fixed to be Roon RAAT compliant.
When I purchased my first BDP-1, Roon had not yet been developed. Roon was released in 2015. I’ve had a lifetime subscription since early 2016. BDP-1 hardware was released in 2011. Purchased my first one at Audio Advisor in 2012. I’ve reflashed several CF cards on the BDP-1. They’d get corrupted. The BDP-2 with IAD are far more stable. The firmware update rollouts were iffy….I used to do the beta ones, but they’d get screwed up half the time and I have to reflash the stable version.
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As has been my practice for years, I listen to music all day both at home and in my office seven days a week through digital players. Two years ago, because of frequent freezing, unintuitive and cumbersome 1990's look user interface and multiple service calls to unbrick my BDP-1 and BDP-3 units often following updates, I was left no choice but to switch to a non-glitchy device and chose Auralic with its intuitive user friendly interface. Happily, my choice of Auralic has been very successful running 24/7 glitch-free. While I was sad to put a non-Bryston device in my otherwise exclusively Bryston (pre-amps, processors and amps) systems, my listening experience is now frustration free and thus enjoyable again. Hoping beyond all hope, every six months or so I will fire up my BDP-1 and BDP-3's only to shut them off again within days through frustration with operation and UI.
In case I am missing something, I ask gbaby to describe what specific "issues" he has experienced with Auralic.
Have you tried reflashing the CF cards? I’ll bet the BDP-3 would be the same procedure as the earlier versions. You could also contact Mike Pickett at Bryston and request a replacement CF card. Remove the top cover and the card slides right in.
http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/BDP%20Manual%20Manic%20Moose%20Install.pdf
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Have you tried reflashing the CF cards? I’ll bet the BDP-3 would be the same procedure as the earlier versions. You could also contact Mike Pickett at Bryston and request a replacement CF card. Remove the top cover and the card slides right in.
http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/BDP%20Manual%20Manic%20Moose%20Install.pdf
Thanks vonnie123 for the suggestions. I appreciate it. Bryston service and software support has been exemplary, however, there comes a point when you get tired of the frequency of having to jump start your vehicle and you finally realize you have lost confidence that it will reliably get you from Point A to Point B. Unless you just need to drive up and down your driveway, you are forced to make a change. I wrote my post in response to another poster's entry which was critical of the manufacturer I went to yet the post had no information to back the criticism.
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In case I am missing something, I ask gbaby to describe what specific "issues" he has experienced with Auralic.
None because I don't own one. :D My comments are only from what folks complained about on the net. It left me with the impression that there are problems with it too, and I saw some comments on network issues.
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The bottom line is that this is not a large enough sample to discard Manic Moose. I believe some issues with the BDP1 may never be solved as it was a first generation digital player with lower specs. The same thng happened with my first generation iPad, and now my iPhone 6s can no longer accept a new iOS upgrade for new features. It doesn't bother me because I don't have time to use these upgrades on iPhones. I will say Bryston needs to continue to work on issues with the BDP3 and work on its wifi as we'll as work on the two front USB drives that never worked when I got the BDP2 to BDP3 upgrade.
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Thanks vonnie123 for the suggestions. I appreciate it. Bryston service and software support has been exemplary, however, there comes a point when you get tired of the frequency of having to jump start your vehicle and you finally realize you have lost confidence that it will reliably get you from Point A to Point B. Unless you just need to drive up and down your driveway, you are forced to make a change. I wrote my post in response to another poster's entry which was critical of the manufacturer I went to yet the post had no information to back the criticism.
I understand. That was a primary reason I dumped the BDP-1s and upgraded to the BDP-2s. I'd give the CF reflash a whirl . My two BDP-1s were headaches requiring frequent reflashes, especially after updates. They were just short of memory, and had trouble keeping up. Subsequently, since I purchased my BDP-2s with factory IAD, the CFs haven't been as great an issue. Your BDP-3 should fall into that category. I almost spent the $1500 per unit to upgrade to the BDP-3 model, but ended up shifting to Aurender servers as my primary players. Your Auralic is also a fine unit, and should serve you well.
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hmm,on my bdp-2 they all work,and here I was going to do the upgrade when available,NAH she isn't broke and all's good.
especially at 1500.00 a pop and not working.
Really that kind of coin,I'd be really pissed.
course I am when the bdp-2 freezes and have to unplug and restart.
where my OLD COMPUTER I DONT HAVE TO,
something not right Helloooooo AGAIN.
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I think my comments are more than fair. Equipment performance is what I’m after, both system and sound. Manic Moose needs an upgrade, and Bryston is apparently working on it. My point in using the Sony example, is that getting outside help might be the prudent play. Do what you’re good at, and hire out what you’re not good at.
From a raw quality standpoint, the BDPs are great machines, and I think Bryston MPD sounds better to me than Roon RAAT rendered by the BDP, but that’s a personal preference and hard to quantify.
Roon being an afterthought is a reasonable statement. Roon compatibility was added after the initial BDP-1 hardware release. The firmware was adapted, then pulled back, and fixed to be Roon RAAT compliant.
When I purchased my first BDP-1, Roon had not yet been developed. Roon was released in 2015. I’ve had a lifetime subscription since early 2016. BDP-1 hardware was released in 2011. Purchased my first one at Audio Advisor in 2012. I’ve reflashed several CF cards on the BDP-1. They’d get corrupted. The BDP-2 with IAD are far more stable. The firmware update rollouts were iffy….I used to do the beta ones, but they’d get screwed up half the time and I have to reflash the stable version.
Nice post. 8)
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I'm finally giving up on the BDP-1. I unplugged it after being frustrated for months and having to do this dance.
Forget Roon, streaming services, fancy UI, etc. The BDP-1 with the current firmware cannot do what it was promised to do. The BDP-1 of today is NOT able to perform the SAME tasks that it was able to perform back when I purchased it around 2014/15.
I don't use streaming services with the BDP-1. I have Roon but don't use it with BDP-1. I don't have any database setup or additional processing going on. The only thing that I bought this machine and needed to do was to play my own local tracks off folder view. THAT'S IT!!! Now it can't even do that. My drives, network topology/devices, library size all haven't changed in years.
When I got the machine in 2015 I put songs on a hard drive, plugged it in, let BDP-1 take minutes to set up Manic Moose basic folder view and then that's it. It would continue to stay online and play music and access the browser "http://bryston-bdp-1.local" without issues for days and weeks.
Now, the BDP-1 freezes daily. It constantly either freezes or stutters when going between folders, or the device won't even show up in the browser. The front buttons also stop responding half the time. It always requires restarts and that only buys you some time.
Bryston, please tell me how I can return to a firmware from 2015/2016.
I just want to be able to use basic folder view on Manic Moose with local library (no database required). Just barebones operation. I just want it to work and be reliable like it was back then. That was at least something that was promised even back in 2011 or whenever the BDP-1 first came out. Now it cannot even do fulfill its original purpose!
I use my computers for streaming and Roon. Forget bringing all that to Bryston, or Roon Core to BDPs itself (well past given on that pipe dream), just at least do your original job well, please!
Local files and basic folder view on BDP-1 with reliability...is this no longer a possibility? Bryston, please help.
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I'm finally giving up on the BDP-1. I unplugged it after being frustrated for months and having to do this dance.
Forget Roon, streaming services, fancy UI, etc. The BDP-1 with the current firmware cannot do what it was promised to do. The BDP-1 of today is NOT able to perform the SAME tasks that it was able to perform back when I purchased it around 2014/15.
I don't use streaming services with the BDP-1. I have Roon but don't use it with BDP-1. I don't have any database setup or additional processing going on. The only thing that I bought this machine and needed to do was to play my own local tracks off folder view. THAT'S IT!!! Now it can't even do that. My drives, network topology/devices, library size all haven't changed in years.
When I got the machine in 2015 I put songs on a hard drive, plugged it in, let BDP-1 take minutes to set up Manic Moose basic folder view and then that's it. It would continue to stay online and play music and access the browser "http://bryston-bdp-1.local" without issues for days and weeks.
Now, the BDP-1 freezes daily. It constantly either freezes or stutters when going between folders, or the device won't even show up in the browser. The front buttons also stop responding half the time. It always requires restarts and that only buys you some time.
Bryston, please tell me how I can return to a firmware from 2015/2016.
I just want to be able to use basic folder view on Manic Moose with local library (no database required). Just barebones operation. I just want it to work and be reliable like it was back then. That was at least something that was promised even back in 2011 or whenever the BDP-1 first came out. Now it cannot even do fulfill its original purpose!
I use my computers for streaming and Roon. Forget bringing all that to Bryston, or Roon Core to BDPs itself (well past given on that pipe dream), just at least do your original job well, please!
Local files and basic folder view on BDP-1 with reliability...is this no longer a possibility? Bryston, please help.
If you contact Chris at Bryston, I am certain he can restore your BDP1. He may ask you to put it in service mode, but he can fix it. I had an issue years ago with my BDP2 not playing and Chris fixed in in the service mode. It has not stopped since that time.
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Chris dialed into my BDP-pi and diagnosed the problems I was having (which I blamed on MM) as being a bad SD card. I replaced the SD card, and the unit has operated perfectly since then (2020). Now, I did have to buy my own replacement SD card. Bryston wouldn't or couldn't supply a replacement. But that's water under the bridge now.
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Chris dialed into my BDP-pi and diagnosed the problems I was having (which I blamed on MM) as being a bad SD card. I replaced the SD card, and the unit has operated perfectly since then (2020). Now, I did have to buy my own replacement SD card. Bryston wouldn't or couldn't supply a replacement. But that's water under the bridge now.
SD card or CF card? The BDP-1 and BDP-2 use CF cards which are much larger in dimensions. I posted the reflash procedures for the BDP CF card reflash a few posts back.
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I'm finally giving up on the BDP-1. I unplugged it after being frustrated for months and having to do this dance.
Forget Roon, streaming services, fancy UI, etc. The BDP-1 with the current firmware cannot do what it was promised to do. The BDP-1 of today is NOT able to perform the SAME tasks that it was able to perform back when I purchased it around 2014/15.
I don't use streaming services with the BDP-1. I have Roon but don't use it with BDP-1. I don't have any database setup or additional processing going on. The only thing that I bought this machine and needed to do was to play my own local tracks off folder view. THAT'S IT!!! Now it can't even do that. My drives, network topology/devices, library size all haven't changed in years.
I would suggest the same advice as gbaby, and reach out to Chris Rice (@unincognito) for help. He’s good with working stuff over the phone and voa service mode. You might also be able to get Bryston’s Mike Pickett to send you a vintage version of Manic Moose on a CF card.
When I got the machine in 2015 I put songs on a hard drive, plugged it in, let BDP-1 take minutes to set up Manic Moose basic folder view and then that's it. It would continue to stay online and play music and access the browser "http://bryston-bdp-1.local" without issues for days and weeks.
Now, the BDP-1 freezes daily. It constantly either freezes or stutters when going between folders, or the device won't even show up in the browser. The front buttons also stop responding half the time. It always requires restarts and that only buys you some time.
Bryston, please tell me how I can return to a firmware from 2015/2016.
I just want to be able to use basic folder view on Manic Moose with local library (no database required). Just barebones operation. I just want it to work and be reliable like it was back then. That was at least something that was promised even back in 2011 or whenever the BDP-1 first came out. Now it cannot even do fulfill its original purpose!
I use my computers for streaming and Roon. Forget bringing all that to Bryston, or Roon Core to BDPs itself (well past given on that pipe dream), just at least do your original job well, please!
Local files and basic folder view on BDP-1 with reliability...is this no longer a possibility? Bryston, please help.
I would suggest the same advice as gbaby….reach out to Chris Rice ( @unincognito ) for service access, or Mike Pickett to see if he has a vintage CF card handy with an older version of Manic Moose.
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Chris dialed into my BDP-pi and diagnosed the problems I was having (which I blamed on MM) as being a bad SD card. I replaced the SD card, and the unit has operated perfectly since then (2020). Now, I did have to buy my own replacement SD card. Bryston wouldn't or couldn't supply a replacement. But that's water under the bridge now.
Wow! The same thing happened to me and Chris discovered it was a bad flash drive. I replaced it and I have had no other problems. I, too, thought it was Manic Moose. :oops:
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Are you talking about the operating system drive, or a USB music drive. If the operating system drive gets corrupted, Manic Moose firmware goes sideways. In effect, Manic Moose wont work right because the BDP CF card gets hosed. I don't know which type of operating system card (SD versus CF) the BDP-pi uses.
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Are you talking about the operating system drive, or a USB music drive. If the operating system drive gets corrupted, Manic Moose firmware goes sideways. In effect, Manic Moose wont work right because the BDP CF card gets hosed. I don't know which type of operating system card (SD versus CF) the BDP-pi uses.
I am talking about a USB flash drive or music drive as you described. Excuse my lack of knowledge but what is a BDP CF card and an SD vs. CF?
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SD card or CF card? The BDP-1 and BDP-2 use CF cards which are much larger in dimensions. I posted the reflash procedures for the BDP CF card reflash a few posts back.
It's a mini SD card.
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I am talking about a USB flash drive or music drive as you described. Excuse my lack of knowledge but what is a BDP CF card and an SD vs. CF?
Here some info on the different cards.....Micro SD, CF, and full size SD
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=242731)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=242732)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=242733)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SD_card
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash
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Here some info on the different cards.....Micro SD, CF, and full size SD
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=242731)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=242732)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=242733)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SD_card
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash
I thought these discs were for digital cameras. How would you use this on the BDPs?
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http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Replacing_Flash_Memory_in_BDP1a.pdf
The Compact Flash (CF) card is pictured in this link. BDP-1 and BDP-2s use CF cards to store the firmware and load it at boot up. I assume BDP-3s use the same system.
The "KINGSTON" card is the CF card.
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http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Replacing_Flash_Memory_in_BDP1a.pdf
The Compact Flash (CF) card is pictured in this link. BDP-1 and BDP-2s use CF cards to store the firmware and load it at boot up. I assume BDP-3s use the same system.
The "KINGSTON" card is the CF card.
Thanks Vonnie. I did not know. Since I own the BDP-2 and 3, I guess I won't need to replace my Compact Flash card will I? If I owned the BDP1, I'd be satisfied that it plays my USB files, and I would not care about Roon. No sound is better than imported music from CDs in my opinion. You would think that a BDP would result in buying less CDs. However, it had the opposite effect on me as I am buying more CDs. :o
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If it works ok, no need to replace it. (If it ain't broke, don't fix it...!)😀 You only need to replace/ re-flash the cards if they get corrupted.
Note: The BDP-2 came in two variants. One is a basically a souped up BDP-1 with a juli sound card and more memory. Starting Mid-2015 production units were manufactured with IAD, Bryston's own hardware. You could also get the BDP-2 upgraded to the IAD version by sending the unit back to Bryston.
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So, where are we on the OS3 Manic Moose operating system for the BDPs? I am certain that at least 1,000 BDPs have been sold just judging by my serial numbers. The survey on the new OS3 had about 13 participants with about two thirds of them requesting new operating system. To me, this sample is not a mandate for replacing Manic Moose, so I am hoping Bryston just continues to improve upon it as needed.
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I don't really have much to share, but yes attention is being shifted away form Manic Moose and into the thing that will replace it.
Chris
Any progress report available Chris?
This is FYI gbaby ✌🏻
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Any progress report available Chris?
This is FYI gbaby ✌🏻
Thanks and I appreciate you doing so. I purchase my BDPs exclusively to import uncompress music from my CDs from the USB drives. Manic Moose works almost flawlessly for me for this purpose. This is how it was initially marketed. However, if it is deficient now due to add ons like Qobz and Tidal, and Bryston feels it needs a new operating system to accommodate these companies or to streamline Network capabilities, It does not bother me as this is a company decision. I just wanted the company to know that Manic Moose works for my purposes. I feel the company needs to make sure that those who upgraded to wi fi and the BDP3 need to be accommodated first with the upgrade being an aspiration perhaps. But they definitely need to fix my wifi and front two USB drive that don't function when I got my BDP2 upgraded to BDP3. Did Bryston abandon wifi for for the BDP3?
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Did Bryston abandon wifi for for the BDP3?
I thought it was only available thru a usb dongle. Hope you get that sorted out.
By the way...
I’m also using MM exclusively to listen to my music stored on hard drives.
It should be stable by now, but not for me and not on the BDP-3.14
Maybe the new OS will be better for all concerned! 🙏
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I thought it was only available thru a usb dongle. Hope you get that sorted out.
By the way...
I’m also using MM exclusively to listen to my music stored on hard drives.
It should be stable by now, but not for me and not on the BDP-3.14
Maybe the new OS will be better for all concerned! 🙏
Actually, I have both the wi-fi USB dongle as well tas the antennae Wi-Fi and neither work. I have to use a bridge which I had hope to eliminate when I upgraded to the BDP3 but it has never worked. I hope you are right about the New OS system.
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Actually, I have both the wi-fi USB dongle as well tas the antennae Wi-Fi and neither work. I have to use a bridge which I had hope to eliminate when I upgraded to the BDP3 but it has never worked. I hope you are right about the New OS system.
Have you been in touch with Chris Rice? ( crice@bryston.com )
He’s helped me a lot with several issues.
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Have you been in touch with Chris Rice? ( crice@bryston.com )
He’s helped me a lot with several issues.
I have been in contact with Chris. We never could get the wi fi working on the BDP3, and as far as the two from USB inputs not working, he sent me a "harness" to put in the BDP3, and I have been trying to get instructions no how to put it in. I am seriously considering buying a portable hard drive, and use it rather than bother with the two front USB inputs.
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I have been in contact with Chris. We never could get the wi fi working on the BDP3, and as far as the two from USB inputs not working, he sent me a "harness" to put in the BDP3, and I have been trying to get instructions no how to put it in. I am seriously considering buying a portable hard drive, and use it rather than bother with the two front USB inputs.
Disappointing to hear!
What’s the harness supposed to do? Is it a replacement or an add-on?
Chris should have sent you pics and instructions with the harness! If not…👎🏼👎🏼
I definitely think a portable HD is the way to go. I’m using a 1Tb Samsung SSD and it’s flawless. Plenty of capacity for my library (the part I listen to that is!) I have a 6TB & a 2TB desktop HD for everything music, so I can backup and shuffle what’s on my SSD, at will.
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Disappointing to hear!
What’s the harness supposed to do? Is it a replacement or an add-on?
Chris should have sent you pics and instructions with the harness! If not…👎🏼👎🏼
I definitely think a portable HD is the way to go. I’m using a 1Tb Samsung SSD and it’s flawless. Plenty of capacity for my library (the part I listen to that is!) I have a 6TB & a 2TB desktop HD for everything music, so I can backup and shuffle what’s on my SSD, at will.
I have absolutely no idea. And, I am not going to open up the unit just to experiment. I am using 4 USB drives in the back for music an the other two USB drives in the rear are used to connect USB to the SP3 and the BDA3. I have run out of space for my 4 USB drives in the rear that I use for music. I think that if I copy one of the rear USB drives to a hard drive, it will be enough space for me forever. For the record, I am not upset with Bryston or Chris. I figure working on the new operating system is keeping him busy.
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I have absolutely no idea. And, I am not going to open up the unit just to experiment. I am using 4 USB drives in the back for music an the other two USB drives in the rear are used to connect USB to the SP3 and the BDA3. I have run out of space for my 4 USB drives in the rear that I use for music. I think that if I copy one of the rear USB drives to a hard drive, it will be enough space for me forever. For the record, I am not upset with Bryston or Chris. I figure working on the new operating system is keeping him busy.
I have no idea of your setup, but having permanent music library split up on multiple drives seems like a headache to maintain. Go for a NAS with a big drive and get all the noise away from the unit. Portable drives go as big as 5TB. WD Easystores 14TB goes on sale every Black Friday and it's the most economic pricing per TB. It was around $18-19/TB which is insane.
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I have no idea of your setup, but having permanent music library split up on multiple drives seems like a headache to maintain. Go for a NAS with a big drive and get all the noise away from the unit. Portable drives go as big as 5TB. WD Easystores 14TB goes on sale every Black Friday and it's the most economic pricing per TB. It was around $18-19/TB which is insane.
I am using four (4) separate USB 512 USB drives. It works great. However, I ran out of space which is why I may get a 1 or 2 gig hard drive. I will not be buying enough music to load a hard drive.
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Disappointing to hear!
What’s the harness supposed to do? Is it a replacement or an add-on?
Chris should have sent you pics and instructions with the harness! If not…👎🏼👎🏼
I definitely think a portable HD is the way to go. I’m using a 1Tb Samsung SSD and it’s flawless. Plenty of capacity for my library (the part I listen to that is!) I have a 6TB & a 2TB desktop HD for everything music, so I can backup and shuffle what’s on my SSD, at will.
I just added a 2 Terabyte Toshiba USB drive to one of the rear USB inputs and I believe I will never need any more space for music with what I already own. Whatever complaint I may have had about not being able to use the front USB drives are irrelevant. Plus I get to keep the front clean without the USB drives sticking out. I cannot expect too much more from Manic Moose. It serves all my needs for delivering uncompressed digital music in a simple yet elegant form.
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I just added a 2 Terabyte Toshiba USB drive to one of the rear USB inputs and I believe I will never need any more space for music with what I already own. Whatever complaint I may have had about not being able to use the front USB drives are irrelevant. Plus I get to keep the front clean without the USB drives sticking out. I cannot expect to much more from Manic Moose. It serves all my needs for delivering uncompressed digital music in a simple yet elegant form.
Excellent! Glad you’re happy with your setup 👍👍👍✌🏻
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Excellent! Glad you’re happy with your setup 👍👍👍✌🏻
On second thought, the 2 terabyte hard drive may not be the solution. I loaded music on it and it takes about 30 seconds for the music to play once you load it and hit play. I think this is because I need to use USB flash drive and not a USB hard drive. At this point, my only solution will be to send it back to Bryston and get them to fix the two front USB inputs. I also noticed with the hard drive there was a few pauses in the music.
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On second thought, the 2 terabyte hard drive may not be the solution. I loaded music on it and it takes about 30 seconds for the music to play once you load it and hit play. I think this is because I need to use USB flash drive and not a USB hard drive. At this point, my only solution will be to send it back to Bryston and get them to fix the two front USB inputs. I also noticed with the hard drive there was a few pauses in the music.
Sounds like Bryston might be your best bet 🫤
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Have had my bdp-2 for years and no problems front or back.
Also have a 2 terabyte seagate and always showtime as I delete and make new playlists.
No pauses here.
Today received some infinity s7 fans(usb)and plugged them into the bdp-2!
All’s good.
She should have been good from the start.
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Have had my bdp-2 for years and no problems front or back.
Also have a 2 terabyte seagate and always showtime as I delete and make new playlists.
No pauses here.
Today received some infinity s7 fans(usb)and plugged them into the bdp-2!
All’s good.
She should have been good from the start.
Thanks for the information. 8)
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On second thought, the 2 terabyte hard drive may not be the solution. I loaded music on it and it takes about 30 seconds for the music to play once you load it and hit play. I think this is because I need to use USB flash drive and not a USB hard drive. At this point, my only solution will be to send it back to Bryston and get them to fix the two front USB inputs. I also noticed with the hard drive there was a few pauses in the music.
the bdp-2 manual states that the usb ports can only supply 50ma to power devices. this is a VERY small amount. if you're using anything other than a flash drive, i would expect issues because of the lack of available current. anything other than a flash drive should be powered externally.
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the bdp-2 manual states that the usb ports can only supply 50ma to power devices. this is a VERY small amount. if you're using anything other than a flash drive, i would expect issues because of the lack of available current. anything other than a flash drive should be powered externally.
Thanks for your post. It makes sense to me. 8)
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the bdp-2 manual states that the usb ports can only supply 50ma to power devices. this is a VERY small amount. if you're using anything other than a flash drive, i would expect issues because of the lack of available current. anything other than a flash drive should be powered externally.
That's a typo. It should be 500ma. I've powered flash drives, spinning portable hard drives from WD/Seagate, and portable Sandisk SSDs off every port from the BDP-1. The BDP-1 had the 500ma split across 3 of the USB ports and the 4th one was a dedicated one (rear bottom).
The BDP-2 has even more juice. That 50ma is a typo.
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That's a typo. It should be 500ma. I've powered flash drives, spinning portable hard drives from WD/Seagate, and portable Sandisk SSDs off every port from the BDP-1. The BDP-1 had the 500ma split across 3 of the USB ports and the 4th one was a dedicated one (rear bottom).
The BDP-2 has even more juice. That 50ma is a typo.
Thanks. Do you think the BDP 2 or 3 have enough power to access a 2 terabyte USB hard drive?
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My bdp-2 has to be 5yr or more and have had the 2T Seagate ext drive for the same amount of time.
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That's a typo. It should be 500ma. I've powered flash drives, spinning portable hard drives from WD/Seagate, and portable Sandisk SSDs off every port from the BDP-1. The BDP-1 had the 500ma split across 3 of the USB ports and the 4th one was a dedicated one (rear bottom).
The BDP-2 has even more juice. That 50ma is a typo.
that's a rather significant typo. i was surprised to see such a small amount. 500mA is much better, 1 amp would be ideal.
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My bdp-2 has to be 5yr or more and have had the 2T Seagate ext drive for the same amount of time.
I am now thinking that power to the hard drive is not the problem as I put about 300 gigs of DSD files on the Toshiba hard drive and they all play perfectly without skipping or pausing. Subsequently, I put the entire catalog of music by a smooth jazz Artist named Vincent Ingala and this is when my problems started. I am thinking that the files may have been corrupted on installation so I am going to delete this file and start all over with installing them. This will be done tonight and I will let you know what happened. If your 2T Seagate works, so though my 2T Toshiba. :oops:
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Thanks. Do you think the BDP 2 or 3 have enough power to access a 2 terabyte USB hard drive?
Yes, it will power any modern portable 2.5" drives from the likes of Seagate, Sandisk, or WD. As you go up in TB size, the power requirements do increase a little bit, but nothing that will cause issues. On my BDP-1 which had a far weaker power supply, I could simultaneously power 2 x 2.5" portable drives (2TB and 4TB) and also a flash drive.
The power limit of the USB ports was more of an issue back then because the BDP-1 had a weak power supply and the drives weren't as efficient and were bulkier as well. Nowadays, the drives have gotten more efficient and Bryston made sure to juice up the power supply with BDP-2 and BDP-3 to avoid the issues of BDP-1 and its smaller power supply.
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that's a rather significant typo. i was surprised to see such a small amount. 500mA is much better, 1 amp would be ideal.
BDP-3 has USB 3.0 and USB 2.0 ports. I'm not sure how much those USB 3.0 can supply, but that can potentially be close to 1A/900mA.
Bryston can maybe clear it up rather than us speculate.
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I think I am straight now fellows and I appreciate everyone's input. What I did was to delete the four Vincent Ingala CD files I imported on the hard drive and re-installed the four CD files. It is now playing like a charm. It cues up instantly and I have no pauses in the music. I think I corrupted the files by the means I imported the music, but I will spare everyone the details but I will say laziness was a factor. :oops: By the way, if you are into smooth jazz, Vincent Ingala is the best out there if you like energy, great recordings and great original compositions. 8)
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Well, about time. Manic Moose is and have always been beta software. I have tried to play Peter Gabriels ”That’ll do” for a couple of years now and it still comes opp with the ”oops” message 👎
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=261999)
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Out of curiosity I just tried the same track on my BR-20. No issue.
I notice from the screen shot of your BDP-2 that "Update / Clear / Consume" appears in the center of your dashboard, just below transport controls and time bar. on my BR-20 the same line appears just above the Now Playing column on the left. Are you running the latest software/firmware versions of MM on your BDP-2?
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262009)
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I notice from the screen shot of your BDP-2 that "Update / Clear / Consume" appears in the center of your dashboard, just below transport controls and time bar.
That is how Safari renders it on iOS. In my iPad i have it in the center as well while on my macbook it’s on the left.
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That is how Safari renders it on iOS. In my iPad i have it in the center as well while on my macbook it’s on the left.
the UI will adjust itself relative to the height and width available, on an ipad the UI layout changes if you switch between landscape or portrait (the orientation your holding the iPad) or if its a full size iPad or an iPad Mini.
Chris
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the UI will adjust itself relative to the height and width available, on an ipad the UI layout changes if you switch between landscape or portrait (the orientation your holding the iPad) or if its a full size iPad or an iPad Mini.
Chris
Any feedback on the OS3 beta?(Chris)
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the UI will adjust itself relative to the height and width available, on an ipad the UI layout changes if you switch between landscape or portrait (the orientation your holding the iPad) or if its a full size iPad or an iPad Mini.
Chris
Thanks Chris, I know that’s a by design behavior. I was just replying to @dan h that it is not related with the Manic Moose version
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Thanks, Alan and Chris, I neglected to consider different browsers. I'm using only MS Edge.
Still odd, though, that that track won't play on Blik9's BDP-2 but presumably has no issues with any other track.
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262189)
Also: Ryan Adams ”Big ”Colors” comes up like this. Remarks about landscape/portrait are not very relevant. We’ve been experiencing these kind of serious errors for a long time now. Time to do something about it!
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Blik9, it appears you chose a video file (video.flac). Use the non-video file.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262190)
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No this was not the track, it was the album. It’s in my favourites, but the only way to play it is to search for it again in MM and play it from there. Managable, but annoying!
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I see what you mean now.
The first time I selected album it came up with only that video.flac file. I cleared that and searched again and was able to add the entire album.
Don't know if that's a MM problem or a Tital problem.
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Any feedback on the OS3 beta?(Chris)
Just a couple of employees with BR20's have been testing it on and off last couple months, mostly just testing the convenience switching (instead of turning services on and off manual) between Roon Ready, TIDAL Connect, Spotify Connect, Shairport-Sync, etc as there isn't much of a UI yet and what UI does exist is more of a exploration of using the new framework and how it can be leveraged at this point.
Chris
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Just a couple of employees with BR20's have been testing it on and off last couple months, mostly just testing the convenience switching (instead of turning services on and off manual) between Roon Ready, TIDAL Connect, Spotify Connect, Shairport-Sync, etc as there isn't much of a UI yet and what UI does exist is more of a exploration of using the new framework and how it can be leveraged at this point.
Chris
Take your time. No rush from me. :icon_lol:
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Take your time. No rush from me. :icon_lol:
Neither for me, as I switched to Audirvana ;-)
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Neither for me, as I switched to Audirvana ;-)
Good for you. If it is worth your paying a subscription fee for a sound better than Roon, fine with me. I’ll stick with the free Manic Moose that sounds better than Roon and suits my needs. :lol: :duh:
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Good for you. If it is worth your paying a subscription fee for a sound better than Roon, fine with me. I’ll stick with the free Manic Moose that sounds better than Roon and suits my needs. :lol: :duh:
Manic Moose is not for free… BR-20 has a price tag of EUR 9870 here (USD 10,700).
Audirvana fee is nothing to have a good usability and a seamless experience and integration between Qobuz and local library.
My 2p
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Please hurry Bryston. Don't listen to people that don't use the features. If they are happy using it for local file playback only then they can continue doing so, but every day I see customers jumping ship or avoiding Bryston products altogether because of this ancient software. It was a cool idea 13 years ago.
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Definitly second that. 13 years and still full of bugs. I don’t want to be unkind: I love the Bryston sound, but I think this is kind of disrespectful to the people who chose you.
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Definetly second that. 13 years and still full of bugs. I don’t want to be unkind: I love the Bryston sound, but I think this is kind of disrespectful to the people who chose you.
Exactly my thoughts...
I really want to keep using my 314 but other devices seem quite appealing for me at the moment.
I'm looking towards Lindemann amazing interface
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Reply to thread posters:
I am not going to not buy a Mac or PC just because I do not like the included browse’s features. I will just download a different browser (in this case the music player software) with the features I like.
No effect on the operation/sound of the hardware.
IMHO
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Manic Moose is not for free… BR-20 has a price tag of EUR 9870 here (USD 10,700).
Audirvana fee is nothing to have a good usability and a seamless experience and integration between Qobuz and local library.
My 2p
Manic Moose is free. You are using a pre-amp with built in streamer and DAC. I am using a stand alone BDP3/BDA3.
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Manic Moose is not for free… BR-20 has a price tag of EUR 9870 here (USD 10,700).
Audirvana fee is nothing to have a good usability and a seamless experience and integration between Qobuz and local library.
My 2p
So, this is what OS3 is about, the integration between Qobuz and local library. No wonder I like the current Manic Moose. I don't even use Qobuz or Tidal as I found the standard Manic Moose sonically runs rings around both. :?
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So, this is what OS3 is about, the integration between Qobuz and local library. No wonder I like the current Manic Moose. I don't even use Qobuz or Tidal as I found the standard Manic Moose sonically runs rings around both. :?
You still don’t get it.
Qobuz and Tidal are music servers, Manic Moose is a control interface. If you’re not using Qobuz or Tidal, then the music you’re listening to comes from another source. That source is what sounds better to you, NOT the control interface.
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You still don’t get it.
Qobuz and Tidal are music servers, Manic Moose is a control interface. If you’re not using Qobuz or Tidal, then the music you’re listening to comes from another source. That source is what sounds better to you, NOT the control interface.
Yeah, there seems to be only one "Defender of the Indefensible" when it comes to MM. If he does not use/need a feature, then his implied argument is that "No one does". His posts show a rather simplistic understanding of all the "moving parts" of a streaming subsystem.
I live with the limitations of the MM UI, but anxiously await a modern interface equal to the quality of the Bryston streamer.
Cheers,
Geary
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You still don’t get it.
Qobuz and Tidal are music servers, Manic Moose is a control interface. If you’re not using Qobuz or Tidal, then the music you’re listening to comes from another source. That source is what sounds better to you, NOT the control interface.
I get it. You don't get me. I know MM is just a control interface. No big deal for me. I tried both Tidal and Qobuz upon their release. I did not like the sound of either preferring local USB through Manic Moose.
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Yeah, there seems to be only one :roll:"Defender of the Indefensible" when it comes to MM. If he does not use/need a feature, then his implied argument is that "No one does". His posts show a rather simplistic understanding of all the "moving parts" of a streaming subsystem.
I live with the limitations of the MM UI, but anxiously await a modern interface equal to the quality of the Bryston streamer.
Cheers,
Geary
Look Buddy, I'm doing what you are doing. Don't try to read my mind, its too complex. You want a new interface because Manic Moose isn't doing what you want. I want to keep it because its doing everything I want. You have selfish needs; so do I. :roll:
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Look Buddy, I'm doing what you are doing. Don't try to read my mind, its too complex. You want a new interface because Manic Moose isn't doing what you want. I want to keep it because its doing everything I want. You have selfish needs; so do I. :roll:
Actually not even close! I do not, nor does anyone else on this circle, jump on every new BDP interface post, like Pavlov's dogs, with inane whining that "I love it! Leave it alone". We got "that" ages ago, but evidently you have not.
Cheers,
Geary
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I suggest that we remain respectful towards each other, but it is indeed difficult to understand why a member systematically writes in each post relating to MM that he likes this interface. I use MM with my BDP-3. My opinion is that this interface is not up to par and is outdated, but regardless of that fact, my Bryston system sounds like heaven. There are obviously reasons why many users would like an update to MM and this is what they express in their posts. Ultimately, it is Bryston who makes the decision to allocate his resources where he believes it will be most important. There seems to be a consensus that users love their Bryston products, but would like a more modern interface, more adapted to their needs, more adapted to new technologies, etc. To my knowledge, the reality is that there is only one user who consistently feels the need to express the fact that he likes MM. I still try to see both sides of the coin and I admit that it's an irritant when we try to express what could be improved, when we discuss it... and each time, A post appears to say that everything is good and everything can stay like that. Obviously, this does not provide much of a solution.
François
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Hear Hear :thumb:
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Aside from my own “selfish” needs, I want Bryston to succeed with the BDP line but the software is hurting sales. I am confident the software will be updated in a manner that doesn’t impede anyone’s use case, especially if it is that simple. To actively sabotage the effort and deny existence of an entire music industry in its current form is beyond selfish and regressive.
:popcorn:
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:o :o
Aside from my own “selfish” needs, I want Bryston to succeed with the BDP line but the software is hurting sales. I am confident the software will be updated in a manner that doesn’t impede anyone’s use case, especially if it is that simple. To actively sabotage the effort and deny existence of an entire music industry in its current form is beyond selfish and regressive.
:popcorn:
You guys are giving me a lot of power. Thanks. :o
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Hear Hear :thumb:
8) :D
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Last night, I had the opportunity to compare a Steely Dan composition entitled "Do It Again" from a UHQR LP playing at 45 RPM, against a .wav file from the 2 CD Steely Dan Greatest Hits playing back on my Bryston BDP3/BDA3 combo. My turntable was a Rega P6 with an Ania moving coil cartridge. The phono pre-amp was the Bryson BP-2 mm/mc. To my ears, the .wav file playing back this composition was hands down sonically better. Did Manic Moose contribute to this better sound? I don't know, but I decided against buying "Aja" in UHQR and saved myself $150.00 I own several UHQR LPs and never play them
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Good your not reelin in the years gbaby or you’d b sayin back jack do it it again,
Had to say it cuz I love their music.
MM works for me, I mean set your playlist, hit play enjoy.
I don’t need nothing but the music,I don’t get why some need …..well I don’t know.
Oh yeah wheels turnin round and round.
K I’ll shut off,that’s what my Imported China Doll tells me at times.
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I don’t limit myself to musical content based on sound quality or convenience.
Formats exist…
- Flac downloads and streams
- Internet radio and Sirius XM streams for background/driving or discovering new music
- Vinyl collection of preferred analog masters or music unreleased in digital form
- CD collection including HDCD and SACD
- Laserdisc for movies never released on DVD
- Blu-ray concerts, etc.
Have a music collection that needs to be played but also discovering new material every day. MM is not good for all that.
Musical content determines playback method, not the other way around.
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Good your not reelin in the years gbaby or you’d b sayin back jack do it it again,
Had to say it cuz I love their music.
MM works for me, I mean set your playlist, hit play enjoy.
I don’t need nothing but the music,I don’t get why some need …..well I don’t know.
Oh yeah wheels turnin round and round.
K I’ll shut off,that’s what my Imported China Doll tells me at times.
8) :D
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Last night, I had the opportunity to compare a Steely Dan composition entitled "Do It Again" from a UHQR LP playing at 45 RPM, against a .wav file from the 2 CD Steely Dan Greatest Hits playing back on my Bryston BDP3/BDA3 combo. My turntable was a Rega P6 with an Ania moving coil cartridge. The phono pre-amp was the Bryson BP-2 mm/mc. To my ears, the .wav file playing back this composition was hands down sonically better. Did Manic Moose contribute to this better sound? I don't know, but I decided against buying "Aja" in UHQR and saved myself $150.00 I own several UHQR LPs and never play them
MM for sure plays files very well but I believe that a well recorded cd (or equivalent digital file) outperforms a vinyl print any way you play it.
Vinyl has a maximum S/N (signal to noise) ratio of around 65dB (that would be with a top quality LP, which is handled VERY carefully and has never been played). 16/44 digital (aka: CD) has a maximum S/N ratio of around 90dB (the bigger the number, the better).
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MM for sure plays files very well but I believe that a well recorded cd (or equivalent digital file) outperforms a vinyl print any way you play it.
Vinyl has a maximum S/N (signal to noise) ratio of around 65dB (that would be with a top quality LP, which is handled VERY carefully and has never been played). 16/44 digital (aka: CD) has a maximum S/N ratio of around 90dB (the bigger the number, the better).
I think the jury is still out on this one. It depends on too many factors. I have the Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" in UHQR 45. It blows away the SACD version. But owning about 1,500, vinyl records, I don't think the majority of them sound better than the CD or digital file. I guess that's why I packed away most of my vinyl except about 50 chosen ones.
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I think the jury is still out on this one. It depends on too many factors. I have the Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" in UHQR 45. It blows away the SACD version. But owning about 1,500, vinyl records, I don't think the majority of them sound better than the CD or digital file. I guess that's why I packed away most of my vinyl except about 50 chosen ones.
Fully agree… at the end the quality of the recording drives 90% of the result, in fact I said “a well recorded cd”. Unfortunately, many cd versions are crap despite the higher technical specs of the cd support. Dr loudness war archives can prevent buying most of them.
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Good your not reelin in the years gbaby or you’d b sayin back jack do it it again,
Had to say it cuz I love their music.
MM works for me, I mean set your playlist, hit play enjoy.
I don’t need nothing but the music,I don’t get why some need …..well I don’t know.
Oh yeah wheels turnin round and round.
K I’ll shut off,that’s what my Imported China Doll tells me at times.
I ordered Aja in UHQR on Friday and I will report my opinion on its vinyl sound vs. digital through the Manic Moose interface. I guess I really do like Steely Dan. :)
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:D………. Only a fool could say that……
Can’t buy a thrill one of my favorites
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UNQR what the hell is that,Digital,never heard of it. :scratch:
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UNQR what the hell is that,Digital,never heard of it. :scratch:
If you mean UHQR this might help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ZLaR4IbAY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ZLaR4IbAY)
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:D………. Only a fool could say that……
Can’t buy a thrill one of my favorites
That was the first UHQR vinyl by Steely Dan released by Acoustic Sounds, and I purchased it. 8)
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Last night, I had the opportunity to compare a Steely Dan composition entitled "Do It Again" from a UHQR LP playing at 45 RPM, against a .wav file from the 2 CD Steely Dan Greatest Hits playing back on my Bryston BDP3/BDA3 combo. My turntable was a Rega P6 with an Ania moving coil cartridge. The phono pre-amp was the Bryson BP-2 mm/mc. To my ears, the .wav file playing back this composition was hands down sonically better. Did Manic Moose contribute to this better sound? I don't know, but I decided against buying "Aja" in UHQR and saved myself $150.00 I own several UHQR LPs and never play them
Steely Dan has been putting out SACDs over the past year. Can't Buy a Thrill, Countdown to Ecstasy, and Pretzel Logic have been released. Katy Lied should be released soon. I ordered mine at Music Direct. All have sounded good on my setup.