[Hobbsmeerkat]

You should modify one first and play both of them side by side, then swap their positions, that way you have a direct comparison from one to the other! 

[rolyb]

Maybe Danny can help me here:
Please have a look at the "speech bubbles" ...
Is this way of connection okay?
In particular the Input + and Woofer low +.
I m confused .. sorry .. 

Thanks for help.

roly

You should modify one first and play both of them side by side, then swap their positions, that way you have a direct comparison from one to the other! 

[Danny Richie]

Maybe Danny can help me here:
Please have a look at the "speech bubbles" ...
Is this way of connection okay?
In particular the Input + and Woofer low +.
I m confused .. sorry .. 

Thanks for help.

roly

Check the wiring diagram. The tweeter has reverse polarity.

[rolyb]

Check the wiring diagram. The tweeter has reverse polarity.

Thanks Danny - But sorry, i'm not a pro. I do not understand what to change .. 
When I compare other pictures, it looks the same.

[Hobbsmeerkat]

Thanks Danny - But sorry, i'm not a pro. I do not understand what to change .. 
When I compare other pictures, it looks the same.

He's saying to be sure to connect the positive end of the crossover to the negative terminal on the tweeter, and the negative end of the crossover to the positive terminal.

[rolyb]

He's saying to be sure to connect the positive end of the crossover to the negative terminal on the tweeter, and the negative end of the crossover to the positive terminal.
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Oh ! I didn't note that ! And did not .. 
I'll change it immediately 

Thank you for your help.   


Here a picture of my build so far ...

[Hobbsmeerkat]

Glad to help!
It's looking great in there! I'm sure it'll sound fantastic compared to the stock setup!

[rolyb]

Glad to help!
It's looking great in there! I'm sure it'll sound fantastic compared to the stock setup!

Just started listening now.
Yamaha RX-A 3080 - Crown XLS 2502 - Pure Direct. Stereo. Only left speaker is "tuned" with the crossover.
Next step: Yamaha RX-A 3080 - Denon POA2800 ...
Next: Denon AVC3000 - Denon POA2800 ...

Well ... i have some fun now   


Used the connectors from danny, but as well my own (comparing .. )

[Danny Richie]

He's saying to be sure to connect the positive end of the crossover to the negative terminal on the tweeter, and the negative end of the crossover to the positive terminal.

Correct!

And if you don't flip that polarity then there will be a huge hole in the response.

[rolyb]

Correct!

And if you don't flip that polarity then there will be a huge hole in the response.

Thank you. I changed   
My first impression: No huge difference. Gentler. A little more space. (Keep in mind i only have changed the left speaker with crossover).
But i m not finished with testing (means listening    ).

if interested, I like to report more.

[Hobbsmeerkat]

By all means! I'm excited to hear your results!

[Hobbsmeerkat]

I still recommend swapping left and right speakers, it helps make any differences more noticeable, kind of like an artist technique of flipping a canvas upside down or looking at thru a mirror to find its flaws.

[rolyb]

I still recommend swapping left and right speakers, it helps make any differences more noticeable, kind of like an artist technique of flipping a canvas upside down or looking at thru a mirror to find its flaws.

Well, tomorrow i'll disassemble the whole ... i can't feel an increase. So i'll replace these cheap cables (0.25 mm) with mine .. (2.5 mm).
But still only on one speaker.
I usually don't do this effort. But spent to much time and money in these "really bad" (insufficient) Klipsch RP8000-F speakers.
Yes, they were not really expensive ... But thanks to youtube and press i belived.  A shame. They were lying.
Compared to my own build speakers 3-way labyrinth tower, they are a joke.
Excuse my English. 
I would be happy to report then the result of the change      made by roly (c) .

 

[Hobbsmeerkat]

Interesting.. I know using speaker cables that are are too small can definitely cause a loss of signal quality, so I imagine that it's the same for internal wire as well. Tho ive also heard the same thing in the other direction, with the sweet spot being 16-10 gauge wire..
Either way, I look forward to hearing how it changes the overall experience!

But I feel ya on the being burned with expensive products that don't live up to the hype.

[rolyb]

Well, tomorrow i'll disassemble the whole ... i can't feel an increase. So i'll replace these cheap cables (0.25 mm) with mine .. (2.5 mm).
But still only on one speaker.
I usually don't do this effort. But spent to much time and money in these "really bad" (insufficient) Klipsch RP8000-F speakers.
Yes, they were not really expensive ... But thanks to youtube and press i belived.  A shame. They were lying.
Compared to my own build speakers 3-way labyrinth tower, they are a joke.
Excuse my English. 
I would be happy to report then the result of the change      made by roly (c) .

 

Update KLIPSCH RP8000-F with GR Crossover.

The second speaker is made. Used other cables. See pics.








Well, i can't hear a difference between them (because of changing the cables). So no sense not to use Dany's cables.

Now they sound "okay", better than bevor the upgrade. But i would not buy Klipsch speakers anymore and upgrade them ...
Better try some DIY speakers.   

Regards from hot Switzerland and 
roly

[Hobbsmeerkat]

I'm still surprised there isn't a more noticeable difference if any, even with the upgraded cables..
But it could very well just be a limitation of the drivers themselves, esp since the woofers are a custom metal/ceramic material rather than paper or woven fibers?

That said, considering the hole in the stock response of the upper-mid range, I would have thought there would have been a fuller response within that range?

[Danny Richie]

The wire we provided is a lot higher quality than the clear PVC jacketed wire that you used on those. And it should make an audible difference in performance. And the wire gauge has little to do with how it sounds. The 16 gauge wire is plenty big enough for this application.

[rolyb]

Well, i believe electricity flows around wires, not through wires.
A cable that has 200 "wires" has more "flow" than a cable with only 6 or 8 "wires".
Does the "PVC jacketed" matter in this case?
I think too "fat" cables are not good. Too small as well not.
Beg you pardon for my strange english .. 

Regards
roly

[rolyb]

I'm still surprised there isn't a more noticeable difference if any, even with the upgraded cables..
But it could very well just be a limitation of the drivers themselves, esp since the woofers are a custom metal/ceramic material rather than paper or woven fibers?

That said, considering the hole in the stock response of the upper-mid range, I would have thought there would have been a fuller response within that range?

Everything re-measured and repositioning the speakers.
Was watching a movie, I can already tell a difference.
The one with the fatter cables sounds clearer and louder.
... but one quickly imagines something ...
Soon will also swap the cables for the first speaker. And then that was all.   
Thank you for your help and comments.

Greetings from Switzerland,

roly   

[Danny Richie]

There won't be any "flow" problem.

PVC will degrade the single compared to polyethylene.

Keep in mind though that the polyethylene cable will need a lot more time to burn in and settle.