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Title: McDonalds
Post by: Charles Calkins on 18 Dec 2016, 09:05 pm
     
       Hi Guys:
          My daughter wanted to go shopping for gifts yesterday. Got a late start.
          "Cook dinner when I get back"  I said no you don't have to. Just stop at
          McDonald's  and get me a Big Mac and fries. She did. Big Mac tasted pretty good.
          Fries were good.

           So the gist of this tale is that this is the first Big Mac i ever had. I'm not going to
           make a habit of eating them. Maybe in another 85 years when I'm 170 years old.
           I'll get another one.

                                                          Cheers
                                                        Charlie
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Syrah on 18 Dec 2016, 11:10 pm
I do like Big Macs.  I have a funnier story.  I lived in France for 3 years and my wife is French.  I'm an amateur chef.

My wife, my 13 yr old son and I were on a road trip in Canada.  We live in the Cayman Islands, so my son never had a McDonalds breakfast.

We stopped at McDonalds.  Turns out they were testing a new product, pain au chocolat.  We figured, haha, this should be funny, let's try them.

Guess what?  Delicious.  Absolutely delicious.  Not the standard of top notch French ones, but above the standard of your average French one.

None of us could believe it.  I mean, hats off to McD's.  I suppose it's a matter of time before market testing makes them too sweet, too fatty, too everything.  But shockingly good for now.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: MaxCast on 19 Dec 2016, 02:29 am
Positive reviews so far.   :)   I haven't ate at Ron's in three years.  Prefer a BK double cheese burger.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: CSI on 19 Dec 2016, 05:17 am
McDonald's fare is good nourishing fast food and quite enjoyable to nearly anyone with an open mind - even gourmets. I remember when master chef Julia Child declared McDonald's french fries to be superb. She was right, but some people were still horrified.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 19 Dec 2016, 10:35 am
There is something about the smell of the buns McDonalds uses that turns me off. So I can't really take the burgers.

I also am not a big fan of fast food hamburger patties. As factory burger patties they use Federally Graded meat, but it's low grade (Canada D, the lowest grade suitable for human consumption) that contains cow meat (typically retired dairy cows) which is why you can get BCS from fast food.

I only buy Canada AAA or AA ground beef from steer (castrated male less than 2 years old) which is by definition BCS-free. Plus it tastes so much better.

[USDA Choice or Prime is similar to Canada AAA or AA, but the US allows steers up to 3 years old for their top grade beef. Factory made beef Patties use Utility, Cutter, and Canner grades in the US).

Old dairy cow meat is inherently lean, but relatively tasteless and must be ground to be palatable, which is why all Fast Food burgers use plenty of sauces.

I do like the french fries. My typical McD meal order is a Happy Meal with McNuggets (4x), Strawberry Yogurt, Apple Slices, and 2% Milk (yes, I am an adult); A large order of Fries; and a Medium Cappuccino with 2% milk. I also often order the Value Menu Caesar Salads.

Poultry is all Federally Inspected in Canada, but yeah, I do understand that processed chicken ("fused") isn't top shelf stuff. Still, it's no worse (again) than what you buy in the frozen foods section of the supermarket, as it's made the same way in the same factories. It's rare for a restaurant to not use domestic beef, pork or poultry in Canada, and McD is no exception, even using only Canadian grown fruits and vegetables, including potatoes for the fries.

But their famous consistency has to stop somewhere, and if you are from the US you might notice the soft drinks taste different, as we don't use Corn Sugars in Canada (and neither does anyone outside the US), although a certain amount is always present in the Coke Syrup, made in Atlanta for worldwide distribution.

One thing about McDs is they cater to local tastes when creating menus, and they also test market items in local areas that are not available nationwide or internationally. So my menu may be different from yours, but I believe the above are available everywhere.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 19 Dec 2016, 10:37 am
Damn "Modify" and "Quote" buttons on this forum. There oughta be a law.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 19 Dec 2016, 10:45 am
I might kill myself. Or maybe just get some sleep. Did it again.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: zybar on 19 Dec 2016, 12:40 pm
McDonald's fare is good nourishing fast food and quite enjoyable to nearly anyone with an open mind - even gourmets. I remember when master chef Julia Child declared McDonald's french fries to be superb. She was right, but some people were still horrified.

Nourishing????    :scratch:

Generally speaking, eating McDonalds (and almost all fast food) is horrible for you.

If you consume it too frequently, it can really harm you (Google this and you will see study after study showing some scary results).

Before I get flamed...I do like some fast food (such as Five Guys or Chipolte), but I limit how frequently it is consumed.

George
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: JLM on 19 Dec 2016, 02:05 pm
Food gets a bad rap.  Yes, McDonald's is food and it is nourishing but only to a point.  There is a ton of different diet ideas out there, but anything in excess is bad for you.  In our culture the problem is availability of food (access and cost).  For instance, it's been said that 98% of all Americans live within 3 miles of a McDonald's.  And a Big Mac represents one third to one half of the recommended adult daily intake of calories (of course nearly all fast food joints have similar menu options).  We just plain eat too much and too much of the wrong things (mostly grease, sugar, and salt).  Nationally obesity has become an epidemic.  Then we complain about healthcare costs.   :scratch:
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: wushuliu on 19 Dec 2016, 02:37 pm
If people want to eat McDonald's who am I to get in the way of darwinism at work. Last time I ate McDonald's it sat in my gut for days. No thanks.

Gimme in N out animal style anytime.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Randy on 19 Dec 2016, 03:43 pm
McDonald's fare is good nourishing fast food and quite enjoyable to nearly anyone with an open mind - even gourmets. I remember when master chef Julia Child declared McDonald's french fries to be superb. She was right, but some people were still horrified.

The fries at Burger King are a lot better. Let McDonald's fries sit for a few minutes, they turn to inedible leather.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Randy on 19 Dec 2016, 03:50 pm
Food gets a bad rap.  Yes, McDonald's is food and it is nourishing but only to a point.  There is a ton of different diet ideas out there, but anything in excess is bad for you.  In our culture the problem is availability of food (access and cost).  For instance, it's been said that 98% of all Americans live within 3 miles of a McDonald's.  And a Big Mac represents one third to one half of the recommended adult daily intake of calories (of course nearly all fast food joints have similar menu options).  We just plain eat too much and too much of the wrong things (mostly grease, sugar, and salt).  Nationally obesity has become an epidemic.  Then we complain about healthcare costs.   :scratch:

Yep, many Americans are hogs, plain and simple. 
Proud to say I changed my eating habits in one fell swoop last March and now weigh 20-25 pounds less than I did then. From 175 - 180 to 155 tops. It still allows for a burger at Mac's occasionally when I am in a hurry or to lazy to get something else. One benefit is that I can fit into pairs of pants I put away years ago when they became too tight. They fit nicely now.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Tyson on 19 Dec 2016, 04:11 pm
Food gets a bad rap.  Yes, McDonald's is food and it is nourishing but only to a point.  There is a ton of different diet ideas out there, but anything in excess is bad for you.  In our culture the problem is availability of food (access and cost).  For instance, it's been said that 98% of all Americans live within 3 miles of a McDonald's.  And a Big Mac represents one third to one half of the recommended adult daily intake of calories (of course nearly all fast food joints have similar menu options).  We just plain eat too much and too much of the wrong things (mostly grease, sugar, and salt).  Nationally obesity has become an epidemic.  Then we complain about healthcare costs.   :scratch:

Agreed - it's not so much the fries as much as it's the white bread bun and the coke that comes with it that's really terrible.  In the old days, McD's used beef tallow with their fries, which is a lot more stable fat than the seed oils they use now. 
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Syrah on 19 Dec 2016, 07:06 pm
BK fries are really good.  They've had their ups and downs with coated and other fry variation, but they seem to have now stuck with the tried and true.

I recall being in an eyewateringly expensive steakhouse with a big group of guys.  When we asked what their fries were like, they replied, "they're like McDonalds fries".  Everyone at the table seemed perfectly fine with that response.

For the bill we got, I could have eaten McDonalds fries all year.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Wayner on 19 Dec 2016, 07:24 pm
In the old days when cows would stop milking, they were taken off mastitis for a couple of months, then slaughtered for hamburger, a very common practice. This is a great way to dispatch and dispose of the animal, and when the meat is ground properly, with the right fat to lean ratio(s), can be awesome. The practice is environmentally a good thing, and health wise too. The meat is too tough for butchering into steaks and roasts.

Our meat grading system is based on flavor and texture of the meat(s), using Prime, Choice and Select as terms to grade the quality of meat for steaks and roasts.

Wayner
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: ctviggen on 19 Dec 2016, 07:30 pm
Agreed - it's not so much the fries as much as it's the white bread bun and the coke that comes with it that's really terrible.  In the old days, McD's used beef tallow with their fries, which is a lot more stable fat than the seed oils they use now.

That's because beef tallow has a very low percentage of polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs), which are the ones that go rancid/create potentially cancer-causing chemicals.  So does that EVIL lard, which has a very low percentage of PUFAs (and by the way is about 50% of oleic acid, which is the "saintly" oil in olive oil). 

I cringe every single time I see someone denigrate a burger, fries and a soft drink as being a "high fat" meal.  It's a high carb meal, with a high Omega 6 fatty acid profile and wheat (which I think is uniquely terrible). 
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: ctviggen on 19 Dec 2016, 07:39 pm
In the old days when cows would stop milking, they were taken off mastitis for a couple of months, then slaughtered for hamburger, a very common practice. This is a great way to dispatch and dispose of the animal, and when the meat is ground properly, with the right fat to lean ratio(s), can be awesome. The practice is environmentally a good thing, and health wise too. The meat is too tough for butchering into steaks and roasts.

Our meat grading system is based on flavor and texture of the meat(s), using Prime, Choice and Select as terms to grade the quality of meat for steaks and roasts.

Wayner

What I can't find any longer (since switching to a very high fat, very low carb diet) is 30% fat ground meat.  The highest percentage I can find is 20%.  I have been able to talk to some butchers and have them give me fat.  I had some steaks and grilled with them some fat the butcher gave me at the same time.  I ate some fat, and tried to eat more but could not.  The thing with fat (and protein) is that we have a built in feedback mechanism that limits how much we can eat.  I physically could not make myself eat any more fat.  I felt sick if I tried to do that.  And the same happened in an overfeeding experiment, where they took volunteers and made them overeat.  The volunteers could not overeat on pork chops. They refused to do so.  But give me (or those volunteers) carbs, and I (and they) can easily overeat.  There is no built in feedback mechanism for us for carbs.  That's why we can be incredibly full and still eat dessert.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: werd on 19 Dec 2016, 07:52 pm
I notice they run them like an atm now. You go up and use their screen, put your card in and pay. Then walk up and pick it up.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: ctviggen on 19 Dec 2016, 07:54 pm
Food gets a bad rap.  Yes, McDonald's is food and it is nourishing but only to a point.  There is a ton of different diet ideas out there, but anything in excess is bad for you.  In our culture the problem is availability of food (access and cost).  For instance, it's been said that 98% of all Americans live within 3 miles of a McDonald's.  And a Big Mac represents one third to one half of the recommended adult daily intake of calories (of course nearly all fast food joints have similar menu options).  We just plain eat too much and too much of the wrong things (mostly grease, sugar, and salt).  Nationally obesity has become an epidemic.  Then we complain about healthcare costs.   :scratch:

It's an epidemic because they tell us that low fat, high carb is good for us. There may be -- and likely are -- a select few who can eat that diet, but the vast majority of us cannot.  I ate very low fat for years and experienced many health problems, including depression and constant hunger.  It wasn't until I switched to a high fat, low carb diet that I stopped gaining weight and lost weight (down 55 pounds, though I gained maybe 5 after shoulder surgery).

My opinion is that anything you think you know is correct about nutrition is likely (1) unsupported by scientific evidence; and/or (2) has scientific evidence on both sides so there's no clear "winner"; and/or (3) is completely wrong.  You mentioned salt.  Did you know some people believe the very low limits of salt we're told to eat could CAUSE increased heart disease?  For a light-hearted account of this, see:

https://eathropology.com/2013/05/20/the-nacl-debacle-part-1-salt-makes-you-fat-2/
https://eathropology.com/2013/05/21/the-nacl-debacle-part-2-we-dont-need-no-stinkin-science-2/

For more detailed analysis, see:

http://garytaubes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/science-political-science-of-salt.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/opinion/sunday/we-only-think-we-know-the-truth-about-salt.html

Basically, there's probably a range of salt that's good.  What that range is, is completely unknown.  Personally, I've INCREASED my salt intake.  And feel better.  And have lost about 15 mmHg, diastolic blood pressure.  Of course, I can't tell how much of that is due to losing 55 pounds.  And I've been intermittent fasting, which tends to cause even greater blood pressure loss.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Tyson on 19 Dec 2016, 08:11 pm
I find with salt, as I eat less and less processed foods, that I actually need to use more salt on my home cooked food.  I've never had high blood pressure.  Slightly low, if anything. 
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Wayner on 19 Dec 2016, 08:54 pm
Our bodies are made from fats and proteins. It also needs salt to make reverse osmosis to work. I am very much an omnivore and enjoy my share of red meat. No, I don't read up on the latest bunch of propaganda on what is good/bad for you. A lot of how we are is in our DNA.

My grandmother would make breakfast in the morning on the Monarch wood burning cooking stove. She would get out the "never washed" cast iron skillet, fry up some pork product (usually bacon), then fry some eggs in the bacon grease (basting the eggs with the bacon grease). We would then have toast (home made, using LARD),  giving it a more then generous amount of butter, pour a glass of whole milk (it was pasteurized), and grandma and grandpa would have only what I would call "Norwegian diesel fuel" for coffee.

Grandma died at the ripe old age of 97. Grandpa sometime earlier (World War I vet).

Wayner
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: mcgsxr on 19 Dec 2016, 08:55 pm
I suspect I am simply trading one for another, but I don't eat much McD's anymore.

2-3 times a month my family will, but I head to Subway those evenings.  One of my daughters does too.

I used to eat McD's with frequency, but aging seems to have tempered my desire for it some.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: CSI on 19 Dec 2016, 11:13 pm
Our bodies are made from fats and proteins. It also needs salt to make reverse osmosis to work. I am very much an omnivore and enjoy my share of red meat. No, I don't read up on the latest bunch of propaganda on what is good/bad for you. A lot of how we are is in our DNA.

My grandmother would make breakfast in the morning on the Monarch wood burning cooking stove. She would get out the "never washed" cast iron skillet, fry up some pork product (usually bacon), then fry some eggs in the bacon grease (basting the eggs with the bacon grease). We would then have toast (home made, using LARD),  giving it a more then generous amount of butter, pour a glass of whole milk (it was pasteurized), and grandma and grandpa would have only what I would call "Norwegian diesel fuel" for coffee.

Grandma died at the ripe old age of 97. Grandpa sometime earlier (World War I vet).

Wayner

My old aunt Flossie lived the same way. Spent most of her life in a one room house in Estancia NM cooking on a wood stove. She lived to 103. You might argue it was because they never opened a McD's in Estancia but I'm giving the credit to all that bacon grease and fried eggs. She also cooked pies constantly and generally doubled the usual amount of sugar "just in case".
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Wind Chaser on 19 Dec 2016, 11:44 pm
The fries at Burger King are a lot better. Let McDonald's fries sit for a few minutes, they turn to inedible leather.

McDonald's fries, like their burgers, are especially disgusting and unfit for dignified human consumption.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: OzarkTom on 20 Dec 2016, 12:55 am
Three years ago, employees were warned not to eat fast food for their health. So my wife and I quit.
 
McDonald’s yanks website warning employees to avoid eating fast food

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mcdonald-yanks-website-warning-employees-avoid-eating-fast-food-article-1.1558895
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: 2bigears on 20 Dec 2016, 01:12 am
 :D   fast food is DEAD food.  almost zero good for you as it kills the gut health.  the potatoes they use are sprayed heavily.
           garbage in for bad health.  and old people use to work hard. plus their food was home raised.  we are all lazy now.  :D
              salt, grease and sugar.  perfect for adding pounds .  our health care is running outta money from people eating bad and
                not moving around enough.  :D      fat, lazy and more stupid every day.  haha ,,,,,,, :D
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: SteveFord on 20 Dec 2016, 01:15 am
Their salads seem okay but the rest of their food you can keep.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: 2bigears on 20 Dec 2016, 01:20 am
 :D   the salads have more cals than a burger meal ,    :D
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Wayner on 20 Dec 2016, 02:07 am
Fast food was never meant to be a life style, just as working there was never meant to be a life time job. You can lump pizza shops, bar food and cafe food in with all of this. Eating it once in a while is not going to endanger your health.

Demonizing a restaurant chain because a bunch of dopes live there is not right either.

I happen to be a stock holder in DIN (Applebees/IHOP) and find their food fine for what it is, and again, its not a lifestyle.

Wayner
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Bob2 on 20 Dec 2016, 02:23 am
Fast food was never meant to be a life style, just as working there was never meant to be a life time job. You can lump pizza shops, bar food and cafe food in with all of this. Eating it once in a while is not going to endanger your health.

Demonizing a restaurant chain because a bunch of dopes live there is not right either.

I happen to be a stock holder in DIN (Applebees/IHOP) and find their food fine for what it is, and again, its not a lifestyle.

Wayner
You have a good point.. "It's not a lifestyle". It shouldn't be but for many it is....
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: JerryM on 20 Dec 2016, 02:33 am
I think Charlie is pretty well off, having eaten there only once in the last 85 years.  :wink:

Glad you enjoyed the Big Mac and fries, Charlie. Next time, don't forget the chocolate shake.  :thumb:

Have fun,

Jerry
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: 2bigears on 20 Dec 2016, 02:55 am
 :D   like a carbon tax ,,,, they are thinking of a meat tax which would make a hamburger 40% more to buy. 
           the meat industry is killing the earth....  just so we can stuff our pie holes with garbage  ,,,, ha 
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Randy on 20 Dec 2016, 03:22 am
McDonald's fries, like their burgers, are especially disgusting and unfit for dignified human consumption.
That's a matter of opinion.  I like the Egg McMuffins when they don't burn the muffin.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Wayner on 20 Dec 2016, 03:25 am
The meat industry is not killing the earth. Most beef cattle eat grass, which would otherwise not be utilized. Human over population and their own pollution is killing the earth. If your worried about cow farts, how many Dinosaurs were there back 60 million years ago, and I'm sure they all had off-gassing. So were vulcanos.

Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: RDavidson on 20 Dec 2016, 03:45 am
Be accountable for your health and what you eat. Because, anecdotally, your aunt Suzie lived to 100 years old while eating pounds of bacon daily, doesn't mean you should nor expect to live to 100 by doing so. We're all genetically different (as Wayner said). However, if there's a blanket health statement that is true for the vast majority of people, it is to eat bad foods only in moderation (if at all). If you eat 85%-90% healthy, natural, whole foods, the last 10%-15% shouldn't really matter. Of course, eating the right balance of protein, fat, and carbs is important too, but that's more of a secondary issue. The problem is that people are addicted to eating 80%-90% garbage. It kind of pisses me off when people point the finger at the fast food chains and how convenient they are etc. etc. Unless you're forced to eat that kind of food or have a lack of choice (which I know is a true problem in some places), then you need to step back and examine your thought process and lifestyle. McDonald's isn't the enemy. The enemy is a lack of education (which is a giant can of worms in and of itself) and the societal fallout from it. Do you think McDonald's would exist as it does if it wasn't for this fact?
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: 2bigears on 20 Dec 2016, 03:48 am
 :D    the meat industry in collective from farms to the store accounts for 30% greenhouse gasses. loss of trees for pasture ,
           trucking ,, refrigeration, water usage is huge. meat eating is way outta control. we eat way to much as health suffers.. :D
                eat less-------eat better--------mostly plant based.......    food is medicine
             
           
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Rob Babcock on 20 Dec 2016, 05:29 am
Even if meat is "bad for the Earth" you can't blame McD's very much.  I mean, they probably get ten thousand of those tiny burgers out of a single cow! :P  Personally I come down on the agnostic side re fast food.  This thread made me think of McD's, something I don't often do.  Tonight I had a bunch of stuff to do (day off, running errands all day).  Thinking of this thread I popped into Mickie D's and had a McDouble and a glass of tea.  For fast food it was actually pretty good.  I'm a professional chef by vocation but I have my guilty pleasures like everyone.  As Wayner says, fast food is just fine IMO for what it is- an occasional indulgence and/or time saver.  You shouldn't live on it and it won't be a great career for everyone (although it can be for some).  Fast food is a symptom of the times, not the cause.  That's how I perceive it.
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: sebrof on 20 Dec 2016, 09:45 am
There are no bad foods, only bad diets. Eat too much of anything and you have a bad diet. (Too much of one thing means you're either not eating other things you should eat or you're over eating)

One of my favorite meals is 2 cheeseburgers, fries and a coke at McDonalds. I have that maybe 3 or 4 times a year. That's pretty much the only fast food I eat, except for when I am on a road trip or something like that.

My opinion is that anything you think you know is correct about nutrition is likely (1) unsupported by scientific evidence; and/or (2) has scientific evidence on both sides so there's no clear "winner"; and/or (3) is completely wrong. 
Can't disagree with this. I believe the best way to deal with nutrition is to eat a wide variety of foods, lots of fruit, veggies, and lean meats, drink water. Eat food - If it has a list of ingredients on the side, to me it's probably not food. Bananas, Yogurt, Pork loin...stuff like that don't have a list of ingredients. Peanut butter = Peanuts. You get the idea. Don't get caught up in special diets, or drinking green tea because it's better for you...that stuff really shouldn't matter if you eat food.

Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: rklein on 20 Dec 2016, 03:31 pm
I'm in the camp of Sebrof, Rob Babcock, R Davidson, Wayner, etc.

Americans only need look in the mirror to find out why they are obese.  It is not the fault of McDonalds.  In addition to the burgers, they also have the following:

Fruit/yogurt Parfait  150 calories
Side Salad 15 calories
Egg McMuffin 290 calories
Egg White McMuffin  250 calories
Hotcakes  330 calories
Sausage Burrito  290 calories

Unfortunately, McDonalds is the favorite "whipping boy" of the media/public on a number of fronts.  They are not the only business that pays minimum wage (and up).  Yet whenever you see picketing for higher minimum wages, they are always in front of a McDonalds.  Not a Wendy's, Arby's, Burger King, Walmart, etc.

Places like Panera's get a free pass when folks talk about fast food and obesity.  Let's take a closer look...

Panera's

Chipotle Chicken Avacado Melt  Cal. 800, Fat  57, Sodium 1820 mg.
Steak/White Cheddar Panini  Cal. 850, Fat 65, Sodium 1320 mg.
Frontega Chicken(my favorite) Cal. 750, Fat 32, Sodium 2050 mg.  :o
Bacon Turkey Bravo Sandwich  Cal. 720, Fat 43, Sodium 1900 mg.

McDonald's

Big Mac  Cal. 540, Fat 28
Quarter Pounder w/cheese  Cal. 530, Fat 27
Double Quarter Pounder w/cheese  Cal. 770, Fat 45
McDouble(my fav.)  Cal. 380, Fat 18

While I love getting the full meals with fries, I try to just get the sandwich.  We all have choices to make (although the government wants to make them for us...)

My choice is to have a McDouble along with two apple pies  :thumb: from time to time.

Regards,

Randy

 
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: 2bigears on 20 Dec 2016, 03:31 pm
 :D. wrong .  Wrong ,,, Wrong.   There are BAD FOODS.  and we eat way too much of them.
        Factory processed food is generally very bad.   Sugar , fat and salted to the moon.
           And if you eat too much of this boxed food,  guess what ?  Your health will go downhill.
       MacD's burger once in a while is fine.  Skip fries and pop.   Moderation in ANYTHING is key.  :D
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: ctviggen on 20 Dec 2016, 04:07 pm
There are no bad foods, only bad diets. Eat too much of anything and you have a bad diet. (Too much of one thing means you're either not eating other things you should eat or you're over eating)

One of my favorite meals is 2 cheeseburgers, fries and a coke at McDonalds. I have that maybe 3 or 4 times a year. That's pretty much the only fast food I eat, except for when I am on a road trip or something like that.
Can't disagree with this. I believe the best way to deal with nutrition is to eat a wide variety of foods, lots of fruit, veggies, and lean meats, drink water. Eat food - If it has a list of ingredients on the side, to me it's probably not food. Bananas, Yogurt, Pork loin...stuff like that don't have a list of ingredients. Peanut butter = Peanuts. You get the idea. Don't get caught up in special diets, or drinking green tea because it's better for you...that stuff really shouldn't matter if you eat food.

Just my 2 cents

I don't eat fruits, except berries in season.  Fruits make my blood sugar go through the roof and contain fructose, which is uniquely fattening and contributes to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. 

I eat some vegetables, but there are NO randomized controlled trials I know of indicating benefits for vegetables.  For instance, in the Women's Health Initiative, dietary intervention trial, an actual randomized controlled trial (RCT) with 49,000 women, the group under test ate more fruits and vegetables, less overall fat, less saturated fat, less EVIL red meat, less calories overall.  At the end of 8 years and 400+ MILLION dollars, the result was a failure.  There were no statistically significant differences between the two groups, the group under test and the control group. NONE.  If all of those things -- the very things we're told to eat -- don't help in the BEST and most expensive RCT ever performed, why would anyone think they would?

I do not EVER eat lean meats.  I eat the fattiest meat I can find.  If the meat isn't fatty enough, I add butter from grass fed cows to it or I add guacamole or home-made mayo.  I eat goose, duck, beef, pork, chicken, fatty fish.  I boil down the fat from goose, duck, beef, and pork and keep it as fat for cooking. I eat the offal and particularly liver of the animal. 

I try to eat as much fat per day, particularly animal fat, as I can.   I aim for meats and meat products that are at least 80% fat by calories. 

Why do I do this? Because I've lost 55 pounds doing it and feel great. I have no 3pm sleepies, clear skin, unbelievable energy (never fatigued even while working out), no allergies (used to take many allergy pills, now none), no GERD, no asthma -- it's completely gone, less tinnitus, you name it. 

Furthermore, when I was on a low fat diet, I ate "real food" like brown rice and beans, oats, etc.  Back then I ate pasta, which I guess has an ingredients list.  All of that caused horrible mood swings, terrible depression, GERD, allergies, etc.  Some of us are not genetically gifted to handle high carb intakes, and I'm one of those.  You may not be. 
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Charles Calkins on 20 Dec 2016, 04:22 pm
I think Charlie is pretty well off, having eaten there only once in the last 85 years.  :wink:

Glad you enjoyed the Big Mac and fries, Charlie. Next time, don't forget the chocolate shake.  :thumb:

Have fun,

Jerry
   Jerry:

     A chocolate shake is another thing I never had or eaten.
        During the hot summer on my way home I'll sometimes stop at Jack in the Box
        and get a Strawberry shake. Tastes pretty good. I think they use real ice cream.


                                                      Cheers
                                                     Charlie
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Wayner on 20 Dec 2016, 04:34 pm
I don't eat fruits, except berries in season.  Fruits make my blood sugar go through the roof and contain fructose, which is uniquely fattening and contributes to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. 

I eat some vegetables, but there are NO randomized controlled trials I know of indicating benefits for vegetables.  For instance, in the Women's Health Initiative, dietary intervention trial, an actual randomized controlled trial (RCT) with 49,000 women, the group under test ate more fruits and vegetables, less overall fat, less saturated fat, less EVIL red meat, less calories overall.  At the end of 8 years and 400+ MILLION dollars, the result was a failure.  There were no statistically significant differences between the two groups, the group under test and the control group. NONE.  If all of those things -- the very things we're told to eat -- don't help in the BEST and most expensive RCT ever performed, why would anyone think they would?

I do not EVER eat lean meats.  I eat the fattiest meat I can find.  If the meat isn't fatty enough, I add butter from grass fed cows to it or I add guacamole or home-made mayo.  I eat goose, duck, beef, pork, chicken, fatty fish.  I boil down the fat from goose, duck, beef, and pork and keep it as fat for cooking. I eat the offal and particularly liver of the animal. 

I try to eat as much fat per day, particularly animal fat, as I can.   I aim for meats and meat products that are at least 80% fat by calories. 

Why do I do this? Because I've lost 55 pounds doing it and feel great. I have no 3pm sleepies, clear skin, unbelievable energy (never fatigued even while working out), no allergies (used to take many allergy pills, now none), no GERD, no asthma -- it's completely gone, less tinnitus, you name it. 

Furthermore, when I was on a low fat diet, I ate "real food" like brown rice and beans, oats, etc.  Back then I ate pasta, which I guess has an ingredients list.  All of that caused horrible mood swings, terrible depression, GERD, allergies, etc.  Some of us are not genetically gifted to handle high carb intakes, and I'm one of those.  You may not be.

Very good!

The human body is pretty awesome. You can literally put junk into it and it will take the "building blocks" that it needs and discard the rest. It uses these building block to reassemble into various compounds the body needs to rebuild cells and maintain the system.

People that consume 5,000+ calories a day can have problems. Unless you live in the arctic, work outside all day from sun up to sun down, you probably don't need much more then 2,500 calories per day. Varying the diet ensures that the body gets all the building blocks that it needs. I'm pretty much with ctviggen in this regard.

'ner
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: twitch54 on 20 Dec 2016, 07:55 pm
Shame on you boys, for those of us in 'the know' realize there is but one top notch fast food joint ........'Chick-Fil-A' ......everything else is second place !
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: thunderbrick on 20 Dec 2016, 08:30 pm
Shame on you boys, for those of us in 'the know' realize there is but one top notch fast food joint ........'Chick-Fil-A' ......everything else is second place !

Meh.  Booooooooring!! :thumbdown:

Though it is my wife's favorite....
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Wind Chaser on 20 Dec 2016, 08:37 pm
Meh.  Booooooooring!! :thumbdown:

I hope the Warden didn't hear that.  :lol:
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: twitch54 on 20 Dec 2016, 09:00 pm
Meh.  Booooooooring!! :thumbdown:

Though it is my wife's favorite....

Well...........at least your wife has good taste ....... in food that is !!
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Wayner on 20 Dec 2016, 09:09 pm
Ha!
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: OzarkTom on 20 Dec 2016, 10:30 pm
Yum!

What Taco Bell And McDonald's Meals Look Like After 2 Years Of Just Sitting There

http://www.businessinsider.com/fast-food-doesnt-rot-after-2-years-2015-1
Title: Re: McDonalds
Post by: Wind Chaser on 20 Dec 2016, 10:32 pm
Yum!

What Taco Bell And McDonald's Meals Look Like After 2 Years Of Just Sitting There

http://www.businessinsider.com/fast-food-doesnt-rot-after-2-years-2015-1

Ah, the secret to immortality. You are what you eat.