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Title: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Pez on 7 Oct 2015, 08:22 pm
Wow it's been a crazy time. We went from complete unknowns to 'slightly knowns' by some and it only took 10 years! I have enjoyed doing coverage. It's been a pain in the ass, a learning experience and one of the most incredible things I get to do every year. I've made a ton of new friends along both inside and outside of the industry and my friendship with Tyson has grown immensely as well. Just the coolest thing to go around arguing and laughing with that guy. Tyson you are the man! We kicked ass buddy and I’m proud to have done it with you!

We started doing this because we HATED the way these shows were covered... What I hate in the industry are reviewers who go out of their way to prove their credentials. Golden earred pricks with business cards and advertisers. They may have near ideal hearing and a thesaurus full of superlatives at their disposal for all their favorite gear, but their advertising and bought/paid late night dinners with the Wilson rep lack something, clear conscious based honesty. No one had 'outsider' perspective. That's what I feel we brought to the table and hopefully changed forever!

As far as the show itself. I do feel like we've left a lasting impact on the way coverage is done. Prior to us all you saw were online rags and old school mags posting show coverage several weeks after it all happened. And the content was very bland. 'here's the new dynaco 745 model speaker with MTM configuration. the box was built to minimize cabinet resonance and is made with a proprietary composite of blah blah blah it sells for $42,000. It sounds wonderful'. They're tethered by their advertisers and of course corrupted by it as well. No one was 'shooting from the lip' and giving honest opinions. It was funny, vendors didn't know how to handle us. We were lashed out at, called amateurs, biased etc etc etc. And most of the industry dismissed us. Now many of them have taken advice from us on occasion. That’s pretty amazing.

I appreciate all the support through the years and really feel the love (sometimes hate, fair enough!!!) of this community. I hope we have ushered in an era of guys with laptops and a cameras pissing people off in ways we hadn’t even thought of yet! Because dammit! This industry has survived too long on backdoor deals and shady press!!!! Go get em guys.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 7 Oct 2015, 08:23 pm
Oh man, what a wild and crazy ride it’s been.  10 years since my first RMAF, I remember how starry eyed I was back in the beginning.  I said to Jason those first couple of years “Man, can you believe it!  This show is AWESOME, they have like all the Wilson gear and a bunch of Dynaudio top of the line speakers!!  Holy crap, Denver has ARRIVED!”  Hahaha.  My my, how times have changed.  Oh, RMAF still has all that stuff, but it gives me literally zero excitement.  What does get me excited are the smaller guys, the nimble companies, the guys with a great idea and the passion and perseverance to see that vision come to life.  If I had not had the experience of meeting these people, of going to these shows, of seeing and hearing the best that was possible in our industry, my life would have been much poorer for it. 

And of course the people we’ve met along the way have enriched our lives in their own right.  Fellow hobbyists as well as passionate manufacturers.  Laura, Rim, Klaus, Lou, oh shit I’m gonna stop there or I’ll have a massive paragraph of just the names of the people!  But you know who you are – prowling the halls of RMAF with us, or prowling our ridiculous show coverage threads with our preposterous opinions.  Thank you all and I am so glad to have shared this time with you. 

Last but not least, Jason (Pez), who is my best friend and fellow nerdinator.  I could not and would not have done any of this without you.  Thank you for always being there, supporting me when I needed it, and pushing me when I needed a kick in the pants.  Every single show we got better at this whole thing largely because of you.  We are certainly at the top of our game right now and it’s a tremendous way to go out.  For that, and for everything else that I won’t bring up here, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Pez on 7 Oct 2015, 08:27 pm
Unfinished notes I didn't know how to fit in but I feel still need to be said:


I have heard a constant barrage through the years about my 'bias' and why I'm not 'qualified' to make observations. And never once has anyone asked me 'what makes you qualified?' Not a single damn time. I have a Minor in music, build my own gear, my own listening room, 20 years of being an enthusiast, much of that time working professionally installing audio/video gear in people's homes, etc etc etc. I have worked my entire adult life (from the age of 15 to 35) pursuing this passion.

But nope, I'm biased because REASONS!!!! and only when the gear I reviewed was a negative review! Never was I questioned for a positive one!
_________________

When we first started these shows room treatments were rare, voodoo bullshit was abound and plentiful. Our painstaking bitch slapping of these behaviors has changed the way things are done, and that is awesome!

__________________

Going to these shows I have heard numerous times from industry insiders that the name of the game with online mags and old school mags is the same; buy ads, get noticed, rinse wash and repeat. Failure to do so means the spot light is given to someone who is willing to.

__________________

Anyone who argues how unbiased they are OR those who are actually trying to be unbiased are kidding themselves. Saying someone is unbiased is just as absurd as saying they are perfect.

________________
 :lol: :lol: :lol:
So take all of that, whoever!!!

Sorry guys, it's just been really hard to fit all of this stuff in a coherent string of thought.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Zero on 7 Oct 2015, 08:34 pm
Andddd kiss each other...

Just kidding boys (though I wouldn't be surprised)..   I think I speak for a lot of people when I say - thanks -.   It's been a real pleasure gentlemen.  You two jackasses changed the RMAF show coverage game and we're all the better for it.  At the end of the day, all good things must come to an end.  Thanks for all of your time and hard work.  :) 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Peter J on 7 Oct 2015, 08:41 pm
You know, I've followed y'all through the years and admired your chutzpah. Perhaps you did change the future...




I want to say one thing to Pez, though. Your avatar weirds me out.



 So there!
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Vapor Audio on 7 Oct 2015, 08:41 pm
Andddd kiss each other...

Yeah, get a room!  I think I threw up in my mouth a little  :lol:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Vapor Audio on 7 Oct 2015, 08:50 pm
Wow it's been a crazy time. We went from complete unknowns to 'slightly knowns' by some and it only took 10 years! I have enjoyed doing coverage. It's been a pain in the ass, a learning experience and one of the most incredible things I get to do every year. I've made a ton of new friends along both inside and outside of the industry and my friendship with Tyson has grown immensely as well. Just the coolest thing to go around arguing and laughing with that guy. Tyson you are the man! We kicked ass buddy and I’m proud to have done it with you!

We started doing this because we HATED the way these shows were covered... What I hate in the industry are reviewers who go out of their way to prove their credentials. Golden earred pricks with business cards and advertisers. They may have near ideal hearing and a thesaurus full of superlatives at their disposal for all their favorite gear, but their advertising and bought/paid late night dinners with the Wilson rep lack something, clear conscious based honesty. No one had 'outsider' perspective. That's what I feel we brought to the table and hopefully changed forever!

As far as the show itself. I do feel like we've left a lasting impact on the way coverage is done. Prior to us all you saw were online rags and old school mags posting show coverage several weeks after it all happened. And the content was very bland. 'here's the new dynaco 745 model speaker with MTM configuration. the box was built to minimize cabinet resonance and is made with a proprietary composite of blah blah blah it sells for $42,000. It sounds wonderful'. They're tethered by their advertisers and of course corrupted by it as well. No one was 'shooting from the lip' and giving honest opinions. It was funny, vendors didn't know how to handle us. We were lashed out at, called amateurs, biased etc etc etc. And most of the industry dismissed us. Now many of them have taken advice from us on occasion. That’s pretty amazing.

I appreciate all the support through the years and really feel the love (sometimes hate, fair enough!!!) of this community. I hope we have ushered in an era of guys with laptops and a cameras pissing people off in ways we hadn’t even thought of yet! Because dammit! This industry has survived too long on backdoor deals and shady press!!!! Go get em guys.

I was originally just going to quote this for truth:

Quote
This industry has survived too long on backdoor deals and shady press

But after reading again, the entire post deserves a QFT.  Incestuous is unfortunately, the word that best fits the industry. 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: standub on 7 Oct 2015, 10:16 pm
Thank you guys for the coverage you have my gratitude, even if I think your ears don't work some times.  :P

And on this last note
When we first started these shows room treatments were rare, voodoo bullshit was abound and plentiful. Our painstaking bitch slapping of these behaviors has changed the way things are done, and that is awesome!

I see you didn't hit up the Magico room :green: :green: :green:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: vinyl_lady on 7 Oct 2015, 11:05 pm
Tyson and Jason,

you guys ROCK :rock: Thanks for covering the show the RIGHT way. :thumb:

My favorite part of RMAF is spending time with you guys, Lou, Dan, Klaus, Alex, Rim, Scott, Marjorie, and the other friends I have met over the past 11 years.

Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Don_S on 7 Oct 2015, 11:30 pm
I want to say one thing to Pez, though. Your avatar weirds me out.

 So there!

And your avatar is............alien or nuclear-morphed insects?  :o  :lol:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: rascal on 8 Oct 2015, 12:08 am


We started doing this because we HATED the way these shows were covered... What I hate in the industry are reviewers who go out of their way to prove their credentials. Golden earred pricks with business cards and advertisers. They may have near ideal hearing and a thesaurus full of superlatives at their disposal for all their favorite gear, but their advertising and bought/paid late night dinners with the Wilson rep lack something, clear conscious based honesty. No one had 'outsider' perspective. That's what I feel we brought to the table and hopefully changed forever!

As far as the show itself. I do feel like we've left a lasting impact on the way coverage is done. Prior to us all you saw were online rags and old school mags posting show coverage several weeks after it all happened. And the content was very bland. 'here's the new dynaco 745 model speaker with MTM configuration. the box was built to minimize cabinet resonance and is made with a proprietary composite of blah blah blah it sells for $42,000. It sounds wonderful'. They're tethered by their advertisers and of course corrupted by it as well. No one was 'shooting from the lip' and giving honest opinions. It was funny, vendors didn't know how to handle us. We were lashed out at, called amateurs, biased etc etc etc. And most of the industry dismissed us. Now many of them have taken advice from us on occasion. That’s pretty amazing.

I appreciate all the support through the years and really feel the love (sometimes hate, fair enough!!!) of this community. I hope we have ushered in an era of guys with laptops and a cameras pissing people off in ways we hadn’t even thought of yet! Because dammit! This industry has survived too long on backdoor deals and shady press!!!! Go get em guys.

I am sorry there were online reviews and feedback from end users long before you started posting.  Please don't claim to invent- this is laughable.  :o

Also speaking of industry affiliations- I find it hypocritical of folks here in AC (and A'gon too) do not reveal their association with companies or gear (either to provide feedback or reviews or to check products beforehand) and without disclosure  make comments on the products. You know who you are  8) Pretty distasteful IMHO to impugn integrity of other reviewers :roll:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: dB Cooper on 8 Oct 2015, 12:17 am
And sorry for my defensive response in another thread. I despair of these shows and of the industry, and hobby, in general. 'Audiophile' used to refer to a person who was interested in the reproduction of sound- how it works, how it can be improved, and how well you can do it given what you have to spend. Now it connotes conspicuous consumption and ridiculously overpriced 'tweaks'. As I mentioned elsewhere, a short passage from Vincent Belanger's cello, live at RMAF, put the lie to all the claims of 'you are there' realism. All of this is why people roll their eyes when they hear the term 'audiophile', and it is driving people away, not drawing them in. If people think they have to spend a thousand dollars on a power cord, as a price of admission to good sound, you've lost them. I don't know how many more times I want to go see fifty rooms of equipment I would never ever buy. About the only way to get truly top class sound without spending five (or six in many cases) figures is with headphones. That's too bad. In many ways, it is, as Alan Parsons put it, a situation in which:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129248)
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: jriggy on 8 Oct 2015, 12:29 am
Agreed with seeming on top of your game, guys! And maybe the relaxed and mainly positive vibe in your coverage this year was due you guys knowing it was your last? 
Regardless, it was a great read this year!
I have only been around here for 6 years (wow, time flies!) and only remember your coverage of RMAF maybe 4 or 5 times... After a couple I remember thinking, about Pez, who is this guy that does this coverage and then disappears from AC for the rest of they year?
SO, don't disappear! Spread your qualifications to the forum! :wink:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: JerryM on 8 Oct 2015, 12:32 am
Tyson and Jason,

you guys ROCK :rock: Thanks for covering the show the RIGHT way. :thumb:

I agree. You guys kick ass!!! :thumb:

Thanks for all of the great coverage over the years, the laughs, and all of your hard work. Your reports will be sorely missed.

Have fun,

Jerry
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Pez on 8 Oct 2015, 12:55 am
I am sorry there were online reviews and feedback from end users long before you started posting.  Please don't claim to invent- this is laughable.  :o


WTF are you talking about? Did I say I invented shit??? I said no one was doing live show coverage and on the spot reviews. I didn't invent either one, but no one else was doing it so... Any way as I said, haters gonna hate. What's really laughable is how quickly you went from enjoying my coverage to being a douche. That's gotta be some kind of hypocrisy world record.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Pez on 8 Oct 2015, 01:00 am
Agreed with seeming on top of your game, guys! And maybe the relaxed and mainly positive vibe in your coverage this year was due you guys knowing it was your last? 
Regardless, it was a great read this year!
I have only been around here for 6 years (wow, time flies!) and only remember your coverage of RMAF maybe 4 or 5 times... After a couple I remember thinking, about Pez, who is this guy that does this coverage and then disappears from AC for the rest of they year?
SO, don't disappear! Spread your qualifications to the forum! :wink:

I know, I'm terrible. I have been here for ages. I guess I just got to the point where I personally didn't find a lot of value in being here. Not because this place isn't AWESOME which it is, but because I'm rocking pretty damn near what I consider audio nirvana in the last few years. I used to post all the time! I would come here to find new gear and learn about new stuff. Now I know enough that the consumption/contribution portion of my musical quest is at the end game. Going to the show year after year has also drastically tamed my lust for 'the best' because I know its not just a subjective idea, but an ever moving goal post. I will visit more because I know I'm missing major stuff! But I doubt it will ever be like it was 6-7 years ago.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: konut on 8 Oct 2015, 01:03 am
SO THAT'S IT? Just when you're getting good at it, you're going to hang it up? Three days. THREE DAYS! is all we ask of you to bring us the most E . N. T. E. R. T. A. I. N. I. N. G. coverage of a premiere audio event out of a whole years worth of , usually, incestuous glad-handing reportage and you lazy bums can't work up enough gumption to  see this thing through until they have to pry the laptops from your cold, dead hands? No work ethic, I say. Thanks guys, thanks a lot. 







No, really, from the heart of my bottom THANK YOU!   :thumb:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: rascal on 8 Oct 2015, 01:06 am
WTF are you talking about? Did I say I invented shit??? I said no one was doing live show coverage and on the spot reviews. I didn't invent either one, but no one else was doing it so... Any way as I said, haters gonna hate. What's really laughable is how quickly you went from enjoying my coverage to being a douche. That's gotta be some kind of hypocrisy world record.

Your EQ is showing up  :lol:. I enjoyed your coverage and still state that I did. However for you I became a douche bcoz I was critical of your post? Wow

You claiming (again) that no one was doing live show coverage- is laughable.  And not disclosing your engagement with some of equipment early on (may be tips, non-monetary consulting, evaluation, whatever) is also hypocritical when you criticize other reviewers who do the same with Ads or $$ involved :-)
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: AJinFLA on 8 Oct 2015, 01:08 am
Thanks for the coverage, good luck with the bromance.

cheers,

AJ
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 8 Oct 2015, 01:35 am
Andddd kiss each other...

Just kidding boys (though I wouldn't be surprised)..   I think I speak for a lot of people when I say - thanks -.   It's been a real pleasure gentlemen.  You two jackasses changed the RMAF show coverage game and we're all the better for it.  At the end of the day, all good things must come to an end.  Thanks for all of your time and hard work.  :) 


Haha, Jason and I don't roll that way.  Not that there's anything wrong with that  :wink:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 8 Oct 2015, 01:42 am
Your EQ is showing up  :lol:. I enjoyed your coverage and still state that I did. However for you I became a douche bcoz I was critical of your post? Wow

You claiming (again) that no one was doing live show coverage- is laughable.  And not disclosing your engagement with some of equipment early on (may be tips, non-monetary consulting, evaluation, whatever) is also hypocritical when you criticize other reviewers who do the same with Ads or $$ involved :-)

We've never taken money or tips or ANYTHING from ANYONE.  Or engaged in "consulting" or whatever the hell you mean.  People like you are the exact reason I'm fed up with this hobby and this forum.  Fuck off.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Bemopti123 on 8 Oct 2015, 01:43 am
Wow it's been a crazy time. We went from complete unknowns to 'slightly knowns' by some and it only took 10 years! I have enjoyed doing coverage. It's been a pain in the ass, a learning experience and one of the most incredible things I get to do every year. I've made a ton of new friends along both inside and outside of the industry and my friendship with Tyson has grown immensely as well. Just the coolest thing to go around arguing and laughing with that guy. Tyson you are the man! We kicked ass buddy and I’m proud to have done it with you!

We started doing this because we HATED the way these shows were covered... What I hate in the industry are reviewers who go out of their way to prove their credentials. Golden earred pricks with business cards and advertisers. They may have near ideal hearing and a thesaurus full of superlatives at their disposal for all their favorite gear, but their advertising and bought/paid late night dinners with the Wilson rep lack something, clear conscious based honesty. No one had 'outsider' perspective. That's what I feel we brought to the table and hopefully changed forever!

As far as the show itself. I do feel like we've left a lasting impact on the way coverage is done. Prior to us all you saw were online rags and old school mags posting show coverage several weeks after it all happened. And the content was very bland. 'here's the new dynaco 745 model speaker with MTM configuration. the box was built to minimize cabinet resonance and is made with a proprietary composite of blah blah blah it sells for $42,000. It sounds wonderful'. They're tethered by their advertisers and of course corrupted by it as well. No one was 'shooting from the lip' and giving honest opinions. It was funny, vendors didn't know how to handle us. We were lashed out at, called amateurs, biased etc etc etc. And most of the industry dismissed us. Now many of them have taken advice from us on occasion. That’s pretty amazing.

I appreciate all the support through the years and really feel the love (sometimes hate, fair enough!!!) of this community. I hope we have ushered in an era of guys with laptops and a cameras pissing people off in ways we hadn’t even thought of yet! Because dammit! This industry has survived too long on backdoor deals and shady press!!!! Go get em guys.

Your contributions as a team for nearly a decade simply show your love for this thing we call audiophilia.  Do not let others contaminate your view of what is right and appropriate.  It is always great to hear from regular people and their experiences in audio shows rather than those suave industry insiders that report and write reports with sweet but tainted words, words sweetened by the back deals that come with the entire audio business.  The only people I can respect are those that are willing to pay out of their pocket in order to share what impressed them or not.  Thank you both.

Thank you and 

Rock on.   :thumb:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 8 Oct 2015, 01:45 am
You know, I've followed y'all through the years and admired your chutzpah. Perhaps you did change the future...


.......because if a machine, a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: rascal on 8 Oct 2015, 01:47 am
We've never taken money or tips or ANYTHING from ANYONE.  Or engaged in "consulting" or whatever the hell you mean.  People like you are the exact reason I'm fed up with this hobby and this forum.  Fuck off.

Tyson- again where did I say you TOOK money  :nono:- you seem to remind me of Fox News/MSNBC cable channel folks who play the victim and  put unsaid words/meaning into one's mouth. Shame on you bro for playing that tactic.

Please re-read- many folks have gotten products for evaluation and giving feedback. Nothing wrong with that- but honesty is about providing disclosure. The Mags reviewers do that for $$/Ad revenue and they don't disclose either (Some Ezines like 6moons are very transparent about it).  But disclosure is key.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 8 Oct 2015, 01:48 am
Tyson and Jason,

you guys ROCK :rock: Thanks for covering the show the RIGHT way. :thumb:

My favorite part of RMAF is spending time with you guys, Lou, Dan, Klaus, Rim, Scott, Marjorie, and the other friends I have met over the past 11 years.

Here! Here!  I feel exactly the same, Laura  :thumb:  And thank you! 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 8 Oct 2015, 01:50 am
Tyson- again where did I say you TOOK money  :nono:- you seem to remind me of Fox News/MSNBC cable channel folks who play the victim and  put unsaid words/meaning into one's mouth. Shame on you bro for playing that tactic.

Please re-read- many folks have gotten products for evaluation and giving feedback. Nothing wrong with that- but honesty is about providing disclosure. The Mags reviewers do that for $$/Ad revenue and they don't disclose either (Some Ezines like 6moons are very transparent about it).  But disclosure is key.

I have never received any product from anyone.  WTF are you even talking about?  So once again.... FUCK OFF!
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: rascal on 8 Oct 2015, 01:56 am

Again I was not talking about you Tyson-...I never quoted you on my first post on this thread -this circle is not always about you  :lol: Profanity is not my thing for rational discussion or post or argument.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 8 Oct 2015, 01:59 am
Again I was not talking about you Tyson-...I never quoted you on my first post on this thread -this circle is not always about you  :lol: Profanity is not my thing for rational discussion or post or argument.

Sorry, you are still a dick.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Pez on 8 Oct 2015, 01:59 am
Can you just stop? I don't really want to discuss anything with you. You're over use of smilies while being a dickwad is off putting enough. Just start your own topic somewhere else.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 8 Oct 2015, 02:01 am
I am sorry there were online reviews and feedback from end users long before you started posting.  Please don't claim to invent- this is laughable.  :o

Also speaking of industry affiliations- I find it hypocritical of folks here in AC (and A'gon too) do not reveal their association with companies or gear (either to provide feedback or reviews or to check products beforehand) and without disclosure  make comments on the products. You know who you are  8) Pretty distasteful IMHO to impugn integrity of other reviewers :roll:

You are posting this in OUR THREAD.  WTF do you mean if you aren't accusing us of this in an underhanded manner?  Hence my assertion that you are a dick.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Berto on 8 Oct 2015, 02:02 am
back to a more friendly atmosphere...it was awesome meeting Jason and Tyson at RMAF. I met them at Lous cocktail party and we shared some good laughs. Def look fwd to hangin with you guys again. Your DEMO CD I played on Sunday, blew me away and I was glad you guys shared that same sentiment. 

Typical reviewers hear random recordings from room to room. Your simple formula of having a frame of reference makes all the difference in the world . I applaud your style , hard work and just being kool guys to hang with :thumb:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 8 Oct 2015, 02:06 am
back to a more friendly atmosphere...it was awesome meeting Jason and Tyson at RMAF. I met them at Lous cocktail party and we shared some good laughs. Def look fwd to hangin with you guys again. Your DEMO CD I played on Sunday, blew me away and I was glad you guys shared that same sentiment. 

Typical reviewers hear random recordings from room to room. Your simple formula of having a frame of reference makes all the difference in the world . I applaud your style , hard work and just being kool guys to hang with :thumb:

Thanks man!  We didn't start that way, we originally just went and listened to whatever the vendors happened to be playing and trying to figure out what SQ was like.  Then we brought whole CD's and tried to get them to play a cd or 2 or 3, but that was pretty inconsiderate and took a lot of time.  Finally we hit on the idea of splicing together a bunch of disparate songs and ta-da, here we are :)
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Vapor Audio on 8 Oct 2015, 02:06 am
(Some Ezines like 6moons are very transparent about it). 

6moons and transparency in the same sentence, that's a good one! 

Whether you like T&P or not, their integrity cannot be questioned.  Numerous times they've turned down the opportunity to make money doing their thing just so they can stay untethered by financial considerations.  And I've been going to RMAF since 2008, they DID create the standard of live show reporting. 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Guy 13 on 8 Oct 2015, 02:12 am
Hi all,
I've only been the Montreal audio show one time at Place Bonaventure
and did not really like it.
Since I cannot afford to go to the BIG USA (RMAF) shows
I rely only guys like you (Unbias)
and and I must say that you did a fine - great job
and your report - posts is as good as being there.
(What I like the most, is the amount of pictures...)
Thanks a lot.  :thumb:

Guy 13

Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: vortrex on 8 Oct 2015, 02:13 am
Thankfully these will be your FINAL thoughts.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Folsom on 8 Oct 2015, 02:16 am
rascal you're so negative, it gets old. It doesn't feel constructive, like, ever.




I've got to say though, I'm sorta pissed at Tyson and Pez... because they're the ones I want to do coverage when I eventually make it RMAF with stuff in the show!
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Pez on 8 Oct 2015, 02:16 am
Thankfully these will be your FINAL thoughts.

We are being put to sleep tomorrow.  :(
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: AmpDesigner333 on 8 Oct 2015, 02:19 am
Wishing this "rascal" character will go away soon.

Let's get back to the matter at hand....

COVERAGE: simply #1. I do believe they have a UNIQUE and INNOVATIVE approach. I really appreciate the cut-the-BS attitude - They tell it like it is. To the manufacturers that "buy their way in", or deceive their customers, or just simply gouge, may there always be a Pez or Tyson to let audiophiles know what they're really getting for their investment.  I'm pretty sure 90%+ of TRUE audiophiles don't want to pay for massive marketing campaigns and the like.

NEXT YEAR: you guys will at least do 2016.  I'm confident.  Like the star of an NFL team, you need that "fans wouldn't let me leave" year.  Then leave on an even higher note.  Seinfeld fans will know what I'm talking about.

Thanks as always.

-Tommy O
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: paul79 on 8 Oct 2015, 02:25 am
Thankfully these will be your FINAL thoughts.

And is this YOUR final thought?? 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Folsom on 8 Oct 2015, 02:30 am
I dunno know Tommy, I thought they did a wider coverage last year and had a final awards thread. They might be as over it as a lot of the patronage happens to be.

My one discrepancy with the attitude is that all big companies are bad. As a "small time innovator" type person I have to point out that something these tiny operation aren't able to do is employee a bunch of people, and employee them well. The rash of newer companies may not survive forever because they operate so narrowly to survive. I don't want to get way off track, but in some ways I think that attitude can be a little off putting. That said one always wants to see more innovation and the people with nothing often are out to show it!
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tomy2Tone on 8 Oct 2015, 02:40 am

NEXT YEAR: you guys will at least do 2016.  I'm confident.  Like the star of an NFL team, you need that "fans wouldn't let me leave" year.  Then leave on an even higher note.  Seinfeld fans will know what I'm talking about.


I think they're going to pull a James Brown and pretend like it's over and then come back for one mo, and then another.... :)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0n62J9-WP1A
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 8 Oct 2015, 02:41 am
I dunno know Tommy, I thought they did a wider coverage last year and had a final awards thread. They might be as over it as a lot of the patronage happens to be.

My one discrepancy with the attitude is that all big companies are bad. As a "small time innovator" type person I have to point out that something these tiny operation aren't able to do is employee a bunch of people, and employee them well. The rash of newer companies may not survive forever because they operate so narrowly to survive. I don't want to get way off track, but in some ways I think that attitude can be a little off putting. That said one always wants to see more innovation and the people with nothing often are out to show it!
The problem, as I see it, is that everything is set up to cater to the big companies anyway, so us giving them review time at the show is a waste.  We have 3 days to see/hear interesting things, and people carp that we don't hit Magico or VTL or Wilson or whatever?  Really?  If you want to see coverage of those rooms, you know what you can do?  Read EVERY OTHER show coverage out there.  Why in the world would we ever use our time to cover bigger companies? 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: JerryM on 8 Oct 2015, 02:46 am
The problem, as I see it, is that everything is set up to cater to the big companies anyway, so us giving them review time at the show is a waste.  We have 3 days to see/hear interesting things, and people carp that we don't hit Magico or VTL or Wilson or whatever?  Really?  If you want to see coverage of those rooms, you know what you can do?  Read EVERY OTHER show coverage out there.  Why in the world would we ever use our time to cover bigger companies?

And that is exactly why you guys kick ass; because you know that.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 8 Oct 2015, 02:50 am
And that is exactly why you guys kick ass; because you know that.

Thanks Jerry!  I hope someone picks up the flag and carries it forward. 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: dmwoods on 8 Oct 2015, 02:57 am
Pez and Tyson:

Your few misguided detractors have prompted me to come out of the woodwork to thank you for your contributions all these years.  I am not in the industry and do not seek out blogs to vent and draw attention to myself.  Listening to music is a simple pleasure that has added immensely to my quality of life, as has reading about the experiences of others who share this pursuit.  It was probably 4-5 years ago when I first encountered your musings on RMAF.  So fresh, so irreverent, so informative and so entertaining!  I will greatly miss this rite of fall.

I especially appreciate your willingness to highlight some of the lesser known manufacturers while never failing to point out the shortcomings of the mega-brands.  Partially because of your coverage I have purchased equipment from some of these smaller companies and the quality of my listening experience has benefitted greatly.

Best of wishes in your future endeavors.

 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Folsom on 8 Oct 2015, 03:26 am
The problem, as I see it, is that everything is set up to cater to the big companies anyway, so us giving them review time at the show is a waste.  We have 3 days to see/hear interesting things, and people carp that we don't hit Magico or VTL or Wilson or whatever?  Really?  If you want to see coverage of those rooms, you know what you can do?  Read EVERY OTHER show coverage out there.  Why in the world would we ever use our time to cover bigger companies?

Tyson you entirely misunderstand my comment because I'm very glad you review whom you do. I just meant that sometimes the attitude of opposition to them gets a bit rough, while praising mini-operations. This has nothing to do with desire for coverage or how you cover.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: AmpDesigner333 on 8 Oct 2015, 03:57 am
I dunno know Tommy, I thought they did a wider coverage last year and had a final awards thread. They might be as over it as a lot of the patronage happens to be.

My one discrepancy with the attitude is that all big companies are bad. As a "small time innovator" type person I have to point out that something these tiny operation aren't able to do is employee a bunch of people, and employee them well. The rash of newer companies may not survive forever because they operate so narrowly to survive. I don't want to get way off track, but in some ways I think that attitude can be a little off putting. That said one always wants to see more innovation and the people with nothing often are out to show it!

The unethical stuff is what bothers me.

Big companies can certainly innovate and you are correct about employing a bunch of people.  The ratio of engineers to "other" (such as marketing personnel) is a kind of quality factor, or maybe how much money is spent on R&D versus everything else.

There's also something to be said for putting your heart and soul into something you love as opposed to just another money making scheme, big or small. There are plenty of small companies with obscene margins, too, and your point is well taken.

It's like that fake hair commercial....  "I'm also a client"  (hobbiest/enthusiast)
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 8 Oct 2015, 03:58 am
Pez and Tyson:

Your few misguided detractors have prompted me to come out of the woodwork to thank you for your contributions all these years.  I am not in the industry and do not seek out blogs to vent and draw attention to myself.  Listening to music is a simple pleasure that has added immensely to my quality of life, as has reading about the experiences of others who share this pursuit.  It was probably 4-5 years ago when I first encountered your musings on RMAF.  So fresh, so irreverent, so informative and so entertaining!  I will greatly miss this rite of fall.

I especially appreciate your willingness to highlight some of the lesser known manufacturers while never failing to point out the shortcomings of the mega-brands.  Partially because of your coverage I have purchased equipment from some of these smaller companies and the quality of my listening experience has benefitted greatly.

Best of wishes in your future endeavors.


Man, you just made my day - thank you so much! 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: AmpDesigner333 on 8 Oct 2015, 04:09 am
Pez and Tyson:

Your few misguided detractors have prompted me to come out of the woodwork to thank you for your contributions all these years.  I am not in the industry and do not seek out blogs to vent and draw attention to myself.  Listening to music is a simple pleasure that has added immensely to my quality of life, as has reading about the experiences of others who share this pursuit.  It was probably 4-5 years ago when I first encountered your musings on RMAF.  So fresh, so irreverent, so informative and so entertaining!  I will greatly miss this rite of fall.

I especially appreciate your willingness to highlight some of the lesser known manufacturers while never failing to point out the shortcomings of the mega-brands.  Partially because of your coverage I have purchased equipment from some of these smaller companies and the quality of my listening experience has benefitted greatly.

Best of wishes in your future endeavors.
Absolutely!  I wish more people would join us.  Maybe not as audiophiles, but as people who sit down, take time away from their busy lives, and just listen to music a little each day, or a little each week.  You NAILED it with "quality of life"!  Great post (:
Title: Note of thanks
Post by: AmpDesigner333 on 8 Oct 2015, 04:18 am
Pez / Tyson,

Thanks for helping the micro brands.  I want you to know that it means a lot.  The feedback you provide also assists product development.  My last few posts explain that a little, but my fingers are crossed that you will either change your mind or pass the baton to someone who will continue YOUR style.

-Tommy O
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: G Georgopoulos on 8 Oct 2015, 06:01 am
These Guys failed to deliver objective opinions because they're weak characters,i told Tyson I'm with you 100% on your opinion and he said (i take a step back from my opinion)he didnt have an opinion on his reply,infact he told me no one can,unbelievable,You ask for their opinions and they dont have one,i quit,if he wants to play games with me,better find someone else to play his games,however i cant speak of Pez because i havent interacted with him,but i think Pez is a meaner character when he takes a decision he is firm,anyway they are great photographers, lots of great photos.... :thumb:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Wind Chaser on 8 Oct 2015, 06:49 am
I hope someone picks up the flag and carries it forward.

But who will train them?
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: verdun47 on 8 Oct 2015, 09:00 am
Guys/Pez and Tyson
I've already thaaaaaaaaaaaaaanked you both. I mean it. Something beyond the rest. Real accomplishment.

We've read how you do it, and the pressure you put themselves under to give your 'impressions,' and still people are want to shoot arrows.

You've got to keep this thread going before you are 'put to sleep tomorrow.'
It is so bloody entertaining - some of the replies are priceless (at our expense I hear you say, but hot damn its fun reading).

Really wonderful cut and thrust guys, and hopefully you can eventually look back and say that was FUN.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Nick77 on 8 Oct 2015, 09:32 am
Appreciated the coverage again this year, its so cool to experience first hand like being there. I know what its like to carry a camera around and shoot photos at an event. Its a big sacrifice and can sometimes feel like you never got to enjoy event.

Thanks again!  :thumb:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: macrojack on 8 Oct 2015, 10:49 am
I dunno know Tommy, I thought they did a wider coverage last year and had a final awards thread. They might be as over it as a lot of the patronage happens to be.

My one discrepancy with the attitude is that all big companies are bad. As a "small time innovator" type person I have to point out that something these tiny operation aren't able to do is employee a bunch of people, and employee them well. The rash of newer companies may not survive forever because they operate so narrowly to survive. I don't want to get way off track, but in some ways I think that attitude can be a little off putting. That said one always wants to see more innovation and the people with nothing often are out to show it!

I haven't researched this contention that larger manufacturers create more jobs than little guys like you, but my overall impression is that the little guys, if they create any jobs at all, create them in the home country. It appears that the bigger manufacturers are creating jobs in low wage countries abroad.

To return to topic - I have never bothered to attend an RMAF show. Nonetheless, I will state that Tyson and Pez not only demonstrate impeccable personal integrity but also energize what is left of the audio community in a way that no one else I could name begins to approach. Their energy, clarity and expertise bring us a "you are there" sensation utterly absent in the high profile, "stuffier than thou" mainstream audio coverage. I have known and mingled personally with many reviewers over the years. Some have been close friends. None are outright crooks. Nonetheless, it must be said that there exists a quid pro quo, mutual back scratching systemic taint which has evolved over time as a consequence of human nature guided by self interest. Surely, were T&P to progress in the field to the point of depending on it for food, clothing and shelter, or merely prestige, they too would be subsumed.

What one has to understand about their efforts is that they are born of irrepressible curiosity, enthusiasm and good will. They are having and sharing their fun. They are kinda geeky and very technologically proficient. And their energy and high moral standards are born of youthfulness. The dissipation of that youth and the overall fatigue of thanklessness, cynicism and waning authenticity in audiophile motivation have likely conspired to induce their retirement.

Thank them for their contribution and go back to pursuit of the one tweak that will make all the difference. Have you seen my line of $7000 footers? They keep your tubes cool while eliminating crosstalk and preventing mildew. Six colors available from my stock catalog and custom paint and design by bid. Free keychain to the first 100 customers to mention this ad. Closed Tuesdays. Tyson loves his.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: AlexG on 8 Oct 2015, 11:36 am
It was great to have met you guys...your total dedication and effort showed people ( exhibitors) the real way to go about reviews...some like it and some did not! I know we did and are thankfull for what we learned from your opinions and we respect that. I have a great time being around you...and as we say in the "in the deep south" , there is no first without second...so, will see you guys around.

Jason and Tyson...I salute you!!!

All the best to both of you.

Alex
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: FullRangeMan on 8 Oct 2015, 11:43 am
Appreciated the coverage again this year, its so cool to experience first hand like being there. I know what its like to carry a camera around and shoot photos at an event. Its a big sacrifice and can sometimes feel like you never got to enjoy event.

Thanks again!  :thumb:
+1  :thumb:
Thanks boys for your usual great job.
First hand reports are very important.
Regards
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: GentleBender on 8 Oct 2015, 01:12 pm
You guys have helped more people than you know. Extreme honesty for the budding audiophile and no pretentious attitude. I came in with no knowledge of gear and found this forum in January 2015 after a friend suggested Odyssey. Do you think I was able to find much about Odyssey products from the main mags and online sources? Not much, certainly not enough to make a purchase.

Thanks to you guys and many others on this forum I was comfortable enough to call Klaus and quickly learned that this is a slippery slope. I was hooked after receiving his gear and couldn't stop looking and reading which led me straight into Vapor Audio's Auroras. I had to register on this forum so I could ask questions that others hadn't asked. Not to say everyone that posts are helpful to everyone/anyone, but you can get a good idea by looking through their posts. We all have different ears and genre leanings which may require different gear to accomplish.

I haven't heard music sound so good since starting down this rabbit hole and it is all because of honest folks like you (especially you guys). Just think of how many unregistered "stalkers" are reading the past shows you have covered as I did. Thank you for allowing me to feed off of the knowledge and guidance you offer for free.

Have you seen my line of $7000 footers? They keep your tubes cool while eliminating crosstalk and preventing mildew. Six colors available from my stock catalog and custom paint and design by bid. Free keychain to the first 100 customers to mention this ad. Closed Tuesdays. Tyson loves his.
Dang! I need some of those in red, like now. Is that per footer? :scratch:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: James Romeyn on 8 Oct 2015, 02:20 pm
These Guys failed to deliver objective opinions because they're weak characters,i told Tyson I'm with you 100% on your opinion and he said (i take a step back from my opinion)he didnt have an opinion on his reply,infact he told me no one can,unbelievable,You ask for their opinions and they dont have one,i quit,if he wants to play games with me,better find someone else to play his games,however i cant speak of Pez because i havent interacted with him,but i think Pez is a meaner character when he takes a decision he is firm,anyway they are great photographers, lots of great photos.... :thumb:

Unintelligible except for last line. 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: JAMn Joe on 8 Oct 2015, 02:42 pm
Pez & Tyson,

All I can say is your detractors need to walk a mile (or in the case of RMAF, 5-10) in your shoes. It's mostly a job that will never please all of the people all of the time because opinions are subjective. Most people fail to realize that your opinions good, bad or indifferent are based on what you hear. Those of us that you both have reviewed, whether positively or negatively get to choose how we react to what you've written. We can choose to bash or discredit you when you give us a negative review or try to improve on the things you felt we were failing in. We have personally been on both sides of that sword, but that's our failing when our systems don't meet the standards the listeners expect and in those circumstances, shame on us as manufacturers and dealers. Hopefully when you're listening you are taking into account the show conditions, and while everyone says that the people setting up the rooms should treat them, keep in mind that can be an expensive proposition that some participants can't afford. Not that some great pillows and other inexpensive room tweaks shouldn't be incorporated. And again, shame on the participant that doesn't use a little ingenuity.

Someone else in this thread I think attributed harshness to youth. Time has a way of mellowing us all and their is truth in the statement that "The Pen is Mighty than the Sword". Wielding the power of the pen has consequences for those you write about, and thinking about that as you pen your comments can bear weight on their future. You have a responsibility to keep that in mind as you write. That doesn't mean that you can't tell the truth, you should but sometimes a gentle prodding can be just as effective and produce greater results than a beating. Most of us appreciate the hard work and effort you put into doing the show reviews, especially those that don't get to attend. They live through your ears and eyes. You can't please everyone but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take satisfaction and pride in pleasing the ones you can. I applaud your efforts and approach, even when it hurts sometimes and hope that you will step back and re-evaluate your consideration of retirement. What you guys do is needed within the industry, you provide a check and balance to the industry standard quid pro quo. You're also a huge voice for the smaller companies that get lost in the politics of audio, keep that in mind.

In any case, thanks for a job well done year after year! :thumb:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: bacobits1 on 8 Oct 2015, 02:53 pm
Very good coverage enjoyed it !!
Appreciated !
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: rodge827 on 8 Oct 2015, 03:13 pm
Tyson and Pez Thank you for the great coverage of RMAF over the years. RMAF is a show I have wanted to attend but have never been able to. It has been a trip seeing it through your eyes and listening through your prose. But as with all good things they do come to an end.
I wish you both well in retirement and please continue to contribute to AC...it's fun having you around :thumb:

Chris
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: KLH007 on 8 Oct 2015, 04:26 pm
Tyson & Pez, Thank you for your years of real time show coverage! We all want you to avoid being put to sleep tomorrow, and for a surprise return to covering the 2016 RMAF. I understand how much work is involved in your process of real time reporting, it probably takes most/all of the fun away from attending RMAF. If you both have really called it quits on covering RMAF, maybe in 2016 you can actually ENJOY the show without the weight of writing/editing/photos and have the opportunity to spend more time in rooms that grab your ears, and to hang out in the evenings with friends and just discuss the show without having to be tied to a laptop. Your teamwork and real time coverage has changed the future for the better, your perspective always fresh and unvarnished, your critiques did bring room treatments and speaker positioning to the attention of exhibitors (and those that listened reaped better sounding rooms), and your candor and humor will be missed. Thanks again for breaking barriers and giving us great insight into how the rooms at RMAF sounded. Please don't go silent, keep a presence here.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: BobC on 8 Oct 2015, 04:41 pm
It's been said...but add me to the long list of people who enjoy and value your coverage every year.  It's the best there is IMO...so thank you!

Now...for next year...pound some shots and hit a local "club".  I want to see that coverage.....because your posts make up for the Denver trip I wish I could take  :duh: 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: mojave on 8 Oct 2015, 04:52 pm
Tyson & Pez, thanks for all your work on the room reviews. I've followed most of your coverage over the years and it has added some fun and excitement while sitting at a desk working. The past two years I've enjoyed having you in the room I help setup and fill with most of my own gear. If you do stop by next year (and if I'm at the show next year), I'll try to make it the third year in a row that you have listened to Eagles in our room.  :P

NEXT YEAR: you guys will at least do 2016.

I'm not sure you realize this, but the Cherry Maraschino amps were in room 2016. At first I though you were asking them to at least review the room with your products.  :D
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: WGH on 8 Oct 2015, 05:03 pm
Pez and Tyson, thanks for the years of excellent reporting and snarky comments. When at RMAF I always went online early Saturday morning to see what you guys posted and which rooms are a must see and which rooms to bypass. It's been fun.

Wayne
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: James Romeyn on 8 Oct 2015, 05:10 pm
I suspect history will shine brightly on this decade long run of audio reviews centered around one particular show.  In fact, I don't think it will ever be matched or exceeded for reader value and even more for pure reading fun and pleasure.

Upon first reading, I was astounded at how fun and outrageous were their comments.  It was like getting sucked into a vortex.  The more I read the more I had to read. 

If there is ever an award for audio reviewers, Pez and Tyson (listed alphabetically) own it outright, regardless the metric.

A job well done, and not soon topped.

I hereby nominate these two stalwarts for the future Audio Hall of Fame, category "Amateur (unpaid) Audio Reviewers."  Upon induction, their title shall thereafter be appropriately abbreviated "GOAT" for Greatest Of All Time Audio Reviewers.

Cheers for a job exceptionally well done, and all for the reward of only high fives from their many admirers and lots of grief from some occasional detractors.       

     
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: SteveFord on 8 Oct 2015, 06:10 pm
For the seriously bored/disturbed, maybe we can put all of their show coverage into one gigantic thread for posterity's sake?
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: rascal on 8 Oct 2015, 07:10 pm
Can you just stop? I don't really want to discuss anything with you. You're over use of smilies while being a dickwad is off putting enough. Just start your own topic somewhere else.

If you do not want to address my post, no problem.   I have no idea about Tyson  :finger:. but good luck to both of you in your future audio event reviewing. Your use of profanities or stating new facts is revealing enough.

In 2013 I had commented http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=profile;u=51064;area=showposts;start=20 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=profile;u=51064;area=showposts;start=20)

Well said- for me T&P RMAF coverage was best of AC sponsor coverage. Nothing wrong with that but I laugh when I read it was best coverage -shows fanboys will remain fanboys :evil: For such a large event I think you have to collect and read coverage from here, Stereophile, Enjoy the Musc etc. since no one covers everything..nothing is perfect but definitive statements make me cringe  :nono:

T&P effort and open discussion of preferences/bias- makes them honest- something which I do not find too easily elsewhere.

I will have to remove last statement from my assessment for this year but again I enjoyed it.  Folks may disagree with me- but response here and to jhm is revealing itself. 

I will post no more on this thread.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: dflee on 8 Oct 2015, 09:10 pm
I have enjoyed the many hours spent reading the written thoughts dredged
up by the pair of Pez and Tyson and comments about. For that I thank you
both.
Has anybody else noticed the Pez and Tyson show came to light the same
time Ren and Stempy went away? Coincidence or was this a continuation of?

Don
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: jriggy on 8 Oct 2015, 11:21 pm
I know, I'm terrible. I have been here for ages. I guess I just got to the point where I personally didn't find a lot of value in being here. Not because this place isn't AWESOME which it is, but because I'm rocking pretty damn near what I consider audio nirvana in the last few years. I used to post all the time! I would come here to find new gear and learn about new stuff. Now I know enough that the consumption/contribution portion of my musical quest is at the end game. Going to the show year after year has also drastically tamed my lust for 'the best' because I know its not just a subjective idea, but an ever moving goal post. I will visit more because I know I'm missing major stuff! But I doubt it will ever be like it was 6-7 years ago.

Thanks for the detailed answer, Jason. Much appreciated.

Jason

Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: BruceW on 8 Oct 2015, 11:36 pm
Pez and Tyson Great guys some honesty how refreshing --Go the BOYS!!

BruceW
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: strateahed on 9 Oct 2015, 12:19 am
Another big "Thank You" to Pez and Tyson for your great show coverage and honest reviews! Having visited a few audio show rooms, I know how challenging it can be to see/hear most of everything being offered. You guys have done a tremendous job of bringing the RMAF to life for those of us who were not physically there. Very valuable stuff ... kudos!!
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: AmpDesigner333 on 9 Oct 2015, 01:28 am
Tyson & Pez, thanks for all your work on the room reviews. I've followed most of your coverage over the years and it has added some fun and excitement while sitting at a desk working. The past two years I've enjoyed having you in the room I help setup and fill with most of my own gear. If you do stop by next year (and if I'm at the show next year), I'll try to make it the third year in a row that you have listened to Eagles in our room.  :P

I'm not sure you realize this, but the Cherry Maraschino amps were in room 2016. At first I though you were asking them to at least review the room with your products.  :D
The 2015/2016 thing did cause some confusion.  Not as much as there will be next year if the room number is the same!  Thanks again to YOU as well for putting a great room together and much more.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 9 Oct 2015, 03:17 am
Wow, the outpouring of support is a bit overwhelming - thank you all!  I'm afraid it really is our last year and we might go to RMAF next year, but won't be doing any coverage.  It's been a great 10 years and I wouldn't change a thing, not even the people that challenge us or get in our faces about stuff.  All part of the experience.  And I wouldn't trade it for anything. 

And to everyone with kind words for us, once again - THANK YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: G Georgopoulos on 9 Oct 2015, 04:45 am
  It's been a great 10 years and I wouldn't change a thing, not even the people that challenge us or get in our faces about stuff.  All part of the experience.  And I wouldn't trade it for anything. 


If you think about it, criticism is good, you guys have to go through what equipment vendors go,get the bad as well as the good,and learn from it,the only way to get better...I hope to see you next year too..all small vendors will miss you if you dont...rock on into the future.. :green:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: OzarkTom on 9 Oct 2015, 12:52 pm
Jason and Tyson, after going to these shows for 10 years and hearing the best audio has to offer, how many times have you purchased a new product to improve your system after the show?
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 9 Oct 2015, 02:14 pm
And to add to Tom's question, you guys should make a top ten list for the ten years and the gear you would personally buy. Thanks for your efforts.

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 9 Oct 2015, 04:08 pm
Sure, I can do that.

Stuff I've bought at (or because of) a show:

Serenity Acoustic Super 7 Speakers
iFi Micro iDSD
Beyer T1 Headphones
Alclair Curve IEM's

All my rec's for other equipment would be heavily biased toward AC vendors, for 2 reasons.  First, we gave them more time for demos during all the shows, and 2nd because they really do make some amazing gear, especially if cost/value were considered.  My own personal list would run like this:

Bass/Subs - Audiokineses.  Duke has simply come up with a better way to do bass in a home than anyone else out there.  Really impressive and hard to 'unhear', once you've heard bass at this level.

Speakers - Vapor and Odyssey.  Perennial best in show vendors for us, so no surprise there.  Vapor for big tower speakers that push the envelope for performance while remaining balanced, and Odyssey for their Kismet bookshelf speaker which is just about the best price/performance I've ever seen for a serious high end speaker. 

Amps/Preamps - harder to judge unless you've heard different electronics with similar speakers in similar rooms over several years.  I'll tell you 4 that stand out to me - DAC Cherry, Odyssey Stratos, Purity Audio, and Vinnie Rossi.  The Digital Audio Company Cherry digital amps because they are the first digital amps that didn't sound cold, lifeless, and sterile to me and their control, slam and dynamics are literally breathtaking.  Odyssey because every year they come in and go toe to toe with the best of anything at the show and do it for a ridiculously low price.  Purity Audio because they actually made Daedalus speakers sing in a smaller room, something I'd never heard before.  Finally Vinnie Rossi, the LIO gets you off the grid and does it with no compromise in high end sound quality at all.  Vinnie's been working on this type of approach for a while and with the LIO he finally nailed it.

DAC's, Cables, Power Conditioners - are you kidding me?  No way to tell how any of this stuff sounds vs anything else under show conditions, so no recs possible.  Sorry  :lol:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: BobC on 9 Oct 2015, 05:24 pm
Wow, the outpouring of support is a bit overwhelming - thank you all!  I'm afraid it really is our last year and we might go to RMAF next year, but won't be doing any coverage.  It's been a great 10 years and I wouldn't change a thing, not even the people that challenge us or get in our faces about stuff.  All part of the experience.  And I wouldn't trade it for anything. 

And to everyone with kind words for us, once again - THANK YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well others will step up, but you've set the bar high.  Thanks again!
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Bill Baker on 9 Oct 2015, 05:25 pm
You guys have done a great job over the years. You deserve to go to a show and not have to worry about taking notes, pictures and keeping track of it all. Hopefully next year you will both be able to go and simply enjoy the show. Thanks again for all the years of coverage.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 9 Oct 2015, 05:49 pm
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Sure, I can do that.

Thanks for sharing that and stating your biases.

Now the next generation audio reviewer will take things to the next level. That is, use a video camera and a high quality stereo mike and pre to go into it and record the sound for the herd to hear in their homes. Commentary from this brave new reporter/reporters will also be included.

AV Showrooms is one of the first out of the gate. I did have a conversation with Peter and stated his need to up the quality of his microphone used. I believe he has since the audio quality seems better with less hardness and glare, but that just might be my wishful thinking.

Thanks again for the fun adventure.

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: James Romeyn on 9 Oct 2015, 06:16 pm
...Now the next generation audio reviewer will take things to the next level. That is, use a video camera and a high quality stereo mike and pre to go into it and record the sound for the herd to hear in their homes. Commentary from this brave new reporter/reporters will also be included.

AV Showrooms is one of the first out of the gate. I did have a conversation with Peter and stated his need to up the quality of his microphone used. I believe he has since the audio quality seems better with less hardness and glare...
Rocket_Ronny

I tend to think a binaural recording would reveal the in-room sound better than a normal stereo recording.  Of course binaural must be played back on (ideally) in-ear buds, second choice head phones. 

Binaural mics comprise a dummy head shape with one tiny mic element in each location where would be a real persons ear canal.  The point is to mimic the human head's original shape and pickup mechanism during recording.  During playback, using ear buds directly couples the sound to the ear drum.  Thus, during playback the listening room and even the listener's ear shape does not add its signature to the sound.  The point is to mimic as closely as possible the original aural event (the difference is you hear the dummy head and ear shape signature rather than you own head and ear shape).

If you play back on speakers, you added your room signature plus your ear shape signature to the original aural event.   

If you think Peter looks different walking around with this little video camera, can you imagine him having an assistant carrying a binarual "dummy head" wired to Peter's VC?

Hmmmmmm........someone who makes high performance in-ear buds might sponsor some fanatic reading this......there's one particular nice binaural head with mics that costs $2k.  They range from about $500 to $8k for a Nuemann rig. 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 9 Oct 2015, 06:23 pm
Well, two heads are better than one. Let's see if he goes for it. I doubt it.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Pez on 10 Oct 2015, 12:19 am
Jason and Tyson, after going to these shows for 10 years and hearing the best audio has to offer, how many times have you purchased a new product to improve your system after the show?

Purchased some stuff from:
GIK diffusors, absorbers, scopus traps, bass traps.
MA recordings numerous albums
Odessey Audio beautiful stand.
Have reviewed many many pieces from the show.


Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Pez on 10 Oct 2015, 12:32 am
To everyone, I have read, with quite a bit of pride, what you all have written. It really is awesome to hear all the gratitude! I really love covering the show. I really am astonished that other people had enjoyment from our goofy ass methods and banter. I love you all. I honestly have more fun with AC folks than I thought possible!

On another note, for anyone I've pissed off through the years I'm sorta sorry. Unless you were a dick, then I'm definitely not sorry.   :thumb:
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: James Romeyn on 10 Oct 2015, 12:44 am
To everyone, I have read, with quite a bit of pride, what you all have written. It really is awesome to hear all the gratitude! I really love covering the show. I really am astonished that other people had enjoyment from our goofy ass methods and banter. I love you all. I honestly have more fun with AC folks than I thought possible!

On another note, for anyone I've pissed off through the years I'm sorta sorry. Unless you were a dick, then I'm definitely not sorry.   :thumb:

Last line: priceless!
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: ACHiPo on 10 Oct 2015, 01:07 pm
To everyone, I have read, with quite a bit of pride, what you all have written. It really is awesome to hear all the gratitude! I really love covering the show. I really am astonished that other people had enjoyment from our goofy ass methods and banter. I love you all. I honestly have more fun with AC folks than I thought possible!

On another note, for anyone I've pissed off through the years I'm sorta sorry. Unless you were a dick, then I'm definitely not sorry.   :thumb:
Classic!  And what draws us to your coverage!
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: ted_b on 10 Oct 2015, 01:20 pm

Have reviewed many man pieces from the show.

Wait....what?    :)
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: brother love on 10 Oct 2015, 01:44 pm
Wait....what?    :)

 :lol:  Freud would have a field day with audiophiles with so many phallic symbols & whatnot.

Seriously though, Pez & Tyson made RMAF fun & not some upper crust club-type gathering not worthy for the hoi polloi. Example:

"Tyson’s Notes Avant Garde Audio Room

General Room Notes – Oh man these speakers are ridiculously beautiful.  Object d’art to lust over.  Huge, but would work absolutely perfectly in the grand hall of my second home in the mountains.  If I had a second home.  Or lived in the mountains. "

Classic stuff. They were so entertaining with their tongue-in-cheek, salty sense of humor & observations. Their writing & photo skills made it a must read, not some dry blather that made you stop reading a third of the way through. 

All the praise heaped on you is well deserved.  Tip of the hat fellas  :thumb:

Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: James Romeyn on 10 Oct 2015, 03:24 pm
:lol:  Freud would have a field day with audiophiles with so many phallic symbols & whatnot....

I first met Lynn Olson (Nutshell Audio, Ariel DIY speaker and countless incredible tube designs)at my first RMAF in 2013.  At this last RMAF Lynn mentioned that Freud's nephew started the entire "Public Relations" industry.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Tyson on 10 Oct 2015, 05:59 pm
I first met Lynn Olson (Nutshell Audio, Ariel DIY speaker and countless incredible tube designs)at my first RMAF in 2013.  At this last RMAF Lynn mentioned that Freud's nephew started the entire "Public Relations" industry.

Yes, check out the documentary "Century of the Self", it covers it in detail.  Basically he invented the advertising industry as we know it today.  The main theme is that before him, ads were all about value and utility.  Like "This truck is built so well you'll never have to buy another truck!"  And that morphed into "This powerful truck will make you both powerful and desirable, the object of desire for women and the envy of other men".  Good stuff.  The funny thing is that it WORKS.  Even if you know they are doing it.  Even if you consciously fight against it.  Exposure is infection. 

:lol:  Freud would have a field day with audiophiles with so many phallic symbols & whatnot.

Seriously though, Pez & Tyson made RMAF fun & not some upper crust club-type gathering not worthy for the hoi polloi. Example:

"Tyson’s Notes Avant Garde Audio Room

General Room Notes – Oh man these speakers are ridiculously beautiful.  Object d’art to lust over.  Huge, but would work absolutely perfectly in the grand hall of my second home in the mountains.  If I had a second home.  Or lived in the mountains. "

Classic stuff. They were so entertaining with their tongue-in-cheek, salty sense of humor & observations. Their writing & photo skills made it a must read, not some dry blather that made you stop reading a third of the way through. 

All the praise heaped on you is well deserved.  Tip of the hat fellas  :thumb:

Thanks man!  Sometimes I worried that some of my more subtle jabs got missed or lost, I'm so happy to see that you got it and enjoyed it!  Seriously, you just made my day.

Although I do stand behind my statement that they were beautiful.  Higher prices may not buy you higher performance but it almost always buys you very good fit and finish. 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Pez on 10 Oct 2015, 09:54 pm
Wait....what?    :)

I can't get away with anything. I'll have to hire a proof reader.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: jkelly on 11 Oct 2015, 09:01 pm
Yes, check out the documentary "Century of the Self", it covers it in detail.  Basically he invented the advertising industry as we know it today.  The main theme is that before him, ads were all about value and utility.  Like "This truck is built so well you'll never have to buy another truck!"  And that morphed into "This powerful truck will make you both powerful and desirable, the object of desire for women and the envy of other men".  Good stuff.  The funny thing is that it WORKS.  Even if you know they are doing it.  Even if you consciously fight against it.  Exposure is infection. 

It's funny  - I was given this link to older High Fidelity magazines from the 50's - 70's and I was noticing the "talky" approach to ads in the magazines.  Very much like a salesperson is talking to you.

http://americanradiohistory.com/High-Fidelity-Magazine.htm (http://americanradiohistory.com/High-Fidelity-Magazine.htm)

Jeff
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: 2bigears on 11 Oct 2015, 09:12 pm
 :D  'age of self' is great.    ' inequallity for all ' is also good.  VAC choose not to build Avatar amps anymore ,, a long time ago.  why was this.   now they sell amps 15 times this cost....  why is this.  rich get richer,,,, hummmm  :D 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: OzarkTom on 12 Oct 2015, 01:09 am
Of all the reviews of the RMAF show that I have read, no one has used the "N"word. No company was using Ncores as their reference amps at the show? It seems that fad is over.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: jtwrace on 12 Oct 2015, 01:17 am
Of all the reviews of the RMAF show that I have read, no one has used the "N"word. No company was using Ncores as their reference amps at the show? It seems that fad is over.
You're wrong but whateves. 
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Scottdazzle on 12 Oct 2015, 01:31 am
Pez and Tyson,

I have enjoyed your show coverage for years. I appreciate your honesty, humor, irreverence, and good taste in music reproduction. RMAF won't be as interesting without your praise and criticism of the systems on display. Best of all, I've enjoyed the brief times we spent together.  Enjoy future shows without any pressure.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: taoggniklat on 2 Nov 2015, 09:28 pm
Thanks Tyson and Pez for all your effort. This year was the first year in many that I was not able to make it to the show and now I see it is your "last"? Bummer, sorry I didn't get to hang out this year.

Regards,
Jared
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: Folsom on 2 Nov 2015, 09:58 pm
Of all the reviews of the RMAF show that I have read, no one has used the "N"word. No company was using Ncores as their reference amps at the show? It seems that fad is over.

I'm certain they were in some active speakers somewhere.
Title: Re: FINAL final thoughts from Pez and Tyson.
Post by: KLH007 on 3 Nov 2015, 04:05 am
I'm certain they were in some active speakers somewhere.

The Kii speakers from Bruno have 6 Ncore amps per speaker.