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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Home Theater and Video => Topic started by: Todd Willhoit on 19 Nov 2016, 05:44 am
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We have a Samsung PN51F8500, the last of the plasmas, that died after less than two years of service. The power supply failed and new spare parts are not available.
I've become a fan of Samsung TVs, and am looking for ideas in a similar 50-55" size and feature set. With Black Friday coming around, I figure the collective wisdom here has an eye on good products at good prices.
Any recommendations?
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I think for the best motion, bright screen and upscaling I'd go Sony. For the deepest blacks I'd go LG OLED. Samsung plasmas were good but I'm less impressed with their current LCDs. Maybe next year at CES they'll change things.
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I'm a big fan of Toshiba. On my second one now for five years and it has never failed me.
http://tvna.compal-toshiba.com/us/en/
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I have a 55" SUHD Samsung in the living room. Once I set it to upscale everything the Directv took on another life. I also bought a Samsung Ultra HD Bluray player to try out and will move that to the basement rec room with the 75" Sony 940D sitting in the garage. I'm making a stand for the gear today. The player and the new Ultra Blurays rival the OLEDs. The movies are still $25 each and limited right now.
Sony's new X series equals OLEDs but they are so new the price is higher for a 65 inch than the 940D at 75, about $1500 more in fact. Totally equal to the OLEDs in depth of color and contrast. I could not justify more dough for smaller screen size so I grabbed the Sony. Best Buy is having some good deals right now.
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We have a Samsung PN51F8500, the last of the plasmas, that died after less than two years of service. The power supply failed and new spare parts are not available.
Any chance its still under warranty? If so, Samsung should work with you for a new Samsung
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You said new spare parts were not available? I did a quick google search and found 5 reputable and about 10 shady sources for the power supply on your PN51F8500. Sounds more like a repair center that didn't want to bother. But it also seems you are not alone with this power supply problem.
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Same here also looking. Kinda want 50 inch govr or take. My hitachi died after 10 heavy use years. Its all i can do to not hit crsigs list.
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I just bought a 65 inch 4K Sony. It was the best looking tv at Best Buy.
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I am just shy of two years. The warranty is one year.
The Samsung certified repair center has not been able to source the part.
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...found 5 reputable ... sources...
Which five would you recommend?
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I just bought a 65 inch 4K Sony. It was the best looking tv at Best Buy.
I'm picking up the XBR-65X tomorrow from BB. According to the Sony rep last week, the price drops another $200 tomorrow. Screamin' deal at $1399 for a good looking 4k.
My 7 year old 65" Samsung plasma is just about shot. We've got the dreaded pick band starting.
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I am just shy of two years. The warranty is one year.
The Samsung certified repair center has not been able to source the part.
If you paid by high end credit card such as a Signature Visa card or Platinum Master Card you might have an extra year warranty through the credit card company so you might get a new TV for free!
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I'm picking up the XBR-65X tomorrow from BB. According to the Sony rep last week, the price drops another $200 tomorrow. Screamin' deal at $1399 for a good looking 4k.
My 7 year old 65" Samsung plasma is just about shot. We've got the dreaded pick band starting.
Is this the model?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-65-class-64-5-diag--2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-black/4801900.p?skuId=4801900
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Is this the model?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-65-class-64-5-diag--2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-black/4801900.p?skuId=4801900 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-65-class-64-5-diag--2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-black/4801900.p?skuId=4801900)
Hey George,
Yep, that's it. I doesn't quite have the picture quality of the XBR65X930D (at $2k) but when you compare them side by side it's pretty darned good. Good enough that once we're got it installed, I won't remember the differences.
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I've been eye balling the Vizio P65-c1 (HDR, DV, etc) this year. Have not purchased yet. All models except for 55" use VA panel, the 55" uses IPS. Have a look at the threads on AVS.
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Hey George,
Yep, that's it. I doesn't quite have the picture quality of the XBR65X930D (at $2k) but when you compare them side by side it's pretty darned good. Good enough that once we're got it installed, I won't remember the differences.
Check that....
So, my wife and I met at BB to grab the XR850 and guess what she did? Upgraded us to the 930 :thumb:
....I knew there was a reason I married her some 35 odd years ago :green:
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SONY BRAVIA
FULL HD TV
CHECK THE LINK BELOW
http://www.sony.co.in/electronics/tv/t/televisions?type=4k_hdr
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Check that....
So, my wife and I met at BB to grab the XR850 and guess what she did? Upgraded us to the 930 :thumb:
....I knew there was a reason I married her some 35 odd years ago :green:
Nice!!
George
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If you paid by high end credit card such as a Signature Visa card or Platinum Master Card you might have an extra year warranty through the credit card company so you might get a new TV for free!
Doublej, Those were my immediate thoughts as well. My Chase Visa cards add an extra year to the manufacturer's warranty with a limit of 3 years total.
I had picked out a Samsung 49" but now have reservations about the company after their phone fires and exploding washers. I am more wary now that I see they don't have parts for something less than two years old. They are not taking care of their customers. I also believe that if they have a known problem part they should extend coverage for that part.
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At today's prices & tech I wonder if there are really any truly bad deals on Tvs anymore? With the exception of maybe bargain basement Chinese brands, they all seem to be pretty darn good. I still favor OLED LGs at the high end, but at the $1-2k popular prices they all seem to be pretty good.
Guess I'll get my videophile card burned......
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LG OLED sale has them as low as 1799!
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Guess I'll get my videophile card burned......
I think you're fairly safe around here if you're more focused on the audio!
Seriously - I own 3 Panny plasma's. An old 720p 42. A 1080p 60 (ST I think). A 1080p 55 (VT for sure).
They all are great for what they do well - nice pic if you can control the ambient light.
I could replace all with anything on the market today and not care much. As long as I can watch what I want, I am not big into picture quality.
I use the 60 for most of my "serious" viewing as it is in the HT in the basement. The VT has the best pic, but is on the main floor in our open concept kitchen/family room area.
I can state emphatically that for 90% of the viewing on that level I could swap the old 42 for it and not care - other than the smaller panel.
One of them will die soon no doubt (I repaired the VT55 last year) and when it does I will juggle them - assuming the oldest dies first (42) I would move the 55 to the bedroom, the 60 to the family room and see if I can swing a PJ for the basement. Or just buy a 60-65 Vizio at Costco.
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I will say that the Sony with the full backlighting shames the Samsung SUHD TV I own. Both crystal clear on 4K content but the Sony just does everything better. I'm glad I went for the Sony this time around for my little makeshift theater system in the basement. And all you guys were correct, go big or go home on the screen size. Wish I could afford the 85 inch versions, maybe next time!
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Just my 2 cents: I have installed a Sony projector with a 110" screen in the basement , and while it does not have a 4K capability, the full HD picture quality is breathtaking! I was skeptical about the projectors before, but now I wonder why i did not switch earlier...
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Great cheap projectors are actually probably the most interesting thing in the home theater display arena. After going to projectors about 6 years ago I wouldn't want to watch a movie any other way.
With flat panels these days it seems more about how many useless apps and crap they can shove in. Though I will say I was blown away by Sonys High dynamic range master drive demo at 2016 CES. Not what's in their 2016 sets now - but the skunk works thing for the future. Actual real life levels of dynamic range and particularly brightness, even if OLED still does black levels better.
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I vote for PJ. :thumb:
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Good notes here -
I am also looking to jump up in size from my current 55" Sony EX500 LCD.
1. Budget
$1200 max less is better
2. Seating distance
Roughly 9’
3. Size/placement limitations
Looking at a 65”/70” to replace my current Sony 55” LCD
4. Uses and sources
OTA HDTV - TV Shows/Sports
HTPC playback - moving to the shield for playback soon from Plex.
Netflix Playback
So from rtings.com Best 65 Inch TV - $1,000 to $1,500 they list the following -
Vizio M65-D0 -
Samsung UN65KU6300 -
Sony XBR65X750D -
Also saw a Refurb VIZIO M65-C1 65-Inch which is last years model.
Thoughts.....
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When you are looking at these, are they all 4K TVs?
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LG OLED sale has them as low as 1799!
I saw that. It is now back up to $1,997. A little pricey even at $1,700, but a fantastic picture.
I will say that the Sony with the full backlighting..
Which model?
At today's prices & tech I wonder if there are really any truly bad deals on Tvs anymore?
I wonder that too, but it appears that my eyes/brain may be more sensitive to motion than for most people. On material with fast action, usually football, I can see adjacent frames in areas of the screen with fast motion. I don't really know how to explain it. I don't believe it is motion blur, as I see crisp images.
PLOT TWIST: WHAT WOULD YOU DO??
Samsung has offered two options:
1) Exchange for a factory refurbished UN55KS9000FXZA with a 90 day warranty for a $150 fee
or
2) Pro-rated buyback for $712.49
I was already investigating the Samsung UN55KS9000FXZA ($1,500 on Amazon) and the Best Buy salesperson pointed out the discounted LG OLED55B6P ($2,000 on Amazon). Although I am not a videophile, I doubt the Samsung will get close to the black levels of the plasma, but I could be wrong. Does anyone have experience with these or something else comparable to the old plasma? What would you do?
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Take the money.
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Take the money.
Yup - and get the LG B series deal & be happy knowing you have the best!
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TV deals are something you want to research well before pulling the trigger.
I picked up a new Sony 4K in August and the black Friday and cyber monday sale price now is $500 more than what I paid for the same set.
Projector is a great way to go if you can. Worth the price many times over.
Take the money!
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Which model?
Xbr75x940D
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Are you sure you don't want a 100" Sony? They're only $57,999 more from the 65".
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Personally, since I'm always behind the bleeding edge of tech, I'd pay the $150 and get the refurb. Then hopefully that will last long enough for some clarity in the TV market: 4k? OLED? Curved or flat? Etc.? I still have plasma TVs, which no one really makes anymore. And we have one TV in our house (but two in our in-law apartment). But I can control the lights by asking Alexa to turn them on or off, so I guess I'm not completely behind in tech, though I am about to buy a refurb receiver that's the "old" model -- but receivers and their constantly evolving tech are another thread.
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How much history does OLED have? My Sharp LED will be 10 years old in February. It still works great but I am watching new offerings and trying to stay educated for that fateful day. What I don't want is a TV that won't last. I am not sure I want to be on the cutting edge. I certainly don't need to be there. I particularly like the new edgeless TVs. But a little too pricey right now.
On buying--I have read that Black Friday is not guaranteed to be the best day to purchase some things like TVs. Other holidays, Super Bowl specials, and model changes can offer equally good or better pricing. CES is a month away. I am curious what that will bring in the way of new models.
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I've got a couple of Panasonic plasma's (55" and 45") and an Epson projector with a 92" screen - this is my second projector. Projector prices have gone down exponentially, along with the fan noise, the picture quality and the capacity to perform in daylight have improved exponentially also. There must be a screen size at which projectors become more cost effective - at current prices I would go for a TV below 65" and a projector for anything larger.
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How much history does OLED have? My Sharp LED will be 10 years old in February. It still works great but I am watching new offerings and trying to stay educated for that fateful day. What I don't want is a TV that won't last. I am not sure I want to be on the cutting edge. I certainly don't need to be there. I particularly like the new edgeless TVs. But a little too pricey right now.
On buying--I have read that Black Friday is not guaranteed to be the best day to purchase some things like TVs. Other holidays, Super Bowl specials, and model changes can offer equally good or better pricing. CES is a month away. I am curious what that will bring in the way of new models.
LG OLED tech is mature. Eventually Samsung will come out with their own - I'd guess next year.
At under $2K for an entry level LG OLED "B" series, I'd say you don't have that much to lose. Playing the whole price waiting game I personally think is pointless. It will ALWAYS be cheaper sometime down the road. Buy when you need / want it & be happy.
I don't think TV operating life is as long as it use to be, and frankly I think that's just because the selling cost are constantly plummeting and the margins are ever more razor thin. I don't think anyone expects anyone to keep a TV any longer beyond 5 years, so why build to a higher standard? Sadly I think this is starting to happen even w/ substantially higher capital expenses : e.g. cars.
What seems to fail as much or more often on modern TV's is HDMI inputs or even entire boards vs even the panels themselves. I seem to hear a bit more about Samsung failures lately than other major brands, but this is not based on a big enough sample to be "scientific".
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If the choice is between spending $150 to get what you have now, or to spend $1800 to get something possibly better, my choice is the former and not the latter. Personally, I am unimpressed by most TVs, but I also have a relatively small TV that I watch from far away. I am also never on the cutting edge, for instance, I think 3-D is BS. And I wouldn't put too much into 4K unless you have a large screen or watch TV from close. Now, if you have a dedicated home theater room where you can watch a big screen, that might be a different story.
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Fascinating comment about cars - it may finally drive me (hee hee) to lease! Not likely, but if used cars start failing at massive rates it might.
As for TV, I am not a fan of chasing fads. I do own a 3D capable TV (Panny VT55) but that was free.
When my brother was recently TV shopping we had a similar discussion. I recommended a 70 inch non 4K. It would have saved around $500 vs the 4K unit. My rationale was the lack of 4K content at the time. He decided to pop for it, as he expects more 4K content soon.
I will always buy the TV that fits, for the $ I want to spend, and take the tech available at that price. I just don't care enough about TV watching - when I bought my first HD panel, I bought the 720P vs the more expensive 1080p units at the time. I did not see 1080p showing up via broadcast TV anytime soon at that time.
Agree that movies/dedicated HT might make a difference - though when I was kitting out my finished HT, I went with a 1K 60 inch Plasma (Panny ST60 at the time) based on price and my experience to date with their panels.
You cannot lose - there are great pictures out there at many sizes and resolution options.
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I haven't seen any mention of it in this thread, but from what I've read, HDR (high dynamic range) is an important feature. It has something to do with color depth, brightness, luminosity, I don't know. But I do know it's more than marketing hype. And it sounds like it's equally, if not more impactfull, than 4k alone compared to 1080p.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/12/high-dynamic-range-explained-theres-a-reason-to-finally-get-a-new-tv/
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Hello.
This is correct. I did all the Notre Dame home home games this year in 4k and during some down time we put the camers in HDR mode and they look great. The best looking stuff i have seen video wise in 25 years of doing tv.
The one hurdle that is in the way for live tv is that none of the articals talk about is you cant mix and match 4k cams with cams in the Hdr mode. Also none of the graphics machines are really doing hdr yet. Any thing you are seeing is being done in post.
We can talk more about it if anyone likes.
Peace
It is very complex right now and will be a awhile becore live stuff starts happening in hdr. But it does look great.
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My 50 inch plasma is finally starting to go, and has one column of a blue line. I'm thinking of getting this OL ED TV:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CDF9S1G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=15LWHGA04FA5N&coliid=I2VMKGOLVAJD0U&psc=1
It's awfully expensive though. If you search for this TV you will find glowing reviews of it. Not sure I want to spend double or triple the cost of an LED TV, however. And the reviews say there's not much 4K out there. I also have the unusual situation of needing about 35 feet of HDMI cable, which I've already installed from my receiver through the basement back into the living room. At the time I bought a very good HDMI cable, but I do not know if it meets the current standards. So, if I want to watch 4K, I might have to invest in new cables.
I'll have to see what my wife thinks.
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Pulled the plug on a 55 in Samsung led,after deciding to go new and stay away from Craigslist. So far so good. After basically. 10 yrs of great service from a Hitachi 42 in plasma. What i didnt realize is that 55 in is one big tv.Paid a little over 4 for it.I dont know if its last word in conectivity, its good enough for now.While i watch my fair share of tv,i could never drop over a thousandon a tv.For what i paid im happy.
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Pulled the plug on a 55 in Samsung led,after deciding to go new and stay away from Craigslist. So far so good. After basically. 10 yrs of great service from a Hitachi 42 in plasma. What i didnt realize is that 55 in is one big tv.Paid a little over 4 for it.I dont know if its last word in conectivity, its good enough for now.While i watch my fair share of tv,i could never drop over a thousandon a tv.For what i paid im happy.
I remember when I got a 55 inch TV – I thought it was huge. After a while, it seems small. 10 years out of a plasma is good. Mine has lasted me less than three years. I think I spent four or 500 for the plasma. So, it will be difficult paying four times that much for the OLED, when there's nothing to watch on it. That's why think it's always better to wait. Two years from now, this TV will be half price. I could buy a $500 LED and probably be just as happy. However, I like black levels in the plasma had a lot of that. LED TVs do not.
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My 50 inch plasma is finally starting to go, and has one column of a blue line. I'm thinking of getting this OL ED TV:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CDF9S1G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=15LWHGA04FA5N&coliid=I2VMKGOLVAJD0U&psc=1
It's awfully expensive though. If you search for this TV you will find glowing reviews of it. Not sure I want to spend double or triple the cost of an LED TV, however. And the reviews say there's not much 4K out there. I also have the unusual situation of needing about 35 feet of HDMI cable, which I've already installed from my receiver through the basement back into the living room. At the time I bought a very good HDMI cable, but I do not know if it meets the current standards. So, if I want to watch 4K, I might have to invest in new cables.
I'll have to see what my wife thinks.
YEs that is the right TV,
the LG Series 6, B model,
last week it was $1300 cheaper,
next week it will be again,
shoot for the 65 inch for $1999 and be happy for ten years with it.
Monoprice for video cables,
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=13760
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I'll always have a soft spot for that hitachi plasma. It developed a turn on problem for like last 3,4 yrs of its life. But i had a work around i was able to deal with..It had a killer pic,that i will miss,irregardless of what anyone says of todays tvs
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YEs that is the right TV,
the LG Series 6, B model,
last week it was $1300 cheaper,
next week it will be again,
shoot for the 65 inch for $1999 and be happy for ten years with it.
Monoprice for video cables,
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=13760
Where was it on sale?
There is no freaking way my wife will let me buy the 65 inch. No way. I repeat no way. Not because of the cost, but because of the size. Not to mention that she's right – 65 inches would overwhelm our living room and physically would not fit where the other TV is now.
I used blue Jean cables, which are excellent cables and quite expensive. I just do not know whether three-year-old cables support 4K.
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Where was it on sale?
There is no freaking way my wife will let me buy the 65 inch. No way. I repeat no way. Not because of the cost, but because of the size. Not to mention that she's right – 65 inches would overwhelm our living room and physically would not fit where the other TV is now.
I used blue Jean cables, which are excellent cables and quite expensive. I just do not know whether three-year-old cables support 4K.
Ask Blue Jeans Cables if the cables you have will support the 4K standard. They strike me as a company where you can get an honest answer about technical specifications.
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Where was it on sale?
There is no freaking way my wife will let me buy the 65 inch. No way. I repeat no way. Not because of the cost, but because of the size. Not to mention that she's right – 65 inches would overwhelm our living room and physically would not fit where the other TV is now.
I used blue Jean cables, which are excellent cables and quite expensive. I just do not know whether three-year-old cables support 4K.
Go big Bob!!
I can't imagine going with smaller than a 65"!
Here is a picture of a 65" Panny plasma in the living room:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154547)
George
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http://www.abesofmaine.com/LG_Signature_B6_Series_OLED65B6P_-_65_OLED_Smart_TV_1029964.html
$2200 free shipping, no tax.
Listen, you are not hearing what we are repeatedly saying
Your "old" 50 inch plasma had dimensions like this (these are from my 50" Pioneer plasma which I replaced):
3.7 x 48.5 x 30.5 inches
the 65" OLED is like this
57.1 in
Depth1.9 in
Height33 in
While the SCREEN is 70% larger, the actual FOOTPRINT is NOT.
Plasma have several inches of bezel on all sides, OLED does not.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154587)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154588)
An OLED is SIGNIFICANTLY thinner, lighter, and has NO BORDER - even the 65" plasma shown above by Zybar MUCH larger than an OLED set of the same screen size- look at that black border about 3" on all sides, that is not there with OLED
The cost of the cables doesn't mean anything, it is the available bandwidth.
Try them and see if they carry a 4K signal over that length, if you must replace them, use something cheaper next time.
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audioguy213,
I'd be very interested to hear your comparison of 65" LG OLED vs 50" Pio plasma. Do/ did you have the same viewing distance for both displays?
I still have a 50" 1080p Pio plasma that I sit 7.5 ft. away from the front face that is integrated into my near field 2 channel audio system.
I always found this screen size/ viewing distance/ resolution chart to hold true: http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/
Many people sit so far away from their displays, that they don't gain the full benefits of the better resolution.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154589)
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those charts are showing visual acuity - like how small on the eye chart you could read,
as a determinant of what you can "see"
but I could show a standard home video from 1980 on a TV 10 feet away,
next to Blu Ray 1080p, or UDH 4K content and the fact that you are 10 feet away would not matter, you could tell the difference in the quality of the source material, which is, in effect, telling you about the pixels you start with
So your chart would say "no difference" at 10 feet, but you would be able to tell quite clearly,
See what I mean?
Or like flip from HD to SD TV - sit ten feet away- you can tell .
The OLED TV has 4K capability, give sports two years and you will have major events in that,
Blue Ray 1080p will go to 4K, etc.
once they digital master with more resolution, these TVs will reveal that,
they also have better color gamut, better black levels.
So, it blows the 50" Kuro plasma away, and I waited 10 years for something better, because LCD sucks.
Now, image size - I find it depends on what oyu are watching. Some action movies they pan and shake so much that they ONLY look right on a 120" screen IMO. They look WAY better on a $600 projector than on a $60000 TV.
Any TV can look terrible with the facotry settings for motion and judder, they look soap operay and terrible (as do all TVs in stores).
once you calibrate them, or have them ISF calibrated, they all look WAY more natural-
I switched inputs by accident and started playing the new start trek on my lovely TV and almost got sick it looked so terrible - like every bad TV in a store or other people's houses. Reason - didnt have my calibration settings applied.
65" is the new "Standard" for a display with 4K resolution, they are lighter, thinner and sleeker than ever, now that the price is $2200 (this was $6,000 and WORTH IT a year ago folks) - it is a no brainer.
In ap erfect world, I would have this on the wall for wifey and daytime watching, but I would have a projector (sub $2000) doing 1080p for movies with an electric screen that came down to cover the front wall.
You have not enjoyed your HT if you have not used a FP, there is ZERO comparison to even a 80" TV and a 10'+ projected image.
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I looked at one 49" Samsung LED TV that was 14% smaller in surface area than my 10-year old 46" Sharp. Part of the size difference was the bezels and the remainder was the speaker strip across the bottom on the Sharp. The new LED had down-firing speakers. OLEDs are even smaller in surface area per a given screen size.
But 65" is too large for my area despite the lack of bezels. Has anyone seen OLEDs in the 50-55" range? I desperately need trickle down.
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55" OLEDs look great too
they are not going to make panels smaller than that, as they are already down to $1500
http://www.abesofmaine.com/LG_Signature_B6_Series_OLED55B6P_-_55_OLED_Smart_TV_-_4K_UltraHD_1029778.html
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55" OLEDs look great too
they are not going to make panels smaller than that, as they are already down to $1500
http://www.abesofmaine.com/LG_Signature_B6_Series_OLED55B6P_-_55_OLED_Smart_TV_-_4K_UltraHD_1029778.html
Well, that's funny because my local Fry's has it on sale ($2297) for only $300 more than what Abe's claims is the MSRP. :roll:
http://www.frys.com/product/8726931?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
I am not in a hurry. I am curious what new models will be introduced at CES. Tis the season.
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Everything audioguy is saying is the truth & worth paying attention to. Buy the set you want now : playing the waiting game because of videonervosa is pointless. These b series lg oleds are amazing and now fabulously cheap. Same b series 65 I sold only a few months ago was $3800. They ain't gonna get much cheaper - all the margin is gone. We could only have dreamed of this when we all bought our last sets. This is the maximum sweet spot delta now. Lg was crazy to drop prices this soon - they were only competing against themselves.
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Everything audioguy is saying is the truth & worth paying attention to. Buy the set you want now : playing the waiting game because of videonervosa is pointless. These b series lg oleds are amazing and now fabulously cheap. Same b series 65 I sold only a few months ago was $3800. They ain't gonna get much cheaper - all the margin is gone. We could only have dreamed of this when we all bought our last sets. This is the maximum sweet spot delta now. Lg was crazy to drop prices this soon - they were only competing against themselves.
Remember that new models will probably get introduced at CES. It is typical for prices to drop on models being phased out. I can't guarantee this is the case here but it is something to keep in mind. My deal is I refuse to get rid of my current TV until it shows some signs of failing. I only have an antenna and occasionally watch a Blu-ray. I am not a fanatic about picture quality. I just like the appearance of TVs without bezels and that also allows me the maximum screen size with the minimum physical size.
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Yeah, way too much nervosa over tv's here guys. :lol: They change as fast as cell phones so don't worry about getting the latest tech and not having it be replaced in a year - not gonna happen.
The LG OLEDs are now going to see competition from the new Z series from Sony. They look like the same picture now so this should get interesting. Either way, I wanted a 75 inch and no one offers OLED quality in 75 for under a zillion dollars. The 75 inch Sony I just bought is the second TV I purchased this year. I went cheap and got the 55 Samsung UHD for the living room from Costco for around $2 grand in January. Decent tv but this Sony just blows it away for lifelike colors and detail on both DirecTv and movies. I kick myself for not going SOny on the 55.
The new Sony Z series 65 inch is $5500 right now. The 75 inch I bought was $6k in Jan and now is listed at $5k and is on sale at many places for $4k now because the Z series is taking over. But I was not going to pay $1500 more for a smaller tv even if it was a superior picture. I was fortunate enough to see my tv and the new 65 inch Z series side by side at Best Buy and the Z is everything OLEDs are. So if you keep holding on they will be lower next year.... or you could keep waiting.... :nono:
I love, love, love that new Sony. Amazing picture on DirecTv and on 4K movies it is breathtaking.
And that chart above makes me laugh. I would have to sit 5 feet away to see the benefits of 4K on a 75 inch screen? No frickin way. I can see that from 25 feet away in an instant as audioguy points out. If you can't then don't buy anything! Those charts are worthless.
I am in no way a videophile but one thing I learned from reading countless reviews is that Sony, Samsung, LG make the tv's to buy. Forget all the rest these days. I love my 10+ year old Toshiba 42 inch unit at 6 inches thick and 100 lbs but it is collecting dust today. And I feel sory for all you guys clinging to plasma. Move on! :duh:
Have some fun, go buy a UHD and a $200 Samsung K8500 4K player and some $20 4K movies and you will be glued to the set over the holidays. Very cool. I'm stocking up on some now. Not waiting for 8K...
Have fun guys. Don't sweat it.
A 4K shot with my crappy little camera.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154619)
My makeshift basement HT makes the 75 inch look small. Dolby Atmos!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154620)
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Since you guys enjoyed the chart in my previous post so much ...
Here is another source (THX): When does 4k matter?
"... if your viewing distance is 10 feet or greater, an Ultra HD 50-inch display will likely have little perceived benefit in terms of image clarity and sharpness – which can be attributed directly to the increase in pixel count."
http://www.thx.com/test-bench-blog/when-does-4k-matter/
You guys are funny (& super defensive). :lol: If you can easily see a difference between tv resolutions at longer distances than those listed by the chart I referenced, then more power to you!
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a couple of different topics are now getting together in one thread.
1. OLED is a game changing display standard. Just as plasma sets produced black levels without peer, and many of us "videophiles" saved our Pioneer Kuros or Panasonic VT60s for almost 10 years in some cases - waiting for anything better, regardless of price.
no other technology was close, UNTIL OLED
OLED is not only better, it is WAY better than anything else, it is not an incremental change, it is a huge leap up.
LG basically pioneered OLED, taking it from 18" sets that cost $23,000 5 years ago - to set that cost $7k two years ago,
Once OLED hit the $7k , ultra premium, but exists, set, it immediately became the "BEST TV on the planet" bar none, with the only caveat being motion issues (software processing, where Sony excels),
LG has been getting huge traction, but still they needed to bring the prices down for the mass market, and they are doing so FAST,
because, as mentioned, competition is coming in 2017.
Panasonic has a $8k set - ultra premium.
But the real trigger is Sony:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2016/12/06/sony-oled-tvs-are-definitely-launching-in-2017-surprising-new-details-emerge/#3d412a2bcc00
Sony has two OLEDs planned for next year, with MSRPs that are low, and that has LG saying, "we might as well take the market with our lingering stock and have LG owners all over"
But, as I said repeatedly,
These sets were worth it at $8k,
almost irresistable at $4k,
and getting to the "I wish I had more friends I could buy one of these for only $2k for this Christmas" point.
they are CHEAP,
if you wait, you will be able to get a future model this cheap potentially, when it too is being replaced.
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those charts you are referencing, the reason they make people made is the same as when people post a piece of data that says
"wires are wires"
it indicates that you are not experienced first hand, and so what are we debating against - an article you read, something you heard from your aunt, but where does that end.
The short answer is that if you believe that article, then go ahead and only watch standard definition shows, because you sit too far for it to matter anyway.
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audioguy213,
Thank you for the interesting post and link. Here is what I found most interesting in the article.
"Given that Sony’s OLED TVs are being built using panels from LG Display, the Sony prices also perhaps give us an indication that we may see a more aggressive pricing strategy from LG Electronics with its 2017 OLED TVs than we saw in 2016.
Hopefully I’ll be able to bring you more details on this as well as a first glimpse of Sony’s OLED screens when the 2017 CES opens its doors in Las Vegas from January 4th."
Implicit in the need for better image quality in larger screens is the reluctance to make any OLED TVs smaller than 55-inches. At least for now. :(
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audioguy213,
Thanks for your most recent posts, esp. the 50" Pio Kuro plasma comparison to your 65" LG OLED display. Since the OLED displays have been drastically marked down, I have been looking closely at an upgrade.
But there is a point of diminishing returns. The chart merely shows where those points can be for many. Also, the full benefit really close distances account for the immersive experience that THX & others espouse (& why so many love HD projectors with very large screens).
When auditioning I always take a tape measure with me, step off my viewing distance, take the display remote & dial it way down from torch mode & evaluate. So much of what I personally watch from HD cable (sometimes w/ dreaded pixelated images), older movies, etc. , there is even less benefit gained from an upgrade. Blu-ray movies/ concerts & even higher def offerings are another matter. To each their own.
Not sure why things seem to devolve into standard def vs. 4k only. There is a whole lot of stuff in-between ...
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Based on what you are talking about, you would want to use a 1080p projector,
there are various HT models that would suit the "immersive experience"
Any TV looks like, at best, a "lovely window" on the wall, it never is going to look like a movie theater, as you know.
For a "reference" monitor that reproduces color accurately, surrports 4k, HD color, etc. the OLED is where it is at, comparable to where the Kuro was for a decade, and a Sony tube broadcast monitor was for almost 20 years before that- it is something a video professional would use.
But, a $600 720p projector, playing almost any action movie would BLOW 4k OLED out of the water, because the scale is immensely different, and how that impacts our eyes and brains is too.
Some people can watch an action movie on a cell phone
some people can watch it on a 7" screen on a plane
some can watch it on a 50" Plasma
and
some can watch it on a 120" projector
each step, is an equivalent step up in "experience" IMO. Depending on who you are, once you taste one, you may not be able to go back to the other.
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So Star Trek is refernce quality in Blue Ray on my OLED. Perfet inky blacks of space,
but when they do some mortal combat hand to hand shakey camera fighting, or the whole inside of the spaceship is shaking around scenes, I literally CANNOT tell what is going on , on my TV. Like my brain no longer is immersed in movie, it is confused.
I dug out an OLD 720p DLP projector and shined it on my wall, and it was WAY better experience watching the movie- the action scenes made sense, I could see better,
and let me tell you something else brother - if you think your audio system responds to nice power conditioners like UberBuss, you should try them with a display or any projector.
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Sony always has the best motion processing,
that was the one knock on the first gen LG OLEDs, and still some people complain about the latest gen if they have not tweaked their settings,
Sony really has upscaling & motion processing nailed in their TVs, everything looks great from 480p up,
So, that would be a major point of comparison with the next gen of 2017 OLED sets.
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I apologize if this was previously mentioned (I may have missed it,) but Sony has confirmed that they will be showing new OLED TVs at CES which are expected to become available in the second half of 2017. http://www.avsforum.com/rumors-of-sony-oled-tv-confirmed/?utm_source=email&utm_campaign=AVSForum.com_sold&utm_source=AVSForum.com20161208 (http://www.avsforum.com/rumors-of-sony-oled-tv-confirmed/?utm_source=email&utm_campaign=AVSForum.com_sold&utm_source=AVSForum.com20161208)
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Hey.
The good thing about sony is they have had about 5 to 7 years or more of making oleds for the broadcast and film biz.
The new 4k hdr 30 inch monitor i am using cost a cool 30 grand. But it does look great. Once you look at full uncrompressed 4k or hdr its really hard to look at other stuff.
Might be worth it to wait for a sony.
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Not that there is anything wrong with it but Sony is sourcing it's OLED panels from LG...
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Sony has been outsourcing many of their panels for years, but they still develop their own electronics which make them superior to some competitor's sets using the same panels.
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Well, my plasma TV has developed a blue column. It's only 3 years old too. I originally thought the blue column was caused by my receiver, but when my home theater computer died and I was setting up the new one, which went directly into the TV, I realized it was the TV. Which is too bad because I bought a receiver too. The receiver does have an on-screen display though, which my old receiver did not.
Anyway, I've decided to buy a 55 inch OLED TV from LG. However, I'm going to wait to near the Super Bowl to buy it, as I really don't need it and I think the prices will be lower then.
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Well, my plasma TV has developed a blue column. It's only 3 years old too. I originally thought the blue column was caused by my receiver, but when my home theater computer died and I was setting up the new one, which went directly into the TV, I realized it was the TV. Which is too bad because I bought a receiver too. The receiver does have an on-screen display though, which my old receiver did not.
Anyway, I've decided to buy a 55 inch OLED TV from LG. However, I'm going to wait to near the Super Bowl to buy it, as I really don't need it and I think the prices will be lower then.
Sorry to hear that Bob.
My Panny plasma in the picture above is now 10+ years old and still looks great!
Put the TV you want in your wishlist or cart on Amazon and that can give you an idea when the price is starting to move around.
George
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Thanks, George. I think I just got a bad one. We have another TV from the same manufacturer, just smaller, and it's older, and is still working fine. We also have an LED (not plasma) TV that's even older and still working fine, also from the same manufacturer. Those 2 TVs are in the in – law apartment, however. Our main screen is the one with the blue line. My wife sees no reason to get a new TV, but it drives me crazy. Unfortunately, these TVs were on sale in November and now are full price. They likely won't go on sale again until the Super Bowl.