Kismet @ RMAF = UNBELIEVABLE

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Re: Kismet @ RMAF = UNBELIEVABLE
« Reply #20 on: 13 Oct 2008, 11:24 pm »
The new speakers do look like the Loreilis...
I wonder how they are different.
T

 I was wondering the same thing. :scratch:

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Re: Kismet @ RMAF = UNBELIEVABLE
« Reply #21 on: 14 Oct 2008, 12:13 am »
The new speakers do look like the Loreilis...
I wonder how they are different.
T

 I was wondering the same thing. :scratch:

New bases and upgraded x-overs.   

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Re: Kismet @ RMAF = UNBELIEVABLE
« Reply #22 on: 14 Oct 2008, 01:09 am »
Was there a prototype of the Kismet tube preamplifier @ the show  :scratch: Klaus and the boys from Indy are phenominal  :thumb:

Hi Bunky:

No, the new Kismet LS Preamp was not at the show but I put a deposit down and Klaus expects to ship it to me in late January.  Klaus recommended I take this step in upgrading from the Candela prior to replacing the Mono SEs with the new Kismet Amps. 

As others have stated previously this was easily one of the best sounding rooms at the show.  Oh, my wife has not stopped talking about how beautiful the pair of Kismet speakers were in the room.  She still describes them as beautiful pieces of furniture that sounded fantastic.  So guys, these speakers have high WAF!!!!

Congratulations Klaus!

Ken
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« Reply #23 on: 14 Oct 2008, 02:19 am »
From the Soundstage report.....



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Odyssey Audio's new Kismet amplifier is available in stereo (200Wpc) and mono models (400 watts each) at essentially the same price -- $2500 each or $4900 per pair. A pair of monoblocks sounded full and sweet driving Odyssey Audio's soon-to-be-available Kismet speakers. The amp's metal work is impressive. [www.odysseyaudio.com]



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Klaus Bunge of Odyssey Audio is especially proud of his new Kismet phono stage, a two-chassis, 47-pound unit that provides 45 or 65dB of gain. Its $2500 price belies its build quality and, Klaus would argue, its performance. [www.odysseyaudio.com]

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« Reply #24 on: 14 Oct 2008, 02:44 pm »
First time I had listened to Odyssey and I was impressed, very open and spacious sound with good bass extension.  The new amps are absolutely gorgeous, Klaus said he has around 25 hours of labor into each amp, think about that compared to their cost, incredible bargain! 

Best of luck with the new series Klaus!

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« Reply #25 on: 14 Oct 2008, 03:42 pm »
I wonder if Klaus will come out later with a pair of smaller mono blocs built on the same format. I'm thinking about 100 watts or less. I also wonder what the internals will be like with the new preamp. How many inputs? Tape Loop? Optional remote?
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« Reply #26 on: 14 Oct 2008, 04:11 pm »
I really wanted to try to make it up to listen but alas, didn't happen.  I even knocked a couple times later at night wondering if there would be any more late night sessions but to no avail.  Guess I'll have to wait until next year.  Sounds like you've got a winner Klaus.

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« Reply #27 on: 14 Oct 2008, 04:54 pm »
Any Specs. on these?
- Available as 2 channel or Mono only?
-Price?
-Class A, Class A-B?
-Output Power Ratings?
-Available in Black, silver etc…?
-Still need to be on 24/7 to be at its best like the stratos versions? Or did Klaus finally break down and go against his beliefs and put in a type of subwoofer amp standby circuit?

What I say what is the bigger better deal on these :-)

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« Reply #28 on: 14 Oct 2008, 05:05 pm »
I am sure they sound great! My only "never heard it criticism" is that for such a costly chassis (not a bad thing) its not very nice in an industrial design sense.  Was the design out sourced?

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« Reply #29 on: 14 Oct 2008, 05:38 pm »
There are some pictures on a thread posted by Alex that shows how and by whom the machining is done. Klaus  is pictured working on them

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« Reply #30 on: 14 Oct 2008, 09:34 pm »
Given that I just completed a Japanese elm (keyaki aka zelkova) stand for my mono extremes and Tempest, I wonder if the Kismet internals can go in the earlier cases, or if the dimensions of the new gear are the same plus/- 1cm...

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« Reply #31 on: 15 Oct 2008, 02:12 pm »
Given that I just completed a Japanese elm (keyaki aka zelkova) stand for my mono extremes and Tempest, I wonder if the Kismet internals can go in the earlier cases, or if the dimensions of the new gear are the same plus/- 1cm...

Well we are two now, I was thinking about upgrading but later I had the same concern, my rack´s amp spaces are practically Stratos size, so a bigger dimension product would be impossible to fit in   :| and it scares me.

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« Reply #32 on: 15 Oct 2008, 02:47 pm »
I know Klaus since his debut with Odessey. A breath of fresh air in the industry. Bang for the buck, integrity, and last but not leasta sound you could fall in love with.
  it was brilliant of him to to take the design to Canada for manf. saving the customer thousands compare to the comparable Symphonic Line. Now $5000 for his new amps is fair for what you get.
  I wish him continued success in his endeavors. great guy and businessman. Go Klaus.

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« Reply #33 on: 15 Oct 2008, 02:52 pm »
Beautiful look amps  :thumb: I would love to see all the final specs on them. I wonder if the monos could be stacked on top of each other?

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« Reply #34 on: 15 Oct 2008, 02:59 pm »
Beautiful look amps  :thumb: I would love to see all the final specs on them. I wonder if the monos could be stacked on top of each other?

FYI
I asked this same question during the show, and Klaus stated that it would not be a problem.

Shaun

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« Reply #35 on: 15 Oct 2008, 03:04 pm »
Given that I just completed a Japanese elm (keyaki aka zelkova) stand for my mono extremes and Tempest, I wonder if the Kismet internals can go in the earlier cases, or if the dimensions of the new gear are the same plus/- 1cm...

Well we are two now, I was thinking about upgrading but later I had the same concern, my rack´s amp spaces are practically Stratos size, so a bigger dimension product would be impossible to fit in   :| and it scares me.
Not totally sure, but the Kismet looked a bit smaller than my mono's, though the pillars themselves are pretty tall.  Overall they seemed relatively compact so I wouldn't expect a problem.

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« Reply #36 on: 15 Oct 2008, 05:21 pm »

For all what I have read so far and Klaus feedback of course, this past RMAF was a great success for Odyssey.  aa

Nicolas,

Welcome to the circles...very nice write up from RMAF regarding the new Kismet line. Thank you!  :thumb:

Martin,

The picture you took in the Odyssey room has appeared in various circles and venues so far....nice!   :drool:

A couple clarifications, The new Kismet line of product has the same front (width) as the current Stratos amps, with dimensions at 19" "OD" from pillar to pillar. The Kismet Phono is not as deep as the new amps but has the same front width. Yes, you will be able to stack the Kismet amps...and perhaps spike them (more to come)! You will also have the choice of finish...black, silver, etc. Regarding final specifications...they will be coming soon from Klaus.

I spoke with Klaus last night and they (wife Irena) are on their way back to Indy...he took a longer route a little south than normal as he is showing Irena some of the surrounding states...call it perhaps a short honeymoon!!! :violin:

Thank you,

Alex



 




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« Reply #37 on: 17 Oct 2008, 05:51 am »

For all what I have read so far and Klaus feedback of course, this past RMAF was a great success for Odyssey.  aa

Nicolas,

Welcome to the circles...very nice write up from RMAF regarding the new Kismet line. Thank you!  :thumb:

Martin,

The picture you took in the Odyssey room has appeared in various circles and venues so far....nice!   :drool:

A couple clarifications, The new Kismet line of product has the same front (width) as the current Stratos amps, with dimensions at 19" "OD" from pillar to pillar. The Kismet Phono is not as deep as the new amps but has the same front width. Yes, you will be able to stack the Kismet amps...and perhaps spike them (more to come)! You will also have the choice of finish...black, silver, etc. Regarding final specifications...they will be coming soon from Klaus.

I spoke with Klaus last night and they (wife Irena) are on their way back to Indy...he took a longer route a little south than normal as he is showing Irena some of the surrounding states...call it perhaps a short honeymoon!!! :violin:

Thank you,

Alex



 





Alex,
Looking at the photos of the phono stage, I noticed that there wasn't any photos of the seperate power supply. Can you tell us all about it (size wise mainly), and also the same thing with the phonostage itself?
    Lastly I want you to get busy on that battery power supply! And also is it possible to add a second input to the unit? I see double tone arms in the near future at my house.

    I'm gonna be really nice now and not laugh too hard at the folks that bragged about their "$10K budgit system!!" over on the AudioCircle. But then again I don't impress very easilly. (almost forgot the pair of $800 power cords<g>!!!!)
Wish they'd drop by my house as I'll sell them a three hundred dollar cigar for a hundred bucks.
gary

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« Reply #38 on: 19 Oct 2008, 04:54 pm »
I wonder how will be the feet for KISMET electronics, an dmaybe the use of this kind of material could be a nice tweak, maybe an option for you rydenfan :



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« Reply #39 on: 20 Oct 2008, 06:48 am »
Hi Guys,

OK,  I'm back.  3520 miles total,  and had to sleep it off today.  But it was a very nice drive.  Man, Boulder and Santa Fe are beautiful.  Albuquerque is much cooler than I thought. Tucumcari's only fame to claim has to be the scene in Rain Man.  First time in Graceland, even though I've been in Memphis many times, and Beale Street never gets old. (As to Elvis, I want to make 100 Mill a year too after I'm dead).  Ozarks are really nice.  Oklahoma City casino gave us over $ 200,  hehehe. And yes, Irina and I are in love with the Rockies.  Finally,  people in mid - Kansas or the Texas panhandle:  please don't get me wrong,  and this is not a criticism to you guys,  but if I have to drive through your area one more time in the daylight,  shoot me.  Aaaaargh.

Now,  I have a lot of thoughts here:

1.  First off,  thanks Nic and Gregg for the orders, and Nic for your wonderful post.  He ordered the complete system plus amps for his AV system, paid me in full on the spot, and has to wait until X-mas. (had to leave for Asia because of the banking mess)  How about that ???

2.  So far in the last 19 years I have done over 60 shows, etc.  This turned out to be my 2nd best show EVER !!!!! For one, I am completely, totally happy as to how the whole Kismet line turned out.  Ecstatic, actually.  This has been by far my best work ever.  And in the last 3 months I have had several set-backs,  especially on the metal.  The original plans had to be scrapped,  and as Alex pointed out,  we only finished the case work in 2 consecutive all-nighters a day before I left for Denver.  However,  it turned out very cool,  and many thanks to Rusty,  who put my design idea into an awesome machining tour de force.  Also thanks to Alex, who designed this ridiculously good sounding phono unit.  The Kismet phono above all other products will get us straight into the no holes barred top end of high end,  period.   Anyway,  as to the show,  the room was actually ok sounding.  We had one corner with some serious bass  overhang,  and that's where I stood pretty much every minute.  Nobody else allowed on that spot,  and for the rest of the room,  it was ok,  even at very loud volumes.  Of course,  the single listening chair didn't have any of these effects,  since I carefully put it one foot in for nearfield listening,  which was easily done because of the Speaker's dispersion.  Result is that in this one listening chair (and no,  as for you idiots out there who criticize the sound because you put your nose in the door for 10 seconds, you don't have a clue) I have had one, if not the best sound ever at a show.  Friday was a good day,  Saturday was just insane with direct orders,  and Sunday,  well,  I could have slept all day.  Big 0.    Wouldn't have made a difference.  All in all,  an awesome show for the sound and actual business.

3.  The show itself had much less traffic this year, even with more exhibitors than ever.  Bad thing of course that there couldn't have been that much business for most.  Good news though is that for the attendees it was good getting the best listening easier, and of course, seeing more toys than ever.  Honestly,  I have no idea as to where this industry is going.  The trend over the past decade in the latest, greatest, and most expensive gear has been obvious,  but now it is out of control.  I have been in the elevators with several other manufacturer,  and while everybody tries to put on a confident face,  it is also very apparent that there is a deep dissatisfaction at the show.  What do these guys think how many potential customers there are for so many $ 50 K +  speakers or expensive electronics ????  Wake up.  Then again,  the hard economic circumstances right now are of direct benefits to me.  Many of my new customers from the show would usually shop in higher price ranges.  In my talks with them they were decidedly looking at more bargains than being in a free spending mood.  Well,  a bargain we have.

4.  Yes,  the sound was there,  but I am still kicking myself (and have to kick Alex as well) about the gear.  We just didn't get our asses in gear soon enough for various reasons.  The Candela was 3 days old,  the speakers 10 days,  and the amps had a bit more than 2 weeks on them.  Cables except for the LS's were new Gronebergs.   I have the same system at home now, and will monitor further changes to see if the break-in curve is similar to that of the Stratos / Lorelei  units.

5.  BUT !!!!  Again,  we don't have the cache of so many other big names out there.  Evident in that a couple of Stereophile guys and other magazine people didn't make it into our room in 3 days !!!!  Well,  the ones that did were blown away.  Then again,  I am not playing any politics game whatsoever, and really don't give a sh#$#$t,  just concentrating on my own deal and my customers.

6.  Lastly,  a BIG  thanks to all of you who made this a great show.  I came to Denver with  zero expectations, and actually in a very negative mindset for many reasons,  but you guys (and you know who you are )  made it a blast, and a very, very successful one at that.

Thanks Guys,

Klaus