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Title: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 3 Jan 2015, 05:47 am
I posted awhile back on this. I've scavenged the place thoroughly for mold. I can't find anything.

But I wake up and blow blood out with snot, if my sinuses are open enough to move anything. Whatever it is, I need to potassium, it screws up digestion, liver, and metabolism. My head is plugged and I can't feel relaxed quiet right.

I'm at a bit of a loss on what it is... I'm looking to relocate, but easier said than done in a hurry.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Douger on 3 Jan 2015, 06:16 am
Possibly need more humidity...  I suffer the same unless I turn on my humidifier.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 3 Jan 2015, 06:21 am
No.

I'm wondering about VOC's since it was repainted right before I moved in. It's not simple like humidity. It's a poison that seems to have neurological effect. (And more)
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: vortrex on 3 Jan 2015, 06:52 am
A smart meter?
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 3 Jan 2015, 06:54 am
?
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: vortrex on 3 Jan 2015, 06:59 am
Google around about smart meter symptoms.  I don't believe it myself, but many people blame unexplainable illnesses on them.  Of course it won't apply if you don't have one.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 3 Jan 2015, 07:12 am
My building might, not sure. I'd suspect newer places I sleep fine in would (when I'm out of town)
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 3 Jan 2015, 07:20 am
Oh, but if I leave a window open (and turn my place into a freezer) then I'm not bothered for awhile. Then it comes back.

There is a smart meter on my building. It doesn't seem to trigger stuffed nose when I stand near it. But I can understand the concern, it makes noise and it feels uncomfortable like when I touch my cellphone in Hotspot mode. (I leave it a few feet from me, it feels icky or something when it's doing WiFi and internet)

Also, I respond well to some antioxidents. Blueberries, if I eat a lot, make my cardio system better; which gets bothered easily living here.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Atlplasma on 3 Jan 2015, 02:04 pm
It can be really difficult to isolate the cause of allergy symptoms. Have you gone to an allergist for testing? Does your apartment have carpet (all kinds of nasty stuff can thrive in carpet.) Have you have your ducts checks (assuming you have central HVAC)? Is this a seasonal or year-round problem?
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: wushuliu on 3 Jan 2015, 02:10 pm
Yes, make sure air filters are new if the apartment has central air. They have to be changed once or twice a year.

Sorry to hear about these issues. It's so damn hard to track down culprits sometimes cause every f'ing thing now pretty seems designed to kill us slowly in one way or another.

Check paint, check carpet, check air filters.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: SteveFord on 3 Jan 2015, 02:24 pm
Pick up one of these, too.
They work great!
http://www.amazon.com/SinuPulse-Elite-Advanced-Irrigation-System/dp/B001CWT4JI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420295056&sr=8-1&keywords=sinupulse
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Big Red Machine on 3 Jan 2015, 02:32 pm
Anything you try to ingest to remedy is only a band-aid.  When it comes to health, I'd be moving PDQ.  I've had nasty sinus infections before and shagged them with supplements and medicated steamings but yours sounds like it is domicile related.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Atlplasma on 3 Jan 2015, 02:35 pm
Pick up one of these, too.
They work great!
http://www.amazon.com/SinuPulse-Elite-Advanced-Irrigation-System/dp/B001CWT4JI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420295056&sr=8-1&keywords=sinupulse

Sinus irrigation once or twice a day can make a big difference. The SinuPulse looks great. If you want to spend less, try a Neilmed squeeze bottle ($10). You can make your own saline rinse with distilled water, salt, and baking soda. Don't use tap or bottle water, however.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Big Red Machine on 3 Jan 2015, 02:40 pm
Pick up one of these, too.
They work great!
http://www.amazon.com/SinuPulse-Elite-Advanced-Irrigation-System/dp/B001CWT4JI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420295056&sr=8-1&keywords=sinupulse

That looks cool Steve.  14 years ago I had a nasty sinus infection I got rid of with heavy doses of Vitamin C, ReishiMax, and AGImmune along with a eucalyptus laced steam tents.  God-awful orange junk came out of my head for weeks.  Haven't had it since.  Today's regimen is centered around Pharmenex LifePak Nano core everyday.  Could have used one of these devices then.  One of my buddies moved from Indiana to San Diego years ago partly due to his constant sinus issues.  Loves his job with Sony and has left sinus issues behind him.

Other than the sinus, how do you feel Salis?
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: thunderbrick on 3 Jan 2015, 02:41 pm
You may never find the reason/source.  It could be a hypersensitivity to ??????

Do you live near a decent hotel?  Spend a week there and see if it clears up.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: bladesmith on 3 Jan 2015, 02:53 pm
Your symptoms are similar to asbestos exposure.

You might research that. Many old buildings have asbestos issues.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: richidoo on 3 Jan 2015, 03:22 pm
I know I'm a broken record: but try ozone. It kills bacteria, mold, viruses, and oxidizes VOCs and any other carbon based chemical. I doesn't just kill mold, it dissolves them into nothing, so airborne spores are destroyed too. That is what is bothering you and nothing else can touch them until after they have landed and started growing mold again. That's what makes you sick, when they hatch on your mucus membranes and overload your immune system. You want to destroy spores before they get into you to reduce the toxin load and feel better. 

Your mold problem is confirmed, you know the roof was leaking. The wet wood has been infected with mold, so mold will always be in that wood, and will always infect your house until that wood in the walls is replaced, which will probably never happen. Winter dries out the mold slime and causes it to make spores. Ime, these are the strongest mold toxin. Spores go everywhere the air goes and will hatch wherever they find moisture, which is your exposed mucus membranes, raising the immune system load which makes you feel bad if your immunity is not high enough to handle the toxins that mold excretes. It is believed that black mold aspergilis nigris living inside a cell is a necessary ingredient in turning a healthy cell into cancer. Every cancer cell biopsy cultures this mold. This is the black mold that grows on wet wood and sheetrock paper.

Last time you were going to DIY an ozone generator but that doesn't make adequate quantity and why fuck around when you are trying to protect yourself from humans' #1 natural enemy? They have you on the ropes, you need a nuke. You need to flood the house with it, so you need a strong commercial machine. Once you see what it can do you will use it often for the rest of your life. You have compromised immunity or you wouldn't be reactive so badly, so the ozone machine will ease your symptoms while you work to rebuild your immunity.

It can knock down the smell of aldehyde latex paint if it is high enough mg/hour. Mine is this one (http://www.jenesco.com/cart/Ozone-Generators/PT101-2K.html), only 1800mg/h max setting. I put it in the room I am painting and it makes it about half as bad while it is drying, but doesn't totally erase the smell like a more powerful machine would. I would sometimes like a stronger one, like when I visit a hotel room or beach rental with lying broker that says no animals and no smoke and newly redecorated but stinks like a swamp. Mine stops everyone's sneezing but it takes a few hours and I have to run it the whole week. A few hours of 3500 or even 7000mg/h might take it down in one hit. When I bought mine, they were hard to find and all these commercial models on Amazon weren't available to the public. I don't know if they are well built since they are so cheap and made in China, but even if it only works for a couple months it will ease your suffering until you can get out.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: mav52 on 3 Jan 2015, 03:30 pm
Not sure where you live.  But we had a case of mold we searched for for weeks, only to find it within the AC/heating ductwork at the air handler (within).   
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: ebag4 on 3 Jan 2015, 03:41 pm
It couldn't be an adverse reaction to all of the solder you have been slinging could it?  I keep reading about what appears to be a lot of modification work you have been doing, don't huff those fumes!
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Atlplasma on 3 Jan 2015, 03:49 pm
I know I'm a broken record: but try ozone. It kills bacteria, mold, viruses, and oxidizes VOCs and any other carbon based chemical. I doesn't just kill mold, it dissolves them into nothing, so airborne spores are destroyed too. That is what is bothering you and nothing else can touch them until after they have landed and started growing mold again. That's what makes you sick, when they hatch on your mucus membranes and overload your immune system. You want to destroy spores before they get into you to reduce the toxin load and feel better. 

Your mold problem is confirmed, you know the roof was leaking. The wet wood has been infected with mold, so mold will always be in that wood, and will always infect your house until that wood in the walls is replaced, which will probably never happen. Winter dries out the mold slime and causes it to make spores. Ime, these are the strongest mold toxin. Spores go everywhere the air goes and will hatch wherever they find moisture, which is your exposed mucus membranes, raising the immune system load which makes you feel bad if your immunity is not high enough to handle the toxins that mold excretes. It is believed that black mold aspergilis nigris living inside a cell is a necessary ingredient in turning a healthy cell into cancer. Every cancer cell biopsy cultures this mold. This is the black mold that grows on wet wood and sheetrock paper.

Last time you were going to DIY an ozone generator but that doesn't make adequate quantity and why fuck around when you are trying to protect yourself from humans' #1 natural enemy? They have you on the ropes, you need a nuke. You need to flood the house with it, so you need a strong commercial machine. Once you see what it can do you will use it often for the rest of your life. You have compromised immunity or you wouldn't be reactive so badly, so the ozone machine will ease your symptoms while you work to rebuild your immunity.

It can knock down the smell of aldehyde latex paint if it is high enough mg/hour. Mine is this one (http://www.jenesco.com/cart/Ozone-Generators/PT101-2K.html), only 1800mg/h max setting. I put it in the room I am painting and it makes it about half as bad while it is drying, but doesn't totally erase the smell like a more powerful machine would. I would sometimes like a stronger one, like when I visit a hotel room or beach rental with lying broker that says no animals and no smoke and newly redecorated but stinks like a swamp. Mine stops everyone's sneezing but it takes a few hours and I have to run it the whole week. A few hours of 3500 or even 7000mg/h might take it down in one hit. When I bought mine, they were hard to find and all these commercial models on Amazon weren't available to the public. I don't know if they are well built since they are so cheap and made in China, but even if it only works for a couple months it will ease your suffering until you can get out.

If you have a problem with paint fumes (as I do), you should consider using potassium silicate paint. I had my new house painted with Roma products (local to use in Atlanta), and there was absolutely no smell. The guys who own the company say that painters often become sensitive to latex but don't have any issues with potassium silicate. I'm been doing some touch up projects with the wall and trim paints, and there absolutely no odor. And I am very sensitive to VOCs.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: kingdeezie on 3 Jan 2015, 03:53 pm
I know I'm a broken record: but try ozone. It kills bacteria, mold, viruses, and oxidizes VOCs and any other carbon based chemical. I doesn't just kill mold, it dissolves them into nothing, so airborne spores are destroyed too. That is what is bothering you and nothing else can touch them until after they have landed and started growing mold again. That's what makes you sick, when they hatch on your mucus membranes and overload your immune system. You want to destroy spores before they get into you to reduce the toxin load and feel better. 

Your mold problem is confirmed, you know the roof was leaking. The wet wood has been infected with mold, so mold will always be in that wood, and will always infect your house until that wood in the walls is replaced, which will probably never happen. Winter dries out the mold slime and causes it to make spores. Ime, these are the strongest mold toxin. Spores go everywhere the air goes and will hatch wherever they find moisture, which is your exposed mucus membranes, raising the immune system load which makes you feel bad if your immunity is not high enough to handle the toxins that mold excretes. It is believed that black mold aspergilis nigris living inside a cell is a necessary ingredient in turning a healthy cell into cancer. Every cancer cell biopsy cultures this mold. This is the black mold that grows on wet wood and sheetrock paper.

Last time you were going to DIY an ozone generator but that doesn't make adequate quantity and why fuck around when you are trying to protect yourself from humans' #1 natural enemy? They have you on the ropes, you need a nuke. You need to flood the house with it, so you need a strong commercial machine. Once you see what it can do you will use it often for the rest of your life. You have compromised immunity or you wouldn't be reactive so badly, so the ozone machine will ease your symptoms while you work to rebuild your immunity.

It can knock down the smell of aldehyde latex paint if it is high enough mg/hour. Mine is this one (http://www.jenesco.com/cart/Ozone-Generators/PT101-2K.html), only 1800mg/h max setting. I put it in the room I am painting and it makes it about half as bad while it is drying, but doesn't totally erase the smell like a more powerful machine would. I would sometimes like a stronger one, like when I visit a hotel room or beach rental with lying broker that says no animals and no smoke and newly redecorated but stinks like a swamp. Mine stops everyone's sneezing but it takes a few hours and I have to run it the whole week. A few hours of 3500 or even 7000mg/h might take it down in one hit. When I bought mine, they were hard to find and all these commercial models on Amazon weren't available to the public. I don't know if they are well built since they are so cheap and made in China, but even if it only works for a couple months it will ease your suffering until you can get out.

I believe some of your information is incorrect, and potentially could be more harmful than whatever contaminate is within the OPs apartment.

I would suggest reading this.

http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html

According to the environmental protection agency, Ozone is harmful to the respiratory system, and at levels of ozone that are considered within the public health standard parameters, do not do anything to remove mold, bacteria, or spores from the air.

 
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: DaveC113 on 3 Jan 2015, 04:13 pm
I believe some of your information is incorrect, and potentially could be more harmful than whatever contaminate is within the OPs apartment.

I would suggest reading this.

http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html

According to the environmental protection agency, Ozone is harmful to the respiratory system, and at levels of ozone that are considered within the public health standard parameters, do not do anything to remove mold, bacteria, or spores from the air.

 


Salis, I'd just move out! If there are mold/asbestos test kits I'd look into that as there may be a financial advantage to proving that your apartment was uninhabitable and caused you health issues. You may be able to recover your paid rent and deposit while not being required to complete your lease.

Many years ago I used to build corona discharge ozone generators, before you could easily buy them... you can DIY a device that produces massive amounts of ozone using a neon sign trafo, a tube of glass, some hardware cloth and high voltage wire. These are often used inside duct work.

For ozone to be truly effective against mold the treatment area needs to "soak" in very high concentrations of Ozone for some time, at least a few hours. These amounts of Ozone would be very harmful to people and animals.

In addition, it's best to use a large air filter as well, the Ozone will burn whatever particles are in the air and they may not be that great to inhale either.

The upside is that ozone has a very distinct smell... if you smell it there is too much ozone for you to be there.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: JLM on 3 Jan 2015, 05:13 pm
Suggest searching "Indoor Air Quality" and "Sick Building Syndrome".

Dry conditions or mechanical action release mold spores.

If you're renting move out.  If you're buying/owner get a good remediation contractor to do testing and test yourself for allergies.  This is the kind of stuff that cause a total loss of your home (check with your insurance carrier) or can kill you.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 3 Jan 2015, 07:41 pm
I don't have an HVAC/central air. The building is very old, hardwood floors, radiator heating.

What ever it is, it seems to greatly lower my potassium (did I say that?). But also I get cardio congestion somehow.

I'm interesting in having the place tested for monitory reasons. I haven't been diagnosed at the doctors with anything from it. In fact anytime I would have seen them they always say "oh your fine! looking good".... But I've spent a lot of money on supplements, and can't get a significant amount of time back.

Soldering is bad, but I'm aware. Also this problem does not come and go with solder work. I could not solder for months on end and still have the same issue. We're talking around 2 years or so here, maybe more. I switched locations in the building once.

I'm renting, and trying to move out. I've got an app in for another place, but while I want to know within minutes, the property owner isn't in the hurry I am.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: brooklyn on 3 Jan 2015, 08:28 pm
You say you live in an apartment. Could it be possible that people in an adjacent apartment might be cooking up something illegal like meth? I don’t know were you live, just thought I’d mention it as a possibility. Sorry to hear about about your problem.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 3 Jan 2015, 08:38 pm
 :lol: :lol:

The only guy that would have done that moved.

I can be in the hallway and feel my nose begin to clear. It's just my apartment.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: FullRangeMan on 3 Jan 2015, 10:55 pm
The effects are very specific and strong to be caused by your apartment or on the ground.

Seems a more specific source by absorption by contact or ingestion as drink/bath water or even excess vitamins.
Excess vitamins can be fatal.

I had to quite a nice multi Vit after 3 years, I try take it again(after 10 years) but had to stop again, the symptom is headache.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 3 Jan 2015, 11:12 pm
I can't find a relationship to consumption. When I'm home foods bother me, I leave and they don't. Same foods.

There's no relation to vitamins taken. I'm 1000% on that.

Touch is possible, but it seems entirely airborne.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: FullRangeMan on 3 Jan 2015, 11:19 pm
That impressive, if you have a Geiger counter you would look for a radiation source, just for peace of mind.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: gregcss on 3 Jan 2015, 11:39 pm
Pet dander from previous tenants?

http://www.lung.org/healthy-air/home/resources/pet-dander-1.html
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 3 Jan 2015, 11:48 pm
I don't have an allergic reaction. In fact it seems to lower my immune system/response to thing I have allergies too. Previous tenant did not own a cat (bad for me).
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Atlplasma on 4 Jan 2015, 12:20 am
Level - II  Advanced Symptoms of Mold Exposure


The following symptoms of mold exposure have been reported generally as a result from persons being in a mold contaminated environment on and off for an extended period of time. Symptoms are reported to have become more severe and longer lasting directly in proportion to the length of exposure time. Their reported symptoms are as follows:

    Constant Headaches
    Nose Bleeds
    Feelings of Constant Fatigue
    Breathing Disorders
    Coughing up Blood or Black looking Debris
    Nausea
    Diarrhea
    Vomiting
    Loss of Appetite
    Weight Loss
    Hair loss
    Skin Rashes
    Open Sores on the Skin
    Memory Loss "Short Term"
    Neurological & Nervous Disorders
    Sexual Dysfunction
    Swollen Glands in the Neck Area and under the Armpit
    Sudden Asthma Attacks or Breathing Disorders
    Ear Infections and Pain
    Chronic Sinus Infections
    Chronic Bronchitis
    Pain in the Joints and Muscles
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: FullRangeMan on 4 Jan 2015, 12:38 am
That virulent mould may be quite possible.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 4 Jan 2015, 12:46 am
Mold seems most likely. It must be in walls or floor or something. I know mold lowers minerals in people and rats. Food mold was the worst, but I don't have that issue.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: bladesmith on 4 Jan 2015, 12:47 am
You say you live in an apartment. Could it be possible that people in an adjacent apartment might be cooking up something illegal like meth? I don’t know were you live, just thought I’d mention it as a possibility. Sorry to hear about about your problem.

I have heard of that happening... There are people cooking everywhere. In all places. Cooking small batches and large batches. Because the profit is so great.

Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 4 Jan 2015, 12:57 am
It happened near my father's place in the summer. He had bad headaches until they stopped. Mobile labs are an issue in Northwest.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Bemopti123 on 4 Jan 2015, 01:00 am
How many units are there in the apartment complex? If it is a multiunit, I would try to sleep in a different adjacent apartment, perhaps you know someone, and see whether it improves what you feel.  There is too many variables and things that make this entire search for a culprit, something that will be difficult.  Have you ever had mold sensitivity before?  If this is so pernicious, you must have had something similar happening to you before.  So, I would check with that.  How many months do you have left on the lease? Depending on the situation, you can tell the landlord you must move out....it would be better if you have some medical proof saying that the building is making you sick.  If you lived in NYC, plenty of landlords would not mind losing a tenant because of the demand for apartments but I know that other places, it is not the case. 
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 4 Jan 2015, 01:24 am
Lease went month to month awhile ago. I may ask to sleep in another unit.

Mold never made me reactive like my mother, but it's not good for anyone.

Medical proof would be tough, I imagine.

Whether ai solve the issue or not, it's clearly here, so I can leave it behind.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Bemopti123 on 4 Jan 2015, 03:02 am
I would look into another place now that the lease is up.  It is simpler to do this instead of looking for a cause.  If it has never happened to you before, then you can bet it is something about the place. 
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 4 Jan 2015, 03:07 am
The new potential landlord is calling referances, so things are looking up.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Atlplasma on 4 Jan 2015, 03:07 am
Lease went month to month awhile ago. I may ask to sleep in another unit.

Mold never made me reactive like my mother, but it's not good for anyone.

Medical proof would be tough, I imagine.

Whether ai solve the issue or not, it's clearly here, so I can leave it behind.

Sensitivities change over time.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 9 Jan 2015, 01:10 am
I was unable to move into the place I had intended. Fortunately I've found a lot of milk thistle powder helps me some...

The rent here is rather high compared to the what the expected economic market happens to be. Unfortunately I haven't made enough through any form of audio sales to just circumvent the local economy entirely; yet.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: guest61169 on 9 Jan 2015, 06:30 am
I would try to cordon off areas of the apartment temporarily to see if you can isolate it to something in one room.  For example, close the bedroom door and seal under the door with towels and try sleeping in the living room for a night.  Alternatively, try sealing off all the bathroom/sinks/shower drains for a day. 

You don't want to move and bring the problem with you, (like a memory foam mattress or pillow giving off gases) so you have to try to rule out your possessions....by keeping them away from you while you test for a day or two.
Title: Re: Being poisoned by my apartment, but how?
Post by: Folsom on 10 Jan 2015, 09:06 pm
I'll experiment with covering items or areas. Who knows, maybe the impossible to imagine is the possible problem.