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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Home Theater and Video => Topic started by: Folsom on 8 Jan 2013, 09:50 pm
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My mother is looking to replace her current TV (old HDTV projection, had a nice picture but is getting dark, plus it is huge).
She is asking me, and I always tell her it isn't all the fine language so much as the model of the TV specifically.
I've seen numerous HDTV's of sorts, and a lot of them can't seem to display proper color range of skin, and really suck at making you believe low light movie scenes. They are simply often very over saturated.
Advise?
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Plasma. Panasonic and Samsung both have a range of models. How picky is she with the picture?
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Rclark seems to like this one. For $600.00 I don't see how you could beat it.
His got me interested in one. I wonder if he still like's it.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=111957.0
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LED's are LED lit LCDs (whereas old LCDs used fluorescent tubes for back lighting).......but that doesn't have the same marketing ring, so manufacturers keep referring to them as LED sets as if they were completely different.
Often at stores the sets are on "store display mode" which jacks up all the brightness / contrast / etc settings to max, so it's hard to judge quality as if they had their display settings properly. About the only thing you can judge is which is brightest.
With all that said, I think many people including AV magazines agree that for videophiles plasma is still the way to go, and that Panasonic still makes the best ones (among other things because they are one of the few that still make the screens in house). Samsung is usually mentioned as runner up (I think they also still make plasma screens in house).
So going with just about any Panasonic plasma should be a good buy for deep black levels, high contrast levels, and smooth images. The higher your budget allows will progressively give you better picture quality (and more bells & whistles). E.g. The Panasonic ST50 is the entry level series, but highly regarded, whereas the VT50 series is the top of the line & on many lists as the best, but almost double the cost of the ST series.
On the LED/LCD side the victors are less clear cut and more model specific. The Sony X850 series is highly rated. They have a 46 & 55 inch size.
My main issue w/ LED sets is that many process motion in a way that makes the action see "cartoony". Furthermore, all images, whether movie or video, end up looking like they were shot in video. I like my movies to look more cinematic, and for that reason I prefer plasma (and in projection JVC projectors).
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Rclark seems to like this one. For $600.00 I don't see how you could beat it.
His got me interested in one. I wonder if he still like's it.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=111957.0
I absolutely love it. The speed of the display, the richness of the colors, the blacks, fabulous image quality. Big thumbs up. I have a large rear-projector tv in my living room but this plasma is much nicer.
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Thanks for the replies.
She isn't a videophile but why waste money you know?
She is going to have to get a new DVD player with HDMI outs. I think I have explained to her well enough the dangers of buying HDMI cables from the usual places that want $100 for their "good picture quality model". I'll make her buy them from Blue Jeans Cable, save money, and support those dudes that make my favorite interconnects.
I'm not sure which Sony series you refer to. They all have an X in the name.
The Samsung might be a great option even if it doesn't do 1080.
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The Samsung might be a great option even if it doesn't do 1080.
I'm still using a 30 year old 25" sony trinitron. I haven't gotten into video yet.
What's the importants of 1080 OVER 720?
I don't do gaming, just DVD'S and basic cable (Non HD.)
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Nothing. My LCD now sitting in my closet was 1080P. It's just a bit higher resolution, but really the advantage comes into play with very very large screens at close distances.
Most games are only 720P... Bluray looks awesome at 720P.
I figured get this because it looks great, and wait for the next true resolution jump, which is 4K, not 1080P, to begin coming down in price.
With this Sammy Plasma I have, you are not suffering for a little less resolution because the image quality and refresh are so darn good. It's nothing to lose sleep over. I don't.
Mine is 6 feet away at 51" size and I don't feel like it's missing anything.
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One of the unXXeh6000 series Samsung. Pick your size. Add a decent blu-ray player with an apps portfolio (Nextflix, blah, blah, blah) and she'll be set for life.
http://www.hometheater.com/content/samsung-un40eh6000-led-lcd-tv
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It is just a bump up in resolution. It'll be most noticeable probably in sports broadcasts, as I think a lot of HDTV channels are only 720p. A lot of stuff just doesn't go above 720p yet. Blu-Ray however is mostly 1080p.
My dad has an old Sony Trinitron flat screen CRT. It looks freaking awesome with his old Pioneer DV-333 but it is way too damn small for the size of his room. It is like 37" and the distance is like 20ft or something. Kind of silly but some of us don't get to retire with a lot of $. It has component in, which is getting used. I mean the picture is cinematic. It might weigh as much as 3 plasma TV's (it takes two people and even then it is tough to move around) but it is a great TV if your room is small. Yet of course all the shows on TV leave gray bars on the top and bottom now.
I don't watch TV :lol: .
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One of the unXXeh6000 series Samsung. Pick your size. Add a decent blu-ray player with an apps portfolio (Nextflix, blah, blah, blah) and she'll be set for life.
http://www.hometheater.com/content/samsung-un40eh6000-led-lcd-tv
I think she is going to get a PS3 with a remote because she knows for another $100 she'll have a fantastic player that does a lot of things. For $100 less she'll get a junker that feezes up and stuff.
I'll suggest the Samsung LED's too.
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I've got one of those massive 34" Sony CRTs, about 20' from my chair. Looks great but I rent few movies so it's fine for sports, regular cable programs. In another 10 years when it dies I'll see what's out there.
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I think she is down for the Samsung Plasma that Rclark got! With a PS3 and two Blue Jean Cables. Mission accomplished :thumb: . She says Dish Network will set it up for her too; if she can't find the right TV at Costco.
She will be buying next month though most likely.
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I have Panasonic and LG plasma sets and love them both. Only issue for me with Plasma is reflection. If Mom's room has open windows or lights that reflect off the screen it will affect the viewing experience. Not a dealbreaker but putting it out there.
Miss my 34 Sony HD CRT. Still haven't found a Plasma/LCD with a picture as good. Maybe the Pioneer Elite plasma did, but I missed that boat. Speaking of boats, that CRT weighed as much as one.
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Have had a couple of Panny Plasmas, 2nd gen (42" and expensive) and 7th gen (58", half the price, 5x the picture). Plasma's rule! The others are ok, but don't rule. I think LCDs are too bright and thus don't have good contrast. Personal opinion. My folks own a couple Samsung LCDs. Not bad, but I'd rather own Plasmas unless heat was a huge factor, in which case I'd opt for the Samsungs.
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The Super Bowl is in 4 weeks. There may be a nice sale in her future.
My mom just bought a Panasonic plasma herself and she loves it.
There is quite a bit of information coming out about the 4k and some about the 8k sets. Interesting reading if your a science and/or video guy.
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If she needs analog outputs to hook to a receiver or stereo check the back of the TV.
Some only have toslink outputs so they may need to hook up to a DAC.
I'm in that situation.
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Yo dudes, I tried to chime in on this earlier, but had some PC issues I hope are now fixed.
I just went through this same thing with my brother. He purchased a Samsung UN50ES6580, 50" LED, from Samsung.com on Cyber Monday. Bottom line is we were never able to get the picture to look right even with all of the very god support that Samsung offered.
He was able to return it, and is now waiting for delivery of a Panny TC P50GT50. He has to stay with a 50" to fit in his e-center.
The couple of issues he had were ghosting, edge light leakage, and the Motion Plus was a joke. The Smart Hub was pretty cool though.
Sports are his big thing along with a few movies now and then, no games. He also purchased the Samsung BD-E6500 which has the Smart Hub installed and will work on any HDTV. Samsung gave him a hard time for he return, but after being persistant he got results from the supervisor's, supervisor's, supervisor. :roll:
When things settle down from our Sandy issues we will be getting the Panny TC P50GT50 and an Oppo 103. :thumb:
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I'm still using a 30 year old 25" sony trinitron. I haven't gotten into video yet.
What's the importants of 1080 OVER 720?
I don't do gaming, just DVD'S and basic cable (Non HD.)
A good article by CNET about the differences between 720 and 1080p: http://reviews.cnet.com/720p-vs-1080p-hdtv/ (http://reviews.cnet.com/720p-vs-1080p-hdtv/).
Just about only Blu-ray and some video games are 1080p. HD tv is 720p or 1080i which most 720p TVs will do. "Today's high-def broadcasts are done in either 1080i or 720p, and there's little or no chance they'll jump to 1080p any time soon, because of bandwidth issues."
I bought a 50 inch LG plasma (http://www.hhgregg.com/lg-50-class-720p-plasma-hdtv-49-9-actual-diagonal-size-/item/50PA4500 (http://www.hhgregg.com/lg-50-class-720p-plasma-hdtv-49-9-actual-diagonal-size-/item/50PA4500)) Not as well reviewed as rclark's Samsung but I got it for 500$. And I think the picture is stunning. Here is the CNET review for rclark's Sammy which they call "best budget plasma": http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn51e450/4505-6482_7-35169613.html (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn51e450/4505-6482_7-35169613.html)
Personally I don't think I would really recommend getting a 50 inch plasma to watch non HD tv unless sitting far away. Honestly regular tv was probably as good on my old 32 Sony crt.
I think Plasma is stunning but if you will be watching a lot during daytime hours in a room with a lot of windows I would look at LCD or LED as the plasma screen turns into a mirror...
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just close the curtain or set the tv to dynamic mode, it's really not an issue. LCD's are irritating to watch when there is a lot going on and they judder during large motion pans. My other flat is a Samsung 1080p lcd and the image just isn't as vibrant, pretty, and easy on the eyes. Plasma screen draws you in.
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The light is not an issue for me but for anyone watching a lot during the day it could be an issue if you don't want to sit around all day with the curtains drawn...
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The sun never beams in her windows, because of where she lives, but she watched during the day a lot with blinds open. Would it be a deal breaker? I don't know if I can talk her into spending more than $1k on a TV, if even up to that much. But I know quiet well that most of those cheap LED/LCD's certainly look dumb.
Her current TV is hard to watch during the day so that is one reason she wants a new TV. But it a projection TV from like 2002 or something. (a nice one, HDTV panasonic, but still, getting old)
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The light is not an issue for me but for anyone watching a lot during the day it could be an issue if you don't want to sit around all day with the curtains drawn...
Like I said, dynamic mode. It's not like the screen is a polished silver mirror, it's alright. If you turn on some lights, that makes it even better. It's really not an issue. Mine sits directly across from a window.
The BIG payoff comes when it gets dark... More than makes up for any fiddling you might have to do during the day.
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The sun never beams in her windows, because of where she lives, but she watched during the day a lot with blinds open. Would it be a deal breaker? I don't know if I can talk her into spending more than $1k on a TV, if even up to that much. But I know quiet well that most of those cheap LED/LCD's certainly look dumb.
Her current TV is hard to watch during the day so that is one reason she wants a new TV. But it a projection TV from like 2002 or something. (a nice one, HDTV panasonic, but still, getting old)
No, it's such a minor issue when you compare the trade off in image quality vs LCD. And you can work around it. Go walk into a tv warehouse during daylight hours with light coming in from the shop front and you will see it's a mountain being made out of a molehill.
Turn on dynamic mode (designed for bright environments), and you can even turn on a light or two, and light from a window is no bother.
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I am mildly concerned because I don't think my mother wants to have to press anything besides the on/off button.
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set and forget.
Plus the modes I spoke of are the very first options under the menu button on the remote. It's very not overwhelming at all. Samsung's gui is very user friendly, probably better than the one on her rear projector.
Either way, good luck finding a tv that doesn't have some menu's to navigate when you set it up, these days.
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Hi all Audio Circle members.
That's why I am reluctant to buy a flat screen TV,
their remote control need you to be a computer programmer...
Guy 13
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I just want the OP to make a well informed decision...
And the CNET review brings this up about the LG: "The screen is quite reflective, though; as a result it showed more of the "shiny" things in the room than a TV like the Samsung E450 would."
Here is the what the reviewer from CNET thinks about the Samsung in daylight : "Bright lighting: The E450 has a glossy, grayish screen finish similar to that of the E550 and the Panasonics, which washes out quite a bit in a well-lit room. Blacks on the E450 look brown when viewed in a lit room, and if you have the misfortune to sit underneath a window, then you'll see that reflected quite clearly in the Samsung. The otherwise-inferior LG PA6500 is actually a better performer in the light, but if you're looking for an extraordinary lit-room performance in a plasma, you're unfortunately going to have to pay a lot more and get a TV like the Panasonic ST50 or Samsung PNE6500."
Mind you there might be a setting such as Rclark outlined that the CNET guy overlooked. And he has real world experience with it.
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Sounds like OP would be happier with Plasma and OP's mom would be happier with LCD. Tough choice...
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Sounds like OP would be happier with Plasma and OP's mom would be happier with LCD. Tough choice...
She would like anything that isn't bad. She doesn't care that much except about price. The Plasmas are way cheaper than the good LED LCD.
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I don't have an e40? They have all different types. that must be their low end, they say to not have a problem, step up to a different model.
If I had a problem with reflections I tooootally would have returned it. I had 30 days.
I'm guessing it's a big issue on Django's set.
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I'. Watching mine right now. The window is drawn up and my lights are on and the tv is fine. Just don't put t directly in the path of the window or close the blinds a bit. Not some insurmountable big issue. I put on a movie and all I see is the movie and there is light coming in from all directions.
it is more reflective than an LCD, but just dont stick it right in front of a window and you're set. When material is playing it's all you will see.
It is an issue when compared to LCD, but is vastly compensated for by image quality and speed.
I would take her into a shop to see if it's ok. Plasmas look better at home all.calibrated, but the shop will give you some idea. The plasmas will be just more pleasant to look at than the lcds.
Some will mess with the blue settings to make the LCD's pop at you in order to sell.them, however.
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She would like anything that isn't bad. She doesn't care that much except about price. The Plasmas are way cheaper than the good LED LCD.
Well you can't beat getting a free TV from your son and having him buy a new one for himself.
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I don't have an e40? They have all different types. that must be their low end, they say to not have a problem, step up to a different model.
If I had a problem with reflections I tooootally would have returned it. I had 30 days.
I'm guessing it's a big issue on Django's set.
What model do you have?
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She would like anything that isn't bad. She doesn't care that much except about price. The Plasmas are way cheaper than the good LED LCD.
My last 2 cents worth:
Just about any set sold today over 37 inches will be 1080p anyway, so don't sweat that.
Plasma still seems to offer the best bang for the buck, particularly in the larger sizes. I'd get her a Panasonic TC-P50UT50, the entry level 50 inch for about $700. The 55 inch version is sold by Costco for $100 more and they have the most liberal returns if your concerned about that. It doesn't have the front filter of the ST 50 model to deal with bright ambient light, but it's $300 less and I doubt she would notice.
Lastly, don't turn up the nose at $100 blu ray players. I have many thousand invested in the home theater system and still use a one year old $100 Panasonic blu ray player. The upper level models have more bells and whistles, but don't otherwise offer better image or sound, particularly when your using a decent receiver or processor.
Best of luck!
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Well you can't beat getting a free TV from your son and having him buy a new one for himself.
I don't own a TV... She has vastly more money than I do, as well.
Samsung has a nice "find it local" option so someone will probably set it up for her too, from her town.
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She has no surround sound btw. I always tell her I'd make a stereo for her, because she loves some music. She likes to relax and clean and stuff at home so music is great for her. That will just be some other day in the future.
I think she likes the idea that the PS3 can show pictures, videos, etc. Plus it acts as a Netflix device! That saves quiet a bit since at that point she'd have to get an HDMI switching box at the same time as a Roku or Apple thing.
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Destroyer, definitely check out Costco right now. This past Monday I looked at a 60" LG 1080p plasma there that was on sale for $799...$300 off the regular price. They also had a 51" Samsung plasma for low $500s as I recall. Also a 50" Panny plasma, 1080p, in the same price range.
I picked up a 43" Samsung plasma last October at Walmart...love it. It was on sale in December for $378. I paid $398 for mine in October.
I know Missoula has a Costco...been in it many times ; )
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Mother does not live here.
Maybe she can look there and relay what they have to me, I'll see if they got any 490 or ST models.
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She has no surround sound btw. I always tell her I'd make a stereo for her, because she loves some music. She likes to relax and clean and stuff at home so music is great for her. That will just be some other day in the future.
I think she likes the idea that the PS3 can show pictures, videos, etc. Plus it acts as a Netflix device! That saves quiet a bit since at that point she'd have to get an HDMI switching box at the same time as a Roku or Apple thing.
The included speakers in my tv are passable, but the set is meant to be back against a wall otherwise it gets muddy.
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Oh, one other HUUUUUUUUUGE advantage for plasma is it doesn't matter where you sit or how high or low you are. LCD's are VERY DIRECTIONAL and there is a tiny sweetspot for optimal viewing.
My previous tv, now sitting in the closet, was a very nice quality Samsung LCD, it was their upper midrange model 4 years ago, it was 32 inch, but expensive for its size because I wanted quality for use as a large computer monitor too. Anyway, that thing was very hard on the eyes if you weren't sitting dead in front of it.
LCD's are pretty much only good if you're looking at them dead on, if your laptop screen or computer monitor is an lcd you know what's up there.