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Title: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Dishman442 on 11 Nov 2020, 04:21 am
Ok, so don’t shoot me. I’m asking if any of you have tried fuse upgrades and if so, what fuse in what gear and what did you hear?  The only reason I’m brave enough to ask is that I read somewhere that Klaus (gasp) stocks some of them. It is my belief Klaus’s bull shit meter is set pretty sensitive so if he stocks them, he probably heard something.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: klaus@odyssey on 11 Nov 2020, 11:16 am
Yes and no....some do and others might be a sidestep.....call me..
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Dishman442 on 11 Nov 2020, 11:51 am
I will call you.  If we are going to discuss things on the hairy edge, I’ll also ask you about graphite/graphine based connection improvement products and cryogenic treatment. It’ll be fun. I’ll bring the S’mores.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: klaus@odyssey on 11 Nov 2020, 12:42 pm
Oh boy !!!
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Post by: Dieterle Tool on 11 Nov 2020, 03:20 pm
Subscribed...  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: genjamon on 11 Nov 2020, 05:33 pm
I definitely hear clear differences (and improvements) in my Kismet in Khartago case with those I ended up with.  Have upgraded all the fuses in the amp.  But I'm quite curious what Klaus has to say too regarding choices.  May have to call him myself one day.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Dishman442 on 11 Nov 2020, 06:34 pm
Mind telling me which fuses you ended up with?  I have the same kismet/Khartago monos.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: genjamon on 11 Nov 2020, 07:40 pm
I heard a friend's same amp side by side with my own (was trying to use one to diagnose a noise issue in the other), and he had Synergistic red's on the board while mine had stock fuses.  His sounded a lot better.  Afterward, I rebiased my amp, and that didn't address the differential much.  So, then I tried several sets on the cheaper end of things - can't afford to go with $100+ per fuse when there are four fuses on the board and one for power input.  I tried some all-copper mass-produced fuses (Schurter, I think), also maybe AMR and/or original Hifi Tuning, and then finally Furutech/Padis.  The latter were the cleanest, though they do take a while to stop sounding brittle and come into their own due to the rhodium plating (like around 300 hours!).  So, these are what I ended up with, and got them for around $35/each from folks who were blowing out inventory due to their being discontinued.  If they ever blow, then I guess I'll have to either invest a lot more or live with stock.  I found the AMR and Hifi Tuning to be somewhat improvements, but also could have just been lateral.  Not entirely sure on those.  I'd love to hear the latest Synergistic Research Orange, but too rich for my blood.  The Reds in my buddy's old amp seemed to make a great difference (assuming that was the reason for the sonic differences I heard).   
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: klaus@odyssey on 11 Nov 2020, 08:09 pm
You're on the right track here......
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Longandstraight on 17 Nov 2020, 02:25 am
I have SR blacks on the rails and SR orange on the IEC with the recently upgraded Kismet Monos. Huge upgrade.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Dishman442 on 17 Nov 2020, 04:13 am
Thanks, that helps. What did you hear with this upgrade?
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: maxima95 on 17 Nov 2020, 04:45 pm
I found the value/characteristics of the 4 rail fuses in the Stratos Stereo.

What are they for the power input fuse?

Thanks
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: geerock on 18 Nov 2020, 08:45 pm
I found the value/characteristics of the 4 rail fuses in the Stratos Stereo.

What are they for the power input fuse?

Thanks

6.3 on regular,  10 amps on Extreme amps...SLOW BLOW,  5x20 mm
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: klaus@odyssey on 18 Nov 2020, 08:53 pm
Yes,  but 6.3's  FAST  blow inside....if anybody wants to upgrade their Odyssey amps,  call me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: maxima95 on 19 Nov 2020, 09:24 pm
Thank you for the information.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Longandstraight on 20 Nov 2020, 03:30 am
Thanks, that helps. What did you hear with this upgrade?

The blacks where on the rails when I bought the amp along with black in the IEC. Upgraded to the Orange. Just more good of everything. Instrument layering, just a more defined sound all the way around. 
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Lkdog on 22 Nov 2020, 06:36 pm
Yes,  but 6.3's  FAST  blow inside....if anybody wants to upgrade their Odyssey amps,  call me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So Klaus- what brands of fuses do you suggest when people wish to swap out the stock fuses??
And which seem to have more impact on the Kismets- the power inlet fuses or the main board fuses?



Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: GM1055 on 29 Nov 2020, 05:52 am
I put in Synergistic Research Orange fuses into my Stratos Kismit monoblocks and they are Amazing . I got them from Klaus,call him and order some you will be amazed!!!!!
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Lkdog on 29 Nov 2020, 06:01 am
I put in Synergistic Research Orange fuses into my Stratos Kismit monoblocks and they are Amazing . I got them from Klaus,call him and order some you will be amazed!!!!!


So what was different from stock?
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: GM1055 on 29 Nov 2020, 04:31 pm
The bass was incredible, I have Odyssey Liquids
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Hopeful on 3 Dec 2020, 11:47 pm
Use the SR Orange fuse and it makes a noticeable difference.  Mush more open and liquid.  Not cheap but make my Kismet sound even better.

ps. blew the orange fuse have ordered another one.  ouch :duh:
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Lkdog on 6 Dec 2020, 01:28 am
Use the SR Orange fuse and it makes a noticeable difference.  Mush more open and liquid.  Not cheap but make my Kismet sound even better.

ps. blew the orange fuse have ordered another one.  ouch :duh:

That is a concern. I ordered some Furutechs for the A.C. Main inputs for a fairly good price from Analogue Seduction. Will see if those makes a difference.

I replaced the 4 fast blow fuses with Schurter ceramic fuses for cheap.
Can't say it made a difference. The noise floor was already really low. Certainly didn't hurt.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: genjamon on 6 Dec 2020, 01:39 am
You’ll notice a difference with the Furutech. But expect it to sound hard for well more than 200 hours. Don’t give up on them until 350 hours or so.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: GM1055 on 6 Dec 2020, 02:29 pm
Go with the SR Orange fuses, there inexpensive, and don't look back, there that GOOD!
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Lkdog on 7 Dec 2020, 10:25 pm
Go with the SR Orange fuses, there inexpensive, and don't look back, there that GOOD!

$160 a pop each for 2 fuses is sort of not inexpensive, LOL.
A few guys have them blow on them which would really suck.
It happens. The Furutech Pure Transmissions I ordered were under $95 for the pair.
Would love to try SR Oranges as I hear good things about them, but I already dump too much money into this hobby!
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: jeffb28451 on 8 Dec 2020, 05:37 pm
Although the amps are quite new, the Synergistic orange fuses are a pricy, but worthwhile upgrade. Move the amps articulation up a notch or two, for sure.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Hopeful on 9 Dec 2020, 01:45 am
I use the SR Orange fuse in the Kismet and it makes a positive difference.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Subdusted on 23 Jan 2021, 09:34 am
SR Orange are the way to go. However, you need to get at least one value up, this is actually a manufacturer's recommendation.
They work a little different. It should also address the fuse  blowing issue.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Lkdog on 28 Jan 2021, 05:58 am
Just to double check, what value fuse are people ordering for the IEC in a Kismet?? 10 Amp?

I am tempted to try a pair as there is a 3 for 2 sale right now through January.



Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Dishman442 on 28 Jan 2021, 06:23 am
Has anyone tried just the rail fuse(s) or just the board fuses?  Which were more impactful?
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: genjamon on 28 Jan 2021, 02:20 pm
I lived with just the board fuses upgraded for quite a while, then only recently upgraded the main fuse. It was too long ago for the board fuses to say which one was greater, but the short answer is the both matter, and not just a little.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: qdrone on 22 Feb 2021, 11:52 pm
I replaced the 4 fuses on the rails in my Plinius Mark lll after I got it back from modifications with Synergistic Orange but did not replace the power fuse. I hear a huge difference when I run it in A bias,not so much b bias.
Did the full treatment to my Musical Concepts modified  Adcom 750 pre amp and noticed a moderate difference.
Since I use a Tice Power Block / Titan combo for power clean up didnt think it was necessary to do power fuse.
Thinking of dropping a Orange fuse in my Tice Power Block. My Kismet Odyssey Lorelei's  sound awesome.
Title: Re: Fuse upgrades?
Post by: Dr Pain on 4 Apr 2021, 05:59 pm
I put in Synergistic Research Orange fuses into my Stratos Kismit monoblocks and they are Amazing . I got them from Klaus,call him and order some you will be amazed!!!!!

I highly agree. The Stratos Monoblocks are great amps, but replacing the internal and IEC fuses with SR Orange fuses takes these amps to a higher level.