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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: James Tanner on 8 Mar 2015, 02:25 pm
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116409)
James
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Cheeeez for a second there I thought you meant Target Dept Stores ! :duh:: Those stands can be mass loaded with sand or lead shot I believe: :thumb:
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Never knew they left :(.. been using Target stands for as long as I’ve been using Bryston…30 years. :thumb:
To me they always went hand in hand.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82707)
Current…HR60s (speakers) , AER 3 tier (gear)… and VW1 wall mount for turntable….
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They made great stuff. I had a couple of their equipment racks at one point, one filled with Target heavy metal pellets and one will lead shot (no I did not A/B them :lol:). I ended up giving one to my brother and I framed around one in the old house and left it in the basement.
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................ Those stands can be mass loaded with sand or lead shot I believe: :thumb:
Actually a mixture of both works best...... :D
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They made great stuff. I had a couple of their equipment racks at one point, one filled with Target heavy metal pellets and one will lead shot (no I did not A/B them :lol:). I ended up giving one to my brother and I framed around one in the old house and left it in the basement.
Hi Phil
Do you have any shots of the component equipment racks as it is one area I want to resurrect.
james
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Hi James
Not to speak for Phil….but the AER series was IMHO the best, believe they were discontinued though…?
Found this shot of the one I’m currently using.. all one piece welded construction..and 19” width…
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116423)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=66977)
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And not to forget their dedicated amp stands.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116424)
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Or the matching wall mounts. :wink:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116426)
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My entire professional career has been in environmental protection. My college education was focused on that and my first professional job was with a newly-formed US EPA working on the infamous Cuyahoga River and other rivers in Ohio. I have seen many changes in environmental regulations and attitudes. At the beginning of my career it was “Who the hell are you and what do you want?” At the end of my career I was used to industry compliance officials saying to me “Don, tell me what we have to do and we will do it”.
James, I am sure your company has made changes in production to comply with industry-wide regulations for reducing hazardous materials in finished products sold in North America and the Eurozone and maybe other locations. Lead is one of those regulated materials. Please join me in enlightening the audiophile community by discouraging the use of lead shot in speaker stands. It would be helpful if you could post something here and on the website pages for speaker stands that Bryston markets.
Everyone please note:
When you sell your speaker stands be sure and tell potential buyers that you contaminated them with a hazardous substance.
Also note that when you remove the lead or lead/sand mix to make the items lighter for shipping the fill is a hazardous waste and must be disposed of in accordance with state and federal regulations. I worked in environmental compliance for 20 years so this is not just an opinion---it's the law. Separating the lead from sand is virtually impossible and even if it was possible the abrasive sand would probably still contain levels of the soft lead that would be classified as hazardous waste.
Most people are not going to take the time to try to recycle lead shot especially if it is mixed with sand. But the recycling problem does not end there. I called a couple of the larger recycling companies in my area. They said they recycled lead but not in shot form. They are not set up to handle loose material.
But it is not just the disposal of lead that is a problem. The mining and smelting of lead (including smelting recycled lead) also creates an environmental consequence in both air and water pollution. Sand is much greener. There is less environmental impact in the production and disposal.
Regulations have been passed to reduce or eliminate even minor amounts of lead and other toxic materials from new electronic equipment and to recover and recycle materials that have been used. Lead is a four letter word. It does not belong in our electronics and it does not belong in our speaker stands.
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Why do not make the hole a little larger and fill it with exotic stones and you can always remove and sell them to cover the big loss that you had on the speaker itself?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116434)
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My entire professional career has been in environmental protection. My college education was focused on that and my first professional job was with a newly-formed US EPA working on the infamous Cuyahoga River and other rivers in Ohio. I have seen many changes in environmental regulations and attitudes. At the beginning of my career it was “Who the hell are you and what do you want?” At the end of my career I was used to industry compliance officials saying to me “Don, tell me what we have to do and we will do it”.
James, I am sure your company has made changes in production to comply with industry-wide regulations for reducing hazardous materials in finished products sold in North America and the Eurozone and maybe other locations. Lead is one of those regulated materials. Please join me in enlightening the audiophile community by discouraging the use of lead shot in speaker stands. It would be helpful if you could post something here and on the website pages for speaker stands that Bryston markets.
Everyone please note:
When you sell your speaker stands be sure and tell potential buyers that you contaminated them with a hazardous substance.
Also note that when you remove the lead or lead/sand mix to make the items lighter for shipping the fill is a hazardous waste and must be disposed of in accordance with state and federal regulations. I worked in environmental compliance for 20 years so this is not just an opinion---it's the law. Separating the lead from sand is virtually impossible and even if it was possible the abrasive sand would probably still contain levels of the soft lead that would be classified as hazardous waste.
Most people are not going to take the time to try to recycle lead shot especially if it is mixed with sand. But the recycling problem does not end there. I called a couple of the larger recycling companies in my area. They said they recycled lead but not in shot form. They are not set up to handle loose material.
But it is not just the disposal of lead that is a problem. The mining and smelting of lead (including smelting recycled lead) also creates an environmental consequence in both air and water pollution. Sand is much greener. There is less environmental impact in the production and disposal.
Regulations have been passed to reduce or eliminate even minor amounts of lead and other toxic materials from new electronic equipment and to recover and recycle materials that have been used. Lead is a four letter word. It does not belong in our electronics and it does not belong in our speaker stands.
Hi Don
Yes we use these and we call them "Bryston Balls"
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116435)
james
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James,
Bryston Balls are way cool. :bowdown:
Link please. I could not find them on your website or via Google. Please consider offering them via Audio Advisor. That would give greater exposure and help discourage the use of lead by offering an "audiophile certified" alternative. :thumb:
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And not to forget their dedicated amp stands.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116424)
I had one of those too - forgot about it. Gave it away when I moved last year. In the old place, I used to have my 6BSST (for the center and rears) and a Marantz monoblock on it (rear center) and have them behind a couch (as my main system was too full of equipment - one of the reasons I decided to move away from disc playback as I had the LD player and at one point three transports, then two transports, then one and that's what I have now - one transport to the DAC - an Oppo which is my video player).
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57359)
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The above was when I was disconnecting the system in the old place. I had no place for the Target Rack in the new place and it would be a pain since it was filled so I left it.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=43103)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=43104)
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Hi Don
Yes we use these and we call them "Bryston Balls"
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116435)
james
James,
We all know by now, that Bryston has balls. Then why do not put them at work. :lol: :thumb:
By the way, it is a great idea.
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By the way, it is a great idea.
At what cost? How much are the 300 rubber covered steel balls required to fill the Mini T stands?
Steve
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=43104)
Very clean installation - it looks awesome :thumb:
Be well...
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Very clean installation - it looks awesome :thumb:
Be well...
Thanks,
Was the old place. Main system was an integrated 2-channel and HT and the basement was used for daytime TV (like weekend football) and movies. Those are LDs on the shelves on one side, CDs on the other and the shelves above it (which show in photo from a greater distance) are for DVDs or Blu-Rays. The CD and DVD storage were Middle Atlantic racks (made for a 19 inch rack) which I recessed into the unfinished part of the basement and put a frame around. The new place doesn't have as much storage so except for Blu-Rays, all my media is in closets (and since I use file playback for music it is not a big deal and I take out a DVD now and then).
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At what cost? How much are the 300 rubber covered steel balls required to fill the Mini T stands?
Steve
I do not know at what cost, but cost never been an object in my life and I have never owned monitor speakers either studio designs or garden.
1.The lead kills you.
2.Solid steel is heavy.
3.Sand is not heavy enough.
4.Bryston balls are expensive.
Do have any better idea?
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I originally had a 64 inch old RPTV recessed into the wall in the old place but ran PVC in the ceiling and when I got rid of the 260 pound beast I put a shelf on the side of the soffit for the projector along with a trap door to get to the wiring, built a stand for the center behind the screen and recessed the center into the wall. In the pic below, underneath the counter with the basement pole I covered up there is a passive sub going to the little PSB surrounds I had (left those in the old house too). I painted the sheetrock behind the rack black and cut a big opening so I could easily get to the wiring as there was plenty of room in the unfinished part of the basement. No basement (in FL).
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=26459)
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I do not know at what cost, but cost never been an object in my life and I have never owned monitor speakers either studio designs or garden.
1.The lead kills you.
2.Solid steel is heavy.
3.Sand is not heavy enough.
4.Bryston balls are expensive.
Do have any better idea?
Yes - I filled one rack with lead (my brother has that one) - wore gloves. Target had these heavy metal pellets they used to sell and I had those in the rack in the pics above. How about these?
http://www.amazon.com/10000-Bbs-0-12g-Airsoft-Guns/dp/B001AHSK2M
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• 300 Rubber covered marble size ball weights needed per ‘pair’ of Mini T Stands
• Includes 4 notched metal disks (see above) to cap stand bottom and assist in wire management
• 300 ball weights fills 16 inches x 4 of stand pillars
• Compatible with all speaker stands
BRYSTON Stand Weights - Specifications
Dimension of each Ball 0.7 in. / 18.05 mm diameter
Price Per 300 Pieces - $200 List Price
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It will be great to finally see Bryston stand mount speakers with SUBSTANTIAL stands under them!!
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Just to quote James
http://www.audioaficionado.org/bryston-audio/30581-target-returns.html
Bryston proudly welcomes Target Audio Products to our complete line of high performance audio equipment. We are the exclusive international distributor.
Music lovers and sound quality experts have long known that “bookshelf” speakers perform best when coupled to robust high quality loudspeaker stands. In 1981, Target pioneered the concept of high mass, highrigidity stands. Weighing up to 44 pounds (20 kgs.) per stand, today’s Target products are fully manufactured in North America and represent the finest quality, best sounding stands available for loudspeakers of all price categories. Each stand is constructed of hotrolled steel and is finished in a rugged yet attractive powdercoat ensuring years of durability.
A Natural Partnership
Like Bryston, Target manufactures top-quality products based on the science of sound without dubious claims of uncertain merit. Both brands are based in Ontario, Canada which ensures a streamlined quality control and distribution strategy Beyond Bryston Loudspeakers Target offers 4 lines of increasingly robust stands each available in heights ranging from 20 inches to 28 inches designed for compatibility with virtually all shelf and stand-mount loudspeakers.
For More Information
Contact Bryston for further information including where to buy or to offer Target to your customers.
And now they're made in Canada eh! Well I'll be........didn't know that....definitely saves on shipping.
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Phil, I don't know how effective the polystyrene BBs will be in deadening vibration in the stand, as the weight of 10000 of them is only about 2.6 lbs.. It might be a very cheap experiment. Walmart or Kmart may also sell these airsoft BBs. The make much heavier ones, see links.
0.20g http://www.amazon.com/TSD-Competition-Grade-biodegradable-airsoft/dp/B001DHC214/ref=pd_bxgy_sg_text_y
0.26g http://www.amazon.com/TSD-Tactical-Biodegradeable-White-Airsoft/dp/B001DHC21Y/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1425860474&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=10000+Bb%27s+0.26g+6mm+for+Airsoft+Guns
And finally, pick your poison up to 0.36g http://www.amazon.com/ThunderBBs-Airsoft-0-12-Competition-Grade/dp/B00CNJ7D1A/ref=pd_sim_sg_54?ie=UTF8&refRID=0ETB7911WZ1EGCYNQXEB
Scotty
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You're probably right. The Target Heavy Metal filler was the best but good luck finding that (I probably got mine at Audio Advisor 15 years ago). There's all kinds of stuff - http://www.petco.com/product/115883/Petco-Black-Aquarium-Sand.aspx?AID=11030085&PID=6146857&SID=i717abpnqc0027jz00zgy&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.petco.com%2Fproduct%2F115883%2FPetco-Black-Aquarium-Sand.aspx&cm_mmc=CJ-_-CID-_-6146857-_-11030085
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For a more permanent solution, poured cement into a pair once….just make sure one spays the insides with rust prevention first..worked out fairly well.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116567)
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116568)
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James,
Bryston's promotional brochures for Target speaker stands encourage the use of "shot". Most people will automatically associate that with lead shot, not steel or other materials like BBs.
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James,
Bryston's promotional brochures for Target speaker stands encourage the use of "shot". Most people will automatically associate that with lead shot, not steel or other materials like BBs.
Ok will change that
james
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Thank you James. Handled with all the class we have come to expect from Bryston. :beer:
Please do not feel singled out. A couple of years ago I took the editors of TAS to task for something they published mentioning using lead shot for speaker stand fill. To their credit they published my letter and an apology.
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I know lead is toxic, but as long as it is handled properly it shouldn't be a problem when used in tightly bolted speaker stands, right? Obviously, lead is not ideal (for health/safety) and I understand discouraging use of it, but it is pretty cheap and quite heavy.
Glad to see Target stands being distributed by a successful company. Target makes very VERY good gear, that is sensibly priced.
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Hi Phil
Do you have any shots of the component equipment racks as it is one area I want to resurrect.
james
James
I did a quick search on Google images - various component equipment racks shown
Steven :thumb:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=target+audio+stands&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=709&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wrD_VIbILYTasATmnYKABg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
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James
I did a quick search on Google images - various component equipment racks shown
Steven :thumb:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=target+audio+stands&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=709&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wrD_VIbILYTasATmnYKABg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
Thanks Steven :thumb:
james
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They use to make racks with either glass shelves (like the one in my pic) or with wood ones (I had one of each at one point). The wood ones looked like this:
http://img.usaudiomart.com/uploads/large/564160-target_audio_b4_rack.jpg
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I know lead is toxic, but as long as it is handled properly it shouldn't be a problem when used in tightly bolted speaker stands, right? Obviously, lead is not ideal (for health/safety) and I understand discouraging use of it, but it is pretty cheap and quite heavy.
Glad to see Target stands being distributed by a successful company. Target makes very VERY good gear, that is sensibly priced.
The issue is not when it is in the stands. It is before and after. Lead is forever. The environmental term is persistent. Lead has been removed from paint, gasoline, and electronics because it does not go away or degrade. In some areas it has been banned for hunting. The mining and smelting of lead ore causes environmental damage. Eventually the lead needs to be recycled or disposed of.
The green hierarchy is reduce, reuse recycle. So please be green. Do not use lead for speaker ballast. It is not just about ourselves. It is about our great, great, (keep adding "great") grandchildren.
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I generally agree with green practices, though I don't like them being pushed on me. Here's something to think about....
Keep in mind we're talking about adding lead to stands, not taking lead and throwing it in a landfill. These stands are intended to last a LONG time, and could likely last several generations of great grandchildren. So, if one were to use lead (perhaps even recycled lead which was already mined at one point), one would actually be taking lead out of circulation and putting it to use somewhere where it won't be harmful. Green(er), yes? Perhaps this would be even MORE green than buying newly made steel ballast, where I'm sure lead and other newly mined materials are being used (or stripped), in the manufacturing process.
People have a tendency to overlook the processes involved just to make "green" products. Often, these processes are NOT green at all. Look into the process of building hybrid vehicle batteries, for instance. NOT green, by ANY stretch of the imagination. This is just an example. I think we need to look further into how we think about "green" products sometimes, before simply stating that something is or isn't green whether or not the end product is intended/marketed to be green or not.
Sorry for the thread derail, but I had to object a little to the idea that lead ballast is any worse to use than anything else (other than maybe sand), beyond potential health risks during handling.
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RDavidson,
I am not talking about all green products. Raising doubts about them is raising straw soldiers. Not the point here.
OK so sometimes lead stays in a speaker stand for a long time-but not forever. That takes it out of circulation and requires that additional lead be mined and smelted to make up the difference. If recycled lead goes into a speaker stand then it does not go into car batteries and new lead must be produced. Your argument that using lead in speaker stands is green is flawed. You are trying very hard to defend a position that is indefensible.
Eventually speaker stands get sold and have to be emptied to move or shipped. Or maybe the owner is moving cross country and does not want to pay to have lead moved. Or the stands get abandoned in place behind walls.
Dealing with sand is so easy compared to lead. Does lead really offer superior performance? If it does is it worth the environmental costs? Or is it just over-the-top obsession?
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I just fill my stands with good old coal tar, provides a nice sludgey damping affect to the metal tubing...uh oh, nope, coal tar isn't good either, another potential environmental disaster in the makings!
Just kidding, and really, nothing to kid about. Good to be aware of these types of things and have alternatives that don't harm our world, but still gets the job done.
Also glad about Target, about time that they are back!
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Don S,
not sure why you're getting so defensive about this. My point is simply that the use of lead shot, particularly lead shot made of recycled lead as ballast, is not necessarily worse than anything other than sand. That's ALL I'm saying. And I'm not doubting ALL green products. I'm merely pointing out that not all green products are as green as they seem. Trying to argue life cycle or ownership time of anything is a straw soldier at best, also. I wouldn't promote the use of lead as ballast, but I wouldn't necessarily shun it in ALL cases either. At least the lead shot could be reused or recycled again.....unlike that hybrid car battery.
As you said, all lead stays in circulation regardless if it is newly mined or recycled......so, I argue, if it is already mined, why is it less green to put it to use in something that isn't environmentally harmful versus just letting it be used in perhaps even worse ways? Again, we're talking about the use of it in stands, which I'm sure is but a microfraction of how it is normally used or what it is normally manufactured for.
I do understand the concept that whatever is taken out of circulation will get replaced via more mining. BUT, unless one uses sand, I really don't think steel ballast or anything along these lines that require materials and resources as well as manufacturing processes are "more" green or have a longer life/use cycle. Understand what I'm saying?
Again, I'm not promoting the use of lead, but I'm also not against it if one decides to use it for something that isn't really worse for the environment than some alternatives. If one is truly concerned, use sand. At the end of the day, it is likely that sand filled stands will be plenty heavy and be sonically fine for the majority of stand mount speaker applications. I use sand in my stands today.
1. Sand is cheap
2. Sand is heavy enough for my stands / speakers
3. I have more things to worry about than if steel ballast or lead ballast or sand will seriously transform the sound of my stand mounted speakers. Just deaden the stands. Add sufficient weight (based on the size / weight / moving mass ie driver size). Play around with coupling vs decoupling the stands and speakers if you want to. Be done. Enjoy listening. Stop worrying. :thumb:
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Target is back :D
Thats serious good news.
Where do they ship from, I thought they were made in England?
Sent a request to my local Bryston dealer, have 2pairs of standmounts that need good stands :thumb:
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Target is back :D
Thats serious good news.
Where do they ship from, I thought they were made in England?
Sent a request to my local Bryston dealer, have 2pairs of standmounts that need good stands :thumb:
Made in beautiful downtown Ontario Canada.
james
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Made in beautiful downtown Ontario Canada.
james
Nice James, bet is it almost as beautiful as Norway :lol:
Hope they gonna make the Target R6 again, R for Reference .
They measure 24" high and top plate measures 200mm by 240mm (approx. 8" by 9.5").There are four pillars per stand each measuring 3" by 3".
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116723)
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New Target website
http://www.targetaudioproducts.com/home.html
james
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Cool - I see the speaker stands are also available in white. Might need a pair of those when I get finished later this year with one audio system
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What about those Target floor protection footers they use to sell? Are they back too?
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Yes they are on the way
james
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Bryston Mini T speaker on new Target stand :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=118297)
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I wish Mana Acoustics would return :(
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TARGET STANDS AT AXPONA
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=119945)
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: TARGET SPEAKER STANDS
Hi Folks,
We have added a TARGET speaker stand link on our Bryston website.
http://bryston.com/products/target/FS.html
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James are all the Target stand available in black or white?
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James are all the Target stand available in black or white?
Black for now and White if we get any interest in the next run.
james
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Black for now and White if we get any interest in the next run.
james
James, thanks
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James,
Is it possible to buy Target stands directly from Bryston in Peterbourgh?
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James,
Is it possible to buy Target stands directly from Bryston in Peterbourgh?
HI
Not direct but from our Peterborough dealer if you are in the area.
james
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James,
Thank you for the direction and I will check it out.
Alan
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Hi Folks
Target pucks available soon. :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122526)
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Target Stands with Mini T Speakers
July 2015
Hi James,
The Target's MR stands for my Mini T's arrived finely. I Assembled them filed them with fine small particles (3mm aquarium marble sand). this are heavy stands by there own around 14-15 kg empty! I must admit I didn't expect any dramatics changes in terms of sound differences compare to the old stands.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=124594)
Boy oh boy I was wrong! One hears the difference the minute it starts playing. After running two CD's It's turn obviously that The bass become knife sharp like And with better define kick. the highs Chime like crystal bells. And the space between notes become much noticeable airy that in turn leads to much better perceive overall dynamics.
The Bryston Mini T speakers are a reference when it comes to dynamics and the Target stands serve them well. And I'll keep running this in over the coming days. I get the feeling they will edge up things even more. The stands were intended to be used on my second newer pair of Mini T's but I decided to leave the stands with the older pair, can't turn things back now. Who knows maybe latter on I'll grab another pair, but for now the Atacama SL600 will do for the newer pair.
Regarding the top plates, I would prefer a bigger one, as it is small for the size of the Mini T's. I did find a practical solution though by using some Patafix (German equivalent To the more known Blu-Tack). It does couple the speaker cabinet with the stands to the point one can tilt the speaker with the stand as one, though I wouldn't recommend that as routine.
Bottom line the Target MR's provides surprisingly sound upgrade, and they are heavy… real heavy.
Cheers,
Itshak Vodzilovsky
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: “Target Spike Shoes”
August, 2015
Target Audio Products
New Product
Hi James,
Ready to go on our Made In Canada "Target Spike Shoes".
Each box contains 4 shoes.
Metal body has center receptacle for all spikes. Same finish as speaker stands. Acoustically inert, hard rubber base insert. Non slip.
Does not harm floor or shelf surfaces.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126103)
Suggested Retail - $40.00 Per Box
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Hi Folks,
Target Spike Shoes on my Middle T's.
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129266)
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James,
Target Audio is launching 2 new products in time for CES.
1) Target Audio "STANCE PLATE" Speaker Stand Upgrade Kit 4 styled steel plates that bolt on to the underside of any Target speaker stand baseplate.
STANCE PLATE increases both the length and width of baseplate by 2", to 11" w x 13" d. Comes with mounting hardware. Use supplied 8mm spikes or upgraded spikes below.
Protoypes available Jan.03.16. Production available Feb 2016. Images late this week.
Retail Pricepoint $100.00 per kit (proposed)
2) Target Audio "BLING THING" Spike Upgrade Kit for all Target Audio stands. 8 styled steel chrome plated oversize 8mm Spikes for all Target stands.
Provides enhanced appearance and increased height for Target Audio speaker, equipment and amp stands. Comes with mounting hardware. Use with Target Audio standard baseplate or Stance Plate Upgraded baseplates.
Protoypes available Jan.03.16. Production available Feb 2016. Images late this week.
Retail Pricepoint $100.00 per kit (proposed)
Equipment Stands, Wall Shelf, Amp Stands are still in development, more later.
Brian Parenteau
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Target New Audio/Video Products Coming.
September 2016
Hi Folks,
Just a heads up on some of the new Target products we are working on for introduction this fall.
Color: Black low gloss powder painted- same as current speaker stands.
Will have pictures and prices soon.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149121)
Target Audio VW / Vertically Mounted Wall Shelf
Suitable for turntables or components of standard size.0.750" MDF Isolation shelf with underside spiked mounting. Thick welded steel frame with cantilever feature. 80 lb. capability w/ultra rigid secure mounting to 16" centered studded walls. High Mass and Rigidity affords best possible equipment performance.
Target Audio AS / Floor Mounted Amplifier and Component Stand
Suitable for amps and components of standard size. Spiked base mounting with upgrade spike option. 0.500" MDF insert inside welded rigid thick steel frame. High Mass and Rigidity affords best possible equipment performance.
Target Audio ES / Equipment Stands
Suitable for audio components of standard size and height. 24" high unit, purchased with 3, 4 or 5 rigid shelves each. 0.500" MDF insert inside welded rigid frames mounted to four 2x3" vertical steel posts. 8 each, 12.9 Grade fasteners for each thick steel shelf.
Stack-able up to 48 or 72" in height with optional Stack Kit. Vertical Post have Plastic Foot or Optional Spiked Foot option. High Mass and Rigidity affords best possible equipment performance.
Target Audio IS / Isolation Shelf Option for ES Equipment Stands
Suitable for turntables or vibration sensitive components of standard size. 0.750" MDF Isolation shelf with underside spiked mounting. Ultra rigid welded thick steel frame design. High Mass and Rigidity affords best possible equipment performance.
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My entire professional career has been in environmental protection. My college education was focused on that and my first professional job was with a newly-formed US EPA working on the infamous Cuyahoga River and other rivers in Ohio. I have seen many changes in environmental regulations and attitudes. At the beginning of my career it was “Who the hell are you and what do you want?” At the end of my career I was used to industry compliance officials saying to me “Don, tell me what we have to do and we will do it”.
James, I am sure your company has made changes in production to comply with industry-wide regulations for reducing hazardous materials in finished products sold in North America and the Eurozone and maybe other locations. Lead is one of those regulated materials. Please join me in enlightening the audiophile community by discouraging the use of lead shot in speaker stands. It would be helpful if you could post something here and on the website pages for speaker stands that Bryston markets.
Everyone please note:
When you sell your speaker stands be sure and tell potential buyers that you contaminated them with a hazardous substance.
Also note that when you remove the lead or lead/sand mix to make the items lighter for shipping the fill is a hazardous waste and must be disposed of in accordance with state and federal regulations. I worked in environmental compliance for 20 years so this is not just an opinion---it's the law. Separating the lead from sand is virtually impossible and even if it was possible the abrasive sand would probably still contain levels of the soft lead that would be classified as hazardous waste.
Most people are not going to take the time to try to recycle lead shot especially if it is mixed with sand. But the recycling problem does not end there. I called a couple of the larger recycling companies in my area. They said they recycled lead but not in shot form. They are not set up to handle loose material.
But it is not just the disposal of lead that is a problem. The mining and smelting of lead (including smelting recycled lead) also creates an environmental consequence in both air and water pollution. Sand is much greener. There is less environmental impact in the production and disposal.
Regulations have been passed to reduce or eliminate even minor amounts of lead and other toxic materials from new electronic equipment and to recover and recycle materials that have been used. Lead is a four letter word. It does not belong in our electronics and it does not belong in our speaker stands.
I know it's an old post on a resurrected thread, but I never thought I'd see the EPA invade an audio thread. :(
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so james, are the component stands in the works? :)
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Target component stands were nice. Below is a pic of what I left in the basement of my old house recessed into the wall.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=43104)
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so james, are the component stands in the works? :)
Hi Dave
Yes I just got the sample stands in today. I will try to take some pictures. There is a 3 foot shelf that can take 3 ,4 or 5 shelves and an isolation shelf for a turntable and also a wall mount turntable shelf.
James
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awesome!!! sounds great! thanks for the info, james... 8) i used to have a target stand in the early 90s, but i ended up selling it for the solidsteel stuff made in italy. so i commend you guys up there in the great white north for bringing them back! i bet you will sell quite a lot of them!
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awesome!!! sounds great! thanks for the info, james... 8) i used to have a target stand in the early 90s, but i ended up selling it for the solidsteel stuff made in italy. so i commend you guys up there in the great white north for bringing them back! i bet you will sell quite a lot of them!
Photo of the new Target stands - shot is of 2 stands linked together (staggered) - will take some individual shots as well.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149983)
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Photo of the new Target stands - shot is of 2 stands linked together (staggered) - will take some individual shots as well.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149983)
OH MY LORD. :o i gotta have the damn thing...now! the stuff on there ain't so bad either :wink:
thanks for the pic, james! 8)
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Looks great. Are the shelves adjustable in the new ones (the old ones were not)?
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Looks great. Are the shelves adjustable in the new ones (the old ones were not)?
Hi Phil
Yes adjustable in that there are 5 positions you can place the shelves within the structure. The base unit will come with 3 shelves - Top - Middle and Bottom with the option of adding 1 or 2 more shelves. The ones in the picture are 5 shelf versions.
james
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Some more pics.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150029)
Standard Rack
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150030)
Turntable on Wall Mount
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150031)
Amplifier Floor Shelf
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150032)
Stand with Turntable Isolation Shelf on top.
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Some more pics.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150029)
Standard Rack
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150030)
Turntable on Wall Mount
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150031)
Amplifier Floor Shelf
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150032)
Stand with Turntable Isolation Shelf on top.
fantastic!
nice pics of the equipment too..i hate to say this but better than the official lit and on the website...please don't kill me for saying this...lol
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Hi everybody,
is it possible to buy the shelves? I can't find them on Target's website...
thank you!
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Hi everybody,
is it possible to buy the shelves? I can't find them on Target's website...
thank you!
Hi
Yes you can buy the shelves separately but they bolt to the frame.
james
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Does Target have any TV stands or centre channel stands?
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Does Target have any TV stands or centre channel stands?
HI
No not at this point
james
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156578)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156579)
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Was it always a Bryston subsidiary?
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Was it always a Bryston subsidiary?
No it was a separate British owned company.
james
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No it was a separate British owned company.
james
Gotcha. So Bryston has grown! :thumb:
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so can i order a equipment rack now?
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so can i order a equipment rack now?
Hi
Yes they are in production but we are back ordered about 4 weeks.
James
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One thing i wish Bryston would do. Offer their faceplates and (now) these stands in a deep cherry red. :thumb:
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I sold a lot of Target stands back in the 80-90's, good to see it is now back in business.
Spray paint is cheap and the stands are easy to paint.
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I sold a lot of Target stands back in the 80-90's, good to see it is now back in business.
Spray paint is cheap and the stands are easy to paint.
:thumb:
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Hi Folks,
I have a PDF of the new Target products if anyone wants - jamestanner@bryston.com
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176478)
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James What is that on the second shelf from the top ,a phono preamp thanks.
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James What is that on the second shelf from the top ,a phono preamp thanks.
Hi
That’s the BAX-1 Electronic crossover for the Active Bryston speakers.
James
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Hi Folks,
I have a PDF of the new Target products if anyone wants - jamestanner@bryston.com
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176478)
Hello James,
why don't you upload on Bryston's website?
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Hi James
My system with Target and Bryston
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=184022)
Thank you.
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Got to use rocks from a Great Lake to fill those speaker stands. One lake in particular has a Superior sound ; )
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Yes Lake "Erie" stones near Port Colborne have a very mysterious base.... :lol: :roll:
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Got to use rocks from a Great Lake to fill those speaker stands. One lake in particular has a Superior sound ; )..good one
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=184385)
http://www.targetaudioproducts.com/
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=185435)
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Long story, need replacement spikes for my original HR series, these are the fatter on the top...10mm?
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=256474)
Have some on hand but too short.
Contacted Bryston Sales but just in case I need to source them elsewhere does someone remembers the proper size.
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Hi Rob - Target is in Markam On - try to get in touch with them.
james
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Thanks James
Yes, Brian got back to me and I was able to order some spikes.
http://www.targetaudioproducts.com/
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Regarding the lead shot fill for stands from Rob …..
Excellent input! I sincerely hope everyone takes this serious.
Thanks for the reminder!