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Title: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Tyson on 2 Jan 2020, 06:11 am
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Preamble
Had a chance to visit Danny recently and spent a few days listening to ALL the most recent OB offerings and thought I'd write up separate reviews for each of them.  This review is for the NX-Studio Monitor.


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Initial Impressions
I listened to this after I listened to the Super Minis (and the Super Minis had blown me away).  But the NX-Studio Monitor was the speaker I was the most excited to listen to.  Per Danny, it could be placed close to a wall due to the sealed box used for the mids, but it would give some of that "OB magic" due to the Neo3 planar magnetic tweeter being used in a clever OB fashion. 



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Listening Notes
All right, this is now officially the second time I'm being blown away in the same day.  This speaker didn't have "some" OB magic, it had a LOT of OB magic.  And I'm not sure what Danny did to the box but that thing was freaking INERT.  There was almost no box coloration that I could detect.  Yes, there was a slight coloration to the sound in the lower mids, a slight beautification that wasn't there in the ruthlessly honest Super Mini we'd heard previously.  Danny said that a lot of it was because the wave guide was so deep it allowed the tweeter to be crossed over much lower than previous speakers.  Even lower than the Neo3 in my Super 7 speakers.  Thus the tweeter and it's OB nature tended to dominate the sound of the speaker. 

Also, the midrange driver - that's a special unit. I'll say more about it in my upcoming review of the NX-Ottica and NX-Treme.

Edit to add more info requested below - I tend to think of speakers less as individual drivers and more as mid/tweeter combos nowadays.  My current references are of course the Neo10/Neo3 combo in my Super 7s, but also the Beyman TPL150-H tweeter and the JBL 2226H midrange that a friend has in his speakers.  Both of these designs have perfect integration of the drivers as well as a see-through transparency and detail level, without being 'analytical' sounding AT ALL.  That last part is important.  Lots of speakers can sound detailed but it's because they are voiced on the analytical side.  That voicing leaves me cold.  So the trick is to get a speaker that has all the detail and none of the analytical coloration. 

From a detail level I'd say the Neo3/M165NQ combo is better than the Beyma/JBL combo and very close to the Neo10/Neo3 I have at home.  Shockingly close.  Honestly I've been in this game so long and I've heard every 6 inch driver out there and they all bore me to tears.  But this driver is different - it seems to combine the sheer resolution of the best ceramic cones with the quite self-damping properties of the best paper cones.  And the integration with the Neo3 tweeter is just perfect.  Color me impressed. 

In fact, now that I've had a bit more time to think about it, I feel more comfortable saying this - the NX-Studio Monitor is the best box based bookshelf speaker I've ever heard.  It does most things better than anything else out there and some things MUCH better than anything else out there.  At least IME.

Edit to add:  Here's a link to the recent New Record Day visit to Danny's and their impressions on several speakers, including this one.  They heard stuff very similar to what I did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xxFKVC2Xro
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2020, 07:54 am
OBs need a lot of space between the speakers and the side and rear walls, so these would be a good compromise in most rooms, at least in Europe.

It seems that the walls are thick, including the front. And the upper part, being inclined and not horizontal should help a lot to reduce the furniture vibrations by breaking the symmetry, I think.

With one or two subwoofers...

To build some loudspeakers (without little coaxials) are the ones I would choose. First without subwoofer and loudspeakers near to rear wall, after with one sub and maybe later with two. Step by step.

PS: the front should be sold with the speakers. And maybe the upper wood too. Already put, the option with all the woods!
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Tyson on 2 Jan 2020, 08:00 am
Maty, I think the kit includes the front baffle.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2020, 08:50 am
http://gr-research.com/diykits.aspx

Danny should create new sections for the latest kits he sells: Studio Monitors and Super Mini.


http://gr-research.com/upgrades.aspx

And Klipsch RP-600M upgrade.

Modernize the web too.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2020, 08:57 am
Yes, there was a slight coloration to the sound in the lower mids, a slight beautification that wasn't there in the ruthlessly honest Super Mini we'd heard previously.  Danny said that a lot of it was because the wave guide was so deep it allowed the tweeter to be crossed over much lower than previous speakers.  Even lower than the Neo3 in my Super 7 speakers.  Thus the tweeter and it's OB nature tended to dominate the sound of the speaker.

First a good soft player with a minimum phase PEQ and after rePhase (https://rephase.org/) -> convolution filter, like me with my modded little coaxials (https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/minimum-phase-vs-linear-phase.8762/post-253826).
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: JLM on 2 Jan 2020, 11:20 am
Tyson you're such a tease!

Please provide more info: prices; frequency range; efficiency; crossover frequency; driver/kit details; links; more description of the sound.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2020, 11:36 am
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=160647.msg1764167#msg1764167

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1. MDF is fine. It is dense and less resonant than other materials. It is also cheap and easy to purchase and cut.

2. The front baffle is 1.375" thick already. So there is no resonance issue. Also the woofer frame is made from a polymer material that is non-resonance and will not transmit a resonant to the front baffle like most woofers. And it surface mounts so baffle material is not removed for mounting like many drivers that have to be recessed.

3. The kit does not come with material for making a grill. Grill cloth type and color is up to you.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2020, 11:39 am
Measurements, a lot of graphs:

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=160647.msg1729409#msg1729409

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Here is the crossover response showing each driver and the sum.

(http://gr-research.com/measurements/SM%20crossover%20response.jpg)


And just the on axis response.

(http://gr-research.com/measurements/SM%20on%20axis%20response.jpg)


And since these could be mounted high above a console, here is the response on tweeter axis and on woofer axis. It is pretty flat both ways.

(http://gr-research.com/measurements/SM%20tweeter%20axis%20and%20woofer%20axis.jpg)


And the spectral decay is about as clean as any speaker I've ever measured. These driver settle super fast and clean.

(http://gr-research.com/measurements/SM%20csd.jpg)


Pretty even horizontal off axis responses too.

(http://gr-research.com/measurements/SM%20horizontal%20off%20axis.jpg)


And the vertical off axis is very consistent too. For playback in a listening room they might like a slight tilt.

(http://gr-research.com/measurements/SM%20vertical%20off%20axis.jpg)


And they have an easy to drive impedance load.

(http://gr-research.com/measurements/SM%20impedance.jpg)
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2020, 11:54 am
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=160647.msg1730672#msg1730672

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Okay what you've all been waiting for. Since the crossover was not at all complex (few parts) the complete total came in really low.

$859 for the complete kit including the CNC cut front baffle and two sheets of No Rez.

And $120 of that total was for the CNC cut baffles.

Copper by-pass caps are extra as are any other tweaks that you might want to try.

The stock crossover is great. It uses all Sonicaps, Erse XQ inductors, and Mills resistors. It also come with tube connectors.

Power handling will be no issue so long as power is clean. Since these are designed for studio monitoring, small rooms, or more near field listening then it is not likely that they will need much power.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2020, 12:03 pm
I usually listen to about 65 dBSPL continuous. And very good recordings with high / very high dynamic range (DR).

To estimate the amplifier and that this always works in its comfort zone, I want 80 dBSPL + 15 dB = 95 dBSPL max at the listening point.

https://www.doctorproaudio.com/content.php?2273-calculators-proaudio-sound-dmx&langid=1#calc_spl

88 dB/W/m, 8 Ohms, random phase, 3 m -> 23 watts at 8 Ohms to have 95 dBSPL max

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/hum/GR-Research-Studio-monitor-SPL-88dB-8ohm-23watts-3m.png) (http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/hum/GR-Research-Studio-monitor-SPL-88dB-8ohm-23watts-3m.png)

* 2 m -> 10 watts at 8 Ohms

* 3 m -> 23 watts at 8 Ohms

* 4 m -> 40 watts at 8 Ohms
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2020, 12:10 pm
If you listen to modern commercial recordings, then DR will be < or << 10 dB.

80 dBSPL + 10 dB = 90 dBSPL max

* 2 m -> 4 watts at 8 Ohms

* 3 m -> 7 watts at 8 Ohms

* 4 m -> 13 watts at 8 Ohms
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: JLM on 2 Jan 2020, 02:07 pm
How is the room accounted for?
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2020, 03:02 pm
80 dBSPL continuous in a room is loud. In a room, with reflections, you need less watts to obtain the same SPL than in open field. Therefore, once again we are overestimating the necessary power, so surely we will not fall short of power if we focus on 95 dBSPL.

For normal rooms, that is, they are not the size of a sports center, to calculate the maximum power required is sufficient with 95 dBSPL.

They are always for real 8 Ohms loudspeakers and not fictitious as usual.

(http://gr-research.com/measurements/SM%20impedance.jpg)

The usual are boxes with minimum impedance over 4 Ohms. Then the calculated power must be doubled.

(https://www.stereophile.com/images/1212KEF50fig1.jpg)

That is why it is important to know the measurements of the louspeakers before buying them, avoiding commercial boxes newly released, with only the manufacturer's specifications, usually overestimate the sensitivity and nominal impedance.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2020, 03:12 pm
DR15

Days ago I listened some albums with tracks of DR19. And one, exceptional, with DR23. Usually DR12 - DR17.

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/music/6958-playing-listening-862.html
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2020, 03:17 pm
BTW, Studio Monitor's phase graph?
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Wind Chaser on 2 Jan 2020, 05:25 pm
How far out in the room were these set up?

Were they flying solo or with a sub?

What is the price?

Kit availability?

Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Tyson on 2 Jan 2020, 05:58 pm
How far out in the room were these set up?
Were they flying solo or with a sub?
What is the price?
Kit availability?

They were 1/3rd into the room like all the other speakers we demo'd.  We used the triple OB subs with them like we did for all the speakers.  Price is between $800 and $900 I think.  Danny did mention that he included the CNC cut front baffle in the kit.  I think they're ready to ship but you'd have to ask Danny.  I'm mainly here to talk about the sound ;)
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Captainhemo on 2 Jan 2020, 09:37 pm
The baffles are indeed included in the kits and Danny does have stock on everything.

Tyson, all the  NX series  use  that deep wave guide.. ranges from 1.375"  to 1.5" .
The new  Super Mini's and  new  Super 7's  use a  1"  baffle with  slightly different waveguides. .

jay
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: mr_bill on 3 Jan 2020, 01:03 am
How do you buy the cabinet for it?

I understand you get front baffle, drivers, crossover, binding posts and wiring?
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: JLM on 3 Jan 2020, 01:38 pm
80 dBSPL continuous in a room is loud. In a room, with reflections, you need less watts to obtain the same SPL than in open field. Therefore, once again we are overestimating the necessary power, so surely we will not fall short of power if we focus on 95 dBSPL.

For normal rooms, that is, they are not the size of a sports center, to calculate the maximum power required is sufficient with 95 dBSPL.

Thanks for your responses.  But by your response I assume your calculator has no means for accounting of room size.  Yes, I understand how rooms affect SPL versus open field.  But I disagree with your 95 dB premise.  I find that most audiophiles do serious listening at average 80 dB levels.  But average is only a ball park value.  Music is made of peaks (rock = 10 dB, jazz = 20 dB, classical = 30 dB).  Live performance peaks are normally accepted as roughly 105 dB for classical or jazz and 110 dB for rock, although some would push those numbers much higher.   

I have a couple of basic standards for a system to begin to be considered high fidelity:  it must reproduce the entire range of musical instruments sans large pipe organs, so 30 - 20,000 Hz; and it must be able to produce 105 - 110 dB peaks.  Failing to reach both those criteria a system cannot be faithfully reproduce the full range of music, let alone all the other attributes we listen for.  Accounting for room size is essential in determining what peak SPL the system is capable as many systems struggle to reach those peaks in-room. 
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 3 Jan 2020, 01:59 pm
The problem is the recording quality != live music, usually modern commercial recordings. You know, Loudness War.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

* http://dr.loudness-war.info/

A concert hall is much larger than the house rooms. Much more power is required to achieve the same sound level because of the close reflections that the vast majority suffer. And usually we listen to about 2.5 - 3.5 m away to each speaker and... in phase (+3 dB). Calcs with random phase -> we overestimate the power again.

Peak of 15 dB is realistic to make calcs. If you want, 18 dB.

With the link each one can make their own estimates.

https://www.doctorproaudio.com/content.php?2273-calculators-proaudio-sound-dmx&langid=1#calc_spl
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: BRN on 3 Jan 2020, 05:38 pm
Tyson,

Did you use your First Watt BA-3 with the Studio Monitors?

Brad
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Tyson on 3 Jan 2020, 05:57 pm
Tyson,

Did you use your First Watt BA-3 with the Studio Monitors?

Brad

Both.  It was one of the few speakers that sounded equally good with either amp. 
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 4 Jan 2020, 09:24 am
To finish the off topic about SPLmax, watts, loudness war...

Part II: How To Make Better Recordings in the 21st Century – An Integrated Approach to Metering, Monitoring, and Leveling Practices by Bob Katz

https://www.digido.com/portfolio-item/level-practices-part-2/

Search with Ctrl+F: 83 dB SPL

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/varios/Bob-Katz-fortissimo-89-90-dB.png) (http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/varios/Bob-Katz-fortissimo-89-90-dB.png)

Well, I think that everyone should read the OLD article!

- End off topic -
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: BRN on 4 Jan 2020, 01:42 pm
Both.  It was one of the few speakers that sounded equally good with either amp.

Thanks. I’m running a FW M2 clone. Was not sure it would have enough power to drive them.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 5 Jan 2020, 07:33 am
Better idea a new thread.

Amplification ideas to GR Research Studio Monitor

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=167210.0
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: bpape on 5 Jan 2020, 08:06 am
Dont mean to be a problem but why ruin this nice design with a class D amp?  Many other cheap options that would sound a TON better.  Maybe not as much power but MUCH smoother and realistic.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 5 Jan 2020, 09:55 am
Discussion about amplification better here: Amplification ideas to GR Research Studio Monitor (https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=167210.0)
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Wind Chaser on 5 Jan 2020, 02:59 pm
Dont mean to be a problem but why ruin this nice design with a class D amp?


Because here in the 21st century there are Class D amps that sound a whole lot better than many tube and traditional SS amps!  :banana piano: :dance: :rock:
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: poseidonsvoice on 5 Jan 2020, 03:54 pm

Because here in the 21st century there are Class D amps that sound a whole lot better than many tube and traditional SS amps!  :banana piano: :dance: :rock:

+1.

Let’s try not to be myopic. It’s all about EXECUTION of design. Don’t judge based on class or topology. It’s a buffet line.

Here is a review and in it I also review a very well constructed DIY VFET Class A amplifier by Nelson Pass for comparison’s sake:

https://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=7264.msg91698#msg91698

And yes, I still build and enjoy Class A amps, with the goals of advancing my builds and improving my understanding of them.

Best,
Anand.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Captainhemo on 5 Jan 2020, 04:15 pm

Because here in the 21st century there are Class D amps that sound a whole lot better than many tube and traditional SS amps!  :banana piano: :dance: :rock:

I'm   in  agreement  as well.   Most  negativity towards clas d  is from  early class d  and from  folks  who have not experienced  what  they can   do  these days.  The old cliches of class d are simply  no longer  valid

jay
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: corndog71 on 5 Jan 2020, 04:40 pm
I’ve heard some class D amps at Axpona last year that sounded fantastic.  It has definitely come a long way. 

Now if only someone can manufacture high end quality but reasonably priced plate amps for speaker kits.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Spschmitt53 on 17 Jan 2020, 10:08 pm
I am new to audio circle. I have built a pair of XCX Classics from Danny and they are super nice! I am very interested in the new studio monitor and have a few questions. 1. has anyone else listened to the speakers? 2. I have a very small room that they will be in ( 10' x 12" ), will these be too big for this size room? 3. if i can put them in this room can i put them fairly close to the wall? Any suggestions are helpful and welcome. I have been looking at the Triangle Borea 3 and the Buchardt 400 S. These a bit smaller but i have not auditioned them yet, thanks again
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Danny Richie on 18 Jan 2020, 11:41 pm
I am new to audio circle. I have built a pair of XCX Classics from Danny and they are super nice! I am very interested in the new studio monitor and have a few questions. 1. has anyone else listened to the speakers? 2. I have a very small room that they will be in ( 10' x 12" ), will these be too big for this size room? 3. if i can put them in this room can i put them fairly close to the wall? Any suggestions are helpful and welcome. I have been looking at the Triangle Borea 3 and the Buchardt 400 S. These a bit smaller but i have not auditioned them yet, thanks again

You small room is not an issue. The Studio Monitors were designed for that application.

Those other speakers that you mentioned are still a step below our A/V-1 or X-LS Encore with no upgrades. The Studio Monitor is in a different class.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: maty on 19 Jan 2020, 07:48 am
I have been looking at the Triangle Borea 3 and the Buchardt 400 S. These a bit smaller but i have not auditioned them yet, thanks again

Forgive the Buchardt 400 S (about the Triangle I know nothing just know). Cheap tweeter. And cheap crossover too like many others. Although the rear passive woofer it needs distance from the wall like others with rear bass-reflex. There are other better choices I think.

But even the most expensive commercials have a crossover with cheap components.

Update

Triangle Borea 3 is new. Without graphs, measurements... a risk. You need to listen to in your room with your electronics.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Oscillate on 19 Jan 2020, 07:07 pm
@Spschmitt53

"1. has anyone else listened to the speakers?"

Yes, I auditioned the traveling pair for approx. a month. I found them to
be open sounding, and neutral to 'ever so slightly' warm ...no listener
fatigue at all during extended listening sessions (ie I spent several
weekends rediscovering my music collection). The Neo - 3 tweeter has
a lot of  'air'. It does have some of the 'immediacy' that open-baffle
speakers are known for. They have an involving sound that'll have you
forgeting about the audio equipment and just listening to the music.

"...they will be in ( 10' x 12" ), will these be too big for this size room?"

No, I believe that might be just about perfect! ...does your room open into
another room? My room is 15'x15'x10' and is completely open to the
connecting kitchen behind it and a foyer on the front left corner. I had
to turn the volume up a few notches to compensate. My GR Research
X-CS Encores (a MTM design) are better suited, output wise, in big space.

"...can i put them fairly close to the wall?"

Yes. My X-CS Encores (sealed box) are spaced 1/3 of the way into the room
from the sides and about 3' from the back wall ...the Studio Monitors sat right
on top of them (on a towel). Sounded right with good imaging.


@bpape

"...but why ruin this nice design with a class D amp?"

I have been using a B&O IceEdge 1200AS2 amplifier for my 2 channel listening
for almost two years now ...resolving, natural sound with a liquidy midrange. It's
thoroughly enjoyable and powered the Studio Monitors during their visit here.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Captainhemo on 19 Jan 2020, 08:30 pm
I have been using a B&O IceEdge 1200AS2 amplifier for my 2 channel listening
for almost two years now ...resolving, natural sound with a liquidy midrange. It's
thoroughly enjoyable and powered the Studio Monitors during their visit here.

Using the same  amp here, the extra power  brought the NX-Otica's to life especially with regards to percussion .
Now using  it to drive the Super 7's and  again,,   extremely happy  :thumb:

The old  class D stereotype of being  bright and harsh  is long gone
jay
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Spschmitt53 on 20 Jan 2020, 12:31 am
Thank you all for your responses, It is so great to see there are people that care about what your concerns are when purchasing audio equipment. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Jon L on 20 Jan 2020, 01:16 am
Using the same  amp here, the extra power  brought the NX-Otica's to life especially with regards to percussion .
Now using  it to drive the Super 7's and  again,,   extremely happy  :thumb:

The old  class D stereotype of being  bright and harsh  is long gone
jay

I bought one IceEdge 1200AS2 amplifier, then later bought another exact same one.  I have NEVER done such a thing before, and I suspect some of you know why... :wink:

Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Max7 on 29 Jan 2020, 09:12 pm
Can I assume that a super transparent/clean amplifier like the Benchmark AHB2 (100 watts) would be a good match for these speakers if I plan to use them for both music listening and mixing?
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Endo2112 on 29 Jan 2020, 11:37 pm
Indeed they would

Don
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Tyson on 13 Feb 2020, 06:43 pm
Here's a link to the recent New Record Day visit to Danny's and their impressions on several speakers, including this one.  They heard stuff very similar to what I did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xxFKVC2Xro
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Danny Richie on 14 Feb 2020, 04:16 am
Here's a link to the recent New Record Day visit to Danny's and their impressions on several speakers, including this one.  They heard stuff very similar to what I did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xxFKVC2Xro

I think their impressions paralleled yours as well.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Hobbsmeerkat on 19 Feb 2020, 01:58 am
How is the bass response on these?
I'm definitely planning on building a pair within the next year, and they'll be used on my desk in a small 10'x12' bedroom, maybe 1 foot from the wall, on either side of my primary display.
Is a sub also necessary, or just recommended?
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Danny Richie on 19 Feb 2020, 02:06 am
How is the bass response on these?
I'm definitely planning on building a pair within the next year, and they'll be used on my desk in a small 10'x12' bedroom, maybe 1 foot from the wall, on either side of my primary display.
Is a sub also necessary, or just recommended?

If you want full range bottom end then a sub is recommended.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Hobbsmeerkat on 19 Feb 2020, 03:32 am
Thanks, Danny! I'll definitely plan on looking to get a sealed servo sub kit to supplement the NX-Studios since I'm limited on space & an OB kit probably won't work with the under-desk placement I'm currently relegated to.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Sonicjoy on 31 Mar 2020, 01:40 pm
Edit: Moved to correct thread.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: kmoser on 15 Apr 2020, 04:19 pm
Great review and graphs, I want to build these!
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: WarmColors on 16 Apr 2020, 01:49 pm
Measurements, a lot of graphs:

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=160647.msg1729409#msg1729409

It seems like Danny is busy trying to get most people's orders out in a timely manner, so I'm hoping you may know an answer to my question.
Looking at the graphs has there been any other modifications, from prototype to the finish product? I scrolled through all the pages on this forum and found nothing. I just want to make sure the finish product test as close as possible to the original.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Danny Richie on 16 Apr 2020, 02:14 pm
It seems like Danny is busy trying to get most people's orders out in a timely manner, so I'm hoping you may know an answer to my question.
Looking at the graphs has there been any other modifications, from prototype to the finish product? I scrolled through all the pages on this forum and found nothing. I just want to make sure the finish product test as close as possible to the original.

Thanks.

Nothing has changed on that design other than making the .1uF Miflex Copper by-pass cap for the tweeter circuit an included component rather than an option. It was too good of an addition and the price was just too low not to include it. So the kit is now $899.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Sonicjoy on 16 Apr 2020, 02:19 pm
As far as I know those specs are correct. I just built these, they are incredible speakers! The imaging and sound stage is to die for!
A couple thoughts: These are smaller speakers and will not have the power and dynamic's that the larger models have at higher spl's especially in larger rooms.
They excel at low to medium listening levels and near field "monitoring".
Of course high quality subs will round out the overall sound.

These are very highly resolving speakers and will benefit from the best quality upstream gear.
 
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: pankon on 1 May 2020, 04:30 am
Measurements, a lot of graphs:
...

Isn’t the dip at around 350Hz worrying? It looks quite substantial. Perhaps I am wrong but it seems that that point breaks the evenness of the frequency response curve.

That dip should definitely become acoustically evident...

Any comments please?
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Sonicjoy on 1 May 2020, 12:39 pm
That's a 5 db scale graph, not 10 like most use. That dip is only about 2.5 db. Each one of those marks between 85 and 90 db is only 1/2 db. I assure you it is not noticeable. These are VERY smooth sounding!
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Danny Richie on 1 May 2020, 02:19 pm
Isn’t the dip at around 350Hz worrying? It looks quite substantial. Perhaps I am wrong but it seems that that point breaks the evenness of the frequency response curve.

That dip should definitely become acoustically evident...

Any comments please?

That's the range where the response is becoming omni directional. So it is loosing output because some of it is spilling out from around the baffle and headed the other way. It is common with any speaker using a baffle width of that size. These are also the ranges where you start getting back some of that energy in room gain.

So when you go from speaker measurements to room measurements things look a bit different in that range. You typically have to add diffusion and absorption material behind the speakers to soften that area.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: pankon on 1 May 2020, 02:50 pm
...These are smaller speakers and will not have the power and dynamic's that the larger models have at higher spl's especially in larger rooms.
They excel at low to medium listening levels and near field "monitoring".
Of course high quality subs will round out the overall sound.
...

I intend to place the NX-Studios on stands in a nearfield position (1m tweeter to ear) and approx 2m between the speakers. Distance from the wall (where people usually place their speakers against) will be approx. 3m (10ft). And the NX-Studios will be accompanied by a single OB dual-driver H-frame sub, placed between the speakers.

In terms of upstream gear, they will be driven by a 25W SET, pure class A, tube amp (KT150) https://lab12.gr/suono (https://lab12.gr/suono)

It seems like an interesting setup. I wonder whether placing the crossover outside the speaker box will provide any sonic improvement (?)

Thanks
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Danny Richie on 1 May 2020, 02:58 pm
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It seems like an interesting setup. I wonder whether placing the crossover outside the speaker box will provide any sonic improvement (?)

The only thing there that changes is the number of connectors needed in the path to do that. I like minimizing that myself and only using tube connectors so as to disrupt the signal the least.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: pankon on 1 May 2020, 03:00 pm
The only thing there that changes is the number of connectors needed in the path to do that. I like minimizing that myself and only using tube connectors so as to disrupt the signal the least.

Yes, of course. My idea was just to minimize the vibrations that the crossover would be receiving, if placed outside of the box... Perhaps an overkill?
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: pankon on 1 May 2020, 03:00 pm
That's the range where the response is becoming omni directional. So it is loosing output because some of it is spilling out from around the baffle and headed the other way. It is common with any speaker using a baffle width of that size. These are also the ranges where you start getting back some of that energy in room gain.

Danny, if I understand correctly, the 350Hz area is served by the woofer, which is in the closed box of the NX-Studio. So how can it be spilling out? Maybe I have misunderstood something...
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: hawkeyejw on 1 May 2020, 03:26 pm
Danny, if I understand correctly, the 350Hz area is served by the woofer, which is in the closed box of the NX-Studio. So how can it be spilling out? Maybe I have misunderstood something...

I believe Danny's talking about the step baffle loss here - so the frequency at which the wavelength is great enough that the sound frequency starts to curve around the baffle and travel in different directions. Sort of the effect you'd get if you flatten your hands and put them next to your mouth while talking, and then remove them. It changes the sound. If I'm following what Danny is saying correctly, this small dip, if anything, is beneficial in room as you are likely to get room gain around those frequencies. Also, as others have mentioned since this is on a 5 db scale it's not as severe of a dip as it may look.
Title: Re: Tyson's Studio Monitor Review
Post by: pankon on 1 May 2020, 06:22 pm
I believe Danny's talking about the step baffle loss here - so the frequency at which the wavelength is great enough that the sound frequency starts to curve around the baffle and travel in different directions. Sort of the effect you'd get if you flatten your hands and put them next to your mouth while talking, and then remove them. It changes the sound. If I'm following what Danny is saying correctly, this small dip, if anything, is beneficial in room as you are likely to get room gain around those frequencies. Also, as others have mentioned since this is on a 5 db scale it's not as severe of a dip as it may look.

Oh, now I see where Danny was coming from. OK, clear. Thanks.

I am curious to try the NX-Studios...
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Peregrino on 10 Jun 2020, 07:18 pm
Any word on the availability of the NX-Studios?
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: hawkeyejw on 10 Jun 2020, 08:26 pm
I think Danny mentioned in another thread he still does not have an ETA on the NX drivers, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: rollo on 10 Jun 2020, 08:28 pm
  I would be curious to know where they are manufactured. Thank you.

charles
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: hawkeyejw on 10 Jun 2020, 08:54 pm
Pretty sure they are manufactured by Peerless of India.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: rollo on 10 Jun 2020, 09:01 pm
Pretty sure they are manufactured by Peerless of India.


  Thank you. My speakers are from India. They do VG work there.


charles
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: pinkfloyd4ever on 12 Jun 2020, 09:59 pm
Any chance we'll see a floorstanding version of this that will go lower than the monitor? Maybe an MTM version?
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Peter J on 12 Jun 2020, 11:11 pm
Any chance we'll see a floorstanding version of this that will go lower than the monitor? Maybe an MTM version?

MTM would shoot the foot of the design, no? Perhaps TMM mo' betta.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: pinkfloyd4ever on 12 Jun 2020, 11:43 pm
MTM would shoot the foot of the design, no? Perhaps TMM mo' betta.
Oh yes, duh!  :duh:
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Danny Richie on 13 Jun 2020, 12:14 am
Any word on the availability of the NX-Studios?

We shipped out four pair of them today.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Danny Richie on 13 Jun 2020, 12:15 am
I think Danny mentioned in another thread he still does not have an ETA on the NX drivers, unfortunately.

We are only out of the 16 ohm version used in the MTM's.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: electriceye on 13 Jun 2020, 05:07 pm
Would these be a sizable upgrade to the n3s? Getting the itch to build something even though im loving them.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Tyson on 13 Jun 2020, 05:16 pm
Would these be a sizable upgrade to the n3s? Getting the itch to build something even though im loving them.

Yes a significant step up.  The N3s are among the top 20% of speakers in the world, but the NX-Studios are probably the best bookshelf in the world, bar none.  It does everything right and nothing wrong.  It's an incredible achievement, Danny should be very proud.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: mr_bill on 14 Jun 2020, 12:49 am
I still can’t find the NX-Studio on the website....,,
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Hobbsmeerkat on 14 Jun 2020, 01:46 am
I still can’t find the NX-Studio on the website....,,

They aren't on the site, you have to order them directly from Danny by email or phone.

The new website is still under construction, but will have an updated  list of available speakers, including the NX-Studios, Otica MTM, and others.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Danny Richie on 18 Jun 2020, 01:39 am
They aren't on the site, you have to order them directly from Danny by email or phone.

The new website is still under construction, but will have an updated  list of available speakers, including the NX-Studios, Otica MTM, and others.

What he said.... :thumb:
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: pinkfloyd4ever on 18 Jun 2020, 02:24 am
What he said.... :thumb:
Will there be a floor standing version? TMM maybe?
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Hobbsmeerkat on 18 Jun 2020, 03:51 am
I think there was talk about that and a 3-way design in the Studio Monitor development thread, but ultimately ended up not being worth the effort. I think it was intended to use a pair of the same woofers found in the X-LS/X-Static?

But I imagine you could probably design build a set that incorporates a 12" side-firing, sealed, servo sub, so long as it has enough internal volume & bracing to support it, plus you'd get solid response down into the 20s.

If you wanted a more "traditional "box" look it might be possible to have one with the mid woofer on the right/left of the OB tweeter, and the sealed sub below it. Or the standard T-M configuration with the sealed sub on the right/left, for a more horizontal orientation. Tho I imagine both of those ideas will affect tone response for the mid woofer & Sub.

But in the end, the easiest/best solution ended up just being the Studios on top of a pair of H-frame Subs.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: roscoe65 on 18 Jun 2020, 04:26 pm

But in the end, the easiest/best solution ended up just being the Studios on top of a pair of H-frame Subs.

I own a pair of Rythmik F8 sealed subwoofers.  These are 20” H x 11” w x 15” D.  I use them and a pair of Isoacoustics ISOL8R-200s as stands for a pair of monitor speakers.  Rythmik sells the subs in a contractor version as well if you wanted to build you own cabinets.

I don’t know if Danny plans to carry the 8” sealed woofers.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Hobbsmeerkat on 18 Jun 2020, 05:15 pm
I've definitely considered one of those as well.
Danny mentioned considering another order of the 8" subs if there was enough interest for them, but most followup responses mentioned the dual 12" drivers just sounded better than tripple 8" subs, not to mention cheaper.
Imo, even a single 8" for each channel would be nice way to round out the low-end.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: roscoe65 on 18 Jun 2020, 06:27 pm
The 8s can comfortably run to 250hz.  This makes stereo implementation easier and can work with many more (smaller) speakers.

The double 8s also mimic Danny's earlier suggestion of a powered 2 x M165 bass module used below the Studio Monitor.

Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Danny Richie on 24 Jun 2020, 10:27 pm
The 8s can comfortably run to 250hz.  This makes stereo implementation easier and can work with many more (smaller) speakers.

The double 8s also mimic Danny's earlier suggestion of a powered 2 x M165 bass module used below the Studio Monitor.

That's a really good option. And those 8's won't have to play up near that high.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: WarmColors on 7 Jul 2020, 06:06 am
If you have to chose between the studios or NX Oticas MTM which one would you chose?

Im debating the studios or NX Oticas MTM. Either speaker would live in a barely medium size room I can either place the studios or NX Oticas MTM.

Which speaker has more detail?

I understand that OB need to be 3ft or more away from the front wall. I don't want sub recommendations. Just your personal opinion on which speaker you would chose and why?  Which speaker has more detail (are the crossovers very similar)?
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: mlundy57 on 7 Jul 2020, 06:52 am
If you have to chose between the studios or NX Oticas MTM which one would you chose?

Im debating the studios or NX Oticas MTM. Either speaker would live in a barely medium size room I can either place the studios or NX Oticas MTM.

Which speaker has more detail?

I understand that OB need to be 3ft or more away from the front wall. I don't want sub recommendations. Just your personal opinion on which speaker you would chose and why?  Which speaker has more detail (are the crossovers very similar)?

Both speakers use the same drivers. The difference being two midrange drivers in the ‘Otica MTM vs one inthe Studio Monitor. This means things like speed, detail, and clarity are going to be similar. The second midrange driver in the ‘Otica MTM will give it more body, weight, and effortlessness. The biggest difference is going to be in soundstage and openness. Being full open baffle, the ‘Otica MTM is going to have the advantage in this.

In my opinion, the choice between the NX-Otica MTM and the studio monitor comes down to space. If you have the room for open baffle, go with the MTMs. If you don’t have the room to get the speakers at least 3ft off the front wall, go with the Studio Monitors. They were designed to be able to be placed close to the front wall.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: WarmColors on 7 Jul 2020, 12:19 pm
Both speakers use the same drivers. The difference being two midrange drivers in the ‘Otica MTM vs one inthe Studio Monitor. This means things like speed, detail, and clarity are going to be similar. The second midrange driver in the ‘Otica MTM will give it more body, weight, and effortlessness. The biggest difference is going to be in soundstage and openness. Being full open baffle, the ‘Otica MTM is going to have the advantage in this.

In my opinion, the choice between the NX-Otica MTM and the studio monitor comes down to space. If you have the room for open baffle, go with the MTMs. If you don’t have the room to get the speakers at least 3ft off the front wall, go with the Studio Monitors. They were designed to be able to be placed close to the front wall.

Thank you for your comment!!! I really do appreciate the detail.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: diyman on 9 Jul 2020, 07:15 am
Both speakers use the same drivers. The difference being two midrange drivers in the ‘Otica MTM vs one inthe Studio Monitor. This means things like speed, detail, and clarity are going to be similar. The second midrange driver in the ‘Otica MTM will give it more body, weight, and effortlessness. The biggest difference is going to be in soundstage and openness. Being full open baffle, the ‘Otica MTM is going to have the advantage in this.

In my opinion, the choice between the NX-Otica MTM and the studio monitor comes down to space. If you have the room for open baffle, go with the MTMs. If you don’t have the room to get the speakers at least 3ft off the front wall, go with the Studio Monitors. They were designed to be able to be placed close to the front wall.

I'm interested in possibly ordering this speaker and am trying to understand how it is able to be closer to the front wall than other OB speakers.  The rule of thumb is 3’ minimum in order to make sure the reflection from the front wall back to the listener is delayed by at least 6ms.  Some people believe that 6ms isn’t even enough and 10ms is the required minimum. 

Can’t see how the sound from the back of this speaker towards the front wall is significantly different from other OB designs.  I assume that the sloped open compartment is involved in some way, but still can’t see how it would have a major impact on the reflected sound delay.  Would be very interested in hearing the explanation.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Hobbsmeerkat on 9 Jul 2020, 01:13 pm
The main benefit of the NX Studio is the fact the woofer is in a sealed box. The tweeter os OB, but the slope +norez allows the rear wave to be reflected upwards, allowing for similar spacial cues without the need to be further from the wall.

That said, it still greatly benefits from being pulled from the wall, but can easily be moved closer without a loss in quality.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: diyman on 9 Jul 2020, 05:36 pm
The main benefit of the NX Studio is the fact the woofer is in a sealed box. The tweeter os OB, but the slope +norez allows the rear wave to be reflected upwards, allowing for similar spacial cues without the need to be further from the wall.

That said, it still greatly benefits from being pulled from the wall, but can easily be moved closer without a loss in quality.

OK.  I can see how that might work.  I believe you're saying that instead of the rear sound being reflected mainly horizontally off the front wall, as it would be in a more conventional OB, it is pushed up and reflected mostly from the corner and ceiling.  And that extra distance is more or less equivalent in terms of delay to having it 3' from the front wall.  Is that the theory behind it?
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Tyson on 9 Jul 2020, 05:40 pm
OK.  I can see how that might work.  I believe you're saying that instead of the rear sound being reflected mainly horizontally off the front wall, as it would be in a more conventional OB, it is pushed up and reflected mostly from the corner and ceiling.  And that extra distance is more or less equivalent in terms of delay to having it 3' from the front wall.  Is that the theory behind it?

Tweeter's wavelengths are much shorter than the midrange wavelengths.  Thus the tweeter is much less sensitive to being placed closer to the front wall.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: diyman on 9 Jul 2020, 06:21 pm
Tweeter's wavelengths are much shorter than the midrange wavelengths.  Thus the tweeter is much less sensitive to being placed closer to the front wall.

I'm still trying to understand how that relates to spatial queues.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Tyson on 9 Jul 2020, 09:46 pm
I'm still trying to understand how that relates to spatial queues.


It has more to do with cancellation of sound waves.  With tweeters you can get them close to walls and you don't end up with big holes in the frequency response.  The same is not true for the midrange.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: diyman on 10 Jul 2020, 06:53 pm
It has more to do with cancellation of sound waves.  With tweeters you can get them close to walls and you don't end up with big holes in the frequency response.  The same is not true for the midrange.

Not sure how this answers my question from above.  So here it is again:

I believe that instead of the rear sound being reflected mainly horizontally off the front wall, as it would be in a more conventional OB, it is pushed up and reflected mostly from the corner and ceiling.  And that extra distance is more or less equivalent in terms of delay to having it 3' from the front wall.  Is that the theory behind it?
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Hobbsmeerkat on 10 Jul 2020, 07:08 pm
Not sure how this answers my question from above.  So here it is again:

I believe that instead of the rear sound being reflected mainly horizontally off the front wall, as it would be in a more conventional OB, it is pushed up and reflected mostly from the corner and ceiling.  And that extra distance is more or less equivalent in terms of delay to having it 3' from the front wall.  Is that the theory behind it?
That's personally been my best guess/understanding.
I know the Norez will absorb & slow down the rear wave, frequencies, and reflect the sound upwards. Then, since it's sloped, it almost acts as a diffuser, since the lower part of the wave will bounce at a different times/position from the top.

So the sound can act as though its further away than it really is, thanks to diffusion/absorption.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: VinceT on 16 Sep 2020, 12:23 am
I wanted to ask you all a question with experience with these. I have a real basket case of a room and considering the Studio Monitors along with the Oticas.  None of my box speakers sound good in this room. It is essentially a 20x20x20 sunken mid century modern living room. I think the OB speaker offerings will really help, but wanted to know how the sealed box of the studio monitors load the room compared to other boxed speakers.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Hobbsmeerkat on 16 Sep 2020, 01:04 am
I'm still in the process of building my pair, so I'll leave that to those with more experience..

But a nearly cubic room is going to be rough to manage for any sysem, esp in the bass & sub-bass ranges. Your room is going to require a fair bit of treatment likely corner bass traps, diffusion panels, and suspended absorption panels hanging from the ceiling to break up the air space and any standing waves.
But I can imagine that if it is a living room, it's going to require more subtle or artistic tweaks that make aesthetic sense for your living space. (Book shelves, deep-backed paintings filled with fiberglass/rock-wool, Decorative diffusion panels, etc.)

Full open baffle setup will definitely make things easier to deal with since you don't need to worry as much about about the side waves radiating from the cabinets, and just the front/rear walls and early reflection points.

And I don't know your room layout beyond its basic space, but in order to reduce as many resonant peaks/troughs its a good idea to follow the 2/5s & 3/5 rule putting your speakers roughly 7-8' into the room 7' from each side wall. And find a place about 4-5' from the rear wall, or wherever you think sounds best.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Tyson on 16 Sep 2020, 02:29 am
Full OB is the way to go in a problematic room like that.  NX-Ottica all the way, IME.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: VinceT on 16 Sep 2020, 03:13 am
I'm still in the process of building my pair, so I'll leave that to those with more experience..

But a nearly cubic room is going to be rough to manage for any sysem, esp in the bass & sub-bass ranges. Your room is going to require a fair bit of treatment likely corner bass traps, diffusion panels, and suspended absorption panels hanging from the ceiling to break up the air space and any standing waves.
But I can imagine that if it is a living room, it's going to require more subtle or artistic tweaks that make aesthetic sense for your living space. (Book shelves, deep-backed paintings filled with fiberglass/rock-wool, Decorative diffusion panels, etc.)

Full open baffle setup will definitely make things easier to deal with since you don't need to worry as much about about the side waves radiating from the cabinets, and just the front/rear walls and early reflection points.

And I don't know your room layout beyond its basic space, but in order to reduce as many resonant peaks/troughs its a good idea to follow the 2/5s & 3/5 rule putting your speakers roughly 7-8' into the room 7' from each side wall. And find a place about 4-5' from the rear wall, or wherever you think sounds best.

Thanks Hobbs, that's a whole subject in itself I have yet to really dig into. Biggest issue is going to be WAF factor for sure affecting her beautiful living room with room treatments. I hope to maybe cut the room down by 75% to get rid of the cube shape but I still have the ceiling height to contend with. To make matters worse there is a foot tall ledge with recessed lighting up in the ceiling that circumvents the whole room. Those hanging panels are going to be a tough sell. My hope is to get the NX-Otticas and Servo subs up and running so when she hears it, she lets me do what I need to with the room because it sounds so darn good!  :lol:
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: VinceT on 16 Sep 2020, 03:20 am
Full OB is the way to go in a problematic room like that.  NX-Ottica all the way, IME.

Yes that's what I was thinking. I wanted to go with the NX-Tremes but very concerned about vertical modes in this room so the Otticas it is. I plan on building a system that can also accommodate HT also OB 2 channel. I want to use 4 of the AV/1RS for the height speakers, what would you guys go with for the side surrounds? (really was hoping the studios would work in my system)

BTW Tyson, been coming across a lot of your posts lately when searching AC....man you have me thinking about a 300B now...lol
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Tyson on 16 Sep 2020, 04:31 am
The beauty of the NX-Ottica, NX-Treme as well as the Super 7 (which is what I own) is that the bass is offloaded to the subs so your main amp only has to drive the mids and highs.  Couple that with 95 to 97 db efficiency and fairly flat impedance curves and you now have the ability to run some VERY interesting amps with these babies.  Personally I rotate between a Type 45 amp, an EL84 amp, some Single Ended Pentode Monoblocks, my 2a3/300b amp and a 6C33 amp, all of them are under 20 watts and each of them is hella fun to listen to. 

Re: HT and 2 channel, I'd recommend optimizing 2 channel first.  Mainly because it's really hard to optimize for both, and usually 2 channel is what suffers if you try.  Also, when you hear how big/spacious really good OB speakers sound, you may not miss the surround stuff all that much.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: VinceT on 4 Oct 2020, 03:09 pm
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Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: catastrofe on 22 Jan 2023, 02:36 pm
Wondering if anyone has compared the NX-Studio and the Philharmonic BMR Monitor.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Danny Richie on 25 Jan 2023, 12:05 am
Wondering if anyone has compared the NX-Studio and the Philharmonic BMR Monitor.

That is not a comparison.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: catastrofe on 25 Jan 2023, 01:51 am
That is not a comparison.

How about something more informative? The Philharmonics seem to be well regarded.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Hobbsmeerkat on 25 Jan 2023, 02:23 am
They have issues, especially in the vertical axis as the drivers are too far apart (esp tweeter/mid) and they cross too high.
They do have a wide horizontal dispersion pattern making for some positive attribute in regards to soundstage, but will also likely call for room treatment as more sound will be hitting the side walls.

We haven't looked at them in house, but Erin has some solid measurements:
https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/philharmonic_bmr/

The NX-Studios will lose in terms of bass extension as it is a sealed design and the Philharmonic is ported. However, the NX use of an open-backed tweeter allows for a much faster attack as well as a better sense of space and layering within the soundstage.
The waveguide also allows for better low-end extension of the tweeter, as well as a more controlled dispersion, keeping the drivers more coherent over a wider rang, especially in the vertical axis.

They're very different speakers, and they will please different people for different reasons, as they do things very differently.

The best way to compare them would be to listen to both of them and come to your own conclusions.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: catastrofe on 25 Jan 2023, 02:48 pm
They have issues, especially in the vertical axis as the drivers are too far apart (esp tweeter/mid) and they cross too high.
They do have a wide horizontal dispersion pattern making for some positive attribute in regards to soundstage, but will also likely call for room treatment as more sound will be hitting the side walls.

We haven't looked at them in house, but Erin has some solid measurements:
https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/philharmonic_bmr/

The NX-Studios will lose in terms of bass extension as it is a sealed design and the Philharmonic is ported. However, the NX use of an open-backed tweeter allows for a much faster attack as well as a better sense of space and layering within the soundstage.
The waveguide also allows for better low-end extension of the tweeter, as well as a more controlled dispersion, keeping the drivers more coherent over a wider rang, especially in the vertical axis.

They're very different speakers, and they will please different people for different reasons, as they do things very differently.

The best way to compare them would be to listen to both of them and come to your own conclusions.

Thanks for the more detailed response. I'll look for an opportunity to hear them in person.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Danny Richie on 25 Jan 2023, 10:03 pm
How about something more informative? The Philharmonics seem to be well regarded.

Honest replies from me regarding comparisons of our products to others is frowned upon. So you'll have to get that feedback from everyone else.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: catastrofe on 26 Jan 2023, 04:15 am
Have a look at their vertical off axis response and you'll see huge holes in the response from poor time arrival issues.

The RAAL ribbons have a nice trailing edge to them but lack attack and won't play down very low. They are really no match for our Neo's in an open baffle application like the NX Studio monitors.

Also the ceramic based woofer is not going to deliver the level of clarity and pure natural sound of the N165NQ woofer. It really is not a comparison.

Have a look inside at the parts quality too. No comparison there either. We offer higher quality parts in our base level, budget oriented kits.

Thanks Danny. Maybe I'll get a chance to audition them at some point.
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: NXSTUDIO-DRUMMER on 26 Jan 2023, 07:28 pm
I've personally have never auditioned the speaker manufacturer Philharmonic BMR Monitor, I've heard favorable reviews though. I can only speak for the kit I personally own, which happens to be the NX Studio's. I've yet to read any unfavarable reviews or comments about the NX Stuido's.

 Am I biased?
The speaker performance sold itself to me, and I'm a tough sell. I've been playing music for over 50 years as a percussionist and music enthusiast.

I've yet to hear any monitor speaker, in price or performance, that can match these speakers. Some of the monitors, I've dealt with in recording studio's, simply do not deliver the same of amount of accuracy, which my NX Studio's produce.

I realize your shopping, I was too over a year ago. What I wasn't expecting, was the overwhelming positive support from Danny and his staff at GR Research, as well as the GR RESEARCH FORUM on Audio circle.  It's been such a positive experience. Factoring in what the NX Studio's perform on their own, I feel like I hit the multi-million dollar lottery!  Seriously,  If my house burned down tomorrow, two things I would immeadiately bring out, one would be my drums, as well as, my NX STUDIO'S. :drums:


Granted. I realize your taking multiple things into consideration, but weigh them all out! If I was a betting man, I'll put my studio's up over the Philharmonic BMR Monitor alternative speaker kit your considering all day long!  Am I confident, yes, I hear the results in the studio, these speakers are fantastic!!!!!

In summary,
I'm biased to what I hear acoustically, in the Studio mix? .... Answer: Yes 
GR RESEARCH NX STUDIO'S DELIVER THE GOODS!

Best of luck, in your search!

(This is not a sales pitch, I loathe sales pitches tossed around, rather than positive results experienced.)


Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: VinceT on 26 Jan 2023, 07:55 pm
  Seriously,  If my house burned down tomorrow, two things I would run out the houuse with, would be my drums and my NX STUDIO'S on my back! :drums:


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=249228)



As a drummer myself, a good set of bookshelf speakers are def a plus in case of a fire
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: NXSTUDIO-DRUMMER on 26 Jan 2023, 08:04 pm

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=249228)



As a drummer myself, a good set of bookshelf speakers are def a plus in case of a fire
Amen to that brother!
Title: Re: Tyson's NX-Studio Monitor Review
Post by: Hattrick17 on 11 Apr 2023, 06:27 pm
Thank you for the review.  My interest of buying these will be comparable studio monitors vs these?  Being other passive monitors like Amphion One - 18  would be a close competitor on the commercial side.  https://amphion.fi/products/one18/    Also how do they translate after mixing with them?