2 Man Rave Aug 5, 2011

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2 Man Rave Aug 5, 2011
« on: 6 Aug 2011, 07:56 pm »
My good buddy Bernie came by Friday (250 mile trip one way) to join me on a trip to the local hi-end dealer here in Indy and later for a 2-man rave at my house.  First about the visit to the local audio salon:

On the floor of the spacious listening room was a pair of Magico Q5s driven by Chord electronics monoblocks ($49K)  and what appeared to be very exotic cabling.  The Q5s have been on the floor playing for several weeks now so they must be very close to fully broken in.  I had heard this same setup before and was anxious to get Bernie's take.  Bernie is not a casual listener by any means.  He sits in the sweet spot with PURPOSE...trust me...and he has a very discerning ear having listened to many, many different systems over the years.  We played "Cannonesque" from Kirk Whalum's "Colors" cd with its demanding treble and bass information.  We also played a vocal track from a Norah Jones cd.  The Q5s, even though positioned a good 10 ft. from the front wall, did a respectable job on the low end with decent slam and control.  But both of us noticed a slightly etched treble on Whalum's sax as well as on Jones' vocal.  It was nothing terrible but seemed like enough of a problem that it could eventually lead to listening fatigue.  Sitting against the front wall were the new McIntosh MC601 monoblocks that have replaced the venerable MC501s.  The salon owner was kind enough to swap the 601s with the Chord monoblocks and then left us to our own devices.  With the 601s it was immediately obvious that the "etchiness" was lessened on both the sax and the vocals.  The low end was at least as good and perhaps slightly more controlled.  That's something of a revelation when you consider that the McIntosh monoblocks at $12.5K are about 1/4 the price of the Chords....the admittedly aesthetically stunning Chords.  If this whole hobby truly is "all about the music" then the choice between the MAC and Chord monoblocks becomes a no-brainer.

Now fast forward to my house.  For some perspective here is my system top to bottom:

McIntosh MCD500 cd/sacd player
McIntosh C500 controller/preamp
Rega P3-24 with RB300/Exact 2
McIntosh MC501 monoblocks
Von Schweikert VR5 Anniversaries
Velodyne Optimum 12 Subwoofer (2)
MIT CVT Terminator 1 Pro XLR interconnects
Verbatim biwire speaker cables
Combination of Lessloss and DIY power cords

Bernie and I played the same two tracks on my system with the volume at roughly the same level as it was at the salon.  I didn't express my opinion but rather opted to let Bernie, sitting in the sweet spot (the Capt. Kirk chair) go first.  The first thing out of his mouth was "has the owner of the audio store ever heard your system?"...to which I replied "no".  He said "well this sounds better than anything we heard up there today".  Bernie went on to say that the etched nature of the sax and vocals was completely gone and that the soundstage depth was much greater with instruments more realistically placed in space.  I agree with his assessment 100% and would add that the bass on the Whalum track seemed better controlled and more apparent.  No doubt the bass being more apparent was due to the subwoofers but we're not talking about a one-note bass here.  It was very controlled and articulate.

I probably should share that Bernie also owns the VR5 Anniversaries and is familiar with their sound and in some respects the VSA "house sound".  Anyone familiar with Albert's speakers will tell you that they are a forgiving speaker...a musical speaker, whatever that really means.  What it means for me is that you can sit and listen to them for hours (just ask my wife) and never experience any sort of listener's fatigue.  But what is remarkable about VSA speakers is that the lack of fatigue doesn't come at the expense of resolution.  I own ML electrostatics and Albert's speakers are similarly capable of incredible resolution.

OK I can hear your thoughts at this point..."so Gavin, you're saying that a $28K pair of VSA speakers can go toe-to-toe with the big bad Magico Q5s?"  Well not really.  What I'm saying is, based on what Bernie and I heard today, they kicked their aluminum butts.  No crossed fingers here guys and if you have a stack of family Bibles you'd like me to swear upon I'd be more than happy to do so.










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Re: 2 Man Rave Aug 5, 2011
« Reply #1 on: 6 Aug 2011, 09:57 pm »
Nice story Gavin,

Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I heard the Q5 lately so I know what you mean.
I can imagine you had a wonderful time together.

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Re: 2 Man Rave Aug 5, 2011
« Reply #2 on: 6 Aug 2011, 11:09 pm »
Hey Cor..

Thanks for the picture edit but now my wrinkles are more pronounced  :duh:

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Re: 2 Man Rave Aug 5, 2011
« Reply #3 on: 7 Aug 2011, 02:03 am »
Nice writeup.  250mile audio trip. That is something I would do.

 Thanks for sharing!

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Re: 2 Man Rave Aug 5, 2011
« Reply #4 on: 7 Aug 2011, 02:22 pm »
This is good to know Gavin. We will be using the VR-5 Annies at RMAF and reading this thread makes me even more excited.

Its funny when I read about people comparing McIntosh as I am about 15 minutes from McIntosh Labs and even closer to Audio Classics, the largest Mac dealer around, where Mac products, both new and vintage, line the walls.

By the way, love the artwork on the front wall.

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Re: 2 Man Rave Aug 5, 2011
« Reply #5 on: 7 Aug 2011, 07:58 pm »
This is good to know Gavin. We will be using the VR-5 Annies at RMAF and reading this thread makes me even more excited.

Its funny when I read about people comparing McIntosh as I am about 15 minutes from McIntosh Labs and even closer to Audio Classics, the largest Mac dealer around, where Mac products, both new and vintage, line the walls.

By the way, love the artwork on the front wall.

Hey Bill..

I visited your website and had a look around.  Those are some pretty nifty pieces you've got there.  It will be interesting to see how your equipment matches up with the Annies.  I'm betting "well" would describe it.  Here's a better picture of my front wall "art work".  Those are all the SD album covers "Can't Buy a Thrill" thru "Gaucho" with "Aja" taking center stage.  I snapped them with my Nikon D60 and had them enlarged and mounted on foam board.  My brother owns a framing shop so he and I did that part...over a few beers as I recall.




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Re: 2 Man Rave Aug 5, 2011
« Reply #6 on: 7 Aug 2011, 11:29 pm »
I'm the old fart in the black shirt and glasses (on the right in both pix).  Read the prior post one up from yours to learn more about the pictures.  And yes, I've been a Dan fan since day one  :thumb:

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Re: 2 Man Rave Aug 5, 2011
« Reply #7 on: 7 Aug 2011, 11:31 pm »
Awesome room!!!!! I bet the Dan sound tremendous on your rig!!!  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
I know if I actually read the posts I'd find out which one you were probably too.....thats why I rewrote my post, trying to save a little embarrassment.

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Re: 2 Man Rave Aug 5, 2011
« Reply #8 on: 7 Aug 2011, 11:59 pm »
HI Gavin. That's a great idea of snapping shots of album covers. I might have to do that with my Alan Parsons collection. I do a lot of custom frame work (don't tell anyone) so I could do a whole series. Someday when you see these pictures over my system, I hope you don't mind me copying your idea :?

Will you be at RMAF? We had the Reference in the VR33 last year and it seemed to work out very well and the Ultra GT is numerous levels above and beyond the Reference. Albert and crew are great people so not only will our products mate well together, everyone involved will get along extremely well so it should be a great time.

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Re: 2 Man Rave Aug 5, 2011
« Reply #9 on: 8 Aug 2011, 01:49 pm »
Hey Bill..

I always plan to attend but invariably something comes up, preventing my attendance.  Maybe this will be my year and if so, you can bet I'll be camping out in your and Albert's room.