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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => The Vintage Circle => Topic started by: Rclark on 21 Feb 2014, 12:51 am
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Friend had these sitting around, he's no audiophile, they were his dad's. So he just gave them to me :thumb:
Officially an audiophile with several sets of good speakers now :green:
Wasn't expecting much, had no idea what these are, plugged them into my Ncores last night and ended up listening till dawn. To say I was impressed is an understatement.
Impressions to follow. The crossover actually has a somewhat complicated use and I have to learn what the special inputs do.
But so far, is it safe to use the word "magic" to describe a vintage speaker? Because these have it. Lovely, lovely things.
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Wow! You are one lucky dude. Those look like they are in very nice condition too. Are the surrounds rubber? I don't remember.
I lusted over a pair of those back in the day... The mid '80s? I nearly convinced a buddy to buy a pair (he had the money, I was broke) purely from my own enthusiasm. But I held on to my MET 7s instead while worked and fed myself. By the time I could afford them I decided to buy a pair of SoundLab dynastats instead. Always like those M&Ks.
Anyway, enjoy those puppies. Four of 'em huh? Wow again. They made a killer sub to go with them. They made quite a few subs I think. Really nice score man. You owe someone a big thank-you card. :bowdown:
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Yeah they were pretty dusty but I went over them with the vacuum cleaner, swiffer, then a damp sponge. Listening to them right now as I set up my room and they are pretty astonishing. Extremely pleasant and unfatiguing. Very detailed.
Yeah, I know, 4! With grills. And not only that, but the pairs have consecutive serial numbers meaning they were likely hand matched.
Amps might have something to do with it but they're really impressive. I was struggling for nitpicks last night.
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Yeah they were pretty dusty but I went over them with the vacuum cleaner, swiffer, then a damp sponge. Listening to them right now as I set up my room and they are pretty astonishing. Extremely pleasant and unfatiguing. Very detailed.
Yeah, I know, 4! With grills. And not only that, but the pairs have consecutive serial numbers meaning they were likely hand matched.
Amps might have something to do with it but they're really impressive. I was struggling for nitpicks last night.
Hi Rclark and all Audio Circle members.
About 45 years ago, I had something similar to those.
The brand name was RSC (Radio Speaker of Canada)
long time gone.
The sound was gorgeous, lots of bass for such small enclosure.
As for me, I had to buy them and I was not lucky like you
and got them free.
Enjoy, lucky guy.
Guy 13
I am also lucky in my own way.
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Hey Guy :D.
I don't believe these are as old as that. Do you still have those speakers?
These are nothing like that as they are sealed. Definitely not bass heavy speakers, probably their only downfall, easily remedied with a subwoofer. They bass they do produce, however, is generally very high quality. Their strength is in incredibly transparent and coherent midrange and high range that doesn't sound like a small speaker. also just a relaxed presentation. So good.
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Yeah you can just assume my review is going to be chock full of superlatives. these are gorgeous speakers.
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Hey Guy :D.
I don't believe these are as old as that. Do you still have those speakers?
These are nothing like that as they are sealed. Definitely not bass heavy speakers, probably their only downfall, easily remedied with a subwoofer. They bass they do produce, however, is generally very high quality. Their strength is in incredibly transparent and coherent midrange and high range that doesn't sound like a small speaker. also just a relaxed presentation. So good.
Ho Rclark and all Audio Circle members.
Its so long ago, that I am not sure how long I kept them
and what I did with them,
but one thing I am sure,
I should have kept them, they were really nice bookshelves speakers.
For near field listening they had lots of bass.
I drove them with my SOUND Audio (That one also is not around anymore) 35wpc solid state amplifier.
After that I got a pair of DIY horn made by I don't know who ?
Guy 13
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Rclark- you are one lucky guy! That generation of M&K speakers was outstanding at the time. Being just out of college, I couldn't afford those, but did get an early pair of their little brothers, the SX4 (which I still have, and still sound good. The Vifa tweeters were excellent.) The S1B would have been from the mid-80s.
I'll bet I even have some of the original literature on those. I'll see if I can track it down and get a scan.
He didn't happen to gift you the matching MK sub, did he?
Ben
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Nope, no sub, but now I've got to hear one :o
Well from the way you describe how these speakers were received when they came out, their price point (apparently $2000/pair, who knows what that translates to today, 4G's? 5?), and my own experience with them I have to say that positively superb speakers existed long ago and can definitely hold their own today.
As far as stand mount speakers I've run, these are the best I've heard, definitely beating the N2x's I had in there. Going back over my review and reading my own gripes on those speakers, I hear none of that with these. Again, I struggled to find anything wrong with them.
First of all, the tweeters are absolutely magic. Very very textured and detailed, tons of color, fast, and don't sound like a flat horizontal source like regular monitors. These are a line source and they have size and space. Clarity is superb, seperation basically flawless. Off axis is great, you can walk all around and not lose any of the above attributes.
I think the seperate tweeter enclosure must have something to do with it. Must have been pretty high tech then, and even now, is a feature seen on only really high end stuff, the seperated tweeter enclosure.
There is no audible transition between highs and lows, from the Vifa tweeter section to the sealed Seas mids below, they are as coherent as could be. Normally I would itch to mod the crossover. Nuh uh. I'm leaving them stock so others can hear what a technological marvel they are. Ear next to speaker? Dead silence. Ncores, yeah, but mid 80's crossover. Dead silent.
The mids are warm and detailed, with punch when called for. Definitley not JBL's though. These are an audiophile speaker for critical listening. However a sub really helps out here.
The speakers are completely transparent, that was the biggest shocker to me. With the n2x I remember hearing an audible transition between neo tweeter and mid, but also being able to localize the box quite easily and get a sense of its dimensions. These? These just melt away..
Overall the sound is intoxicating, dazzlingly musical, and leaves nothing desired when listening to music. I felt no need to drag something else in during my inital listening. I was mostly smiling in disbelief.
The crossover has multiple settings, from rolled off to full bypass on the tweeters (6 settings), the mids have a setting from low efficiency, strong bass power, to high efficieny, brighter sound (6 settings). Pretty neat.
The cabinets are weighty and very sturdily built. Will post more pictures in a few days.
Would I consider these keepers? Absolutely, a resounding yes. Nothing has replaced my modded MMG' (ultimately still, my best speakers), but these are going to sit here for a long long while before I bring the maggies back in. That's saying a lot. These are spectacular.
When I find a suitable center channel speaker, these will be the basis for a 5.1 theater. My first.
Something to take away from this? Don't shy away from vintage speakers, thinking they won't have performance! For the price I'd guess you could get them for I'd easily take them over a comparably priced completed N2x.
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Thats a great find Rclark, I love to hear neat stories like these. The coolest part is you got plenty of them.....4 dusty speakers sitting around and your buddy says check them out and your like screaming inside your head....."yeah baby"" "yeah baby" very cool. Get a sub you may find one on CL cheap so you hear them with the low end.
I would think the sub would blend in easily, all 8 tweeters and woofers should allow one to sneak in under the full sound they already have....enjoy!!!!!!! :D
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Hey Ed :D. Hope you're doing well.
It wasn't a "yeah baby" moment. These things were sitting in a garage, covered in cobwebs. There was a layer of dirt around the enclosures, and what looked like grass or hay matted on the grills. Never heard of M & K. The switches on the back meant to me some useless, sound robbing gimmick. I saw the stacked tweeters and just imagined an awful sound. It was more, "hey let me put those on my amps and see if they do anything."
After hearing the first pair :o I offered to buy them and he just said, eh, you'll appreciate them more than me, you see how I treated them, you can just have them.
I was like no?!...really? ...no!?
But honestly it's a great outcome. He has no other gear than these speakers, listens to music streamed over his cell phone speaker, not even with headphones, and he thinks that's great, gets tv audio from the built in speakers on his old CRT, and watches movies played over an old xbox, which adds a nice layer of fan noise. He doesn't care. They were wasted on him and really neglected.
But after a deep clean, I even cleaned all the connections with rubbing alcohol, man, they look great! And the important bits, the drivers and crossover, appear to all be in perfect running order, not a dent or dimple, and the surrounds all feel new. Again, it all sounds quite amazing. I would love to throw them head to head with more modern high end speakers and see just how they fare.
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Congratulations, Mr. Clark!
There's magic in the older stereo gear and it's always such a great surprise.
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Friend had these sitting around, he's no audiophile, they were his dad's. So he just gave them to me :thumb:
Officially an audiophile with several sets of good speakers now :green:
Wasn't expecting much, had no idea what these are, plugged them into my Ncores last night and ended up listening till dawn. To say I was impressed is an understatement.
Impressions to follow. The crossover actually has a somewhat complicated use and I have to learn what the special inputs do.
But so far, is it safe to use the word "magic" to describe a vintage speaker? Because these have it. Lovely, lovely things.
I bought a 3 piece M&K speaker system brand new in 1977. At the time I was looking for a 3 piece system. Listened to several systems but hands down the M&K's were the best sounding. I think they cost about $1,400 then. I still have them all boxed up. Maybe someday I'll listen to them.
Cheers
Charlie
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I am a owner of a complete 5.1 set of M&K S-150THX. This was my entry inti Home Theater in early 1990s. Ken Kreisel is truly in the audio industry's hall of fame. He is the first to commercially design build and market the Satellite and subwoofer concept ( there may be some argument here).
He started with Mr. Jonas Miller building in his garage or basement or some small place, but his company became top manufacture of speakers till going out of business in early 2000s. The reason of the company fall is disputed between claims of foreign knockoffs to bad management.
One of the company claims of high quality control that every speaker was hand matched parts and tested. There was a huge excitement for the company's auction.You can still find a rather good following and selling of products on eBay. You have to be careful in buying on eBay and its good to know what identification clues when buying M&K on the internet. The intellectual right were bought by an overseas company who now manufactures. Mr. Kreisel now has a new company manufacturing subwoofers which he has always been know for his push - pull 2 woofer design.
You certainly were given a significant gift in terms of worth. You can visit eBay an determine what is the current value for your speakers should you be intersted.
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Here's the trifold brochure that includes the S1B. I've also found the 4 page catalog. let me know if you'd be interested in a scan and I'll get it uploaded.
I do think Ken's designs have held up well over the years. My original sub isn't quite up to current state of the art in power/response, but it still works pretty well with the satellites. I recently fired them up with my also ancient Hafler equipment, and it really was impressive.
Over the years, I always found MK to be very customer centric, and often had Ken respond directly. I also picked up a 5.1 set up shortly before MK closed, and got a very nice set up at a bargain price. I just wish I'd had the budget for the MPS-2550s he had at the time.
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I'm glad these went to a good and appreciative home!
Ben
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I used to have a pair of these that I bought new in 1990.
Where is the sub?
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Wow, that's neat :thumb:. Yeah the literature is using the exact word I was searching for: holographic. I can tell by looking at these other designs that they were very advanced speakers. If you can find the 4 page ad, that would be great! Other people would find it useful too, I'm sure.
And man, I'm feeling like Sean Connery right now cause you guys have me wanting to go sub hunting!
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These appear to get downsized a bit, but I think they are still legible- if not, let me know and I'll em a copy.
I'll bet you'll be able to track down a V-1B with some hunting. You could even drop KK a note, he might have some leads, as he's had a pretty good trade in program for people to try out his new line.
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Ben, thanks for the beautiful scans :thumb:
Have them cranked up some today and focusing on the mid and midbass.. still stunned. Still have my brow pleasurably furrowed and head bobbing.. looove the sound of sealed speakers here. Punchy, warm, a nice clean snarl... have to think I am powering them with top tier amps of a capability that perhaps didn't even exist when they came out, not for less than the cost of a house anyway... but the speakers really do disappear and leave you with gooey, dreamy, grab you by the ear music. You're swimming in it.
What keeps getting me is how coherent they are. Vocals are also just woooow. Wow! I have respect for box speakers now. But high end only.
I would LOVE to bring these to compare to a "modern" expensive box speaker. Most certain they would hold their ground or even win. So good.
I'll take some close up and size comparison pics tommorrow, and as I upgrade my system, I will periodically update this thread.
Was expecting these to sound okay and maybe burn them for firewood, not this.
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Sorry- the scans are getting compressed and aren't the most readable. I'd be happy to email the full files to anyone- just IM or EM with your email.
Rclark- you might want to keep an eye out for Vifa drivers "just in case", I've picked up a few new ones on the auction site. Over 29 years, I think I replaced 2-3 of them. Of course, that was back when I didn't know any better and used to turn them up to "11".
- Ben
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I think the tweeters are Vifa's and the mids are Seas, right? I'd love to know the models used so I can read about them and order some spares. They won't ever get pushed to 11, though, I get the feeling these will last a lifetime if they've made it this far. These are just such beautiful sounding drivers, I have to open the cabinets tommorrow and see them.
They do hint at being able to wail though. I've just not pushed them that hard yet. Right now listening to Beck's new album and basking in the soundstage.
Would you send me the higher res scans? I'd really appreciate it. Bcustum2@hotmail.com
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I wouldn't take those apart just to look at the drivers. They survived this long, they still sound good,,, just enjoy them.
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Okay, I'm confused as to if Miller and Kreisel is still in business. Does anyone know for sure if they're still around? The internet isn't clear as to their current business status.
HsvHeelFan
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I remember M&K from back in the day. I lived in a house with a small satellite/woofer M&K combo somewhere around 80-81 (I think it was their top model at the time - homeowner was a salesman at the Stereo store that sold them - I think it was Sun Stereo in Stockton CA).
It was a very musical sounding system and I was introduced to many pieces of 60's-70's Vinyl that I was unfamiliar with at the time (I'll always remember giving the poor guy a heart attack after listening to something I didn't recognize at first and saying "These guys are pretty good - who is it? Doors - LA Woman :green:)
Very good speakers in their time.
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MK Sound owns the licensing and designs purchased from the shut down of Miller and Kreisel (M&K) around 2010.
Ken Kreisel has started up Ken Kreisel Sound, which initially was only subwoofers, but now looks like he has gotten back into a line of multichannel speakers- "Quattro"- looks like they feature tri-pole surrounds.
Rclark- full versions em'd to you. Let me know if they don't come through.
- Ben
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I never imagined I'd be saying this after my first inspection of these speakers. I can't believe I'm typing this. Maybe it's the synergy with my amps, the diffusers in my room, whatever it is, these speakers are absolutely astonishing, breathtaking. My plan now... is to keep this pair in here long, long term and put my Maggies in the living room. Not that they're better, have yet to do a head to head, but these speakers in this room, right now, sound ridiculous.
When I get an H4 recorder I'll prove it.
Thanks, Ben, I'll check my email soon. Reza.
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So several people have been by to hear this system and have come away as equally impressed as I. These speakers are getting that max capability from the Ncores. The speakers are the Lotus chassis and the Ncores are a fully race tuned transmission and V8.
But the car can go even faster. Anyone care to explain the special inputs? I assume they are for biamping the top section? The manual strangely leaves this topic unanswered.
Got this Virtue Two.2 on Claritycaps with battery supply just sitting around...
But even if biamping is possible, my guess is single pair of Ncores beats Ncores + Virtue on tweeters.
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Oh Yeah, oh yeah, oh YEAH! Congrats RClark, awesome find. I spent my savings on a pair of S-1b's and a V-1b sub in the mid '80's bought from Jonas Miller Sound in Santa Monica (long since closed). It's my understanding that they were the first satellite/sub system out there and at the time, that's where I thought all speaker design was going to go. I met Ken Kreisel in the store when I bought them and he actually explained the concept to me and helped me with some issues I was having setting them up. We've been in touch off an on since, he's very accessible btw, he answers emails if you have any questions. I know most of us have a kind of geeky love affair with our equipment, and I guess you could say these were my first love.
Over the years I collected another V-1b and three more S-1b's, used off CL and ebay and put together a killer 5.1 (or .2 actually) system just as Star Wars episode 1 came out on DVD. When that big silver cruiser flew overhead in the beginning, it FLEW OVERHEAD. I ended up suspending them from the ceiling, it was the only way I could practically set them up in the living room. I quickly got into SACD's and DVD-A's and like you, blew away all my friends. I personally believe you have to have full range speakers for your surrounds, especially if your going to listen to multi-channel music and these fit the bill perfectly.
The S-1b's are rock solid, I'm not sure I could have blown them out. I was driving them with Adcom amps, good budget mid-high fi. I didn't know high end at the time. Now that I know more, I regret selling them because I'd like to hear how they'd do with a better system feeding them. I'll bet your Ncores are a great match for them. I did know what the Special speaker terminals were for at one time, but I've since forgotten. I might have it jotted down somewhere, I'll let you know.
When I got married I dismantled the system and sold everything off. When I got divorced, I slowly started rebuilding and went much more audiophile. I decided to go in another direction for speakers and am very happy with my current setup. The only fault I could find with the M&K's is that they were a little analytical and not quite as natural sounding as my current setup, but as I said, I didn't have a really good system to drive them.
M&K built some very high end monitors that are still used professionally, I know of one studio that still uses them as their main monitors. So they come with a very good pedigree. Very accurate, flat and detailed. You will hear all the faults, but at the same time, they never overwhelmed my listening room as my current speakers sometimes do. In fact, M&K had their own record label as I recall and made some good audiophile CD's all mastered with M&K speakers.
I still have the V-1b's and recently reconed them and put in new plate amps. They are not bad, but they don't really stand up to what you can get today. I found them pretty easy to overdrive. On the positive side though, they are very musical. They're sealed and they have a fixed crossover at 125Hz specifically designed for the S-1b. I think it's a 4th order crossover, not sure. So for music they're good, for HT, I'd look for something else. When you get your sub, which I'm sure you will :wink:, cross over at 125Hz and you should be good.
That's all that comes to mind right now, if I remember anything else, I'll post. Again, congrats!
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What a great great post! Thanks for that!
Really proud to own these. Long term update is yeah, they are totally unreal, perfect in this midsize room. Over the next year, my last bits for the hi fi are some bass trapping, more diffusers, and a dspeaker dual core 2.0. Can't wait to wring these out for all they're worth :thumb:
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Anyone in the Seattle area interested in doing a shootout with their more modern stand mount speakers? I keep laughing at how amazing these sound and would love to put them up against something new. For reference, these outclass a GR N2, you will need to come harder. Will bring Ncores if you're curious about those.
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I want to hear a pair of these old things
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Anyone in the Seattle area interested in doing a shootout with their more modern stand mount speakers? I keep laughing at how amazing these sound and would love to put them up against something new. For reference, these outclass a GR N2, you will need to come harder. Will bring Ncores if you're curious about those.
I'd love to hear them. I'm near downtown Seattle. I also use an Ncore. I have a pair of Volent VL2s and Selah Monitors, plus Daedalus DA-RMas.
PM me if you'd like.
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Excellent, I'll arrange something with both of you. :thumb:
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Wish I was up there, would love to sit in. From memory, I would say they will be hard to beat for shear tight, solidity. They're fast, yes.. but they also have SLAM. No flab these. Damn, put those with a modern subwoofer... DO IT.
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Interesting thread. I saw a pair of these in a pawn shop today for $189. About how efficient are they?
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So I bought a pair of these from a pawn shop for $140. Not as efficient as I'd like, but far more musical and revealing than I would have expected. These could easily compete with anything for $1000 and quite possibly even $2000. The Pioneer BS22 are wonderful little speakers with superb value, but they don't hold a smoldering candle to these.
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Ah vindication!
Aren't they amazing? I still have mine plugged in, Maggies waiting patiently in the other room, resting up. Maybe you'll have better luck proving it to someone in your area, schedules clashed over on my end.
These speakers deserve a shootout against something new and high end. Agreed!
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Had a house party the other night and had these things up pretty loud. For such old speakers, they absolutely wail when pushed, and produce very, very strong bass. We left my subwoofer off but I stepped outside and these speakers were producing strong, sub like bass that carried quite a distance. Of course being sealed, and off Ncores that's just a recipe for extremely tight, tuneful notes as well.
Best of both worlds, extremely musical, transparent, audiophile level, true high end, that also crank like JBL's but without the chuffing ports.
Anyway, my point is these speakers will last a lifetime and can be run as loud as you please.
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So I have been running these speakers in my main rig exclusively. Maggies are in the living room where they have a little more room to breathe (and as they are Magnestands, they dress up the room quite well).
But these speakers sound just amazing and I have run them nonstop, daily since I unearthed them. And they may as well be brand new despite that I know they were run from day one when purchased in the 80's by the original owner. These were used in a party room, hung from the ceiling, all 4 of them, supplementing large floorstanders. Those guys liked to party.
These will run forever, nothing fragile or cheap about them.
Very much looking forward to a shootout in Jonbee's system. He owns gear that would be considered ultra high end by Circle standards, so looking forward to bringing these over, just a matter of time that we hook up.
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A while back, I sent Ken Kreisel a note to let him know of this thread, as I thought he'd like to see the reviews on how well the S1-b family has held up over time. I think he really enjoyed seeing the comments. He's got some interesting new stuff that he's developed, if you haven't had a look.
Great imaging and clarity on the Sat/sub systems-- I still remember first hearing them at an audio showroom in suburban Chicago in the mid-80s and bought a set that week with my first "real job" (post-college) paycheck. They still sound good.
- Ben
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How do the stacked tweeters work on these? Are the crossed separately?
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Not sure how it works, haven't opened them up. Would be interesting to learn more. Perhaps we can convince Ken to stop in and give us a post mortem on this design?
Still haven't really seen any other speakers with adjustable external controls like this. Not for analogue speakers anyway.
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How do the stacked tweeters work on these? Are the crossed separately?
I'm only guessing, but I always thought the dual tweeters were primarily for better power handling. They likely allow for a lower crossover point also, since neither tweeter has to work as hard while trying to keep distortion in check.
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I'm only guessing, but I always thought the dual tweeters were primarily for better power handling. They likely allow for a lower crossover point also, since neither tweeter has to work as hard while trying to keep distortion in check.
Whatever solution he used, it works very well. Definitely low distortion. They are incredible, really.
I think tomorrow, now that I am good and comfortable with how they sound, I think I'll try them with my modded Virtue amp on batteries, and see what they are like with a lot less power, but something that could be more of an analogue to what would have been a high end amp for the time of these speakers when they were new. And 80 watts instead of 500.
I do think the Ncores would be considered well beyond even the best amps of that era.
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So, these speakers have been in my main system for a year. My Gunned Magnepan MMG's have been collecting acres of dust in the living room (of course I jest, I'm not going to let that beautiful woodwork sit without the occasional pass with a swiffer). I never really use the living room much, and when I do, the smaller amp I have on them does no justice. Maggies need power.
But either way, pretty shocked I've been on box speakers so long since first getting Maggies, getting an amp, modding hell out of amp, modding Maggies, getting Ncores, building diffusers for them, all that.
It's just that in the space I listen to music most, these speakers outshine the Maggies, and allow me to move about more practically.
However I am moving next month and my main musical space will probably shift to a new, larger room. I imagine these delicious speakers will be set aside for my well rested Maggies, as, ultimately they are better speakers, given the room to breathe.
But these, oh these, these have opened my ears to what a truly good box speaker can sound like, and have given me the knowledge that all speaker types can get you where you want to go, but they must be chosen carefully to match the room they will likely reside in.
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Great story on acquiring the S-1B's Rclark! I'm an M&K convert myself and I'm now on the hunt for more. I have a rare pair of SV-200 towers that I rebuilt the plate amps and will soon rebuild the crossovers of the monitors. You can check out my restoration thread on them over here on another forum: http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=626741
To me, they sound better than a lot of other speakers I've had through here over the years. I'll never sell them, that's for sure.
I'm new to AC though and this is my first post, so please bear with me. I'm on the hunt for more information about the vintage M&K lineup and came across the scans of the two different brochures posted by AC member benguin in post #14 and #17. I'd really love to have full resolution copies of those, since the scans in this thread are compressed. Rclark or benguin...would either of you be kind enough to PM or email them to me? I'd really appreciate it.
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I stumbled across this thread in the AudioCircle tonight and thought I would register and answer any questions.
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Here are photos of a scan of the original Miller & Kreisel Sound Satellite-Volkswoofer brochure from 1978, I am not sure how well the photos will reproduce here as I do not seem to be able to upload the original PDF and the .jpg photos as posted here seem to be low resolution.
Perhaps the moderator can let me know if there is a way to upload the PDF or post the photos in higher resolution. I will be happy to email anyone the original PDF scan.
The brochure will hopefully answer some the questions posted regarding the origin of the S-1 satellite speakers and it will probably generate some new questions which I look forward to answering. As this post goes back a few years I am not sure if anyone is still following it, but,
In the meantime,
GOOD SOUND TO YOU...ALWAYS!!!
KEN
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I sent you a PM and welcome!
You've got a fan club here.
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Welcome Ken! The brochure for the M & K Satellite/ Volkswoofer is very cool. Love the name Volkswoofer & it was a servo to boot!
When Rclark first posted about these early last year, I did some research & these speakers looked very intriguing. I am sorry that I never came across this system back in the late 70's during the brick & mortar days.
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Welcome to AC, Ken.
My buddy in Vancouver, B.C. has an M&K system set up in his home theater. He's had it for close to twenty years now and he has zero interest in replacing it with anything else. Impressive!
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Wow! Hello Mr.Kreisel, your speakers are astonishing and I'm very lucky to have them. Anyone in the Seattle area is welcome to have a listen as well.
Can you explain a little about the switches in the back and the extra inputs, they are a bit of a mystery.
Thanks!
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Wow! Hello Mr.Kreisel, your speakers are astonishing and I'm very lucky to have them. Anyone in the Seattle area is welcome to have a listen as well.
Can you explain a little about the switches in the back and the extra inputs, they are a bit of a mystery.
Thanks!
Would you like the short explanation or the long explanation about the switches and extra inputs? You can email me directly through our support page at http://www.kreiselsound.com/support.php and I can email you some brochures and manuals which will also explain about the switches and inputs. Some of the brochures with some relevant information have been posted here on this thread but their resolution is so low I do not think one can completely read the text...KEN
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Nice to see you on Audiocircle, Ken! As I mentioned in my previous post to this thread, I miss my S1b/V1b setup. Especially these days, I can not seem to get a satisfying sound out of my current system. My rig has gotten so complex, I think I've fallen into a fairly common pitfall with this hobby where I can't quite track down what's wrong and am starting to mistrust my ears. Kind of pining for the simpler days of my Adcom amp and the M&K's. RClark, did you set up your maggies in your new room, or are you sticking with the S1b's?
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Hello folks,
Just wanted to chime in on these great speakers. I too bought mine with my first post college pay check and have been loving them ever since. Just had the subwoofer ( M&K MX-100) worked on and it is back with full force. I also have been curious about how to use the special input on the S-1B.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139470)
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139472)
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Hi, new to the forum. Can anyone send me the pdf of the 2 brochures that has info for the s-2b speakers? I have 2 pair that are in excellent condition and love the sound. My email is ckhoranic@yahoo.com