Auralic Vega DAC

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wisnon

Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #60 on: 4 Dec 2013, 09:59 am »
Thanks Mike!


I'd love to see these of the Lampizator.   :rotflmao: I think what someone told me is that the Vega is the Antizator.  A true engineered product with science.   :idea:

Oh really?

You may be interested in hearing from someone who has BOTH. Read from bottom up:


"I failed to report in my last e-mail on a new aspect of Lampizator ownership.
 
My DAC came with a Certificate of Manufacture which looks like, and is engraved like, a college diploma.
 
It tells me that my DAC is #4xx, that it was manufactured on November xxth, 2013, and that it carries a 5-year, transferrable warranty!

It is stamped with Lukasz's stamp and is signed.
 
It, like a diploma, really calls out to be framed and I may do just that. If nothing else, it'll keep it from being damaged or wrinkled.

AND. It includes an exhaustive , two-page, Test Report and Checklist. All options are checked-off, and signed as having been completed.

AND, there is an exhaustive list of voltages, currents, and other readings taken from a plethora of measurement sites.
 
All in all a tremendously professional presentation as befits a creation of the Leonardo of our audio times."
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"Jim's 18 month old L-5 has Jensen caps and sounds much, much better than either my Gen 3, level 4 DAC or my Auralic Vega. So much better that I decided that an upgrade was mandatory. Based on Lukasz's suggestion at dinner a month ago, I requested fully balanced topology and Duelund's caps. Lukasz said the Duelund's were significantly better than the Jensen 's at what they did AND, better than the V-caps at what they did. Also, that fully balanced topology would sound more dynamic.

Lukasz was being very conservative In both these regards!!

My DAC has just over 140 hours on it now and is way, way beyond what Jim's L-5 achieves.

As anybody will attest who's heard both vinyl and CD in my room, vinyl ALWAYS was way better than CD. Jim's L-5, though substantially better than my old DAC, didn't change that outcome: vinyl was still audibly superior. My new DAC is absolutely, superior to vinyl in every way I can hear. I've compared LP's and CD's made from the same recording and, now, CD always trounces LP.

It could be argued, as Jim has, that this means my phono stage is not up to the task and must be replaced. This may be so; but why did my LP's always sound better than CD 's even when Jim's L-5 was being used.

Just my two cents-worth but, anybody who decides on an upgrade is crazy not to get the Duelund's. On paper, Jim's L-5 is a two-box unit which differs from mine mostly by having Jensen's rather than Dueland's and, other than the caps, ought to sound better.

GET THE DUELUND'S or don't bother up-grading!!!!"
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"What follows is preliminary but, thus far, strongly felt.
 
Well.....I had high hopes yesterday but concerns, too, as I'd just spent 3+ weeks with Jim's Gen 4, Level 5, two-box unit. It is superb; and easily the best DAC I'd ever heard.
 
BUT! My new DAC (upgraded from gen 3 to Gen 4 Level 4 Lampizator) is simply stupefying!!!

LP's, stereo or mono, played on my 2 Technics SP-10's have always easily outstripped any digital front end. Even during the last 3 weeks, LP's still had a clear superiority over CD's.
 
With only an hour on the new DAC my sonic world has been turned upside down. I'm not sure, any more, of the inherent superiority of vinyl. In fact, it might just be that CD's now challenge reel-to-reel tape. That's tantamount to blasphemy for me but, hand on heart, it's what I heard.
 
Talk about resolution! Even Jim, who stopped by last night to retrieve his DAC, remarked repeatedly on the "inner detail" and complete harmonic structure of every note.

A major and thrilling discovery was the new DAC's capacity for dynamic expression. The range from Pianisissimo to Fortisissimo is now significantly expanded. It's better, it's more real, and it's part of the reason, I believe, that CD sound is now equal to or better than LP and, perhaps even tape. Drum thwacks are frighteningly real and one can hear a significantly expanded frequency range from the low, fundamental thud, to the sound of the mallet on the skin, to the higher overtones. Lukasz told me that the fully balanced DAC would be more dynamic. Man, was that an understatement!!!
 
Above all, perhaps, I now hear, and FEEL, the emotion in vocalist's voices. Songs that were pleasant and even touching are now compelling. Some that sounded flat and uninvolving are now richly contoured; due, I surmise, to the superb resolution coupled with infinitesimally graduated microdynamics. It's all there and it's FABULOUS!
 
As the Duelund's probably take a good long while to hit their stride, I can only guess at what lies in store.

I'd given up buying many CD's over the last year since my LP rigs were so obviously superior in presenting music. Now I'll have no reticence to start buying CD's again.
 
More to follow as it, and I, mature to a higher plane of musical involvement."
« Last Edit: 4 Dec 2013, 12:18 pm by wisnon »

Geardaddy

Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #61 on: 4 Dec 2013, 11:20 am »
 :flame: :rotflmao:

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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #62 on: 4 Dec 2013, 03:52 pm »
  Those Duelund CAST caps will take about 750 hours to fully settle and stop changing. So the Auralic sounds better in YOUR system , cool. However may not in others. One size does not fit all.
   Against an Eastern Electric DAC the Lamp "4" was indistinguishable from one another. In a different system the Lamp rocked.  Go figure. Enjoy your DAC in your system.



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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #63 on: 4 Dec 2013, 03:59 pm »
Adding Duelands and stuffing a wood box with off the shelf components isn't engineering.  Sorry but that's not how it works. 


Again, show me the objective data that the lamp dac is worth a darn?  Is someone willing to ship their unit to be measured?  Anyone?  Of course not!


I love how when someone posts in the lamp thread everyone gets their panties in a wad but it's fine to come to the Vega thread.   :roll:

Once again, this thread pretty much says it all.

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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #64 on: 4 Dec 2013, 04:27 pm »
Adding Duelands and stuffing a wood box with off the shelf components isn't engineering.  Sorry but that's not how it works. 


Again, show me the objective data that the lamp dac is worth a darn?  Is someone willing to ship their unit to be measured?  Anyone?  Of course not!


I love how when someone posts in the lamp thread everyone gets their panties in a wad but it's fine to come to the Vega thread.   :roll:

Once again, this thread pretty much says it all.

     That would be interesting to see. It appears pride of ownership is playing a key role here. Has anyone owned a component that sounded good in every system tried ?
     For me it is refreshing to read the experiences of components tried in different systems just do not get the mine is better than yours deal.  :roll:


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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #65 on: 4 Dec 2013, 04:49 pm »
  Those Duelund CAST caps will take about 750 hours to fully settle and stop changing. So the Auralic sounds better in YOUR system , cool. However may not in others. One size does not fit all.
   Against an Eastern Electric DAC the Lamp "4" was indistinguishable from one another. In a different system the Lamp rocked.  Go figure. Enjoy your DAC in your system.



charles

Rollo,

Jason is the one that opened the door. This is a Vega thread, so why did he have to use yet another opportunity to disparage a Dac that he has never heard? I have not said a bad thing about the Vega, if you take notice. I think its a good Dac for a decent price and have no problems if people choose to buy that. I am not the culprit here...and the feedback is not mine, rather it comes from a pal in New England.

The point is that I know two people who have returned the Vega in favour of the Lampi because it worked better for THEM. They have actually heard BOTH. Thus, the Lampi cant be anywhere near as bad as Jason is trying to make it out. Notice he passes by the real world feedback because it does not suit his agenda???

And yes, I do agree with you Rollo, nothing is right for everyone. However, we all know of big box manufacturers in the far East that measure off the chain and sound like crap!
« Last Edit: 4 Dec 2013, 06:02 pm by wisnon »

wisnon

Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #66 on: 4 Dec 2013, 05:06 pm »
Interesting post from DIY from the Lampizator there:
Hi everyone. Normally I dont jump on forums because I poorly handle flame wars, as a buddist who has nothing but love and compassion for other people. But some explanation would be in place. Mr Sy seems to be very knowledgeable master, a mentor, who wrote quote: "unit that looks like it was vomited from a junk-box, then had the parts rearranged by a palsied lemur," Thats a very interesting and productive comment. I had a good laugh. Thats like a new way of saying "I am an ignorant and I judge other peoples work in electronics by looking at the parts if they are lied out neatly". What did I do to this gentlemen to trigger his flames? Did I cheat? Step on his toe ? Offend him ? I guess not. Maybe it is that people do not understand the electrical concepts we follow ? I know about EMC quite a lot and I know about neat construction too. We choose to wire point to point and not use PCB. We choose NOT to bundle wires which are better separated. We choose the parts that are best for the job and many users praise the sonic results. There are very specific reasons why we must use wooden blocks in a particular place and why we use three-dimensional point to point wiring and we do not disrespect EMC compatibility. In fact I am EMC specialist and I have done more professional EMC tests and approvals than all participants in this forum combined. So I dont know why we are accused of violations that nobody has any proof or grounds for. Mr Sy and Mr Marce enjoy criticizing our work , based on just looking at the picture or two and never hearing or testing our gear. Maybe they find it amusing but I dont know why it will remain on internet forever to repell all our customers who google Lampizator. Neither of them even bothered to email us and simply ask questions and get explanations. Who knows maybe their valid remarks would be taken into manufacturing practice. But it is so much easier to use vomit analogies and pretend to be a guru. I think I am wasting my time even writing this. HAve a good day. Lukasz Fikus owner and designer at Lampizator.

doctorcilantro

Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #67 on: 4 Dec 2013, 05:23 pm »
*Grabs wheel*

Here is the new Vega driver. I have been using the M2Tech modded one for some time but this one is newer I think:

AURALiC USB 2.0 Audio Driver Version 2.16.0
(For Windows XP/Vista/7/8  x86 and x64)

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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #68 on: 4 Dec 2013, 05:29 pm »
...
I love how when someone posts in the lamp thread everyone gets their panties in a wad but it's fine to come to the Vega thread.   :roll:
...

You are the one who introduced Lampizator in this thread (with provoking post
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"Thanks Mike! I'd love to see these of the Lampizator.   :rotflmao: I think what someone told me is that the Vega is the Antizator.  A true engineered product with science.   :idea:
) and then you cry wolf- very hypocritical and idiotic comment  :nono:

jtwrace- you are better than this!  8)


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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #69 on: 4 Dec 2013, 06:44 pm »
Thanks for all the great comments.   :thumb:

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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #70 on: 4 Dec 2013, 07:38 pm »

Actually jtw- I DO agree with your context and implication ABOUT measurements  :thumb: but for me that is half the story- the other is listening. 

Getting back to Vega- what filters do most of you deploy? 'exact'?

I will get my hands on it for hopefully more than a few hours.

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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #71 on: 4 Dec 2013, 07:46 pm »
Interesting post from DIY from the Lampizator there:
Hi everyone. Normally I dont jump on forums because I poorly handle flame wars, as a buddist who has nothing but love and compassion for other people. But some explanation would be in place. Mr Sy seems to be very knowledgeable master, a mentor, who wrote quote: "unit that looks like it was vomited from a junk-box, then had the parts rearranged by a palsied lemur," Thats a very interesting and productive comment. I had a good laugh. Thats like a new way of saying "I am an ignorant and I judge other peoples work in electronics by looking at the parts if they are lied out neatly". What did I do to this gentlemen to trigger his flames? Did I cheat? Step on his toe ? Offend him ? I guess not. Maybe it is that people do not understand the electrical concepts we follow ? I know about EMC quite a lot and I know about neat construction too. We choose to wire point to point and not use PCB. We choose NOT to bundle wires which are better separated. We choose the parts that are best for the job and many users praise the sonic results. There are very specific reasons why we must use wooden blocks in a particular place and why we use three-dimensional point to point wiring and we do not disrespect EMC compatibility. In fact I am EMC specialist and I have done more professional EMC tests and approvals than all participants in this forum combined. So I dont know why we are accused of violations that nobody has any proof or grounds for. Mr Sy and Mr Marce enjoy criticizing our work , based on just looking at the picture or two and never hearing or testing our gear. Maybe they find it amusing but I dont know why it will remain on internet forever to repell all our customers who google Lampizator. Neither of them even bothered to email us and simply ask questions and get explanations. Who knows maybe their valid remarks would be taken into manufacturing practice. But it is so much easier to use vomit analogies and pretend to be a guru. I think I am wasting my time even writing this. HAve a good day. Lukasz Fikus owner and designer at Lampizator.



  I am with you 100% on this one. My experience as a former manf and now dealer has had similar writings about our products that are unwarranted. Remember the BSGT QOL ?  Loose lips sink ships. Agendas, fan boys and the like are all over the internet. That's life.
      Our savior is that most readers disregard such ludicrous comments. The product speaks for itself. That is why we strongly recco in home demo. You have a fine product line and IMO will do very well regardless of such writings. No worry.



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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #72 on: 4 Dec 2013, 09:41 pm »
Well, I was not going to add my 2 cents to the noise but I feel I must. Though I am going to keep it brief and will not say as much as I would like in response to some posters.

So, FIRST, if YOU have NOT HEARD it what is your point other then to make disparaging comments. AFTER YOU HAVE HEARD IT make your comments. (gee sounds great for the money but not for the way it looks, as an example or WOW who cares how it looks its the best I have HEARD or if they put it in a fancy box they would charge a lot more for that great sound it produces so I am glad to save the money) Or (Insert what ever you DO NOT LIKE AFTER YOU HAVE HEARD IT, including its sound).

I had a chance to HEAR the DSD Lampi at the RAVE and the next day in a NJ Audiophile Society members system. While I was not happy with the sound at the RAVE I had a feeling it was not the Lampis fault. It turned out I was right as it sounded REALLY good in my fellow club members system.

Now I do agree that it could look a little more polished but that in no way decides how good or poor it might sound. 

I hope to hear the Lampi very soon in my system so I can have a true listen. I am keeping an open set of ears to judge the Lampi.

Also, just because some of us like to have the measurements, besides HEARING IT, but can not readily get them is not an open invitation to flame a product. 

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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #73 on: 5 Dec 2013, 01:22 am »
Getting back to Vega- what filters do most of you deploy? 'exact'?
Sure.

Geardaddy

Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #74 on: 5 Dec 2013, 02:36 am »
Jason, did the Lynx Hilo measure better than your Metric Halo?  Does the Vega measure better than the Lynx thus stimulating your interest?  I wonder at what decimal point these differences become audible?

Not too long ago, you circulated a little USB dac that was a little over $100 and measured as well as anything on the planet.  According to you, it equaled the Lynx at the time.  Do you still own it?  I heard it and thought it to be very good (particularly for the $). 

Finally, what is proprietary about the Vega's design?  Do they design their own chipsets, circuit boards, etc?  That involves real engineering and real R&D and real $$$, and most of the nouveau, chinese dacs are cobbled together from off the shelf parts just like the vintage Lampizator. 

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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #75 on: 5 Dec 2013, 04:06 am »
;-))
« Last Edit: 10 Dec 2013, 01:22 am by bhakti »

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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #76 on: 12 Dec 2013, 11:20 pm »
Anyone else using the Vega have any opinions on it?

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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #77 on: 13 Dec 2013, 12:02 am »
Quote from: worldcat
Anyone else using the Vega have any opinions on it?

Been using one for about a month now.  Thus far, I'm very pleased with the results.  Great detail overall and a very transparent/clean presentation.

Haven't tried it out with DSD yet, but I intend to give that a whirl over the holidays.  I have migrated to a fully balanced setup since the DAC change which has altered my cable selection.  Oddly enough, I hear little impact now when comparing various cables to/from the DAC.  Consequently, I'll be performing some fine tuning in the pre-amp section with some new tubes.

Overall, very happy with the DAC.

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« Reply #78 on: 13 Dec 2013, 03:32 pm »
I have had mine for about a month and I am extremely happy with it! :dance:

Overall it produces a detailed, very textured and nuanced sound - almost a little tube like!   :thumb:

It meshes very well with the rest of my system and has helped take it up a proverbial notch or two.

It does a great job with PCM and DSD.

After trying things in a few different ways, I decided I like upsampling my PCM to DSD via JRiver the best.

Definitely happy that I went this route and encourage others to try it.

George




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Re: Auralic Vega DAC
« Reply #79 on: 13 Dec 2013, 04:00 pm »
Thanks for the info!  I was wondering what kind of computers/software everyone was using.  Cabling too!