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Industry Circles => Spatial Audio => Topic started by: El Tio on 25 Oct 2023, 05:42 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRrgJ-_npls
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Impressive
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Clayton may be a nice guy and a good designer but I’m disappointed with my Spatial experience. I own a pair of speakers with a “special” tweeter that’s out of production less than two years after I bought mine, so if I need a replacement I’m out of luck. Once bitten, twice shy, as the saying goes.
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Clayton may be a nice guy and a good designer but I’m disappointed with my Spatial experience. I own a pair of speakers with a “special” tweeter that’s out of production less than two years after I bought mine, so if I need a replacement I’m out of luck. Once bitten, twice shy, as the saying goes.
Welcome to the world of high end audio. I am in the same situation with the midrange drivers of my main speakers, and they are not Spatials.
It's very common. The number of times this happens in the high end, is legion.
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Welcome to the world of high end audio. I am in the same situation with the midrange drivers of my main speakers, and they are not Spatials.
It's very common. The number of times this happens in the high end, is legion.
I realize there’s some risk with small manufacturers but I actually thought that buying a passive speaker would minimize that risk. Let’s face it - most of them remain problem-free for years and years. Mine may very well do the same. Still, Clayton’s choice of tweeter for the M3S turned out to be a mistake, even if the reason was unforeseen.
I guess I better resist the urge to really crank the volume if I want to continue enjoying these amazing speakers for a long time!
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I guess I can pursue the American dream with the spare pair of tweeters I have. Seriously though I haven't heard of anyone complaining of broken tweeters.
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I guess I can pursue the American dream with the spare pair of tweeters I have. Seriously though I haven't heard of anyone complaining of broken tweeters.
I seem to remember one poster having issues with tweeters going back a year or so.
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So, is this a new speaker company or a part of Spatial Audio Labs? Generally, there's a multi-year non-compete agreement between someone selling their company and someone who buys it. This would be super uncool if the Spatial Audio Labs folks aren't on board 100%. Can we get some clarification?
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I seem to remember one poster having issues with tweeters going back a year or so.
If memory serves, the original crossover didn't do enough to protect the tweeter from low frequency information and that the crossover was corrected after the 1st generation.
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So, is this a new speaker company or a part of Spatial Audio Labs? Generally, there's a multi-year non-compete agreement between someone selling their company and someone who buys it. This would be super uncool if the Spatial Audio Labs folks aren't on board 100%. Can we get some clarification?
I get it -- some of us are curious. Nevertheless, that's none of our business and we're not entitled to receive clarification. Besides, this isn't the first time Clayton has sold his company and started another one. Not a big deal folks.
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New website is up just Google it. I don't want to post it here.
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I get it -- some of us are curious. Nevertheless, that's none of our business and we're not entitled to receive clarification. Besides, this isn't the first time Clayton has sold his company and started another one. Not a big deal folks.
I would respectfully disagree, if Spatial Audio isn't on board with him starting a competing company. It would not be a good thing if they were blindsided by this after saving Spatial Audio.
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New website is up just Google it. I don't want to post it here.
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Clayton may be a nice guy and a good designer but I’m disappointed with my Spatial experience. I own a pair of speakers with a “special” tweeter that’s out of production less than two years after I bought mine, so if I need a replacement I’m out of luck. Once bitten, twice shy, as the saying goes.
There's a very good chance you can find suitable replacement tweeters. Of course you'd need to replace both at the same time, but it's likely only a minor issue and it could even be an upgrade.
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I'm sorry guys, I'm not a fan of NRD (best thing since sliced bread guy) Good luck to Clayton. I've since moved on. I couldn't take the M100 any longer. Still plan on a fix for them (M6) down the road. Great speaker that was crippled imo.
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I'm sorry guys, I'm not a fan of NRD (best thing since sliced bread guy) Good luck to Clayton. I've since moved on. I couldn't take the M100 any longer. Still plan on a fix for them (M6) down the road. Great speaker that was crippled imo.
You and me both. That clown is a camera hog.
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WOW! Clayton does this all the time, starts a company (Emerald) sells it, then starts a new one (Spaital)sells it, and now sells Spatial Audio, he within weeks starts a new company up, while many of us are left holding the bag with speakers where there may not be parts and he's sold and moved on. Fool me once, fool me twice.
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You know guys I'm really trying to help here. I have a greater appreciation for the Spatial M6 and I'm going to share my journey here as it might shed some light on someones future potential purchase. I bought a pair of Magnepan .7's. One of the biggest takeaways is that I LOVE open baffle/planar speakers. Now that I have lived with the Maggies (and love them) I would say that a point source speaker like the Spatials are my endgame speaker of choice, with a hitch though :) Once you hear a soundstage that has proper height, you can NEVER go back. That being said, I believe that speakers with a driver array like the Pure Audio Project, is absolutely the answer. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" Clayton needs imo to go down this road.
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WOW! Clayton does this all the time, starts a company (Emerald) sells it, then starts a new one (Spaital)sells it, and now sells Spatial Audio, he within weeks starts a new company up, while many of us are left holding the bag with speakers where there may not be parts and he's sold and moved on. Fool me once, fool me twice.
I have similar thoughts. This whole scenario seems a bit unstable. How is it that the person who owned Spatial felt the need to leave his own company to start a new one and offer a product that appears to be essentially the same? I also wonder how Spatial will survive without the creative force behind the company and who is now apparently competing against it.
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so if I need a replacement I’m out of luck
This is the risk we take buying from small companies. I have the same mid drivers that Tyson spoke about, the BG Neo 10. Only in my case I bought a pair after they were discontinued. Glad I did so I made a pair of GR Super Mini's. The best thing we can do is not blow the stuff up and enjoy.
Rocket Ronny
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Impressive acting👏 marketing is not everything but it is 100%, he followed the whole script.
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I have similar thoughts. This whole scenario seems a bit unstable. How is it that the person who owned Spatial felt the need to leave his own company to start a new one and offer a product that appears to be essentially the same? I also wonder how Spatial will survive without the creative force behind the company and who is now apparently competing against it.
The new owners apparently didn't buy Clayton, they bought Spatial Audio.
Look guys -- Spatial Audio is obviously pursuing a different segment of the market. Geez, they're about to sell $20K tube monos. :o Do you think they're overly concerned about speakers at the $2,950 level?
Besides, what some of you are referring to as competition is a good thing. Three months after the launch, you'll see Clayton's entry-level speakers hit the used market, and guess what these owners will want to replace them with?
A McDonalds franchisee doesn't care if Burger King opens up across the street. My point is -- look at the situation from different perspectives and see how this can be good for everyone, especially the consumer.
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WOW! Clayton does this all the time, starts a company (Emerald) sells it, then starts a new one (Spaital)sells it, and now sells Spatial Audio, he within weeks starts a new company up, while many of us are left holding the bag with speakers where there may not be parts and he's sold and moved on. Fool me once, fool me twice.
Well, I'm thinking he is going to undercut Spatial's Q6 and also probably make the prices of used Spatial speakers drop.
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Before you guys keep jumping up and down about Clayton's new venture you might want to consider what has happened over the last several years to him and other small audio companies including several others who were a part of this forum. The parts supply issues caused him to have to discontinue a large part of his lineup and those he could still get parts for saw delays in production and shipping. On top of that there were his well documented medical issues and the bills that came with that. During all of this the Company bills for rent, utilities, insurance and payroll kept coming. Maybe in the end he sold Spatial not because he wanted to but because financially he had to. If the sale allowed him to clear some of the debt to the point of being able to start fresh then good for him. As has been the case for the 50+ years I've been in this hobby if you don't want to worry about your gear manufacturer going under or selling out then don't buy from a small business like most of the sponsors on this site. Things change and parts go out of production and that's a risk you have to learn to live with. If your enjoyment of Spatial speakers is based solely on Clayton being around then you bought from the wrong company just like all the Salk owners among others we all can name. Speakers don't just stop working on their own and when they do it's usually user error not parts failure. I've got multiple pairs of speakers from the 70's-80's that still work as expected because they have never been abused. Audio gear is worse than cars so if you can't afford the reduced market value then don't buy it new.
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As a former business owner who's been through more than one sale of a company if Shaw is allowed to continue with this venture the attorneys for the purchasers of Spatial Audio should be sued for malpractice. You gotta be completely nuts not to have an iron clad no complete contract. Of course the problem with no complete contracts is they're without consequences. The remedy for those injured by former employees or owners is usually to bleed them dry with law suits, one assumes there's not even that provision in this sale. I'm open to any and all explanations here as I have zero information on the terms of sale, but on the face of it I'm highly suspicious of the whole situation.
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As a former business owner who's been through more than one sale of a company if Shaw is allowed to continue with this venture the attorneys for the purchasers of Spatial Audio should be sued for malpractice. You gotta be completely nuts not to have an iron clad no complete contract. Of course the problem with no complete contracts is they're without consequences. The remedy for those injured by former employees or owners is usually to bleed them dry with law suits, one assumes there's not even that provision in this sale. I'm open to any and all explanations here as I have zero information on the terms of sale, but on the face of it I'm highly suspicious of the whole situation.
If you're a business owner with decades of success in a niche industry, would you agree to a non-compete clause? NO! Because it's your livelihood we're talking about. You will never agree to cut off your ability to survive. And if the new owners demanded a non-compete, the sale of the company would increase dramatically because they'd have to pay you to either retire or find something else to do. There's no free lunch.
The fact that we're talking about Spatial right now is good PR for them.
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I also wonder how Spatial will survive without the creative force behind the company and who is now apparently competing against it.
The thrifty shopper awaits the massive firesale, similar to the Emerald Physics firesale :D
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A couple of things:
1) Clayton sold the business to friends/colleagues. I highly doubt that, several weeks after the sale, he’s violated the terms of the agreement. Rather, I suspect he has the blessing of Spatial to pursue the lower end of the OB market. His new speaker is half the price of the Q6. Plus, Clayton is a good-meaning guy who has had a spate of bad luck. Doing something he shouldn’t seems out of character.
2) I disagree that buying from small companies, we should expect to be left holding the bag down the road. By most industry standards, the vast majority of audio manufacturers ARE small businesses, including the ones that have been around for decades, like Vandersteen and Magnepan. Even Pass Labs is a small company. It uses exotic transistors in some designs, some of which are out of production. BUT, they have a huge inventory of spares if needed. If audiophiles avoided “small” companies, there wouldn’t be a high end market.
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2) I disagree that buying from small companies, we should expect to be left holding the bag down the road. By most industry standards, the vast majority of audio manufacturers ARE small businesses, including the ones that have been around for decades, like Vandersteen and Magnepan. Even Pass Labs is a small company. It uses exotic transistors in some designs, some of which are out of production. BUT, they have a huge inventory of spares if needed. If audiophiles avoided “small” companies, there wouldn’t be a high end market.
Yep. If you're an audiophile, there's a 99% chance that some or all of your gear was sold by small companies. High-quality parts for niche markets are typically built in small batches and subject to change. Big companies skimp on parts quality for a lot of reasons, one of which is availability and that's OK. If big is what you want, go buy Polk or Sony or Bose products.
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Capitalism is awesome! :green:
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By law, parts must be available for 7 years to take care of repairs for units sold.
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Yep. If you're an audiophile, there's a 99% chance that some or all of your gear was sold by small companies. High-quality parts for niche markets are typically built in small batches and subject to change. Big companies skimp on parts quality for a lot of reasons, one of which is availability and that's OK. If big is what you want, go buy Polk or Sony or Bose products.
I worked for Sony, and they do not skimp on parts quality. In fact, parts used in our ES series from the late '80s-'90s were 10 years ahead of small manufacturers, and to look inside on the 1st SACD player SCD1 you would see a built quality that's never been equaled. Parts should be available for 7 years, if one part is no longer available then a replacement in this case a tweeter should be available. Clayton starts and sells his companies then moves on and starts another and washes his hands of any ongoing issues to customers who entrusted their money into his products. It's not normal for a company to say geez we are a small company the product you purchased from us is not repairable, sorry, Ask McIntosh about that, they fix products from 30 years ago. Now that is a good company to spend your money with and why they still are #1 today in sales along with customer loyalty. Not a fly-by-night company, you can bet Clayton will sell his new company ASAP, that is his track record, once it gets off the ground and makes lots of sales and its sales value goes up. When I think about it, he's back making the same speakers. So why sell just to make the same speaker with a different name?
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When I think about it, he's back making the same speakers. So why sell just to make the same speaker with a different name?
That's precisely how it works in the real world. It's a successful marketing strategy. For instance, many generic brands are identical to the name brands -- same thing, different name, different price points for a different market segment. Clayton will eventually offer more products and raise prices, and once he reaches a saturation point, he could start the process all over again and he'll have the capital to do so from the sale of the company. There's minimal risk because he's amassed a following for his products. The new speaker will likely sell quite well.
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By law, parts must be available for 7 years to take care of repairs for units sold.
Good luck with that. Pandemic caused supply chain collapse made that unenforceable for any size company.
Straight from a Labor Law expert, very few non-compete clauses are actually enforceable. An individual's ability to earn a living cannot be denied.
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I have no doubt that Spatial/Clayton had a reasonable replacement stockpile but could not have anticipated the move by Peerless.
And, I know at least one person who had no problem getting replacement tweeters from Spatial....before Peerless stopped supplying them in reasonable quantities.
For me, the "bad guy" here, if there is one, is Peerless....but the reality is that it's not just audio that has these problems...look at all the "press" that Samsung is getting on yahoo and elsewhere for not standing behind their refrigerators...and this is a big company with lots of money that makes a lot of its own parts.
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It's not like Spatial is going out of business. They will be around to support the current speaker owners.
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It's not like Spatial is going out of business. They will be around to support the current speaker owners.
The voice of reason.
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I have no doubt that Spatial/Clayton had a reasonable replacement stockpile but could not have anticipated the move by Peerless.
And, I know at least one person who had no problem getting replacement tweeters from Spatial....before Peerless stopped supplying them in reasonable quantities.
For me, the "bad guy" here, if there is one, is Peerless....but the reality is that it's not just audio that has these problems...look at all the "press" that Samsung is getting on yahoo and elsewhere for not standing behind their refrigerators...and this is a big company with lots of money that makes a lot of its own parts.
Then Spatial could Easily offer a new replacement tweeter even if it is not peerless. Like all manufacturers have to do, they state that newer parts can be substituted at any time. I've not heard Spatial step up yet and state this for their buyers which is why you see speakers on the market week after week now, folks are dumping them in fear of being stuck with them.
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NRD I have no trust in because he puts others down the major magazines etc. Calls them corrupt etc., how does he know that? They are a business, and they do what any business does, and they have been around a lot longer than Ron will ever be. 2nd Ron is a fanboy of Clayton and that is fine, but for him to say the $2,800 speaker beats the Sapphires is not even responsible, if so then Clayton overpriced his speakers. Give Clayton 6 Months then he will have a whole slew of designs out at the same price points as Spatial. I wish Clayton success he makes a good speaker. But his starting and selling all the time leaves me cold as well as his customers.
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I think you made your point
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NRD I have no trust in because he puts others down the major magazines etc. Calls them corrupt etc., how does he know that?....
Pot calling the kettle black. I unsubscribed from his channel back when he refused to publicly review the X5 because he didn't care for it and didn't want to criticize them.
Well, Spatial has yet to comment on this thread and I see they are posting elsewhere on the site so I have to assume Clayton starting another open baffle speaker company is good with them. If they're all friends as someone mentioned then good on 'em. Best of luck to both companies. :)
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So some folks are having problems getting exact replacement parts and are blaming the manufacturer. Seems reasonable. I understand the frustration. But let me guess, the speakers were bought pre-pandemic? OK…so…the manufacturer is responsible for not foreseeing this happening?
Sorry. I see comments like this and it’s like people have completely forgotten what the pandemic did to ALL of us. I’d love to forget too, but lots of companies shut down and are still shutting down because they never recovered. It sucks you can’t get an exact replacement tweeter straight from Spatial anymore, but damn…have some sense of perspective. And as has already been mentioned, I’m sure there are excellent (perhaps better) replacement part options out there!
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Pot calling the kettle black. I unsubscribed from his channel back when he refused to publicly review the X5 because he didn't care for it and didn't want to criticize them.
Well, Spatial has yet to comment on this thread and I see they are posting elsewhere on the site so I have to assume Clayton starting another open baffle speaker company is good with them. If they're all friends as someone mentioned then good on 'em. Best of luck to both companies. :)
That's incorrect. I've created several videos discussing the X5, and I've also provided real-time updates in live streams regarding its status. Clayton had requested that I delay the review because of challenges related to amplifier availability. I don't mind your opinion of me, but please refrain from spreading false information when you're not informed about the situation. The X5s are, or were, exceptional speakers, and I was more than willing to proceed with the review.
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So some folks are having problems getting exact replacement parts and are blaming the manufacturer. Seems reasonable. I understand the frustration. But let me guess, the speakers were bought pre-pandemic? OK…so…the manufacturer is responsible for not foreseeing this happening?
Sorry. I see comments like this and it’s like people have completely forgotten what the pandemic did to ALL of us. I’d love to forget too, but lots of companies shut down and are still shutting down because they never recovered. It sucks you can’t get an exact replacement tweeter straight from Spatial anymore, but damn…have some sense of perspective. And as has already been mentioned, I’m sure there are excellent (perhaps better) replacement part options out there!
Dangit RDavidson, how dare you be reasonable when people are throwing a hissy fit over a $70 part. LOL. :beer:
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Right? From now on, only buy products from apocalypse-proof companies! Did no one consider this?:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
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Problem solutions should result in lessons learned.
There are at least two opposed theories for making speakers...use high quality off the shelf drivers and make great speakers via the boxes/baffles and crossovers....or use customized drivers. Some will argue customized drivers result in the best sound...others will contest that point.
With customized drivers, there can be an issue if you ever need a replacement....it doesn't happen very often, but it does happen...and now we also see that it can happen with built in subwoofer amps that have been tweaked for the manufacturer.
If you buy a speaker with customized drivers, then you might want to consider buying some spare drivers at the same time....and maybe even a spare amp if the speaker you are buying has one.
Otherwise, you assume all of the risk.
Now I know that many will say that this risk has been there forever and that it is almost never an issue....and I agree....it isn't an issue until it is.
As a big fan of open baffles, Spatial and Clayton....I wish nothing but success and great speakers from both Spatial and Clayton in the months to come!
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2nd Ron is a fanboy of Clayton and that is fine, but for him to say the $2,800 speaker beats the Sapphires is not even responsible, if so then Clayton overpriced his speakers. Give Clayton 6 Months then he will have a whole slew of designs out at the same price points as Spatial. I wish Clayton success he makes a good speaker. But his starting and selling all the time leaves me cold as well as his customers.
This is a long long pattern of behavior for Clayton. He never sits still with is product lines. Anyone buying a product from him should be prepared for that product to be undercut shortly after purchase by some new product. I didn't follow his work until he founded Spatial, but I bought his M1 Turbo for $4k in spring of 2015 after hearing them at RMAF 2014. Two months later Clayton released the first version of the M3 Turbo for $2.5k and discontinued the M1 a little while later. Boy was I red - he never mentioned any development of a new M3 for way less when I was discussing the M1 with him. Can I blame him for wanting to sell me a product when I was ready? I guess not, but it has made me wary of buying anything from him in the future if I have any sense that I might depend on resale value in the future.
And sure enough, after a good, but relatively short couple-year run of the M3 Turbo series, along with continual tweaks and upgrades along the way (Triode Masters, etc), constantly keeping M3 Turbo owners on their toes, he released the Sapphires and X series to great acclaim. I'm sure a bunch of M3 Turbo folks were probably feeling a bit burned by that, while others were excited about the new products and didn't mind their resale values tanking.
The Sapphires and X series were sorely tempting me for years, but I could never really let go of that feeling from the M1 experience. So, this new company and new speaker for cheaper is just giving me that deja vu all over again feeling. And anyone buying from Clayton should be well aware of this dynamic.
That said, it's interesting to me that the new speaker actually looks a lot like the original M-series Spatial speakers, in the dual vertical woofer arrangement, except this time with the tweeter just above the woofers instead of in a concentric design. Personally, I think the soft dome tweeter sounds really promising - I've always been a fan of those over metal domes and the pro-audio compression tweeters in the original M-series. There's no fundamental reason to my mind why this new design can't out-perform the Sapphire for cheaper. Whatever you think of Clayton's business and marketing practices seem to me unrelated to the performance aspects of the speakers themselves.
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This is a long long pattern of behavior for Clayton. He never sits still with is product lines.
Small speaker manufacturers constantly need to "innovate" to stay relevant. After the first few months of a speaker launch, sales diminish and it's time to offer something new. The problem is -- there's nothing new. Manufacturers rehash what's been done before and spin it with marketing. We fall victim to the hype in the belief that today's speaker is better than yesterday's. What we buy is the best lie.
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The problem is -- there's nothing new.
That may be true for technical innovation per se but is not true for products, and we buy finished products that we can use.
So much so that there is NO good alternative to Spatial audio outside of the US, outside US I cannot buy Spatial:
- Spatial Europe (sort of distributor/its own brand), questionable differences, questionable pricing
- PureAudioProject, substantially different in several ways and questionable pricing
- Steinway Lyngdorf, waiting to win the lottery
- GR research, DIY product and problems with amps voltage
- Linkwitz, lots of differences, DIY or questionable pricing in its finished form
- LilAudio/Decware, questionable estethics, fullrange based not to everyone liking
The whole thing with Clayton has been having basically the only ready to buy, architectural grade designed OB options on the market.
I don't see how selling successful companies for an entrepreneur is a bad habit. As for Spatial - and Clayton new efforts - there is a whole market outside the US to be conquered and innovation (aka ability to create such products to win market with the right offer at the right price point) doesn't need to stop with Clayton.
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Small speaker manufacturers constantly need to "innovate" to stay relevant. After the first few months of a speaker launch, sales diminish and it's time to offer something new. The problem is -- there's nothing new. Manufacturers rehash what's been done before and spin it with marketing. We fall victim to the hype in the belief that today's speaker is better than yesterday's. What we buy is the best lie.
This is very common across many different industries. Some business owners continually revise or introduce new products in order to generate sales. IMO, that means many partially developed products are being sold instead of one well researched and developed product. I don't buy from these businesses.
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So some folks are having problems getting exact replacement parts and are blaming the manufacturer. Seems reasonable. I understand the frustration. But let me guess, the speakers were bought pre-pandemic? OK…so…the manufacturer is responsible for not foreseeing this happening?
Sorry. I see comments like this and it’s like people have completely forgotten what the pandemic did to ALL of us. I’d love to forget too, but lots of companies shut down and are still shutting down because they never recovered. It sucks you can’t get an exact replacement tweeter straight from Spatial anymore, but damn…have some sense of perspective. And as has already been mentioned, I’m sure there are excellent (perhaps better) replacement part options out there!
That is not true. The reason the review was delayed was not because of his dislike for the product. You're spreading false information and I'll leave it at that.
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I don't get the uproar. The new speaker he loaned to NRD, as I understand it, is a prototype. Clayton plans on shopping the speaker at an upcoming audio show. If he gets a few orders, he'll make some. If there are no buyers, he'll fade back into retirement. When I saw that photo of Clayton in the hospital with his health issues, I was stunned. I completely understand his selling Spatial Audio after his ordeal. Now, a few months later, I suspect he got bored and decided to design a new speaker.
Ron at NRD seems to me partial to the sound of dome tweeters. So are many other Sapphire owners. Personally, I prefer the AMT driver in my X3s. Different strokes...
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People Clayton is moving on. No way keeping this Man down. Talent is talent. He cannot stop. In His blood. Move on.
charles
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Clayton reportedly will attend next month’s Capitol Audiofest with his new speakers. Obviously I’ll give them a long listen. But I strongly doubt that I would sell my 16 month old M4 Sapphires to buy anything else at this point. They simply sound wonderful in my room, much better than either of the Stereophile A rated speakers I’ve used over the past 15 years. Are they perfect? No - nothing is. I still occasionally get a small bit of harshness in the treble, but I haven’t tried to isolate the cause, so I’m not going to jump to conclusions that it’s the speakers. But even if it is, the 4s do so much right that I don’t want to quibble. Nor am I disturbed by the risk that one of the Peerless tweeters may fail. I’m careful about exposing them to being overdriven, or abused. In addition, my M4 Sapphires may well be among the last ones Clayton produced, and my understanding is that he addressed a crossover issue responsible for the problem well before my pair was built. Frankly, I consider myself lucky to have bought them when they still were available!
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That is not true. The reason the review was delayed was not because of his dislike for the product. You're spreading false information and I'll leave it at that.
What’s not true? Your response makes no sense to what I said. :scratch:
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RDavidson
My apologies. I quoted the wrong post. I wanted to respond to the post about the story about a review not being given because of a dislike for a Spatial Product.
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This has to be the most "interesting" post on Audio Circle in long time. There is what is being said and what is not being said (could be more important). My comments below have nothing to do with HiFi and everything to do with capitalism, business operations and profit.
1. We are having a discussion on the Spatial Audio forum about a product that is not Spatial Audio
1a. Appearance resembles an M4S with a different tweeter and 2 vs 2.5 way
1b. Coincidentally caused an indefinite pause on the new Q6 release
1c. Is priced nearly 50% of the MSRP of the paused Q6 (textbook market strategy to acquire share with a loss leader and build new brand recognition... exponentially effective during inflationary times when prospects are not entertaining large purchases for fear of the unknown)
2.) No word from Spatial Audio other than a reference to the new speaker int the Oct/ Nov newsletter
2a. Implies to expect little to no news in November
2b. Any logical business operator would see none of the above as a positive
2c. No counter strategy to get through Q4/Q1 and capitalize on YE bonuses and pending tax refunds (for those who get them lol)
All of this said you have an array of decisions when running a business and each has pros and cons. You can pause the Q6 as mentioned or... if you believe in the design consider a range of alternative approaches that include accelerating the product to market and capture your fair share. Yes I did read where you do not want to play in this space however you may want to reconsider... Why?
Inflation remains stubborn and when the labor market breaks you will see many $20-$40k speakers flood the pre-owned market from companies that most audiophiles lust after. When they are sold for pennies on the dollar the smart money will snag those depreciated products... not a new $10k speaker where they are subject to similar depreciation. Think about the macro economics at play here for a moment because that will sustain business operations. I say all this to help because myself and others care... you are all good people.
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1. We are having a discussion on the Spatial Audio forum about a product that is not Spatial Audio
And now is Spatial direct competitor. Must mention the new Spatial management has been very tolerant with this thread in his own Spatial Circle.
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And now is Spatial direct competitor. Must mention the new Spatial management has been very tolerant with this thread in his own Spatial Circle.
Spatial management is probably having a pretty good belly laugh at some of the comments in this thread.
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Spatial management is probably having a pretty good belly laugh at some of the comments in this thread.
That is correct :lol:
However... I do not discount the years of business experience that many of you have as you provide your thoughts and constructive critique of the situation. It's natural that people will speculate when complete information is not available.