Bose 901 series 6 mk'2 with Reference McIntosh Gear...WOW!!

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Phil A

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« Reply #20 on: 10 Sep 2015, 08:31 pm »

Didn't Bose sue Consumer Reports years back about a bad review of one of their products?

Yes - they have sued lots of people.  They sued Thiel, for example, when they came out with a model '2.2,' I guess under the theory that someone might get confused between the speakers (don't know how).  Thiel changed it to model '22.'

Phil A

Re: Bose 901 series 6 mk'2 with Reference McIntosh Gear...WOW!!
« Reply #21 on: 10 Sep 2015, 08:33 pm »
There is a list of some of the lawsuits here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose_Corporation

"Bose has been described by audio industry professionals as a litigious company.[65][66][67][68] In 1981 Bose unsuccessfully sued the magazine Consumer Reports for libel. Consumer Reports reported in a review that the sound from the system that they reviewed "tended to wander about the room." Initially, the Federal District Court found that Consumer Reports "had published the false statement with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of its truth or falsity" when it changed what the original reviewer wrote about the speakers in his pre-publication draft, that the sound tended to wander "along the wall." The Court of Appeals then reversed the trial court's ruling on liability, and the United States Supreme Court affirmed in a 6–3 vote in the case Bose Corp. v. Consumers Union of United States, Inc., finding that the statement was made without actual malice, and therefore there was no libel.[69][70][71] In an interview decades later Bose said "We had 37 people at the time. I gathered them in one room and said, 'If we don’t do anything, it will probably kill us. But if we do something, we have no credibility since we’re just a small company and we can’t do anything against this.' I said I think we oughtta do something. I wanted a vote. It was unanimous in favor of taking action. Little did we know it would take 14 years to go through the legal process."[14]

Bose sued Thiel Audio in the early 1990s to stop the audiophile loudspeaker maker from using ".2" (point two) at the end of its product model "CS2.2". To comply with Bose's trademark of ".2" associated with the Bose Model 2.2 product,[72] Thiel changed their model name to "CS2 2", substituting a space for the decimal point.[73] Bose did not trademark ".3" so in 1997 when Thiel introduced the next model in the series, they named it the "Thiel 2.3", advertising "the return of the decimal point."[74]

In 1996, Bose sued two subsidiaries of Harman International Industries—JBL and Infinity Systems—for violating a Bose patent on elliptical tuning ports on some loudspeaker products.[66] In 2000, the court determined that Harman was to cease using elliptical ports in its products, and Harman was to pay Bose $5.7 million in court costs.[66] Harman stopped using the disputed port design but appealed the financial decision. At the end of 2002 the earlier judgment was upheld but by this time Bose's court expenses had risen to $8 million, all to be paid by Harman.[72]

Bose was successful in blocking QSC Audio Products from trademarking the term "PowerWave" in connection with a certain QSC amplifier technology. In 2002, a court decided that the "Wave" trademark was worthy of greater protection because it was well-known on its own, even beyond its association with Bose.[75]

In 2003, Bose sued the non-profit electronics trade organization CEDIA for use of the "Electronic Lifestyles" trademark[65] which CEDIA had been using since 1997. Bose argued that the trademark interfered with its own "Lifestyle" trademark.[76] Bose had previously sued to protect its "Lifestyle" trademark beginning in 1996 with a success against Motorola and continuing with settlements against New England Stereo, Lifestyle Technologies, Optoma and AMX.[77] In May 2007, CEDIA won the lawsuit after the court determined Bose to be guilty of laches (unreasonable delays), and that Bose's assertions of fraud and likelihood of confusion were without merit.[78] CEDIA was criticized for spending nearly $1 million of its member's money on the lawsuit, and Bose was criticized for "unsportsmanlike action against its own trade association", according to Julie Jacobson of CE Pro magazine.[77]

In July 2014, Bose sued Beats Electronics for patent infringement, alleging that its "Studio" headphones line incorporated Bose noise cancellation technology.[79][80] Bose and Apple had collaborated on the SoundDock for iPod music players in 2004, then in May 2014 Beats was bought by Apple, bringing Bose and Apple into direct competition in the headphones market. Bose headphones were once the foremost brand offered in Apple stores, but Beats headphones outnumbered Bose headphones in Apple stores at the time of the lawsuit, and Beats had captured 60% of the market while Bose held 25%.[81] In October 2014, Bose dropped the lawsuit, as Bose and Beats settled out of court without revealing the terms.[82][83][84] Apple removed all Bose products from its Apple stores a few days after the lawsuit was settled,[85] but two months later Bose products were returned to shelves.[86]"

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Re: Bose 901 series 6 mk'2 with Reference McIntosh Gear...WOW!!
« Reply #22 on: 10 Sep 2015, 08:57 pm »
Thanks, Phil.  I was not aware of all this legal action by Bose. 

srb

Re: Bose 901 series 6 mk'2 with Reference McIntosh Gear...WOW!!
« Reply #23 on: 10 Sep 2015, 09:10 pm »
Yes - they [Bose] have sued lots of people.

It would only be fitting to hook up your Bose® gear with Monster® cables.

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Re: Bose 901 series 6 mk'2 with Reference McIntosh Gear...WOW!!
« Reply #24 on: 10 Sep 2015, 09:12 pm »
There is a list of some of the lawsuits here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose_Corporation

"Bose has been described by audio industry professionals as a litigious company.[65][66][67][68] In 1981 Bose unsuccessfully sued the magazine Consumer Reports for libel. Consumer Reports reported in a review that the sound from the system that they reviewed "tended to wander about the room." Initially, the Federal District Court found that Consumer Reports "had published the false statement with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of its truth or falsity" when it changed what the original reviewer wrote about the speakers in his pre-publication draft, that the sound tended to wander "along the wall." The Court of Appeals then reversed the trial court's ruling on liability, and the United States Supreme Court affirmed in a 6–3 vote in the case Bose Corp. v. Consumers Union of United States, Inc., finding that the statement was made without actual malice, and therefore there was no libel.[69][70][71] In an interview decades later Bose said "We had 37 people at the time. I gathered them in one room and said, 'If we don’t do anything, it will probably kill us. But if we do something, we have no credibility since we’re just a small company and we can’t do anything against this.' I said I think we oughtta do something. I wanted a vote. It was unanimous in favor of taking action. Little did we know it would take 14 years to go through the legal process."[14]

Bose sued Thiel Audio in the early 1990s to stop the audiophile loudspeaker maker from using ".2" (point two) at the end of its product model "CS2.2". To comply with Bose's trademark of ".2" associated with the Bose Model 2.2 product,[72] Thiel changed their model name to "CS2 2", substituting a space for the decimal point.[73] Bose did not trademark ".3" so in 1997 when Thiel introduced the next model in the series, they named it the "Thiel 2.3", advertising "the return of the decimal point."[74]

In 1996, Bose sued two subsidiaries of Harman International Industries—JBL and Infinity Systems—for violating a Bose patent on elliptical tuning ports on some loudspeaker products.[66] In 2000, the court determined that Harman was to cease using elliptical ports in its products, and Harman was to pay Bose $5.7 million in court costs.[66] Harman stopped using the disputed port design but appealed the financial decision. At the end of 2002 the earlier judgment was upheld but by this time Bose's court expenses had risen to $8 million, all to be paid by Harman.[72]

Bose was successful in blocking QSC Audio Products from trademarking the term "PowerWave" in connection with a certain QSC amplifier technology. In 2002, a court decided that the "Wave" trademark was worthy of greater protection because it was well-known on its own, even beyond its association with Bose.[75]

In 2003, Bose sued the non-profit electronics trade organization CEDIA for use of the "Electronic Lifestyles" trademark[65] which CEDIA had been using since 1997. Bose argued that the trademark interfered with its own "Lifestyle" trademark.[76] Bose had previously sued to protect its "Lifestyle" trademark beginning in 1996 with a success against Motorola and continuing with settlements against New England Stereo, Lifestyle Technologies, Optoma and AMX.[77] In May 2007, CEDIA won the lawsuit after the court determined Bose to be guilty of laches (unreasonable delays), and that Bose's assertions of fraud and likelihood of confusion were without merit.[78] CEDIA was criticized for spending nearly $1 million of its member's money on the lawsuit, and Bose was criticized for "unsportsmanlike action against its own trade association", according to Julie Jacobson of CE Pro magazine.[77]

In July 2014, Bose sued Beats Electronics for patent infringement, alleging that its "Studio" headphones line incorporated Bose noise cancellation technology.[79][80] Bose and Apple had collaborated on the SoundDock for iPod music players in 2004, then in May 2014 Beats was bought by Apple, bringing Bose and Apple into direct competition in the headphones market. Bose headphones were once the foremost brand offered in Apple stores, but Beats headphones outnumbered Bose headphones in Apple stores at the time of the lawsuit, and Beats had captured 60% of the market while Bose held 25%.[81] In October 2014, Bose dropped the lawsuit, as Bose and Beats settled out of court without revealing the terms.[82][83][84] Apple removed all Bose products from its Apple stores a few days after the lawsuit was settled,[85] but two months later Bose products were returned to shelves.[86]"
Bose must have spent more time in court than time designing loudspeakers. It always amazes me what goees on we consumers know nothing about



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Phil A

Re: Bose 901 series 6 mk'2 with Reference McIntosh Gear...WOW!!
« Reply #25 on: 10 Sep 2015, 09:12 pm »
It would only be fitting to hook up your Bose® gear with Monster® cables.

Funny - yes they have they rep for suing as well :lol:

Phil A

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« Reply #26 on: 10 Sep 2015, 09:18 pm »
Bose must have spent more time in court than time designing loudspeakers. It always amazes me what goees on we consumers know nothing about



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There's more than likely many more than is listed in Wikipedia.  Many moons ago (about 25 years), there was a high end audio store in center city Philadelphia (the name escapes me at the moment).  I walked into the store one day and heard these speakers playing that had a piece of acrylic between them and the wall and were direct reflecting and built nicely with quality drivers.  The owner was elderly back then.  I came in a couple of other times and had a couple of interesting conversations with him.  He noted that he invented the direct reflecting speaker (of course I had no way to verify that), told me that some of his speakers were used in Philadelphia concert venues and he was in litigation with Bose (and that's the cleaned up version).  The store disappeared and I heard that litigation was the cause (but did not get further details). 

Someone noted Monster Cable a couple of posts back.  They also have that reputation.  When you're a pioneer and get big, I guess they take the position that they are defending their turf.  Sometimes, it appears that it goes to far at least to me.

srb

Re: Bose 901 series 6 mk'2 with Reference McIntosh Gear...WOW!!
« Reply #27 on: 10 Sep 2015, 09:26 pm »
I'm not a Bose basher per se.  5 or 6 years ago I compared the Bose Quiet Comfort noise cancelling headphones to a half dozen other consumer models including Sennheiser, and the Bose was superior for cancelling out the steady state drone of jet engines.

Not sure how they would compare now against the current crop of noise cancelling headphones, though.

As far as not being too impressed with their lifestyle sat/sub HT systems, I would generally feel the same about any sat/sub system that used too small of a driver crossed over at too high of a crossover point.

Steve

srb

Re: Bose 901 series 6 mk'2 with Reference McIntosh Gear...WOW!!
« Reply #28 on: 10 Sep 2015, 09:28 pm »
Someone noted Monster Cable a couple of posts back.  They also have that reputation.  When you're a pioneer and get big, I guess they take the position that they are defending their turf.  Sometimes, it appears that it goes to far at least to me.

They really took it too far .... they even filed a lawsuit against Monsters, Inc.  As far as I know James P. Sullivan and Mike Wazowski were not manufacturing any audio equipment at the time.

Steve

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Re: Bose 901 series 6 mk'2 with Reference McIntosh Gear...WOW!!
« Reply #29 on: 10 Sep 2015, 09:32 pm »
Amar worked for NASA so Bose co. was strong on technology and now advocacy.
Maybe it prevent they from understand audiophilia as its a simple and minimalist art.
The god from Bose co. was science.

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« Reply #30 on: 11 Sep 2015, 11:58 am »
I heard a demonstration years ago of a $5 car speaker in a cheap little sealed wooden box played amazingly well through a $4000 amp.  Obviously not the most efficient way to spend your budget.

Perhaps there is synergy between Bose and McIntosh?

I've always felt that the design premise of the 901's was flawed.  (If what we hear is mostly reflected, why multiple the effect?)