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Industry Circles => GR Research => Topic started by: 2bigears on 29 Aug 2016, 04:47 pm
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:D As new. Wood is satin black. not a scratch , as new. used very little. 1250.00 USD
Can pallet them on a truck foe shipping. easy and safe ,, gotta sell. :D
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That's a deal for someone.
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Too bad I did not see this earlier as I picked up a pair of Rhythmic subs. You are by Cold Lake right? I am by Red Deer.
Interested in a possible trade on some Volent CL-2s monitors. Electrostatic detail with box punch and impact.
Rocket Ronny
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$1250? heckuva deal. :thumb:
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:D need these gone,,gone , gone ,,,, right sizing ,, best dam bass you ever did hear ,, :D
Danny built the x-overs with upgraded parts. :D
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Just shot you a PM about a possible lead Pat
jay
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:D thanks Jay.... K- town is sorta close ,,,ha .. the one city in Canada that is growing fairly well. old $$ :D
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PM sent. :D
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Whoever gets these is getting the deal of a lifetime. That's half the price of what the kit cost which didn't include cabinets or upgraded crossovers.
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Whoever gets these is getting the deal of a lifetime. That's half the price of what the kit cost which didn't include cabinets or upgraded crossovers.
+1 !!
I hooked my V1s back up this weekend, excellent speakers, the Supers expand on those. Deal of a lifetime... Agreed!
Best,
Ed
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:D As new. Wood is satin black. not a scratch , as new. used very little. 1250.00 USD
Can pallet them on a truck foe shipping. easy and safe ,, gotta sell. :D
How much shipping 94109?
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Where in Canada are you located?
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:D thanks Jay.... K- town is sorta close ,,,ha .. the one city in Canada that is growing fairly well. old $$ :D
Haha, I am the lead. I was trying to build a pair of these and failed to get everything in order. I am very interested.
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^^
gaelen5 is who I sent the original PM about
jay
Just shot you a PM about a possible lead Pat
jay
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Lost all my speakers in the flood here in Louisiana along with pretty much everything else. Would love the opportunity to buy these at your asking price plus shipping cost. I'm in serious need of some audiophlie bliss over here right now.
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Lost all my speakers in the flood here in Louisiana along with pretty much everything else. Would love the opportunity to buy these at your asking price plus shipping cost. I'm in serious need of some audiophlie bliss over here right now.
Man, that's heart breaking.
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It is. A lot of people lost more than we did though and aren't in a financial position to rebuild or even purchase necessities that they lost in the flood. My brother had 2 used car lots, lost every single one of his cars and his house flooded. Most of the homes flooded around us. We were lucky and found a small rent house that we are going to move into while we rebuild. We have to repurchase everything and part of that is getting a nice pair of speakers such as these Super V's.
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Shawn,
Good luck to you and yours
Mike
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Thank you. If I get these Super V's, that would quell the pain a little. :icon_lol:
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Man, that's heart breaking.
+1. Stay strong
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Lost all my speakers in the flood here in Louisiana along with pretty much everything else. Would love the opportunity to buy these at your asking price plus shipping cost. I'm in serious need of some audiophlie bliss over here right now.
Sorry about your situation!. But is great to know that you are thinking about music and that life has to go on.
We had last week a terrible accident in our steel foundry (our largest furnace simply exploded) but the good news is that no one was hurt. In the middle of the caos, trying to recover and stay in business, I am building a pair of Skinny 6's and thinking about a HT for the small house we are building.
Check this out:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149398)
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:o Are you sure that's not a scene from a Hollywood film?
Sorry to hear this. That is some good news though.
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Sorry about your situation!. But is great to know that you are thinking about music and that life has to go on.
We had last week a terrible accident in our steel foundry (our largest furnace simply exploded) but the good news is that no one was hurt. In the middle of the caos, trying to recover and stay in business, I am building a pair of Skinny 6's and thinking about a HT for the small house we are building.
Check this out:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149398)
Holy cow! I'm glad no one was hurt! I'm guess you definitely need some bliss from those Skinny 6s!
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PM sent
I'm located in Saskatoon SK
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Since the OP and the buyer haven't mentioned it, I will. They have been sold and taken away to their new home.
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Since the OP and the buyer haven't mentioned it, I will. They have been sold and taken away to their new home.
And the buyer is very happy with the SQ. :thumb:
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The buyer is more than happy. He is over the moon.
But the funny thing is he called me up, not sure if he should buy them or not. :duh:
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I helped to reassure him since I spent a lot of time listening to the V's at two audio shows. IMO, they compete with the 20-50K speakers on the market today.
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Well, that person is me. Yes I am very happy with them. Nice when that works out that way since I bought them without hearing them and drove over 9 hours to pick them up. 2BigEars is a very nice guy and has a killer system most would almost die for. I tried to convince him not to sell it, even the Super Vs.
My concern regarding the Super Vs was the PAudio driver. I saw how people have flipped them out and kept the subs. I knew the subs would be killer, which they are. I also read years ago how a few people preferred the BG Neo 3 driver to the PAudio tweeter. These are the reasons I did not buy the kit years ago. Well, so much for other people's opinions. I like the PAudio tweeter quite a bit better than the Neo 3 in it's non open baffle configuration.
I also had recently purchased a pair of Rhythmik FN8s and the Super Vs bass would be redundant. I was very happy with my current speaker set up and said enough is enough, stop already. Plus I wondered how that 12" mid driver would image. Having lived with a small full range driver of 4" and trying a 6" I saw clearly how the 6" flattened individual images and made them bigger, more diffuse. I am just too jaded. To complicate matters there were two other killer deals to be had speaker wise going on at the same time. So blah, blah, blah.
Glad to finally hear these things and have them in the system. When they first came out as the Venue I knew they were a destination speaker, and for a lot of people they certainly can be.
Sorry to those who missed the deal. I often see great deals in the states and can't move on them due to location, no shipping, etc. so it's nice to have a break up here that way.
Rocket Ronny
P.S. I had my son listen last night for the first time and he gave them an EDM torture test and he laughed and gave some superlatives.
My question is why doesn't Danny just replace the PAudio driver with some other similar driver? Make an arrangement with the manufacturer to keep that driver in production. When I called USA Speaker they had similar drivers they felt sounded better than the PAudo.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149521)
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My question is why doesn't Danny just replace the PAudio driver with some other similar driver? Make an arrangement with the manufacturer to keep that driver in production. When I called USA Speaker they had similar drivers they felt sounded better than the PAudo.
I found a Beyma driver that will work. However, I really don't feel comfortable heading down this same road of using a driver that I don't have complete control over.
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I understand, but why not approach the manufacturer about product longevity and availability. There are other manufacturers that may be more willing to play ball and may even be better drivers.
Rocket Ronny
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I have one pair of each V1 and V2
and I just don't want to think
the day I will have to replace the PAudio coaxial drivers 12'' & 8'').
I understand Danny when he says he want the control for
his material.
When you buy something for a big manufacturer
you are more of less at their mercy.
If you don't meet their quotas or expectations
or you don't buy enough from they to justify a production,
then they cut you off, don't care about you.
So, what Danny did, is a smart move, get the drivers made to his specifications,
of course he has to buy a lot, probably 500 per order, they same would go for Omega
and some other manufacturers.
Above is the opinion of someone that's been importing, distribution and retailing
products for 38 years, so I should know what I am talking about.
Guy 13
on planet Vietnam.
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Congrats Ron, when I saw wc's posts I kind of wondered if it was you who got them
Those FM8's may work very well in the rear corners of your room run out of phase at a low volume... tal k to danny about this
Enjoy man :thumb:
jay
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:D. Hay ,,,, I know those speakers ,,,, RR stole those from right under my big nose. Ha . Left me with a little useless Canadian paper. I sold these and my main system as I'm right sizing and believe the world is coming to an end soon anyway ,,,,ha. Not positive on my negative, but things are happening that have me very out of comfort zone. Maybe I just got older ,, Glad these got a new good home. Enjoy those RR ,,,, :D
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Will do and thanks. So you sold your other rig? Bad boy, I told you not to. :nono:
Rocket Ronny
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I just don't want to think the day I will have to replace the PAudio coaxial drivers 12'' & 8''
I don't think you will ever have to replace those drivers. They can handle a ton of power and are pretty industrial. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the music they bring you.
Rocket Ronny
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:D. I decided to keep my main system. Sugarman and me settled in this afternoon. Had the VAC sold 4 or 5 times. Ha I just can't do it. Glad your diggin' the new transducers ,, they are cool build. :D.
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Nice, glad to hear it. What do you mean by "Sugarman and me settled in this afternoon."
P.S. Your music collection is tremendous.
Rocket Ronny
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:D. I have both Rodriguez albums. Very cool dude he is. :D
"Silver magic ships you carry
Jumpers,coke,sweet Mary Jane". :D
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My question is why doesn't Danny just replace the PAudio driver with some other similar driver? Make an arrangement with the manufacturer to keep that driver in production. When I called USA Speaker they had similar drivers they felt sounded better than the PAudo.
I found a Beyma driver that will work. However, I really don't feel comfortable heading down this same road of using a driver that I don't have complete control over.
Danny out of curiosity, what Beyma were you thinking? Is the price in the ballpark of the p-audio or is it notably higher? Would you be able to cut out the back of the compression driver to run the whole thing full-range like the p-audio as well or would it be limited to the midrange only?
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Danny out of curiosity, what Beyma were you thinking? Is the price in the ballpark of the p-audio or is it notably higher? Would you be able to cut out the back of the compression driver to run the whole thing full-range like the p-audio as well or would it be limited to the midrange only?
This one would be the equal of the P-Audio driver that we were using.
http://usspeaker.com/beyma%2012XA30nd-1.htm
And it might allow the rear of the cup to be cut out. I don't know for sure.
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How about this one. The CIARE NDCX12-1.4. Years ago I was told it's a better sounding coax than the P.AUDIO BM12CX38. Have to say I don't like the frequency response.
http://usspeaker.com/ciare%20ndcx12-1.4-1.htm
Rocket Ronny
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Adjusted.
Rocket Ronny
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Message for 2BigEars. Regarding our climate change discussion
Rocket Ronny
Just another Y2K scam.
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Watch the video, you will like it.
Rocket Ronny
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I don't accept Fox News as an unbiased source...
But the real news is what an incredible deal was had on those Super V's!
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My Super V story:
I spent years constantly upgrading speakers and electronics because I was never completely satisfied with the sound - realized that I'd stopped listening to music and listening to equipment instead. Two things happened: heard a pair of speakers that Danny designed (Paradox 3's) and OB's from Daryl Hawthorne - The Paradox 3's were musically coherent, OB's sounded 'right' compared against box speakers, my future was a Danny designed OB speaker. I made a pair of V2's and then found a used pair of Super V's, I'm no longer chasing the 'holy grail' of low efficiency box speakers that need an expensive high powered arc welding amp to drive them, a small SET amp sounds wonderful and the bass from the Super V's servo subs is tuneful and natural.
I've bumped into many audiphools who become audiophiles who've made the same journey, it isn't for everyone. If it's a journey for you Super V's are a great choice and a phenomenol used bargain. I hope you have hours of fun listening to them....and encourage anyone not happy with box speakers to give them a listen.
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a small SET amp sounds wonderful and the bass from the Super V's servo subs is tuneful and natural.
What SET amp are you using? Glad you found a speaker resting place. I believe I have as well. But curiosity is what gets me. I wonder what those would sound like, etc.
Rocket Ronny
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After spending some great moments talking to Danny and listening to the Super V's at two shows, I could live with the V's the rest of my life. Danny has super ears. :thumb:
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It must be nice to have gone to RMAF a few times. Probably quite a learning experience.
Rocket Ronny
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We disagree about the reliability of science.
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Adjusted.
Rocket Ronny
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I agree. I was just sending 2BigEars a message from our discussion. I guess more eyes are watching than ours. We probably should settle this down.
Rocket Ronny
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Great speakers. I gave serious thought about moving down from the LS9's for them... for a minute or two.
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I was always a big envious of your 9s. Glad you still have them. Hard to go anywhere from those guys. I remember hearing they were quite close in performance. Can you elaborate a bit on how the two compare?
Rocket Ronny
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Thanks for the thread modification guys.
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Speaking of science, the science of plasma drivers has intrigued me since the 1980's when I heard them at the CES show. I would love to hear the Super V's with Jim Vaughn's plasma tweeters. That set-up would no doubt satisfy the most critical listener here on AC.
If you go to RMAF next month, Jim will be showing a new pair of pyramid speakers with his plasma drivers, do not miss. Super V's with plasmas would be out of this world. :thumb:
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I was always a big envious of your 9s. Glad you still have them. Hard to go anywhere from those guys. I remember hearing they were quite close in performance. Can you elaborate a bit on how the two compare?
Rocket Ronny
Danny can compare better than me on most music, but I may have a better handle on orchestral classical- much of my listening. On that I think the 9s are more expansive and realistic. Both do a fine job on mids, and lower treble. Imaging can be problem on the 9's for single female vocals in my room (singer is too big), but it I suspect it may be the result of diffuser placement. Imaging on orchestral instruments is an LS9 strength. Both have extremely deep, fast, accurate bass. I think there are differences, but I'm not sure why I say that. Both are dynamic, but I might think the 9's are a bit more realistic in transient peaks, a bit cleaner. This might be owner bias.
However the V's are less imposing... the 9's require a dedicated room or a very tolerant wife. They are cheaper, and you can get by with a cheaper amp (the 9's require power). And I suspect that they are easier to set up. The 9's are picky in placement and treatment
Take everything above with a grain of salt. Although I've spent many hours with each, at Danny's and at RMAF, only the 9's have been in my living room in my system.
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Danny out of curiosity, what Beyma were you thinking? Is the price in the ballpark of the p-audio or is it notably higher? Would you be able to cut out the back of the compression driver to run the whole thing full-range like the p-audio as well or would it be limited to the midrange only?
I love my Super V's but it would be great to be able to try a different driver, for no other reason than the tweeter.
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What don't you like about the tweeter? For me it's more the slight loss of ultimate resolution in mid driver that would have me wander, but it's really minor when compared to the whole.
Rocket Ronny
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What don't you like about the tweeter? For me it's more the slight loss of ultimate resolution in mid driver that would have me wander, but it's really minor when compared to the whole.
Rocket Ronny
I like the resolution but I have had a hard time taming the highs in my system and it shows up on a lot of songs. Other speakers I've tried have not been as tipped up but were not as good either. I just don't think I have found the right combination of warmth and resolution yet. My system is highly detailed and crystal clear, pretty amazing really.
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I like the resolution but I have had a hard time taming the highs in my system and it shows up on a lot of songs. Other speakers I've tried have not been as tipped up but were not as good either. I just don't think I have found the right combination of warmth and resolution yet. My system is highly detailed and crystal clear, pretty amazing really.
Try the DAC cherry amps with the 36v power supplies. Very detailed and transparent and smooth as silk.
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I like the resolution but I have had a hard time taming the highs
Cables maybe, or try some digital e.q. if computer based.
Rocket Ronny
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Cables maybe, or try some digital e.q. if computer based.
Rocket Ronny
Try the DAC cherry amps with the 36v power supplies. Very detailed and transparent and smooth as silk.
I have a new audiophile friend that is going to bring his Atmosphere M60MK3 mono amps over so I'll give them a try. Besides that I think the first thing I'm going to try is room treatment, I still don't have any in my new space. It isn't an issue at low volumes, just when I crank it up. I've read others with similar issues with the tweeter but not that often, so it must be addressable.
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I would LOVE to hear what you think of the Atmospheres. I am betting a great combo.
I think what you are dealing with may be due to rear wave of the tweeter. I have the speakers about 7' out to the front of the drivers and have diffusion and absorption on the wall behind them. If your speakers are like 3' out and bare walls then that may be your problem.
Rocket Ronny
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I've tried a number of amps with the Super V's and never found them to be harsh/bright on the top end, in fact the opposite - having used Salk HT3's in the past I find the Super V tweeter not to be as resolving or having as much openness. Neither is perfect - the Super V tweeter sounds more realistic, the ribbon tweeter in the HT3 sounds more artificial and harsher/brighter than the Super V tweeter...both have their strengths and weaknesses. I still have the HT3's in a second system but find myself preferring the Super V system as, to me, it's musically more coherent and fun to listen to.
The SET amp I used in the past, and deeply regret selling, was a Vaughn Carina. I've used a Music Reference RM10, still have it, and currently using a pair of DAC Maraschino's. As a recovered Audiphool I no longer get involved with swapping out components to do an A-B, I just stick something in and live with it for a few months to see if I can live with it. I've settled on the Maraschino's so they must sound okay, they're also great value. It should be fun trying out the Atmosphere's.
I'm using 2 DAC's - Chord 2QUTE and the DAC DAC, both sound very good.
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Thanks to both of you for your thoughts... My speakers are 6' from the front wall to the face of the speakers, no treatments yet. Carpet for the front 2/3rds and bamboo flooring for the back 1/3rd of the room. I think you may be right Ronny about the back of the tweeter bouncing off the front wall, like I said it's not a problem until I turn it up loud. I will give my thoughts on the Atmospheres, they are for sale so you never know.
Thanks Philistine for your amp input (no pun intended). I have only tried a few and Ozark Tom has also suggested the Maraschinos. I would really like to hear a SET amp some day with the Super V's but haven't had the opportunity yet. Very interesting your observations on the tweeter, I have tried several amps and found all of them to sound a bit bright on top? Just goes to show I don't have the right set up yet. I'm using a Mac Mini as a source and a Joule Electra MK11 SE preamp, that hasn't changed for a long time.
Thanks again for all the input, it's fun to hear others experience with the same speakers.
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I like the resolution but I have had a hard time taming the highs in my system and it shows up on a lot of songs. Other speakers I've tried have not been as tipped up but were not as good either. I just don't think I have found the right combination of warmth and resolution yet. My system is highly detailed and crystal clear, pretty amazing really.
I know I've brought it up before, but give Dave over at P.I. a call and ask if he would cryo your tweeter diaphragms. He told me that when he compared the stock vs. cryo that the cryo smoothed them out compared to stock.
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Try MathAudio Room EQ with some measurements. Try the normal mode of operation when you correct. Free component for Foobar2000 use with file playback.
Has worked very well here.