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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: Mattyboy on 20 Jan 2009, 10:40 pm
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Hi folks...I,m fairly new to Bryston..I have used naim in the past and also cyrus for a bit..
Im after a a bit of advise ...I,m curious as to what speaker cable would work best with my 4B SST power amp...of those that have this amp what speaker cable are you using?..Hows it sound compared to others and why do you use what you have??
My current set up is : Naim CD3.5 and Flatcap power supply......ATC CA2 ( the new one..nice!)........Bryston 4B SST......ATC SCM 40..
I am looking to upgrade the CDP in the future...but for now things are staying as they are... I am currently using chord oddsey 2 speaker cable..
Cheers Matt
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Go to bluejeanscable.com
They sell the belden 10 gauge cable for 0.85 per foot.
I have my speakers bi-wired with that. It's probably overkill.
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That's what I have. It works very well. My speakers are single wired at the present time.
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Hi, Mattyboy!
my 4b sst and speakers are single wired with a 'normal' sized silver/copper mixed cable. the mixed cable has a bit better sound in my opinion. but the difference is indeed not a revolution. so any regular cable would do just fine i think.
al.
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Hi
I am not trying to Hijack the thread. I am in the same boat as OP. I am going to run 4BSST,BP26 and Monitor Audio GS60.
When you say any cable what are you refering to? I was theinking about running Bi Wire are you saying it doesn't make any difference? I was going to go with the QED biwire speaker cable. Should I save the money?
Thanks
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Hi Mattboy
Since you are using Chord Odyssey which i use from my 4bsst to ob1 speakers I suggest you use the Chord Anthem which is not only a perfect synergy with this cable but also brings the music to life.
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For what it is worth I've tried Kimber 8PR, Chord Odyssey (install version) and 'el Cheapo copper wire from Maplin with my Bryston/PMC system and didn't notice any difference that I'd spend money on.
This could be down to my ears not being all that sharp or the fact that Bryston kit isn't all that sensitive when it comes to cables. It could also be that I need to look at changing cables from source to speakers for a big change.
I'd suggest going to your local dealers to get some demo cables.
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http://bryston.com/speaker.html
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Ok...I guess you are recommending the Bryston cable from the link you posted james..
Perhaps you could expand upon this choice a little :| Why specifically doe Bryston recommend this cable?
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Ok...I guess you are recommending the Bryston cable from the link you posted james..
Perhaps you could expand upon this choice a little :| Why specifically doe Bryston recommend this cable?
Probably because it works.
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Ok...I guess you are recommending the Bryston cable from the link you posted james..
Perhaps you could expand upon this choice a little :| Why specifically doe Bryston recommend this cable?
Nothing exotic about them - I think it is a good quality very neutral cable at a reasonable price. These are the cables we use in the professional installations we do in studios.
james
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Ok thanks... :D ... Do you use it in your system James?
Is it a supplied cable from the likes of Van Damme or Van da hull...or a specific in house development?
I ask far too many questions... :roll:
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Ok thanks... :D ... Do you use it in your system James?
Is it a supplied cable from the likes of Van Damme or Van da hull...or a specific in house development?
I ask far too many questions... :roll:
Hi,
I have 3 systems so I use different cables in each system but the Bryston cables are in my large room system.
They are Van Damme speaker cables that we terminate with our custom Spades and Bananas.
james
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I am currently running two 9 meter lengths of chord oddey 2 out to my ATC's from the Bryston 4B SST..
Do you think I could benefit sonically (of course) from using the bryston cable in much shorter runs (if so how much shorter for improvement)...with the power amp being placed closer to the speakers..I can always use a longer set of balanced interconnects from my ATC pre to reach the new power amp position?
Long winded question.. :banana piano:
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I am currently running two 9 meter lengths of chord oddey 2 out to my ATC's from the Bryston 4B SST..
Do you think I could benefit sonically (of course) from using the bryston cable in much shorter runs (if so how much shorter for improvement)...with the power amp being placed closer to the speakers..I can always use a longer set of balanced interconnects from my ATC pre to reach the new power amp position?
Long winded question.. :banana piano:
Hi Matty,
I have always been an advocate of short speaker leads and longer balanced interconnects - some will disagree.
james
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Bryston cables are fine if the other connections are bryston due to synergy. But if you are maintining the odyssey I suggest that you stick with their brand. AS I had this problem when mixing and matching with different cables.
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Hi Mattyboy
I presume you live in the UK judging by the equipment you have, me too :wave:
I hear Belden cables are very good, I'm currently in the process of making my own power cables using Belden 83803 cable, furutech connectors and techflex sheathing. (just ordered)
I have a 4BSST along with the BP26(DA) and PMC OB1's.
I use Van Den Hul cs122 (about £10 mtr new, cheaper on eBay second hand) with Milty banana plugs, This is quite a heavy duty 2.96 mm² / 12.5 AWG silver plated, double dialectic cable that has good high current capabilities and is flexible which helps, I like to use as short lengths as poss (2 mtr in my case). I bi-wire to my tweeter and midrange and have jumper cables double wired from the midrange connector to the bass.
I find this cable sounds nice and smooth, plenty of detail and sparkle with good attack and deep bass. I've tried some QED XT400 (£20 mtr) in a tri-wire configuration using WBT 0680 spades on the amp and QED airlock on the speakers, thinking that ought to do the trick. But it sounded really bright and thin to my ears which opened up the sound too much. It didn't have the sense of power and fullness that you get with CS122, so out it came and I reverted back to the van den hul.
I haven't got access to other cables for a comparison unfortunately, but I find the CS122 has the right balance and quality's to enable me many hours enjoying the music without a thought of how the sound could be better
PMC believe "as long as you can get enough copper between power amp and speakers, you don't need to worry about the minutiae of its design" ( HI-FI Choice, issue 292 EB1 review)
I emailed them about cable recommendations when I bought my kit, and they said:-
"cable reccommendations are notoriously difficult as all cables act rather like a crude tone control tilting the frequency balance to make the system sound either brighter i.e. more detailed, or warmer, less detailed.
Our experience with nordost cable in the past has not been a happy one and it wouldn't be our choice.
a more conventional cable for both interconnects and speaker would be preferable.
We use Van damme cables for our studio installations. It works well and doesn't have a ridiculous price tag!
We've used Chord and QED in the past and achieved good results.
I purchased a Bryston balanced interconnect at the time which the dealer sought from PMC. I was told Brystons cables originate from a British company that supplies to them (not sure if that's true) Upon receiving my interconnect I discovered that it was just a basic lead that uses professional microphone cable and basic plugs. I was charged £110 for 0.5 mtr which is way too much for what I got, so can't recommend them at that price.
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James, any thoughts on the Wireworld cable used at CES? Thanks, John
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James, any thoughts on the Wireworld cable used at CES? Thanks, John
It was really "expensive"
james
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when i bought this equipment i also got the shop (shadow audio, great guys) to get me a "Bryston" balanced 0.5 mtr interconnect costing me £110 which was sourced through PMC (its a british company that supplies the cable branded as bryston to bryston apparently) when I recieved this interconnect I discovered that it was just a bog standard interconnect lead using simple (but decent i guess) microphone cable with no dielectic or any shielding of any kind. VERY disapointing and was a total ripp-off.
Do I get it right, Bryston balanced interconnects do not have any shielding?
If it is true, I would definitely like to try it.
I am not 100% certain but it would seem that I prefer balanced cables with little or no shielding, and that applies to power cables as well, for example I do not like those with heavy shielding and ferrite particles embedded in outer skin.
Not sure what you mean by no dielectric, there ought to be some, it is not bare wire?
James, could you please comment on no shielding story?
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when i bought this equipment i also got the shop (shadow audio, great guys) to get me a "Bryston" balanced 0.5 mtr interconnect costing me £110 which was sourced through PMC (its a british company that supplies the cable branded as bryston to bryston apparently) when I recieved this interconnect I discovered that it was just a bog standard interconnect lead using simple (but decent i guess) microphone cable with no dielectic or any shielding of any kind. VERY disapointing and was a total ripp-off.
Do I get it right, Bryston balanced interconnects do not have any shielding?
If it is true, I would definitely like to try it.
I am not 100% certain but it would seem that I prefer balanced cables with little or no shielding, and that applies to power cables as well, for example I do not like those with heavy shielding and ferrite particles embedded in outer skin.
Not sure what you mean by no dielectric, there ought to be some, it is not bare wire?
James, could you please comment on no shielding story?
I'm sure he means no 'flex' jacket or the like.
Keith
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Sasha
I think I should of said that it has little shielding not no shielding. For the money I paid which was £110 - probably $200 USD back then, I was expecting a little more than I got because you could make it yourself for less than £15. Probably the dealer fleeced me.
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when i bought this equipment i also got the shop (shadow audio, great guys) to get me a "Bryston" balanced 0.5 mtr interconnect costing me £110 which was sourced through PMC (its a british company that supplies the cable branded as bryston to bryston apparently) when I recieved this interconnect I discovered that it was just a bog standard interconnect lead using simple (but decent i guess) microphone cable with no dielectic or any shielding of any kind. VERY disapointing and was a total ripp-off.
Do I get it right, Bryston balanced interconnects do not have any shielding?
If it is true, I would definitely like to try it.
I am not 100% certain but it would seem that I prefer balanced cables with little or no shielding, and that applies to power cables as well, for example I do not like those with heavy shielding and ferrite particles embedded in outer skin.
Not sure what you mean by no dielectric, there ought to be some, it is not bare wire?
James, could you please comment on no shielding story?
Hi Sasha,
For our Balanced XLR cables we use VanDamme Microphone cable with gold plated Neutrik XLR connectors.
Heres a link - http://www.van-damme.com/products.htm (click on Classic Quad Microphone Series)
james
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Excuse the intrusion as I no longer am a Bryston owner. My question is why did you choose that cable. Was it for the spec of the cable to a synergy with your components or another reason. I am curious how and why a component manf. chooses their cabling. Thank you. This is NOT cable debate question. Just curious. trying to learn something.
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Excuse the intrusion as I no longer am a Bryston owner. My question is why did you choose that cable. Was it for the spec of the cable to a synergy with your components or another reason. I am curious how and why a component manf. chooses their cabling. Thank you. This is NOT cable debate question. Just curious. trying to learn something.
Not to answer for James.....
But I suspect that the engineering attributes of that cable (capacitance, etc) are well within the paramaeters of what would make a cable neutral from an theoretical engineering perspective.
Keith
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Excuse the intrusion as I no longer am a Bryston owner. My question is why did you choose that cable. Was it for the spec of the cable to a synergy with your components or another reason. I am curious how and why a component manf. chooses their cabling. Thank you. This is NOT cable debate question. Just curious. trying to learn something.
Not to answer for James.....
But I suspect that the engineering attributes of that cable (capacitance, etc) are well within the paramaeters of what would make a cable neutral from an theoretical engineering perspective.
Keith
Hi All,
Correct Keith - my point of view is that the best interconnect cable or speaker cable is no cable at all. So the cable that changes the signal the least is what I prefer. I usually try different cables at home (currently have about 5 different types) and run comparisons which is quite interesting.
My position on cables has always been that cables do sound different but that difference can be interpreted as different 'better' or different 'worse' - depending on a specific system. Also I have always felt that you can not tell people they don't hear what they hear - all we can do is try to discover what is going on electrically and mechanically in a specfic cable or system to cause those sonic differences.
james
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when i bought this equipment i also got the shop (shadow audio, great guys) to get me a "Bryston" balanced 0.5 mtr interconnect costing me £110 which was sourced through PMC (its a british company that supplies the cable branded as bryston to bryston apparently) when I recieved this interconnect I discovered that it was just a bog standard interconnect lead using simple (but decent i guess) microphone cable with no dielectic or any shielding of any kind. VERY disapointing and was a total ripp-off.
Do I get it right, Bryston balanced interconnects do not have any shielding?
If it is true, I would definitely like to try it.
I am not 100% certain but it would seem that I prefer balanced cables with little or no shielding, and that applies to power cables as well, for example I do not like those with heavy shielding and ferrite particles embedded in outer skin.
Not sure what you mean by no dielectric, there ought to be some, it is not bare wire?
James, could you please comment on no shielding story?
Hi Sasha,
I have been experimenting with Balanced cables having no shield - or more correctly shield connected at one end only or not at all. I would be interested on you elaborating on your comments above.
james
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Has anyone tried those Anticables (www.anticables.com) ? I use them, but mine is Arcam AVR 250 receiver. So, i cant blame either the reciever or the cable.. May be the combination of both that makes my Focals Electra BEs sound just bad.. :scratch:
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when i bought this equipment i also got the shop (shadow audio, great guys) to get me a "Bryston" balanced 0.5 mtr interconnect costing me £110 which was sourced through PMC (its a british company that supplies the cable branded as bryston to bryston apparently) when I recieved this interconnect I discovered that it was just a bog standard interconnect lead using simple (but decent i guess) microphone cable with no dielectic or any shielding of any kind. VERY disapointing and was a total ripp-off.
Do I get it right, Bryston balanced interconnects do not have any shielding?
If it is true, I would definitely like to try it.
I am not 100% certain but it would seem that I prefer balanced cables with little or no shielding, and that applies to power cables as well, for example I do not like those with heavy shielding and ferrite particles embedded in outer skin.
Not sure what you mean by no dielectric, there ought to be some, it is not bare wire?
James, could you please comment on no shielding story?
Hi Sasha,
I have been experimenting with Balanced cables having no shield - or more correctly shield connected at one end only or not at all. I would be interested on you elaborating on your comments above.
james
James,
It was my impression, the margin of error is quite high as I did not have let’s say 10 ICs or power cables for side to side comparison, but in general I find the sound more open and dynamically less restricted with cables of such construction.
For this reason I for example ended up using stock power cables with my 7B SST amps for now, it seemed to me that once you have an appropriate gauge the less is more, did not like those with elaborate multiple shielding. I did find in the end a power cable that I will use on all the gear including amps (it is just a bulk wire, not a commercially made power cable), heard in my system and liked it, once I am done with my speakers I will start making these power cables (wire + some hospital grade connectors). This wire has shielding though, but simple one.
And I ended up with VDH wire for my balanced interconnects, again similar experience based on few ICs I tried. And I like balanced ICs better than single ended regardless.
I tried to rationalize this, one explanation could be that combined dielectric properties of all those materials used in such elaborate applications result in signal smearing, or in case of power cables result in undesired impedance, inductivity?
The same reason why capacitors sound different?
Anyway, I was wondering what the end result would be if balanced IC was made of copper wire with very thin insulator, maybe a coat of something to prevent oxidation, and no shielding of any kind?
Assuming your place is not RF polluted, why would you need shield on balanced IC anyway?
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Excuse the intrusion as I no longer am a Bryston owner. My question is why did you choose that cable. Was it for the spec of the cable to a synergy with your components or another reason. I am curious how and why a component manf. chooses their cabling. Thank you. This is NOT cable debate question. Just curious. trying to learn something.
Not to answer for James.....
But I suspect that the engineering attributes of that cable (capacitance, etc) are well within the paramaeters of what would make a cable neutral from an theoretical engineering perspective.
Keith
Hi All,
Correct Keith - my point of view is that the best interconnect cable or speaker cable is no cable at all. So the cable that changes the signal the least is what I prefer. I usually try different cables at home (currently have about 5 different types) and run comparisons which is quite interesting.
My position on cables has always been that cables do sound different but that difference can be interpreted as different 'better' or different 'worse' - depending on a specific system. Also I have always felt that you can not tell people they don't hear what they hear - all we can do is try to discover what is going on electrically and mechanically in a specfic cable or system to cause those sonic differences.
james
Thank you for the response. Would it be possible to identify the Cap, inductance and impedance of the desired cable ? To use as a guide in selecting after market ICs and speaker cables. What I'm getting at is that the specs of the cable that best suits your components. It would certainly narrow the chase. All one would have to do is look for a manf of cable that meets that crteria. What do you think ?
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Hi Brown,
Here is something I wrote a while ago for a newsletter.
There is not a day that goes by where I do not get asked what cable Bryston recommends with our amplifiers. Hopefully the following will assist you in weeding through some of these complex issues.
Part of the problem is that there is an awful lot of marketing going on and not much science in some cases. The 'elaborate packaging' of these interconnects and speaker cables may make you feel warm and fuzzy but the electrical characteristics are still the primary issue of concern. Simply stated the geometry (where the plus is relative to the minus) of a cable determines the inter-relationship between the measured performance of a specific cable. These measured performance criteria are call the 'Primary Constants'. They are R-resistance, L- inductance, C- shunt capacitance and G-shunt conductance. You can play around with all types of exotic packaging and add-on appendages you like but ultimately the measured performance (primary constants) tell the tale.
Bryston does not think cables should be 'voiced' to sound a specific way. The best cable is NO cable at all so we contend that the best cable is the cable that changes the signal the least.
An analogue Preamp/Amplifier connection is a 'high impedance interface' therefore; you are looking for low measured Capacitance. An interconnect cable acts like a capacitor in the signal path so the better that capacitor the better the interconnect. We use an interconnect wire with (very low capacitance) and the RCA connectors are made for us in Switzerland. The RCA cables 'make and break ground' first and last when connecting and disconnecting. This prevents ugly pops and bangs from going through your system with the possible negative results.
The XLR cables we use are also very low in capacitance. Actually the XLR cable we are currently using is in fact low noise balanced microphone cable with 100% shield coverage against RF. The advantage of Balanced XLR cables is that they have a noise canceling effect know as 'common mode noise reduction'. This helps prevent noise and hum from affecting your system. With today's complexity of audio and video surround systems this is a big plus, so if you 'got em-use em'.
With 'Digital' interconnects things are a lot different. The wavelengths of digital signals are 'very short' (same for FM) so the lengths and terminations are much more critical than with the analogue signals previously discussed. When the wavelength of the signal the cable is used for approaches 1/30th of the length of the cable then transmission line effects start to appear and much more attention has to be paid to the connection and termination. If not then reflections and cancellation of data is a real possibility. For instance the AES/EBU digital connection on the back of the Bryston CD Player should be used with a cable having an impedance of 110 ohms.
Video cables also operate at very high frequencies - typically 5-6 MHz for Composite and S-Video and 8-30 MHz for Component Video depending on the scan rate and resolution. So again understanding the wavelengths of the signals and interfaces involved is important.
The Amplifier/Speaker interface is a 'low impedance' connection. Therefore, in a speaker cable you are looking for low 'self inductance' (because inductance rolls off the top end) as opposed to 'low capacitance' required in the RCA or XLR analogue interconnect. For speaker cables we use a stranded 9 gauge linear crystal copper with 'Heavily Gold plated' Spade lugs or Expandable Banana plugs specially made for Bryston.
General Conclusions:
1.The connection should be of similar metals (preferably gold) and be airtight. If not airtight it will break down molecularly over time and begin to rectify or produce a diode effect on the signal.
2.With all the RF floating around today the better the 'Shield' on the interconnect the less intrusive the RF will be.
3.The connection between your analogue Source components (Preamplifier, CD Player, Tuner, DVD Player etc.) is a 'High Impedance' connection and the interface between your power amplifier and your speakers is a 'Low Impedance' connection. So, the requirements are totally different for optimizing these interfaces.
4.Digital and Video cables are much more susceptible to reflection/phase/cancellation problems because of their short wavelengths relative to cable length.
As you can see from the above, no surprise that people hear differences in cables when connected to the variety of equipment in the market today. Given the differences in input and output impedance's between transistor and tube gear, the lack of understanding of the high impedance and low impedance interfaces, the world of RF, and the digital/video connection issues no wonder we have these differences of opinion.
RECOMMENDATIONS: I highly recommend keeping the speaker wires as short as possible and utilizing XLR balanced lines if available. Given the choice of long interconnects and short speaker leads or short interconnects and long speaker leads - choose long interconnects (preferably Balanced) and short speaker leads. With digital and video cables finding out the sending and termination requirements is very important due to the very short wavelengths relative to cable lengths involved.
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James, do you feel that bi-wiring makes a difference?
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for what its worth in this
I have ultimately found over about a ten year+ period that Transparent Cable from the Super model on up, has always sounded best in my system with my Bryston amp and various speaker models, the last being Magnepan, and Thiel 2.4. I have auditioned cables from Nordost, Audioquest, Kimber, Synergistic and have always settled on Transparent Cable as the most synergistic in my system.
rob
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I agree with Robb about Transparent cables as bringing out the best in my 4B-SST. Yes, they are expensive, but good deals can be found on newer used pieces. ICs, speaker and power cables need to be thought of as a component, and all need to be worthy of your source and all the way to your speakers. I did not compare different brands, rather, I listened to the owner of a local high-end store, who offers what he has found to be the finest gear and the best values, along with synergy and price point. Bryston, REL, Magnepan and Transparent go well together, with the cables (new) actually being the most expensive part of the package.
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The cable shouldn't be the most expensive! Cable prices are ridiculous, imo!
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This is another interesting read by Carl of JL Audio regarding "exotic wires". Enjoy
http://theprofessionalanswer.com/?p=13
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From my 9bsst i use speaker cable made from Canare 4s11...it is 2 twisted pairs of 14gauge into each banana for an 11gauge effective. I have very long speaker cable runs & there is no way to position the power amp amongst the 5 speakers to shorten the cables & lengthen my balanced interconnects.
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I would recommend Kimber 4TC. That and 8TC have been my main choice for years. The 8TC is a little warmer sounding due to higher capacitance but I know a tweak that helps open it up a bit more.
I would stay away from Kimber's 4/8PR cables. They never sounded as clear and dynamic as the TC and VS series cables did. If you don't want to spend the money on the TC series than the VS series is still a great sounding cable.
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I was wandering James if u can tell us what internal speaker wire they use in the PMC speaker line (just curious). When looking for speaker cable i start lookin first at what the internal speaker wire is being used in the speakers. If it accessible on the market its probably a good place to start. If using (for eg.) a Bryston /PMC setup it might be good idea to keep the same brand of internal wire right out of your amp to the speakers. It may not be what u end up with, but its a good guide for a starting point.
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I was wandering James if u can tell us what internal speaker wire they use in the PMC speaker line (just curious). When looking for speaker cable i start lookin first at what the internal speaker wire is being used in the speakers. If it accessible on the market its probably a good place to start. If using (for eg.) a Bryston /PMC setup it might be good idea to keep the same brand of internal wire right out of your amp to the speakers. It may not be what u end up with, but its a good guide for a starting point.
Hi Werd,
That's a good question and I do not know. I assume Ian will - Ian your up!
james
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Hi Rob;
The 8TC is a little warmer sounding due to higher capacitance but I know a tweak that helps open it up a bit more.
What is your tweek to open up 8TC.
Thanks,
SF
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I was wandering James if u can tell us what internal speaker wire they use in the PMC speaker line (just curious). When looking for speaker cable i start lookin first at what the internal speaker wire is being used in the speakers. If it accessible on the market its probably a good place to start. If using (for eg.) a Bryston /PMC setup it might be good idea to keep the same brand of internal wire right out of your amp to the speakers. It may not be what u end up with, but its a good guide for a starting point.
werd up!... Just kidding, pretend like I didn't just type that.
The cable we use is actually the same exact cable that Mr. Tanner found to be the most unobjectionable. It being Van Damme in varying gauges depending on what driver we've got them connected to. Across the board it is this very unassuming wire that can be found in everything PMC. Everything from the DB1i's to the BB5-XBD-A has a bit of Van Damme inside of it.
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O nice, thats interesting 8). James I guess your system synergy comes honestly.
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I am using the Auditorium 23s with my Bryston B100 SST Integrated and feel that it sounds very good! I had earlier got a pair of Van Damme SC but unfortunately I had miscalculated the length and ended up with a shorter cable that would fit! :oops:
The Auditorium 23s are about 8 x more expensive than the Van Damme Cables. When funds permit, I might just try the Van Damme SC since James feels that it is a very neutral sounding cable. the quality of the Van Damme cables look very good.
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Due to room layout, I have very long speaker cable runs. One side is almost 30 ft, and the other is about 25. I'm currently using Canare 4S11 (not bi-wired) because everything I read stated that it was very good for long runs.
I'm not very good with the mathematical figures and exactly what they mean. Would the Bryston cable work better in my application?
Should both sides be equal length?
I understand why shorter balanced IC runs are preferrable, however I don't have balanced inputs on my B60 nor outputs from my sources. It would be very difficult to explain my room layout and why I have long speakers runs, and I don't think it would really add to the relevant discussion anyway.
Last question - are the OEM power cords VanDamme as well?
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Due to room layout, I have very long speaker cable runs. One side is almost 30 ft, and the other is about 25. I'm currently using Canare 4S11 (not bi-wired) because everything I read stated that it was very good for long runs.
I'm not very good with the mathematical figures and exactly what they mean. Would the Bryston cable work better in my application?
Should both sides be equal length?
I understand why shorter balanced IC runs are preferrable, however I don't have balanced inputs on my B60 nor outputs from my sources. It would be very difficult to explain my room layout and why I have long speakers runs, and I don't think it would really add to the relevant discussion anyway.
Last question - are the OEM power cords VanDamme as well?
Hi Stu,
I think you're fine with the Canare and 5 feet difference is not much when electrons are travelling at the speed of light.
No our power cords are source here in Canada.
james
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Thanks James.
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Excuse the intrusion as I no longer am a Bryston owner. My question is why did you choose that cable. Was it for the spec of the cable to a synergy with your components or another reason. I am curious how and why a component manf. chooses their cabling. Thank you. This is NOT cable debate question. Just curious. trying to learn something.
Not to answer for James.....
But I suspect that the engineering attributes of that cable (capacitance, etc) are well within the paramaeters of what would make a cable neutral from an theoretical engineering perspective.
Keith
Hi All,
Correct Keith - my point of view is that the best interconnect cable or speaker cable is no cable at all. So the cable that changes the signal the least is what I prefer. I usually try different cables at home (currently have about 5 different types) and run comparisons which is quite interesting.
My position on cables has always been that cables do sound different but that difference can be interpreted as different 'better' or different 'worse' - depending on a specific system. Also I have always felt that you can not tell people they don't hear what they hear - all we can do is try to discover what is going on electrically and mechanically in a specfic cable or system to cause those sonic differences.
james
James,
I have a dilema with my Bryston/PMC setup. I have tried identical balanced 1.5 meter set-ups from Mogami and Musiflex. The Mogami is very detailed, revealing but overall too bright. The Musiflex is far less detailed across the board. I am seeking something inbetween. As you have many interconnects that you are using what balanced interconnect would you recommend I try next.
Thanks for any help.
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Excuse the intrusion as I no longer am a Bryston owner. My question is why did you choose that cable. Was it for the spec of the cable to a synergy with your components or another reason. I am curious how and why a component manf. chooses their cabling. Thank you. This is NOT cable debate question. Just curious. trying to learn something.
Not to answer for James.....
But I suspect that the engineering attributes of that cable (capacitance, etc) are well within the paramaeters of what would make a cable neutral from an theoretical engineering perspective.
Keith
Hi All,
Correct Keith - my point of view is that the best interconnect cable or speaker cable is no cable at all. So the cable that changes the signal the least is what I prefer. I usually try different cables at home (currently have about 5 different types) and run comparisons which is quite interesting.
My position on cables has always been that cables do sound different but that difference can be interpreted as different 'better' or different 'worse' - depending on a specific system. Also I have always felt that you can not tell people they don't hear what they hear - all we can do is try to discover what is going on electrically and mechanically in a specfic cable or system to cause those sonic differences.
james
James,
I have a dilema with my Bryston/PMC setup. I have tried identical balanced 1.5 meter set-ups from Mogami and Musiflex. The Mogami is very detailed, revealing but overall too bright. The Musiflex is far less detailed across the board. I am seeking something inbetween. As you have many interconnects that you are using what balanced interconnect would you recommend I try next.
Thanks for any help.
Hi,
The XLR Balanced cables we use in our professional installs are the ones on the website. Its a low noise microphone cable from VanDamme - http://bryston.com/xlr.html
I typically use them with my IB2 setup
On the more exotic front at home right now I have these XLR balanced interconnect cables, Golden Cross Cardas cables, Empirical Design cables, Straight Wire, Goretz and Wireworld.
james
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I have a Nordost Frey loom with my 4BSST2 - great improvement over my old chord rumour cabling. Miles better. I have a vishnu mains lead into the Poweramp too.
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Excuse the intrusion as I no longer am a Bryston owner. My question is why did you choose that cable. Was it for the spec of the cable to a synergy with your components or another reason. I am curious how and why a component manf. chooses their cabling. Thank you. This is NOT cable debate question. Just curious. trying to learn something.
Not to answer for James.....
But I suspect that the engineering attributes of that cable (capacitance, etc) are well within the paramaeters of what would make a cable neutral from an theoretical engineering perspective.
Keith
Hi All,
Correct Keith - my point of view is that the best interconnect cable or speaker cable is no cable at all. So the cable that changes the signal the least is what I prefer. I usually try different cables at home (currently have about 5 different types) and run comparisons which is quite interesting.
My position on cables has always been that cables do sound different but that difference can be interpreted as different 'better' or different 'worse' - depending on a specific system. Also I have always felt that you can not tell people they don't hear what they hear - all we can do is try to discover what is going on electrically and mechanically in a specfic cable or system to cause those sonic differences.
james
James,
I have a dilema with my Bryston/PMC setup. I have tried identical balanced 1.5 meter set-ups from Mogami and Musiflex. The Mogami is very detailed, revealing but overall too bright. The Musiflex is far less detailed across the board. I am seeking something inbetween. As you have many interconnects that you are using what balanced interconnect would you recommend I try next.
Thanks for any help.
Hi,
The XLR Balanced cables we use in our professional installs are the ones on the website. Its a low noise microphone cable from VanDamme - http://bryston.com/xlr.html
I typically use them with my IB2 setup
On the more exotic front at home right now I have these XLR balanced interconnect cables, Golden Cross Cardas cables, Empirical Design cables, Straight Wire, Goretz and Wireworld.
james
Thnak you