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In stock and shipping. The current pricing is my "hook" pricing. Good until the first production run is out of stock. Those who wait will pay a more reasonable amount for these little beasties.
http://www.diycable.com/main/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=538
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That video is just sick Kevin. Might have to grab a few of those at that price to play with.
Bryan
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That video is just sick Kevin. Might have to grab a few of those at that price to play with.
Bryan
It is funny but I had shown all kinds of Klippel data that was outstanding but that Video is what touched a nerve with people.
I was playing around with Windows Movie Maker and originally "Smoke on the Water". That was infringing on copyrights so I had to pick a free-use music file and got that head-banger music which actually fit the "Anarchy" theme perfectly. Not what I'd call music but hey... whatever works.
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Perfect song for the demo. Very cool looking woofer. Best of luck to you.
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Oh... I sent a set to Voice Coil magazine for measurements and 3rd party Klippel data. Vance said they should be coming out in the Feb/March issue if you want to see some nerdy engineering information pick up a copy.
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What amazed me was how quiet it was with that kind of 'excessive' excursion.
Bryan
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It is funny but I had shown all kinds of Klippel data that was outstanding but that Video is what touched a nerve with people.
Who wants to read data and graphs? How many people do you think will read Avatar compared to seeing the movie?
A picture is worth a thousand words, and a video is worth a thousand pictures.
(Well at least a 33 second video at 30 frames per second)
Steve
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It is funny but I had shown all kinds of Klippel data that was outstanding but that Video is what touched a nerve with people.
Who wants to read data and graphs? How many people do you think will read Avatar compared to seeing the movie?
A picture is worth a thousand words, and a video is worth a thousand pictures.
(Well at least a 33 second video at 30 frames per second)
Steve
I'd rather see the Klippel data because it tells you a lot more than that video. :lol: I also am the kind of person who would rather read the book although something like Avatar is worth seeing on the big-screen.
But I get your point. My customers want to see the video because the Klippel data is just "data and graphs". :)
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What amazed me was how quiet it was with that kind of 'excessive' excursion.
Bryan
Yea... it has more excursion than is needed for in-box applications. I about soiled myself when I first ran a test-tone through it. It has much lower self-noise at that kind of stroke than anything else I've fit on the sawhorse. It would be a good dipole woofer because of the low-noise under high stroke. We really had designed it around a mini-subwoofer & midwoofer applications targeting 0.5-0.7 cubic foot ported boxes but with the DSPs available these days, the parameters are much less important than they used to be.
I'm going to update the Kepler with it and design a couple other active loudspeakers using the Hypex DSPs and amps. Fun stuff...
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LOL! :duh: :icon_twisted: :drool:
Anand.
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Oh... I sent a set to Voice Coil magazine for measurements and 3rd party Klippel data. Vance said they should be coming out in the Feb/March issue if you want to see some nerdy engineering information pick up a copy.
What's the chance of seeing that info before then?
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How does two drivers per PE 1ft3 square enclousre (sealed) as a bass bin
look. I thought you had a similar arrangement at VSAC sitting off to the side.
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Oh... I sent a set to Voice Coil magazine for measurements and 3rd party Klippel data. Vance said they should be coming out in the Feb/March issue if you want to see some nerdy engineering information pick up a copy.
What's the chance of seeing that info before then?
Ahh... I posted it somewhere. It is somewhere in the many Anarchy threads although some of that Klippel data is dated because it was for prototypes. I had the units we sent to Voice Coil Klippeled just to cover my butt. Email me and I'll forward you the PDF.
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How does two drivers per PE 1ft3 square enclousre (sealed) as a bass bin
look. I thought you had a similar arrangement at VSAC sitting off to the side.
I picked parameters based upon 0.5-0.7 ft^3 resonant enclosures. I had a 1 cubic foot ported subwoofer as one of the target designs (x2 Anarchy). Basically this was the midwoofer I was going to use in the finished loudspeakers and I started with my enclosure limitation/sizes based upon those finished designs. The parameters popped out the other side of the equation from picking bandwidth/size of enclosure. You can use them sealed but to get really good bandwidth you would want a little EQ because I think you will see something like a 70Hz F3 without equalization in that size box (just going from memory).
My little subwoofer design was active, used a subsonic filter with a little Q to add some boost. It worked really well and gave excellent output down to about 25Hz in-room at realistic SPL levels. It was the bottom section of a tower, with the 1 cubic foot enclosure acting as the stand for a Kepler-like monitor.
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These drivers look to be quite an accomplishment Kevin, congrats on pulling off the design! They should be perfect for a theater setup, and I'm in the planning stages of building mine right now. I'll order a few pair in a week or so for the fronts and center, probably paired with Seas DXT's just like you were planning.
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Ryan! Your back! I too am drooling over these drivers. :drool: They look very interesting.
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That video is just sick Kevin. Might have to grab a few of those at that price to play with.
Bryan
I'll trade you a pair of loudspeakers for some Art Panels and diffusors Bryan. That would seriously upgrade my room and I'd love to do an Exodus version with some tasteful design elements.
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Thats a great looking speaker Kevin. I am excited to see a new 180mm speaker with XBL technoligy. I could have sworn I have seen that motor before. I took a picture of one of my drivers from a company that is no longer around just to compare. I look forward to trying your new driver in 2010.
Raw Acoustics LXII driver below
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=25020)
http://www.diycable.com/main/images/Anarchy/WebPics/A3.jpg (http://www.diycable.com/main/images/Anarchy/WebPics/A3.jpg)
Best of luck in the newyear.
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I had trouble pulling just one Anarchy out of the shipping box because it was so heavy. Once I did, OMG was the first thing out of my mouth. An unbelievable woofer for the price. :D
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Thats a great looking speaker Kevin. I am excited to see a new 180mm speaker with XBL technoligy. I could have sworn I have seen that motor before. I took a picture of one of my drivers from a company that is no longer around just to compare. I look forward to trying your new driver in 2010.
Raw Acoustics LXII driver below
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=25020)
http://www.diycable.com/main/images/Anarchy/WebPics/A3.jpg (http://www.diycable.com/main/images/Anarchy/WebPics/A3.jpg)
Best of luck in the newyear.
Yea... I miss hearing from Al. I'm not privy to the details of Al's woofer. I think it was a higher BL high-efficiency unit rather than a low-reaching stroker. The motor looks larger/higher B than the Anarchy. Like anything you have to pick your poison when you design something. High-efficiency means less bandwidth. I've picked a spot somewhere between the Extremis and Al's midwoofer. It is pretty much the same as my EX-6.5 which I felt was a good balance point for box size, bandwidth and efficiency for this size device.
I'd call the Anarchy an evolution of the earlier designs. It makes the same tradeoff for box size, bandwidth and efficiency as my EX-6.5 but adds more usable stoke and much better performance in terms of usable upper frequency bandwidth due to the clean response. It has more suspension capability than any of the previous designs which translates into better behavior in overload situations and cleaner performance at the limits. The most difficult thing though was getting the good clean midrange performance PLUS all that usable stroke. The two are difficult to combine as you usually have a tradeoff one for the other.
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I'll trade you a pair of loudspeakers for some Art Panels and diffusors Bryan. That would seriously upgrade my room and I'd love to do an Exodus version with some tasteful design elements.
Hehe - I'd love to. Not sure what Glenn would think about that though :nono: :wink: Drop me a line and we might be able to work something out.
So how much have you played with the driver in various boxes?
Bryan
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Hehe - I'd love to. Not sure what Glenn would think about that though :nono: :wink: Drop me a line and we might be able to work something out.
So how much have you played with the driver in various boxes?
Bryan
Brian,
Don't do it, if he puts the panels and diffusors into his listening room, Kevin will make me sleep in my car the next time I'm over his way.:nono:
Kevin's always messing around with something, the guy just can't sit still. In fact, he was putting together a super secret project when I talked to him earlier today. It does involve the Anarchy, but I'm not permitted to say more.
Best Regards,
TerryO
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Brian,
Don't do it, if he puts the panels and diffusors into his listening room, Kevin will make me sleep in my car the next time I'm over his way.:nono:
Kevin's always messing around with something, the guy just can't sit still. In fact, he was putting together a super secret project when I talked to him earlier today. It does involve the Anarchy, but I'm not permitted to say more.
Best Regards,
TerryO
The bed is going to move anyway Terry. I'm building a room in the garage for Lucas and that bed is going to him so you are going to have to sleep with the dog next trip. :)
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The bed is going to move anyway Terry. I'm building a room in the garage for Lucas and that bed is going to him so you are going to have to sleep with the dog next trip. :)
As long as it's not in the same room with you, I'll be OK. Your dog doesn't snore nearly as loud as you do!
:o
Signed,
"Sleepless at VSAC"
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As long as it's not in the same room with you, I'll be OK. Your dog doesn't snore nearly as loud as you do!
:o
Signed,
"Sleepless at VSAC"
Dallas (the dog) may not snore but he has another biological function that may keep you awake.
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Dallas (the dog) may not snore but he has another biological function that may keep you awake.
Dallas? I thought his name was Lubbock. :duh:
I think it's pretty low to say nasty things about him that he can't help.
As I've always been a defender and champion of the oppressed "underdog," I feel it's only fair to point out that he has far less fleas than a certain "Audio Professional" that shall remain anonymous.
Best Regards,
"Truthful" TerryO
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Just as an FYI, I ordered a dozen of these guys and they came via UPS on Thursday. Very well packed and suprisingly heavy little guys. Although extremely unscientific (my opinion), the craftsmanship appears very good and the look and feel is substantial. I have a guy designing three 2.5 way towers for up front and four ceiling mounted pseudo omni MT surrounds for the rear. The extra two Anarchy's will be for two additional MTs going in the family room. Should be nice but it's going to take a while for the build to finish. I'll post more in a dedicated thread as is warranted. Oh yeah... the tweeter will likely be from SB Acoustics... but that is not finalized.
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Just as an FYI, I ordered a dozen of these guys and they came via UPS on Thursday. Very well packed and suprisingly heavy little guys. Although extremely unscientific (my opinion), the craftsmanship appears very good and the look and feel is substantial. I have a guy designing three 2.5 way towers for up front and four ceiling mounted pseudo omni MT surrounds for the rear. The extra two Anarchy's will be for two additional MTs going in the family room. Should be nice but it's going to take a while for the build to finish. I'll post more in a dedicated thread as is warranted. Oh yeah... the tweeter will likely be from SB Acoustics... but that is not finalized.
The build-house for these is top-notch. They have a reputation for quality and they have a great engineering department with a Klippel in the prototype facility. One of the reasons I work with them is because of the strength of their in-house engineering and the quality of their production measures. You pay a little extra but for me I don't really care about cost. I'd rather spend an extra 10-20% and have high Q/C and production consistency. You can use cheaper places but the extra $5 per driver is money well spent.
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Could you speculate on how well these would work as an open baffle midrange? Say between 250-350Hz up to around 2kHz?
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Could you speculate on how well these would work as an open baffle midrange? Say between 250-350Hz up to around 2kHz?
Should work great in that capacity because they have lots of stroke, minimal noise with excursion and they have smooth usable response in that range. For something like an Orion type of midwoofer they would be great.
I've been modeling a couple horn designs. Get this... corner loaded should get at least 115dB from 25Hz-80Hz in about 2.5 cubic feet. How is that for insane? :lol:
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I've been modeling a couple horn designs. Get this... corner loaded should get at least 115dB from 25Hz-80Hz in about 2.5 cubic feet. How is that for insane? :lol:
Awesome! :thumb:
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Thanks. I'll be keeping my eye on this one :)
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There is a review of the Anarchy in the upcoming March issue of Voice Coil Magazine for those acoustical engineers who want to see more detail. I've not seen the article but I know how they measure so expect it to be positive. For those industry folks you can sign up for the digital download version at this link.
http://www.audioxpress.com/magsdirx/voxcoil/index.htm
Also the price is adjusting upward as I have to set it to some sort of sustainable long-term value. Originally that was going to be $80 bones but I think I'll keep it right around $65 which is still a good value but enough that I can upgrade my lunch menu from Mac & Cheese and Top Ramen Noodles.
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Any idea when you might be raising the price? :)
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Any idea when you might be raising the price? :)
I have a feeling that you will be getting a glut of orders just prior to the price hike. I might be one of those orders once a good speaker design is hashed out.
Thanks.
Tom
P.S. I went to the site and the sale ends February 9, 2010!
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I couldn't find where it says when sale ends.
Is the price going up before Danny designs something for these drivers? Might have to get a pair before it does.
I have a feeling that you will be getting a glut of orders just prior to the price hike. I might be one of those orders once a good speaker design is hashed out.
Thanks.
Tom
P.S. I went to the site and the sale ends February 9, 2010!
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Should work great in that capacity because they have lots of stroke, minimal noise with excursion and they have smooth usable response in that range. For something like an Orion type of midwoofer they would be great.
I've been modeling a couple horn designs. Get this... corner loaded should get at least 115dB from 25Hz-80Hz in about 2.5 cubic feet. How is that for insane? :lol:
Kevin,
I'm ready when you are.
Best Regards,
TerryO
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Kevin,
I'm ready when you are.
Best Regards,
TerryO
I'm ready for vacation. I never thought I'd get tired of talking about audio but I'm just about there. :lol:
Kevin Haskins
Exodus Audio
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I'm ready for vacation. I never thought I'd get tired of talking about audio but I'm just about there. :lol:
Kevin
Kevin,
With the hours you spend working, I'm not surprised a bit that you could use a vacation!
I always found it to be therapeutic to beat my kids from time to time, that is, until they got big enough to reciprocate. Now I live in mortal fear and sleep with one eye open, just in case!
:green:
Would you like me to put you in touch with my Channeler, Kray Z. Knight?
Seriously, you could use some "downtime," which I'm afraid, you're seemingly incapable of.
Best Regards,
Terry
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Will these fit in a car door? Would they be good in a 2.1 car audio application?
Thanks.
M
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Kevin,
With the hours you spend working, I'm not surprised a bit that you could use a vacation!
I always found it to be therapeutic to beat my kids from time to time, that is, until they got big enough to reciprocate. Now I live in mortal fear and sleep with one eye open, just in case!
:green:
Would you like me to put you in touch with my Channeler, Kray Z. Knight?
Seriously, you could use some "downtime," which I'm afraid, you're seemingly incapable of.
Best Regards,
Terry
You know what I like about you Terry? It is your twisted mind... I like that about you.
Hell.... I'm going to need to get a second job at the rate I'm going. Vacation, retirement, food.... those are things that only the wealthy and retired postal workers can afford.
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Will these fit in a car door? Would they be good in a 2.1 car audio application?
Thanks.
M
They are pretty deep... you cannot get a lot of stroke with mechanical clearance with a shallow woofer. The parameters and dimensions are all in the data sheets. I know nothing about your car door so it is kind of hard for me to speculate but there is nothing unique about midwoofers used in cars other than gaudy design elements, small physical size and they are typically 4-Ohm nominal drivers. If I were to design something for a car application I'd probably pick something that worked well in small sealed boxes. A car door is typically a type of aperiodic enclosure. It is a leaky sealed enclosure of unknown size. Most car audio guys stuff a woofer in some space for which they don't know the volume so the results vary significantly.
http://diyaudioprojects.com/Technical/Aperiodic/
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You know what I like about you Terry? It is your twisted mind... I like that about you.
Hell.... I'm going to need to get a second job at the rate I'm going. Vacation, retirement, food.... those are things that only the wealthy and retired postal workers can afford.
Kevin,
The next time you're over this way, drop by and I'll share my can of beans with you. That way it can be two out the three things you mentioned above.
BTW: Retirement sucks! I'm busier than I've ever been, trying to meet the demands of my loving wife (Evil Annie).
Best Regards,
TerryO
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Kevin,
The next time you're over this way, drop by and I'll share my can of beans with you. That way it can be two out the three things you mentioned above.
BTW: Retirement sucks! I'm busier than I've ever been, trying to meet the demands of my loving wife (Evil Annie).
Best Regards,
TerryO
I'm coming over on Tuesday but I'm pretty booked up with the social workers and Dr. Wiggles. Let me know when the next meeting is for the Pacific NW Audio Society and I'll tear myself away from the pleasures of Port Angeles.
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I'm coming over on Tuesday but I'm pretty booked up with the social workers and Dr. Wiggles. Let me know when the next meeting is for the Pacific NW Audio Society and I'll tear myself away from the pleasures of Port Angeles.
Kevin,
The next meeting is Thursday, Feb. 11th.
The official blurb says:
"How-to-set-up turntables and archiving LP's to digital files. When done right, the digital copy can sound amazing."
That's a little close to your date with the social workers, but if you're up for it we can have dinner (or if you're the early bird type and the ferries are running, break-fast, lunch AND dinner, or do you prefer Supper?). I can pretty much plan around your schedule, whatever it is.
:eyebrows:
Best Regards,
TerryO
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Kevin,
The next meeting is Thursday, Feb. 11th.
The official blurb says:
"How-to-set-up turntables and archiving LP's to digital files. When done right, the digital copy can sound amazing."
That's a little close to your date with the social workers, but if you're up for it we can have dinner (or if you're the early bird type and the ferries are running, break-fast, lunch AND dinner, or do you prefer Supper?). I can pretty much plan around your schedule, whatever it is.
:eyebrows:
Best Regards,
TerryO
I'll have to punt on that one.... I'll be playing catch-up after missing Tuesday. How about next month? Do they have anything scheduled on archiving your digital files on LPs and the LP copy can sound amazing!??
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I'll have to punt on that one.... I'll be playing catch-up after missing Tuesday. How about next month? Do they have anything scheduled on archiving your digital files on LPs and the LP copy can sound amazing!??
Kevin,
The "theme" for the March 11th meeting is:
"Loudspeaker and Amp Demo"
"Local Loudspeaker manufacturer Eficion and amplifier manufacturer Jones Audio will demstrate their products."
I don't know anything about Jones Audio, but Eficion had the room across the hall from ours at VSAC.
However that may be, the following month (April 8th) should be interesting:
"Audio from Scratch:
Experience designs from the Club's Do-It-Yourselfers. Many of the designs are quite amazing."
Just let me know when you want to get together.
Best Regards,
TerryO
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Kevin,
The "theme" for the March 11th meeting is:
"Loudspeaker and Amp Demo"
"Local Loudspeaker manufacturer Eficion and amplifier manufacturer Jones Audio will demstrate their products."
I don't know anything about Jones Audio, but Eficion had the room across the hall from ours at VSAC.
However that may be, the following month (April 8th) should be interesting:
"Audio from Scratch:
Experience designs from the Club's Do-It-Yourselfers. Many of the designs are quite amazing."
Just let me know when you want to get together.
Best Regards,
TerryO
Hmm... I don't remember them. I didn't leave the room much.
I'd love to do the DIY theme-night.
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Hmm... I don't remember them. I didn't leave the room much.
I'd love to do the DIY theme-night.
Yeah, when I saw that I thought that would be one you might like to attend.
Of course, somehow I got roped into organizing the meeting, but that's OK.
Best Regards,
TerryO