Thanks for sharing James!!
Will it plug into and be powered by the MPS-2??
Can't wait to give it a go...
Wayne.
Some nice for sure,James as I have the BDA-1(studio version),can a person order the BDP-1 with the 19" rack mount face plate :thumb:.
:drool: Looks gorgeous. Is it a mockup or the real thing. However if you can stand some criticism.... on the aestethics side.... IMHO the 4 button group is either too close to the horizontal line of buttons... or maybe the horizontal line may look better if it continued the 4 button group on the center horizontal axis.... something is not perfectly balanced there according to my taste. It looks cramped at the point where the 4 button group and the horizontal line of buttons meet.
Way to go, James!
Nap. :inlove:
I agree with the comments on button configuration. Also, I think it would be better if the buttons were the same type as those used on the BDA-1. I am looking forward to getting one of these.
Tony
Hi folks,
I am afraid thats where they have to go given the "GUTS" behind the faceplate which is laid out for maximum performance.
james
Hi folks,
I am afraid thats where they have to go given the "GUTS" behind the faceplate which is laid out for maximum performance.
james
Was there a reason for using a different button style from that used on the BDA-1?
Tony
Move the 4 button group closer to the display? just couple of millimeters to balance it some more? I guess you could try in photoshop to see what gives.
Yes I know we're giving you a hard time but it is with the best intentions.
Nap.
The buttons will change as we go into production.
james
Can't - the display is larger than the visual part and we are as close as we can get.
james
James,
Where do we plug the USB Stick into the unit?
If it is on the back, that would not be very convenient for me.
Thanks, JohnnyB
James,
Where do we plug the USB Stick into the unit?
If it is on the back, that would not be very convenient for me.
Thanks, JohnnyB
Hi James, looks great
What is the height in inches or millimeteres of the type on the display?
What type of display is it? LCD, VFD?
James,
will the BDP-1 be delivered with the remote BR-2?
al.
James,
I guess what I'm really asking is will the BDP-1 read and play the music on my hard drive without anything else attached to it (other than a DAC)?
James,
Please forgive my ignorance; I'm a little slow. I'm still trying to figure out what excatly the BDP-1 is actually doing. Maybe asking this way will help me understand it better...
I have all my music ripped from CDs using iTunes Apple Lossless with error correction. I have them stored onto an external hard drive (Seagate 1TB that looks pretty similar to the one in the pictures). I also have an iPhone.
I run an Apple TV (music is synched to its hard drive) that I can control using my iPhone that feeds a DAC. Is basically what I'd be doing is replacing the Apple TV with the BDP-1 by connecting my Seagate hard drive to it?
I guess what I'm really asking is will the BDP-1 read and play the music on my hard drive without anything else attached to it (other than a DAC)?
Will Apple Lossless work, or would I have to convert to another format like WAV, FLAC, etc.?
I have wifi, which I assume is how the iPhone will 'talk' to the BDP-1. Any other function of wifi in this regard?
James, can you post a Pick of the Rear Panel … Input/ output Connections :drool:
Thanks Robert :thumb:
Looks Great hope it Comes in Black 17”
I guess my new iPad may have another use :wink:
I may be tempted by this unit..we'll see. If I do get one it would be an easy 'shoot-out' with the Transporter fed via wi-fi to see if there is any significant difference.
I suspect the Transporter is still more user-friendly......but it would be curious to test to see if the Tranporter and wi-fi really does pale in comparison.
Any ballpark figures for where MSRP will be for BDP-1?
Keith
.........The BDP-1 gets its digital files from a USB Drive directly attached to it. So it can be a Thumb Drive or a USB Harddrive. There is NO STREAMING going on - it is a direct connection between the USB drive and the BDP-1........
Perhaps best to remove the inference to streaming in the literature where it reads: "The USB device streams the stored digital music content in its native sample rate and bit depth into the BDP-1 Digital Player".
:)
brucek
I think this will be an awesome product.
The design and concept are great.
The MSRP is what gives me pause:
When you have to spend a lot of money on all other separates - preamp, power amps, DAC, another $2100 gets tough, especially when cmpared against a product like the Slim Devices Touch at $300, for us average Joe audiophiles.
I don't doubt that the performance will be outstanding, but a lower price point is my only comment. A price point that starts with a '$1k' rather than a '$2k' may gain you more success. (albeit, I don't know your production costs)
A new remote has been announced:
http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-4-photos-2010-6#-1 (http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-4-photos-2010-6#-1)
Nap. :wink:
A new remote has been announced:
http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-4-photos-2010-6#-1 (http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-4-photos-2010-6#-1)
Nap. :wink:
Yes, i am sure Apple's herd of cattle will love it..... :thumb:
Are you saying Bryston's herd of cattle won't?
Steve
Yes, i am sure Apple's herd of cattle will love it..... :thumb:
Are you saying Bryston's herd of cattle won't?
Steve
I must be a stray out of the herd, If it has the word Apple on it I run the other way.
James will it be released in Asia at the same time?
Macs Rock!
Read what Elias Gwinn from Benchmark Media Systems has to say about the OSX sound subsystem:
http://www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/108bench/index5.html (http://www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/108bench/index5.html)
The iPod is broken too, it took me little time to figure it out. No measurements needed.
Wake me up when they fix it.
Um, the quote references version 7.5 but iTunes is now up to version 9.1.1. Is this still an issue?
Shouldnt the remote be included? Am I going to be able to read that text from 10' away? This is obviously not something that can sit in your lap... Also can you give a running example of the interface, search mechanisms, organization that will be used. And how can you see all that on the tiny screen?
As a side note:
Macs Rock!
I currently use 3 remotes to interface - an Itouch, A web-browzer on my desktop computer and my Mac laptop.
All, James;
The use of digital media appears pretty complicated to me.
Would 'someone' outline some specific examples of how to get going in this arena.
For example, "Windows users should....."; "Mac users should....."; Linus users should...."
Which software and file storage options work best?
How to integrate hardware?
How to manage our MP3, CD's, DVD-A, etc on our computers?
This is very confusing to me.
Thanks, JohnnyB
Hi JohnnyB,
Here is the easiest setup I have seen so far - this is the Male version only :icon_lol:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=31337)
james
I agree with the others, $2,100 is a lot more than expected. It would be interesting to compare to the Transporter, though.James,,,,RESPECTFULLY,, I don't really understand what I am buying here that would be worth $2550 (or so) CDN. I understand that Bryston makes the best quality products and that you're in business to make money. I get the price of your DAC, CDP and amps but somehow I just don't see it in this product.Are there a lot of goodies under the cover??
Keith
James,,,,RESPECTFULLY,, I don't really understand what I am buying here that would be worth $2550 (or so) CDN. I understand that Bryston makes the best quality products and that you're in business to make money. I get the price of your DAC, CDP and amps but somehow I just don't see it in this product.Are there a lot of goodies under the cover??
Please understand the 2 line display is NOT meant to replace a normal network setup. It is just there to assist in simple less complicated file management and to allow quick setup and use without the need for a network connection.
I currently use 3 remotes to interface - an Itouch, A web-browzer on my desktop computer and my Mac laptop.
james
I am not sure if i am comfortable with it being more than the cost of the dac...
Do all 3 require the use of a router?
Trying to get away from using a router or a running computer, which is why I suggested a video out, instead of a VFD or LCD(RFI and EMI issues) to select programing.
A lot of information to correlate with respect to this :scratch:
What advantages are they for an individual who already has an existing CD/SACD collection in adapting this technology with the BDP-1? I can understand an individual with a small music collection going this route with the BDP-1.
Also, I am wondering if “grabbing” a CD off the shelf and placing it in the CD player will be more user friendly than using the BDP-1?
I just ordered some music from Abney Park (a Steampunk band) and the option was there for a digital download, but I selected CD’s instead. It is going to be interesting watching the evolution of this kind of audio device.
Best wishes for the BDP-1 rollout.
Be well…
Hi Laundrew,
I think it would depend on whether you want digital resolution in your music beyond 44.1/16bit :D
james
...i think that one of the benefits is that you dont have to turn on your computer to get access to your digital music files?!
al.
OK let me explain....
Is it controversial because it's not obvious at first glance what it is.
It is a.... transport. A hard disk transport. Similar to a CD transport, except it reads data from a hard drive. A state of the art audiophile hard disk transport @ $2000. Forget about the remotes, network and the infinite ways you could organize and display the playlists. That's just an user interface. The essence is that it is a transport.
Now to compound the :scratch:, there are two additional issues.
First, it doesn't have a DAC. If Bryston came up with the BCD-1 as a transport only too, it would had been controversial for the same reason ("mhhh yet another transport, digital is digital, the bits on the cable are the same so why do I need a $2000 one, my $500 CD player has digital output and will do the job as well").
Second, the hi-rez downloads are not a well established "media". So people don't think yet about them very seriously. They mostly think "CD rips" for now, which makes the BDP controversial again. ("why not just listen to the CDs directly").
Nap. :thumb:
Because cd drives are inheritantly high in jitter..
... and errors etc.
We already had a thread started by Mag where we identified several very strong reasons to play the data from a hard disk instead of a CD.
Let's look at the economic aspect too: you can have the BCD-1 for $3500 or the BDA-1/BDP-1 combo for $4000.
Which one to go?
Nap. :thumb:
Read what Elias Gwinn from Benchmark Media Systems has to say about the OSX sound subsystem:
http://www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/108bench/index5.html (http://www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/108bench/index5.html)
The iPod is broken too, it took me little time to figure it out. No measurements needed.
Nap. :thumb:
* What does the player interface look like on an iPod Touch (at least at this point)?
* Will there be an iPad app, too (taking advantage of the larger real estate)?
James has said in other threads that the ipod touch/iphone app is MPoD. It's open source so you can install the server on a computer and give it a go.
Also... there's tons of MPoD solutions so there is probably an app for every smartphone out there...
Oops, sorry, didn't see that. MPod is fine, cool. I love one silly aspect of it
* Option to hide artists that only appear on compilation albums
I will definitely go and have a listen to this gear when it is out. I just feel like we are on this huge circular ride to achieve a truer, digitally created analogue waveform - it is almost like we are trying to re-invent vinyl or magnetic tape using 1‘s and 0‘s.
Although I do not own a TT, I have a sneaking suspicion, that in the not so distant future, some creative marketing consultants will re-introduce the LP as the ultimate analogue source for home audio…
Be well...
James, can you clarify this a little bit please ? Is this referring to hi-rez formats?
"As far as I'm aware the player is one of very few capable of playing audio without stutter."
I have been playing with a wide variety of digital playback devices over the years, and currently have 7 squeezebox's throughout the house. All squeezebox's are served from one back end squeeze server dishing out FLAC's/WAV/M4A's and MP3's, often with several squeezebox's playing simultaneously. I have installed the squeeze server on all types of platforms including REALLY low end devices (Fit-pc's, Koolu's etc) and seldom if ever had stutter issues? For a while I even had a low end (VIA CPU) unit serve as the squeeze server and stream hi-rez video (40 mbps).
Cheers, and Thanks
Scott
James... I'm excited... Also price is what I expected which means it's going head-to-head with the transporter, naim uniti, etc.
" I just bought a new TT and am going 'back to the future'..."
A perfect summation Bill :thumb: :notworthy:
I could not help but relate this subject to an original Star Trek episode “Court Martial.” Yes I know the names of all of the original Star Trek episodes :oops: :P
Just substitute “digital music file” for “computer”, “music” for “law” and finally, “Records” for “books” in the partial Star Trek script below.
Enjoy :o
Kirk: What is all this?
Cogley: I figure we'll be spending some time together, so I moved in.
Kirk: I hope I'm not crowding you.
Cogley: What's the matter? Don't you like books?
Kirk: Oh, I like them fine, but a computer takes less space.
Cogley: A computer, huh? I got one of these in my office. Contains all the precedents, a synthesis of all the great legal decisions written throughout time. I never use it.
Kirk: Why not?
Cogley: I've got my own system. Books, young man, books. Thousands of them. If time wasn't so important, I'd show you something--my library. Thousands of books.
Kirk: What would be the point?
Cogley: This is where the law is, not in that homogenized, pasteurized, synthesized... do you want to know the law, the ancient concepts in their own language, learn the intent of the men who wrote them, from Moses to the tribunal of Alpha 3? Books.
Kirk: You have to be either an obsessive crackpot who's escaped from his keeper or Samuel T. Cogley, attorney-at-law.
Cogley: Right on both counts
E-mail me about your TT and pre when you get a chance :D
Be well...
The only difference is that the Transporter includes a DAC which is pretty darn good. I have the Transporter and the BDA-1. The Transporter DAC is not far off the BDA-1. However, I still use the Transporter to feed the BDA-1 because it is marginally better for me.I should give the transporter more credit but the remote for it is practically useless..and ease of use is very important for me. I'm thankful of the fact that it supports every codec out there, which is probably the biggest limitations of the BDP. Also I do like the fact that it has digital inputs but for the two setups i have, the DAC isn't a selling point. I will be first to admit that the BDP-1 should have a DAC as an option but I also don't want anyone that has a B26DA or Pre/Pro with a digital input to have to spend extra money on a the dac when they don't really need it. Nothing is perfect.. Streaming, a local HDD, using an ipod/iphone as remote..all has it's downfall... I've also been known to preach that records are the wave of the future ;)
However, if I want I can take the Transporter upstairs (or leave in my main system) and have a world class transport and DAC (all in one). Even though it may not be 100% of the performance...it mid to high 90's for sure. So, really you need to compare the price of the BDA-1/BDP-1 to the Transporter to be fair...and that's $2,000 vs $4,200. Sure, the BDA-1/BDP-1 may be better, but I'm willing to bet its pretty close.
But I'm a big Bryston fan and always have been, so I'm sure it will be a solid product. However, even for me the Transporter into the BDA-1 is hard to beat using the Duet as the interface. This thing is just great..so, the 'user-friendly' side wins out for me...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=31380)
I did think that the BDP-1 would be cheaper based upon the early descriptions of a 'pared-down' unit. However, $2,100 is not expensive in the audio world. There is more expensive out there. I think the only thing is that the BDP-1 will be competing in a market where there are oodles of 'similar' products that will likely have most or much of the performance with more user-friendly interfaces.
I'm sure I may eventually get one. It would be a 'no-brainer' if record companies issed new albums on individual 'thumb drives' for about the price of a new CD today.
Keith
(Sorry Napalm, i skipped Shaved Bieber... even though he's probably too young to shave...)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2010/jun/03/justin-bieber-shaved-bieber (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2010/jun/03/justin-bieber-shaved-bieber)
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Internet-Applications-Addons/Mozilla-Extensions/Shaved-Bieber.shtml (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Internet-Applications-Addons/Mozilla-Extensions/Shaved-Bieber.shtml)
Have fun!
Nap. :icon_twisted:
i will just follow the brinks guys around hoping they drop a bag and not notice.
There you go! haha.
Hehe, more than likely use the 6 months no payment option or a 12 month....
Hehe, more then likely use the 6 months no payment option or a 12 month....
James,
the BDP-1 has USB 2.0 inputs. are they upgradeable to USB 3.0?
al.
If people had actually read the entire thread they would have understood...
Any chance of adding an optical out?
Boy I have to say the BDP-1 has sure created some controversy from people out there. [...]
Word/master clock interface
It is for someone that recognizes the value of a hardwired (no streaming) digital playback system (using USB drives) and the ability to at least have some limited functionality and ability to play your music files without the need to be connected to a networkWhat so bad in being connected to network? This is how LINN DS systems work..
Okay, this thing has a display, what does it display? What can this thing tell you about the content of a particular thumb drive or hard drive when operating in the "stand alone" mode?
James,
Don't give up on us. This thing could be great, but since you laid it out there in preview mode you HAD to assume we'd ask. :)
You mention in the pre-release info that it has a state of the art sound card. If that means it competes with the Lynx's of the world, and has the flexibility required to connect to various hi-end DAC's (your market would be too small if it were just a BDA-1 partner, and few will spend $2100 and connect it to a $500 DAC) then why wouldn't Bryston be open to an interface (BNC/SPDIF) that allows for external clocking like Antelope, etc? It's really not a whacked idea...
Okay, this thing has a display, what does it display? What can this thing tell you about the content of a particular thumb drive or hard drive when operating in the "stand alone" mode?
I agree, but its because the bda 1 doesnt have a master out on the clock.... It kinda points to that if you put one the bdp and not have it on the bda...
good point
On my desk right now I have a thumb drive with three hi-res (24/96) albums plus one other song. I know exactly what they are and with the BDP-1 I will be able to insert it into the front panel, scroll down to the selection I want to hear using the display and hit play.
Have no idea what you're talking about.
I have M2Tech hiFace with BNC output device, plug-it in, install custom driver with Kernel Streaming and foobar, and you got PERFECT transport.
WASAPI on Windows7 with J.River resolves also the issue with Windows mixing stack.
Mmmm... It could be a good idea to add slots for optional 2,5" SSD on the rear of the unit, no ? :drool:
Also, I'm OK with the USB port but adding a multiformat memory card reader could be great to avoid having a protruding USB key on the front of the player.
(Is it me, or the curve of the front panel, as seen on the unit's side on the picture, is different from the current BDA-1 ? Please, no.)
james
any update on approximate release date for BDP-1 and pricing (is 2100 firm or will price be lower) :eyebrows:
Why no line outputs?
BTW folks, I was trying "NAS" yesterday in the shape of a D-link DNS-323 and WD 1TB drives. It took me the best part of the day to figure out that the WD10EARS drive models should not be used in RAID modes. In fact, I got much wiser about large capacity drives and RAID. So now I'm packing them back and will be paying a visit to futureshop shortly for a refund.
:finger: NAS and large drives.
Nap.
The Netgear ReadyNAS NV+ works fine with 1TB drives, and I see they have qualified the 1.5 and 2TB drives now as well.
It is NOT a 'server' or a 'file management' or a 'file storage' or a 'streamer' system and was never meant to be.
Upon reading this I conclude that I'm not in, or perhaps peripheral to, the target market. These days my entire music collection is stored on a machine living in a far away closet and my household enjoys the freedom that comes from being able to access every single bit of that collection from anywhere in the house by any member of the family.
The problem that arises for me is to be able to get those bits to a DAC of my choice. That might mean squeezing the audio out my daughter's iPod, to trying to get the bits out my Bryston amplifier. Having become used to this, I cannot see myself cloning select sections of the library to a USB drive route to feed the BDP-1.
I think I've been spoilt by the access the Squeezebox use model has provided in recent years.
As James points out, the above comes at the technical cost. For example, there's no way that many people without the requisite technical knowledge could ever figure out how to configure and maintain the above. They are comfortable with inserting a CD (or perhaps even a thumb drive) into a player, and pressing PLAY. Any more than that makes the system too complicated to be useful.
That said, I think that SAMBA/CIFS and FLAC support would provide the bare minimum to make the BDP-1 useful to me.
Upon reading this I conclude that I'm not in, or perhaps peripheral to, the target market. These days my entire music collection is stored on a machine living in a far away closet and my household enjoys the freedom that comes from being able to access every single bit of that collection from anywhere in the house by any member of the family.
The problem that arises for me is to be able to get those bits to a DAC of my choice. That might mean squeezing the audio out my daughter's iPod, to trying to get the bits out my Bryston amplifier. Having become used to this, I cannot see myself cloning select sections of the library to a USB drive route to feed the BDP-1.
I think I've been spoilt by the access the Squeezebox use model has provided in recent years.
As James points out, the above comes at the technical cost. For example, there's no way that many people without the requisite technical knowledge could ever figure out how to configure and maintain the above. They are comfortable with inserting a CD (or perhaps even a thumb drive) into a player, and pressing PLAY. Any more than that makes the system too complicated to be useful.
That said, I think that SAMBA/CIFS and FLAC support would provide the bare minimum to make the BDP-1 useful to me.
Skunark,
if (especially) MP3 would be something the BDP-1 would "play" then i think James would have let us known about that. i can be wrong here but lossy formats like MP3 won't find its way through the BDP-1 ?!? the BDP-1 stands for high quality and high resolution.
maybe James can clarify the situation...
best,
al.
How about the NAS thing. Will the BDP-1 understand NFS? I'm ready to try a new D-link DNS-323 with different drives on Monday. It supports NFS.
Nap.
Correct - I think what has to be remembered is the BDP-1 was born out of a need to play High Resolution files properly (above CD quality). I have both types of systems at home - (main storage and access from anywhere on the network) but I have to say I find myself using the BDP-1 in my own sanctuary more and more - maybe I'm just being selfish but I like the dark room and dedicataed music playback in my man-cave. :thumb:
We may include MP3 for all those that know no better :D
james
Don't get me wrong, I'm all excited about the BDP-1, just want it to support all the key formats and be user friendly. There are a lot of excellent sounding options out there and I know Bryston has the ability to outperform them musically, but the less head scratching about why it won't do this or that the more successful I think the product will be.
James
Couple questions
Could the BDP-1 be used with the DAC option in the BP-26 and what is price for adding DAC to pre-amp
Is the USB connector on the front of the BDP-1 the same as those used on mass market PC products or is it higher quality to withstand 20 years of use :o
Nikon
When do we hear it live?
Hi James
Awesome literature - any photos of the inside and rear panel available - are dealers accepting orders yet :drool:
Nikon
Mhhh some subliminal message there.... large B and P letters and the word "fuel"....
Playing with fire, eh? :nono:
Now wait until good old Nap comes up with a parody featuring Lady Gaga or something...
Nap. :jester:
Mhhh some subliminal message there.... large B and P letters and the word "fuel"....
Playing with fire, eh? :nono:
Now wait until good old Nap comes up with a parody featuring Lady Gaga or something...
Nap. :jester:
Should that not be a “square wave form” behind the BDP-1?
Nope, that would be DSD.....
Nap. :eyebrows:
Anyone one here that could comment on Synology NAS boxes?
:lol:
of course its a square wave, the pozer shines through again..... :wink:
I can't comment on their RAID performance as I chose a single-drive DS110j. I like the administration software and the ability to schedule a power on and off routine (don't know if each and every model supports this). My model uses 9W when on and idle.
They are not fanless, but I believe a fan cooled enclosure can only contribute to increased reliability.
It's hard to find negative comments and reviews on them, and NAS type devices are all that they manufacture. They also have well implemented support, software downloads, forum and website organization.
Steve
Oh you are talking about the graphics behind the bdp on the left...
I found tests here http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas (http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas) but they don't address how stable they are in real life use.
I have only had mine in service for about 6 months so I can't speak to long-term reliability, but it has been perfect in its operation so far and at this point I would purchase the brand again.
My model only has external USB, it does not have eSATA. They have a nice product matrix to compare features: http://www.synology.com/enu/products/compare_spec.php (http://www.synology.com/enu/products/compare_spec.php)
Steve
Hi Steve,
Did you try this backup function? My understanding is that the USB drive used for the backup would be directly readable by a PC computer (i.e. the backup works by copying the directories/files, not by creating some proprietary huge backup file). This is absolutely great since if the NAS fails you can continue your work immediately by connecting the backup drive to your PC via USB and accessing those files. Is my understanding correct?
Thanks,
Nap.
Did you try this backup function? My understanding is that the USB drive used for the backup would be directly readable by a PC computer (i.e. the backup works by copying the directories/files, not by creating some proprietary huge backup file). This is absolutely great since if the NAS fails you can continue your work immediately by connecting the backup drive to your PC via USB and accessing those files. Is my understanding correct?
I hope the BDP-1 will support HD-AAC. Being backward compatible (for its lossy part) with all the current AAC enabled devices and softwares, I see it as a very serious contender for the future in the world of lossless audio formats.
http://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/EN/bf/amm/products/hdaac.jsp
We like FLAC because it is open and does not require and corporate approvals. 20 years from today you will still be able to play a FLAC file.
No I am sorry the only lossless we will support initially is FLAC. The purpose of the BDP-1 is to go in combination with our external DAC (BDA-1) and play 'native' high resolution digital files (AIFF, WAVE). We like FLAC because it is open and does not require any corporate approvals. 20 years from today you will still be able to play a FLAC file.
james
HD-AAC is based on open standards.
According to which definition of "open standards". It there any patent related to it?
Nap.
I'm no specialist about licensing but it should be the same as MP3 for example. HD-AAC is based on MPEG4-SLS. You can see the link I gave in a previous post if you need further informations.
Aramys
My understanding is that the USB drive used for the backup would be directly readable by a PC computer (i.e. the backup works by copying the directories/files, not by creating some proprietary huge backup file).
Have you never seen US corporations abusing patent and copyright laws in the most despicable ways? To the extent of making it unbelievably ridiculous but very damaging to the victims?
Why would I want to expose myself in any way to this s**t? After more than 2 decades of Microsoft & RIAA (Apple is just playing catch up with their iPhones/iPads) we should know better?
Cautious Nap. :roll:
Let the market decide.
Aramys
"The market" decided "iPod" "iTunes" and "Bose".
We're in a small minority here.
Nap. :thumb:
Yes, exactly. That's why I believe in HD-AAC for the future. It could become the "standard" chosen by Apple for iTunes the day they'll launch a real lossless offer because HD-AAC files are compatible with all the current Apple's players and software (the lossy part of the file). As I said previously, time will tell.
AAC is such a winner but I still don't have a single AAC file on my computer or elsewhere......
Nap. :scratch:
P.S. And by the way what was wrong with AIFF? Can't that be used for high res? Why a new format? Hint: they need a bunch of fresh patents as the old ones might expire. So voila, new format with new patents.
By the way - anyone know where I can pick up some Beta tapes? :D
james
http://cgi.ebay.com/Fuji-Super-HG-L-500-Betamax-Video-tapes-box-10-Beta-/370403963923?cmd=ViewItem&pt=VCRs&hash=item563dcbf413 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Fuji-Super-HG-L-500-Betamax-Video-tapes-box-10-Beta-/370403963923?cmd=ViewItem&pt=VCRs&hash=item563dcbf413)
Helpful Nap. :P
http://cgi.ebay.com/Fuji-Super-HG-L-500-Betamax-Video-tapes-box-10-Beta-/370403963923?cmd=ViewItem&pt=VCRs&hash=item563dcbf413 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Fuji-Super-HG-L-500-Betamax-Video-tapes-box-10-Beta-/370403963923?cmd=ViewItem&pt=VCRs&hash=item563dcbf413)
Helpful Nap. :P
Great thanks - how about ElCassetts?
james
Great thanks - how about ElCassetts?
james
FILESYSTEMS="vfat ext2 ext3 ext4 hfsplus ntfs"
No I am sorry the only lossless we will support initially is FLAC.
How about .WAV?
Nap.
Beautiful!!!! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
I already have a plan: keep the main music library in a folder on the NAS (where it's protected by RAID 1). Manage it there, add files, create playlists etc.
Then from time to time I "backup" this folder to the 2.5" USB 1TB HD. The NAS is smart enough to copy only the added/modified files so it wouldn't take long (except the first backup ever). And connect the portable HD to the BDP-1 for playback.
Yehaaaaaa!!!
Nap. :drool:
Keep practicing you might get it right .....ha!!
At this point we support Wave, AIFF, FLAC and MP3
james
I'm practicing right now..... works so far.
Nap. :thumb:
Bad news for James:
http://www.stereophile.com/news/ta_and_wharfedale_find_new_us_distribution/ (http://www.stereophile.com/news/ta_and_wharfedale_find_new_us_distribution/)
http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/ta_music_player_media_streamer/ (http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/ta_music_player_media_streamer/)
Nap.
:peek:
Bad news.... why?
That T+A is a formidable competitor to the BDA+BDP combo. Not only it comes from a reputable manufacturer, but it also has all the gimmicks that the "propeller heads" ever asked for.
Until now it was some kind of "unobtainium" in Canada... but things seem to be changing.
Of course, "bad news" is a way to speak, in reality a healthy competition based on quality (not "lowest price") is a good thing for all parties involved.
Nap.
TnA, *cough* T+A, is an interesting option with the pre-amp stage. But that also doesn't support what I would consider the absolute basic set of lossless files. Funny since they all convert to PCM in the end, seems like this wouldn't be hard.
Maybe after the BDP-1 is released, there would be room in the integrated line for a derivative of the BDP as an add-on card?
Like this?
http://www.psaudio.com/ps/products/detail/perfectwave-bridge?cat=audio
James,
can it be harmful for the BDP-1 if the connected thumb drive or external hdd are infected by a virus?
al.
Hi Al - not sure on that one - I will check.
james
One more question. Will the BDP-1 work with an external solid state drive?
Interesting info, thanks for posting James.
I really like the idea of the BDP, and I don't think the cost is out of line when you look at other hi-end alternatives like the Krell dock.
I might hesitate a bit because my wife and I are computer people and always have a couple extra lying around that I could cannibalize for a dedicated music server without buying something new, but I do understand that the BDP solves the noise problems associated with a PC. I recently hooked up my Macbook to my B100-DA via Toslink optical and was surprised how good it sounded, but there's still room for improvement. I'll probably set up a PC dedicated to ripping and storing music, and back up the files onto a terabyte drive and use that with the BDP. I can't really see myself booting up a noisy computer every time I want to listen to music.
Hi James
Couple questions ...
Any pics of rear panel and interior available yet
Will front panel buttons be same as BDA-1 / BCD-1 / BR-2 on production version or same as earlier pics
What is approximate timing for deliveries after first batch (you mentioned in earlier post that first batch is sold out)
Nikon
And a BLUE LED !!!!!!!
:icon_twisted:
Wow. I can see TWO usb inputs now.
Nap. :P
That's the picture - all will be green.
James
Hi James
You posted a silver combo, is there any chance to post a black combo?
Hi Nikon,
I am hoping end of August for first production run. We are still playing with the back panel and the internals.
Here is a shot in engineering of the BDP-1 and the BDA-1.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=33174)
james
Yes we are playing with the idea of 4 USB inputs instead of 3.
james
James,
I think the idea of having two USB inputs on the front (as well as the back) of the unit is a good decision.
Best,
John
What about a USB-B connection? Or a Firewire connection?
No we are sticking with USB - truely I am "connectored out"
james
Hi John - we were discussing that today and I thought maybe 4 was too many. Given that you can buy 1TB USB drives now 3 may be more than plenty.
james
James if you have more than one source drive connected, will the menu list the song titles by source, or list them all as one source?
Cheers
Hmm... Interesting, since there only is a USB-B connection on the BDA-1, and no USB-A, which will be the only connection on the BDP-1...
Hi Keith,
Yes I know it's tempting :drool: - we still have some work to do but I am very happy so far with the performance.
james
Would a NAS drive like this one work with the BDP-1?: http://www.synology.com/enu/products/DS411+/index.php (http://www.synology.com/enu/products/DS411+/index.php)
It does have USB ports, and since it is connected to a network music files could be added without disconnecting the drive.
I think the issue here is that this is not a product designed for thousands of music files and the management of such. it is really much more applicable to someone wanting to listen to and have access to hundreds of files rather than thousands.
Is this an issue you plan to fix with an ipod/ipad app or will that still be an issue?
You called out an issue on the fact that the BDP-1 is not that usable if you had thousands of files on a usb drive. Is that something that will be addressed with the ipod/ipad app? Perhaps it is just the nature of how the BDP-1 reads files from the USB drives?
I wouldn't call it a mancave product.. the fact that you can use it with an ipod touch/ipad means that pretty much anyone can use it. Most will consider it more of a jukebox until the resident computer expert can add more songs to it.
Does the ipod touch/ipad app use the file names or the tags to create list of music?
Well this is the answer to my prayers. Finally an audiophile player for files that doesn't require a degree in computing to set up - great sound is all I want! I've got the BDA-1 dac so I'm half way there! James, a couple of questions: USB input to the BDA-1 limits resolution to 16/48. If I have read correctly, USB external hard drive into the BDP-1 has no limitation and can reproduce the full resolution of any file up to 24/192! Is this correct and if so, what is different about the USB between the BDA-1 and the BDP-1?
Also, will this be fully remote controllable including album art and all playlists via an iPhone or iPad? Sorry if you've already covered this.
John
Some USB music:
http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=music&content_id=9&pagestring=USB+Audio+Cards
james
James,
These look interesting but I don't see any sources on the website. I checked MusicDirect, a Cardas Dealer, but there is no mention of the USB Audio Cards.
Where can they be purchased?
Tony
I believe from Cardas direct - I have some coming to test on my BDP-1I don't see a way to order from them on their website. I will call Cardas on Monday. Their support line is open only Mon-Fri.
james
I don't see a way to order from them on their website. I will call Cardas on Monday. Their support line is open only Mon-Fri.
I spoke to a fellow named Josh on Friday at Cardas and he seemed to know what's up.
james
That's kind of cool, ...for people not comfortable downloading music. Do you know if there is any DRM , or can you copy the files off the thumb drive?
too bad that the BDA-1's (and therefore the BDP-1) milling of the frontplate looks different compared to the "first" production runs that were available :(
i wonder if the older style would be still doable?
al.
100% agreed. :cry: Are those curved left and right front plate sides standard now ?
Aramys
Yes they are the standard look now for consumer product. The Pro faceplates are different.
james
james
are any interior and/or rear panel pictures of the BDP-1 available yet - if not when do you anticipate ...
I have a unit at home - I will take a shot of the rear for you.
James
I have a unit at home - I will take a shot of the rear for you.
james
^^^^ The tone controls are missing too :cyclops:
^^^^ The tone controls are missing too :cyclops:
Yes I noticed that as well. :deadhorse:
Now Now - tell the truth about your experience with tone controls :D
James
Some USB music:
http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=music&content_id=9&pagestring=USB+Audio+Cards
james
When connecting the BDP-1 to the BDA-1 is there a preference between AES and S/PDIF?
Hi James
What type / make of sound card is used in the BDP-1 and what modifications are done to it if any
Hi James
Is this the card you use in the BDP-1
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=35077)
Do you remove connectors and/or components during modification and why did you select this card vs others ...
Nikon
I just found the ultimate storage device (http://www.etsy.com/listing/56860640/steampunk-usb-flash-drive-with-glowing) for Laundrew. Now if Bryston would only customize the BDP-1 to match...
James
Are any official pix of the rear panel and interior of the BDP-1 available
When will the new Bryston speaker cables be available
Are you considering a Bryston USB cable :o
Looks like you are having some trouble with apostrophes. Need to set the code page correctly.
Trouble with apostrophes?
james
Trouble with apostrophes?All the song titles with apostrophes are not displaying properly in your screen shot.
james
All the song titles with apostrophes are not displaying properly in your screen shot.
Yes ..it's shocking....How dare you. :flame: :banana piano: :guns: :jester: :violin:
Are the buttons the same size as on the BDA-1? :scratch:
Nap.
Hi James
Are pix of rear panel and interior available
Will the new buttons be used on BDA-1/BCD-1/BR-2 in future and if so starting when
Nikon
Hi,
These are the new buttons - the old ones are no longer available from the manufacturer.
jams
Hi James,
I mentioned this way back on page one of this thread (See Post #12 and your response #13). I guess it is what it is at this point but from my background of 23 years of involvement with electronics production I can not recall a mechanical part ever going obsolete. The new buttons are OK - no better or worse but they are different. Your customers are proud of their Bryston components and proud of the way they look and some are unhappy when new boxes have to be different. If expectations are not being met I guess we can lower our expectations.
Sorry to be such a PITA.
Tony
waaaant... WWWAAAANNNTTT!!!!
Would it be possible to trade in my 3 months old BDA-1 for the BDP-1?
waaaant... WWWAAAANNNTTT!!!!
Would it be possible to trade in my 3 months old BDA-1 for the BDP-1?
What DAC would you use instead? The BDP-1 is "just" a player.
Sorry whanafi - not sure I understand - what DAC would I use if not the BDA-1?If he trades in his DAC for the player, how does he get the output of the player to the amp?
james
If he trades in his DAC for the player, how does he get the output of the player to the amp?
Fair enough .. is there any particular reason why network storage will not be supported, technical or other? You do support MP3, not exactly the HQ playback :wink:. I was really looking forward to ditch the SB and attached BDP to BDA. While I fully support not putting wifi anywhere close there, you have already put the ethernet adapter, so may as well use it for something else rather then web server.
If he trades in his DAC for the player, how does he get the output of the player to the amp?
I would use the DAC in my CD player, the Marantz KI Pearl. It has a consideably newer version of the Cirrus DAC, the Cirrus Logic D/A – CS4398, and (sorry James) it sounds better. I have done a month of hardcore and thorough testing, and the differences are basically just minor nuances, a few are better in the Bryston, but somewhat more are better in the KI PEarl. If anyone is interested in how I did the comparisan I'll be happy to give more detail, but I am off to bed now, early day tomorrow, doing the A-Ha show here in Amsterdamn.
We are going to look at a NAS storage option going forward.
james
but I am off to bed now, early day tomorrow, doing the A-Ha show here in Amsterdamn.
Hi,
I would say about 10 minutes with 1TB - but once scanned the access to the material is very quick. But as I have said before I do not think the BDP-1 is for those folks wanting to deal with thousands of songs. It is really geared more to someone wanting to managing and listen to hundreds of songs with the highest quality possible.
Also remember we are talking about USB drives.
james
[...]One of the things I have noticed since I have been using the BDP-1 is I tend to use it more like a large CD player rather than a server. By that I mean it was kind of neat using all the intefaces on the iPod and Itouch and my computer and such but I found after a while I just wanted to turn out the lights and listen to a few songs. [...]
I like that idea of having a few of those thumb drives for different styles of music,
or the type of mood your in,excellent.
Can't imagine using a remote to scroll thru a thousand songs or more,let alone a few hundred.
I guess for background music it's fine just put her on random(not for me).
Half a dozen or so thumbdrives,now that I like :thumb:.definately would save some physical time going
thru a few cds for a couple of songs,jeez another early christmas present for the wife :lol: :o.
The Pearl's optical digital input for DAC mode only handles 96kHz max. The BDA-1 goes up to 11 (I mean 192kHz)!
:evil: @*%^^*@%$... :evil:
Damn... The BDP-1 does not have an optical out. Small glitch in my plan.
Not sure why you need the optical out but there are optical to coax converters and they are cheap
BDP-1 with BDA-1
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=36801)
james
James,
What media management program are you using to organize your library/hard disk for the BDP-1?
Hi James.
When will the BDA-1 be available in Asia?
And will you have a special package price for a BDP-1 & BDA-1 combo?
Its been a bit quite on this forum did I miss something.
Hi AGP
We started building last week so depending on when the distributor ordered you should start to see units in a few weeks. The combo idea is something we are talking about and I am thinking of a special price as you say for both.
james
It looks like your rear panel silkscreen legends for Ethernet and USB and reversed.
Steve
James,
How would one connect all four units ?
BDP-1
BDA-1
BCD-1
SP2
Hi
The BDP and the CD player (optional) would plug into the BDA.
James
Hi AGP
We started building last week so depending on when the distributor ordered you should start to see units in a few weeks. The combo idea is something we are talking about and I am thinking of a special price as you say for both.
james
Now we are talking my language! :)
James,Got it - but what about the BDA into SP2 ?
How would one connect all four units ?
BDP-1
BDA-1
BCD-1
SP2
Hi
The BDP and the CD player (optional) would plug into the BDA.
James
Would I be able to only use the BDP into SP2 via digital coax?
Thanks.
Got it - but what about the BDA into SP2 ?
Would I be able to only use the BDP into SP2 via digital coax?
Thanks.
Hi James,
Since the recommended connection from the BDP-1 to the BDA-1 is AES-EBU, does the BDP-1 come with the correct length (short) AES-EBU cable for hooking it up to the BDA-1 when they are stacked together?
Hi,
Does not come with it but we do have 110 ohm AES-EBU cables available on our website.
james
Thanks James,
Hmmm... I was hoping for a 1/4 meter cable (or whatever the minimum length would be) from the BDP-1 to the BDA-1. It seem clunky to have to use a 1 meter cable for that connection. Any chance you will be offering a custom length 110 ohm AES-EBU cable to go from the BDP-1 to the BDA-1?
uhm... What's wrong with going to your local hifi dealer?
Hi James
I placed my order for BDP-1 and 1 meter AES EBU cable today with Professional Sound
Is there a 'correct' minimum length for the digital cable or is the 1 meter length optimum
Steven
James,
did you try a USB hub in order to use 2, 3 or even more hdd with the BDA-1? if yes, any issues?
al.
Hi James,
I placed an order for the BDP-1 with my audio dealer about 2mths ago, so am hopefully near the head of the queue in oz.
Do you know when Australia is likely to receive its initial shipment?
Regards,
Scott
James,
In an earlier post I understood you to say that the BDP-1 could have either blue or green LEDs. Is that something that must be declared at original order or is it changed during setup - perhaps with a remote control code?
Tony
I received my Bryston BDP-1 on Friday. Any concerns I might have had regarding installation of this product were quickly put to rest. It took me all of about 30 minutes to get the player up and running.
The first thing you notice when unpacking the player is the included Bryston flash drive (loaded with some Chesky hi rez audio files) and the unBryston like Owner’s Manual.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38312)
Very nice touches!
I have been listening to digital audio files for some time now having purchased an Olive 04HD Music Server about a year ago. I was anxious to see (or hear) how the Bryston BDP-1 stacked up against the Olive player. Since inception I have used the Olive player with my Bryston BDA-1, so if the players sound different, it’s not due to the digital-to-analog conversion. However, I have always used the Olive player to rip FLAC files from my CDs. For the Bryston, I used the dBpoweramp CD Ripper. For those not familiar with the dBpoweramp CD Ripper, I highly recommend it. Very impressive software.
I don’t really understand Music Player Daemon (MPD) and its related applications. Sounds overly complicated to me. However, the Bryston web apps are easy to understand and use. I installed the Bryston-MINI app on my iPhone and the Bryston-MAX app on my iPad.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38313)
I doubt anyone will have any problems understanding how to use these apps.
So how did the Bryston BDP-1 compare to the Olive 04HD? Although I have never been completely satisfied with the Olive player, I have always felt it sounded better than any CD player I had heard, including unfortunately my Bryston BCD-1.
It was obvious to me after listening to just one track that the Bryston BDP-1 had a much richer and more full-bodied sound. Heightened detail and resolution give the Bryston player a more transparent and focused sound. I can honestly say that I am very pleased with this purchase and I highly recommend it to others.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38314)
Associated equipment used to make comparisons: Bryston BDA-1 DAC, Bryston SP-2 preamp, Bryston 28B-SSTr2 amps, Revel Ultima Studio2 speakers, Shunyata Hydra V-Ray II & Model 2 power conditioners, Shunyata Python CX power cables, Kimber Select KS 2120 AES-EBU digital cable, Kimber Select KS 1016 & 1116 interconnects, Kimber BiFocal XL speaker cables, Finite Elemente Pagode Master Reference rack and amp stands.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38315)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38316)
Why is it necessary to quote and re-post all of the photos of the previous post just to say "nice setup"?
GaryL - nice setup.
Congrats on the BDP-1 Gary and thanks for the review. Nice system :thumb:
James - shouldn't reviews of the BDP-1 be moved into a new BDP-1 thread instead of the "Sneak Peak" thread since the BDP-1 is available now?
So are we a go here now on the BDP1?
Hi Lorne - you mean are we shipping units?
james
Yes is it a finished product? Are we done here now for the wait? can i go down and listen to one at Puls?. That kind of thing
Why is it necessary to quote and re-post all of the photos of the previous post just to say "nice setup"?
GaryL - nice setup.
Steve
James,
is it easy to take off a 19" faceplate of a BDP-1? can it be done by the customer?
are the 17" and 19" faceplates of the same thickness?
al.
James...? :green:
al.
Hi everyone,
No pun intended, but is there anything the BDP-1 can do, or does better than the new UD 7004 http://us.marantz.com/Products/3298.asp.
A Bryston machine lover as I am, this machine seems to have it lined up. Usability, versatility, quality?
Greetings,
Marius
I have not had a chance to look at it in detail Marius but it looks like it is limited to 96K playback?
Ulitmately you would have to listen and decide for yourself of course. :D
james
Yes - from what I've read it is limited to 96k
well no: Linear PCM signals with a sampling frequency of 32kHz, 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 64kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 176.4kHz, or 192kHz can be input into this device.
to be read in : http://us.marantz.com/NA7004_U_EN_UG_v00.pdf (http://us.marantz.com/NA7004_U_EN_UG_v00.pdf)
James, have you done testing on sound quality of the luddite (no network) vs propeller head (connected to network) options? Have you observed any audible degradation in SQ or measurable increases in noise once you plug into the network. I really don't want to drag my modem and router into the living room, although I do have an iPad and I would enjoy the option of searching through album art etc while sitting on the couch.
Thanks, Al
When a disc volume (USB hard-drive or thumb-drive) is connected to the BDP-1 Digital Player we are transferring raw digital computer data and not streaming audio from that drive. In other words, we are extracting digital bits without any worry over file corruption or inducement of "jitter" to the file.
We are processing “Raw Digital Data” at the USB input on the BDP-1 and sending it through a buffer to the internal CPU. We are not streaming Audio Class 1 or Class 2. By the way, the concern and discussions you hear about regarding asynchronous versus synchronous with USB inputs has to do with the use of the USB to stream audio class one or two from a Source to a DAC. These concerns do not have any effect on the use of USB to transfer data from a storage device, thumb drive or hard drive, to the CPU over the USB bus like in the Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player.
Hi Nick,
I will ask the software guys to expand on that for you.
We were just discussing today about posting the source code. I believe it is mandatory - correct? Also is there a specific place where you would recommend we post the code?
Hi Nick,
From engineering:
Hello
Essentially what James is trying to get at, is the BDP-1 doesn't act as a midi device like the BDA-1 does and that the files aren't streamed over the network, but from a usb drive plugged into the bdp-1 preventing latency ("jitters").
We do plan to release a copy of the BDP-1's firmware on sourceforge with instructions on how to modify it. However before doing this we are taking the time to create a copy of the firmware that will work with many sounds cards and not with just the modified sound card found in the BDP-1 before releasing it to the public.
Chris Rice
Linux Engineer Bryston Ltd
James,
Any plans for a version of the BDP1 specifically for people who have just a USB DAC? Something like the PC Engines Alix 2d2/3d2 - MPD - Voyage Linux combo I've been using for years now? It's be very nice with the custom keypad and VFD display.
Nick
Hi Nick - more info please - with pictures if possible?
james
I'd really like to see a Bryston digital transport based on MPD but for USB DAC's. I have an Ayre QB-9.The Wavelength based async products (including Ayre QB9) can go 24/192, via USB Audio Class 2 on Mac OSX 10.6.4 or Windows Thesycon driver with the right upgrade board. I sure wish my BDA-1 offered that upgrade (hint - see XMOS USB design).
Nick
Hi Nick - I am not all that familiar with the QB9 but aren't those types of USB asynchonous products limited to 96/24?
james
The Wavelength based async products (including Ayre QB9) can go 24/192, via USB Audio Class 2 on Mac OSX 10.6.4 or Windows Thesycon driver with the right upgrade board. I sure wish my BDA-1 offered that upgrade (hint - see XMOS USB design).
I'd really like to see a Bryston digital transport based on MPD but for USB DAC's. I have an Ayre QB-9.
Nick
Hi Nick - I am not all that familiar with the QB9 but aren't those types of USB asynchonous products limited to 96/24?
James,
In an earlier post I understood you to say that the BDP-1 could have either blue or green LEDs. Is that something that must be declared at original order or is it changed during setup - perhaps with a remote control code?
Tony
James,
Your response was that green or blue had to be ordered. I spoke with a dealer today that has some limited stock already but they were not aware of the green/blue LED option. What is the default color and does Bryston expect that an order would specify an LED color?
Tony
Thanks -- the standard works for me. I wanted to be sure that I got the green to match the other Bryston units. I am getting ready to pull the trigger on my order for the BDP-1.
Tony
Hi James.
Just had a chat with my dealer about ordering the BDP-1 & BDA-1 for January :drool:
I mentioned the talk on here about a possible package deal. He mentioned that he has not heard anything from Bryston still.
Are we close to a call on this?
Any savings on this I can put towards the 4B SST2 that I am hoping to get as well, Looking forward to my birthday gift in January. :D
a question for all the happy BDP-1 owners:
does the BDP indicates the sample rate of the current played song?
al.
Hi al,
It does on the (BDA-1) DAC it is connected to if the feature is there on the DAC. On the Bryston MAX interface it shows the Sample Rate and the Type of File being played.
james
...one more question, James-
the BDA-1's display won't show the sampling rate, correct?!?
al.
Hi Vipers
1. Yes the memory stick was only suppose to be in the first 100 units but we have increased it to 200 units.
2. The Mini and Max interface is built into the internal software in the BDP-1 so any device that can see a webbrowser can communicate with the BDP. There are also terrific third party free APPs like MPOD (iTouch iPhone iPad) and MINION (with Firefox) on desktop size screens that work great as well.
3. Great question and I think I prefer flash drives (thumb drives) at this point. I have not tried any of the new solid state drives yet but we are thinking if we offer a dedicated NAS drive for the BDP-1 going forward we may do it using solid state drives.
James
Hi Vipers,
I have tried a short 4 inch AES-EBU and a 1M BNC to BNC with good results. The advantage of AES-EBU to AES-EBU is you have a fully balanced signal and twice the voltage swing.
james
Thanks James, for now I'll probably just go BNC and in the new year swap over all my phono's to XLR's and then go AES aswell, would you be able to ship Bryston XLR's and AES cables to the UK when I'm ready or do you know if PMC stock them?
Cheers.
I do not think PMC stocks them.
james
Correct - the display shows the song and artist during playback and by using the front panel buttons the version of software, the Mac address, the IP address and shows the sequence on boot up.
James
Hi VipersHi James,
1. Yes the memory stick was only suppose to be in the first 100 units but we have increased it to 200 units.
2. The Mini and Max interface is built into the internal software in the BDP-1 so any device that can see a webbrowser can communicate with the BDP. There are also terrific third party free APPs like MPOD (iTouch iPhone iPad) and MINION (with Firefox) on desktop size screens that work great as well.
3. Great question and I think I prefer flash drives (thumb drives) at this point. I have not tried any of the new solid state drives yet but we are thinking if we offer a dedicated NAS drive for the BDP-1 going forward we may do it using solid state drives.
James
Hi James,
My first post in this forum, but I've been following the thread for quite a while and indeed ordered a BDP-1 a couple of weeks ago (but still waiting for a confirmed delivery date from PMC/Reseller). Anyway, you have mentioned the possibility of a "NAS drive" for the BDP-1 a few times now, I am very interested in this, can you please elaborate further. Is this expected to be a connected USB drive that is visible on the network (SAMBA sharing), or something more.
Thanks in advance for any information and thoughts that you care to share.
Regards
Russell
From the photo you posted of the BDP1 innards, it looks like you're using a PC Engines Alix 1d Geode motherboard. Can I assume you're using Voyage Linux as well?
Nick
Hi Russell,James,
We are still discussing it so we are open to ideas.
james
James
Is this the board used in the BDP-1 (sorry for large image :o) and is it modified by Bryston
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38983)
Hi Russell
Yes we have discussed the idea of the BDP becoming a NAS and I have experimented with transferring files over the network with good results so far. As long as the destination drive is formatted FAT.
A NTSF destination drive is an issue because Windows is so protective of it (read/write). Transfering from a NTSF to a FAT drive over the network is not a problem. Most USB flash drives are pre formatted FAT and of course you can re-format a USB NTFS hard-drive easily if your going to connect it to the BDP-1.
James
Kids, this is why you need to go to school. Unless you want to be a dummy all your life! :scratch:
Can you elaborate on that comment?
Can you elaborate on that comment?
It's a spoof on Howie Meeker a Canadian hockey analyst from 1970 -'80, affectionately known as Howie Squeaker, who gave in-depth hockey analysis during intermission to the watching TV audience.
The BDP-1 innards are beyond Howie Meeker to analyze(and myself), so this is the kind a thing he would say to his TV audience.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38983)
Kids, this is why you need to go to school. Unless you want to be a dummy all your life! :scratch:
Hi nikon
Looks like it - will check with engineering. We remove the video, bypass the on board sound circuits and we alter the CMOS settings and of course write the software for the flashcard.
James
Hi James
Couple questions;
Do you add/remove any components to/from the board or modify traces or add jumpers
Also, is the USB drive supplied with the initial shipments of BDP-1 a Luxor unit or another brand
Sorry for being nosey :o
Nikon
Current software already has the above feature and yes going forward we will offer online updates as we add more freatures.That's great James, thanks.
I will check on the ExFat question.
james
That's great James, thanks.
Any news on the ExFat format compatibility... I ask because I will need to reformat/recopy my HDD which currently uses NTFS and I would prefer to use ExFat (Fat64) if at all possible.
Regards
Russell
Hi James
Any word/update from the powers-that-be regarding package pricing for BDP-1/BDA-1 :wink:
Steven
Putting aside the $$ issue, what is the current wait time for a BDP-1?
James, will this play with the BDP-1?
(http://)
Nap. :green:
Be about 3-4 weeks from order.
james
Audio only :D
Cover to cover? Man, that must have taken some time to compile!
650+ Issues / 100,000+ Pages / $300
Steve
Cover to cover? Man, that must have taken some time to compile!
Hi James
Is the USB drive shipped with the first BDP-1's similar to the following
http://www.customflashdrives.net/flash-drives/organic/pedaltothemetal/
Will Bryston be offering the USB drive under Bryston stuff
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=39293)
James,
is there a Bryston-App ready for download in order to use ut with iphone, ipod, ipad?
James,
is there a Bryston-App ready for download in order to use ut with iphone, ipod, ipad?
al.
ok, thanx Paramedic & James.
^^^^^^^^^^
Hi Tom,
I will ask the software guy - I guess anything is do-able but it would also mean a backboard and output circuit board change as well I assume.
james
I wouldn't think there would be any hardware change though there may be confusion on whether the USB port is for storage or output to DAC.
James,
any chance to see the BDP-1's manual at the Bryston website soon?
al.
James, I just learned about this new offering while I was researching your dac . So I just finished reading the thread and you said Blue Leds could be a special order Option. Can I get the same option on the dac as well? If not I would settle for the Green so both units would match. Thanks Gary
I would go with Green - we are having issues sourcing Blue for the DAC?
james
Hi Al
No the BDP-1 can play any number of songs. It just takes longer to load a T-BIT drive over say a 16-G thumb drive which takes a few seconds. Once the USB drive is loaded it stays loaded and you can access the song lists very quickly through whatever interface your using - mPod, iPad, iTouch, iPhone your computer, minion etc. or Bryston web interface.
I realize some people want to play with thousands of files at a time but I think most will use the BDP-1 as I do.
For instance I have a 500G USB hardrive connected to the back of the BDP-1 and it has about 5000 songs on it. Then I have about 10 Thumbdrives with different material - a Jazz one, a Classical one, a top 25 favorites etc. which I use from night to night depending on my mood.
One of the things I have noticed since I have been using the BDP-1 is I tend to use it more like a large CD player rather than a server. By that I mean it was kind of neat using all the intefaces on the iPod and Itouch and my computer and such but I found after a while I just wanted to turn out the lights and listen to a few songs. So I found myself turning off the large and brightly lit interfaces and just using the BR2 remote with the BDP-1 and some thumbdrives and just advancing through my playlists using the Bryston BR2 remote in the dark and sipping my wine- but hey that's me!
james
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hi,
The BR-2 will forward / reverse etc. once you're within a specfic playlist. So if the playlist has 10 songs or 500 songs it will work accordingly.
If you have say 3 Thumbdrives loaded (EX: Beatles, James Favorites, and Show Demo) and you want to play all of them and their complete contents then you would simply hit PLAY on the front panel or the BR-2 remote when the front panel display says "USB".
If you want to play only 1 of the 3 Thumbdrives loaded then you would load the specfic Thumbdrive (Show Demo) then hit PLAY.
james
According to the BDP-1 page on the Bryston website, it "can play all high resolution FLAC, WAVE and AIFF files up to and including native 192/24 bit files as well as Apple Lossless (m4a), WMP and MP3".Steve,Thanks I guess AIFF will be the easiest for me. External HD space is cheap. Anyone know how many minutes of play a32GB thumb drive can hold If AIFF codec is used?Thanks Gary
iTunes does not natively support FLAC, so you would need to use a third party conversion program to convert FLAC files to ALAC or AIFF.
Steve
External HD space is cheap. Anyone know how many minutes of play a 32GB thumb drive can hold If AIFF codec is used?
Steve Awesome just what I was looking for.Thanks Gary
16-bit/44.1KHz uncompressed stereo audio (AIFF or WAV) uses a little over 10MB/min, so a 32GB drive will hold > 3000 minutes or > 50 hours.
Steve
James
Which of the LEDs on the DAC would be blue on special order:
Sample Rate
Input Selected
Standby
Hi,
sorry, but I cannot find BDP manual on Bryston site. I am not yet BDP owner, but would like to take a look into manual.
James, is it possible to download .pdf from some location?
Thanks a lot,
Oz
James,
I've sent you an email.
thanks,
Oz
James,
any measurements done by Bryston regarding the BDP-1's jitter at the AES/EBU & BNC output?
al.
The jitter will be determined by the DAC you use.Actually, the transport is a major contributor unless it has been re-clocked by the DAC or an external reference. That said, the ESI Juli@ card in there is very, very good, probably made even better by Bryston linear supplies and attention to all of the details :thumb:
james
James, shouldn't this move as well?
Bryston BDP-1 (Bryston Digital Player)
Moving forward we are going to look at the possibility of integrating a NAS (network attached storage) drive to the BDP-1 so the network would ‘find’ the NAS drive instantly on the network when connected.
Hi James,
I can not find the latest on this one. Can or can't the BDP-1 see a NAS?
Marius
No - sorry - Marius I think there are just too many issues wirth the BDP-1 for you. Do you not think a NAS with a more traditional computer setup would be the better choice for you?
james
Well, James, I don't know.
I wish to buy the BDP BDA combo because of the absolute quality of sound and build, no discussion about that.
Only issue I have is this: In the beginning I wanted the BDA to have a USB 2 port to enable hirez playback through that port and connect PC/MAc/Nas (indeed streaming anything, from internet radio, locally stored files in an pc/mac, or whatever hirez source comes out of my pc.mac). Sadly the BDA does not have a USB2 and you frequently make clear it wont in the future because Bryston's philosophy is it is better to play files through the BDP-1. Ok, I follow that and I certainly will, but am then left with the problem that the BDP-1 does not connect to a NAS either. The technique of having several HDD's is too complex, unhandy and user-unfriendly to me.
Buying the two machines gives me ultimate playback on digital files. But it seems to me that it is perfection of a system that in it self should be changing also. It now still is indeed what you explain it to be: a cd-player of usb-stored files. A unique and very fine one.
The whole process of ripping cd's, storing them automatically on a NAs and playing from a Nas is left out of your Bryston setup.
Is Bryston going to work on that too?
Just to be clear: I am not looking for the Swiss armyknife you often referr to. I simply have my hopes up for Bryston to enter that part of modern and computer assisted music-handling. Paradigm change is needed?
Thanks for your thoughts,
Marius
Well, James, I don't know.
I wish to buy the BDP BDA combo because of the absolute quality of sound and build, no discussion about that.
Only issue I have is this: In the beginning I wanted the BDA to have a USB 2 port to enable hirez playback through that port and connect PC/MAc/Nas (indeed streaming anything, from internet radio, locally stored files in an pc/mac, or whatever hirez source comes out of my pc.mac). Sadly the BDA does not have a USB2 and you frequently make clear it wont in the future because Bryston's philosophy is it is better to play files through the BDP-1. Ok, I follow that and I certainly will, but am then left with the problem that the BDP-1 does not connect to a NAS either. The technique of having several HDD's is too complex, unhandy and user-unfriendly to me.
Buying the two machines gives me ultimate playback on digital files. But it seems to me that it is perfection of a system that in it self should be changing also. It now still is indeed what you explain it to be: a cd-player of usb-stored files. A unique and very fine one.
The whole process of ripping cd's, storing them automatically on a NAs and playing from a Nas is left out of your Bryston setup.
Is Bryston going to work on that too?
Just to be clear: I am not looking for the Swiss armyknife you often referr to. I simply have my hopes up for Bryston to enter that part of modern and computer assisted music-handling. Paradigm change is needed?
Thanks for your thoughts,
Marius
Hi Marius,
Granted the BDP-1 was designed as a unique product relative to the way most others are doing it but we felt it provided better performance. We will certainly look at adding additional features going forward but not if they compromise performance. Just look at the measurements in Stereophile - Bit and Depth Perfect all the way to 192/24 in a plug a play component and distortion below the measuring threshold of the best measuring gear in the world :thumb:
james
Hi Marius
I would certainly look at Software additions to the BDP-1 rather than a new and different product. Example would be the dedicated nas drive we are playing around with now or a chassis that would take 4 plug in 2.5 USB drives and attach to the BDP.
The nice thing about the BDP is the hardware side is superb and there is room to experiment going forward with additional features.
James
Hi Og,
I have been experimenting at home this weekend and if you want to be on the network then the BDP-1 should work well with any USB drive (that is physically attached to the BDP-1) and has a good interface like Minion or Mpod. If you want to use the front panel display then I think limiting yourself to a thumbdrive makes more sense given the file management issues. We are working on a ‘Bryston interface’ for the larger computer screens and the itouch as well. The Bryston BR-2 remote works well as a simple forward or back or stop or pause function if your moving through the files one at a time while listening.
I think the issue here is that this is not a product designed for thousands of music files and the management of such. it is really much more applicable to someone wanting to listen to and have access to hundreds of files rather than thousands.
I have to say though that this product sounds superb. I am getting terrific resolution and transient response and hearing subtle details I was not as aware of before – really happy with the performance so far!
Here's a shot of the unit at home in soundroom 1.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=33459)
James