Mrs. Ninja's RMAF 2012 Coverage

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Mrs. Ninja

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Mrs. Ninja's RMAF 2012 Coverage
« on: 23 Oct 2012, 11:45 pm »
Saturday we started in the GR Research room with Danny Richie and Serenity Acoustics’ new Super-7. At $20K/pair they are not the price tag of the kits Danny sells but since you don’t have to build cabinets or put anything together yourself… To me they look like a larger Super V so I don’t love how they look but they do sound great. Especially if you like the Danny Ritchie sound profile. During song one, Alison Krauss' It Doesn't Matter was so realistic, and since I have heard it live I can say it was very true to life. Second song was so clear you could hear the very air between the notes - almost like you could hear the dust in the air of the studio where they were recording the song. Dodd Audio provided their little tubed battery powered amps and PI Audio brought the Uberbus for the Subs (only thing not on battery powered) along with Electra Speaker Cables, and Supra Interconnects. Plus, they really know room treatments - something other rooms never seem to fully understand as much as the guys.


-- Serenity Acoustics Super-7 --


-- PI Audio Room Treatments --


-- Dodd Audio battery Tube Amps --


-- PI Audio Uberbus and Electra Cables --

More fun stuff in the GR Research Room:







Next up, one of my favorite rooms - German Physiks. They had the Unlimited MkII at $9,950/pair. These omni-directional speakers with a carbon fiber cone should do no wrong but I was getting tired listening to them. These look awful too… so disappointing the HRS120s aren’t here. I always am talking about source material and the boring stuff played at these shows and walking in this room it was exactly what I hate about these shows. But then they put on some Elvis; however the source material was a burned CD so it was not ideal. Additionally I was sitting in a rather large bass null.  I had to walk around the room to find the bass!  This is supposed to be omni people. Then Pink Floyd’s Money was better but by this third song I was sick of hearing these and the top end started to make my head scream in pain. What a huge disappointment for a company for the past two years I have loved.  To fall so far with me fleeing the room in pain.


-- German Physiks Unlimited MkII --

Compact Reference at $45K/pair with stands is ridiculous, especially when they are not the greatest I’ve heard - or have the best finish or design. The room at least had some room treatments; including bass traps and were willing to play some music outside the elevator. Angel Mine by the Cowboy Junkies is something I would really play but it overloaded the room. These need more treatments or to be in a larger room. The Black Bird rendition showed the clarity of notes with the bass and drums but not a great way to showcase the ease of listening of this speaker. The song I didn’t know of a lady singing did show the speakers best features but if you are only going to play ladies high voices these are not for you. The $5k/pair Pioneers also present handled the room better. They have the same beryllium tweeter, along with a Magnesium mid-range, and carbon fiber woofer – all at a much better price.


-- TAD Compact Reference (Left) Pioneers (Right) --

Would you mind if I say how much I love the Sound Scape 8’s by Salk Sound in Pepperwood Burl?  The amazing veneer work is so beautiful it makes me want to cry. These are works of art and what everyone should strive for if they are worried about the WAF. The Star Wars soundtrack was playing as we started our demo showing how these could easily be used for Home Theater as well as 2-channel listening.  They easily fill the room, even off-axis, there is no degradation. With Dennis Murphy’s crossover design powering these monsters so well, there was not a bad spot in the room. This was all in a large room and these speakers need space so I do not recommend them for very small spaces.  Starting out at $8k/pair and going up to $12k/pair for the Pepperwood burl finish plus any additional add-ons you want to get strait from Salk is money well spent IMO. These are one of my favorites of the show this year.


-- Salk Sound Scape 8 --

On to the KT Audio Imports Room (first off I hate the name cause I would never remember it and it so sterile). Neither here nor there, they did have Making Movies by Dire Straits on vinyl playing on a Triangle Art Reference turntable at $16,500 (YEA!) but it seemed to me the Nebula loudspeakers at $65,000/pair did not live up to their potential. Powered by the NAT Audio Magma Monoblock Amplifiers at $44,990 each look amazing but I mean with so much money in this room I should be writing that this is THE room of the show. First off they should have spent some money on room treatments.  Romeo and Juliet began and it lay there like a bucket of dead chickens in the middle of the room; completely uninvolving. Analog should be warm but the playback was flat and the speakers were not dynamic in the least. The bass didn't hit me in the chest. No twinge from the top end and it seems you could almost miss the speakers in the room altogether. Do these need more time or maybe some Skiing Ninja love to get better?


-- NAT Audio Magma Monoblock --


-- KT Audio Imports Nebula --

The Odyssey Kisnet Reference Monitors at $3500/pair plus $400 for the stands (ridiculous) made the top of my head hurt.  The owner of Odyssey compared his speakers to the TAD’s so the price should be great for what you get.  Unfortunately, what we have here is complete listening fatigue.  My friend Chris did purchase the GIK room treatments they had in the room so gotta say props to that. Unlike Trenner & Friedl Pharoah which are aesthetically yuck and are $12,500/pair!  I suppose if WAF is what you are worried about these are a small footprint but a plain box that is plain ugly.


-- Odyssey Kisnet Reference Monitors --


-- Trenner & Friedl Pharoah --

Continued in next post...

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« Reply #1 on: 23 Oct 2012, 11:45 pm »
Another favorite of the show this year was the MBL room with their 101E’s. I know my omni-directional love is just a little overwhelming at times but in the past few years I really haven’t paid MBL a ton of attention - at least not like I did this year. Maybe because this year they played awesome music and moved away from the operatic crap/old man stuff they played in past years that I have ridiculed them for so it held my attention. They started off with a little Smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana and then a choir rendition of Metalica’s Nothing Else Matters.  They rounded the set with some Blacklight Syndrome. Props for good music this year people! These speakers recreate the experience of live music so well you sit back and you cannot tell it is a speaker in the room because you can move around the room and the music surrounds you always. The bass hit nicely during Blacklight Syndrome. One downside to these unlike my true omni’s of years past is they have a section on the rear that juts out making them not as easy to place in the middle of the room.  However they do throw sound as though they should be able to be. There is no bad spot they look like great art creating a conversation piece in anyone’s home. I know I want a pair in mine but at $70,500/pair I won’t be getting them anytime soon.


-- MBL 101E without cage --

Angel City Audio, makers of the Trinity series of loudspeakers and distributor of Melody electronics, love me (thanks Tim) so they play great music when I come in. This great music was being piped into the Trinity LR’s at $2799/pair without stands. The room had some treatments so that helped but these speakers really needed to be placed better in the room. I don’t think I have addressed this before. Besides just room treatments and playing better music, how you set up your system is critical and where you place your speakers in the room makes the room part of the speakers. With Fleetwood Mac and Dire Straits, the sounds changed a lot when moving off-axis. You lose the second speaker when you are anywhere near the other. The sweet spot was really the only place to listen the way these speakers were set up. Next up was Beatles USSR and the Stereoing on this recording worked really well here but the bass was lost and there was no movement in the air during the song. No intensity with a song like this; the music was flat.


-- Angel City Audio Trinity --


-- Melody Electronics --

Evolution Acoustic / Playback Designs did master tape vs a first recording off their equipment in an A/B which was really neat. The Reference 2-way monitors are super and with this kind of source material they really shine. So clean, they pop with every note and space. Voices are clear and clean with a large depth of field. The recording seemed to lose very little though it didn’t seem as enveloping. If I had not heard the master first as an A/B, you would not be able to tell. Bonus for this room’s use of non-conference type music played at demo, showing how one would really use in an “in home” setting. The speakers held up perfectly, something I would play in my house and a show favorite. At $2500/pair with stands not the cheapest bookshelf but tasty.


-- Playback Design --


-- Evolution Acoustic --

Sunday was a very busy day with buying new vinyl in the vendor area and then starting in the Laufner Tehnik room to hear a new Leonardo Ribbon Planar from Italy with a price tag of (only) $65k/pair. Historically ribbon planar speakers are not my forte’ and I was of course disappointed the large German Physiks were not in the room. Pushing these large thin pillars were some awesome looking tube amps by Audio Power Labs coming in at $175K/pair. I don’t know about the $2300 dish in the room that was used as room treatment tweek that I never caught the name of however. A rendition of Lou Reed’s Walk on the Wild Side started my demo and it was too harsh for me. A complaint a lot of people who do not like Ribbon Planar speaker usually have is they tend to be tinny. I think putting those amazing tube amps on them helps warm them up on a song that has a lot of harsh highs. Song number two could have really hurt the top end.  Maybe High End Novum’s PMR (Passiver-Multivokal-Resonator) is doing its job of balancing out the higher frequencies that I find hard to handle with these types of speakers.  In this set up, I had no problem. These speakers were not fatiguing as I usually find them. The sound was clean. Song number three was booming and I could feel the tympanis hit in my chest like I would expect with a speaker with big subwoofers in it but this did it on its own. Walking around the room, they could really have used some more treatments; there were some dead spots in corners and next to the speakers. The area in front (the sweet spot) was really only space where the sound was excellent. With how much money was in this room adding in the Memory Player 64 that allows you to input your source material and scrub it clean whose purpose is to create better playback and at $14,900, that pushes this system into the over $250k range  It is not a starter system but these are the best Ribbon Planar speakers I have ever heard - and the most beautiful amps to strive for.


-- Leonardo Ribbon Planar --


-- Audio Power Labs Tube Amps --


-- High End Novum’s PMR (Passiver-Multivokal-Resonator) --

Next we have Von Schweikert’s VR44 at $24,995/pair being run off some Jolida tube amps and United Home Audio’s Reel to Reel.  The playback from the system makes clean and clear sound with a big stage. Too bad I can’t stand how these look with the stupid big V on the front and that is a WAF issue if I ever saw one. Musically they fill the big room they were in and you too will need a big room for these monsters. These are very popular speakers however they are not exactly my cup of tea; they are harsh and grating, as well as very brash.  This is all fixable so I wish they would do it or let someone else do it (shameless self promotion). I could not listen for a long time because my ears would start to bleed. Von Schweikert has made speakers I have liked, these just are not them. Try again next year guys.


-- Von Schweikert’s VR44 --




-- Pimped United Home Audio’s Reel to Reel --

Next room was Vivid Audio K1 speakers at only $25k/pair powered by Luxman with a bunch of bells and whistles from Tweek Geek. The speakers have woofers on both baffles (front and back).  These four drivers are internally coupled in pairs via screw tensioning units for reaction cancelling. In the song Time after Time, I found the speakers too soft, too loose and very sloppy with the space between notes. These are very relaxed and good for those who want a really easy listening speaker that they won’t really push. Song three was the Funky Butt Drum Club that did push the speakers and got some air moving in the room but it starts to get tinny then and the top end is irritating and the bass is too quick to overload the room. These are not meant to be pushed to limits; they are meant more to ride along nice and easy like a old Cadillac.


-- Vivid Audio K1 --



Bob Carvers good looking line sources of 13 ribbon tweeters in front and 11 mid-range on each side creating a quasi omni-directional effect and joining the ranks of just under $20k/pair. For speakers this size they need to be in a bigger room and it needed to have treatments on the walls, corners, everywhere. On the positive side while listening to a little Stevie Ray Vaughn it was easy to have that true to live feel the designers were going for.  Like any line source you gotta keep your distance because too close creates nulls in your response and here is no exception. Take my advice boys; go for a bigger room next year.





Legacy Aeris in Copper Ostrich finish at only $16,900/pair are my last favorites of the show. I don’t even know why Legacy brought other speakers to show like the Focus SE because compared to the Aeris the rest all suck. Aside from the Salk veneer these are awesomely beautiful. They have a nice warm sound that fills the room and hits you nicely in the sweet spot and off-axis. With the right room this could be an easy household speaker to have while you move about in your space. These evoked emotion making them another show favorite. A good demo but could have been better with some room treatments to make these babies shine along with some killer source material and these would be the talk of the show.


-- Legacy Aeris --


-- Copper Ostrich Finish --

To wrap up the end of show on Sunday, we visit GR Research again because rooms always change over the weekend and this room in particular I have found usually sounds its best Sunday at the end of the show. Thank you Dave for changing the music when I came in to something more lively. Song one was a Lean on Me rendition and you could hear the clarity between notes. The silence between notes was deafening. You get so much from the empty spaces as from the notes these speakers produce. Danny does such a great job on his off-axis response, you don’t notice the speakers when moving across the sound stage. Song two’s top end is easy on my head for a song with lots of horns and the bass never overloads the room. A lot of thanks to the whole gang with how well they treat the room and pull it all together.



I have to say that this year was not a rave year for me at the show. It was great to see TONE Audio have a room and celebrate their 10 years in the business and have cake with Jeff. It was nice seeing all my friends from all over the world who come in for this show but it seems it is getting smaller every year. Companies are not bringing their biggest and best, really trying to out-do each other like in the first few years of the show. I doesn’t seem like the people at the show are not enjoying themselves as much as in years past either. I’m not saying the show isn’t fun, it always is. I’m just saying that in years past I have been more impressed with systems, had great after parties, huge dinners out with friends from all over the world and did lots of business. We may blame the economy for our bad year(s) but this is a luxury industry and people will always find a way to pay for their hobbies. Those with the means still have them.  If we don’t keep the industry going with new blood, new ideas, and a ignited passion of years ago I can see this show and lots like it going away in the next few years. No one seems to really want to have this hard conversation about our dying breed but one day soon it will no longer be avoidable.


Mrs. Ninja


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Re: Mrs. Ninja's RMAF 2012 Coverage
« Reply #2 on: 24 Oct 2012, 12:13 am »
Sounds like those Evolution Acoustic speaks are an excellent value.  Can you tell we readers more about your impressions?   Thanks.  Nice work, Mrs N.

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« Reply #3 on: 24 Oct 2012, 01:05 am »
Blame it on the room constraints or my annual income, the Von Schweikert room along with most of the other large, >$20k multi-ways looked and sounded like hifi parody. I just couldn't take them seriously, even as some kind of dream car.  Agree with you about the German Physiks. I have no experience with omni and geez what a first impression.

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« Reply #4 on: 24 Oct 2012, 09:16 am »
 Nice job, it's good to have a civilian's view on the show, not a reviewers. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if Pez and Tyson count as civilians or not.

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Re: Mrs. Ninja's RMAF 2012 Coverage
« Reply #5 on: 24 Oct 2012, 02:00 pm »
Wonderful reviews!  Your show report is a work of art.  Thanks for putting in such large effort for us.  It was a fun read.

Bob

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Re: Mrs. Ninja's RMAF 2012 Coverage
« Reply #6 on: 24 Oct 2012, 03:29 pm »
interesting comments on the Odyssey since everyone else rated it so highly, even to the point of best of show.

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« Reply #7 on: 24 Oct 2012, 03:32 pm »
Hey there:

Great to see you and Mr. Ninja as always!

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« Reply #8 on: 24 Oct 2012, 03:38 pm »
not the greatest I’ve heard - or have the best finish or design.
Why are they not the best design?  What do you know about the design?  Please tell us where Andrew Jones has went wrong?

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« Reply #9 on: 24 Oct 2012, 03:42 pm »
One doesn't often find words like "suck" in show reviews, but it's quite refreshing  :thumb:

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Re: Mrs. Ninja's RMAF 2012 Coverage
« Reply #10 on: 25 Oct 2012, 08:35 pm »
Why are they not the best design?  What do you know about the design?  Please tell us where Andrew Jones has went wrong?

I was using "design" in an aesthetic use, not for the crossover design (although I do own a company that redesigns crossovers and builds some of the best upgrades in the business) or for speaker acoustic design. It was a WAF observation. Design wise they do not work for me especially as a speaker you would need a stand for. In the future I will be more specific.

When/If I ever have a chance to see inside the TADs and see the crossovers, bracing, the construction and all I will be better able to answer how I would improve the speaker design. I rarely meet a speaker I didn't have some comment on how I would put a little Ninja love into.

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« Reply #11 on: 25 Oct 2012, 09:07 pm »
I was using "design" in an aesthetic use, not for the crossover design (although I do own a company that redesigns crossovers and builds some of the best upgrades in the business) or for speaker acoustic design. It was a WAF observation. Design wise they do not work for me especially as a speaker you would need a stand for. In the future I will be more specific.

When/If I ever have a chance to see inside the TADs and see the crossovers, bracing, the construction and all I will be better able to answer how I would improve the speaker design. I rarely meet a speaker I didn't have some comment on how I would put a little Ninja love into.

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« Reply #12 on: 27 Oct 2012, 03:17 pm »
Stickied.  :thumb:

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« Reply #13 on: 27 Oct 2012, 09:42 pm »
I thought Odyssey Audio easily had the best sound at RMAF 2012. Other stand outs for me was the Vapor Sound Aurora speaker and Vienna Acoustics. High value speakers for me were the Aperion Audio Versus Grand and Emotiva speakers.

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« Reply #14 on: 28 Oct 2012, 03:09 am »
I thought Odyssey Audio easily had the best sound at RMAF 2012. Other stand outs for me was the Vapor Sound Aurora speaker and Vienna Acoustics. High value speakers for me were the Aperion Audio Versus Grand and Emotiva speakers.

I had the Odyssey room as one of my top 5 best sounds at the show. Listening to vinyl in their room was very musical and emotionally engaging--far better sound than the uber expensive Wilson VTL room. There was nothing fatiguing about the music or sound in Klaus' room.

Laura

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« Reply #15 on: 28 Oct 2012, 03:59 am »
I had the Odyssey room as one of my top 5 best sounds at the show. Listening to vinyl in their room was very musical and emotionally engaging--far better sound than the uber expensive Wilson VTL room. There was nothing fatiguing about the music or sound in Klaus' room.

Laura

Year after year, Klaus always delivers the one of the best "bang for the buck" systems at these shows but I can almost understand how a few folks might find his system a bit fatiguing as Klaus loves his rock uberloud.  :lol: So do I,,, and for the last 9 years, I have had 4 nonfatiguing Odyssey Lorelei's surrounding me, YMMV.  :rock:

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