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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Owner's Circles => Virtue Audio Owners => Topic started by: virtue on 25 Sep 2012, 04:07 am
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Friends,
We're going to do something very strange next week: launch a non-traditional speaker line.
It's strange for many reasons... among them that:
- many of our partners make speakers (and we would rather not compete with them)
- we're about to refresh our electronics line
- our warehouse is mostly shut-down
But sometimes you don't choose opportunity; opportunity chooses you.
Here's a bit of history.
As many of you know, Danny Richie was a "hired gun" for AV123 who really put their speakers on the map. When AV123 did its belly-flop, suppliers around the world were sitting on some great "Rocket" drivers and knowing how to use them right, Danny bought up excess inventory. Around the same time, our trusted supplier Jeff Keyes at Lucid Acoustics (he made all the exotic tops for Sensation/Piano) let me know that his wood-shop had extra capacity. In fact, he had started to make caskets (yes) just to keep the CNC spinning.
Despite wasting a small fortune trying to build speakers in 2005-2008 (we still have piles of drivers), I called Danny and asked if we could team up to produce something unusual that would offer a virtuous value proposition and which we could use as a vehicle for putting those drivers to work and keeping Jeff's shop busy. Jeff did not want to be in sales and Danny prefers the "arms dealer" business model to finished speakers... it would be my job to sell and warranty these things.
We had talked about line arrays before (I had prototyped a 14 driver "Alexander Grand" in 2006 and Danny liquidated our Eminence 12" drivers) and Danny was excited about the omni concept that AV123 had prototyped but failed to put into production. We settled on a 3-speaker line anchored by an unusual "omni" MtM and flanked by a more flexible bookshelf and a multi-use, acoustic suspension "center" channel having line-array dynamics. I knocked out some two-tone CAD drawings and we started refining the design.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68274)
A year later, here they are.
The line looks and sounds better than expected. They're great in piano finish but we decided to launch with black matte to keep costs down.
We're calling them "Lucid" because they're made by Jeff of Lucid Acoustics", "White" which is the color of the "rocket" cones, and then the driver configuration... Mt, MtM, and MMtMM. I might give them cooler names later on. Remember, these are mid/high-frequency speakers that trade low-end for compactness and fast mid-bass. MtM is an omni design that wants to be placed well AWAY from walls. Danny will elaborate.
Lucid White Mt and MMtMM
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68271)
Lucid White MtM
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68270)
The MMtMM has been designed for use at nearly any angle - floor, corner, under TV, ceiling, etc. although you will need to screw in serious hardware to float it off the ground. The speaker is incredibly heavy. You can buy one or two of these speakers; most people will use it as a center-channel.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68273)
Although this is very much a partnership and group-effort, they will be sold by Virtue, drop-shipped by Jeff. Customer will pay shipping. These speakers are heavy. Shipping will be expensive and by ground. Build time will be around 1 week unless otherwise noted.
Until we run out of drivers, pricing will be very aggressive. Our mutual customers have many pairs of speakers and we want to enable everyone two own at least one pair.
Center MMtMM $600/pair or $350 for one + shipping
MtM Omni $450/pair + shipping
Mt Omni $300/pair + shipping
ALSO, the first 20 customers will get 20% off. Please PM me to get a discount code to apply next week when we list the speakers for sale at http://www.virtueaudio.com.
We'll allow you to specify exotic finishes but let me say up-front, each will be a custom build and it will be expensive (around $100-$200 per speaker). Alternatively, we will sell unpainted speakers at a slight discount ($50/pair) so you can finish them yourself.
Shipping would be more expensive than the speakers themselves and these things are so heavy we cannot risk damage. So with regrets, we will not accept international orders today.
Please use this thread to ask questions for Danny (and/or Jeff). We'll post performance information below.
Seth
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More pics...
MtM with glossy finish (upcharge)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68275)
Mt with glossy finish (upcharge)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68276)
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MTM :thumb: :drool: :drool: :drool:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68275)
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We're going to do something very strange next week: launch a non-traditional speaker line.
You are full of surprises!! :thumb:
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Remind me again, what are those drivers, the speaker specifications, and what are they clones of (or sound like)?
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Good idea guys....based on the people involved, reputations they bring to the table not to mention awards they have, I bet they sound pretty darn good!!!! LOL...good luck guys....wow!!! :thumb:
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Has anyone listened to these yet? If so, how do they sound?
Also, what type of connectors are supported?
Thanks,
Scott
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They've got binding post cups to facilitate mounting against flat surfaces... standard hardware we are buying from Danny.
Danny and Jeff will comment on the sound soon...
Seth
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Can the Mt be used as surround speakers or desktop speakers. What are the dimensions?
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Dimensions?
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Here are some response curves. We'll get dimensions shortly (my CAD files are inaccessible to me at the moment). Those drivers are 5".
Mt
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68347)
MtM
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68348)
MMtMM
(to follow)
I've heard the center and it's awesome. Jeff says the other two speakers sound great. Frankly, I'm hoping several of you take a chance on these and post your impressions. If you're one of the first 20 customers and you don't like the sound, I'll pay return shipping in the first 30 days for you to send them back to us.
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Hey guys,
Here are some cool things about these speakers. The response from these presents an exceptionally balanced power response. What I mean by that is that the combination of on axis and off axis responses are extremely even. Most speakers offer a fairly reasonable on axis response, but the off axis changes drastically and is often full of holes. These speakers were designed around the off axis response more so than the on axis response and what it takes to maintain a constant phase relationship of the drivers even in the extreme off axis. The results speak for themselves. They are simply amazing. I have seen no other speakers with off axis responses this consistent.
Here are measurements of the MTM. And yes, this is an Omni type design. This is the on axis response.
(http://gr-research.com/pics/lucidmtmon%20axis.jpg)
Not counting the drop off in the top end these are about +/-2db. Yes the energy in the top octave is down a little in the on axis. Think less bright sounding. But the high frequency energy is more projected into the room. So the in room response has less high frequency energy loss than typical speakers.
Now check this out. :D Each line represents an addition 10 degrees off axis. So we are at 0 (on axis), 10, 20, 30, and 40 degrees off axis. Hardly any change in response. :thumb:
(http://gr-research.com/pics/lucidmtmhorizontal.jpg)
It gets even better. These measurements are taken also at 1 meter but with each additional measurement made by moving the microphone up 4". This shows that the speaker actually gets even smoother in the vertical off axis.
(http://gr-research.com/pics/lucidmtmvertical.jpg)
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Hi Danny,
Are the MTM Omni's intended to be used with a subwoofer(s)? How is their bass performance if used for 2-channel stereo sans sub? What is the diameter of the mid-woofer cone?
Thanks,
Harvey
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Hmmm. can you please be much more descriptive on the differences between the models (and why are they so heavy?). Also, they would look much cooler with Virtue Audio logo's. :thumb:
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What is the diameter of the mid-woofer cone?
Those drivers are 5".
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Danny,
Thanks for the great explanations! Do you have curves for the MMTMM as well? I was missing those.
Each 5" driver weighs nearly 4 lbs. It uses standard ferrite magnets, shielded.
Each MMTMM speaker weighs around 35 lbs, packed. 70 lbs per pair.
Seth
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Yes, more info is coming on the other models.
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Danny's Omni designs are no joke and I really enjoy the X-Omni's and O-3's I own. So, be interested in hearing how these sound.
Also, I don't know if I'm remembering correctly, but didn't AV123 demo the equivalent of the Mt's at a GTG in NJ about 5 years ago? Could have sworn they were used as surrounds in a system that used X-Statics, an X-Voce, and a MFW (or perhaps 2). If I'm remembering right, they sounded very good as surrounds, and had a sound that later reminded me of how my X-Omni's sound as surrounds.
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Danny's Omni designs are no joke and I really enjoy the X-Omni's and O-3's I own. So, be interested in hearing how these sound.
Also, I don't know if I'm remembering correctly, but didn't AV123 demo the equivalent of the Mt's at a GTG in NJ about 5 years ago? Could have sworn they were used as surrounds in a system that used X-Statics, an X-Voce, and a MFW (or perhaps 2). If I'm remembering right, they sounded very good as surrounds, and had a sound that later reminded me of how my X-Omni's sound as surrounds.
Ed,
You are correct they were used as rear surrounds with xstatik, x-voce and 2-mfw15 and I believe they were called x-s but my memory is fuzzy :). That is the reason for my question earlier about if they can be used for side and rear surrounds right against the wall.
Hopefully, someone (Seth/Danny/Jeff) will chime in and let us know how they will sound. There is no way I can get them out 3' from the wall for side/rear surrounds. For rear I might be able to get 12 to 18" but that is about it.
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Hmmm. can you please be much more descriptive on the differences between the models (and why are they so heavy (...)
that they cannot ship to Canada?
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You are correct they were used as rear surrounds with xstatik, x-voce and 2-mfw15 and I believe they were called x-s but my memory is fuzzy :). That is the reason for my question earlier about if they can be used for side and rear surrounds right against the wall.
Hopefully, someone (Seth/Danny/Jeff) will chime in and let us know how they will sound. There is no way I can get them out 3' from the wall for side/rear surrounds. For rear I might be able to get 12 to 18" but that is about it.
Thanks. The X-S's sound about right. And I think they sounded pretty good even though they were close to the walls.
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Here are the other dimensions:
(Mt) Mini 17lbs 13" h x 6.75" w x 11" d
(MtM) Omni 25lbs 17" h x 6.75" w x 9" d
(MMtMM) Center 32lbs 6.75" h x 26" w x 8.625" d
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Amazing off axis response. :o
How'd ya do it?
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Oh yeah, check this one out.
This is the MT. It was also designed based on the off axis response.
Here are the the responses of the woofer and tweeter individually and summed.
(http://gr-research.com/pics/lucidmtcrossover.jpg)
Now check it out in the horizontal off axis. It is smoother in the off axis than the on axis. This is 0 (dead on), 10, 20, 30, and 40 degrees off axis.
(http://gr-research.com/pics/lucidmthorizontal.jpg)
Now check out the vertical off axis. Note the tweeter level in the top end coming up as height is increased.
(http://gr-research.com/pics/lucidmtvertical.jpg)
Pretty cool huh.
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If you guys want kits (no wood), Danny is authorized to sell them to you directly. We have not finalized prices but he is starting a wait list.
He may or may not choose to simplify the CAD for home assembly. Ours are a bit nuts me thinks.
Seth
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So...still...what do these things sound like?? Comparison??
Synergy with the old Virtue amps??
:)
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which tweeter are you using and what's it like? What's the overall sound profile of the whole speaker?
What's the advantage of the mtm vs mt? Or visa versa?
What is a "rocket" driver?
How would you mate these with a sub in room, what's a good crossover point?
How do these compare to say, an N3?
What's the crossover used and what are the quality of parts there?
What's the warranty on these?
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Guys these things sound really good. And they don't cost much at all. So some of you will just have to give them a try to see how good they really sound. You won't be disappointed.
And yes, they will be easy to cross to a sub. Where to cross is almost as much a function of the room and the room gain as the -3db of the speaker an-echoic.
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How about impedance and efficiency specs?
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Guys,
Here's the 20% off discount code. I'll accept any order until the end of October with this code.
LUCID1ST20
Seth
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Seth-
Me like. I think I pre-ordered a set from the old AV123 that looks sorta like the Mini, but the woofer was on top. These look a lot better built. Omnis make the world go 'round.
James
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We shipped our first pair of Omnis on Monday and I look forward to seeing some feedback soon! They are built like tanks; that is for sure!!!!
Postage to Hawaii is subsidized by the government. Order a pair!
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Randy said that one of his came dinged - clearly dropped by Fedex.
Well, we're learning and know that the packing wasn't sufficient. They ARE heavy mo-fos.
If they were single boxed, that's not sufficient. If they were double boxed, we need triple boxing, I guess!
It's all good but confirms my reluctance to send any of the first ones overseas.
Seth
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What is a "rocket" driver?
The drivers were originally designed for the Onix Rocket series of speakers from AV123. They're pretty well known for being a high performance and high dollar value speaker in their time.
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I wish we could have gotten more info from my questions, instead of "just buy em and you let us know!". I was interested.
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Hi Dannie,
I noticed your FR graphs stop at 200hz. Could you tell us what the typical in room F3 point is for bass on these speakers? Obviously with 5" drivers they'd need a sub to fill the bottom end in, but I was wondering if they could hold their own as near field monitors in a 2.0 setup?
A humble second for sensitivity and impedance info from me as well. I'm guessing with the small drivers they are not going to be flea power friendly (SETs).
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Hi Dannie,
I noticed your FR graphs stop at 200hz. Could you tell us what the typical in room F3 point is for bass on these speakers? Obviously with 5" drivers they'd need a sub to fill the bottom end in, but I was wondering if they could hold their own as near field monitors in a 2.0 setup?
A humble second for sensitivity and impedance info from me as well. I'm guessing with the small drivers they are not going to be flea power friendly (SETs).
The MTM Omni is tuned to 52Hz. So expect good extension. F3 in room will depend as much on the room as the tuning.
The impedance is an easy load for tube amps. The MTM Omni is an 8 ohm speaker with a higher impedance rise in the lower end where current demand is high. As frequency decreases the drivers are in series. So power handling is also high. As frequency increases only the omni mounted driver plays up to the tweeters range.
In fact all of these speakers have an easy impedance load and are tube friendly.
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I received my mtm Omni last week. As Seth said, one speaker arrived dinged up inside a dented box, with a loose crossover. Despite that, the speaker played normally. I put them on 20 inch stands I happened to have on hand that fit them perfectly. They are placed about two feet from the side walls and three feet out from the wall behind them. They have plenty of room to breath, and indeed, they have an airy, clear sound. They are very neutral, uncolored, and revealing, imo. The bass is what you might expect from a stand mounted speaker of this size, but the sound is well-balanced, and I did not miss the deep bass on the recordings I listened to. In fact, I'd say you actually get surprisingly deep, and tight bass considering the size of the drivers. Overall, I like them very much. The drivers on top of the speakers certainly give them that omni illusion which is excellent and very enjoyable. You don't have to sit in a sweet spot to get the best out of these speakers. I don't pretend to be an audio reviewer, and am just stating what my impressions are, but I can recommend them highly. I slid my big floor standers into the corner and will be listening to these speakers for the foreseeable future.
I might add that the binding posts are the same propeller posts you find on the Virtue amps.
Addendum: The speakers continue to sound even better as they get some break-in. Very listenable, and a steal at the asking price. They have a rich, full sound.
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Thanks, Randy!
Another pair of the smaller Mt's went out last week.
Per RClark, very few customers so far. Hope that more people give this concept a shot. We didn't want to create something traditional to be too competitive with our partners. These are quite different in design and effect and definitely work a try as a second pair.
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Photos of the Virtue speakers in my room. The equipment is from top to bottom, Sensation 901, my Sony 5400 CDP, PS Audio GCC - 100 which I use as a preamp (I need the balance control and it adds some gain to the amp while maintaining its transparency), and then my Sony Discman powered by rechargeable battery pack from ALO Audio that I use when I want to get entirely off the grid. The speakers continue to get better each day as the break in process continues. I may have 30-40 hours on them by now but that's just a guess as I have not been keeping track. The speaker cables are from Virtue.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70087)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70088)
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We'll ship to Canada USPS.
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I just bought some speakers that I like infinity primus ... I guess I missed this deal since I already ordered them off of Amazon. :duh:
Oh well, They look nice but no specs on them as far as sensitivity. I am running them with my 9 watt T-amp. :)
So, kinda hard to pair up speakers to that amp, but I am really picky about sound ... I prefer the laid back sound that infinity has. Not really into Klipche or energy (that sound tinny) to me. I don't really care for the way Polk sounds even tho they use soft dome tweeters and are better than a horn tweeter... So... I like to hear a speaker first. that and being in hawaii I would hate to be disappointed and want to return heavy items in the mail.
I think to help others would be to see how bright or laid back type sound. Some people prefer a bright horn type speaker. Others don't. So, that might help people decide to buy them. Also how low do these go? That would have been another issue. Dunno what type of frequency for low end as I don't use sub's for my music. 40hz is enough for my taste.
Good Luck. They look great... I would have been even more intrigued had there been more specs and reviews at what type of type of sound is coming out of em.
I feel speakers are just too personal to go blindly buying them with out a quick listen.
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The measured frequency response has been posted in this thread. So the sensitivity can be seen from end to end.
I hate a bright sounding speaker and wouldn't design any with that aspect. These speakers are extremely neutral.
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Gonna recommend these to a friend who likes to walk around her apt as she listens to music.
How would you describe the difference between the MTM Omni and the Mini?
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Mine were bright sounding right out of the box, but that has pretty much disappeared with extended listening. They need break in time. The bass is fine in that I don't feel the need for a subwoofer. I love the detail they provide, and they are exceptionally neutral, as Danny says. I power them with my 40 wpc Virtue Sensation amp via batteries, and have no trouble with volume or clipping the amp.
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Are the Holistic omni's still available thru Virtue's site? They were at one time.
I been wanting an omni/radial design for the last couple months but choices, other than Ohm, aren't in my price range $3k or less or info isn't easy to come by, for instance the Dueval omni's. I haven't been to listen to the Decware omni's yet but it seems from what I've read at their site, their speakers tend to be analytical. I some how tripped upon the news that the Lucid whites were omni's but I wonder if they are up to what I'm lookin for. Of course Danny can get a lot out of very little.
But then if hte Virtue omni are really super then I could have speakers and that Mac ma6600 or the Cary six paks too.
I had to call a friend to find out how many Arabian nites there are.
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Holistic had some wicked drivers in their Omni's. But it was a DSP system that required you to use a laptop music server. What we're doing here is more modest, for many more sensible, and affordable. This is a unique speaker and an easy one to try. I'm still offering free return shipping if you don't like them within 30 days.
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Thanks, for letting me know. I like simple very, very well. I'll get a pr. when you guys get back. I have a lead on some Ohm 2xo's, in piano black. Just awaiting the Ohm folks to get back from the holidays to find out if they may have the boxes appropreate to ship them. And I'm not saying who has them, for fear someone will offer much more money than I have. :P But he's really pretty much commited or he said he is.
Harley
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What stands are those?
Photos of the Virtue speakers in my room. The equipment is from top to bottom, Sensation 901, my Sony 5400 CDP, PS Audio GCC - 100 which I use as a preamp (I need the balance control and it adds some gain to the amp while maintaining its transparency), and then my Sony Discman powered by rechargeable battery pack from ALO Audio that I use when I want to get entirely off the grid. The speakers continue to get better each day as the break in process continues. I may have 30-40 hours on them by now but that's just a guess as I have not been keeping track. The speaker cables are from Virtue.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70087)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70088)
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Holistic had some wicked drivers in their Omni's. But it was a DSP system that required you to use a laptop music server. What we're doing here is more modest, for many more sensible, and affordable. This is a unique speaker and an easy one to try. I'm still offering free return shipping if you don't like them within 30 days.
Are you still offerring the 20% discount too?
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What stands are those?
Sorry, I just don't remember the brand or where I got them. They've been in the house for a number of years. I think I found them by looking all over the internet until I found what I wanted. They are shorter than what you usually can find.
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I'll honor that 20% discount still. Whether Jeff can send them out within 1 week as he original promised me is an open question.
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I'm playing with a pair of the MTM's right now in my listening room. excuse my socks and the mess :roll:
right now they have about 30 hours on them.
I'm pushing them with my M451 and am loving it. (right now I'm using/testing a Two.2 that I repaired) tons of detail, not a hint of harshness on my Ray Brown Soular energy album or my Joe henderson So near so far album, both of which I've found to be fairly annoying on many speakers.
midrange is clean bass fairly tight and fast. they definitely have that open omni sound thanks to the midrange being up top and the woofer being in the front. Another killer design by Danny in my opinion and the price is darn good.
for those of you that dont know, I've been building my own speakers for years and I'll be keeping these in my system which says allot believe me. don't think for a second I'm biased Seth will tell you otherwise :o
30 hours in I'm impressed with the bass and my listening room is funky as heck!
18ft deep 16ft (open to dining room and kitchen) with a ceiling that slopes up from 8ft by the speakers to 12ft by my listening chair which has been quite the task to tame the "trap" but I got it to sound darn good considering the challenges.
I also tried the in my bedroom system which never gets used and found them to sound very similar with even better bass. the bedroom is 16ft deep, 18ft wide and closed in (which helped the bass).
I don't know if or when they'll be available in wood veneers but that would be cool "hint hint" :icon_twisted:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=74564)
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Jason - Nice socks.
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I think people under estimate just how good this line is, especially this model. Imaging and sound stage size is very impressive. If the public only knew...
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I think people under estimate just how good this line is, especially this model. Imaging and sound stage size is very impressive. If the public only knew...
agreed!
nice work Danny
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Jason - Nice socks.
Clean too :)
I figured I'd better look like I was lounging, not to mention we dont wear shoes in the house.
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Are the speakers available now?
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Are the speakers available now?
yes they are!
he doesnt have pictures on the website but you can see them here in the forum.
http://store.virtueaudio.com/category-s/97.htm (http://store.virtueaudio.com/category-s/97.htm)
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There was a bit about our screwy shipping calculator which I deleted. You will be charged actual shipping price if it is less than what is quoted on the site.
We just unpacked after a move down the street. I decided to park a pair of MMtMM's (we're now calling them "Axis" after the belated line-line driver line I buried in 1996).
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75260)
I'm playing through the Piano M2 prototype and a white-label XMOS usb-dac I got from China.
http://store.virtueaudio.com/product-p/virtu-lucidwhite-mmtmm-cent-1.htm
Awesome.
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I am intrigued by the mmtmm. Can anyone give any specs on these speakers, specifically bass extension and frequency response range, +/- x dB?
Also are these the same drivers? http://www.lucidacoustics.com/Proto.html Thought I saw a super expensive pair of speakers on Audiogon under the name Lucid something or other, and the drivers looked like these as well.
Thanks in advance.
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The MMTMM is about +/-1.5db (really smooth) up to 9kHz. It has a little bit of a dipped area right where one would typical associate brightness. So there is nothing glaring or offensive about these. They are very smooth and easy to listen to. Above 10kHz the tweeter has a natural dipped area, but it is not too bad.
(http://gr-research.com/pics/MMTMMresponse.jpg)
The small sealed box starts an early but very gradual roll off to help mirror image the gain one gets from having these near a wall or flush with the front of an entertainment system. -3db in room response will be in the mid to upper 80's.
Also, only the inside two woofers actually cross over to the tweeter. The two outer woofers are just rolling into the lower ranges for added bass response and power handling.
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These things rock on my desk and I do use a subwoofer to round out the lows.
I've been asked about finishes and here's the thing: there are lots of surfaces on these things and we aren't going to double the price to do real wood veneers.
These are each hand-made in the USA where time = money. It's a very acoustically functional, matte black finish for a unique and awesome product.
Jeff has started building up an inventory so I hope more people will give them a try.
The discount period is over but I will offer a money back if you would rather not keep them.
Also, if you're one of Danny's regulars, he is authorized to sell you the driver kit, enclosure dimensions, and cross-over design if you want to build your own enclosures. Jeff has tooled up the production enclosures on his CNC router and I can't offer you the production CAD files (sorry).
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I paid up-front to fill up the warehouse a bit:
Mt (2 way omni):
6 units ready to ship and can be in the mail within 24 hours of an order being placed.
4 flat pack type cut out to ship or assemble.
Mtm (3-way omni):
6 units ready to ship and can ship within 24 hours of order.
4 flat pack type cut out.
Mmt2 (Axis line array):
4 units ready to ship, 3 more assembled ready for paint and 6 flat pack types cut out.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=80932)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=80933)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=80934)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=80935)
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I'm confused. :duh: There's a price for a flatpack for the MTM. No, price for the completed speaker? I'm missing somrthing?
Thank you
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Mmm...
http://store.virtueaudio.com/category-s/97.htm
Lucid White MMtMM Axis Center (single). FLATPACK: Unassembled/Bare MDF.
Our Price: $225.00
Lucid White Mt Mini (pair). FLATPACK: Unassembled/Bare MDF.
Our Price: $225.00
Lucid White Mt Mini (pair)
Our Price: $300.00
Lucid White MMtMM Axis Center (single)
Our Price: $300.00
Lucid White MtM Omni (pair). FLATPACK: Unassembled/Bare MDF.
Our Price: $337.50
Lucid White MMtMM Axis Center (pair). FLATPACK: Unassembled/Bare MDF.
Our Price: $450.00
Lucid White MMtMM Axis Center (pair)
Our Price: $600.00
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Seth sorry I didn't make myself clear. Is the price for a flatpak the same as the completed MTM? This is where I'm confused. There isn't a price for the speaker completed and finished.
Thanks
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Found this in the first post...
MtM Omni $450/pair + shipping
Appears to be for a finished pair???
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Seth,
It's a little confusing listing only in ascending price. If the models were grouped together, it might be a little easier?
*** FLATPACKS are Unassembled/Bare MDF complete kits ***
Lucid White Mt Mini (pair)
FLATPACK: Our Price: $225.00
ASSEMBLED: Our Price: $300.00
Lucid White MMtMM Axis Center (single)
FLATPACK: Our Price: $225.00
ASSEMBLED: Our Price: $300.00
Lucid White MMtMM Axis Center (pair)
FLATPACK: Our Price: $450.00
ASSEMBLED: Our Price: $600.00
Lucid White MtM Omni (pair)
FLATPACK: Our Price: $337.50
ASSEMBLED: Our Price: $450.00
Steve
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much more lucid
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Thanks guys. So I'm not as goofy as I felt.
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I just found out about theses..... the MTM's look nice... are the still available? I do not see the completed MTM's available, just the flatpack...
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Available and ready to ship. Order on the website, thanks!
Seth
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Seth, I think the confusion may be that the completed MtM Omni is not listed for sale on your website (only the flatpack is). So there doesn't seem to be a way to order it.
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Seth, I think the confusion may be that the completed MtM Omni is not listed for sale on your website (only the flatpack is). So there doesn't seem to be a way to order it.
Exactly....
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Fixed now!
https://store.virtueaudio.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VIRTU-LW-MtM-OMNI-1
So sorry and THANK YOU for pointing this out.
Seth
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Tying to find out what the -3dB down point of the MMtMM is on the low end, the sensitivity and if you ship to the UK?
EDIT NVM appears to be upper 80s from the above posts - a bit too high for me.
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Raj,
Danny posted response curves for these. They're not full-range so to speak. But amazing sounding with a sub.
These units are heavy and low cost: I would prefer not to ship internationally.
Troubles with customs, damage, etc. can eat up any margins very fast.
Thank you for understanding,
Seth
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Hey Seth,
Are the lucid white speakers still available for sale? I'm considering the MT model for a bedroom system. 85 db efficient but fairly easy to drive, are they 4 ohms or 8 ohms? Sealed or ported (as far as I know the mtm is ported) Approximate F3? Tuning? Most importantly, being an omni design, do they need to be at a minimum of 3 feet from walls in all directions?
Thanks
David
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Hey Seth,
Are the lucid white speakers still available for sale? I'm considering the MT model for a bedroom system. 85 db efficient but fairly easy to drive, are they 4 ohms or 8 ohms? Sealed or ported (as far as I know the mtm is ported) Approximate F3? Tuning? Most importantly, being an omni design, do they need to be at a minimum of 3 feet from walls in all directions?
Thanks
David
They are 87db sensitivity, 8 ohms, and tuned to 65Hz. The MT is really not an omni design and it can be placed close to a wall if needed.
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Thanks for the info Danny. Now let's just see if there are still some available :)
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Danny,
Would it be possible to order the electra tube connectors from you for the MT flat-pack? Ruben would be the one assembling/finishing the speakers so I'd have to ask him to cut new back panels but that's it. He should be getting in touch with you in the near future (if he hasn't already) in order to get woofers/amps and no-rez from you for a pair of super-v that he is going to build for me in the next few months.
Thanks,
David
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Danny,
Would it be possible to order the electra tube connectors from you for the MT flat-pack? Ruben would be the one assembling/finishing the speakers so I'd have to ask him to cut new back panels but that's it. He should be getting in touch with you in the near future (if he hasn't already) in order to get woofers/amps and no-rez from you for a pair of super-v that he is going to build for me in the next few months.
Thanks,
David
Yeah, I can supply you with the tube connectors. Just drill new holes for them right above the binding post cups. And when you wire them up run a jumper from them down to the binding post cups so that they are in parallel. Then you can plug anything into them. You can also then A/B the connectors and hear just how good the tube connectors really are.
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And of course we'll line the cabinets with no-rez :)
Thanks Danny I'll forward instructions to Ruben
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Seth,
I realize you must be extremely busy with the ONE.3 but could you please confirm that it is still possible to order a flatpack for the MT speakers? Possibly along with original boxes as Ruben from Fallen Enclosures is going to be assembling/finishing the speakers before shipping them to my address?
Thanks again and good luck with the new products :)
Congratulations!!
David
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Sorry for the delay in getting back.
We can do flatpacks of all the speakers and Ruben can customize the heck out of them.
We're in touch with Ruben and it's all good.