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Other Stuff => Archived Manufacturer Circles => NuForce => Topic started by: matt996sps on 10 Apr 2013, 09:39 pm
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Hi all,
I just found the AVP-18 on the NuForce web site and ... I want it now ! :D
April 30 is the release date in US, I live in Italy so probably I have to wait some additional days. :(
Someone have more detailed info on this full digital processor ?
Some other good products news are coming in the AV area ? Maybe a matching 5 channels power amp ?
Matteo
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Hi Matteo,
I am not able to divulge future products, but I might say, "stay tuned" to this circle, if those are things you are looking for.
I am quite excited about what NuFORCE is doing in the next few months, including the AVP-18 which promises to be a Giant Killer. :thumb:
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Looks like a feature laden Digital Processor. Love the aesthetics.. matching the Ref 18 monoblocks and the P20 preamp. It unfortunate, NuForce didn't try to improve on the AVP-17's analog section. I can only imagine how may folks will pair this with the OPPO BDP-103. Add an amp and you are set with your electronics!
NuForce has peaked my interest in what DAC chip they are using. If I remember correctly, their previous products used a Cirrus DAC chip set.
If NuForce wants to send me the AVP-18, I will be more than happy to compare it to my AVP-17 accompanied by a NuForce rig. :thumb:
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@Nuforce Team,
It is good to have "integrated" product upgrades. In case this new AVP-18 would have the bit perfect output over USB, it would be a killer product also for 2ch (with the famous pure direct "button" idea).
OT .... letter to Santa:
Please also make a higer end version AVP that has XLR outs to support your MCH and dual mono power amp product lines. Have the HIGH Class D/A section without op-amps or in such way that the op amps can be replaced with discrete modules. And needs the DSD support and USB out for bit perfect pure direct 2 ch sound in case no discrete modules used or some compromises done in L+R+Center area. Have also 2x subs out for front. Pico level clock like in Auralic Vega.
Alternative wilder out of the box idea is to create a fully digital multichannel SW-pre where the multichannel sound outputs are all USB type and 2 video outputs for HDMI directly to TV & Projector (no up-scaling to keep the commodity video part modular and clean) and you have then the D/A engine(s) boxes separately with XLR outs. And you offer the MCH DA (with USB input) boxes with pico level clock. DSD ned to be supported also.
Another thing is the brand and product series naming policy. Please concider that and where you in general use number 18 or 20 etc.
In case the OT part of the message was cloudy, please understand. I rely on that Santa can read all kind of messages and get the key points...
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Hi Matteo, I am not able to divulge future products, but I might say, "stay tuned" to this circle
I'll do :D
What I'm thinking is an audio setup like this, just because I still want a top 2channel system with a 5.1 evolution:
AV preamp: AVP-18 connected to:
---> 2Channel Integrated IA-18 for main speakers
---> two STA-100 for center and rear speakers or a multichannel amp matching the AVP-18
Oppo 105 as a source with analog connection to IA-18 and digital to AVP-18
Do you think it will works well ?
I don't know about the Nuforce roadmap, but I think the company is doing a great job in terms of product lineup
in both the commercial and high-end market and about sound quality, always a huge improvement year by year.
Probably I'll add to the products list a new upgrade card for Oppo 103/105 or a DA converter and a music server at P20/Ref18 level.
The MSR-1 was a great idea but IMHO not implemented in the best possibile way. Probably today technologies are more mature to think something new and successful in music server / streamer area. (I have about 1800-2000 cd and still waiting to digitalize them all ...)
Bye,
Matteo
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It unfortunate, NuForce didn't try to improve on the AVP-17's analog section.
Just spoke with Casey, and He said:
"AVP18 has an improved analog section vs. 17. The volume controller and Opamps are all several level above the 17 ".
So it should actually be fitting of the "18" level designation.
I have known about and been waiting for this model myself for some time.
At this time, I expect we will be showing and demoing the AVP-18 at The Home Entertainment Show (May31-June 2) in Newport Beach CA.
While I will post this in a separate post, we will be in room #535 in at the HILTON.
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Sounds interesting......I guess I will just wait and hear about the AVP-18 when it is released.
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I now have the AVP-18 in my DEMO HT system, which has had some VERY GOOD PrePros (like the BRYSTON SP2/ONKYO Pro 5509, and others) and initially right out of the box, it sounds far better to me, than anything I have used previously.
Simple, Elegant, Practical, and Great Performing.
I immediately heard a nice improvement to the sonic envelopment/immersion on the very first listen.
Game of Thrones "never" sounded this real. This showed off the ability to decode CABLE.
Argo, Life of Pi, James Bond and Zero Dark Thirty all had new dimension and dynamics via an OPPO BDP-103 as a source.
And if my audio memory is good, it smoked the 5.1/7.1 analog outs on the player run through my last PrePro. :thumb:
All of this is with minimal set up, and NO room correction/equalization.
Super easy to set up and good GUI and Menus.
While I will be showing this at The Home Entertainment SHOW May31-June2, it will surely be coming back home with me for my personal system. :green:
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So we already noticed (Newport Show post) from John that a MSP-18 Music Server will come soon ...
but what about the matching 5-7 channel amplifier with the STA-100 modules inside ?
Matteo
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So we already noticed (Newport Show post) from John that a MSP-18 Music Server will come soon ...
but what about the matching 5-7 channel amplifier with the STA-100 modules inside ?
Matteo
Hi Matteo,
While NuFORCE hesitates to prepublicize gear that is approaching (due to production and release date issues), I think it would be safe to say that with patience, you might see something in the next month. (edit: or two)
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AVP-18 is shipping, we have them in stock. The scheduled MCA-20 first ship date is end of August, with MCA-18 following soon.
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Well now that Casey has mentioned it, the next (slated) MultiChannel Amp is the MCA-20.
It is 245wpc x 8 @ 4 ohms and is scheduled to be priced under $2000 ($1995)
Stacked under/over the AVP-18 ($1095) you have an absolutely incredible HT Processor/Amp combo!!
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MCA-20 245wpc x 8 channels Is that a typo? Is it really 8 channels? How many channels is the MCA-18? What are the differences (specs/features) in the MCA offerings? As a follow-up question, what is the differences between MCS series and the original NuForce MCH amps?
Can we get a mock up photo of the MCA series?
When is the analog version of the AVP coming out?
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MCA-20 245wpc x 8 channels Is that a typo? Is it really 8 channels?
No it is not a typo on my end. To my knowledge it is 8 channels.
How many channels is the MCA-18?
To my knowledge it is also 8 channels.
What are the differences (specs/features) in the MCA offerings?
I don't have much more than the power ratings of 245wpc (MCA-20) and 100wpc (MCA-18) both @ 4 ohms
As a follow-up question, what is the differences between MCS series and the original NuForce MCH amps?
Well for one thing the Power Ratings are slightly different, and they are 8 channels rather than 7/5/3. Beyond that, information is not yet available at my level.
Can we get a mock up photo of the MCA series?
From what I have seen the styling will be the same as the AVP-18 and MCP-18.
When is the analog version of the AVP coming out?
That is not something I can announce, but if Casey or Jason feel they are ready, then they might offer a time period.
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More info on the AVP-18 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=118127.msg1240827#msg1240827)
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Here is another report (http://www.whathifi.com/news/nuforce-expands-digital-range-with-avp-18-surround-processor-and-dac-80) on the AVP-18 and DAC-80 from WHAT HI*FI.
(http://www.whathifi.com/sites/whathifi.com/files/images/NuForce_AVP-18_blackangle.jpg)
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What is the word of this unit, using it as a 2.1 chanel preamp. Main reason for this is the peq function and bass management for the 2.1 set up.
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What is the word of this unit, using it as a 2.1 chanel preamp. Main reason for this is the peq function and bass management for the 2.1 set up.
Hi Ricardo,
Yes, it can be set to 2.1 and the PEQ will function at that setting.
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Hi Ricardo,
Yes, it can be set to 2.1 and the PEQ will function at that setting.
Hi John,
how does the AVP18 processor compares sonically to P20 or the P9 analogue preamps? Regarless of bass management, it seems a processor for two chanel is a no for hifi.
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Does anyone have the dimensions? The website unhelpfully says "17"
Also, the most unique feature for me is the digital out--I like the option of sending it to a higher end DAC or DSP. I assume it sends two channels to the digital out? If so, could it send the other channels to the existing preouts?
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Hi John,
how does the AVP18 processor compares sonically to P20 or the P9 analogue preamps? Regarless of bass management, it seems a processor for two chanel is a no for hifi.
Hi Ricardo,
While one cannot expect a $1095 PrePro to have the same 2 channel sound of the P-20 ($5000), I can say it is much closer than you might imagine from the price difference. In fact the Design of the Volume Control is basically the same for the 2 channel section of the AVP-18 and P-20.
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For those looking for AVP-18 info, here is an article published today that adds more information.
It is on a Dutch Site, but you can ask your browser to tranlsate it to read it in English.
LOOK HERE (http://www.qualityhifi.nl/July_2013/NuForce_introduces_the_AVP_18_juli_2013.html)
(http://www.qualityhifi.nl/images/2013/july/AVP%2018-565.jpg)
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Does anyone have the dimensions? The website unhelpfully says "17"
Also, the most unique feature for me is the digital out--I like the option of sending it to a higher end DAC or DSP. I assume it sends two channels to the digital out? If so, could it send the other channels to the existing preouts?
The SPDIF copies the Front L/R channel, however there is a special mode that will 'down-mix' the surround movie info into the SPDIF output, where it can worked with Nuforce Headphone/DAC/Amp for ultimate headphone listening experience.
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Does anyone have the dimensions? The website unhelpfully says "17"
The AVP-18 is 17" w X 13" d X 3.25" H
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This is intended for Mr John Casler.
I'm new to this forum after searching for threads on the AVP-18 (they are pretty limited so far). The other day I placed my order for the AVP-18 processor and the MCH-300XSEC7 high-end multichannel amp (installer version). Upgrading from a Denon receiver (2009 model) and returning to separates again for the first time in 12 years this is bound to be a killer kombo, I'm hoping, taking my speaker system to new heights.
I have a question about a feature that is important to me, relating to the possibility of independent and/or on-the-fly speaker level adjustments - is that a possibility on this processor? Or are those settings always global and affect all inputs and all soundfields? For example, when playing Blu-ray I may wish one particular level setting on the center channel and surround channels, but another when watching HDTV through a different input. This is an extremely useful feature, one that many processors sadly omit these days.
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I have a question in regards to one of the suppose features of the AVP-18..
"Front channel bi-amplification capability"
...But from looking at the reviews online I haven't seen any other mention of that. Only bass management options in the menu screens. Could someone confirm high past low pass crossover adjustability for the front speakers? And what extra channels will the active crossovers be sent out on?
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This is intended for Mr John Casler.
I'm new to this forum after searching for threads on the AVP-18 (they are pretty limited so far). The other day I placed my order for the AVP-18 processor and the MCH-300XSEC7 high-end multichannel amp (installer version). Upgrading from a Denon receiver (2009 model) and returning to separates again for the first time in 12 years this is bound to be a killer kombo, I'm hoping, taking my speaker system to new heights.
I have a question about a feature that is important to me, relating to the possibility of independent and/or on-the-fly speaker level adjustments - is that a possibility on this processor? Or are those settings always global and affect all inputs and all soundfields? For example, when playing Blu-ray I may wish one particular level setting on the center channel and surround channels, but another when watching HDTV through a different input. This is an extremely useful feature, one that many processors sadly omit these days.
Hi Ricky,
Sorry, I didn't get notified of this question by the normal e-mail :duh:
Those settings are "global" and do affect all soundfields.
However, you have several PEQ settings that can be saved, where you could boost the Center Channel only on all bands as needed, and simply select it when you use that specific input. So PEQ 1 could be Bluray, and PEQ 2 could be HDTV, PEQ 3 could be another input.
It is easy to change to any of the PEQ settings from the remote.
I think I may have not thought of this when I responded to you on AVS, so I will also go there and mention how this can be accomplished.
Hope that helps.
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I have a question in regards to one of the suppose features of the AVP-18..
"Front channel bi-amplification capability"
...But from looking at the reviews online I haven't seen any other mention of that. Only bass management options in the menu screens. Could someone confirm high past low pass crossover adjustability for the front speakers? And what extra channels will the active crossovers be sent out on?
Hi Kiwi,
While I have not explored this, I believe you can set the unit to have FRONT HEIGHT channels, which will route the L&R Mains information to those OUTPUTS (those outputs being the REAR Channels, so you sacrifice 7.1)
However for simplicities sake, you would be better off simply connecting a Y-Connector to the Main L&R and using two amps.
I believe the new firmware may even eliminate the XO function as it was originally designed for a limited speaker application.
If you are looking for the AVP-18 to serve as a XO function for your main speakers, I might suggest that it is limited in that aspect.
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I believe the new firmware may even eliminate the XO function as it was originally designed for a limited speaker application.
If you are looking for the AVP-18 to serve as a XO function for your main speakers, I might suggest that it is limited in that aspect.
Thanks. I thought "Digital crossover filters with selectable slopes for bi-amplification of speakers" listed on some site's specifications list was too good to be true and hence why I am trying to make sure first before purchasing.
I already have two NuForce STA-100 amps in a passive bi-amp configuration and was hoping to take it to the next level with digital crossovers.
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Hi Ricky,
Sorry, I didn't get notified of this question by the normal e-mail :duh:
Those settings are "global" and do affect all soundfields.
However, you have several PEQ settings that can be saved, where you could boost the Center Channel only on all bands as needed, and simply select it when you use that specific input. So PEQ 1 could be Bluray, and PEQ 2 could be HDTV, PEQ 3 could be another input.
It is easy to change to any of the PEQ settings from the remote.
I think I may have not thought of this when I responded to you on AVS, so I will also go there and mention how this can be accomplished.
Hope that helps.
Hello John, and thank you! I was not aware that was you on AVS! As you may have seen there I just got my NuForce duo set up yesterday. Seems the MCH-300XSEC7 is in dire need of serious break-in as the sound is promising but is very much holding back right-out-of-the-box. It's had some 26 hours of play so far, but I reckon that ain't enough.
I've noticed the speaker channel levels are unfortunately global on the AVP-18, so thank you for the tip in regards to the PEQ settings - but I cannot see where to tailor channel levels, only the EQ, or am I missing something here? hehe
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Hi Ricky,
Yes, I would put about 150 hours on both units and then get serious. Some even report 200 :o
Regarding the PEQ; While not a perfect solution (and I haven't tried it) you would want to raise the 11 bands of equalization for the CENTER Channel Only. Adjust all 11 bands upward, using the broadest Q setting available.
Again, I haven't tried this, but it should allow you to boost the Center Channel Bands and save that setting. Then select that setting when you use the input you wanted it to adjust.
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Hi Ricky,
Yes, I would put about 150 hours on both units and then get serious. Some even report 200 :o
Regarding the PEQ; While not a perfect solution (and I haven't tried it) you would want to raise the 11 bands of equalization for the CENTER Channel Only. Adjust all 11 bands upward, using the broadest Q setting available.
Again, I haven't tried this, but it should allow you to boost the Center Channel Bands and save that setting. Then select that setting when you use the input you wanted it to adjust.
Hello again John! Thank you for the tip!
150/200 hours of break-in :o Oh, but I'm so impatient! :green: Fact is the duo is slowly starting to sound a little better after 50+ hours now. I played "Prometheus" on Blu-ray last night (flawed movie - great visuals & soundtrack!) and was staggered at the detail and size of the soundstage! I was impressed! Continuing to listen with exitement!
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Ricky now has a great review on the AVP-18 HERE (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119742.msg1259021#msg1259021)
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John, there is a new firmware update on NuForce website in regards to what NuForce calls "microphone calibration" - do you know more specifically what it does? One needs a new program software I think, right (?) and the serial number of the microphone itself in order to do this. Problem is I find no serialnumber on my microphone, or the box it came in.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=86947)
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Hi Ricky,
We just received a note on that.
It is for a highly calibrated mike that is now being tested, and not yet available, so the download was put up prematurely.
While the current mike is better than most other mikes, NuFORCE is now testing these "calibrated" mikes to push the envelope of AutoEQ.
This would probably be an "after market" mike for the most fastidious users, since the present mike is actually excellent.
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Hi Ricky,
We just received a note on that.
It is for a highly calibrated mike that is now being tested, and not yet available, so the download was put up prematurely.
While the current mike is better than most other mikes, NuFORCE is now testing these "calibrated" mikes to push the envelope of AutoEQ.
This would probably be an "after market" mike for the most fastidious users, since the present mike is actually excellent.
Oh! Then I get it! I did get a reply from NuForce support but they didn't mention it was for an "after market" calibrated microphone.
This sounds very interesting indeed and makes me think of Anthem's excellent ARC mic and Audyssey's Pro mic.
I would consider myself a most fastidious user so bring it on! I'm assuming all dealers will sell the mic or will it be through their website only?
I've understood over the years that naturally the mic itself is upmost important for taking accurate measurements.
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Hi Ricky,
As of now they do not have a price, and certainly the dealers should be able get you one when they are available.
The CTO is testing them right now, so the firmware listing was premature.
I'll announce them here when they become available.
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The digital output copies the front L and R. Certainly you can do a 'Down Mixed' on the Front L and R to wrap the surround information.
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Hi Ricky,
As of now they do not have a price, and certainly the dealers should be able get you one when they are available.
The CTO is testing them right now, so the firmware listing was premature.
I'll announce them here when they become available.
I've just had a conversation with another AVP-18 owner over at HDFever.fr (the comment section of the review) and he says this update improves AutoEQ even with the standard supplied microphone! Significant improvements in his case, as a matter of fact, with more accurate results. I find that interesting! I'm gonna try this myself this coming weekend and I'll report back!
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Hi,
Yes, the latest Firmware, even though it's with support for calibrated mic superceeds the previous version, it can be used with the standard mic, just skip adding the calibrated mic data feature.
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Hi,
Yes, the latest Firmware, even though it's with support for calibrated mic superceeds the previous version, it can be used with the standard mic, just skip adding the calibrated mic data feature.
I'm confused by that last part in your reply - should I not transfer the entire data feature when I update my AVP-18? I think the instructions are pretty clear? But then again I might be missing something...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=87132)
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Hi,
If not using the calibrated mic, there is no need to load the Mic Calibration data at all. Just 'Open File' to load the new firmware, and run firmware update, click 'Start'.
Ignore the Mic part.
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Hi,
If not using the calibrated mic, there is no need to load the Mic Calibration data at all. Just 'Open File' to load the new firmware, and run firmware update, click 'Start'.
Ignore the Mic part.
Hmm... so the firmware file in the folder for the microphone calibration is the only thing of interest as long as we have the standard microphone only? Kind of makes sense.
Its just this particular firmware code is the same as the one already released separately earlier last month, and so I already have firmware 1.52.02.45 installed inside my AVP-18. Therefor I'm not sure what good this'll do, unless I'm missing something again? Wish NuForce would get this information straightened out clearly on their website for all owners, but it's a tad lackluster. Perhaps FAQ will be updated?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=87158)
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Hi,
Yes, the fundamental 0820 firmware is 'repeated' in the 'calibrated mic' version. So if you're not using calibrated mic, you may ignore this update.
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Hi,
I wish to inform that we updated all the firmware to the latest version in our USA warehouse, so there is no need to worry, if you recently ordered one or expecting a delivery of one.
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Just wanted to know the output voltage if possible.
I need to know to see how it will matches other equipments.
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Just wanted to know the output voltage if possible.
I need to know to see how it will matches other equipments.
Maximum output is >12.5Vpp.
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The manual mentions a headphone output - is there a headphone amp built in? I don't see a jack in the photos.
Also, how would this unit work with an external headphone amp (or DAC/amp), while remaining hooked up to a multichanel amp for speakers? The spec's mention a spdif output, but I don't see a digital output jack (other than HDMI).
Lastly in the headphone vein, what exactly is "HD Headphone Surround Sound'?
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Has anyone tried using a higher quality power cable with an AVP-18?
I'm going to take possession of an AVP-18 before too long, and I'm contemplating using a better cable. Anyone have an opinion? I'm all eyes. :icon_lol:
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The manual mentions a headphone output - is there a headphone amp built in? I don't see a jack in the photos.
Also, how would this unit work with an external headphone amp (or DAC/amp), while remaining hooked up to a multichanel amp for speakers? The spec's mention a spdif output, but I don't see a digital output jack (other than HDMI).
Lastly in the headphone vein, what exactly is "HD Headphone Surround Sound'?
The mention of a Headphone Output is in error and should be fixed soon.
The software HD Surround Sound process is also a remnant of the OEM's firmware, and not available since there is no Phones output.
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The mention of a Headphone Output is in error and should be fixed soon.
The software HD Surround Sound process is also a remnant of the OEM's firmware, and not available since there is no Phones output.
Thanks John. As for the spdif output, the photo on the Nuforce site doesn't show a jack but another photo I found online does show one. What is the current configuration?
If there is a digital output, can the audio (from HDMI input) be switched between the analog outputs and the digital one? That way, I could hook a DAC/headphone amp to the digital output for headphone use when watching movies or using the xbox.
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Thanks John. As for the spdif output, the photo on the Nuforce site doesn't show a jack but another photo I found online does show one. What is the current configuration?
If there is a digital output, can the audio (from HDMI input) be switched between the analog outputs and the digital one? That way, I could hook a DAC/headphone amp to the digital output for headphone use when watching movies or using the xbox.
Yes, the production model has the optical digital (toslink) output.
It is my understanding that the optical is hot all the time and carries only the L&R channel info.
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Rimbaud,
Good question! :thumb:
John,
Thank you for answering. :thumb:
I know I'll put that to good use.
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New review from Italy, very well translated by Google:
Detail analysis and lab report on the DSP.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.avmagazine.it/articoli/diffusori/870/processore-av-nuforce-avp-18_5.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnuforce%2Bprimo%2B8%26start%3D10%26sa%3DN%26espv%3D210%26es_sm%3D93%26biw%3D1380%26bih%3D855%26tbs%3Dqdr:w (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.avmagazine.it/articoli/diffusori/870/processore-av-nuforce-avp-18_5.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnuforce%2Bprimo%2B8%26start%3D10%26sa%3DN%26espv%3D210%26es_sm%3D93%26biw%3D1380%26bih%3D855%26tbs%3Dqdr:w)
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Also make sure and pick up the FEB/MARCH issue Of Sound and Vision for a review/test of the AVP-18
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Also make sure and pick up the FEB/MARCH issue Of Sound and Vision for a review/test of the AVP-18
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93804)
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Posted not too long ago on the AV Revolution Website:
AVP-18 info and specs (http://www.avrevolution.com.au/home-theatre/av-processors/nuforce/avp-18)
For those interested in the latest REVIEW of the AVP-18 from Sound and Vision.
The SOUND and VISION Review of the AVP-18 (http://www.avrevolution.com.au/SiteMedia/w3svc1114/Uploads/Documents/Sound&Vision%20AVP-18%20Review_March%202014.pdf?utm_campaign=website&utm_source=sendgrid.com&utm_medium=email)
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Got a few questions regarding the avp18.
What are the firmware that i see available to download on the nuforce website? Do i need firmware update, if i a buy a brand new unit from overseas (hong Kong)?
Also, what is lowest crossover point for the high pass filter?
Thank you.
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The lowest HP crossover is 1kHz. The latest Firmware is always better than the previous/earlier one. Unfortunately due to warehousing, the unit always come with the last firmware when that AVP-18 was build in the factory, a couple month lag in terms of firmware. If you have no issue, you may not need to update the firmware.
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The lowest HP crossover is 1kHz. The latest Firmware is always better than the previous/earlier one. Unfortunately due to warehousing, the unit always come with the last firmware when that AVP-18 was build in the factory, a couple month lag in terms of firmware. If you have no issue, you may not need to update the firmware.
Hi,
thanks for the response.
Im not getting the HP crossover though. The minimum is 1Khz? Im kinda lost, i thought it would go down to 50 or 40 HZ?
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Let's do this: For the subwoofer, you can set 10-1000 Hz as the crossover point.
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Hi nuforce casey, thank you and i appreciated your response.
Unfortunetely, it doesnt answer my simple question. In fact, i thought those responses were blantly throw out.
I guess i will shoot nuforce an email ragarding my particular question. For now i guess the lowest point for the HP would be 10 hz, that make it a lot of sense. :roll:
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Hi,
thanks for the response.
Im not getting the HP crossover though. The minimum is 1Khz? Im kinda lost, i thought it would go down to 50 or 40 HZ?
In the General Speaker/Sub set up the SUB Low Pass starts at 40Hz and then goes up in 5Hz steps.
If you employ the PEQ Equalizer you can, as Casey stated go as low as 10Hz.
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In the General Speaker/Sub set up the SUB Low Pass starts at 40Hz and then goes up in 5Hz steps.
If you employ the PEQ Equalizer you can, as Casey stated go as low as 10Hz.
Hi John, thanks for the response. I was actually asking on my post for the lowest point for the high pass, thats why i got confused with what casey replied. If the sub lowest crossover is at 40hz, that should imply that the lowest high pass is 40hz as well.
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Hi Guys,
Interested in the AVP-18 and had a handfull of questions:
- What is the max volume output of the AVP-18 in db? (like 0db, +10db, etc)
- Is the volume jumps 1/2db or 1db with each click of the remote?
- What precision level is there when setting the level of each speaker?
- Can you dim the front display?
Thanks,
James
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Just got the unit but havent made any connection yet.
Will let you know once i have them hooked up.
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Hi John, thanks for the response. I was actually asking on my post for the lowest point for the high pass, thats why i got confused with what casey replied. If the sub lowest crossover is at 40hz, that should imply that the lowest high pass is 40hz as well.
With the AVP-18 you can set the low pass in the speaker menu at 40Hz up. This is how most would do it, in the Speaker Set Up Menu. This then would send 40Hz and up to the other speakers.
Or you can do as Casey was talking about and set the sub and speakers via the PEQ (Parametric Equalizer) to other settings as low as 10Hz.
In general, the most simple method is the Speaker Set Up menu, but for those with a trusty Sound Pressure Meter and Frequency Response Gear you can delve into the PEQ.
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Hi Guys,
Interested in the AVP-18 and had a handfull of questions:
- What is the max volume output of the AVP-18 in db? (like 0db, +10db, etc)
- Is the volume jumps 1/2db or 1db with each click of the remote?
- What precision level is there when setting the level of each speaker?
- Can you dim the front display?
Maximum output is 4.5Vrms, which is about 13dBV or 15dBU. The volume steps are in 0.5dB, same as in level settings. There is a dim control on the remote to dim the front display.
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Thanks for the info Casey.
ricardojoa, let us know your thoughts on the unit to. Still on the fence, and more feedback is always a plus.
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Hi Guys,
Interested in the AVP-18 and had a handfull of questions:
- What is the max volume output of the AVP-18 in db? (like 0db, +10db, etc)
- Is the volume jumps 1/2db or 1db with each click of the remote?
- What precision level is there when setting the level of each speaker?
- Can you dim the front display?
Thanks,
James
James, the volume control on the panel goes from 0-80 db, with 0.5 increaments.
Each speaker can set .0.5db level (balance).
You can dim on the remote control.
So far i like how the unit function except that while i was playing with the PEQ, the unit froze twice, so i needed to power off and restart the unit. The unit loads pretty quick, but i found when listen to music, you seem to hear a very short pause. Seems like the unit a constantly scan for signal. Overall, even without the proper manual, it is actually not that hard to navigate thru the menu.
Another problem is that, if the remote control is mulfunction, you will never get to set up menu to work at all, so hopefully these remote control will last.
I got the unit because of the DSP and peq function. I have it pair with the STA 100 amps, and so far i have found them to be a step up over my avr set up. Overal clarity is enhanced, the imaging is more precise and i could hear more of the subtle nuances. The sub also seems to play punchier,not sure how it relate to the avp though.
Hope that helps.
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So far i like how the unit function except that while i was playing with the PEQ, the unit froze twice, so i needed to power off and restart the unit. The unit loads pretty quick, but i found when listen to music, you seem to hear a very short pause. Seems like the unit a constantly scan for signal. Overall, even without the proper manual, it is actually not that hard to navigate thru the menu.
Another problem is that, if the remote control is mulfunction, you will never get to set up menu to work at all, so hopefully these remote control will last.
I got the unit because of the DSP and peq function. I have it pair with the STA 100 amps, and so far i have found them to be a step up over my avr set up. Overal clarity is enhanced, the imaging is more precise and i could hear more of the subtle nuances. The sub also seems to play punchier,not sure how it relate to the avp though.
Hope that helps.
Please download and update with the latest firmware, which got rid of all the bugs.
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James, the volume control on the panel goes from 0-80 db, with 0.5 increaments.
Each speaker can set .0.5db level (balance).
You can dim on the remote control.
So far i like how the unit function except that while i was playing with the PEQ, the unit froze twice, so i needed to power off and restart the unit. The unit loads pretty quick, but i found when listen to music, you seem to hear a very short pause. Seems like the unit a constantly scan for signal. Overall, even without the proper manual, it is actually not that hard to navigate thru the menu.
Another problem is that, if the remote control is mulfunction, you will never get to set up menu to work at all, so hopefully these remote control will last.
I got the unit because of the DSP and peq function. I have it pair with the STA 100 amps, and so far i have found them to be a step up over my avr set up. Overal clarity is enhanced, the imaging is more precise and i could hear more of the subtle nuances. The sub also seems to play punchier,not sure how it relate to the avp though.
Hope that helps.
ricardojoa,
Thanks for the feedback it definitely helps. Sounds like the Outlaw 975 that I am currently using with the pauses, takes about 3 seconds for it to lock onto a signal, compared to <1 for the Marantz I also have.
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Please download and update with the latest firmware, which got rid of all the bugs.
Thanks Casey
There are a number of update and files. Im guessing i should download the upgrade guide pdf file, the upgrade install file, and the latest firmware?
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ricardojoa,
Thanks for the feedback it definitely helps. Sounds like the Outlaw 975 that I am currently using with the pauses, takes about 3 seconds for it to lock onto a signal, compared to <1 for the Marantz I also have.
Im not sure how long it pauses but it is no where near 1 second. It's actually a very slight paused which you noticed but not really a concern at all, and that depends on how the CD is recorded.
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Thanks for all the feedback, I decided to try one in my system. Will see how it does vs an Outlaw 975 and Marantz AV7005.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96426)
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Well I got a chance to listen a good amount to all three this weekend, and the Marantz and Outlaw will soon be looking for a new home. The Nuforce bested the other two for sound quality and has all the features I need. Will give a little more detail tonight or tomorrow.
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I noticed something weird about "direct" mode. When it is used, redirection of "small" speakers on the LFE channel is disabled but the crossover frequency filtering is still performed.
I was expecting that level and distance settings where still in use but not this kind of filtering. This was not the case on all other brands of A/V receivers I have previously used.
Why do I need that ?
As the AVP-18 has no heaphone amp, I am using an external headphone amp. When I want to use it, I switch off the power amp for the speakers and connect the headphone amp on the front L/R line outs of the AVP-18. As you can see, I must also reconfigure my front speakers on "large" mode in order to have an unfiltered signal on the line outs.
Also, as I am not using the back channels, it would be a nice to have to be able to duplicate the front signal on the back output (this could also be used for an A/B speakers configuration, or bi-amping...).
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Hi,
In 'Direct' mode, we do not process the main channels, so the small speakers revert to 'Large' (i.e. full-range no processing), however, due to customer still wanting the subwoofer working, we keep the subwoofer working with the crossover frequency remained the same.
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Hi,
Thank you for answering.
However, I indeed did the test with the latest AVP-18 firmware (1.52.02.50) and found out that it was not the case. "Small" front speakers remain "small" and are still high-pass filtered according to the configured crossover frequency.
However, the remaining bass signal (low-pass filtered from the "small" main speakers) is not sent to the sub channel (this was expected).
It is quite easy to figure it out using a high crossover frequency (250Hz) and configure the main speakers alternatively in "small" and "large" and switch to direct mode. You will hear a difference in bass between these two configurations that should not sound different in direct mode.
According to what you think is the right behavior (I have the same expectations, it seems: no EQ, no filtering), it may be a bug so it is worth a try to confirm it.
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Dear all, here are my initial experiences and a few questions about the AVP-18.
The situation was: I listen in stereo, and my amplifier combo was a vintage yet refurbished (new capacitors, better opamps) Quad 44 & 405-2 set. DIY speakers based on Beyma (European brand, similar to professional JBL etc) coaxial drivers. The system is used for both music and video, and music quality is important. The 44 pre-amp, while I love it dearly, was getting really geriatric with a channel regularly dropping. And it was getting annoying to connect all those digital sources.
It was not easy to find a reasonably priced pre-amplifier that could handle all the digital sources and still sound very good for music. The AVP-18 provided exactly that. My sources are the Oppo BDP-103D, bought together with the NuForce, it is a great one box solution; and also the Apple TV. Cabling in HDMI. Only analog cable is a stereo cable towards the Quad power amp.
It sounds really good. I tried a few high resolution music files and they sound pristine, not the electronic sound of affordable AV gear. Compared to my old Quad 44 pre-amp, it is as if a curtain has been lifted.
Now my questions:
- Is there a list of exact improvements with in all the firmware updates? MyNuforce came with 1.52.something and it is for me a huge pain to update the firmware: my computer is a desktop mac without windows emulation and my work laptop is locked down. Meaning, I will have to ask someone else's pc for the upgrade process. Hence it would be good to see if an upgrade would matter. A recommendation is to make it possible to have simple usb memory stick upgrades, like it is possible with many devices.
- Is there an audible difference between hdmi and optical or coaxial? I read that hdmi introduces more jitter, but I am not sure if there would be any audible difference. It sounds awesome as is.
- For stereo, I selected large front speakers and all the other speakers off. Still the autoeq obviously searched the other channels during set up. Did I do it right? I also notice that the autoeq result is quite subtle, maximum resulting corrections are around 1.5 db. Years ago I borrowed a Behringer digital eq to experiment with and it made a bigger (too big in fact) impact on the sound. Still I would expect more than 1.5 db required at some frequencies. So, here again, did I do it right?
cheers and looking forward to any insights!
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Dear all, here are my initial experiences and a few questions about the AVP-18.
The situation was: I listen in stereo, and my amplifier combo was a vintage yet refurbished (new capacitors, better opamps) Quad 44 & 405-2 set. DIY speakers based on Beyma (European brand, similar to professional JBL etc) coaxial drivers. The system is used for both music and video, and music quality is important. The 44 pre-amp, while I love it dearly, was getting really geriatric with a channel regularly dropping. And it was getting annoying to connect all those digital sources.
It was not easy to find a reasonably priced pre-amplifier that could handle all the digital sources and still sound very good for music. The AVP-18 provided exactly that. My sources are the Oppo BDP-103D, bought together with the NuForce, it is a great one box solution; and also the Apple TV. Cabling in HDMI. Only analog cable is a stereo cable towards the Quad power amp.
It sounds really good. I tried a few high resolution music files and they sound pristine, not the electronic sound of affordable AV gear. Compared to my old Quad 44 pre-amp, it is as if a curtain has been lifted.
Now my questions:
- Is there a list of exact improvements with in all the firmware updates? MyNuforce came with 1.52.something and it is for me a huge pain to update the firmware: my computer is a desktop mac without windows emulation and my work laptop is locked down. Meaning, I will have to ask someone else's pc for the upgrade process. Hence it would be good to see if an upgrade would matter. A recommendation is to make it possible to have simple usb memory stick upgrades, like it is possible with many devices.
- Is there an audible difference between hdmi and optical or coaxial? I read that hdmi introduces more jitter, but I am not sure if there would be any audible difference. It sounds awesome as is.
- For stereo, I selected large front speakers and all the other speakers off. Still the autoeq obviously searched the other channels during set up. Did I do it right? I also notice that the autoeq result is quite subtle, maximum resulting corrections are around 1.5 db. Years ago I borrowed a Behringer digital eq to experiment with and it made a bigger (too big in fact) impact on the sound. Still I would expect more than 1.5 db required at some frequencies. So, here again, did I do it right?
cheers and looking forward to any insights!
I have not done the latest firmware update yet but already got the cable so i will do it in the next week or so.
I think the update addresses some of the gliches that the older firmware has. I believe when the unit frezes is one them. Im currently using two connections, one is the coaxial, the other is the HDMI. I have found with hdmi, the transiction between tracks is smoother while with the cox, i have a slight pause between tracks.
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- Is there an audible difference between hdmi and optical or coaxial? I read that hdmi introduces more jitter, but I am not sure if there would be any audible difference. It sounds awesome as is.
With a Blu-Ray player yes, as HDMI will allow you to listen to the lossless digital audio formats (Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio) wheras coax/optical will default to the core DD or DTS soundtrack.
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I have a quesiton for AVP-18 users, does anyone else have the dim function defeated when changing volume? It appears to happen only on the HDMI inputs (tried HDMI 1, 2 &3), but I can set the dim level for the front display, but if I change the volume (or anything else) it defaults to a brighter setting. Strangly enough it doesn't seem to happen on the Coax input (only tried Coax 1).
Also, is there any way to defeat the on screen volume display? Don't mind it when playing games, but its frustrating when watching a movie. I know you can adjust the volume then hit exit to quickly make it dissapear, but still. Not sure if theres a way that I just am not seeing, or perhaps this could be an option with future firmware.
...and just realized I never posted my impressions of the AVP-18. Will do so tonight.
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I have a quesiton for AVP-18 users, does anyone else have the dim function defeated when changing volume? It appears to happen only on the HDMI inputs (tried HDMI 1, 2 &3), but I can set the dim level for the front display, but if I change the volume (or anything else) it defaults to a brighter setting. Strangly enough it doesn't seem to happen on the Coax input (only tried Coax 1).
Also, is there any way to defeat the on screen volume display? Don't mind it when playing games, but its frustrating when watching a movie. I know you can adjust the volume then hit exit to quickly make it dissapear, but still. Not sure if theres a way that I just am not seeing, or perhaps this could be an option with future firmware.
...and just realized I never posted my impressions of the AVP-18. Will do so tonight.
If you install the latest firmware, the onscreen display of volume can be completely defeated if you turn off OSD (On Screen Display) in the setup.
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"I have a quesiton for AVP-18 users, does anyone else have the dim function defeated when changing volume? It appears to happen only on the HDMI inputs (tried HDMI 1, 2 &3), but I can set the dim level for the front display, but if I change the volume (or anything else) it defaults to a brighter setting."
Gaara,
My AVP-18 does the same thing. I just tried it now. To be honest, though, I hadn't really noticed the display while watching videos. I'll watch later this evening....perhaps I'll notice it now.....oh nooooooooo. :icon_lol:
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Thanks all for your answers.
I had two remaining questions:
1. (a repeat question) would it be possible for Nuforce to release firmware updates that only need to be put on a memory stick (as it usually happens in other devices) instead of the laborious current practice?
2. I listen in stereo only. I notice the auto-eq effect on a 24 bit/88khz file from SACD source. But in another file at 192 khz the difference is subtle at best. I am wondering if the auto eq also applies to 192 khz files?
Otherwise I am happy with this device, it sounds musical and at the same time it is very convenient for a 1-box solution that can be applied to movies as well.
I did a demo to a colleague over the weekend, who uses a Naim pre/power set (always good!) and he is tempted.
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If you install the latest firmware, the onscreen display of volume can be completely defeated if you turn off OSD (On Screen Display) in the setup.
Does this turn off just the OSD for volume, or everything including setup? I have a USB cable coming from Monoprice, should be here in a couple days, will be sure to install the new firmware and report back.
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Does this turn off just the OSD for volume, or everything including setup? I have a USB cable coming from Monoprice, should be here in a couple days, will be sure to install the new firmware and report back.
All the OSD is turned off, because the front VFD display is active, it will show the volume bar etc...
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All the OSD is turned off, because the front VFD display is active, it will show the volume bar etc...
I did the update and it resolved the OSD concern, thanks.
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Hello. Need a little help with AVP-18. How do you exactly do the firmware update (1.52.02.41 currently on unit). I have the usb cord and a laptop.
any help will greatly appreciative :D. Thank you. Ken
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you should download this https://www.nuforce.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&task=download&id=291_3e250e0372b7a2229a3cc501842d06d0&Itemid=1103
it tells you the steps.
Not sure if your labtop would meet the requiremnts though.
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Thanks. Have another question, Do you have to download all of the updates or just the latest update? Also when I did the update I had an
Error OSD Flash not match! on the unit. Ken
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Really, as I mentioned before, Nuforce should distribute updates that you can simply put on an usb stick for installation.
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the way they do, allows continuous update of firmware and at lower cost.
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Sorry, that you will have to explain. All other devices in my experience can be upgraded with a downloaded firmware on a memory stick or memory card.
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Hi, Camembert.
All of my devices that can be updated are either connected to my router or to my PC for the firmware update. There is nothing odd or peculiar about Nuforce's procedure in my humble opinion. :D
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(http://)Oh you mean downloading to a stick memotry card? That will do and will skip a few step for the end user.
I thought you meant nuforce sending a memory stick card for every firmware update.
No worries on my part, having good duscussion is always welcome.
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Thanks. Have another question, Do you have to download all of the updates or just the latest update? Also when I did the update I had an
Error OSD Flash not match! on the unit. Ken
When I did the firmware update I grabbed the most recent version. My process was as follows:
1) Download the instructions off the Nuforce site
2) Download the installer for the firmware upgrade program
3) Download the most recent firmware
4) Install the firmware upgrade program
5) Connect my PC via USB to the Nuforce via a USB A to USB B cable
6) Opened the Nuforce_AVR_Upgrade program
a) Hit "Select File" and selected the firmware
b) Hit Start
7) The update ran for a few minutes and was done (and if I recall correctly the Nuforce restarted)
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Greetings everyone.
I was on a mission to upgrade my current stereo setup to be able to enjoy the video in the living room. Still, the focus had to remain on stereo sound as music is what the system is playing 95% of time. I sadly don't have the luxury of having a spare room for music listening and have to accomodate other family members without ruining music listening experience for myself.
Current setup is
Marantz CD6000
Sony BDP-S790 bluray player
Arcam A70 amp
Q Acoustics 2050i
I've tried adding Denon AVR X-4000 due to vast number of gimmicks (and a great price too) by using preamp to Arcam A70 as I wasn't happy with what Denon was delivering sound vise on it's own. In this setup, Marantz CD was connected directly to Arcam with Audioquest Redriver analogues while Denon was taking care of sound from Sony bluray and Samsung smart tv. It was also used to play files over network since FLAC is supported but network adapter was buggy and kept losing connection. I was not happy and it made me want to stick with Arcam A70 more and more.
Potential solution was introduction of NuForce AVP-18 with following logic:
- Sony BDP-S790 (via HDMI) used for bluray and playing audio files over network even if it currently won't play FLAC. CD is still the main source. Question: solution for FLAC over network?
- Marantz CD6000 was due an upgrade for a long time now. Question: Would using AVP-18 as a DAC qualify (I have no chance of testing before purchase)?
Regards,
Imp
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Potential solution was introduction of NuForce AVP-18 with following logic:
- Sony BDP-S790 (via HDMI) used for bluray and playing audio files over network even if it currently won't play FLAC. CD is still the main source. Question: solution for FLAC over network?
- Marantz CD6000 was due an upgrade for a long time now. Question: Would using AVP-18 as a DAC qualify (I have no chance of testing before purchase)?
I had a very similar use case. 1 audio system, stereo only, that is used for both video and music and that should sound good with music.
The AVP-18 successfully replaced my geriatric Quad 44 preamp. It sounds very clean. I am not sure if it sounds better than the excellent Cambridge DacMagic Plus dac which I also briefly used as a pre-amp for my quad power amp, but it is much more practical and comprehensive.
For the source, next to an Apple TV that streams various data, I upgraded my BR player to the Oppo BDP-103D. This one is tremendously versatile, can be connected to anything, can grab most kinds of video and audio files. It has excellent picture quality, it stream PCM to the AVP18 (for example for music that is in SACD format which the AVP cannot decode directly, I also use it for FLAC files, mkv video etc), and the AVP competently covents to analog.
Really happy. Minimalist, no nonsense, practical. The auto eq is even slightly better than my traditional "straight audio" preference.
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Can someone confirm?
I was using direct mode and i thought it disable everything including the bass mangement. But that doesnt seem the case, as it only disable the sub, but the fronts are still high passed.
Thank you
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Can someone confirm?
I was using direct mode and i thought it disable everything including the bass mangement. But that doesnt seem the case, as it only disable the sub, but the fronts are still high passed.
Thank you
I can confirm ricardojoa that this is happeneing with my AVP-18 as well. I adjusted the x-over point to 150hz, shut off my subs, and tried some test tones. I played a 60hz test tone in Stereo, then in Direct, with no difference in bass. I would expect there to be a substantial drop in Stereo since bass management is sending most of the bass 150hz and below to the subs. This was not the case, the levels were identical.
When I set the x-over back to my normal 60hz there was a substantial gain in volume w/ the 60hz test tone. This was the same case if I set the speakers to Full Range.
So it looks like, at least in my our cases, Direct mode is not operating as we expceted. I did my tests using an Oppo 103 BDP via HDMI to the AVP-18.
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I can confirm ricardojoa that this is happeneing with my AVP-18 as well. I adjusted the x-over point to 150hz, shut off my subs, and tried some test tones. I played a 60hz test tone in Stereo, then in Direct, with no difference in bass. I would expect there to be a substantial drop in Stereo since bass management is sending most of the bass 150hz and below to the subs. This was not the case, the levels were identical.
When I set the x-over back to my normal 60hz there was a substantial gain in volume w/ the 60hz test tone. This was the same case if I set the speakers to Full Range.
So it looks like, at least in my our cases, Direct mode is not operating as we expceted. I did my tests using an Oppo 103 BDP via HDMI to the AVP-18.
I have read a review that pretty much say the same thing, so apparently direct mode isnt so direct. There doesnt seem to have a feature that would disable everything and have it in pure full range 2 channel.
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I have read a review that pretty much say the same thing, so apparently direct mode isnt so direct. There doesnt seem to have a feature that would disable everything and have it in pure full range 2 channel.
It would be a hassle, but you could potentially change your front speakers to Full prior to each listening session that you wanted to just listen to stereo in full range, and switch it back when you are done. Not ideal, but it is a stopgap.
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As per the last several posts;
Casey has posted me the following:
Hi,
Direct mode bypassed the Auto EQ.
However, the Front Left and Right becomes Large speakers without any crossover, while the Sub output will remain operating with the prior set parameter.
This is to accommodate listening to music in Stereo PCM with a subwoofer.
You can also review the chart from the FAQ's that list some of the functions and how they should affect the AVP-18
LOOK HERE FOR THE CHART (https://www.nuforce.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=674&Itemid=1100)
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I just did a firmaware update and it DID NOT go through and fail on AVP18 file, but the rest of the three files was successful. I tried using other update firmware and is the same issue. I took the unit to a friend place, using his PC, and had the same issue.
Now my unit is not working. What should i do?
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I just did a firmaware update and it DID NOT go through and fail on AVP18 file, but the rest of the three files was successful. I tried using other update firmware and is the same issue. I took the unit to a friend place, using his PC, and had the same issue.
Now my unit is not working. What should i do?
Problem fixed. It come out to be a faulty USB cable. :duh:
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As per the last several posts;
Casey has posted me the following:
You can also review the chart from the FAQ's that list some of the functions and how they should affect the AVP-18
LOOK HERE FOR THE CHART (https://www.nuforce.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=674&Itemid=1100)
Hi John, thank you for responding.
I have the firmware updated to the lastest, i can tell you that's not really the case with the direct mode being full range.
Seems to me that the direct mode disable the EQ, but not the bass management as it is clear that has a high pass to it and is not sending any signal to sub.
I would expect that direct mode is pure signal with no processing, So it wil be pure full range 2.0
I guess there might be a new firmware in the future.
You can check post 76 from a user with the same case. So is a total of four users that has the same case.
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I believe that is correct, that the DIRECT runs the signal Direct by-passing the Equalization Circuit.
The Mains/Sub relationship (XO) will not change. It does not by-pass the XO you set up.
I don't think DIRECT is intended to be "PURE" as in taking the XO's you set out of the circuit. Many have smaller L&R and most all have subs, so the XO you set remains.
At least that is my understanding.
If you "normally" run your speakers as Large, they will stay large, if you run them as Small, they will stay small using the DIRECT mode.
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Well, based on the faq of the avp18 direct mode is discribed as
"What is “Direct" and does EQ have any effect with this setting?
“Direct” refers to a ‘purist’ form of decoding, such that the AVP-18 turns off all DSP enhancements like room correction and EQ. It’s recommended for dedicated 2-channel audio, but not for Movie sound tracks (except perhaps, acoustic music videos, etc.)."
If is recommended for 2 ch. it would be better being large rather high pass, because some people have the settings at 80hz and it would be too high for music with no sub.
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Is there any information available on support for HDMI 2.0 with the AVP18 ?
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Has anyone use REW with the avp18?
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Is there any information available on support for HDMI 2.0 with the AVP18 ?
At this point the Video Transciever Board (http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/ADV7623.pdf) is set up for HDMI 1.4
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So how many bugs are there still with the avp18?
Here is the problem, the unit will not play music after it has been shut down, and then turn on. Its been twice since i updated the firm ware. It didnt happen before. I needed to fully switch off and reboot the unit in order to work.
I thought nuforce would be better then emotiva. Maybe not.
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So how many bugs are there still with the avp18?
Here is the problem, the unit will not play music after it has been shut down, and then turn on. Its been twice since i updated the firm ware. It didnt happen before. I needed to fully switch off and reboot the unit in order to work.
I thought nuforce would be better then emotiva. Maybe not.
Not aware of any bugs at the moment.
I have your question sent in to the support staff to see if they have encountered it.
But in the mean time check your menu setting and see if you have HDMI CEC Control "off or on".
(https://www.nuforce.com/images/1.png)
If on, it can sometimes cause issues, especially if used with components designed before CEC was employed.
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Ricardojoa,
There has been only one other report of something like this, and the unit was returned for service. While there the reported issue could not be duplicated.
It then had the new firmware "re-installed" and still not able to reproduce.
It was thought that there was a glitch of some type in uploading the most recent firmware upgrade (maybe a bad connection, or too long or low quality USB cable or even something within the specific computer)
I received the following instructions:
What you need to do is to run the Firmware upgrade software again, or download the older version, just in case, but we haven't been able to find any bugs. Factory had performed continuously updating the firmware more than 20 times without having an issue.
To re-do the upgrade in the case of failed update, check the button: 'Re-Programming'
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z86/BIO-FORCE/untitled_zpsc608d408.png)
1) Try again, if same problem persists,
2) Try with a different PC/USB, change the USB port, change the USB cable (use a short one, don't use a 3-meter cable).
3) Try with the old firmware upgrade software (the Windows software, not the firmware itself.
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Thanks John.
I have the feature you mentioned disable and havent had that problem.
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Thanks John.
I have the feature you mentioned disable and havent had that problem.
:thumb: That's even better.
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:thumb: That's even better.
Hi John,
interesting the unit just turn on without being able to detect any signal. This is happening again. So i need to switch off and turn on to be able to work again. Not sure why is doing this, and i dont know if nuforce would be even able to fix this gliich since it happens so randomly
It seems like there is random problem like this and the freeze that i still get while adjusting the EQ.
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Hi John,
interesting the unit just turn on without being able to detect any signal. This is happening again. So i need to switch off and turn on to be able to work again. Not sure why is doing this, and i dont know if nuforce would be even able to fix this gliich since it happens so randomly
It seems like there is random problem like this and the freeze that i still get while adjusting the EQ.
Sorry to hear of the re-occurrence.
It is my understanding, that out of all the AVP-18 units out in the field, only one other had a similar issue. It was eventually sent in to SERVICE, they re-updated the firmware, and no problems since.
It was thought that the cable the customer used to update the firmware was quite long, and somehow corrupted the upload files.
Have filed a SUPPORT TICKET?
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Not aware of any bugs at the moment.
I have your question sent in to the support staff to see if they have encountered it.
But in the mean time check your menu setting and see if you have HDMI CEC Control "off or on".
(https://www.nuforce.com/images/1.png)
If on, it can sometimes cause issues, especially if used with components designed before CEC was employed.
I borrow this picture, i can not go in to the Parameter , when i do that the unit freezes and i have to turn it off on the back, why? I have the latest firmware
Thomas
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Is there a factory reset or something like that so i can start from the beginnig with my unit?
Thomas
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See the above screen and select "load default".
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Now it says: upgrade main cpu. When i tried to upgrade, the last file always fail and i cant get out of the upgrade procedure, cant use avp 18
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Sounds like you should contact tech support.
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At this point the Video Transceiver Board (http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/ADV7623.pdf) is set up for HDMI 1.4
Is there a chance that the AVP-18 can be upgraded via firmware to pass on 4K@60Hz seeing it already supports 30Hz?
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I see that the AVP-18 is listed as out of stock in many places. Is there something coming up or is it just on back-order?
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I see that the AVP-18 is listed as out of stock in many places. Is there something coming up or is it just on back-order?
No, it is not being replaced soon. It is simply supply and demand.
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Are distance from speakers measured as part of the calibration process? Do I need to connect to a laptop as with ARC? What is the distance step with the AVP18? Are the in increments of 0.1m or? Thank you.
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Hi,
Check out the FAQ which talked about the calibration process. The self-scanning setup will detect the speaker distance, display will be rounded to .1 but I believe the internal registers are accurate.
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Just wanted to find out a little bit more info on the peq on the avp18.
What is it in terms of octave does Q 2 and Q 20 varies? For example, if i have it at 100hz, how much difference are there between Q 2 and Q 20?
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No, it is not being replaced soon. It is simply supply and demand.
Do you still think so? Also in light of the Optoma acquisition? I don't. I ordered almost 4 months ago.
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Do you still think so? Also in light of the Optoma acquisition? I don't. I ordered almost 4 months ago.
There has been no news of a replacement or change to that model, however the acquisition transition, did slow or stop production for a period of time, which is likely why you didn't receive yours yet. I have been told that the supply chain is now back on-line, and products should be shipping as that occurs.
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Thanks for sharing that. Unless this is info under NDA, have you heard similarly encouraging news regarding the MCA-18?
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Thanks for sharing that. Unless this is info under NDA, have you heard similarly encouraging news regarding the MCA-18?
I can't be as encouraging regarding the MCP-18. It is not currently showing on the new website, which may indicate a question about it.
This is not for sure, but I have not received a confirmation as of yet.
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I can't be as encouraging regarding the MCP-18. It is not currently showing on the new website, which may indicate a question about it.
This is not for sure, but I have not received a confirmation as of yet.
Yeah, I needed a new remote for my new MCP-18, as the supplied one was damaged on arrival. Corresponding with the seller, they stated that they were told a replacement wasn't available from Nuforce. So they swapped me with another one they had in stock (thank you Audio Advisor!).
If they have discontinued the preamp, that is a shame as it is a great sounding unit, took my system up a notch.
I highly recommend if anyone else out there has this unit/remote, buy a cheap URC-RF20 universal, or something similar (a learning remote) and transfer the codes over to it. Then stash the NuForce remote somewhere safe, as the build quality of it for day to day use is...shall we say, minimal.