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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Owner's Circles => Selah Audio Owners => Topic started by: Rick Craig on 8 Apr 2020, 02:49 am
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Though I didn’t know Jeff Bagby that well he and I go way back to the Madisound BBS of the 90’s. Jeff participated in a DIY speaker event I hosted in 2000 and we later met a few times in person to discuss audio and speaker design. As some of you know reading this Jeff was a well-respected engineer in both the automotive and audio fields. His speaker design software is used my many people today and will continue to be a part of his legacy.
As a tribute to Jeff and his contributions to the speaker industry (both DIY and commercial) I’m working on a speaker design that will be used to help provide for his family. Details of the fundraising part are a work in progress but once everything is finalized I’ll post here as well on some of the audio forums. In keeping of the spirit of Jeff’s previous work this will be an open design for any DIY builder to construct.
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What an awesome gesture Rick! Thank you!
Best,
Anand.
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I'm in! :thumb:
Thanks Rick
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We're going to have two options with an open-source kit that any DIY builder may construct. There will also be an assembled pair to raise funds for the family, possibly auctioned or raffled.
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Rick, if you figure out the auction or raffle thing for family, I might also donate a pair. Keep us posted as to progress.
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Rick, if you figure out the auction or raffle thing for family, I might also donate a pair. Keep us posted as to progress.
Great - let me know what you have in mind. Feel free to PM here or shoot me an email.
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Nice. Thank you.
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can't wait to hear more about this design
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Great idea Rick. Amazing how many members of the old Mad board went on to starting audio related businesses and contributing to the knowledge base on a much wider scale.
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Great idea Rick. Amazing how many members of the old Mad board went on to starting audio related businesses and contributing to the knowledge base on a much wider scale.
True - that was a great collection of people. The test cabinet and drivers arrive here tomorrow. I'm looking forward to working on this project.
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Article link courtesy poseidonsvoice...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/07/he-wore-superman-shirt-after-surviving-kidney-failure-he-couldnt-beat-coronavirus/
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Article link courtesy poseidonsvoice...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/07/he-wore-superman-shirt-after-surviving-kidney-failure-he-couldnt-beat-coronavirus/
Thanks for linking that article Rich. When are audio meetings allowed? :wink:
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Thanks to Anand
When are audio meetings allowed? :wink:
Soon! :thumb:
How's Jeff's "Superman Speaker" coming along?
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Thanks to Anand
Soon! :thumb:
How's Jeff's "Superman Speaker" coming along?
I'm finished with the crossover - just waiting on the cabinets. I would love to get your opinion on the sound.
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Anytime
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Rick,
Thank you for doing this.
Can you share with us whether this is a two-way or three-way design?
Michael
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Rick,
Thank you for doing this.
Can you share with us whether this is a two-way or three-way design?
Michael
It's a stand-mounted 3-way. Jeff had already designed many 2-ways and I wanted to avoid being repetitive.
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Crossover boards before adding wiring and trimming the leads...
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=209234)
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Jeff Bagby's passing has impacted the DIY Audio and Audio community in many ways. Rick has shared some of his thoughts and wanted to create a Tribute speaker for Jeff. Link to Tribute thread https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=169223.0 (https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=169223.0) The proceeds through a speaker raffle of this build will be donated to the Bagby family. Kevin is a true artist and is able to use CAD and CNC to realize his vision. I found these images to be extremely impressive and wanted to share them with this group. They are posted on Facebook and I realize not everyone follows that platform.
So prepare to be amazed...
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210030)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210031)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210032)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210033)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210034)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210035)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210036)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210038)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210039)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210040)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210041)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210042)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210043)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210044)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210045)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210046)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210047)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210048)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210049)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210050)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210051)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210052)
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:drool:
Call me amazed. :thumb:
Has Rick announced how this raffle (or ???) will proceed?
Michael
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Fantastic looking, and I'll bet measuring/sounding, speakers!
(Go win 'em, Michael.)
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Those look fantastic! :thumb:
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Stunning and elegant. I can’t stop staring at that veneer work.
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Wow, great job. I love the veneer.
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I"ll be sure to keep the group posted on the progress of the raffle. In the meantime, I see a lot of interest in the veneering of these speakers and will post a bit about that process. This is all coming from Kevin Kendrick. :popcorn:
The second stack from the left is the material this set of cabinets was built from. I purchased four pieces, consecutive so they could be bookmatched. For reference, each piece is 6" wide and 94" long. Prices vary depending on quality, this lot's price was $9.50 per square foot. Total for the fours sheets came out to $160.00, very reasonable IMO considering the color and character. By far, some of the most beautiful veneer I've worked with to date.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210078)
I've bookmatched a few times now. IMO, the veneer needs to be as flat as possible for good book matches. You can buy softeners or you can make your own. Found a recipe online a couple of years ago, it has worked well for me. 6 parts distilled water, 3 parts denatured alchohol, 1 part glycerin
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210079)
Found this tip online sometime back and it makes a world of difference when crosscutting veneer. Lightly dampen the veneer with a wet cloth along your cut line, both sides. Before I found this tip, I almost always fractured the veneer towards the end I was pulling towards with the veneer saw (pictured next). Haven't had any issues since incorporating this into my routine. This tip is really only needed for crosscuts, cuts with the grain are much easier.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210080)
In this case, I needed to retain as much of the original width as possible. Two consecutive pieces of the veneer were crosscut to length first and then stacked on top of each other for the rip cut. I prefer a piece of MDF as the straight edge to guide with, no chance of it damaging my veneer saw blade. The little handsaw can be purchased from numerous places online. I like to support small business owners when I can and get most of my tools and supplies from Veneer Supplies.com. Here is a link to the saw.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210081)
It's very easy to lose track of which piece came from which piece of veneer. I mark my individual sheets to help me keep them oriented and tied together. In the picture above, the two pieces came from sheet number 3 and sheet number 4 (top corners are marked). Although you would think as long as these two pieces stayed together, it wouldn't matter which side was up and which side was down. There's a definite difference in the character of the wood when flipped over and it doesn't line up as well one way vs the other. Picture on the right is the same two pieces as on the left but flipped over to see the back side.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210082)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210083)
Once I had two sets, I placed them on a piece of scrap cardboard and sprayed them down with the softener. Wet one side, immediately flip and wet the other side. If you try to saturate the veneer from one side only, it will curl and buckle worse. After they've sat 5-10 minutes soaking up the softener, I'll blot up any remaining puddles and then proceed to put them between two boards to be clamped flat. BTW, if it's not obvious by the second picture, this is when you would usually get a really good idea of what the veneer will look like once finished. The oranges and reds in this lot are incredible
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210084)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210085)
I use a couple of 2" thick boards (we use this stuff at the shop). The same can be accomplished with multiple sheets of MDF or a combination of other materials, just needs to be reasonably flat. Brown paper like they used to make grocery sacks from is used to dry out the veneer. You can purchase a roll of the the brown paper from Home Depot. Cut it to size to match your boards. Place a couple of sheets on bottom and then your first set of veneer (next pic). Cover that with a single sheet of paper and then place your next set of veneer on top of that.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210086)
Two pieces end to end. Cover with a single sheet of the brown paper and then repeat the process for the next set of veneer. I usually limit my number of veneer layers to three. Once you have finished the layers, make sure the top has two sheets of paper (just like the bottom did). That will prevent a lot of the moisture from getting into your flattening boards.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210087)
Clamp for a few hours and open it back up to inspect for moisture. If needed, replace the paper and clamp for additional time until they are dry.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210088)
Here is a close up of one of the sidewall sets. There are a couple of splits about an inch left and right of the edges that will get worse if I don't soften and flatten this veneer. Can't even attempt to straighten the book match edges until this stuff is treated. Otherwise, the splits will grow. Once these were flattened, I added additional tape over the splits to prevent any glue from coming through and to help prevent any further expansion of the splits.
Ok guys, that's about enough for tonight, I'll try to add more tomorrow.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210089)
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Outstanding work.
I'll be interested in the raffle when it is announced.
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Love this kind of stuff.
And the CNC router is fabulous. Folks, I don't know if you recognize it but that machine is working in 5 axes cutting that miter for the baffle.
One day maybe I'll embrace Facebook. Yet another rabbit hole for my addictive nature to go running down...
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Love this kind of stuff.
And the CNC router is fabulous. Folks, I don't know if you recognize it but that machine is working in 5 axes cutting that miter for the baffle.
One day maybe I'll embrace Facebook. Yet another rabbit hole for my addictive nature to go running down...
You can see Kevin's 5 way CNC in action here on a different project https://youtu.be/tgNVLO0mr1Y (https://youtu.be/tgNVLO0mr1Y)
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Beautiful work (I'll be looking to see when the raffle is announced too). I always admire people with skills. Just not my skill set. If I did any anything of an artistic nature, it would belong on the fridge with a magnet.
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:drool:
Call me amazed. :thumb:
Has Rick announced how this raffle (or ???) will proceed?
Michael
Originally I thought a raffle might be possible using GoFundMe; however, like many other fundraising sites they don't allow raffles. I'm open to suggestions.
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Oh. Well. I don't have any experience with this either. How do businesses hold raffles? Does an attorney need to be involved?
The money could be placed in an escrow account with a record of who purchased how many shares. The attorney (I presume?) would keep track of things. Once all shares are sold, a winner is picked by using a drawing (paper, chits, or electronically?), but there would have to be total transparency. [I'd volunteer to do everything, but when (not if :thankyou:) I declared myself the winner, some folks might not accept that I was completely honest. :nono:]
Seriously though, have you determined the likely value of these speakers? How much will each share cost - $50, $100, $250, more?
Those are my thoughts or questions. Can anyone else think of ideas? Has anyone here held raffles before?
Michael
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Should probably take a look at info like this: https://www.fundraiserhelp.com/fundraising-raffles.htm#:~:text= Fundraising Raffle Regulations ,tickets because sales... More
Maybe an auction through a third-party website with the money being donated at the end would be a better way to go. Just a thought
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Don't know anything about online raffle sites but there is stuff like:
https://rallyup.com/raffles/
https://chance2win.org/
https://www.wikihow.com/Do-an-Online-Raffle
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/raffle-picker/9wzdncrfjkfh?activetab=pivot:overviewtab
and I'm sure lots of others
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State laws do apply. Unless I’m misunderstanding the law in NC, where Rick lives, a raffle can only be conducted by a nonprofit, as below. And as much as some of us think of Selah as an ‘educational’ organization and by some, even as a ‘religion’ onto itself, I doubt NC state would think of Pastor Craig’s business as a true nonprofit.
https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByArticle/Chapter_14/Article_37.html
14-309.15. Raffles.
(a) It is lawful for any nonprofit organization, candidate, political committee, or any government entity within the State, to conduct raffles in accordance with this section. Each regional or county chapter of a nonprofit organization is eligible to conduct raffles in accordance with this section independently of its parent organization. Any person who conducts a raffle in violation of any provision of this section is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. Upon conviction that person shall not conduct a raffle for a period of one year. It is lawful to participate in a raffle conducted pursuant to this section. It is not a violation of State law to advertise a raffle conducted in accordance with this section. A raffle conducted pursuant to this section is not "gambling." For the purpose of this section, "candidate" and "political committee" have the meaning provided by Article 22A of Chapter 163 of the General Statutes, who have filed organization reports under that Article, and who are in good standing with the appropriate board of elections. Receipts and expenditures of a raffle by a candidate or political committee shall be reported in accordance with Article 22A of Chapter 163 of the General Statutes, and ticket purchases are contributions within the meaning of that Article.
(b) For purposes of this section "raffle" means a game in which the prize is won by random drawing of the name or number of one or more persons purchasing chances.
(c) A nonprofit organization may hold no more than four raffles per year.
(d) Except as provided in subsection (g) of this section, the maximum cash prize that may be offered or paid for any one raffle is one hundred twenty-five thousand dollars ($125,000) and if merchandise is used as a prize, and it is not redeemable for cash, the maximum fair market value of that prize may be one hundred twenty-five thousand dollars ($125,000). The total cash prizes offered or paid by any nonprofit organization shall not exceed two hundred fifty thousand dollars ($250,000) in any calendar year. The total fair market value of all prizes offered by any nonprofit organization, either in cash or in merchandise that is not redeemable for cash, shall not exceed two hundred fifty thousand dollars ($250,000) in any calendar year.
(e) Raffles shall not be conducted in conjunction with bingo.
(f) As used in this subsection, "net proceeds of a raffle" means the receipts less the cost of prizes awarded. No less than ninety percent (90%) of the net proceeds of a raffle shall be used by the nonprofit organization for charitable, religious, educational, civic, or other nonprofit purposes. None of the net proceeds of the raffle shall be used to pay any person to conduct the raffle, or to rent a building where the tickets are received or sold or the drawing is conducted.
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I think https://rallyup.com/ (https://rallyup.com/) looks to be a good option. If we do it right other people could donate additional items and it could be an event like atmosphere. Happy to help any capacity needed. Jeff was always a super approachable gentlemen.
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State laws do apply. Unless I’m misunderstanding the law in NC, where Rick lives, a raffle can only be conducted by a nonprofit, as below. And as much as some of us think of Selah as an ‘educational’ organization and by some, even as a ‘religion’ onto itself, I doubt NC state would think of Pastor Craig’s business as a true nonprofit.
https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByArticle/Chapter_14/Article_37.html
14-309.15. Raffles.
(a) It is lawful for any nonprofit organization, candidate, political committee, or any government entity within the State, to conduct raffles in accordance with this section. Each regional or county chapter of a nonprofit organization is eligible to conduct raffles in accordance with this section independently of its parent organization. Any person who conducts a raffle in violation of any provision of this section is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. Upon conviction that person shall not conduct a raffle for a period of one year. It is lawful to participate in a raffle conducted pursuant to this section. It is not a violation of State law to advertise a raffle conducted in accordance with this section. A raffle conducted pursuant to this section is not "gambling." For the purpose of this section, "candidate" and "political committee" have the meaning provided by Article 22A of Chapter 163 of the General Statutes, who have filed organization reports under that Article, and who are in good standing with the appropriate board of elections. Receipts and expenditures of a raffle by a candidate or political committee shall be reported in accordance with Article 22A of Chapter 163 of the General Statutes, and ticket purchases are contributions within the meaning of that Article.
(b) For purposes of this section "raffle" means a game in which the prize is won by random drawing of the name or number of one or more persons purchasing chances.
(c) A nonprofit organization may hold no more than four raffles per year.
(d) Except as provided in subsection (g) of this section, the maximum cash prize that may be offered or paid for any one raffle is one hundred twenty-five thousand dollars ($125,000) and if merchandise is used as a prize, and it is not redeemable for cash, the maximum fair market value of that prize may be one hundred twenty-five thousand dollars ($125,000). The total cash prizes offered or paid by any nonprofit organization shall not exceed two hundred fifty thousand dollars ($250,000) in any calendar year. The total fair market value of all prizes offered by any nonprofit organization, either in cash or in merchandise that is not redeemable for cash, shall not exceed two hundred fifty thousand dollars ($250,000) in any calendar year.
(e) Raffles shall not be conducted in conjunction with bingo.
(f) As used in this subsection, "net proceeds of a raffle" means the receipts less the cost of prizes awarded. No less than ninety percent (90%) of the net proceeds of a raffle shall be used by the nonprofit organization for charitable, religious, educational, civic, or other nonprofit purposes. None of the net proceeds of the raffle shall be used to pay any person to conduct the raffle, or to rent a building where the tickets are received or sold or the drawing is conducted.
Thanks for looking this up. An auction looks to be the way to go.
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State laws do apply. Unless I’m misunderstanding the law in NC, where Rick lives, a raffle can only be conducted by a nonprofit, as below. And as much as some of us think of Selah as an ‘educational’ organization and by some, even as a ‘religion’ onto itself, I doubt NC state would think of Pastor Craig’s business as a true nonprofit.
Just because the speakers are being built in NC doesn't mean the raffle has to be held here.
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Thanks for looking this up. An auction looks to be the way to go.
All proceeds to Jeff's spouse?
My bid:
$1K
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Just because the speakers are being built in NC doesn't mean the raffle has to be held here.
True, but most states have similar laws and regulations.
Cheers,
Lester
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Could you not do something like the Karma circle.
Everyone who gets to pick a number has to have proof of donating a designated amount on
the gofundme site to Jeff. That way there is no monies per say directly involved.
If I remember correctly, you can look on the gofundme site to confirm donation.
Don
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Just because the speakers are being built in NC doesn't mean the raffle has to be held here.
Yes, but I'm the one responsible for making sure everything is done above board. Those of us that remember the AV123 scam raffles know how things can go wrong.
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Yes, but I'm the one responsible for making sure everything is done above board. Those of us that remember the AV123 scam raffles know how things can go wrong.
I've known of AV123 speakers for about 5 or 6 years, but <until now> had no idea of the scandal. :o
Definitely want to avoid something like this.
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All proceeds to Jeff's spouse?
My bid:
$1K
That's a great start - thanks!
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Is this a raffle or an auction?
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Hi Guys! Thanks for the kind words on the cabinets. Just wanted to join this conversation and state my opinion.
My vote is for a raffle. An auction doesn't allow everyone to contribute, it narrows it down to three people; Rick, myself, and the winning bidder. I had hoped this could be about showing Christine and her son how much Jeff meant to the community, and by that I mean the entire community could participate by making a contribution.
Here's my idea: Rick sets up a "GoFundMe" account for Jeff's family. Upon making a donation, you'll receive an email receipt of your donation/payment. Email a copy of that to Rick for a raffle ticket. Surely this could work. Anyone who knows Rick knows he's a straight up good guy and there's no chance of any kind of hanky-panky in the raffle. Rick would need to set an "end" date for the fundraiser, once that date arrives, the raffle ticket would be drawn and the speakers would be shipped to the lucky winner. What do you guys think?
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No reflection on anybody but it seems based on the information provided that would not be legal. If it needs to be promoted here, please find another way. Thank you.
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Hi Guys! Thanks for the kind words on the cabinets. Just wanted to join this conversation and state my opinion.
My vote is for a raffle. An auction doesn't allow everyone to contribute, it narrows it down to three people; Rick, myself, and the winning bidder. I had hoped this could be about showing Christine and her son how much Jeff meant to the community, and by that I mean the entire community could participate by making a contribution.
Here's my idea: Rick sets up a "GoFundMe" account for Jeff's family. Upon making a donation, you'll receive an email receipt of your donation/payment. Email a copy of that to Rick for a raffle ticket. Surely this could work. Anyone who knows Rick knows he's a straight up good guy and there's no chance of any kind of hanky-panky in the raffle. Rick would need to set an "end" date for the fundraiser, once that date arrives, the raffle ticket would be drawn and the speakers would be shipped to the lucky winner. What do you guys think?
This sounds super sketchy given that it is set up to purposely subvert federal/state tax and gambling laws. Also it's probably against GoFundMe's TOS, and the transactions through GoFundMe could easily be shut down and refunded leaving Jeff's widow with no contributions. Rick would be smart to keep it a simple auction.
Regarding who is contributing, I understand where you are coming from. However, limiting the parties in this transaction would be ideal. If a person wins the auction, then it is only up to him/her and Rick to fulfill their obligations and any issues/disputes stay between two people. Running a raffle, involving multiple people and multiple states, would be more costly to do properly; otherwise, one individual could derail the whole thing.
If anyone wants to show Christine and her son how much Jeff meant to the community, there is an existing GoFundMe https://www.gofundme.com/f/JeffBagby
I just donated.
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Did he belong to a church? They are usually eligible and could run a raffle to benefit his family.
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This sounds super sketchy given that it is set up to purposely subvert federal/state tax and gambling laws. Also it's probably against GoFundMe's TOS, and the transactions through GoFundMe could easily be shut down and refunded leaving Jeff's widow with no contributions. Rick would be smart to keep it a simple auction.
Regarding who is contributing, I understand where you are coming from. However, limiting the parties in this transaction would be ideal. If a person wins the auction, then it is only up to him/her and Rick to fulfill their obligations and any issues/disputes stay between two people. Running a raffle, involving multiple people and multiple states, would be more costly to do properly; otherwise, one individual could derail the whole thing.
If anyone wants to show Christine and her son how much Jeff meant to the community, there is an existing GoFundMe https://www.gofundme.com/f/JeffBagby
I just donated.
After speaking to Rick again last night, he explained how this wouldn't be possible through the current rules and regulations of Go Fund Me. I certainly wasn't suggesting we try to break any laws. It appears the best option is an auction. It's up to Rick from here, I'll be turning the cabinets over to him early next week.
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Is this a raffle or an auction?
Please see my response below.
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This sounds super sketchy given that it is set up to purposely subvert federal/state tax and gambling laws. Also it's probably against GoFundMe's TOS, and the transactions through GoFundMe could easily be shut down and refunded leaving Jeff's widow with no contributions. Rick would be smart to keep it a simple auction.
Regarding who is contributing, I understand where you are coming from. However, limiting the parties in this transaction would be ideal. If a person wins the auction, then it is only up to him/her and Rick to fulfill their obligations and any issues/disputes stay between two people. Running a raffle, involving multiple people and multiple states, would be more costly to do properly; otherwise, one individual could derail the whole thing.
If anyone wants to show Christine and her son how much Jeff meant to the community, there is an existing GoFundMe https://www.gofundme.com/f/JeffBagby
I just donated.
I've contacted Jeff's wife and asked if her church would be willing to host the raffle. If not, we will have an online auction.
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Did he belong to a church? They are usually eligible and could run a raffle to benefit his family.
Yes and that's a great suggestion. I've contacted Jeff's wife to ask if that's possible.
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Awesome! I hope it works out. :D
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There will also be a kit (minus cabinets) launched soon by Meniscus Audio.
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My idea was nothing more than an idea. It was not intended "to purposely subvert federal/state tax and gambling laws."
A little harsh and at least I had an idea. It has been suggested to go through a church. Here again an idea and I hope
it works. Wouldn't the federal/state tax and gambling laws have to do with the people sponsoring profiting from the event? Don't think
Mr. Craig is going to see any profit from this so what kind of taxes would he have?
If it were me I'd contact gofundme and consult with them rather than just guess there might be a problem. It's not like someone
is trying to pull the wool over every ones eyes here.
And I donated when Jeff was still around.
Don
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I've contacted Jeff's wife and asked if her church would be willing to host the raffle. If not, we will have an online auction.
Those options seem like the best way to go.
Plus, the Meniscus kit with some proceeds going to Jeff's family is a nice sustaining benefit of your effort.
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Or you could just sell it yourself saying that the money will be donated. That seems simple enough considering what you can charge a decent price for it using a highest offer.
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A decade ago, Dynaudio auctioned a pair loudspeakers, a limited edition run in a unique sapphire blue stained high gloss timber finish. All proceeds went to Médecins Sans Frontières, which, for those uninitiated, is a charity that deploys doctors to areas of most need, and the doctors either work pro bono, or take a meagre salary to afford shelter, food, clothing etc.
It was a nice gesture from Dynaudio, and got the company some media exposure.
But the outcome was that the auction had 5 bids and the winning bid was only about 50% of the MSRP.
But the winner picked up for a limited edition speaker- for which only 30 were ever made in this Sapphire Blue finish!
So MSF got a small cheque. Less that what a dealer could have sold it for.
My point is, this was not an ideal outcome for MSF.
If we are to attempt to raise the most funds for Jeff’s spouse, I think the mechanism- raffle or auction or other, is not so important, as to raising the MOST funds for Jeff’s spouse.
I wonder if Rick & Kevin can you set a reserve for the auction, or minimum number of raffle tickets? And reserve right to cancel.
It would be shame if this endeavour only raised a 1000, or less, for Jeff’s spouse. Not to mention to honour the work of Jeff (RIP), thoughtfulness, dedication and hard work of Rick and Kevin- we’d want to raise an $2K, $4K or $8K or higher, no?
The ends should justify the means, in this case.
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^^^^ Good post ^^^^
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The appeal of a raffle is that many can afford to purchase a chance to own something that may not otherwise be in the cards financially. All the while contributing to a noble cause. I suppose the challenge comes in promoting to an extent that raffle ticket proceeds reflect, at a minimum, the true value of the speakers and potentially a lot more than that for Jeff's family.
It's a shame that the simple implementation of such a thing seems to be fraught with pitfalls, both legal and moral.
For my own clarity, will these be empty (albeit beautiful) boxes or completed speakers?
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"I wonder if Rick & Kevin can you set a reserve for the auction, or minimum number of raffle tickets? And reserve right to cancel".
What would happen to some who donated for a chance to win the speakers and then the raffle never happened.
Would they feel dupped?
Don
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The appeal of a raffle is that many can afford to purchase a chance to own something that may not otherwise be in the cards financially. All the while contributing to a noble cause. I suppose the challenge comes in promoting to an extent that raffle ticket proceeds reflect, at a minimum, the true value of the speakers and potentially a lot more than that for Jeff's family.
It's a shame that the simple implementation of such a thing seems to be fraught with pitfalls, both legal and moral.
For my own clarity, will these be empty (albeit beautiful) boxes or completed speakers?
I totally agree with everything you've stated here Peter. To be honest, I never gave much thought to the "how", whether it be a Go Fund Me, Raffle, Auction, etc. as I knew Rick would be handling that part. Can't speak for Rick for sure on this, but I don't think either of us anticipated how complicated it would be to achieve what we had in mind.
To answer your question, once I send the cabinets to Rick, he'll load them with the drivers and crossovers and they'll be given away as a completed set. Only thing the end user may have to supply is the stands, depending on where they decide to locate the speakers.
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A decade ago, Dynaudio auctioned a pair loudspeakers, a limited edition run in a unique sapphire blue stained high gloss timber finish. All proceeds went to Médecins Sans Frontières, which, for those uninitiated, is a charity that deploys doctors to areas of most need, and the doctors either work pro bono, or take a meagre salary to afford shelter, food, clothing etc.
It was a nice gesture from Dynaudio, and got the company some media exposure.
But the outcome was that the auction had 5 bids and the winning bid was only about 50% of the MSRP.
But the winner picked up for a limited edition speaker- for which only 30 were ever made in this Sapphire Blue finish!
So MSF got a small cheque. Less that what a dealer could have sold it for.
My point is, this was not an ideal outcome for MSF.
If we are to attempt to raise the most funds for Jeff’s spouse, I think the mechanism- raffle or auction or other, is not so important, as to raising the MOST funds for Jeff’s spouse.
I wonder if Rick & Kevin can you set a reserve for the auction, or minimum number of raffle tickets? And reserve right to cancel.
It would be shame if this endeavour only raised a 1000, or less, for Jeff’s spouse. Not to mention to honour the work of Jeff (RIP), thoughtfulness, dedication and hard work of Rick and Kevin- we’d want to raise an $2K, $4K or $8K or higher, no?
The ends should justify the means, in this case.
Thanks for sharing the Dynaudio story. Obviously we would like to raise as much money as possible. An auction would have a minimum bid.
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A stand mount 3 way.
Have you disclosed the drivers?
Have you posted any measurements?
A great gesture and project.
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A stand mount 3 way.
Have you disclosed the drivers?
Have you posted any measurements?
A great gesture and project.
here is a build link you can follow:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/build-of-rick-craig%E2%80%99s-integrity-speaker.14089/
It is stated the kits will be up on the Meniscus site sometime this week.
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A stand mount 3 way.
Have you disclosed the drivers?
Have you posted any measurements?
A great gesture and project.
The drivers are the Dayton ES180TiA-8, SB Acoustics SB10PGC21-4, and SB Acoustics SB21SDC-C000-4. Here are the measurements for the prototype. These were done in-room with no gating and 1/12th octave smoothing; as a result, there's some room effects but it captures the low end extension more accurately.
I've also included a measurement at .5M (20") to show how well the drivers integrate versus the standard 1M (40"). With the smooth vertical dispersion this is also a great nearfield monitor. The impedance is 7 ohms / nominal and 5.5 ohms/minimum.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210552)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210553)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210554)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210555)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210556)
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thanks....looks good.
Very nice to see the Kind Gesture & efforts from one & all.
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I haven't noticed any updates on the raffle or bidding for this speaker. Does anyone know what's happening?
Michael
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I haven't noticed any updates on the raffle or bidding for this speaker. Does anyone know what's happening?
Michael
I'm working with Jeff's wife to determine what we can do. I'll post more information when it becomes available.
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Hi Rick, do you know if any of Jeff's finished speakers are for sale?
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Hi Rick, do you know if any of Jeff's finished speakers are for sale?
I don't think so. There is a pair that one of his family members has donated for an auction or raffle.
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The Integrity shipped out today to Amir at Audio Science Review. :thumb:
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nice, hopefully a good review can generate interest and sales. Maybe your purifi speaker can be next. Call it Caviar because the woofer is so damn expensive ;)
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nice, hopefully a good review can generate interest and sales. Maybe your purifi speaker can be next. Call it Caviar because the woofer is so damn expensive ;)
I'm working on a few Purifi designs right now. :D
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When you finish the Purifi designs I'd be curious if you could post your impressions on how that driver compares to the Scan-Speak, SB Acoustics and other premium mid woofs you have experience with.
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When you finish the Purifi designs I'd be curious if you could post your impressions on how that driver compares to the Scan-Speak, SB Acoustics and other premium mid woofs you have experience with.
I have the cabinets being built right now and have already done some listening with a 2-way test box. It's better than the SB Acoustics Satori MW16 and Scan-Speak Illuminators in terms of a smoother response and dynamic capability.
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I saw you pairing it with the BZ planar ribbon like your Anniversario model uses.. can't wait to see your new designs.. it might be the push I need to finally learn to use my saw and router :D
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I'm working with Jeff's wife to determine what we can do. I'll post more information when it becomes available.
Hi Rick,
Any updates on this?
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Hi Rick,
Any updates on this?
Kevin has been overloaded with work on his day job and hasn't completed the cabinets yet.
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https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/selah-integrity-diy-speaker-kit-review.15695/