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Title: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Diamond Dog on 21 Aug 2011, 03:47 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50288)

Yet another sign of the coming Apocalypse...

Loutallica - scheduled release date November 1

D.D.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 21 Aug 2011, 03:57 am
Take a walk on the wild side... :lol:

http://www.loureed.com/news/loutallica/
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: kingdeezie on 21 Aug 2011, 03:59 am
I'll keep an open mind on this one. My initial reaction of Metallica and a full orchestra was one of heavy skepticism, but S&M was pretty decent.

Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Matty_J on 23 Aug 2011, 11:48 pm
Yeah I like S+M by Metallica, but initially didn't think it could work.  I can't imagine why Metallica would invest in something that wouldn't work like this project...we'll see..
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Bob in St. Louis on 24 Aug 2011, 12:25 am
Somebody send it to me, I'll let you know what I think.  :thumb:
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Bob in St. Louis on 24 Aug 2011, 12:27 pm
Metallica with Lou Reed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuYcbEYbN_A&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Mike Nomad on 24 Aug 2011, 01:25 pm
This could be really cool... Another evolutionary step for Lou, and a much needed change for Metallica.

Metallica has never sounded/played better than the current line-up, but the writing has been absolute shite for years. Hopefully, a dose of Lou will provide the necessary fix repair.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: neekomax on 24 Aug 2011, 02:40 pm
Metallica with Lou Reed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuYcbEYbN_A&feature=player_embedded

Wait, you mean that Lou and the Metallica doods were like, 'man, we need to make more of THIS magic' after performing that horrible mess?

Oh.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Bob in St. Louis on 24 Aug 2011, 03:46 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: SlushPuppy on 24 Aug 2011, 04:34 pm
Metallica with Lou Reed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuYcbEYbN_A&feature=player_embedded

That's almost unlistenable.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Mike Nomad on 24 Aug 2011, 06:43 pm
That's almost unlistenable.

I guess you haven't listened to Lou's Metal Machine Music. There is an instance where vinyl heads win.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: neekomax on 24 Aug 2011, 06:50 pm
I guess you haven't listened to Lou's Metal Machine Music. There is an instance where vinyl heads win.

Nope, haven't heard it. Hope it's better than that youtube clip.

Metallica, IMO, were at their best during the Master of Puppets / ...And Justice For All era. They were a tight machine, just technical enough to be interesting, but with the soul of a great band, and they were writing about really good topics in a way that flowed naturally. There's nothing about them at their best that brings to mind or calls for what Lou Reed does. It's just a weird concept to me.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Bob in St. Louis on 25 Aug 2011, 01:05 am
I like Metallica, and had a couple "fond thoughts" of Lou Reed from a few decades ago.
So the idea was pretty cool for me.

Then I heard the YouTube clip. It was fantastic......until Lou opened his pie hole.   :o

Oh...my...gawd.  :duh:

Bob
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Diamond Dog on 25 Aug 2011, 01:26 am
Metal Machine Music is something which needs to be experienced just so that when someone starts raving about how "out there" a band's latest work is, you have some frame of reference. It's like sticking your head into a printing press. For an hour or so. Mr. Reed as artiste/ agent provocateur as opposed to Mr. Reed as street poet or gritty raconteur or chronicler of a side of life us normies never experience first-hand like the Warhol Factory. Or yet another Lou Reed who could write simple touching songs about simple everyday things we all experience- the joys of having a happy home to go to, the anger we feel when confronted by injustice and hypocracy or the death of someone you are close to. It's the times where he goes into artiste mode where the sledding gets tough - Metal Machine Music or The Raven. This new project sounds like all this and the proverbial bag o'chips...songs from a musical he wrote and performed in Europe. But backed by Metallica...what could go wrong ?

Perhaps Homer Simpson said it best : "Nuts and gum - together at last!"

D.D.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Mitsuman on 25 Aug 2011, 01:44 am
I wanna know how James Hetfield isn't going to just go off and kick Lou Reed's ass.  :lol:
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: SlushPuppy on 25 Aug 2011, 02:11 am
Metal Machine Music is something which needs to be experienced just so that when someone starts raving about how "out there" a band's latest work is, you have some frame of reference.

I'd rather climb a mountain made of broken beer bottles than listen to those Amazon samples again - and I love weird music. The only albums I've owned that were 'almost' as bad were "The Whitey Album" by Ciccone Youth (Sonic Youth's experimental side-project) and Pat Metheny's "Zero Tolerance for Silence" - both of which can be traced back to Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth - who I greatly admire. Both were tossed in the trash to prevent some unlucky individual from picking them up in a used CD bin thinking they found some kind of long forgotten musical gem. This Metallica/Lou Reed project - I'd rather eat my own stool than listen to this garbage. Just sayin'
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: SlushPuppy on 25 Aug 2011, 02:18 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50288)

Looks like the cover of "Weekend at Bernie's" to me.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mVZdur0oL.jpg)
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: neekomax on 25 Aug 2011, 02:29 am
I'd rather climb a mountain made of broken beer bottles than listen to those Amazon samples again - and I love weird music. The only albums I've owned that were 'almost' as bad were "The Whitey Album" by Ciccone Youth (Sonic Youth's experimental side-project) and Pat Metheny's "Zero Tolerance for Silence" - both of which can be traced back to Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth - who I greatly admire. Both were tossed in the trash to prevent some unlucky individual from picking them up in a used CD bin thinking they found some kind of long forgotten musical gem. This Metallica/Lou Reed project - I'd rather eat my own stool than listen to this garbage. Just sayin'

So wait, could you be clear on whether or not you liked it?

 :lol:
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: SlushPuppy on 25 Aug 2011, 02:42 am
So wait, could you be clear on whether or not you liked it?

 :lol:

Ummmm, I don't think so. I gave myself a migraine writing my previous comment. Or maybe it was those music samples  :scratch:
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Diamond Dog on 25 Aug 2011, 03:30 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50288)

Looks like the cover of "Weekend at Bernie's" to me.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mVZdur0oL.jpg)

Except it's less clear as to who is propping up who...Hell, let's call it a draw and go get a drink.

D.D.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: nathanm on 25 Aug 2011, 02:43 pm
Okay, so maybe I have no Lou Reed context to draw from, but that singing sounds like bad karaoke to me.  But put this performance in the context of a high school talent show and now you've got something.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Bob in St. Louis on 25 Aug 2011, 03:17 pm
There was a song back in the eighties he did that made the rounds on the radio stations called "Take a Walk on the Wild Side", or something similar.

Bob
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Mike Nomad on 25 Aug 2011, 04:52 pm
There was a song back in the eighties he did that made the rounds on the radio stations called "Take a Walk on the Wild Side", or something similar.

Bob

Walk On The Wild Side - 1972.

It was used in a Honda Scooter commercial (in which Lou does a cameo) sometime in the early 80s.

(and)

It was a Top-20 single in 1973.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: neekomax on 25 Aug 2011, 05:07 pm
Nothing wrong with Lou, he's a legend for being a rocker who was true to himself, and could write. I see him around town here and there, actually, sort of a neighbor of mine. He's a cool dude. He's got some great tunes too, my favorite being "Coney Island Daydream".

And like I said before, Metallica was awesome for a good 10 years. 

It's just that, this couldn't possibly work. I'd take Metallica and Fred Flintsone, or Lou Reed with the Archies before this combo.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: nathanm on 25 Aug 2011, 05:19 pm
There was a song back in the eighties he did that made the rounds on the radio stations called "Take a Walk on the Wild Side", or something similar.

Bob
Oh yeah, that one.  I felt it was a little racist, because there were times when I wanted to go *do do do dododo do do do dododo do* but I couldn't cause I wasn't a colored girl.  But then Sting offered to let me go *da doo doo doo da da da da* which was acceptable, but not quite the same.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: bunnyma357 on 25 Aug 2011, 05:53 pm
Oh yeah, that one.  I felt it was a little racist, because there were times when I wanted to go *do do do dododo do do do dododo do* but I couldn't cause I wasn't a colored girl.  But then Sting offered to let me go *da doo doo doo da da da da* which was acceptable, but not quite the same.

Also includes one of the few direct references to oral sex in top 40 radio of the day.

Lou's never been much of a singer, but is a great rhythm guitarist who surrounds himself with other good musicians  -  Hunter/Wagner, Robert Quine, Fernando Saunders, etc.



Jim C

Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Rclark on 26 Aug 2011, 12:30 am
This is an absolute disaster, but then again, I never really listen to Metallica anymore. I own all their albums, and will ocassionally play one, and they're always good, but there is just so much more metal out there now to try, and bands that are a lot more talented as well. I'll never part with my Metallica collection,and, "And Justice For All" stands in my top five metal albums, but I've just sort of moved on long ago.

 I checked the links with the Lou Reed and it was ghastly. Why couldn't they have gone with someone cool, say, Lemmy?

 I won't be picking up this album.

 
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Bob in St. Louis on 26 Aug 2011, 12:37 am
Yea, I agree. It's a train wreck for sure.
When you say "new metal", you're talking about __________?

There's a metal thread somewhere?

Bob
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Rclark on 26 Aug 2011, 01:17 am
No thread. I think metal is not a very popular subject here. Most audiophiles tend to have money, and people who tend to have money seem to not be very hip to metal. Which is unfortunate because many of the finest musicians on the planet are in metal bands.

That said, I have a huge collection and kinda keep up with what's going on so if you're curious about new stuff just pm me.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Bob in St. Louis on 26 Aug 2011, 01:21 am
Nah, there's an "audiophile metal" thread around here somewhere.

Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Bob in St. Louis on 26 Aug 2011, 01:25 am
Here's one, but it's not the one I was thinking of.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=85659.0
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Rclark on 26 Aug 2011, 01:32 am
Well that's encouraging  :thumb:
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Bob in St. Louis on 26 Aug 2011, 01:37 am
I give up. I've spent 30+ minutes looking for the thread. Can't find it.  :scratch:
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Rclark on 26 Aug 2011, 01:57 am
let's start a new one.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Diamond Dog on 26 Aug 2011, 03:21 am
let's start a new one.

Excellent idea, Mr. Clark. Done and done.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=97938.msg983046;topicseen#new

D.D.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: krikor on 26 Aug 2011, 01:27 pm
Both were tossed in the trash to prevent some unlucky individual from picking them up in a used CD bin thinking they found some kind of long forgotten musical gem.

I didn't get so lucky with Metal Machine Music... picked it up for 2 bucks at a Border's Outlet some years ago thinking I like most of Lou's other albums, the early ones in particular, and VU stuff... so how could I go wrong?  Still have it and I guess for two bucks it's worth having around for those times I want to torment the cats and dog or get rid of unwelcome house guests.

But now remastered and available on vinyl, DVD and Blu-Ray in a four-channel mix? Really? I especially like this line of the description at the website:

"I myself bought a Linn to celebrate this great sound and am playing through Wilson Watts and Puppies. Hear as we did on Scott Hull’s Duntechs."

http://www.loureed.com/metalmachinemusic/ (http://www.loureed.com/metalmachinemusic/)
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Mike Nomad on 26 Aug 2011, 01:48 pm
But now remastered and available on vinyl, DVD and Blu-Ray in a four-channel mix? Really? I especially like this line of the description at the website:

http://www.loureed.com/metalmachinemusic/ (http://www.loureed.com/metalmachinemusic/)

Blu-ray?! I am so there. If only the Whitehouse catalog would get the same treatment...

Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: SteveFord on 10 Sep 2011, 02:23 am
The story I heard was that Lou didn't like the fans he'd picked up during the Rock 'N' Roll Animal period so he put out Metal Machine Music to get rid of them.
Evidently, years later it became popular with disaffected Japanese youths for some bizarre reason so in an interview he complimented the Japanese for appreciating Metal Machine Music for the masterpiece that it is! 

 "The perfect holiday gift for your loved one" says his web site - he's a funny guy.

I just remembered something: I believe that the first pressing of Metal Machine Music was purposely made with a skip at the end of Side 2 so it wouldn't shut off. 
He's a funny guy, all right.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: bentconvert on 27 Sep 2011, 03:09 pm
Here's the first song from the new album.

http://www.spin.com/articles/hear-lou-reed-and-metallicas-first-full-song?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=092711 (http://www.spin.com/articles/hear-lou-reed-and-metallicas-first-full-song?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=092711)
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: kingdeezie on 27 Sep 2011, 03:28 pm
Here's the first song from the new album.

http://www.spin.com/articles/hear-lou-reed-and-metallicas-first-full-song?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=092711 (http://www.spin.com/articles/hear-lou-reed-and-metallicas-first-full-song?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=092711)

Absolutely horrid.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: SlushPuppy on 27 Sep 2011, 03:41 pm
Absolutely horrid.

Stink sausage.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Mike Nomad on 27 Sep 2011, 08:58 pm
I just remembered something: I believe that the first pressing of Metal Machine Music was purposely made with a skip at the end of Side 2 so it wouldn't shut off. 
He's a funny guy, all right.

The track on (IIRC) side four was actually cut on the run-off groove, so people with a turntable that didn't have an auto-return tonearm would have infinite-like playback time (which is why there was an infinity loop on the jacket (I think)... I almost forgot, it was also released on 8-track tape. Infinite, indeed.

Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Diamond Dog on 28 Sep 2011, 02:16 am

Here's the first song from the new album.

http://www.spin.com/articles/hear-lou-reed-and-metallicas-first-full-song?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=092711 (http://www.spin.com/articles/hear-lou-reed-and-metallicas-first-full-song?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=092711)

Well now, wasn't that sumthin'! As Mike Tyson said to Jeffrey Ross during the recent Charlie Sheen Roast:  " Listening to you, I wanted to bite my own ears off..." 

D.D
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: SteveFord on 28 Dec 2011, 12:49 am
Ugh, negative review in Tone Magazine describing it as 94 minutes of turgid swill (or something along those lines).
Perhaps the upcoming Rock and Roll Animal/Abba collaboration will fare better.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: django11 on 28 Dec 2011, 03:21 am
I'd rather climb a mountain made of broken beer bottles than listen to those Amazon samples again[Metal Machine Music] - and I love weird music. The only albums I've owned that were 'almost' as bad were "The Whitey Album" by Ciccone Youth (Sonic Youth's experimental side-project) and Pat Metheny's "Zero Tolerance for Silence" - both of which can be traced back to Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth - who I greatly admire. Both were tossed in the trash to prevent some unlucky individual from picking them up in a used CD bin thinking they found some kind of long forgotten musical gem. This Metallica/Lou Reed project - I'd rather eat my own stool than listen to this garbage. Just sayin'

I wish I had  listened to those samples before buying tickets for Lou, Laurie Anderson and John Zorn at the Montreal Jazz Festival.  We walked out after two "songs".  Surprisingly a portion of the audience stayed.  I guess they had listened to the samples  :lol:.  It was extremely unpleasant and discordant noise.  Lou Reed walked, looked and played like a zombie.  We received complimentary tickets for another concert.
Title: Re: What Fresh Hell Is This?
Post by: Diamond Dog on 28 Dec 2011, 03:32 am
Ugh, negative review in Tone Magazine describing it as 94 minutes of turgid swill ...

Mmmmm....turgid swill... :lol:

D.D.