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Title: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 14 Feb 2020, 11:59 pm
My son purchased a pair of Wharfedale Evo 4.4 tower speakers 2 weeks ago after hearing them and falling in love with them at RMAF last September.  We both thought that the Wharfedale room with the Evo's was in our top 10 rooms.  They were paired with all Primare electronics and the sound was stunning for a $2K pair  of speaker.

The speakers have about 70 hours of break in about now and they have changed dramatically for the better.  I am stunned at how good these speakers are.  The large AMT tweeter creates such air and transparency without the slightest hint of harshness.  The top end is both detailed and smooth.  The mid range has good  texture and bass is powerful, tight with good slam. It is musical and deep.  Bass is only 48hz at +/- 3db and 38hz +/-6db but it sounds  much deeper thanks to the cabinet design and down firing port.  In fact, at RMAF many people that walked into the room were asking where the subwoofers were.  These speakers are a departure from the typical warm sound of Wharfedale although they do have a hint of warmth but are more closer to neutral.   They present an almost 3D sound that is resolving, airey, clear and detailed without losing mid range depth.

I am just astounded at how smooth and no fatiguing they sound.  My son auditioned KEF R5, 7 and 11's, Martin Logan XT's, Golden Ear speakers among others, and none had the combination of clarity, detail, resolution, smoothness and bass that the Wharfedales have.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: srb on 15 Feb 2020, 01:31 am
Bass is only 48hz at +/- 3db and 38hz +/-38db but it sounds  much deeper thanks to the cabinet design and down firing port.

38Hz @ -6dB
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 15 Feb 2020, 03:41 am
38Hz @ -6dB

Thanks for pointing out the typing error.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: maty on 15 Feb 2020, 08:40 am
Very interesting. In other forums, ASR, bunkbail LOVES the smaller Wharfedale Evo 4.2.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41czp7YRPQL._AC_.jpg)

With a chinese amp ensambled, LJM L12-2 that I advised for the money he was willing to spend.

-> https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/chinese-jl-hood-1969-class-a-amplifier-off-aliexpress.3372/post-269888


PS: There are still no measurements of any type of Wharfedale Evo  :(
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: maty on 15 Feb 2020, 10:24 am
After some video... I like more KEF R3 or the more expensive Reference 1 or Reference 7.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLleWZ74MYiSxG31BkmBnvQ/videos


New KEF R3: Sturdy, musical Bookshelf Speakers! (4K60fps)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYsuWnaciAo

Complex crossover with a lot of cheap components. Surely the sound can improve a lot!


KEF R5 playing Kenny G!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7RkEZK4sbI


Je, they need burn-in. Without bass. When I bought my cheap KEf Q100 they sounded without treble, I even thought about returning them. The coaxial suspension must be very rigid and needs many hours of burn-in. Maybe now new KEF models need less but obviously they need it!

KEF R5 playing Never!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JPx2xgfBSc
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: REY on 15 Feb 2020, 02:44 pm
Saving my pennies for a pair of these for sure, is that real wood veneer?
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 16 Feb 2020, 02:31 am
I have to be honest about the KEF R5, 7 and 11.  They sounded smooth and coherent but they sounded muddy in comparison to the Martin Logan XT60's, B&W's and some other speakers we heard.  My son was going to buy a pair of the KEF R7's until he heard them in direct comparison.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: bajaed on 16 Feb 2020, 02:48 am
That is real wood as I understand it.

Greyhound. Please post as many impressions as you are able as I am interested in these!
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: maty on 16 Feb 2020, 07:52 am
I have to be honest about the KEF R5, 7 and 11.  They sounded smooth and coherent but they sounded muddy in comparison to the Martin Logan XT60's, B&W's and some other speakers we heard.  My son was going to buy a pair of the KEF R7's until he heard them in direct comparison.

MartinLogan Motion 60XT Floorstanding Speaker Reviewed
http://www.avreviewchat.com/?p=7857

(http://www.avreviewchat.com/images/201701/Motion-60XT-frequency-respo-thumb-600xauto-13543.jpg)

(http://www.avreviewchat.com/images/201701/Motion-60XT-impedance-thumb-600xauto-13547.jpg)

[ ...Three things are striking about this response plot. First is that the on-axis response throughout most of the audio band is extremely flat. The only deviation occurs with a peak at 300 Hz and a dip at 600 Hz, but it’s minor, and it’s possible it could be a measurement-related artifact (although nothing I tried could eliminate it). So that’s great.

Second is that big hump in the bass response, centered at 80 Hz. I confirmed my ground plane bass response measurement by close-miking the woofers and ports, scaling the port response, and adding the woofer and port response together, and the resulting curve was very similar in shape.

Third is an artifact that’s only hinted at in the chart: that big folded-ribbon tweeter’s response off-axis is weak. At 30 degrees off axis, the response is down -4.2 dB at 10 kHz, -29.7 dB at 20 kHz. For the sake of comparison, the response of the Revel F208 (which has a conventional dome tweeter) is down -2.4 dB at 10 kHz, -4.8 dB at 20 kHz. This sharp roll-off in the off-axis treble response is likely to reduce the sense of space and “air” that the speaker delivers.

These measurements were done without grilles. Surprisingly, the big perforated-metal grille has less effect on response than most of the fabric grilles I’ve measured, with just a few minor deviations in response above 3.5 kHz, maxing out with a narrow, probably inaudible -1.1dB dip at 4.8 kHz. ]
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: maty on 16 Feb 2020, 07:55 am
[ Conclusion

For the jazz listening I do (which is most of my listening), the Motion 60XT is easily one of the best speakers I’ve tested, delivering incredibly lifelike tonality and imaging. When the material gets heavier, the Motion 60XT’s low-frequency idiosyncrasies make it less enjoyable to listen to, at least for my tastes and in my room. Another option, and probably the one I’d take, is the Motion 35XT, a bookshelf speaker with the same tweeter and a 6.5-inch woofer. Mate that with a good subwoofer, and you should have a pretty incredible system, with the flexibility to get the bass response tailored to perfection... ]

You can soft the bass peak with PEQ. In the KEF or other you can try to create it.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 17 Feb 2020, 01:31 am
That is real wood as I understand it.

Greyhound. Please post as many impressions as you are able as I am interested in these!

I do not believe that the cabinets are real wood veneer.  I have seen nice finishes on speakers but they are done tastefully.  Personally, I would like to see a gloss black finish offered as well.

A little bit more about the sound.  The speakers have good attack.  The leading edges of guitar are crisp but natural sounding.  Wharfedale really hit the ball out of the park with the combination of clarity, detail, resolution and tone with just a hint of warmth and no fatigue.  This week, I hope to try the speakers in my reference system with my Pass amp, BAT preamp and Luxman DAC.  I will post another review if I do.  It may be another  2 weeks before I get the chance since I am flying do Florida on Saturday to audition a pair of Fyne Audio 702 and 502sp speakers.  I heard the 702's at RMAF and fell in love with them. 

Larry
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 17 Feb 2020, 03:52 pm
Saving my pennies for a pair of these for sure, is that real wood veneer?

I took a look at the speakers again and it appears to be real wood.  My mistake earlier.

Larry
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 18 Feb 2020, 06:00 pm
Last night we hooked up the Evo's in my reference system.  The speakers did not disappoint. Every aspect of the sound dramatically improved. We used Audirvana and BugHead music players.  Each player sounds remarkably different with Audirvana excelling in air, transparency and space while BH has a fuller more live in the room sound with a full, rich natural sounding midrange and better dynamics. 

The clarity from Evo's was stunning.  The sound was more clear than my Magnepan 1.6's.  The sound stage was wide and almost 3D. There was no fatigue and the top end was silky smooth although a little pushed back.  I would have preferred it to be a little more forward.  (I suspect it may be due in part to my XLR's which were picked to tame sibilants and brightness in my Maggies.)  Vocals, especially female were natural and life like.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: maty on 18 Feb 2020, 06:37 pm
I will be attentive in case speaker measurements appear.

Years ago I used Bug Head for a while, I even opened a thread on how to use it, with a few screenshots. The improvement over foobar2000 was very noticeable. Then I managed to improve the sound by further optimizing the Windows for multimedia. And JRiver MC with Kernel Streaming. And now ALL sounds go to JRMC thanks to: https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver

That you use BH makes me value your review very much, hence the follow-up I will do of the speakers.

Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 19 Feb 2020, 01:41 am
I will be attentive in case speaker measurements appear.

Years ago I used Bug Head for a while, I even opened a thread on how to use it, with a few screenshots. The improvement over foobar2000 was very noticeable. Then I managed to improve the sound by further optimizing the Windows for multimedia. And JRiver MC with Kernel Streaming. And now ALL sounds go to JRMC thanks to: https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver

That you use BH makes me value your review very much, hence the follow-up I will do of the speakers.

Thank you very much!

Bug Head has come a long way in sound since a few years ago.  There is nothing else that sounds as good.  It is a pain in the A$$ to use though.  I use it for critical listening otherwise I use Audirvana although I may give HQ player another try.  But its library system sucks unless you use it with Roon.

One other insight of the Evo's.  They sound way better without their grills.  The top end sounds much better.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: maty on 20 Feb 2020, 10:56 am
https://www.wharfedale.co.uk/elysian-series/


Wharfedale Elysian 2 with Sumiko S.9 subwoofer

YouTube Elysian Topping D90 sound demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_xUfvvhyn0


The new loudspeakers only:

* Elysian 4 £6,495.00

* Elysian 2 £4,495.00


For those who buy only with their eyes, BIG pictures:

-> https://theaudiophileman.com/elysian-speakers-news-wharfedale/

(https://i2.wp.com/theaudiophileman.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/rsz_1screenshot_2020-02-14_at_110438_result.jpg)
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 20 Feb 2020, 04:17 pm
I really want to hear the Elysian's. The stand mounts are in my price range.  I may have to take a drive to Chicago to Music Direct to hear them (I am also considering flying to St. Louis to hear a pair of the new Monitor Audio Gold 5G 300's). 

My son and I were listening to the Evo's again last night and we are still stunned as to how good they sound.  They definitely best my Magnepan 1.6's in clarity, smoothness, air and transparency although I would take a pair of 1.7i's over them with the caveat  that you have proper electronics for the Maggies.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: CCBios on 6 Apr 2020, 05:32 pm
Hello Greyhound,

How do these Evo 4.4 sound at low volume? Does the tonality change much?

Thanks
CCBios
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 6 Apr 2020, 06:03 pm
Hello Greyhound,

How do these Evo 4.4 sound at low volume? Does the tonality change much?

Thanks
CCBios

The tonality does not change but they do sound better at medium volumes versus low volumes.  But so do my Maggies.  A lot depends upon your electronics.  I had a Pass X1 preamp to go with my Pass X250 amp.  This combo sounded great at low volumes with my Magnepans.  However, I sold  the X1 and bought a BAT VK51se preamp which sounds much better than the X1 in every aspect except at low volumes.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: CCBios on 7 Apr 2020, 12:21 pm
Thanks for the reply sir, very interesting. I'm new at this but I'm starting to realize that it can be very difficult to build a system that does it all very well, even with lots of money. I may be better off having 2 dedicated systems (one for low volume listening, one for mid to high volume for example) although this seems counter intuitive at first for someone with a limited budget like me.
CCBios
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 7 Apr 2020, 03:45 pm
Thanks for the reply sir, very interesting. I'm new at this but I'm starting to realize that it can be very difficult to build a system that does it all very well, even with lots of money. I may be better off having 2 dedicated systems (one for low volume listening, one for mid to high volume for example) although this seems counter intuitive at first for someone with a limited budget like me.
CCBios

My best advice is just listen to as any systems as possible, pick your speakers first and then your electronics.  Buy the best you feel comfortable spending.

Larry
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: maty on 12 Jul 2020, 04:33 pm
Thanks to bunkbail, a link:

Wharfedale Evo 4.4 crossover

YouTube https://youtu.be/CMVomg-aaCU?t=353

Optimized

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=211733&size=huge) (https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=211733&size=huge)
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 12 Jul 2020, 07:23 pm
There certainly is room for improvement in the crossovers.  I would definitely replace the sand resistors with Mills or Mundorf and the spirit caps with Clarity or something else.  However, the speakers sound great as they are.  Playing around with mods may ruin the sound. 

https://www.whathifi.com/us/reviews/wharfedale-evo-44
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: maty on 6 Nov 2020, 09:39 am
WHARFEDALE EVO 4.4

[Polish] https://audio.com.pl/testy/stereo/kolumny-glosnikowe/3272-wharfedale-evo-4-4

to English: https://translate.google.es/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Faudio.com.pl%2Ftesty%2Fstereo%2Fkolumny-glosnikowe%2F3272-wharfedale-evo-4-4

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=216630&size=xlarge)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=216631&size=xlarge)
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 6 Nov 2020, 08:56 pm
We are still loving the Evo 4.4's.  Pair them with a detailed DAC, preamp and amp and they will give you plenty of high end detail without fatigue.  When I swapped the Parasound A21 amp that my son is using for the new AVA DVA225 prototype monoblocks, the speakers sound really stepped up to another level.  Detail and resolution markedly improved.  Bass became more powerful and musical and the top end was very smooth without sacrificing detai.   I do recommend using a good sub or 2 to get the to at least 25hz crossed over at about 40-45hz.

I would love to hear the Elysian's and read a few pro reviews.  There really aren't any and that makes me suspicious that they do not live up to all the hype but there a few user reviews that like them.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: bithloman on 30 Mar 2021, 11:31 pm
i just got these speakers the 4.4 and WOW what a treat. i comared them to the GR research MTM encore and i think i like it more. more "magic" in the top end and mid range with more tight bass. although the MTM is incredible at a quarter of the cost. the 4.4 blew me away. i would love to see someone upgrade the crossover or send to dany so i can buy the upgrade! what do you think about the cabinet? does it need extra damping? its seems ok but not great as far as resonance.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: bithloman on 30 Mar 2021, 11:32 pm
WHARFEDALE EVO 4.4

[Polish] https://audio.com.pl/testy/stereo/kolumny-glosnikowe/3272-wharfedale-evo-4-4

to English: https://translate.google.es/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Faudio.com.pl%2Ftesty%2Fstereo%2Fkolumny-glosnikowe%2F3272-wharfedale-evo-4-4

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=216630&size=xlarge)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=216631&size=xlarge)
Any word on an upgrade to the crossover? i wonder if i could just copy the values and re install it? maybe send to dany first? would be interesting since it is so many parts and so many drivers.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 31 Mar 2021, 03:44 am
i just got these speakers the 4.4 and WOW what a treat. i comared them to the GR research MTM encore and i think i like it more. more "magic" in the top end and mid range with more tight bass. although the MTM is incredible at a quarter of the cost. the 4.4 blew me away. i would love to see someone upgrade the crossover or send to dany so i can buy the upgrade! what do you think about the cabinet? does it need extra damping? its seems ok but not great as far as resonance.

Wait until they break in at about 50-75 hours.  The speakers become more punchy with better bass and more musical. That AMT tweeter is smooth but also benefits from breakin.  My son is running it with a Cary Audio 300.2d integrated/DAC with about 450 wpc and a Rythmik F12 sub which blends perfectly and fills in the bass.

We tried them in my reference system with my Pass amp, BAT pre and Luxman DAC and the speakers sounded great.

I think the cabinet is fine.  Haven't noticed any resonance.  Changing the crossover will change the sound for sure.  I spoke to the Wharfedale guys at RMAF and they tuned that AMT tweeter to not sound bright. 

Congrats!

Larry
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: magic44ken on 5 Apr 2021, 06:35 pm
Wait until they break in at about 50-75 hours.  The speakers become more punchy with better bass and more musical. That AMT tweeter is smooth but also benefits from breakin.  My son is running it with a Cary Audio 300.2d integrated/DAC with about 450 wpc and a Rythmik F12 sub which blends perfectly and fills in the bass.

We tried them in my reference system with my Pass amp, BAT pre and Luxman DAC and the speakers sounded great.

I think the cabinet is fine.  Haven't noticed any resonance.  Changing the crossover will change the sound for sure.  I spoke to the Wharfedale guys at RMAF and they tuned that AMT tweeter to not sound bright. 

Congrats!

Larry's

When they said the AMT is tuned for a less bright sound, is that done in the crossover or the AMT driver itself?

One thing I wanted to improve is more dynamic, faster transit reponse than the slow PRAT from Wharfedales house sound. If we use better crossover parts, can we improve the overall PRAT and dynamic?
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: Jack996 on 11 Apr 2021, 09:33 pm
I'd like to improve the components of the crossover, without changing the tonal balance. Which components could I use?
Furthermore, some measurements show a distortion peak around 600 Hz. Improving the components, could the distortion decrease?
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: richidoo on 12 Apr 2021, 12:26 am
I'd like to improve the components of the crossover, without changing the tonal balance. Which components could I use?
Furthermore, some measurements show a distortion peak around 600 Hz. Improving the components, could the distortion decrease?

It’s very difficult to increase resolution with modern xo parts while retaining the original tonal balance and voicing. They are kind of tied at the hip. There’s no systematic way to swap parts knowing EQ will be same as stock with only added resolution. The parts aren’t characterized in a standardized way. You can only go by online comments and trial and error.  With the better xo parts this method can get expensive. Also consider that the drivers and box construction will remain unchanged with vintage level performance which may not respond as well as you’d imagined to the improved signal  quality from the upgraded xo. Could well be the 600hz distortion isbdriver related and was tamed (hidden) by the lesser quality xo parts that you want to replace. The xo, box and drivers were voiced together as one animal and probably can’t be “upgraded” without upsetting the musical balance the original designers targeted.  If you want more resolution I recommend getting newer speakers that are designed with more resolution from inception, and keep the older speakers for when you want to enjoy their sound as different from the more modern higher resolution sound. Maybe a second system.

The distortion could be caused by speakers or acoustics. The speakers could have a box panel resonance or driver cone resonance or something broken. Best to eliminate acoustic or electronic cause before modding the speakers. Run a pure sine signal through each speaker one at a time sweeping slowly through the suspected distortion band and listen with ear close to the speaker to listen for the distortion. Upclose might reveal the cause. Adjust volume accordingly. Note that the distortion may not occur at low volume. Good luck!
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 12 Apr 2021, 02:48 am
I find the Wharfedale Evo's fast and crisp.  They do not have the house Wharfedale sound.  I own a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 10.2's and they are slow, warm with a lot of bloom, typical Wharfedale sound.  The Evo's are fast, tight and musical.  The tweeter is smooth and lacks a bit of sparkle that metal dome tweeters have but it sounds more natural.   They are not an in your face or  forward sounding speaker but they are not slow by any means.  I find them honest and natural sounding.  If your gear is slow, then the speakers will sound slow.  If your gear is fast they will sound fast.

Here is a quote from a user- "Today I've auditioned evo 4.4. Soundstage was beautiful, also I much liked how they play with ease, fast and responsive, classical music was just glorious"

https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/wharfedale-evo-44
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: Jack996 on 12 Apr 2021, 07:24 am
It’s very difficult to increase resolution with modern xo parts while retaining the original tonal balance and voicing. They are kind of tied at the hip. There’s no systematic way to swap parts knowing EQ will be same as stock with only added resolution. The parts aren’t characterized in a standardized way. You can only go by online comments and trial and error.  With the better xo parts this method can get expensive. Also consider that the drivers and box construction will remain unchanged with vintage level performance which may not respond as well as you’d imagined to the improved signal  quality from the upgraded xo. Could well be the 600hz distortion isbdriver related and was tamed (hidden) by the lesser quality xo parts that you want to replace. The xo, box and drivers were voiced together as one animal and probably can’t be “upgraded” without upsetting the musical balance the original designers targeted.  If you want more resolution I recommend getting newer speakers that are designed with more resolution from inception, and keep the older speakers for when you want to enjoy their sound as different from the more modern higher resolution sound. Maybe a second system.

The distortion could be caused by speakers or acoustics. The speakers could have a box panel resonance or driver cone resonance or something broken. Best to eliminate acoustic or electronic cause before modding the speakers. Run a pure sine signal through each speaker one at a time sweeping slowly through the suspected distortion band and listen with ear close to the speaker to listen for the distortion. Upclose might reveal the cause. Adjust volume accordingly. Note that the distortion may not occur at low volume. Good luck!

Then I'll explain better.
I listened to these Wharfedales a long time ago and now I've decided to buy them. I found the distortion graph on another site. When I listened to them months ago, I didn't notice any distortion, but I didn't pay much attention to it.
I know distortion can have many causes, but I thought that improving the xo I could improve it.
I also know that it is impossible to maintain the exact same tonal balance, but maybe someone has already tried some components that sound similar to these Wharfedales.
I preferred them over other more expensive speakers (for example the Kef R5), so I was just looking for a way to make them sound as good as possible.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 13 Apr 2021, 04:24 am
Then I'll explain better.
I listened to these Wharfedales a long time ago and now I've decided to buy them. I found the distortion graph on another site. When I listened to them months ago, I didn't notice any distortion, but I didn't pay much attention to it.
I know distortion can have many causes, but I thought that improving the xo I could improve it.
I also know that it is impossible to maintain the exact same tonal balance, but maybe someone has already tried some components that sound similar to these Wharfedales.
I preferred them over other more expensive speakers (for example the Kef R5), so I was just looking for a way to make them sound as good as possible.

These speakers need a good 75-100 hours of break in before sounding good.  My son and I preferred them over the KEF 5's as well which sounded muddy in comparison.  We were blown away when we heard them at RMAF with the Primare Prisma I35 Integrated amp/DAC.  He is using a Cary SI-300.3d Integrated/DAC and they sound fabulous.  Very dynamic, musical and punchy.  No fatigue at all.  They sounded even better when we inserted my Luxman DA-06 DAC.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: Jack996 on 13 Apr 2021, 06:38 am
These speakers need a good 75-100 hours of break in before sounding good.  My son and I preferred them over the KEF 5's as well which sounded muddy in comparison.  We were blown away when we heard them at RMAF with the Primare Prisma I35 Integrated amp/DAC.  He is using a Cary SI-300.3d Integrated/DAC and they sound fabulous.  Very dynamic, musical and punchy.  No fatigue at all.  They sounded even better when we inserted my Luxman DA-06 DAC.

They are all very expensive amps, I could never afford them. I was only interested in a possible crossover modification, without changing the sound to much. 
Anyway, since you talked about amps, do you think the Cambridge Audio CXA81 or the Musical Fidelity M5si can be a good math?
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 13 Apr 2021, 04:02 pm
They are all very expensive amps, I could never afford them. I was only interested in a possible crossover modification, without changing the sound to much. 
Anyway, since you talked about amps, do you think the Cambridge Audio CXA81 or the Musical Fidelity M5si can be a good math?

I just read reviews on both those amps and they are very good.  Seems like the MF has a fuller sound which I prefer.  Both should be a good match.  the DAC in the MF is from 2015 unless they updated it.  So you may eventually want to use a more modern DAC.

Another amp to look at is the Primare I-25.  The Prisma version has more features but is more expensive. Both are supposed to sound the same.  The I25 is similar to the I35 just less power and no balanced inputs.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 13 Apr 2021, 05:43 pm
Looks like the Hegel H190 would be direct competition to the Primare I-25, but has balanced inputs and more power. It has rave reviews relating to sound quality and grip:
https://www.dedicatedaudio.com/collections/hegel/products/hegel-h190-integrated-amplifier

Neither has phono inputs though.

Alan Shaw voices his Harbeth speakers on a Hegel.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 13 Apr 2021, 05:59 pm
Looks like the Hegel H190 would be direct competition to the Primare I-25, but has balanced inputs and more power. It has rave reviews relating to sound quality and grip:
https://www.dedicatedaudio.com/collections/hegel/products/hegel-h190-integrated-amplifier

Neither has phono inputs though.

Alan Shaw voices his Harbeth speakers on a Hegel.

The only reason I mentioned the Primare is because it was paired with the Evo's at RMAF and the sound was just stunning.  We  thought it was one of the better sounding rooms.  It was very dynamic, detailed, resolving, clear sound with tremendous tight bass, huge soundstage and great transparency.  When people walked into the room they looked around to see where the subwoofer was and there was none.  They were using the Primare Prisma I35 with the DAC module.  My son wanted to buy the Prisma I25 but it was a little out of his budget.  Then he stumbled across the Cary slightly used at $2700.  It was a $6K Integrated/DAC.  It is not quite the sound of the Primare but it sounds great.

As far as a phono input, you would be better off with a stand alone phono pre.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: maty on 21 Nov 2021, 10:46 am
Wharfedale EVO 4.1 Review (Speaker)
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/wharfedale-evo-4-1-review-speaker.28305/

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=232536)

Same tweeter I suppose.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 21 Nov 2021, 12:38 pm
I read Amir's review and the 4.4's don't sound like he describes other than the AMT tweeter does beam some.  But it is silky smooth.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: msuwendy on 25 Nov 2021, 09:39 am
Thanks to bunkbail, a link:

Wharfedale Evo 4.4 crossover

YouTube https://youtu.be/CMVomg-aaCU?t=353

Optimized

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=211733&size=huge) (https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=211733&size=huge)

Hi does anyone know how to access to Evo 4.4 Crossover? it doesnt have any visible screw for the woofer or everywhere else unless the bottom of the speaker

Thanks
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 25 Nov 2021, 05:21 pm
When they said the AMT is tuned for a less bright sound, is that done in the crossover or the AMT driver itself?

One thing I wanted to improve is more dynamic, faster transit reponse than the slow PRAT from Wharfedales house sound. If we use better crossover parts, can we improve the overall PRAT and dynamic?

Sorry, I did not see this post until today.  The guys at wharfedale did not elaborate on how they tuned it except that it took a lot of hours to get it right.

I don't find the PRAT slow with the Evo's.   In fact, they sound nothing like the Diamond series which are slow, bloomy and warm.  The Evo's sound crisp, clear, resolving and dynamic with a hint of warmth.  The top end is silky smooth but a little recessed.  Bass is tight, fast and musical.  When I heard these at RMAF with a Primare I35 integrated we and everyone in the room were looking around for the subwoofer which was not there.  A lot of that had to do with the Primare which was hugely dynamic, crystal clear and very detailed and resolving.  My son and I felt it was the top sounding budget room at RMAF.  And I say budget lightly as the speakers are $2K and the Primare is $4500.

Of course, YMMV depending upon your electronics.
Title: Re: Wharfedale Evo 4.4
Post by: Wharf44 on 6 Dec 2023, 07:18 am
Hello Greyhound Fan,
I'm new here and registered specifically because of 4.4.
Are you still so convinced of the EVO's, or is your son?

I've been using the Evos for over a year now and I'm wondering if there's really room for improvement, I use them with an Atoll IN 300 and an Atoll DAC 200SE, they sound excellent, the question is whether they sound even better with Danny's crossover modification become.

It's a difficult decision because the kit including tax and shipping to Germany isn't exactly cheap.

I'm really afraid that your good sound will suffer as a result,
On the other hand, I'm very curious whether they would sound "even better" with such a modification.

Unfortunately, I haven't found any posts on the WWW where people report on the impression after the modification.

I would be pleased to receive an answer from you. :D

Regards
Chris