Bryston BP25 upgrade

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Vhond

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Bryston BP25 upgrade
« on: 13 Jan 2024, 12:24 pm »
Is someone familiar with https://www.fidelityaudio.co.uk/bryston-bp25-pre-amplifier-upgrade-5350-p.asp?

And does somebody know which volume potentiometer is used in the BP25?



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Vhond

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Re: Bryston BP25 upgrade
« Reply #2 on: 13 Jan 2024, 01:08 pm »
Thanks James, do you coincidentally know what potentiometer is used in the BP25?

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Re: Bryston BP25 upgrade
« Reply #3 on: 13 Jan 2024, 02:46 pm »
Sorry - I do not but Mike will - mpickett@bryston.com

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Re: Bryston BP25 upgrade
« Reply #4 on: 14 Jan 2024, 04:35 am »


And does somebody know which volume potentiometer is used in the BP25?

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Its a 10k ohm stereo taper or logarithmic potentiometer. Are you thinking about changing this pot in order to correct your issue of touchy volume control described in your other post? If so this will not correct that issue.

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Re: Bryston BP25 upgrade
« Reply #5 on: 15 Jan 2024, 08:25 am »
Thank you, I already found it in this topic: https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=111763.20

No I don't think I am gonna replace the pot. I think it's related to output input gain between the BP25 and my power amp (after upgrading to new speakers) Unfortunately both don't have hardware adjustment for gain...

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Re: Bryston BP25 upgrade
« Reply #6 on: 15 Jan 2024, 04:10 pm »
Actually its somewhat due to your DAC as well. The Metrum Onyx appears to have 6V output from the XLR outs, based on a review that I found on it. This is a fairly high output voltage from a source component. To put this in perspective, the Bryston BDA-2 is rated at 4.6V output on the XLR output. To me the Metrum Onyx is a good design to use with a passive or unity gain volume control. The fact that Metrum makes the Jade model which just adds a motorized volume control (also an Alps RK27) to the identical Onyx DAC circuit board bears this out.

The BP-25 is not an exceptionally high gain preamp so its not completely due to the BP-25. IIRC I measured my BP-25 at around +16dB of gain via the XLR outputs which means around +10dB via the RCA's. I've had pre's on my bench that had +20dB or more of gain on the RCA's, so the BP-25 is more of a low/medium gain preamp to me. If you combine the high input voltage from the Metrum with the medium gain of the BP-25 plus a high gain amplifier and high sensitivity speakers then you will end up with poor volume control that gets loud quickly. If you want to do a test, try using the single ended (RCA) outs from the Onyx to the BP-25 and RCA outputs to your amplifier. The BP-25's gain is a lot lower for the RCA input and outputs. I think you'll find the total system gain to be a lot more satisfying. I realize that this is not a "fix" but it'll identify how the system will respond by removing gain or sensitivity from somewhere in the signal chain.

Vhond

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Re: Bryston BP25 upgrade
« Reply #7 on: 15 Jan 2024, 06:10 pm »
@Chamberman: thanks for your extensive answer.

But where did you find/read the XLR output of the Onyx is 6V?

In the manual it says 4,4 V : https://metrumacoustics.com/index.php?controller=attachment&id_attachment=9

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Re: Bryston BP25 upgrade
« Reply #8 on: 15 Jan 2024, 09:24 pm »
@Chamberman: thanks for your extensive answer.

But where did you find/read the XLR output of the Onyx is 6V?

In the manual it says 4,4 V : https://metrumacoustics.com/index.php?controller=attachment&id_attachment=9

I was looking at this review on the-ear.net here, https://the-ear.net/review-hardware/metrum-acoustics-onyx-and-jade-digital-analogue-converter/
The review mentioned the Onyx and Jade being identical except for the addition of the volume control circuit. Looking at the manual for the Jade I see its rated for 6V output via XLR, but earlier in the Jade manual they state it conforms to the redbook standard 4V output on XLR. I am probably mistaken on the Onyx, however it wouldn't be the 1st time I've seen a manual give incorrect information about the equipment specs, so its possible that its putting out more voltage than they rated it at when the manual was written.

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Re: Bryston BP25 upgrade
« Reply #9 on: 16 Jan 2024, 07:39 am »
Thanks for the url, maybe I have to measure the output voltage (indeed the manual is not always telling the right specs) and the Jade is almost similar to the Onyx except the volume control.

The manual of the Jade states output 6 Volts (instead of 4 Volts of the Onyx)...
« Last Edit: 16 Jan 2024, 10:45 am by Vhond »