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Title: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 3 Aug 2018, 11:09 pm
Decided to split  this  from the   "Official Super 7 thread....

After working onthe  top section   S7 baffles,/ wings,  we started thinking  about  a  full  cabinet  flat  pack.  took some time to get this  all  fit up but  it came out  good .

We're  looking  at  10  pieces & 18 dowels  per cabinet.   Everything  is  located and aligned  via dowels.  These  would / will use the  same baffle we designed for the  S7 upper section  posted in the  above  mentioned thread ( I'll re-post some of that info here  at some point).   The cabinets should  be slightly  shorter  than the  originals, ,  the bracing has been  slightly beefed up  to match what  we do  in our  servo sub   flalt packs ,  both servo subs  are  facing forward, did up  a new base etc   for a bit of  a different  look.    Basic  kits  will   use all Medex (1.25", 1", and .75") .

Here are a  few  pics:

Wings are  1.25" Medex with  large 1"  roundovers on  outer edge, small .25"  roundover on  inner edge to match inset for grill  frames.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183035)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183036)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183037)

An up close  pic of the  front  and  rear  small,  .25"  grill insets (rear side is  for the  subs,  could  esilly  mount  a grill on  rear of   upper bafle  as  well)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183038)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183039)


Lots of  dowel holes  !

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183040)

All components  obviously have corresponding  dowel holes

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183041)

base is  also  1.25"  Medex with a   nic e little  rounded  step to match  cabinet rouindovers,  something  a bit  differentfrom the norm.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183042)


jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: PDR on 3 Aug 2018, 11:20 pm
Outstanding......I'm glad I already have the servos in a H frame.
Will lesson the "try to convince the wify I deserve this" thing.... :wink:
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 3 Aug 2018, 11:56 pm
Hawt!!  So glad that others will soon get to experience the awesomeness that is the Super 7.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: richidoo on 4 Aug 2018, 12:20 am
That looks fantastic! Congrats on a great job!

What is Medex?

Will it use electronic crossover or all passive?
Is there compensation planned for the Z offset between woofer and mids?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 4 Aug 2018, 12:28 am
That looks fantastic! Congrats on a great job!

What is Medex?

Will it use electronic crossover or all passive?
Is there compensation planned for the Z offset between woofer and mids?

Thanks!

The Super 7's  use a passive network for the  upper (Neo3 in waveguide/neo 10's) section.   The  lower  sub  section  in each is a pair of the  gR SW12 16FR or 08's  driven with the  fully adjustable Rythmik A370PEQ   (active).

Outstanding......I'm glad I already have the servos in a H frame.
Will lesson the "try to convince the wify I deserve this" thing.... :wink:

maybe a road trip to the  Okanagan   at  some point,  once  we  get  a pair built out it'd be cool for you  to hear them 

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: 2bigears on 4 Aug 2018, 12:54 am
 :D dam nice Jay.  This looks like a keeper.  Do you have kits ready or soon ?  Are the driver kits ready ?  Are the X-overs an easy build ?
     Is there an all in $$ figured out yet ?    :D
          Looks great on the wood pac you did.   :D
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: ebag4 on 4 Aug 2018, 01:07 am
That looks great Jay, I really like the base detail.  Looking forward to seeing the projects this inspires.

Best,
Ed
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mresseguie on 4 Aug 2018, 01:16 am
That looks fantastic! Congrats on a great job!

What is Medex?

Thanks!

MEDEX:

No added formaldehyde resin system
Especially suitable in interior applications where moisture is a concern, Medex does succeed in the 6 cycle accelerated aging test
Superior physical properties to standard MDF. Truly high performance screwholding and MOR capabilities, among others
Pre-consumer recycled wood content
FSC® Mix Credit Certified - available option
Potential LEED® 2009 credit support: MRc4, 5, 7 & IEQc4.4
Potential LEED® v4 credit support: Materials & Resources and Indoor Environmental Quality
Meets CARB ATCM 93120 Phase 2 emission limits - CARB NAF Exempt
Third party certification - SCS, ECC
CHPS Compliant - California section 01350 approved
Limitations: Medex is not suitable for structural applications, exterior siding or exterior trim

http://www.roseburg.com/Product/medex/
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 4 Aug 2018, 01:19 am
:D dam nice Jay.  This looks like a keeper.  Do you have kits ready or soon ?  Are the driver kits ready ?  Are the X-overs an easy build ?
     Is there an all in $$ figured out yet ?    :D
          Looks great on the wood pac you did.   :D

Hey  Pascal
the  networks won't be an overly difficult  built, should be  fairly simple actually.  They are not  finalized, I have to get  Danny that final prototype of the  upper baffle.
I am not  sure  on  flat pack pricing or how  we're  going to do this  at the start.... we may try and sell  a couple pairs of  "pre-order" flat packs ,  would  be nice to  know  there  are some   spoken for before  committing  to    programming    and  cutting.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: kingdeezie on 4 Aug 2018, 01:34 am
Can the flat packs be finished in any way? Would like to get a pair of Super 7s eventually, but I have no way to finish the flat packs in any meaningful way.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: 2bigears on 4 Aug 2018, 02:10 am
 :D always always always been interested in this speaker. Your amp can be micro which saves.
           Standing by,, you price setters be nice to us poor folk now,  ha .  Thanks Jay,, Fires again in the Okie ?
  Dam ..    :D
       
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 4 Aug 2018, 02:29 am
Can the flat packs be finished in any way? Would like to get a pair of Super 7s eventually, but I have no way to finish the flat packs in any meaningful way.

We can do finished cabinets  as well but the box size  grows consderably.  Finishing can vary in cost  greatly too,  we can   even offer  House of Kolor   automotive finish which is  stunning  but   spendy.

don't think I'd  be too keen  on sending out   painted flat pakcs  (unassembled), I'd be too worried about   scratching  the  panels
jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 4 Aug 2018, 03:10 pm
Will it use electronic crossover or all passive?
Is there compensation planned for the Z offset between woofer and mids?

Thanks!

The filters for the upper drivers will all be passive.

The driver offset between the Neo's and the servo subs are a non-factor. At the 200Hz crossover point the wavelengths are five and a half feet long. So the six inch offset is barely even five degrees of phase rotation.  And that is easily compensated for with the phase control knob on the servo amp.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: PDR on 4 Aug 2018, 08:38 pm
maybe a road trip to the  Okanagan   at  some point,  once  we  get  a pair built out it'd be cool for you  to hear them 
jay

My brother inlaw just bought a new spread in Summer Land....I'd be honoured.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 4 Aug 2018, 09:42 pm
My brother inlaw just bought a new spread in Summer Land....I'd be honoured.

That  works, about   1/2 hr  from  here

Here's  a few more pics..... I got rid of the  feature/edge outlines and added a bit of color, looks  a bit more "real"

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183089)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183091)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183090)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183092)

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: gregfisk on 5 Aug 2018, 07:40 pm
These look really good Jay, I just wish I could make mine work. Ruben did such a good job it just wouldn't make sense to strip the servo subs out of them.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: AKLegal on 5 Aug 2018, 09:44 pm
I'm definitely interested in these.   :green:
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Hear Clifford Brown on 5 Aug 2018, 11:42 pm
I'm very interested also !!   :D
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: gregfisk on 6 Aug 2018, 08:31 pm
Jay, Looking at the front of the top section how tall is it from top edge to the bottom and how wide?

Thanks,

Greg
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Rivalaudio on 6 Aug 2018, 08:57 pm
$? Any ideas as to what we are going to be paying for these guys? Also curious on the height on the speaker and the height of the tweeter level.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mikeeastman on 6 Aug 2018, 09:15 pm
The speaker is 57" and the tweeter is 44" to center of , these are from bottom of the speaker with out spikes.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 6 Aug 2018, 11:19 pm
$? Any ideas as to what we are going to be paying for these guys? Also curious on the height on the speaker and the height of the tweeter level.

8 Neo 10's, two GR Neo 3's, four 12" servo subs, two servo amps, crossovers, wire, tube connectors, etc should be in the $3,800 to $3850 range depending on exactly what the crossover parts are this time.

And that is handing you everything you need for what the parts cost.

Jay is working on the price of the flat pack. Lots of work goes into it but it should be easy to assemble when you get them from Jay.

Considering what they retailed for originally this DIY version is going to be a steal.

The speaker is 57" and the tweeter is 44" to center of , these are from bottom of the speaker with out spikes.

Jay has reduced the space a little between the upper woofer top and the first Neo 10 in an effort to get the tweeter height down a little. It could come in at more like 42" or so.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 7 Aug 2018, 05:54 pm
The  speaker is coming in at 56 tall with the tweeter / waveguide center at  42.25"....  these measurements include the  1.25"  base.

I can't really determine final pricing at this point, still too many variables (more programming, custom boxes/packing, yeilds per  sheet  etc  etc

greg,  the baffle is  13"  wide, the overall wideth  (no base) is 15.5" which I believe is  very similar to the  original design.
Tweeter  height of the  tops section only is 14" (again, no base)

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 8 Aug 2018, 01:30 pm
I'm going to need some kind of base to attach to my OB subs.  I'm thinking about refinishing them too but I'm in no hurry.  I hope whatever you're planning can work for me and that I don't need new sub cabinets.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/802/39930272375_55a1fd58c5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23Qv5PZ)
AV123 Strata Mini and GR / Rythmik Open Baffle Subwoofers (https://flic.kr/p/23Qv5PZ) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/79446895@N00/)

Oh, and if anyone in the Chicago area wants a pair of used AV123 Strata Mini, I'll let them go for $600/pr.   :eyebrows:

No grills, a ding or 2 in the finish, upgraded crossovers.  Still sound fantastic! :green:
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 8 Aug 2018, 04:08 pm
If the Isoacoustic stands won’t put the tweeter of the S7 monitor too high you can set the monitor on top of the subs like I do with the NX-Otica monitors.

If the tweeter would be too high on your subs you could experiment with a tapered base for the monitors that aims the drivers down or you could stand mount the monitors where your minis are now
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 8 Aug 2018, 04:49 pm
If the Isoacoustic stands won’t put the tweeter of the S7 monitor too high you can set the monitor on top of the subs like I do with the NX-Otica monitors.

If the tweeter would be too high on your subs you could experiment with a tapered base for the monitors that aims the drivers down or you could stand mount the monitors where your minis are now

If I have to, I'll build a riser for my chair.   :lol: 

The Isoacoustic stands do raise them up about 5".  They do a great job of disconnecting the bass from the floor.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: orientalexpress on 10 Aug 2018, 01:17 pm
God,i hate this threat.I got to find more funding.Just what i wanted another pair speakers. :duh:
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mresseguie on 10 Aug 2018, 04:38 pm
God, I hate this thread. I’ve got to find more funding. Just what i wanted - another pair speakers. :duh:

Ditto here. The temptation is palpable. My wife might decapitate me if I bought another pair of floor standing speakers. I know. I’ll tell her it was only after Jay’s encouragement that I broke down and bought them. That way she can blast Jay the next time we visit him. Yeah. That’ll work.  :icon_twisted:

Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 10 Aug 2018, 05:33 pm
Ditto here. The temptation is palpable. My wife might decapitate me if I bought another pair of floor standing speakers. I know. I’ll tell her it was only after Jay’s encouragement that I broke down and bought them. That way she can blast Jay the next time we visit him. Yeah. That’ll work.  :icon_twisted:

She'll be thanking me  Michael !!  All wrapped into  one package, no separate subs and   even a  set of monitors is gonna  take up   flor space on a  set of  stands.

Have her look here, she'll find a  stunning  Kolor that'll  make her   happy  :thumb:
https://houseofkolor.com/kolors/?ref=topnav

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: skalos on 10 Aug 2018, 05:43 pm
orientalexpress,

It's interesting that you typed "threat".  Was that intended to be "thread"? Very telling. :o

Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: JDUBS on 10 Aug 2018, 08:14 pm
What's a good way to couple the top section to the h-frame, if we already have h-frames? 

Something from Herbie's Audio Lab?

Thanks
Jim
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: 2bigears on 10 Aug 2018, 08:50 pm
 :D this speaker will save you $$ in the long run as a big ass amp is not needed. Small amp and clean,,,,
         Pointing both bass drivers forward sounds the same as one each way ?   :D
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 10 Aug 2018, 08:53 pm
What's a good way to couple the top section to the h-frame, if we already have h-frames? 

Something from Herbie's Audio Lab?

Thanks
Jim

I use Herbie’s fat dots with mine
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: 2bigears on 11 Aug 2018, 03:18 am
 :D Jay ,  any word when the design will be a go-go ?   :D
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 11 Aug 2018, 04:26 am
:D Jay ,  any word when the design will be a go-go ?   :D

Quite  a bit  on the go right  now including the   final (hopefully)   upper baffle   .  One will be  on it's  way to danny for  final testing soon.
  Pretty sure  we're all good  with it but   still want to be sure.  At that  point, we'll see how the interest is...

jay

Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 12 Aug 2018, 10:44 pm
Grills  give them a  nice, finished look

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183333)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183334)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183335)

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Jonathon Janusz on 13 Aug 2018, 02:13 am
Jay,

I thought I remembered reading earlier in one of these threads that this design lowers the height compared to the original S7 a few inches?  If so, I remember the original S7 had the crossover mounted on top of the woofer box, so do you intend to have a similar crossover enclosure on this kit or did you find somewhere else to hide the crossover?  If the height was lowered enough (in particular if someone goes all in on some really big caps and coils in their crossover), I might be concerned that the lowermost Neo10 would get blocked off more than desirable with the crossover box?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 13 Aug 2018, 02:31 am
Hey Jonathon,

Yes,  big , botique caps  could be  an  "issue".  If going that  route,  I'd recommend going with   external  c/o's.
Have already been giving  this some thought ..... a  double  layer  amp box that  could   server  double duty as a  c/o  encolosure  as  well might work well...... :scratch:

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: nrenter on 13 Aug 2018, 04:10 am
I think the sketch-ups look awesome. They have lines that don’t look DIY. This is a speaker you could LOOK At for a long time.

The only shame is that, unless you have professional finishing skills, your world-class sounding speaker may still look DIY. I’ve seen Danny’s personal S7’s and they are sexy. That paint was amazing, and probably not cheap. Is it possible to bring that level of fit and finish to Flatpacks? Could solid surface material be CNC’ed, shipped, and assembled not unlike IKEA furniture? Just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 13 Aug 2018, 06:15 pm
I think the sketch-ups look awesome. They have lines that don’t look DIY. This is a speaker you could LOOK At for a long time.

The only shame is that, unless you have professional finishing skills, your world-class sounding speaker may still look DIY. I’ve seen Danny’s personal S7’s and they are sexy. That paint was amazing, and probably not cheap. Is it possible to bring that level of fit and finish to Flatpacks? Could solid surface material be CNC’ed, shipped, and assembled not unlike IKEA furniture? Just throwing it out there.

To get a seamless finish requires a lot of work, even with flatpacks as good as Jay's, especially if you want automotive paint jobs and topcoats.

If you want that level of finish, you need to find a local auto body shop that will work with MDF cabinets. The shops around here wanted me to bring them the glued up cabinets but they didn't want me to do much in the way of prep work. They wanted to do that themselves.

That type of high gloss automotive paint job and finish is not cheap. I was quoted $1,200 - $1,500 for a pair of Wedgies and servo sub cabinets. $1,200 for a two part and $1,500 for a three part (candy or pearl) finish.

While that sounds like a lot, it's really not compared to what you are putting into the speaker and what you will end up with.

Mike
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Vedder323 on 13 Aug 2018, 07:35 pm
If I may...

Look, if you want a PRO mirror finish, mlundy hit the nail on the head.

For those who want to start and finish the DIY experience, I can recommend this guy.

https://www.amazon.com/HomeRight-C800971-Painter-Painting-Projects/dp/B071X9FZ7R/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1534188716&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=homeright+paint+sprayer&psc=1

I have recently sprayed a couple guitar bodies and wet sanded them using lacquer with very good results. Thinking about how Jay is sectioning these out, perhaps you could do a nice color finish on the wings, sand them out and clear coat to mirror-like finish. It would be very hard work but in my mind, worth the experience.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183360)

For the inside section and baffle, I could see someone doing a nice texture paint or even chalk finish. I have used all the above and they are very forgiving. In my mind, they would end up looking insanely good.

https://www.amazon.com/Rustoleum-285144-Charcoal-Chalked-Ultra/dp/B01J44O9RM/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1534188864&sr=1-3&keywords=rustoleum+chalked+paint

https://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-223525-Multi-Color-Textured-12-Ounce/dp/B000N3C6EM/ref=sr_1_5?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1534188888&sr=1-5&keywords=texture+spray+paint

My 2 cents.

Also, I want these speakers, good work Jay!
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: nrenter on 13 Aug 2018, 11:45 pm
My point (or, more accurately, question) is that if you CNC’ed the bafffle / sides (and all the parts traditionally cut from MDF) from a material like Corian, would the complexity / cost of finishing become irrelevant? I would imagine all sections would fit together using biscuits & dowels, fixed using color matched epoxy. From the videos I’ve watched, Corian seems to carve quite nicely, and the S7 seems to be a good candidate (as well as the wedgie).

Even if the costs of the flat pack increased by $1,000 to $1,500, compared to a pro paint job, it could be considered reasonable. I think this type of approach could help you break into new markets - people who are intrigued with the sonic potential of DIY, but not the tools, time, or talent to make the product look professional. Literally selling high end speakers just like IKEA furniture.

Just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Jonathon Janusz on 13 Aug 2018, 11:59 pm
Hey Jonathon,

Yes,  big , botique caps  could be  an  "issue".  If going that  route,  I'd recommend going with   external  c/o's.
Have already been giving  this some thought ..... a  double  layer  amp box that  could   server  double duty as a  c/o  encolosure  as  well might work well...... :scratch:

jay

Jay,

After I posted, I was thinking on the same thing regarding building the c/o somehow into the amp box.  I guess the challenges would be the same as adding an external c/o to any other design, along with maybe having to figure out how to make sure the plate amp (electrically? magnetically?) doesn't do anything funky to the c/o.  Otherwise, I think bundling them together would be a pretty elegant solution.

This might sound like a dumb thought, but any thoughts on somehow putting the c/o in the very base of the cabinet, beneath the servos?  Too big to fit without messing up the tweeter height even more?

Jon
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 14 Aug 2018, 05:21 pm
My point (or, more accurately, question) is that if you CNC’ed the bafffle / sides (and all the parts traditionally cut from MDF) from a material like Corian, would the complexity / cost of finishing become irrelevant? I would imagine all sections would fit together using biscuits & dowels, fixed using color matched epoxy. From the videos I’ve watched, Corian seems to carve quite nicely, and the S7 seems to be a good candidate (as well as the wedgie).

Even if the costs of the flat pack increased by $1,000 to $1,500, compared to a pro paint job, it could be considered reasonable. I think this type of approach could help you break into new markets - people who are intrigued with the sonic potential of DIY, but not the tools, time, or talent to make the product look professional. Literally selling high end speakers just like IKEA furniture.

Just throwing it out there.

 It's not  a bad idea but   then what  do  you do for colors... guys  are  going to want this , that , and  everything  in between.  Nothing  wrong with that but it sure adds to the cost  We  are into  cutting bits and pieces from different sheets etc.  Not  saying it couldn't be done,  just that  it   isn't the most  economical way  nor the   most efficient use of machine  time. 
I'd have to do some digging into  more materials and  available  sizing etc
I do  know  someone who recently  made some cabinets out of corian,  might  have a chat  with  him and get  some  feeback....

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: nrenter on 14 Aug 2018, 05:27 pm
An entrepreneurial man once said, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black."

However, I'm sure if a customer was willing to pay a premium, you'd be willing to make any color (combination) they'd want.

Again, just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 14 Aug 2018, 05:28 pm
Jay,

After I posted, I was thinking on the same thing regarding building the c/o somehow into the amp box.  I guess the challenges would be the same as adding an external c/o to any other design, along with maybe having to figure out how to make sure the plate amp (electrically? magnetically?) doesn't do anything funky to the c/o.  Otherwise, I think bundling them together would be a pretty elegant solution.

This might sound like a dumb thought, but any thoughts on somehow putting the c/o in the very base of the cabinet, beneath the servos?  Too big to fit without messing up the tweeter height even more?

Jon

Jon
believe me,  I   have thought about   using the base to house the networks but  really  don't  want  to increase height.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 14 Aug 2018, 05:32 pm
An entrepreneurial man once said, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black."

However, I'm sure if a customer was willing to pay a premium, you'd be willing to make any color (combination) they'd want.

Again, just throwing it out there.

Exactly   :thumb:

And,  we  do appreciate the  feedback / coments,  all helps   

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: gregfisk on 14 Aug 2018, 05:59 pm
I think Corian or like kind material would make a fine looking Super 7. A possible problem may be that the thickness is less that what is currently being talked about. This difference would mean most of the dimensions would have to change and the CNC machine would need to be programmed with another set of values.

Another issue is that once the material is cut it will still have a dull edge that in some cases would need to be rounded over and buffed out. 

Otherwise if dimensions could be dealt with the flat pack would be a finished product that simply needs to be put together. The material is not cheap though so I'm not sure a person would really save any money.

Personally I think the best approach is to find a car paint shop that is willing to paint them for you. Or if you are able do it yourself even better.

Greg
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Vedder323 on 14 Aug 2018, 06:21 pm
Here is a very informative video that might inspire those who want to go the route of DIY painting.

https://youtu.be/ySPLBjFCf30
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 14 Aug 2018, 06:23 pm
Exactly   :thumb:

And,  we  do appreciate the  feedback / coments,  all helps   

jay

What about putting the passive crossover in the same box as the subwoofer amp?  As long as you build it as a faraday cage, you won't have to worry about stray magnetic fields.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: nrenter on 14 Aug 2018, 07:59 pm
Here is a very informative video that might inspire those who want to go the route of DIY painting.

https://youtu.be/ySPLBjFCf30

LOL...You lost me about 1:15 into it.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: gregfisk on 15 Aug 2018, 03:08 am
Very poor video but the info. was helpful.

I would have liked more info. on the thinning of the glue and the finishing process of the edges.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 16 Aug 2018, 05:47 pm
I just had a crazy idea.  So I have a pair of dual OB 16 ohm subs built and finished.  Since Jay started building the triple sub cabinets I’ve considered having a single OB cabinet built for each side.  I figured I could set it on top of, underneath of or simply next to my current subs.

Now with the Super-7 top half becoming available this changes my plan somewhat.  Obviously this won’t work on a triple stack so if I want that third sub I need it to the side.

Ok... here’s the crazy part...  have the top section built with an integrated single OB section.  This allows more freedom to adjust the cabinet so that the tweeter is at the optimal height with potential for space for the crossovers and maybe even an integrated mount for the A370 amp.  This is for those of us with separate dual cabinets.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Early B. on 16 Aug 2018, 09:47 pm
I just had a crazy idea.  So I have a pair of dual OB 16 ohm subs built and finished.  Since Jay started building the triple sub cabinets I’ve considered having a single OB cabinet built for each side.  I figured I could set it on top of, underneath of or simply next to my current subs.

Now with the Super-7 top half becoming available this changes my plan somewhat.  Obviously this won’t work on a triple stack so if I want that third sub I need it to the side.

Ok... here’s the crazy part...  have the top section built with an integrated single OB section.  This allows more freedom to adjust the cabinet so that the tweeter is at the optimal height with potential for space for the crossovers and maybe even an integrated mount for the A370 amp.  This is for those of us with separate dual cabinets.

Thoughts?

Sounds like a great idea, especially if you can separate the sub from the top section. This will allow you to experiment by placing the single subs in the back of the room and tossing the top section on speaker stands.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 16 Aug 2018, 09:58 pm
Keep in mind that the crossover point between the panels and the subs are in the 180Hz to 200Hz range. That crossover dictates that the distances must be kept really close. So the upper planar drivers need to be right on top of the servo woofers. Moving them away as separates means they will not blend well.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 17 Aug 2018, 05:31 am
Keep in mind that the crossover point between the panels and the subs are in the 180Hz to 200Hz range. That crossover dictates that the distances must be kept really close. So the upper planar drivers need to be right on top of the servo woofers. Moving them away as separates means they will not blend well.

I thought that might be an issue. 
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 5 Sep 2018, 05:27 pm
Jay,

Do you plan of offering grill frames, especially with the monitor version or will the baffles have enough room for the builder to add grills if they wish?

Mike
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: 2bigears on 5 Sep 2018, 05:53 pm
 :D what's the progress word Jay ?  Ready to cut some ?  :D
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 5 Sep 2018, 06:34 pm
:D what's the progress word Jay ?  Ready to cut some ?  :D

Send me a pm or email and we can talk, no real commitments at this point  so  sort of in a holding pattern..

Mike,   may offer the grills but they add more cost than one may think as  there is a lot.of material wasted.   On both models,  the side panels are .25"  proud of the baffle, that "lip is  radius'd.... pretty easy to fit  some grills in place. 

If we do   offer them, they'll be  just included and go out with every  kit / finished cabinets.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 5 Sep 2018, 07:09 pm
Jay,

So if I used 1/2” thick material for a frame it would nestel in and be 1/4” proud of the side wings, correct?

Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 5 Sep 2018, 09:23 pm
Yup,   I did that intentionally.  thought it would  look good.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: ebag4 on 5 Sep 2018, 11:44 pm
Hey Jay, from your renderings on the first page it appears that the baffle sits in front of the top of the H frame.  If you are using the same baffle for the complete speaker as you are the top section alone, it seems I could  remove 1”(? ,the thickness of the H frame top)  from the bottom of the baffle and still maintain the same distance from the top of my H frame to the bottom NEO 10 assuming I don’t install a bottom in the top section :scratch: :duh:.  If you can understand what I am attempting to ask, do you agree or am I missing something?  I’m trying to keep the height to a minimum.

Thanks,
Ed
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 6 Sep 2018, 02:23 am
Hey Ed,
Yup,  that is  correct.  I didn't  want a  seam  on the fron face of the   complete Super 7  speaker, it's better  for the full blown  S7 to have it  behind where it is out of sight and not a   PItA to deal with. Also eliminates the  chance of it possibly showing up  down the road in some gorgeous paint.

You could  do   exactly  what  you're saying if you don't mind having the  seam, dealing with it, and   having it possibly show  in  the future. Or,  you  could simply  make  it a reveal betweenthe  bottom of the baffle and top of the  H-frames with a small radius or bevel if you  prefer. 

One thing to  remember is that there isn't  a ton of room below the bottom   Neo10 (rear side),  I tried hard to keep the  tweeter  at  lower  height than the original S7's so space was utalized.  I'm  only using a  1" top plate onthe  sub section... if you  used a 1.5"  top plate on  your subs,   there'll end up being    .5"  less  that  what  you  see in the   model pics

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: ebag4 on 7 Sep 2018, 12:38 am
Thanks Jay, I believe I can make that work.

Best,
Ed
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 16 Oct 2018, 06:39 pm
The new baffles that Jay had CNC cut for these worked out really well. They measured great.

Jay will have to finish getting the rest of the flat pack priced out for a total cost on it all and these can then be sold as kits.

Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Hear Clifford Brown on 16 Oct 2018, 06:52 pm
Great news!   :thumb:
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 27 Oct 2018, 06:59 pm
First full s7 pair of these are in the  que for cutting  now  :thumb:
There will be a  front and  rear sub grill included in each kit.... frames will be pre-drilled for  3/8x3/8  cylinder magnets.  All mating parts  will be drilled from the rear side   so no  effect on painted faces.  guys will need to pick up  32 of these magnets  for the   kit.

Kits will also include 2 of our  A370 amp boxes for the   servo amps.
Will update  soon..... :popcorn: 

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: tasar on 2 Nov 2018, 06:26 pm
Jay, do I understand correctly, you will be making an upper baffle kit available as well ? If so I’m thinking a Super V remodeling. Danny please chime in on critical offsets eg do the Neo driver front faces need to be on the front plane of the overall cabinet ? If not, and depending on critical baffle math, my thought was to mount top baffle behind the continuous top to bottom face frame of my Vs ? Then I need to adjust height as Ed suggests below, and at the Vs base where there’s room to spare.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 3 Nov 2018, 04:00 pm
Yes,  that is the plan but converting the  Super V's to the Super 7's would  not  be   easy. It's been discussed  a couple times both publically ( in threads)  and   privately.   Probably better off selling  your  V's  as complete speakers  , they are a great speaker  as they stand.   
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=159276.0

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: tasar on 3 Nov 2018, 04:10 pm
Anything is possible with woodworkers involved. Will the upper baffle alone, be available ?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 4 Nov 2018, 10:53 pm
Anything is possible with woodworkers involved. Will the upper baffle alone, be available ?

I'd still swap entire cabinets and sell your Super-V's minus the servo subs. You'll come out ahead that way.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: SteveKi on 6 Nov 2018, 06:34 pm
Danny,
Are you going to be selling all the parts needed to build the Super 7 kit?
Steve
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 6 Nov 2018, 08:00 pm
Danny,
Are you going to be selling all the parts needed to build the Super 7 kit?
Steve

Yup, will be a  complete kit including  drivers, amps, networks parts , flat packs  etc
Was hoping to have the first pair of cabinets thurs/fri but  not sure they'll get cut this week.  Hoping to hear more soon

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: WC on 6 Nov 2018, 08:05 pm
Price of drivers is going up due to the China Tariffs which could affect the price Danny is charging for the kit.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 7 Nov 2018, 03:53 am
Price of drivers is going up due to the China Tariffs which could affect the price Danny is charging for the kit.

25% increase starting Jan. 1 on some of our drivers.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: tasar on 11 Nov 2018, 04:29 am
Now would be a good time to know if upper front panel alone would be available for a price along with the drivers and crossover.
Do we have a final number for tweeter height, at center, from floor less spikes ?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 11 Nov 2018, 04:52 pm
Now would be a good time to know if upper front panel alone would be available for a price along with the drivers and crossover.
Do we have a final number for tweeter height, at center, from floor less spikes ?

42.5", no spikes  which I believe is a  bit lower  than the originals.

Hadn't really planned on   selling individual parts, it's not very  cost effective  once  sheets are nested in full cut patterns especially if the  numbers  match   (ie x baffles, x pairs of wings).  Will have to see  how the  numbers come out.


jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: ebag4 on 11 Nov 2018, 06:34 pm
What about the top sections with wings Jay, will they be available for sale before the increase in driver prices?

Thanks,
Ed
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 11 Nov 2018, 07:08 pm
Doing my best Ed, there is a lot  in the "q".     the time is going by so  darn fast

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: ebag4 on 11 Nov 2018, 07:14 pm
Doing my best Ed, there is a lot  in the "q".     the time is going by so  darn fast

jay

I am sure Jay, not rushing you, just curious.  If you and Danny had a preorder price worked out prior to the new year you may get some advanced sales, just thinking out loud.

Best,
Ed
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: SteveKi on 12 Nov 2018, 02:03 am
Jay,
Do you know what the weight of the Super 7 is fully assembled?
Steve
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 12 Nov 2018, 02:22 am
Jay,
Do you know what the weight of the Super 7 is fully assembled?
Steve

Steve...
No,  I don't  have that  info yet but,  I can make  an  "educated" guess....
and  that  would be  160 lbs  a piece.    I  want to say it may even  be  a bit less but that's  just intuition   :)

jay

Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 12 Nov 2018, 06:02 pm
160 a piece is about right. But assembled they need to be created and that adds a lot of weight.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 12 Nov 2018, 07:02 pm
160 a piece is about right. But assembled they need to be created and that adds a lot of weight.

That's for sure. 160ea is about what the triple OB subs I shipped to Florida last year weighed. Once they were packed & crated each one weighed about 268.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: tasar on 13 Nov 2018, 10:59 pm
Is there a final price for upper baffle drivers and crossover, and will these be offered outside the “build kit” ??
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 13 Nov 2018, 11:38 pm
Is there a final price for upper baffle drivers and crossover, and will these be offered outside the “build kit” ??

Looks like $4,400 for the complete kits (all drivers, crossovers, etc).

I think Jay is in the $1,600 range for the complete flat pack.

I will offer these fully assembled as well. In a base finish of some kind they should fall in the 9k to 10k range. Fancy paint schemes will be more of coarse.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 14 Nov 2018, 12:45 am
Looks like $4,400 for the complete kits (all drivers, crossovers, etc).

I think Jay is in the $1,600 range for the complete flat pack.

I will offer these fully assembled as well. In a base finish of some kind they should fall in the 9k to 10k range. Fancy paint schemes will be more of coarse.

What level of crossover components are in the kit?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 14 Nov 2018, 01:51 am
Looks like $4,400 for the complete kits (all drivers, crossovers, etc).

I think Jay is in the $1,600 range for the complete flat pack.

I will offer these fully assembled as well. In a base finish of some kind they should fall in the 9k to 10k range. Fancy paint schemes will be more of coarse.

Yup, sounds    right.
And we can offer the same up here in Canada if anyone is interested...  exactly as Danny says,    cost  will vary depnding on finish and we do have  a guy  here  who sprays  Hous of Kolor paints....   beautiful stuff.
https://www.houseofkolor.com/kolors/?ref=topnav

Hopefully  we'll have  a set  built out in the not so distant  future to use  as an example

Networks won't  likely  consist of a  ton of parts   withthese. You'll get   very good  networks   in the kits....  if you  want  all botique parts, there will obviosly  be   an surcharge

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Jonathon Janusz on 14 Nov 2018, 03:44 am
Looks like $4,400 for the complete kits (all drivers, crossovers, etc).

I think Jay is in the $1,600 range for the complete flat pack.

I will offer these fully assembled as well. In a base finish of some kind they should fall in the 9k to 10k range. Fancy paint schemes will be more of coarse.

Just to be clear, Danny, you're saying it looks like about $6,000 all in for everything needed to build these Super 7 - including the lower servo subwoofer sections?

For those following along that already have the lower half, either separate or from some prior build they've done already (meaning no need to get the bottom half of the speaker) is there an answer to the question that was asked when you replied (bolds added by me for clarity):

Is there a final price for upper baffle drivers and crossover, and will these be offered outside the “build kit” ??

The $4,400 number seemed a little high for just all the neo drivers and crossover bits, and I don't think we've seen or confirmed a "kit" for just the upper baffle and wings yet?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: tasar on 14 Nov 2018, 02:37 pm
Indeed Jonathon. I thought the question was more than clear. Could  the answer imply there will ONLY be “complete kits”, “complete flat pack”, and “fully assembled” ?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 14 Nov 2018, 04:32 pm
Ah, minus the servo woofers and amps then $2,750. for the kit.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 14 Nov 2018, 07:27 pm
Indeed Jonathon. I thought the question was more than clear. Could  the answer imply there will ONLY be “complete kits”, “complete flat pack”, and “fully assembled” ?

If you read through the thread  , it's pretty clear that  we've been talking about both a  full Super 7  & a "top section" only   kit all along.  It gets tough  when  people  start wanting something different and we end up with a shopful of left over parts :(
With regards to your  tweeter height question, if you were talking about the tweeter height of the baffle alone it's 14.22".


As I mentioned in a post a couple days ago, we're trying to get  these out, quite a few projects    going simutaneously

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: tasar on 14 Nov 2018, 07:50 pm
Read everything quite well Jay. Own a business with 3 and 5 axis along with machine centers. Sounds as if this is being outsourced so I also read well “between the lines”. Nestling “best fit” aside finite orders is one thing, ongoing orders is another. I certainly laud your efforts.

Danny, in spirit of past DIY offerings, is there an engineering drawing for these speakers top to bottom ?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Jonathon Janusz on 15 Nov 2018, 01:11 am
Jay and Danny, thanks for the clarifications.  I just thought I might help making sure all of the questions get answered, as by reading this thread it looks like there are folks shopping for whole speakers, just the top halves, just the wood parts, just the non-wood parts, and many trying to sort this all out before (or after) the above mentioned 25% price increases on some parts.

Thanks again for your efforts and diligence!  Noting that complete turn-key speakers will also be available is also great news for folks looking to get in on the action but lacking in the DIY capabilities.  All said and done, I think you've got all the bases covered for just about whatever someone would want.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: tasar on 19 Nov 2018, 08:27 pm

Danny, in spirit of past DIY offerings, is there an engineering drawing for these speakers top to bottom ?

Tools waiting !


Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 20 Nov 2018, 04:46 pm
Tools waiting !

Yeah, Jay spent countless hours creating the drawings and paying a considerable amount of money for programming. The cost of the programming is then spread out over a number of units. So Jay needs quite a few orders to re-coop his initial investment.

I think that what he has done has been very generous and hope you guys can quickly order enough of these for him to break even on his cost and time spent with this project.

I know you won't be disappointed with the speakers. Everyone really loves them.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: tasar on 20 Nov 2018, 05:22 pm
Appreciate fact Jay’s out on a limb without orders. When we have the upper cabinet priced with the $2750 to populate it, I suspect there’s a dozen or so Rythmic owners ready to pull the trigger. Numbers talk.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 28 Nov 2018, 04:24 am
Here's the first  one  all dry fit up.    All   fit  very well,  nice  and  snug , no issues.  they are  surprisingly  not  as  "big"  as  I figured they'd  be.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187351)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187352)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187353)

Got  a  base  figured out for the   "monitor"  version as well....  will try  and post  some pics  in  a bit... need to make  some  dinner   !

jay

Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 28 Nov 2018, 05:01 am
Looking good Jay

Mike
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 28 Nov 2018, 06:42 am
Jay,

So if I used 1/2” thick material for a frame it would nestel in and be 1/4” proud of the side wings, correct?

Thanks  Mike,   really happy  with them    :thumb:

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 28 Nov 2018, 04:26 pm
Badass!  Those look just like my babies :)  Nice work. 

Do you already own Super 7s?  If not, will you get a chance to hear them?  IME, once people hear the Super 7 it pretty much spoils you forever :P 
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 28 Nov 2018, 06:01 pm
Badass!  Those look just like my babies :)  Nice work. 

Do you already own Super 7s?  If not, will you get a chance to hear them?  IME, once people hear the Super 7 it pretty much spoils you forever :P

No,  I have the  original pair of NX-Otica's that I'm  extremely fond of.  And no,  I have not  heard the  Super 7's  .... yet .
I think the  two speakers  will be   very similar in some regards although each will have it's advantages,  Danny has commented on this publically a couple of times.    One huge  advantage of the  Super 7's  to me is the  single foot print as compared to the Otica's  and a  pair of  dual/triple subs.
Might have to   let the Otica's go to help build out a pair of these  and give them a shjot :(

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 28 Nov 2018, 06:40 pm
One other cool thing about the Super 7s you can do that I've not really heard on many other large speakers - nearfield listening.  I've now got mine set up about 6 feet from my listening position, and the mid/tweeter integration is so good, so seamless, that it still perfectly integrates, even at that close range.

The result?  From a clarity/transparency standpoint, it's almost like wearing reference level headphones.  If the headphones had a massive room filling soundstage, along with crushing bass that punched you in the chest!
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 28 Nov 2018, 07:35 pm
Here is the monitor version  with a  base that is located between the  wings via a couple of dowels in each wing. Left it  simple so folks who don't  want  something  more abstract aren't left out.... if people want tsomething more, they can easily modify  the included bases to  something  that  suits them.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187361)


Here a couple   with  the front  grill frame/cloth in place

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187365)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187366)

From front of wing to  rear of  base is just shy of 14"  ( depth of a  dual sub cab with no overhang).
Hang  on for pricing,   I'll  notify when I can

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: SteveKi on 18 Dec 2018, 03:44 pm
Here is the monitor version ...

Is this version going to be available before the huge January price increases?
Steve
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: gab on 18 Dec 2018, 04:30 pm
Is this version going to be available before the huge January price increases?
Steve

Any increases in tariffs to 25% is in limbo for the next 80 days or so.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: SteveKi on 10 Jan 2019, 04:24 pm
Here is the monitor version  with a  base that is located between the  wings via a couple of dowels in each wing. Left it  simple so folks who don't  want  something  more abstract aren't left out.... if people want tsomething more, they can easily modify  the included bases to  something  that  suits them.


Here a couple   with  the front  grill frame/cloth in place

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187365)

From front of wing to  rear of  base is just shy of 14"  ( depth of a  dual sub cab with no overhang).
Hang  on for pricing,   I'll  notify when I can
jay

Jay,
Can we get an update? Are they still in line waiting for CNC.
Steve
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 10 Jan 2019, 04:57 pm
Yes,   I have the  material to  do the  first run.
I've  been pretty busy sending out other stuff and getting   the first pair of Super 7's   done., been making  a couple  minor alterations   to the  way they go together to  make it easier for   folks.  Will get on these for you  guys.
Will try and get the  cutting  going

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 16 Jan 2019, 04:51 am
Jay,
Can we get an update? Are they still in line waiting for CNC.
Steve

Almost there   folks.  Will soon have  4  pairs in stock with the initial  cuts, just waiting on a sheet of baffles now.
Here's a few pics  with one of  our baffles from the  full Super 7, the  kit's  will all come  with grill frames as well (have them here now but didn't think to include in pics).   Grills and baffles  are  pre-drilled for  3/8x3/8 Nd  cylinder magnets.
Wings will be  rounded over on  outer and inner edge for the  kists. 
Super simple for glue up,  3 dowels for baffle,  2 dowels on each side of base.  Baffles will be mirrored for  each  kit  to keep wiring symetritcal.
LOL, I didn't  even have  a pair of  dual hframes on hand to plop this on top of for pics but they will  fit   nicely

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189149)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189150)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189151)
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 21 Jan 2019, 10:44 pm
Here's one with the round overs and a  grill frame.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189405)


Here's how easy they go together...

Add  dowels to one wing
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189406)

If this were being  final assembled,  add glue to  the one edge of bafle, one side edge of base, front edge of base and   install on dowels
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189408)

Add glue and dowels to opposite side of  baffle and base then install  2nd wing:
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189409)

Stand up and clamp.   
With roundovers
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189410)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189411)


jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: RoadTripper on 22 Jan 2019, 12:20 am
Since I have these on order I'm pretty excited to see this. Question: if I didn't want to commit to a glue up, would these baffles be viable just doweled together? That way I can use 'em before I decide (or not) to finish them.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 22 Jan 2019, 12:34 am
Shooting  you  a  PM 
As for the   "test" run,  it would   work ok with these but not the full versions  that  have the  subs  builit in.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: titaniumheads on 22 Jan 2019, 05:32 pm
So what is the best way to order the Super 7 kit complete? Do I just call Danny at GR research and work out the details? Will it be up on the GR Research website soon? Tyson just convinced me I may be able to crawl out of the rabbit hole with these.
Thanks
Greg
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 22 Jan 2019, 05:39 pm
You can order it all through Danny if you  wish,  you  can   PM me or  email me at captainhemo at  shaw.ca  if you have  questions about  the cabinets etc

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: titaniumheads on 22 Jan 2019, 08:25 pm
Thank you. just placed the order with Danny.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: grimace on 22 Jan 2019, 10:59 pm
No,  I have the  original pair of NX-Otica's that I'm  extremely fond of.  And no,  I have not  heard the  Super 7's  .... yet .
I think the  two speakers  will be   very similar in some regards although each will have it's advantages,  Danny has commented on this publically a couple of times.    One huge  advantage of the  Super 7's  to me is the  single foot print as compared to the Otica's  and a  pair of  dual/triple subs.
Might have to   let the Otica's go to help build out a pair of these  and give them a shjot :(

jay

I was wondering the same.  Anyone willing to point out where they have been compared? 

And the flat packs look amazing - great job!
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: 2bigears on 23 Jan 2019, 12:50 am
 :D being way to lazy to read ,, what are the full kits $$ ,,,, parts and wood ?    :D
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 23 Jan 2019, 01:16 am
:D being way to lazy to read ,, what are the full kits $$ ,,,, parts and wood ?    :D

$4,400 for the complete kit and $1,600 for the flat pack.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 23 Jan 2019, 04:00 am
And just to clarify,  that price   is obviously for the full  Super 7 kits/flat packs.   the  monitors  are    less. Trying to come in at  $525 for the monitor flat pack.

Baffles were being cut today, should have stock onthese (monitors) by weeks end if all goes well.
full kits  can be ordered now but a  bit of lead time  is needed  before delivery

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 2 Feb 2019, 11:58 pm
first run of monitors is ready to go, will hopefully  get  3  pairs packed and shipped this week.  Only  one set  left  from original run.  can cut more if there is  interest.
Here's a pic   of a couple sitting  on  pair of  our  dula-h-frames
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189910)


first  few pairs of full super7's are  in the  que

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 3 Feb 2019, 02:14 am
 :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: tasar on 7 Feb 2019, 02:48 pm
And just to clarify,  that price   is obviously for the full  Super 7 kits/flat packs.   the  monitors  are    less. Trying to come in at  $525 for the monitor flat pack.

Baffles were being cut today, should have stock onthese (monitors) by weeks end if all goes well.
full kits  can be ordered now but a  bit of lead time  is needed  before delivery

jay

Doing math, that’s $3275 plus ship for complete upper kit, correct ?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 7 Feb 2019, 04:24 pm
Doing math, that’s $3275 plus ship for complete upper kit, correct ?

I get $2,925 plus shipping.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 7 Feb 2019, 04:32 pm
I'm  not   sure  of the  exact pricing on the Neo10's or  networks but, if you  do the math roughly:
Neo10's   say $210 x8  $1680
Neo3's    2 x $100        $ 200
flat Pack                      $ 525

So   apprx  $2405 +  netwowrks,  tube connectors, wire shipping etc
I'm  guessing  at those  driver  prices,  didn't  go look them up.

I think the  last  pair of monitors from the first  run is now spoken for but  not  100% sure.  If there is  interest, more will be cut.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: tasar on 7 Feb 2019, 06:52 pm
Ah, minus the servo woofers and amps then $2,750. for the kit.

Jay threw out the number $525 for upper baffle. I threw out the question awhile back re upper driver kit, which apparently has changed from quote above, because $2750 plus $525 does not come to $2925. Do we have a price reduction ?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 7 Feb 2019, 07:46 pm
I have re-crunched the numbers and can sell the Super-7 kit (upper only and no servo subs) for $2,400. Then the flat pack is $525. Plus shipping cost.

And I can do the full Super-7 kit for $4,200 and the flat pack is $1,600. Plus shipping cost.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 7 Feb 2019, 08:56 pm
For what you get, performance wise w/the Super 7's, that's an amazing bargain.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: pk on 10 Feb 2019, 11:56 am
Hi Danny,

The Super 7 looks very interesting indeed! I have a few questions regarding the upper part kit (i.e., without servo subs) that I hope you will respond to:
1. What are the crossover point and slope(s) between the mid/high section?
2. What high-pass (frequency and slope) do you recommend for the Neo 10s, and is this included?
3. Can you use active filters for the high-pass to the Neo 10s? (i.e. no caps used)
4. What low-pass slope for the bass section should they be parred with (assuming a bass section that does not roll of by itself until further up the frequency band)
5. What is the sensitivity and power handling of the upper part section?

Thanks a lot!

Best regards
Peter


 


I get $2,925 plus shipping.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 10 Feb 2019, 03:24 pm
Hi Danny,

The Super 7 looks very interesting indeed! I have a few questions regarding the upper part kit (i.e., without servo subs) that I hope you will respond to:

It would be really tough to make the upper section work without the servo subs. It will require drivers fast enough to match with the speed of the planars. Certainly no large diameter drivers are going to do that without servo control.

Quote
1. What are the crossover point and slope(s) between the mid/high section?

Second order, 180Hz range.

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2. What high-pass (frequency and slope) do you recommend for the Neo 10s, and is this included?

Ideally just use an inline filter using a single capacitor prior to your amplifier. This keeps the cap value really small (less expensive) and it will have less adverse effect. The cap value needed will depend on the input impedance of your amp.

With small wattage amps you don't need to use any high pass filter at all. 

Quote
3. Can you use active filters for the high-pass to the Neo 10s? (i.e. no caps used)

I would avoid any electronic style filters that put additional parts and A/C noise into the signal path.

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4. What low-pass slope for the bass section should they be parred with (assuming a bass section that does not roll of by itself until further up the frequency band)

The servo subs and servo amp will do it all. There is a LOT of flexibility there that allow the drivers to blend, plus EQ of the woofer section to help control room issues.

Trying to blend the upper to anything else would be tough.

Quote
5. What is the sensitivity and power handling of the upper part section?

Sensitivity is 97db. And unless you need for your ears to bleed you won't ever need near enough power to stress the drivers.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: pk on 10 Feb 2019, 04:10 pm
Hi Danny,

Thanks a lot for the quick reply!

You responded (regarding the mid/high crossover):

"Second order, 180Hz range."

Did you mean 1800 Hz?
 

You responded (regarding the high-pass of the Neo 10s):

"Ideally just use an inline filter using a single capacitor prior to your amplifier. This keeps the cap value really small (less expensive) and it will have less adverse effect. The cap value needed will depend on the input impedance of your amp."

So, a first order high-pass for the Neo 10s are sufficient. At what frequency point do the Neo 10s role off by themselves in the bass and at what slope?
 
And an additional Q: Is the phase response of the top section (Neo 10 + Neo 3) linear (or at least without any serious phase shifts)?

Thanks a lot again!

Best regards
Peter 

Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 10 Feb 2019, 05:14 pm
We finally   spent an afternoon  on the Super 7's.  Primed and ready for  another  round of block sanding
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=190270)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=190271)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=190272)

Getting  closer to some  color

You  guys should start  getting  your S7 monitor kits this coming week.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 11 Feb 2019, 12:35 am
Hi Danny,

Thanks a lot for the quick reply!

You responded (regarding the mid/high crossover):

"Second order, 180Hz range."

Did you mean 1800 Hz?

I was referring to the crossover point from the Neo 10's to the lower woofers.

The upper crossover is in the 2.5kHz range.
 

Quote
You responded (regarding the high-pass of the Neo 10s):

"Ideally just use an inline filter using a single capacitor prior to your amplifier. This keeps the cap value really small (less expensive) and it will have less adverse effect. The cap value needed will depend on the input impedance of your amp."

So, a first order high-pass for the Neo 10s are sufficient. At what frequency point do the Neo 10s role off by themselves in the bass and at what slope?

Yes, a first order electrical slope is all that is needed. The Neo 10's do have a natural roll off that starts about 250Hz. I'll post a response curve Monday when I get back to the office.
 
Quote
And an additional Q: Is the phase response of the top section (Neo 10 + Neo 3) linear (or at least without any serious phase shifts)?

There are no serious shifts in phase. It is quite linear.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: pk on 11 Feb 2019, 08:28 am
Hi Danny,

Thanks a lot for your replies!

Best regards
Peter

I was referring to the crossover point from the Neo 10's to the lower woofers.

The upper crossover is in the 2.5kHz range.
 

Yes, a first order electrical slope is all that is needed. The Neo 10's do have a natural roll off that starts about 250Hz. I'll post a response curve Monday when I get back to the office.
 
There are no serious shifts in phase. It is quite linear.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: pk on 13 Feb 2019, 08:15 am
Hi Danny,

Would it be possible to see the response curve of the Neo 10's in the Super 7 without any high-pass inserted?

Thanks a lot!

Best regards
Peter


Yes, a first order electrical slope is all that is needed. The Neo 10's do have a natural roll off that starts about 250Hz. I'll post a response curve Monday when I get back to the office.
 
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 13 Feb 2019, 05:57 pm
Hi Danny,

Would it be possible to see the response curve of the Neo 10's in the Super 7 without any high-pass inserted?

Thanks a lot!

Best regards
Peter

Here is the latest measurement on the new baffle. I didn't save any of the measurements prior to adding the filter.

(http://gr-research.com/pics/New%20Super-7%20crossover%20response.jpg)
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: pk on 13 Feb 2019, 07:24 pm
Hi Danny,

Thanks a lot for the graph - it looks great!

Is the measurement with or without a high-pass cap inserted on the Neo 10? If the measurement is without a high-pass cap inserted on the Neo 10, could you then please elaborate on what happens below 200 cycles?

Thanks a lot!

Best regards
Peter 
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 13 Feb 2019, 09:03 pm
Hi Danny,

Thanks a lot for the graph - it looks great!

Is the measurement with or without a high-pass cap inserted on the Neo 10? If the measurement is without a high-pass cap inserted on the Neo 10, could you then please elaborate on what happens below 200 cycles?

That is without a high pass filter.

Below 200Hz it starts a natural roll of.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: jparkhur on 14 Feb 2019, 01:56 am
Everyone is thinking it. Why use the neo 3 then if four tens graph well?   Im missing something

Nvm. It is summed in graph. 
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: pk on 14 Feb 2019, 08:05 am
Hi Danny,

Thanks a lot for taking the time to respond!

Best regards
Peter

That is without a high pass filter.

Below 200Hz it starts a natural roll of.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 14 Feb 2019, 03:18 pm
Everyone is thinking it. Why use the neo 3 then if four tens graph well?   Im missing something

Nvm. It is summed in graph.

Why us a tweeter with the Neo 10's?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: jparkhur on 14 Feb 2019, 03:20 pm
Why us a tweeter with the Neo 10's?

For some reason I was thinking  the red line was Neo 10s... and then the Neo 3 picked up.. but I wasn't coherent.... it is summed ...
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 14 Feb 2019, 03:26 pm
For some reason I was thinking  the red line was Neo 10s... and then the Neo 3 picked up.. but I wasn't coherent.... it is summed ...

Ah,

And I could bring the level of the Neo 10's up a bit and flatten out the response a little more, but doing so makes them a bit forward and on the bright side. Dropping the level a bit over a wide range tends to soften them and help balance out the overall power response and room responses a little better for most rooms.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 14 Feb 2019, 05:46 pm
oops, didn't  see  Danny's response on  this page
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: SteveKi on 15 Feb 2019, 03:48 am

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=190597)

WOW!

I received my Super-7 upper kit today.  Very well packed, great quality. Easy to assemble.
Everything is put together temporarily. I will prep and paint them when the weather warms up.
Impressive sound, even in a lousy room, I will play with placement on the weekend. I just
wanted to sit and listen tonight.
Steve
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 15 Feb 2019, 03:54 am
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=190597)

WOW!

I received my Super-7 upper kit today.  Very well packed, great quality. Easy to assemble.
Everything is put together temporarily. I will prep and paint them when the weather warms up.
Impressive sound, even in a lousy room, I will play with placement on the weekend. I just
wanted to sit and listen tonight.
Steve

NICE!!!!  Congrats on getting such awesome speakers!  When they were sold at retail for $20k, they were underpriced.  People getting them for the kit price are getting the deal of the century!
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 15 Feb 2019, 03:59 am
Cool  Steve   8)

We still have the one  flat pack  from the  original run if anyone is on the fence.....

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 15 Feb 2019, 06:10 am
Got mine last night. These are just dry fit together to see what they looked like on the dual H-frames.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=190598)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=190599)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=190600)


Mike
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: ebag4 on 15 Feb 2019, 01:48 pm
Hey Mike, are you building these for yourself?  I am looking forward to your thoughts regarding these as compared to your NX Oticas.

I see your sides haven’t been rounded over, that would be my preference as well.

Best,
Ed
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 15 Feb 2019, 02:29 pm
Hey Mike, are you building these for yourself?  I am looking forward to your thoughts regarding these as compared to your NX Oticas.

I see your sides haven’t been rounded over, that would be my preference as well.

Best,
Ed

Ed,

My plan is to cut the sides and base out of figured cherry to match the subs. I will use the sides and base from the kit as templates. Because of this, I asked Jay to not round the sides over. The pieces will work better as patterns with straight edges.

Now I have to find some 8/4 figured cherry and save up enough money for the rest of the kit

Mike
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: SteveKi on 15 Feb 2019, 10:12 pm
FYI The kit from Danny comes with yarn for the tweeter. Reply #8 has pictures and instructions about how to modify the tweeter.
Steve

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=152039.msg1626035#msg1626035
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 16 Feb 2019, 01:16 am
I got my flat pack too!  Woo hoo!  I think I’m going to repaint my subs.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7827/33224101778_e6efa822fb_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SBUcX1)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/SBUcX1) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/79446895@N00/)
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 16 Feb 2019, 04:51 am
FYI The kit from Danny comes with yarn for the tweeter. Reply #8 has pictures and instructions about how to modify the tweeter.
Steve

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=152039.msg1626035#msg1626035

Glad  that  worked  for you

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 26 Feb 2019, 08:34 pm
A Super 7 monitor and   dual h-frame fully prepped and ready to  go to paint.
This set is going to be used  as a  center  channel with a pair of  Line forces.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=191227)


jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 26 Feb 2019, 10:35 pm
A Super 7 monitor and   dual h-frame fully prepped and ready to  go to paint.
This set is going to be used  as a  center  channel with a pair of  Line forces.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=191227)

jay

If it's a center channel it should look like the x-voce. :eyebrows:  That would be the biggest center channel ever!  :P

(Ok, I know that's not true.  I'm pretty sure someone used an LS-9 as a center a while back.)
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 26 Feb 2019, 11:14 pm
Yeah,  I believe Ruben built out a  few of those... LSC IIRC

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: ebag4 on 26 Feb 2019, 11:55 pm
This set is going to be used  as a  center  channel with a pair of  Line forces.

Jay, does this mean that the line force is complete and available for purchase?

Thanks,
Ed
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 27 Feb 2019, 12:11 am
yeah man,  see    the  Line  force  thread, added  some  pics  today.
We've got  enough composite in stock to do another pair   without  having to order  more.    Will bring in  more  after  the next  pair is  spoken for.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 18 Mar 2019, 03:59 am
A few updated pics of the  Super 7's build state...
Went with   House  of Kolor  "tangerine  for the  side panels,  the front baffles,  the  frontof the  sub enclosures and the  front  braces
https://www.houseofkolor.com/kolors/detail/index.html?id=S2-KBC08&ref=kolors
A couple pics
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192204)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192205)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192206)

This is  a deep  kandy  color, it is pretty cool. It can be pretty  dark  in  dim light but man, when any light hits the edges, it  POPs.
Still need to   get the bases  done in  satin black  and spray out the inside of the   rear sub enclosures (satin black as well).
Getting there 

jay

forgot the front baffles

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192208)

Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Hear Clifford Brown on 18 Mar 2019, 01:54 pm
Beautiful Jay.  Looking forward to coming up to hear them some day.  I didn't realize the painting was done before gluing them up.

Jeff
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 18 Mar 2019, 03:24 pm
Beautiful Jay.  Looking forward to coming up to hear them some day.  I didn't realize the painting was done before gluing them up.

Jeff

Thanks Jeff. The sun is poking through  the window this am and  man, it's crazy   what the HOK paint does in the sunlight.
In many cases, we paint after  asembly but  with these and the  Kandy color,  we had to go this route to keep the  color  consistant.
With the lower  rear  subs section of the  S7's being  a  separate sub assembly,  it makes it pretty easy to do,  hopefully  I still say that  after final glue up !

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: RoadTripper on 18 Mar 2019, 03:39 pm
Are you painting these at the request of a customer? If so, what's the fee?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 18 Mar 2019, 03:53 pm
Are you painting these at the request of a customer? If so, what's the fee?

No, these are staying here, at least  for now .
We have a couple local painters we use, this guy specializes in the House of Kolor paints.
Costs  can vary considerably depending on what the  customer  is looking for
jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 18 Mar 2019, 04:23 pm
Thanks Jeff. The sun is poking through  the window this am and  man, it's crazy   what the HOK paint does in the sunlight.
In many cases, we paint after  asembly but  with these and the  Kandy color,  we had to go this route to keep the  color  consistant.
With the lower  rear  subs section of the  S7's being  a  separate sub assembly,  it makes it pretty easy to do,  hopefully  I still say that  after final glue up !

jay

Jay,

You hit on my question. How are you going to assemble these seeing as glue doesn't stick to finished surfaces?

Mike
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 18 Mar 2019, 04:33 pm
There are  a  lot of different adhesives out there, won't be an issue.

I know one guy who glued the tops/bases on his triple h-frames after painting, I believe he used  a clear silicone calk and he says they are   never coming off.
 Right now  I'm  planning on letting this paint cure for a bit then  I'll clean out the dowel holes with a   drill bit so the  dowels are all   wood to wood joints, will use   yellow pva on  them.   Likely the clear  silicone or Melamane  on  the  painted  surfaces.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 18 Mar 2019, 06:33 pm
There are  a  lot of different adhesives out there, won't be an issue.

I know one guy who glued the tops/bases on his triple h-frames after painting, I believe he used  a clear silicone calk and he says they are   never coming off.
 Right now  I'm  planning on letting this paint cure for a bit then  I'll clean out the dowel holes with a   drill bit so the  dowels are all   wood to wood joints, will use   yellow pva on  them.   Likely the clear  silicone or Melamane  on  the  painted  surfaces.

jay

Let us know how well this works. I've been wondering how I am going to solidly fix the base and sides to the monitor baffle since I plan on painting the baffle but using solid wood for the sides and base. If there is an adhesive that will solidly bond a painted surface to wood I might only use wood for the sides and keep the base MDF.

Mike
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 18 Mar 2019, 06:47 pm
I don't think finding  an adhsive  to adhere to the paint will be  an issue, both the  above mentioned will .  The question  will be,  how well  is your paint adhering to the   wood.  If you don't have  decent adhesion, the glue may pull the paint  right off.
The dowels are  going to help  out as well.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 18 Mar 2019, 07:04 pm
Jay, those look amazing! :thumb:  I'm partial to orange colors anyway. 

Meanwhile, I'm over here looking at my Super 7 Monitors with either black, white, or a combo of both with Duratex.   One way or another I will make it work.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: lacro on 18 Mar 2019, 09:42 pm
I don't think finding  an adhsive  to adhere to the paint will be  an issue, both the  above mentioned will .  The question  will be,  how well  is your paint adhering to the   wood.  If you don't have  decent adhesion, the glue may pull the paint  right off.
The dowels are  going to help  out as well.

jay

Jay,
Your right the bond strength is dependent on the paints adhesion. With the dowels aligning and holding the panels snug, why not use industrial strength double sided tape for the main adhesive instead of messing with any liquid adhesive that may react with the paint. Also, you won't have any clean-up.

I attached a skeg (long fin) to a wood strip racing kayak. It hung down 4" below the boat. It was on there for 3 years going over floating logs, and dragging through seaweed. It was a real bear to finally remove. Probably as strong or stronger than any glue. Removing it didn't damage the underlying varnished surface. The smoother the surface the better for the strongest adhesion, but I have had great experience even on bare wood.

3M has several DS tapes to choose from including one recommended for wood working.

https://www.uline.com/BL_6025/3M-Double-Sided-Polyester-Film-Tape
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 18 Mar 2019, 10:25 pm
Jay,
Your right the bond strength is dependent on the paints adhesion. With the dowels aligning and holding the panels snug, why not use industrial strength double sided tape for the main adhesive instead of messing with any liquid adhesive that may react with the paint. Also, you won't have any clean-up.

I attached a skeg (long fin) to a wood strip racing kayak. It hung down 4" below the boat. It was on there for 3 years going over floating logs, and dragging through seaweed. It was a real bear to finally remove. Probably as strong or stronger than any glue. Removing it didn't damage the underlying varnished surface. The smoother the surface the better for the strongest adhesion, but I have had great experience even on bare wood.

3M has several DS tapes to choose from including one recommended for wood working.

https://www.uline.com/BL_6025/3M-Double-Sided-Polyester-Film-Tape

Hey Larry
That's a pretty good  idea,  I will look into it.  Would have to be very thin to keep from   spreading   panels apart but I'll  check out  what's  available.
Just  like the no rez, when you  stick it to  high gloss finish it  is basically not coming off without a fight and that's without  even  applying any presure to it.
Love the no mess  part, glues and paint  scare me  in this regard

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: lacro on 19 Mar 2019, 06:06 pm
Hey Larry
That's a pretty good  idea,  I will look into it.  Would have to be very thin to keep from   spreading   panels apart but I'll  check out  what's  available.
Just  like the no rez, when you  stick it to  high gloss finish it  is basically not coming off without a fight and that's without  even  applying any presure to it.
Love the no mess  part, glues and paint  scare me  in this regard

jay

Jay,
Exactly like no-Rez, the pressure sensitive adhesives on these tapes are super strong. The one 3M lists for wood working is pretty thin at 4.8 mil. In comparison a human hair is 0.003"

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192264)


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192265)

Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: SteveKi on 21 Mar 2019, 01:42 am
I now have 100+ hours on my Super 7 uppers. They live up to their reputation. Fantastic imaging, amazing detail with world class bass.

It's like hearing your music collection with new ears. I was originally going to switch back and forth with my old speakers to eventually
decide which I liked better. I could tell after a few hours of burn in, that would not be necessary. The Super 7's do everything better.

My retirement system is shaping up. I just ordered the full size Super 7 kit from Danny. I'll spend some $$ on the finishing.
I'll worry about how to move them when the issue comes up.

You know those rooms at Audio shows where some amp is playing on $25K speakers that you love.
Well I finally have that sound at my house... thank you Danny.
Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 21 Mar 2019, 03:53 pm
I now have 100+ hours on my Super 7 uppers. They live up to their reputation. Fantastic imaging, amazing detail with world class bass.

It's like hearing your music collection with new ears. I was originally going to switch back and forth with my old speakers to eventually
decide which I liked better. I could tell after a few hours of burn in, that would not be necessary. The Super 7's do everything better.

My retirement system is shaping up. I just ordered the full size Super 7 kit from Danny. I'll spend some $$ on the finishing.
I'll worry about how to move them when the issue comes up.

You know those rooms at Audio shows where some amp is playing on $25K speakers that you love.
Well I finally have that sound at my house... thank you Danny.
Regards,
Steve

Steve, that is what I do all of this for. Stories like that keep me going and thinking about what can be next.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 22 Mar 2019, 02:42 pm
I'm just glad others can finally hear the insane level of quality that the Super 7s bring to the table.  Even after 14 years of going to RMAF, the Super 7s are still the best speaker I've ever heard, outside a couple crazy line source speakers. 
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 22 Mar 2019, 04:19 pm
Getting closer...

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7892/47442515641_63430cb020_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fhki2B)
GR Research Super 7 Monitor Kit (https://flic.kr/p/2fhki2B) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/79446895@N00/)
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: PDR on 22 Mar 2019, 07:07 pm
sooooooooooooo.........jealous...... :green:
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 22 Mar 2019, 08:17 pm
sooooooooooooo.........jealous...... :green:

When  we have this pair done,  you're more than wlcome to come out and  hear them Perry.  I know  you have a relative  close  byso might work out well.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: PDR on 23 Mar 2019, 01:51 am
My father in law is in vancouver but he has a son in summerland.
They are both into audio, but my father in law is hardcore like me....lol

I'd love to come up, but still a bit early in the year for a mountain crossing.
Hoping youll have something when I do come up.

Thanks Jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 23 Mar 2019, 08:49 pm
WOW!

I received my Super-7 upper kit today.  Very well packed, great quality. Easy to assemble.
Everything is put together temporarily. I will prep and paint them when the weather warms up.
Impressive sound, even in a lousy room, I will play with placement on the weekend. I just
wanted to sit and listen tonight.
Steve

Hey Steve,
How did you mount the Neo10’s?  Did you use the gaskets? 
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: SteveKi on 23 Mar 2019, 10:23 pm
Hey Steve,
How did you mount the Neo10’s?  Did you use the gaskets?

Rob,
No I did not use the gaskets. I remembered Danny mentioning gaskets not making a difference... hopefully that was in a thread talking about the Super 7s.
Steve
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 24 Mar 2019, 05:14 am
We designed the new baffles to use the gaskets, I guess whether or not you  do   is up to you  but  I will be.
a couple different  mounting depths  were tried in the diferent prototypes.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 24 Mar 2019, 08:29 pm
So, after a marathon of painting, drying, mounting drivers, building crossovers, trouble shooting, etc they’re done!  Right away they’re already the best speakers I’ve ever owned!  Silky smooth and seamless.  They’re not even broken in and they sound fantastic!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7892/47442515641_63430cb020_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fhki2B)GR Research Super 7 Monitor Kit (https://flic.kr/p/2fhki2B) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/79446895@N00/)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7899/47404457082_4366f414b9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fdYexy) (https://flic.kr/p/2fdYexy) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/79446895@N00/)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7818/46734303334_ae08dfe5b6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ecKwbA) (https://flic.kr/p/2ecKwbA) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/79446895@N00/)
I did end up using the gaskets.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7830/46753277554_e16bda8133_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eeqLyj) (https://flic.kr/p/2eeqLyj) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/79446895@N00/)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7926/47423776062_7cd70dd5cd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ffFfpq) (https://flic.kr/p/2ffFfpq) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/79446895@N00/)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7823/47423776102_aab8a18758_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ffFfq7) (https://flic.kr/p/2ffFfq7) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/79446895@N00/)
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 24 Mar 2019, 09:11 pm
They look great  Rob  :thumb:
glad they went together  well for you

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 24 Mar 2019, 09:16 pm
So, after a marathon of painting, drying, mounting drivers, building crossovers, trouble shooting, etc they’re done!  Right away they’re already the best speakers I’ve ever owned!  Silky smooth and seamless.  They’re not even broken in and they sound fantastic!

Welcome to the club!  And trust me, they just get better and better.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Nick77 on 27 Mar 2019, 01:46 pm
I dont remember this question ever being asked??

I have the HX300 amplifier and 8 ohm drivers, is there a correction circuit available or is one necessary to build Super 7 using HX300??
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 27 Mar 2019, 02:43 pm
I dont remember this question ever being asked??

I have the HX300 amplifier and 8 ohm drivers, is there a correction circuit available or is one necessary to build Super 7 using HX300??

The HX300 amps have an added shelving circuit for the open baffle driver applications.

What you have will work for the bottom end.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Nick77 on 27 Mar 2019, 02:58 pm
The HX300 amps have an added shelving circuit for the open baffle driver applications.

What you have will work for the bottom end.

Thanks Danny, that's great news. Hmmmmm decisions decisions..........   :thumb:

Is 14' x 18' room dimensions sufficient to handle these?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 27 Mar 2019, 04:41 pm
Thanks Danny, that's great news. Hmmmmm decisions decisions..........   :thumb:

Is 14' x 18' room dimensions sufficient to handle these?

My room is really not ideal as it's essentially a dining room in a small apartment.  Nevertheless, they still sound amazing!

I'm going to be moving in the spring so hopefully I'll have a better room to put them in.

So to answer your question, yes, 14x18 is plenty of space for these.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 27 Mar 2019, 05:15 pm
I run mine in a dedicated space in the basement, 19 x 13 and they are awesome. 
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: SteveKi on 29 Mar 2019, 01:06 am

House  of Kolor  "tangerine

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192208)

Jay,
That color is growing on me more and more... as a vehicle color too. I was going to go with British Racing Green. But there is a deep rich candy red I like.

Post a picture when they are together.  BTW how do you glue/clamp them without damaging the paint?
Steve

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192639)
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 29 Mar 2019, 02:37 am
I run mine in a dedicated space in the basement, 19 x 13 and they are awesome.

Hey Steve
When we went to pick up the parts from our painter, he  was all  over the same thing... he is dying to paint  a  car in this color  now.
It's  growing on me  me   too, the more  I see it, the more  I  like it .... and in the sun it's   insane. 
We're Likely going to use a  high quality clear  silicone to glue the painted  surfaces with wood glue onthe  wooden dowels  into bare wood dowel holes. I know  someone who did the same   with pre-painted cabs andit worked very well.  clamping will  be an excercise in using caution.... only enough presure to seat   things and  no more.  Will likely cut up some micro-weave fiber to wrap around the clamps as well.

I'll for sure post  pics

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: AKLegal on 29 Mar 2019, 12:10 pm
Looking forward to pics of the construction process using silicone. 
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 9 Apr 2019, 05:01 pm
Packing  a couple of the  full kits this week.

For anyone looking for  magnets for these kits   
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=D66-N52

 for the monitor version, you'll need  16 , for the  full  S7 kit you'll need 32.
There are some lower grades for a  less  $ but they  don't  have enough  pull force,  use the  N52's

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 13 Apr 2019, 07:01 pm
Here's a  couple  updated pics of the pair we're building out here. Waiting on Neotech UPOCC wire then will build out networks and wire everything  up.Will  post more   when  we are  done...

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=193246)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=193247)



(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=193251)

First  2 full  flat packs are boxed  and ready to ship  this coming week

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Hear Clifford Brown on 14 Apr 2019, 04:48 am
Jay,
How did it go gluing the pre-painted flat pack together?  What adhesive did you use?
Jeff
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 14 Apr 2019, 04:11 pm
Jay,
How did it go gluing the pre-painted flat pack together?  What adhesive did you use?
Jeff

Hey Jeff
Went fairly well,  a bit more organized withthe 2nd cab.

we laid one wing on it's side  on top of a nice soft blanket. then we cleaned out all the dowel holes with an 8mm bit. did the same   with the dowel holes on the  edges of the  main baffle,  the rear sub sub-asembly, and the front brace.  We then glued all the dowels in to the  baffle, sub-assembly, and  brace with  wood glue   and laid out  a nice layer of clear silicone on all the surfaces of the wing  that   would recieve   the parts.  finally we   added a  drop of wood glue to each dowel hole in the wing.
Next  we  positioned all the  parts into the corresponding dowel holes.
When we did the 2nd  wing,  we did it the opposite to prevent  glue drips... we glued the  dowels into the wing and then added a drop of glue to each  hole inthe   parts .  Applied silicone to  al lthe  joing areas of the   parts and  positioned the  1 nd wing.

We stood the cabinet up on it's base with dowels  and  clamped it in numerous spots,  just  tight  enough to   keep it all scinched up. We used cardboard and  pieces of a  micro weave cloth  around each clamp to protect the paint.

Anoversight on my part,  I didn't add screw holes tothe  base nor the  bottom edge of the wings  like I've done with out  other flat packs.   the first couple pairs  going out won't have them but  I'm going to make an adjustment to all subsequent packs so that in addition to  the 4  dowels, each  base will also have  4 couinter sunk screws.
jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Hear Clifford Brown on 14 Apr 2019, 04:18 pm
Thanks for the thorough explanation Jay. Sounds fairly simple, at least for an experienced wood worker like your self.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: pk on 15 Apr 2019, 10:05 am
Hi Captainhemo,

Could you please give me the dimensions of the baffel for the monitor version? Thanks!

Best regards
Peter

Here is the monitor version  with a  base that is located between the  wings via a couple of dowels in each wing. Left it  simple so folks who don't  want  something  more abstract aren't left out.... if people want tsomething more, they can easily modify  the included bases to  something  that  suits them.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187361)


Here a couple   with  the front  grill frame/cloth in place

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187365)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187366)

From front of wing to  rear of  base is just shy of 14"  ( depth of a  dual sub cab with no overhang).
Hang  on for pricing,   I'll  notify when I can

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: RoadTripper on 15 Apr 2019, 01:32 pm
What kind of tool complement am I going to need to put mine together?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 15 Apr 2019, 03:55 pm
Hi Captainhemo,

Could you please give me the dimensions of the baffel for the monitor version? Thanks!

Best regards
Peter

Just over  27.5"  (at  center of  top)  x 13" x 1".
Then you  have  a  1.25"  wing/side panel on  either  side.



What kind of tool complement am I going to need to put mine together?

Well,  you're going to need a number of clamps,  I would recommend  at minimum 8  that will open  at  leat  13" as well as  a few shorter ones you  can use to clamp  the inner sub walls/side panels at time of glue up.  More is  always  better.

For the full kit, you'll need 32  3/8x3/8 N52 cylinder magnets  as  I posted  above (link there).
You'll need a long punch of some sort  to  push the magnets ( way down into the braces and into the rear of the baffle ( these are not nearly as deep).
A hammer or rubber mallet of some sort for the above and to be sure  dowels are  seated... be gentle on the dowels.

Various grits of sandpaper,   get a few sheets of  120, 220, and 320 /devent flat  sanding block.  A couple of those  foam sanding blocks are  handy for  working the   roundovers.   How much  a person does  with regards to prep will  greatly influence  the finished cabinets.

Wood glue  and either  a small bottle of CA or  something  like  Gorilla  Glue  for magnet installation.

Another person   to help  with glue up  when the time comes

One of these days I'll post  a couexploded views , one of the  sub assembly,  one of the  full assembly to   help with  construction.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 15 Apr 2019, 05:13 pm
Jay,

What radii roundovers did you use on the outside and inside of the side wings?

Mike
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: RoadTripper on 15 Apr 2019, 07:20 pm
All 8 of those clamps, apparently, have to be used simultaneously?? Would the squeeze handle type be good enough? Do all 8 have to spread 13 inches?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 15 Apr 2019, 09:30 pm
.75"  on outer  edges,  .25 on  inner  edges

Are you  gonna have that pair of monitors ready for  LSAF  ?


jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 15 Apr 2019, 09:33 pm
All 8 of those clamps, apparently, have to be used simultaneously?? Would the squeeze handle type be good enough? Do all 8 have to spread 13 inches?

for the main  glue up, yes, you'd be using them all at once  and I'd  saty  you  could  get  away with  7  that open   at least  13"  if yo  had a  couple  pair that  say  did  6" for the  back.
for the inner sub assembly,  you  would   not need all   7-8 pairs

Yes, the   squeeze  grip ones will do, yo don't need a ton of force to clamp these up... everytihginis   held in place via dowels you  just need to keep it all snug while it    dries
jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 15 Apr 2019, 10:33 pm
.75"  on outer  edges,  .25 on  inner  edges

Are you  gonna have that pair of monitors ready for  LSAF  ?


jay

Jay,

No can’t afford to build them out yet. I’ll have them by next year.

This is going to be an NX show. Danny will have the huge NX-Tremes with triple H-frames and I’ll have the diminutive Nx-Otica monitors with dual H-frames.

Mike
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Hear Clifford Brown on 16 Apr 2019, 01:01 am
Jay, do you know if the the midrange drivers (Neo 10) were not available a while back and now they are?  Were they made by Bohlender Grabner?  The reason I ask is PS Audio's new speakers, the AN3, uses a midrange that looks similar to the Neo 10, but I read they are no longer available and they are going to have to come up with something else.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: RoadTripper on 16 Apr 2019, 01:02 am
Can I assume those magnets are strictly for the grills? Do they have to be inserted from the start or can they be done after the whole assembly is completed? I don't really want grills but may want them down the road.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 16 Apr 2019, 01:23 am
Jay, do you know if the the midrange drivers (Neo 10) were not available a while back and now they are?  Were they made by Bohlender Grabner?  The reason I ask is PS Audio's new speakers, the AN3, uses a midrange that looks similar to the Neo 10, but I read they are no longer available and they are going to have to come up with something else.

You’re correct. There was a time after Christy Digital bought out BG that the drivers were not available. Now they are available again.

The AN3 prototype PS Audio had at Axpona has a BG Neo10 for the midrange driver.

Mike
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 16 Apr 2019, 04:39 am
Can I assume those magnets are strictly for the grills? Do they have to be inserted from the start or can they be done after the whole assembly is completed? I don't really want grills but may want them down the road.

They are indeed for the grills but, they DO need to be installed prior to glue up.  All the holes but  2 will be  covered up ... it's up to  "you" to cover/plug the  top 2 in the upper baffle.  I left mine open in case  I ever  wanted  to add  2  rear  magnets and an upper  rear  grill...

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: pk on 16 Apr 2019, 07:25 am
Hi Captainhemo,

Thanks a lot for the dimensions!

I may have missed this, but what are the magnets for?

Best regards
Peter



Just over  27.5"  (at  center of  top)  x 13" x 1".
Then you  have  a  1.25"  wing/side panel on  either  side.



Well,  you're going to need a number of clamps,  I would recommend  at minimum 8  that will open  at  leat  13" as well as  a few shorter ones you  can use to clamp  the inner sub walls/side panels at time of glue up.  More is  always  better.

For the full kit, you'll need 32  3/8x3/8 N52 cylinder magnets  as  I posted  above (link there).
You'll need a long punch of some sort  to  push the magnets ( way down into the braces and into the rear of the baffle ( these are not nearly as deep).
A hammer or rubber mallet of some sort for the above and to be sure  dowels are  seated... be gentle on the dowels.

Various grits of sandpaper,   get a few sheets of  120, 220, and 320 /devent flat  sanding block.  A couple of those  foam sanding blocks are  handy for  working the   roundovers.   How much  a person does  with regards to prep will  greatly influence  the finished cabinets.

Wood glue  and either  a small bottle of CA or  something  like  Gorilla  Glue  for magnet installation.

Another person   to help  with glue up  when the time comes

One of these days I'll post  a couexploded views , one of the  sub assembly,  one of the  full assembly to   help with  construction.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 16 Apr 2019, 03:54 pm
Attaching  the  grill frame(s)

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: pk on 16 Apr 2019, 06:49 pm
Thanks!

Best regards
Peter
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Hear Clifford Brown on 23 Apr 2019, 05:24 pm
Jay,

If I assembled the flat packs myself and then took them somewhere to have painted, what kind of shops would do that work?  Auto body or some other type of specialty paint place?   Before going down this road, would want to find out where this work could be done locally and get an estimate of the cost.

Jeff
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 23 Apr 2019, 07:32 pm
Yeah,  some body shops wil work with you .  We use  2 different  ones, both do   great  jobs but one guys specializes in   real custom  stuff and only shoots  House of Kolor products.  Hours add up really fast  so the  better  you can  prep the cabinets yourself,  the  less hours  they'll have to put into  prep.

We also have a   guy who specializes in  furniture repair/restoration as well as  new   windows.  he  can spray   lacquar  and still gets a  really  nice  finish but he's limited to  more  "basic"  colors.   His costs  are   lower  .
If you can't  find what you  want locally, let us know...  maybe  we can work something  out so you pick up a  finished bare cabinets

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Hear Clifford Brown on 23 Apr 2019, 07:55 pm
Thanks Jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: RoadTripper on 30 Apr 2019, 11:25 am
Roughly how many square feet of surface area on these? I'm trying to figure out how many cans of spray paint I'll need for one coat (as a baseline). Krylon Primer+Paint is about $6 a can for 25 sq feet. House of Color (see above Tangerine) is 6 times that much.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 30 Apr 2019, 06:37 pm
Roughly how many square feet of surface area on these? I'm trying to figure out how many cans of spray paint I'll need for one coat (as a baseline). Krylon Primer+Paint is about $6 a can for 25 sq feet. House of Color (see above Tangerine) is 6 times that much.  Thanks.

I'm going to  guess around  25 square feet -  driver cutouts per speaker  per coat. 

Remember, if you  are   thinking of using the House of Kolor tangerine, it is a  Kandy (translucent) paint as many HOK colors are.  You need to apply a base coat then multiple layers of the  Kandy followed by a  high quality clear  like the HOK  Show Clear.

jay

Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: AKLegal on 30 Apr 2019, 10:10 pm
I'm sure its been said quite a few times but Captainhemo does amazing work.  The Super 7s are my second flat pack from him and you get way more than what you pay for.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 30 Apr 2019, 10:25 pm
I'm sure its been said quite a few times but Captainhemo does amazing work.  The Super 7s are my second flat pack from him and you get way more than what you pay for.

I second that. Everything fit excellently on the stuff I recently put together.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: titaniumheads on 1 May 2019, 02:49 pm
I also just put together my super 7 flatpack from Jay. It was a perfect fit, I also glued it up with no help, just make sure you have plenty of clamps.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 1 May 2019, 04:09 pm
Thanks  guys, glad they are  going together  well  for  everyone.
for you  guys who are  waiting patiently,  we apologize  for a couple   hicups  but we're making  progress on getting caught up onthese

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 2 May 2019, 02:26 am
Getting there....

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=194161)

And to go with the  custom Uber  my buddy dave over  at  PI Audio   recently  built  and  surprised me  witha  custom  tamo Ash  case, had to build some amp boxes out of the same

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=194162)


jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: HAL on 2 May 2019, 02:32 am
Looks really good Jay!
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 2 May 2019, 02:38 am
Looks really good Jay!

thanks Rich, wish I could capture  how the paint  actually  looks...
this  may be  be a bit better  but  still not    what  one sees in room
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnSEQtbK-lY

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: ebag4 on 2 May 2019, 02:55 am
Very cool Jay, I love the colors you have picked for your last two speakers, tangerine and tequila sunrise, terrific!  Those amp cases are gorgeous as well.  Looking forward to your thoughts regarding the sound.

Best,
Ed
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: nrenter on 2 May 2019, 06:46 pm
Can you get by without using no-rez on the fronts? Hate to see any of that paint covered.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: JBELT01 on 2 May 2019, 09:59 pm
Looking good Jay, reminds me of the Tequila Sunrise Oticas that are sounding awesome in my listening room (and I don't even have proper electronics yet)!  Thanks again for such a wonderful listening session at Don's place, you guys are the ultimate hosts!  My wife was just recounting our visit to some friends here in Wenatchee, it was her first trip to Canada and you guys set the bar really high!  Subs went together perfectly but we have not painted them yet.  I did finally pick up some clamps so the amp boxes will get assembled this weekend if all goes according to plan. 
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 3 May 2019, 12:14 am
Thanks Ed.   Yes, the colors  are similar but  different... these  are  a bit more intense, especaill when the  sun hits them or  even how the room lights reflect on the  edges  I'd say. Amp boxes are  coming along,  a couple more sessions with the danish  oil  and  they should be good.  All filled up with  oil  /  Tamo Ash slurry.   I may not even top coat them... we'l see.

nrenter, ,   I know how much those  woofers load the  h-frames  so I'll be using the no-rez. Kind of a shame to cover  it up but  there will still be  lots of color visible :)


Looking good Jay, reminds me of the Tequila Sunrise Oticas that are sounding awesome in my listening room (and I don't even have proper electronics yet)!  Thanks again for such a wonderful listening session at Don's place, you guys are the ultimate hosts!  My wife was just recounting our visit to some friends here in Wenatchee, it was her first trip to Canada and you guys set the bar really high!  Subs went together perfectly but we have not painted them yet.  I did finally pick up some clamps so the amp boxes will get assembled this weekend if all goes according to plan.

Hey John,  so glad to hear  you've got the Otica's up and running    and  are enjoying them.  They are a great  set of speakers.  Also good to know  you've got the subs  all glued up and had  no issues.
Feeling is mutual   ,  you  two were  great  company,  we   had  a  really  good time  too !!  If you  are  ever back up this way, be sure to call or email .

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: SoCalWJS on 3 May 2019, 05:50 pm
Can you get by without using no-rez on the fronts? Hate to see any of that paint covered.
I would love to hear any input on this as well. I definitely want the benefits that the No-Rez provides, but there has got to be a way to make the exposed No-Rez look a bit better (doesn't there?). Even something over the front facing edges would help.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 3 May 2019, 06:23 pm
I remember when Tyson   stated that adding the no - rez to his super7's makde  a signifigant improvement and cleaned up the bottom end somewhat.
You  can  miter cut the  no-rez to give a different look

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=194205)

I'll end up  having the  full length grills in place  half the time  ... I usually remove them for any serious listening but for day to tday ,  I've often had them in place with other  speakers
jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Vedder323 on 3 May 2019, 06:43 pm
I remember when Tyson   stated that adding the no - rez to his super7's makde  a signifigant improvement and cleaned up the bottom end somewhat.
You  can  miter cut the  no-rez to give a different look

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=194205)

I'll end up  having the  full length grills in place  half the time  ... I usually remove them for any serious listening but for day to tday ,  I've often had them in place with other  speakers
jay

Enough with the foreplay Jay! Time to hear the comparisons of these beauties versus your older NX-Oticas. Give it to us straight bro!
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: AKLegal on 3 May 2019, 07:04 pm
There are  a  lot of different adhesives out there, won't be an issue.

I know one guy who glued the tops/bases on his triple h-frames after painting, I believe he used  a clear silicone calk and he says they are   never coming off.
 Right now  I'm  planning on letting this paint cure for a bit then  I'll clean out the dowel holes with a   drill bit so the  dowels are all   wood to wood joints, will use   yellow pva on  them.   Likely the clear  silicone or Melamane  on  the  painted  surfaces.

jay

What brand of caulk did you end up using?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 3 May 2019, 11:36 pm
DAP Premium.
I  used wood glue on all the dowels and dowel holes after cleaning out .
I know I've said it before but don't forget to put your  magnets in before glue up !!

Also, I was talking to a  Titebond  (Franklin)  rep  and he was telling  me there is  some new  glue/formula out that  will stick well to  smooth surfaces... I did  not  get  a name for it  but  am going  to look into it.   Remeber too,  the  silicone will stick,   just have to make  sure  you have good  adhesion  between the paint  and  substrate.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: emailtim on 4 May 2019, 03:04 am
...
You  can  miter cut the  no-rez to give a different look
.....

The front and corner bevels look great.  I saw someone else do a 1/2 flat - 1/2 bevel on the fronts that also looked great.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: SteveKi on 4 May 2019, 10:56 am
Jay,
Do you have some pictures with the Grills for these. The front is mostly hidden by the Grill isn't it?
Steve
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 4 May 2019, 04:37 pm
Enough with the foreplay Jay! Time to hear the comparisons of these beauties versus your older NX-Oticas. Give it to us straight bro!

Ron,   they aren't quite done yet .  still need to wire up the  2nd  speaker (this wekend) and am finishing the  sub amp boxes so that I can get the  A370's mounted

The front and corner bevels look great.  I saw someone else do a 1/2 flat - 1/2 bevel on the fronts that also looked great.

Yes,  folks have  cut the no-rez in different ways to  produce different looks, lots of ideas out there.  I left  these pieces a bit longer thanb normal to get as much  of the   hard damping layer contacting the panels as possible.... i bevel cut the rear edge  just  like the front to provide ample  woofer  clearence .

Steve,   I don't have the grills  wrapped yet but yes,  they do cover  most o fthe front .  The very top of the baffle (rounded  section,  is  left exposed as  are the  front edges of the side panels.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183335)




jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 8 May 2019, 09:14 pm
Eneded up doing a  few more sessions of  grain filling then finished  everything off with 3  satin top coats

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=194380)

Will post  a  fw pics of everything  finished up  in a  day or so
jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: JBELT01 on 8 May 2019, 11:17 pm
Wow, those came out great, you continue to amaze me.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: emailtim on 8 May 2019, 11:18 pm
I like the look of this partial miter cut as mentioned previously.  Found the pict and thread.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150675)

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=139529.msg1558158#msg1558158 (https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=139529.msg1558158#msg1558158)

Eneded up doing a  few more sessions of  grain filling then finished  everything off with 3  satin top coats
...

Those amp boxes look fantastic.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 8 May 2019, 11:56 pm
I like the look of this partial miter cut as mentioned previously.  Found the pict and thread.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150675)

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=139529.msg1558158#msg1558158 (https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=139529.msg1558158#msg1558158)

Those amp boxes look fantastic.

The NoRez in this picture is both mitered and beveled. I've done it this way for a client and to me it looks neater than square cut but it used about 1/3 more NoRez than straight cut so order extra NoRez.

Mike
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: SlushPuppy on 9 May 2019, 12:49 am
Eneded up doing a  few more sessions of  grain filling then finished  everything off with 3  satin top coats

Will post  a  fw pics of everything  finished up  in a  day or so
jay

Jay, that looks awesome! Really nice work  :thumb:
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 12 May 2019, 03:12 am
Thanks   guys.
The  7's  are up and   running  now,  getting them  dialed in and they are  soudning  great.  Soundstage is impressive... I thought  they  might  give  some up  to  the Otica's here but so far, we're  all good.     Just  doing  some  sub  and placement   tweakeing  .
Today  has been the   best  soudning  day..  hurs, tweaks,  position... I don't  know    but  they  are  sounding ood  and   I'm  continuing to   make  adjustments

Pics  soon



jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: titaniumheads on 24 May 2019, 02:28 pm
Jay, any updates as far as how they are sounding? Really interested to hear your take on them compared to the NX-oticas.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 24 May 2019, 05:50 pm
Jay, any updates as far as how they are sounding? Really interested to hear your take on them compared to the NX-oticas.

I'm going to take some final pics soon and post  some impressions.   I'm getting quite a few hours on them now and am really enjoying them.  thought I was going to miss the imaging of the  Otica's  but so far  so good. The speed and  detail of the  Neo's is pretty incredible.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mlundy57 on 24 May 2019, 05:58 pm
I'm going to take some final pics soon and post  some impressions.   I'm getting quite a few hours on them now and am really enjoying them.  thought I was going to miss the imaging of the  Otica's  but so far  so good. The speed and  detail of the  Neo's is pretty incredible.

jay

Jay,

What do the Otica’s do better?

Mike
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 24 May 2019, 06:01 pm
I'm going to take some final pics soon and post  some impressions.   I'm getting quite a few hours on them now and am really enjoying them.  thought I was going to miss the imaging of the  Otica's  but so far  so good. The speed and  detail of the  Neo's is pretty incredible.

jay

Yes!!!  Speed and detail is among the best I've heard.  The very cool thing is that the speakers never, ever sound cold or analytical.  You get that crazy detail, that huge soundstage and that flawless mid/tweeter integration with zero hardness, harshness or edge of any kind. 
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 26 May 2019, 04:55 am
The Super 7's are Super Smooth and can rock just fine.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: kheidenr on 12 Jun 2019, 04:24 pm
Jay,

Any updates on your thoughts of the Super 7s and NX-Oticas?  What are you hearing and what are the strengths of those awesome speaker systems?

Thanks,

Ken
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 13 Jun 2019, 05:38 am
soon man,  meant to  get  back to this  tonight but  got  tied up  with the  hockey game.
Loved the  Lela  and  blues   story, so cool  and what  an incredible run by St Louis   :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: titaniumheads on 8 Jul 2019, 03:23 pm
Just wanted to give Jay Kudos for doing an outstanding job on the flat packs. The packaging was bombproof and the assembly fit together like a Swiss watch. Two people assembling and clamping would have been a little easier but I did it without help and I am by no means a woodworker.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 15 Jul 2019, 07:55 pm
These are finally  all  finished up  now so  a few final pics, possibly some ideas for folks who are  building   these from  packs or who want   finished cabs.
Here you  can see  we  mounted both the tube connectors as well as  a female Speekon conector for the subs at the rear  edge of the  side panels.   On the inside  , I peeled back the foam  of the norez so the wiring  could  be  tucked away nice and neat. After wiring, some spray adhesive  sticks the  foam down  and it's all hidden away.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=196661)

Crossovers are built on some  3/8" Medex and painted with   bed liner to match the  Duratex'd  rear sub cabinets.  We glued a sheet of 1/4"  Sorbathane to the botom of each board and trimmed  to  match the boards. We used  Clarity CMR caps for  the high pas filter bypassed with  Milflex Cu and  a Gortz Alpha Core  foil inductor.
Low pass   filter consists of a  Gortz Alpha Core  foil inductor  and a soniccap G1 bypased with the  Milflex Cu.  The notch  filter was left as is.
Wiring from  the tube connectors  to the  networks and then on to the drivers is all Neotech UPOCC solid 16 in Teflon.  The input wires to the networks  come up  through the top of the  rear sub cabinet and  enter through the bottom of the c/o board right at the   high pass cap and low pass inductor..  Boards are secured via  4  hex driver screws ( had some kicking around for the  SW12's)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=196662)

Found some cool little wiring clips on Amazon to route  wiring up  right against the  wing. they  come with  some  3M PSA on the back of each one so easy to install.   I could only  use them  on the tweeter  and top 2 Neo10's, they were a  touch small  for fitting the  entire bundle in the  lower  Neo10's.  Need to find  some larger  ones  for those
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=196671)

All the Neo10 screw holes were  tapped (M3.5 non-bottoming tap) before mounting  each Neo10 & gasket  with some hex drive M3.5 x 12mmmachine screws
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=196675)


The amp boxes were wrapped in some Tamo Ash veneer to match   a custom  Uber bus  from Dave over  at  PI Audio.  the boxes are also fitted with femaile  Speekon Connectors.  A patch cable  was made for  each  speaker with a male Speekon Connector on each  end , you can see it above in the first  pic.  The boxes  were finished in danish oil topped with Satin Arm R Seal
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=196672)


We finally  got to the grills, well ,  Don did.   He  got the hang of it  pretty   quick, he's even got the  rear  side  nice  and neat. He cut the cloth  slightly oversized then  sprayed the entire  rear side of the grill frame with  spray adhesive.  Stick the cloth  all the way down  one side before  stretching it across the front  and  up  and over the other  edge.  Once the  2 sides  were  stuck,  he repeated for the  ends.    trim the excess  from the corners with a sharp  razor  and then work the  corners until  you  get them tight with no bunching.  Last but not least,  trim  all the way around the inside edge of the   grill frame with  the  razor.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=196658)

The  6 N52 3/8 x 3/8 cylinder magnets  do a great  job of holding them in place... in fact,  you  need to be a little careful when removing them  as   you  don't  want to snap  a grill frame !
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=196659)

And  one without the grills
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=196660)


And yes, I know.. promised a  bit of a write up   in regards to the S7's  / Otica's....keep meaing to do  it ....

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Hear Clifford Brown on 16 Jul 2019, 12:23 am
Look fabulous Jay!
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: ebag4 on 16 Jul 2019, 01:35 am
Those look amazing Jay.  They look like they sound like a million bucks! :thumb: it’s a shame to cover up that paint job but the grill really finishes them out nicely.  Beautiful speakers.

Best,
Ed
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 16 Jul 2019, 01:41 am
It might be cool to have the grill in 2 pieces, one for the top section and one for the bottom.  That way you could take off the top portion and see the aesthetically nice part of the speaker, will keeping the bottom section covering the less nice looking bottom norez section.

And those look awesome, BTW.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: morganc on 16 Jul 2019, 03:14 pm
It might be cool to have the grill in 2 pieces, one for the top section and one for the bottom.  That way you could take off the top portion and see the aesthetically nice part of the speaker, will keeping the bottom section covering the less nice looking bottom norez section.

And those look awesome, BTW.

That's a great idea Tyson.   
And yes, phenomenal!!!!

Question:  what would a fully assembled pair similar to this one cost? 
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 16 Jul 2019, 04:32 pm
Tyson,    the split grills  were thought about but it's tough when  you're trying to put together  a  kit that will work for everyone, not an easy task.  Kind of the same thing regarding the  tube connectors  / speekon connector...  had we  pre-drilled  those holes in the side panel, there'd be unhappy  customers  who didn't  want them there. Nice thing  about  a kit is that  folks  can tailor things to suit  their personal preferences.  If someone  wants something    customized, we can   likely accomadate them , it just  takes time.   

Morgan,   cost for a fully asembled, ready to play  pair  would  likely end up   somewhere between $10 - $14 kdepending on   cross over  parts selection, paint  etc etc.  As mentioned  earlier in the thread,  the above pair is painted in House of Kolor Tangerine  Kandy... there's 5 layers of it  followed by a  few coats of the   HOK Show Clear.  This type of finish adds up  on it's own butyou get an amazing  finish.  Pics do not do it justice.  We have a painter  who  sprays lacuqr  as well, far less expensive  but    much more  basic color selection. He still does  a great  job, it's just  different.   Actually, the  satin black bases on  these  were    done  by  him as were the  Line Force speakers  in  another  thread. (https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=159717.80)

Remember too,  these originally retailed   for   approx $20k,  upgraded networks, wire  etc  would have all been   an additional cost.

jay
jay

Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 16 Jul 2019, 06:15 pm
Tyson,    the split grills  were thought about but it's tough when  you're trying to put together  a  kit that will work for everyone, not an easy task.  Kind of the same thing regarding the  tube connectors  / speekon connector...  had we  pre-drilled  those holes in the side panel, there'd be unhappy  customers  who didn't  want them there. Nice thing  about  a kit is that  folks  can tailor things to suit  their personal preferences.  If someone  wants something    customized, we can   likely accomadate them , it just  takes time.   

Morgan,   cost for a fully asembled, ready to play  pair  would  likely end up   somewhere between $10 - $14 kdepending on   cross over  parts selection, paint  etc etc.  As mentioned  earlier in the thread,  the above pair is painted in House of Kolor Tangerine  Kandy... there's 5 layers of it  followed by a  few coats of the   HOK Show Clear.  This type of finish adds up  on it's own butyou get an amazing  finish.  Pics do not do it justice.  We have a painter  who  sprays lacuqr  as well, far less expensive  but    much more  basic color selection. He still does  a great  job, it's just  different.   Actually, the  satin black bases on  these  were    done  by  him as were the  Line Force speakers  in  another  thread. (https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=159717.80)

Remember too,  these originally retailed   for   approx $20k,  upgraded networks, wire  etc  would have all been   an additional cost.

jay
jay



Even at the original cost of $20k, they were underpriced, particularly when compared to the performance level and cost of other top line speakers.  Basically the Super 7s spanked pretty much everything at RMAF and based on performance alone should probably have been priced at $30k originally.  If they'd been made by a mainstream company it probably would be closer to $50k.  Yeah, they're that good.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Wind Chaser on 22 Jul 2019, 09:50 pm
I envy you guys who have the skill to do such fine work. If I was going to spend 20K or more on speakers I'm 100% confident I could buy these without hearing them and just be done with it once and for all.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tomy2Tone on 22 Jul 2019, 09:58 pm
Has anybody made just the top half of the Super 7's? I think I remember it being mentioned when these became available again of offering just the tweeter/midrange section for those who may already have servo subs so just wondering if anybody has actually done that.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 23 Jul 2019, 12:10 am
Has anybody made just the top half of the Super 7's? I think I remember it being mentioned when these became available again of offering just the tweeter/midrange section for those who may already have servo subs so just wondering if anybody has actually done that.

Yep.  Go back to page 9.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tomy2Tone on 23 Jul 2019, 12:30 am
Yep.  Go back to page 9.

Awesome, thank you! How much was the kit for those?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 23 Jul 2019, 03:19 am
$2400 plus shipping for drivers and crossovers

$525 plus shipping for cabinets

They make me very happy!  :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 23 Jul 2019, 04:40 am
we have the   s7 monitors in stock but price is  $550 + shipping
I'm sure  Rob   and a couple others will verify  they are  very  easy to assemble and  don packs them up  so that they are basically  bomb proof... they'll arive  safe  and  sound  !
We can send   out  asembled  cabinets  as well  but   shipping  costs increase  due to  box  sizes.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 23 Jul 2019, 04:43 am
I envy you guys who have the skill to do such fine work. If I was going to spend 20K or more on speakers I'm 100% confident I could buy these without hearing them and just be done with it once and for all.   :thumb:

If you  are  ever  serious about  a pair  John  let me know,  sure we   can do you a fully  built  pair for signifigantly  less

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 23 Jul 2019, 12:31 pm
I stand corrected.  Still a great price for what you get!   :thumb:
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Wind Chaser on 23 Jul 2019, 06:32 pm
If you  are  ever  serious about  a pair  John  let me know,  sure we   can do you a fully  built  pair for signifigantly  less

That would be awesome, especially if they are finished at that level.  :D

Unfortunately my Tinnitus has escalated to an almost intolerable level. Over the past six weeks or so I haven’t been able to sit down and enjoy music - at any volume. Desperate for some relief.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 1 Aug 2019, 06:53 pm
Hey  folks
 With these  new  full S7   kits you  can follow  this   wiring info I grabbed  from   a post  I did  with  wiring   instructions/diagrams  for   most of the  more  common  configurations.

This is the one  you  want  for these   new  S7's

DUALS WITH  BOTH WOOFERS FACING FORWARD

Driver Coils
Big red lead from  A370 to lower woofer + driver coil, then from there to upper woofer + driver coil.
Big black lead from amp to  lower  woofer - driver coil, then from there to  upper woofer - driver coil.
Driver coil wiring done.

Servo Coils
Small red wire from amp to  lower  woofer + servo coil
Run a wire from the lower woofer - servo coil  to the upper woofer + servo coil
Finally, run the  small black wire from the amp to the upper  woofer - servo coil.
Servo coils  done.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=161051)
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mkane on 3 Aug 2019, 05:39 pm
 We have the Subparts covered. Is there a price for the hardware top half only?
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mkane on 3 Aug 2019, 05:58 pm
 Can I buy Super 7 uppers? That would mean we could rotate 3 different types.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 3 Aug 2019, 08:03 pm
Yes,  we have the  S7  monitors in stock.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mkane on 3 Aug 2019, 08:29 pm
PM headed in towards you. thx
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 4 Aug 2019, 03:48 pm
captaihemo at  shaw.ca 

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mkane on 5 Aug 2019, 02:24 am
thank you
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: mkane on 28 Aug 2019, 02:40 am
S7 moniters are here. Time to get moving.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: kheidenr on 6 Oct 2019, 04:51 pm
Jay,

So what do you hear as the differences between the NX-Oticas and the Super 7?  And If I went the Super 7 monitor and OB Sub platform route how do you think that differs in sound from the Super 7?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: corndog71 on 6 Oct 2019, 05:20 pm
Jay,

So what do you hear as the differences between the NX-Oticas and the Super 7?  And If I went the Super 7 monitor and OB Sub platform route how do you think that differs in sound from the Super 7?

Thanks!

The two versions of Super 7 shouldn’t sound any different but having separate monitors makes for much easier moving.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 6 Oct 2019, 06:43 pm
Jay,

So what do you hear as the differences between the NX-Oticas and the Super 7?  And If I went the Super 7 monitor and OB Sub platform route how do you think that differs in sound from the Super 7?

Thanks!

There are differences   but  I'm not sure they are as dramatic as people may think.
First off, the Super 7's ( full towers or   monitors) are more dfficient, say  96  vs   approx  92.  The Super 7's , again,  full tower or  sub/monitor combo,  will take up   less real-estate in your room than the  full NX-Otica and  a pair of h-frames.

The Super 7's are defiitely   what I would cal lfaster than the NX-oticas, especially in the mid range  when you  are  listening to stringed instraments. Not knocking the  Otica's here in any way but  man, the Super 7's are   so clean and detailed in this area.   The NX Otica's   I'd say offer up a bit more "body"  or " fullness" in the  vocal department, I love how the  NQ's do  this..  Another thing I reall y liked about the NX-Oticas was the 4 M165/M165X drivers  covering from  say 75hz -180 ish hz  region. They definitely provide a lot of impact and realizm in the upper bass/lower midrange  area that I  don't feel the Super 7's quite match.

 With both speakers having the GR Neo 3 mounted in  waveguides and  basically aligned with the voice coils of the midrange  drivers, both sets   integreate mids/highs extremely well. Same tweeter  used in both so  the upper  end is  very similar... the NX-Otica is ina slighlty deeper waveguid and  being slightly less efficient, use a small resistor   to pad down the tweeter while the  S7 tweeter is run wide open.

I was worried  I was going to give up someimaging when I moved to the Super7's (13" wide baffle + 1.25" side wing on either side vs NX Otica 8.5" baffle with .5"  radius on each side)  but I have not found that   to be the case.  In fact,  sometimes  I feel the  S7's  may image a  bit deeper than the Otica's did.  I don't have the Otica's hear any longer so   I can't physically do any a/b  swaps and report on them..... wish I could as it's hard to make comparisons from membery.

With the Otica's and subs (full Oticas), you'll get  a bit more flexability  ith regards to sub placement.  Withthe Super 7's, youi're locked into subplacement  being fully dependent on where you  want the speakers, and that  goes for the monitor version as well as  with the high sub / midrange c/o point, you want to keep  the subs / MTM's completely   on top of each other.  Youi're corssing signifigantly lower with the Oticas so moving the subs and having a bit of space between them and the mains is not  such a big deal.

Don't under estimate   either  set of these speakers, youi're going to be impressed  when listening to either  .  To try and make that  a bit clearer but not likely   help you  choose  would be to say ,  " am I glad  I  now own the Super7's?  " ,  Yes I am, I love them !  But, at the same time " Woiuld I be disappointed if I   had heard the Super7's and  owned the NX-Otica's/dual h-frames ?"     No, not at all    :thumb:

EDIT:   One thing  I forgot to mention   is the transparehncy  of both models.  Both of these  speakers  ( it's actually  a trait of the  GR speakers) just  disappear into the room when you get them dialed in.  Came in for a  glass of  vino after   a day in the shop  and am listening  to some  tunes......   you  can close you esyes and there  are s imply no spekaers in the room, just   music.  And, without  having the  NX Otica's   on hand,  I  can say it   is  a trait they  have  as well,  I remember  it well. 
Promised myself  I was  gonna catch up on  some house  work and cook a  decent  dinner  this eve but .....  now I'm  stuck in here and   probably  going  nowhere  fast   LOL
jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Danny Richie on 7 Oct 2019, 05:10 pm
Jay really nailed it. That is a very detailed and spot on comparison.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: kheidenr on 7 Oct 2019, 07:18 pm
Thank you Jay for your detailed thoughts.  This is very helpful.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: PMAT on 7 Oct 2019, 10:01 pm
Jay really nailed it. That is a very detailed and spot on comparison.
No, what he really nailed was getting stuck in the music with a glass of wine and great sound. It’s my favorite thing to be late for work for. Well, without the wine anyway.  It’s just so awesome to be lost in the music, the psychological and the physical aspects together.
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 8 Oct 2019, 04:11 pm
No, what he really nailed was getting stuck in the music with a glass of wine and great sound. It’s my favorite thing to be late for work for. Well, without the wine anyway.  It’s just so awesome to be lost in the music, the psychological and the physical aspects together.


:wink:  :wine:

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Jaytor on 8 Oct 2019, 08:32 pm
Jay -  Thanks for the detailed summary regarding the differences between the NX-Oticas and the Super-7s. These are the two designs that really intrigue me. I'm leaning toward the Super-7s because I like the one-box design and the styling, and have always been a fan of planar drivers.

All the Super-7s I've seen photos of are painted. Do you think it's reasonable to considering veneering the side panels (and maybe the top of the baffle where it's exposed above the grill), or do the curves make this impractical?

Thanks,
another Jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 21 Oct 2019, 12:01 am
Hi Jay
Sorry,  I missed this  post  somehow.....
Veneering the side panels would be tricky due to all the rounded edges that  follow  the curves of the cabinet  Woiuld probably  be better  making the  wings  from   hardwood if that's the route  you  want to go.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Jaytor on 21 Oct 2019, 01:40 am
Hi Jay -

No worries. Thanks for the reply.

I spent a while perusing the forums to try to get a handle on the pros and cons of the Super-7s vs the NX-Oticas and decided to go with the NX-Oticas. I placed my order a few days ago.

I'll be wanting a set of triple-12 OB flatpacks to go with them at some point in the next few months, but want to get the NX-Oticas at least underway before I get these on order.

Can't wait. From everything I've read and seen in photos/videos, you do amazing work with these flatpacks.

Cheers,
Jay


Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Captainhemo on 21 Oct 2019, 02:16 am
Hi Jay -

No worries. Thanks for the reply.

I spent a while perusing the forums to try to get a handle on the pros and cons of the Super-7s vs the NX-Oticas and decided to go with the NX-Oticas. I placed my order a few days ago.

I'll be wanting a set of triple-12 OB flatpacks to go with them at some point in the next few months, but want to get the NX-Oticas at least underway before I get these on order.

Can't wait. From everything I've read and seen in photos/videos, you do amazing work with these flatpacks.

Cheers,
Jay

Ahh, ok.   I talked to Danny  briefly about  your  pack   late last  week.  Getting it all ready to go   this week,  just need to pick up some   new cardboard.     Everthing else is in stock  so   just a matter of getting the boxes   "stamped" out. 
Give me a heads up when you  want , or  are getting close to wanting the triples  ....   I do have to get  some  cutting in   to   get a pair of  those  ready  to go
Will need to shoot some emails/phone call back and  forth  when you're at the sub point  to determine  how you  want them  configured /  edge  finishing  etc.

jay
Title: Re: Super 7 Flat Packs.....
Post by: Tyson on 18 Nov 2019, 12:46 am
Oops, wrong thread.