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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: jaxwired on 13 Jul 2016, 12:54 pm
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OK, I've been complaining about the dismal bryston remote situation for years. I hate the BR2 for operating a BP6 or BP26 because it's so bulky and un-ergonomic with all buttons the same size in a completely symmetrical layout. PLUS, my biggest gripe with the BR2 for these preamps is that I only use 3 buttons, volume up/down and mute. All other buttons are useless. Bryston used to make a very nice 3 button remote for these preamps, but stopped making them years ago and they are very difficult to acquire anymore (believe me, I've tried). So...what to do....well, I finally found a guy that will make a custom aluminum remote for these Bryston preamps. This remote is small, well made, elegant, and matches the Bryston preamp finish well. Plus it has just 3 buttons! Pictures below. Operates my BP6 perfectly. The guy that makes these is named Curt and also sells other audiophile products he builds. He is a great guy and great to deal with. Below is a link to these remotes on ebay for anyone else interested. (special thanks to BrystonTony for loaning me a BR2 to get the codes in this remote correct!).
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww146/shopefamily/audioshark/DSCF1972_zpsw5m5rlfq.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww146/shopefamily/audioshark/DSCF1973_zpsfisbwpxq.jpg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Remote-Control-for-Bryston-BP6-Preamplifier-Brushed-Aluminum-/191920960887?hash=item2caf617577:g:AX4AAOSww9VXhWl5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Remote-Control-for-Bryston-BP6-Preamplifier-Brushed-Aluminum-/191920960887?hash=item2caf617577:g:AX4AAOSww9VXhWl5)
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What's the weight of it? I've got an old B60 with the huge chunky remote... I feel like I could fight off a home invader with this thing. Weighs in at 261g on my postage scale.
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That's a slick remote, well done.
I love the heft of my BR2 remote -- then I know that when (not if) I drop it on the floor, it will still work (and it has!).
...and it controls all of my front-end Bryston gear. BDA, BCD, BDP, BP17. :thumb:
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Now that's one handsome remote! I wonder what's the cost..
Btw.. Anyone know the code for BP26 on the br2? My battery died and it lost all the memory...
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Geez, that's over $53.00 a button. The BR2 is a much better buy at little over $11.00 a button.
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Now that's one handsome remote! I wonder what's the cost..
Btw.. Anyone know the code for BP26 on the br2? My battery died and it lost all the memory...
http://bryston.com/products/other/BR2.html
james
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Jaxwired,
Will the one shown in your URL also work for the BP26?
-Mike
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If this works with the BP26, I too would love to have one. I wish Bryston still made a simple remote that wasn't $400. No offense to Bryston.
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I'd be fine with a cheap plastic remote to work with the BDP-1. Just to control the basic functions. Apple Remote even...
I have so many cheap devices under $100 that all came with remote and have very good functionality. A remote like that shouldn't be more than $20-$30. The ones that came with Marantz looked nice and worked with multiple devices: CD players and amps.
How is the Bryston remote $400!? Somebody please justify that to me. I might very well have a poor understanding of all the factors involved, so I'm all ears.
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How is the Bryston remote $400!? Somebody please justify that to me. I might very well have a poor understanding of all the factors involved, so I'm all ears.
North American labor and profit margins from dealers.
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Most of the cost in the $375 dollar Bryston remote is the aluminium case - guts are not really that expensive. In order to do a plastic case you have to purchase thousands - we are looking at alternatives but so far no luck.
james
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North American labor and profit margins from dealers.
Even then, that's ridiculous. Also, I understand having dealers and showrooms for audio equipment to try out, but a remote is something that Bryston should sell straight to the customers. There is no need for an audition.
Most of the cost in the $375 dollar Bryston remote is the aluminium case - guts are not really that expensive. In order to do a plastic case you have to purchase thousands - we are looking at alternatives but so far no luck.
james
That makes sense about the plastics. Although you would know the best about how many customers would purchase a plastic remote if it came for cheap. I suspect a few thousand would go quite fast with the current base. I really hope I can look forward to a cheap remote. I would rather spend money on audio upgrades.
With Roon's near limitless shuffle and automatic play features, the remote would be excellent. Just select a song initially from a graphic device and then just the remote to skip tracks while walking around or doing anything else.
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With Roon's near limitless shuffle and automatic play features, the remote would be excellent. Just select a song initially from a graphic device and then just the remote to skip tracks while walking around or doing anything else.
Isn't that what the App is for....? Can even control volume.
Cheers,
Marius
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I have always appreciated the machined metal of both my Bryston remotes. When I pick one up the the solid feel reminds me of how well built their components are.....feel fuzzy inside :P . Dear Mr Bryston please do not abandon your good work ; they're worth the price . Plasic will always seem cheap no matter how well done it is.....IMO :thumb:
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Isn't that what the App is for....? Can even control volume.
Cheers,
Marius
Yes, I have the App for iOS on my iPhone and iPad, but still prefer a tactile remote. I have memorized all my remotes in the house and can operate any device subconsciously without seeing the remote or thinking about it. Haven't been able to do that with any other App devices. Plus, I hate having the phone on me at all times. Firstworldproblems.
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(special thanks to BrystonTony for loaning me a BR2 to get the codes in this remote correct!).
Glad I could help. Enjoy the new 4B3.
Tony
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Val Alstine,,,,,Coda other tha the learning remote then have a cheap black plasic remote.Basicly any configuration. Val Alstine,haslike 3 buttons Mine when i got a coda preamp ,like $30.00.Im sure other companies use this almost same remote. Im looking for value. I understand heft and metal,but god dang Bryston and others, some not all fancy heavy. Im probably nit picking and i dont own any Bryson, but i expect better.Get a 30 dollar remote and give $370 to your fav charity.
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@RMurray: Have you ever seen/felt the old BP25 remote? I'm afraid to take mine out of my house for fear that I might be charged with carrying a deadly weapon. :lol:
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james
could you do a remote with a thick-walled plastic case with same dimensions as BR-2 using the circuit board/buttons/membrane from BR-2 ?
single cavity injection mould using premium high-density plastic material with textured surface :thumb:
steven
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james
could you do a remote with a thick-walled plastic case with same dimensions as BR-2 using the circuit board/buttons/membrane from BR-2 ?
single cavity injection mould using premium high-density plastic material with textured surface :thumb:
steven
Hi Steven
Yes we have looked at that and they literally want many thousands of units ordered - not workable in a small company. I think the best option for those that do not want ti use the Bryston remote is to buy a learning remote and download the codes.
james
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A well made remote is part of the presentation. It's all about the 'complete package' . just like after spending 100k on a posh car, when you sit in it you'd expect all things silver to be made of metal, not cheap plastic. It's the basis of making picky people happy and pay ---- the presentation.
The BR2 is nice, milled from a solid block of Alu and can control everything with backlight .
But styling wise I think there's still room for improvement...
1,It's too thick and short . long and thin is better, like a MP40 magazine, around 30cm long with dedicated area for large volume control buttons. Heavy is good, heavy equals quality :green: aim for 2 pounds .
2,buttons are well made but too small and blue backlight can be quite difficult to read.
3, the finishing is quite rough.. Especially on the edges. How about nice simple matte silver.
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If this works with the BP26, I too would love to have one. I wish Bryston still made a simple remote that wasn't $400. No offense to Bryston.
Mr. Fisher made one for my BP26. It works fine and has that bulletproof feel that is reputed to be a feature of the original BP26 remote.
-Mike
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That's a slick remote, well done.
I love the heft of my BR2 remote -- then I know that when (not if) I drop it on the floor, it will still work (and it has!).
...and it controls all of my front-end Bryston gear. BDA, BCD, BDP, BP17. :thumb:
I really like the weight and feel of the remote. The only drawback is that if you do drop it on edge you can put a dent in your hardwood floors. The only other drop that has dented the Hickory was an espresso tamper.
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Jaxwired,
Will the one shown in your URL also work for the BP26?
-Mike
I'm sure Curt could make one that works with the bp26 as well. Reach out to him via that eBay link.
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Hi Steven
Yes we have looked at that and they literally want many thousands of units ordered - not workable in a small company. I think the best option for those that do not want ti use the Bryston remote is to buy a learning remote and download the codes.
james
I tried two different harmony remotes and never got it to work the bp6. However I was able to get a cheap learning remote to work but it was the kind that you hold up the original remote and shoot the codes into the learning remote. Obviously this requires you actually have the original manufactures remote.
This custom remote from Curt operates everything that can be operated on the bp6 and it looks great and it feels nice in the hand. And it cost a third of the Br2.
The best solution would be for Bryston to allow the use of the Apple remote. Several audiophile products allow this.
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I'm sure Curt could make one that works with the bp26 as well. Reach out to him via that eBay link.
I just received a notification today from him via eBay. The BP26 version is available. :thumb:
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I'm sure Curt could make one that works with the bp26 as well. Reach out to him via that eBay link.
If you read my post a couple up from yours, you will note that Mr. Fisher (Curt) already made one for me, and that I like it very much. Thanks for pointing out his ebay listing to me.
-Mike
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Have 2 Harmony 650 remotes that are programed to control my BP-25 - cheap-easy-and if that's what you want- a nice alternative to the hunk o metal four button remote i got with the BP-25. Let's let the engineers at Bryston concentrate on what matters - the "perfect" remote isn't worth the effort -since we all have different ideas what that is ? Probably for identical reasons - a lot like the perfect pocket knife.
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I've got the BP25 remote too - and I love it. I tell all my friends that this is what a remote designed by an engineering company looks like! :lol:
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Just placed the order for a BP26 remote. I will post feedback/pics shortly after it arrives.
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I received my BP26 remote today. Overall, I'm pleased with it. It works as expected and has a high build quality. I did not realize how small it was until I had it in had. However, it does fit nicely in the palm.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147935)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147936)
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OK, I've been complaining about the dismal bryston remote situation for years. I hate the BR2 for operating a BP6 or BP26 because it's so bulky and un-ergonomic with all buttons the same size in a completely symmetrical layout. PLUS, my biggest gripe with the BR2 for these preamps is that I only use 3 buttons, volume up/down and mute. All other buttons are useless. Bryston used to make a very nice 3 button remote for these preamps, but stopped making them years ago and they are very difficult to acquire anymore (believe me, I've tried). So...what to do....well, I finally found a guy that will make a custom aluminum remote for these Bryston preamps. This remote is small, well made, elegant, and matches the Bryston preamp finish well. Plus it has just 3 buttons! Pictures below. Operates my BP6 perfectly. The guy that makes these is named Curt and also sells other audiophile products he builds. He is a great guy and great to deal with. Below is a link to these remotes on ebay for anyone else interested. (special thanks to BrystonTony for loaning me a BR2 to get the codes in this remote correct!).
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww146/shopefamily/audioshark/DSCF1972_zpsw5m5rlfq.jpg)
I would like to get one of these remotes for my BP26, but the link no longer connects to the manufacturer. Does anyone know how I can get one of these remotes for the BP26?
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww146/shopefamily/audioshark/DSCF1973_zpsfisbwpxq.jpg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Remote-Control-for-Bryston-BP6-Preamplifier-Brushed-Aluminum-/191920960887?hash=item2caf617577:g:AX4AAOSww9VXhWl5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Remote-Control-for-Bryston-BP6-Preamplifier-Brushed-Aluminum-/191920960887?hash=item2caf617577:g:AX4AAOSww9VXhWl5)
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Hello,
I know its quite an ancient thread but I would love to have one of these remotes for my BP26. Anyone know if they or similar are still available somewhere?
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Still looking a for a simple remote for my BP26.
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If you don't mind plastic, these work very well...
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=172296.msg1822106#msg1822106
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=259643)
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If the main issue with injection molded enclosures is that you have to order them in bulk, why doesn't bryston invest in industrial grade 3D printers?
3D printing has come a long way, especially in the last decade. Even high end consumer rigs can create clean prints that with a bit of sanding and treatment look on par with injection molded plastic. Industrial grade printers can offer different filament sizes, different filament types, etc. That way bryston could just build them to order since they would have the machines in house to create them.
Alternatively there are lots of companies where all they have are warehouses full of 3D printers where you mail order prints. You could order as small as one unit or up into the thousands
I feel like this would be a cost effective way to offer a cheaper remote while still not having to worry about massive overhead in stock or investment over working with a injection molded kits.