Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?

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bbsupersport

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Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« on: 22 Feb 2024, 02:04 pm »
Hi, I have been thinking of acquiring a Bryston BCD-1. Does anyone know whether or not Bryston is still able to service them?
I don't play a lot of CDs these days, but I really like the build quality of my BDA-3.14 and would like to add a Bryston CD player to my system. Also, I don't feel that I play enough CDs to warrant spending what a BCD-3 costs.
I would appreciate hearing any thoughts or opinions.
Thank you.

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #1 on: 22 Feb 2024, 02:26 pm »
Hi

We can not get the Phillips drives any longer so as long as the drive is working correctly all is fine.

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #2 on: 22 Feb 2024, 03:50 pm »
I was in a similar situation  - own a BDP-3.14 and couldn't justify the price of a BCD-3 as I rarely play cds ..... do own some SACDs that I play regularly so the solution was to buy a universal disk player with hdmi audio out (must be able to output raw dsd...bitstream) and connect to hdmi on the 3.14.....works perfectly....I can play cds, sacds, blu ray audio through the wonderful 3.14 dac...which afaik is the same dac as the BDC-3.....Sony, Pioneer, Oppo are some the brands that will work. I use a Sony UBP-X800M2...it's just a disk player no dac or analog outputs...only digital outputs

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #3 on: 23 Feb 2024, 12:27 pm »
Thanks for the info and the quick reply, James.

Hi

We can not get the Phillips drives any longer so as long as the drive is working correctly all is fine.

james

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #4 on: 23 Feb 2024, 12:33 pm »
Hi PeterG, thanks for sharing, you make some very good points. I was so focused on a Bryston player that I hadn't given much consideration to another brand. Even though I don't currently own any sacds, it would be nice to try some.

I was in a similar situation  - own a BDP-3.14 and couldn't justify the price of a BCD-3 as I rarely play cds ..... do own some SACDs that I play regularly so the solution was to buy a universal disk player with hdmi audio out (must be able to output raw dsd...bitstream) and connect to hdmi on the 3.14.....works perfectly....I can play cds, sacds, blu ray audio through the wonderful 3.14 dac...which afaik is the same dac as the BDC-3.....Sony, Pioneer, Oppo are some the brands that will work. I use a Sony UBP-X800M2...it's just a disk player no dac or analog outputs...only digital outputs

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #5 on: 24 Feb 2024, 01:07 am »
All I know my BCD-1 is still going strong. 

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #6 on: 24 Feb 2024, 01:07 pm »
Hi, I have been thinking of acquiring a Bryston BCD-1. Does anyone know whether or not Bryston is still able to service them?
I don't play a lot of CDs these days, but I really like the build quality of my BDA-3.14 and would like to add a Bryston CD player to my system. Also, I don't feel that I play enough CDs to warrant spending what a BCD-3 costs.
I would appreciate hearing any thoughts or opinions.
Thank you.

No, don’t do it.

I wouldn’t even recommend buying a new one and for a very simple reason – Bryston, like all other boutique manufacturers, isn’t known for making CD players. They might make a fine sounding player but ultimately, the essential components that do make for a CD player – components like the CD mechanism – are made by someone else. In the case of BCD-1, the mech was made by Philips, while the company was still regarded as high-tech and had research facilities dedicated to development and manufacturing of laser technology. In other words, Bryston, like Krell, Lyngdorf etc. has neither knowledge nor experience to repair mechanism like that. They likely aren’t even familiar with the intricacies of its inner workings. They needn’t be because Philips, like Sony or whomever it was that made the mech, would provide them with a detailed datasheet of how to interface the rest of the electronics with the mech. As long as the mech is working perfectly, all is fine. When it is not, Bryston, Krell or whomever it is will not be able to provide any support. At that point, you will be ‘on your own’, trying to find a skilled specialist to repair your precious bit of kit.

The hassle is, the Philips drive used in the BCD-1 is not at all a notable feature of that player. Let me give you an example. The entire Technics range of CD players, costing from 125 to 400 USD were made in Germany, from around 1998 onwards, using the same Philips mechanism. It was regarded as reliable and long-lasting but ultimately, nothing to get excited about. Matsushita, the then-parent company of Technics, is an enormous industry so even the basic 125 USD player worked flawlessly for many years. The same mech was also used by Densen, a Danish boutique manufacturer, and their players would break frequently. You’d spend one day a week listening to it and then the remaining six days repairing it. Take that as you will, but in this analogy, Bryston would be Densen, not Matsushita.

There’s one more thing I’d like to address. Precisely because the Philips mechanism in question is a mainstream mech, finding a skilled specialist, or even a former Philips employee would be exceedingly difficult because they’d consider the mech as something not really worth the effort.

Cheers,
Antun

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #7 on: 24 Feb 2024, 01:18 pm »
Hi R. Daneel,
Thank you for such a detailed reply, very much appreciated.
Is there a CD/SACD player that you would recommend? Keeping in mind my budget of under $1500.

No, don’t do it.

I wouldn’t even recommend buying a new one and for a very simple reason – Bryston, like all other boutique manufacturers, isn’t known for making CD players. They might make a fine sounding player but ultimately, the essential components that do make for a CD player – components like the CD mechanism – are made by someone else. In the case of BCD-1, the mech was made by Philips, while the company was still regarded as high-tech and had research facilities dedicated to development and manufacturing of laser technology. In other words, Bryston, like Krell, Lyngdorf etc. has neither knowledge nor experience to repair mechanism like that. They likely aren’t even familiar with the intricacies of its inner workings. They needn’t be because Philips, like Sony or whomever it was that made the mech, would provide them with a detailed datasheet of how to interface the rest of the electronics with the mech. As long as the mech is working perfectly, all is fine. When it is not, Bryston, Krell or whomever it is will not be able to provide any support. At that point, you will be ‘on your own’, trying to find a skilled specialist to repair your precious bit of kit.

The hassle is, the Philips drive used in the BCD-1 is not at all a notable feature of that player. Let me give you an example. The entire Technics range of CD players, costing from 125 to 400 USD were made in Germany, from around 1998 onwards, using the same Philips mechanism. It was regarded as reliable and long-lasting but ultimately, nothing to get excited about. Matsushita, the then-parent company of Technics, is an enormous industry so even the basic 125 USD player worked flawlessly for many years. The same mech was also used by Densen, a Danish boutique manufacturer, and their players would break frequently. You’d spend one day a week listening to it and then the remaining six days repairing it. Take that as you will, but in this analogy, Bryston would be Densen, not Matsushita.

There’s one more thing I’d like to address. Precisely because the Philips mechanism in question is a mainstream mech, finding a skilled specialist, or even a former Philips employee would be exceedingly difficult because they’d consider the mech as something not really worth the effort.

Cheers,
Antun

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« Reply #8 on: 24 Feb 2024, 01:24 pm »
Hi R. Daneel,
Thank you for such a detailed reply, very much appreciated.
Is there a CD/SACD player that you would recommend? Keeping in mind my budget of under $1500.

If you're located in the US, sometimes a good deal can be had here - https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/category/cdplayer/home-audio/audio-components/cd-sacd-players/1.html  Also note, one can search a site like hifishark.com (and filter by Region - e.g. North America, Europe) and search for used/demo items.

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #9 on: 24 Feb 2024, 01:28 pm »
Hi Phil A,
Thanks for the links. I'm in Canada. I've been on hifishark before. I frequent Canuck Audio Mart often, which is likely where I'd start to look.
Cheers

If you're located in the US, sometimes a good deal can be had here - https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/category/cdplayer/home-audio/audio-components/cd-sacd-players/1.html  Also note, one can search a site like hifishark.com (and filter by Region - e.g. North America, Europe) and search for used/demo items.

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #10 on: 24 Feb 2024, 02:06 pm »
I have a Cambridge CXC transport for cd duty - bought used on CAM for $350 and for SACD and DVD-A i purchased a Sony UBP-X800M2 new on sale brand new for $328 all in CAD

Both feed digitally to a Bryston BR20

In hindsight maybe should have purchased a used Oppo 103 for dual duty?




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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #11 on: 24 Feb 2024, 03:00 pm »
Hi R. Daneel,
Thank you for such a detailed reply, very much appreciated.
Is there a CD/SACD player that you would recommend? Keeping in mind my budget of under $1500.

Greetings!

Well, if your budget is 1500 USD, I think there are some fine options for you to choose from. Not as many as there used to be mind you, but still well worth considering. I would consider the following:
1.   Denon DCD-1700NE. A well-engineered CD/SACD player with a surprising number of proprietary technologies, like the simply superb SVH (Supress Vibration Hybrid) mechanism and Alpha analogue-waveform processing. The mechanism is Denon’s very own and with (minor) modifications, used in their Japanese-only models as well as top-end Marantz players. For instance, PS Audio also uses it in its newest SACD transport. A very polished and smooth-sounding machine with excellent extension in the bass and plenty detailed. If you’re not used to CD players, this one is as good of an example as any as to how a CD player should look and function – buttons feel nice and are a joy to press, the servo mechanism reacts to button presses without delay, always smoothly and always as it should. The construction technique and finish are top-class. Made in the same 'Shirakawa Audio Works' factory as their top models. 
2.   Denon DCD-1600NE. A direct predecessor to the -1700NE which might still be available at a reduced price. Same mechanics and mostly the same electronics as the -1700NE make up for a superb choice, if it is still available.
3.   Yamaha CD-S1000. An older player and one that Yamaha never properly replaced. Likely, it was not viable (or even possible) for them to improve upon it without increasing the cost. It uses a very reliable CD/SACD mechanism from Sanyo and generally, the design, both mechanical and electronic, is one of high quality. Perhaps even more impressive to look at and touch than the Denon machines, it feels both classy and modern at the same time. IMHO, it is a lot nicer than its newer and pricier siblings from Yamaha.

Cheers,
Antun

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #12 on: 24 Feb 2024, 03:15 pm »
Hi Phil A,
Thanks for the links. I'm in Canada. I've been on hifishark before. I frequent Canuck Audio Mart often, which is likely where I'd start to look.
Cheers

Hifishark includes both searches of the Canuck Audio Mart and US Audio Mart and a bunch of other sites.

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #13 on: 26 Feb 2024, 01:56 am »
To the best of my knowledge, the BDP-2 and BDP-3 will exceed the performance of every CD player but the BCD-3, which I was able to compare in my living room to the BCD-1. (A subjective comparison, to be sure.) The older unit is greatly outclassed by the current one, which among other features, contains a BDA-3, minus any way of accessing it for any purpose save for the CD player itself. Bryston has tried without success to find transports or parts, including aftermarket, in order to keep BCD-1s going for their customers. It did not seem to me that they were scratching their heads over how the transport and circuitry works, FWIW.  :wink:

Considering how much more pleasant and convenient it is to use the digital player once a CD has been ripped, I don't see the point of playing CDs unless you have a BCD-3. I don't bother with DSD or SACD so I can't comment on those, except to say that SACD is badly flawed and not worth seeking out.

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« Reply #14 on: 26 Feb 2024, 03:07 am »
As old as the bcd-1 is I wouldn’t bother(warranty is non existent)
How long will it last.
Mine lasted about 6 months before warranty expiration date,had it repaired and SOLD.
Now I just use the BDP—2 player with DBPoweramp to convert all my 700 cds.
(Thank god the transition is OVER) lol.
I also have back up external drive in case the other dies,been years so far so good.

Phil A

Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #15 on: 26 Feb 2024, 01:11 pm »
I owned a BCD-1 many moons ago (and then the BDA-1 DAC when that came out).  The number of available disc spinners for high end audio is not as prevalent as it was 25-30 years back.  With most companies they buy a transport/drive mechanism from a third party manufacturer and write software to work with that drive.  The drives are usually manufactured by the third party for a limited amount of years.  DAC technology changes more rapidly than most audio things.  So even the companies which continue to make disc spinners will design a new player vs. spend time and money on an older one where the parts are tougher to find.

It's similar with video/digital technology.  I see posts all the time with people asking about upgrades for new technology beyond what is in the Bryston SP3.  That's just way it is.  Surround sound/digital changes more rapidly.  Many moons ago, I owned a Bryston SP1.7.  For 2-channel stuff, I eventually went to a preamp with HT Bypass.  Recently, a friend who has a 2-channel system with speakers he built designed by a friend with an outboard crossover he built for the subwoofer (also designed by a friend).  He had a preamp die and wanted something reasonable that sounded really good.  I recommended an SP1.7.  He bought it (and they are reasonable as they have no HDMI) and loves it and uses the crossover built into the Bryston SP 1.7.

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #16 on: 28 Feb 2024, 03:29 am »
Thank you all, for your input. I truly appreciate the information, suggestions, and sharing of experiences. It has given me good reason to pause and re-evaluate.
Cheers!

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Re: Buy a Bryston BCD-1? Yes or No?
« Reply #17 on: 28 Feb 2024, 05:04 pm »
Thank you all, for your input. I truly appreciate the information, suggestions, and sharing of experiences. It has given me good reason to pause and re-evaluate.
Cheers!

Absolutely mate! When it comes to HIFI, you need to pause - twice (!) - and reevaluate. The most important thing is to be sensible.

Cheers - Antun