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Your assertion of inferiority was about cantilever in general.~John
"when the WTT/Lyra is playing and I tap the outrigger it's louder than when I tap the shelf. Not sure what to make of that, but will need to address it at some point."The pod is amplifying your tap - like the crack of baseball bat when it hits the ball. It would help to reduce the size of the pod, but you need to increase the weight. Adding other types of material (massive) would help. You could hollow out a section and fill it with sand and/or lead. Lead works like magic killing vibrations. neo
Update: Both arms/cartridges are dialed in and playing music!Lyra doesn't do this). I did an A/B on "Masterpieces by Ellington" and both cartridges sound really good. The Zero is more romantic, with mid-bass bloom, but at the same time extremely detailed.Will let things settle in before making any other changes. The outrigger seems stable enough for the time being, but I am getting more sound than I'd like when I tap the shelf. Also, when the WTT/Lyra is playing and I tap the outrigger it's louder than when I tap the shelf. Not sure what to make of that, but will need to address it at some point.
I've been thinking about mounting my Pioneer arm in a pod as well... something along the lines of 6" diameter PVC with 5/8 plywood bottom and top filled with lead shot. Any comments, suggestions?
Agreed, but they are still cantilever. Your assertion of inferiority was about cantilever in general.So what?!Subtract Teres, and I've still shown you more than a few. As per your request.This doesn't erase them from my list. It only makes you uninformed.I perfectly understand your point, trust me.Agree 100% that it's difficult to implement properly. I've said so, several times. I've also said (several times) it's why I didn't use it. But it's not impossible, as evidenced by the great sounding setups -- both production and DIY -- that use it.That you are not alone in your opinion is irrelevant and proves nothing. Many opinions in audio. Many well-respected designers use it, and produce awesome sounding tables. I'll side with them, before you. No offense.I only objected to your assertion that cantilever is inherently inferior due to some springboard /vibration / noise issue. That's intuition, not science. But I actually see your point, it makes complete sense from a logical / intuitive pt of view. I said in my previous post that I can't strongly argue it one way or another. I have neither the intellectual firepower nor scientific background to do so. But the proof is in the pudding. If it sounds good, it is good, regardless of your theories (which you haven't supported, BTW). I simply pointed this out. I never said you were out of date.I do use one. It's stock on my Scheu / Eurolab table. And it sounds excellent, thank you! Didn't do it for my outboard mount because it's too difficult to get right. For all the reasons you point out: topply, springy, vibration, etc. This, and that I don't have the required tools and machine shop to do it right (ie. metal, heavy, dense, stiff, rigid, precise / tight tolerances, etc.). I've already said this, several times. But other folks can get it right. Obviously. I recommended nothing specifically. I've been very general. I've merely suggested that you try, listen, and then adjust if necessary, and not get too bogged down in techo-babble. Sometimes you get lucky, and it works. Nothing to lose.No need to be so defensive, Neo. Beyond me why my simple, practical, non-scientific approach gets your panties in such a twist. My view is just as legit as yours.That you keep putting words in my mouth means you are missing the point, not me.I hope you do return. I respect your obvious knowledge base, and always enjoy reading your very informative posts! ~John
