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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Cheap and Cheerful HiFi => Topic started by: witchdoctor on 9 Feb 2019, 05:26 am
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Klipsch makes the Gate Streamer as part of their wireless, whole house audio ensemble utilizing the DTS Play-Fi ecosystem. https://www.soundandvision.com/content/klipsch-audio-goes-all-way-dts-play-fi
I purchased the Gate streamer on Amazon for $25 (MSRP $179) because I wanted to have the ability to play the same music in my media room throughout the house. It has a line in port and a line out port and you operate it with a Klipsch streaming app you can download to an apple,android device or a kindle tablet. The concept behind this product is to add streaming capability to legacy products. I connected the analog in to my Marantz 7702 processor in the media room and then connected the other one to the line in port on my Paradigm Active Shift A2 speaker in the kitchen. I setup the app, updated the software, connected my streaming services and my NAS drive music server and it worked as expected.
After the Gate broke in a couple days I did some critical listening in my media room in 2 channel "pure direct" mode. I was surprised at what I was hearing. This sounded like an analog source more than a digital source. Then I remembered, this is from Klipsch and maybe they voiced it to sound like vinyl. The music is sooo relaxed when you play it through the Gate it just flows.
Out of curiosity I took the Gate from the kitchen into my office system two have a A/B comparison with the Blusound Node. I only listened to HIFI tracks, not MQA to make it a fair comparison. The Node is a great product and I have enjoyed it for over a year.
I preferred the Gate, so much so that the only reason I am keeping the Node is for MQA. The Gate seemed to capture music that the node left out. The bass seemed fuller and smoother through the Gate, in the Node it was a little more "boomy". You could hear the inhalations and and breathing between phrases in soft jazz singers through the Gate, it seemed this subtle information was left out through the Node. After listening to the Gate I feel like I really want to compare a lot more music but I think this is a sleeper product that was tripped up by the software. Klipsch released this product in 2016 and that version of the software was not ready for primetime. The 2019 version has gone through multiple updates since then and I liked it as much as Bluos for navigating music playlists and better than Bluos for controlling my whole house system. The Gate has a "critical listening" mode you need to engage for listening to hirez and I found I preferred that mode for Tidal HIFI tracjs as well. When you use that mode you are limited to streaming to one device.
My next step will be to upgrade the wall wart 5V power supply with iFi's iPower and get a Mogami 3.5 mm to RCA cable as all my interconnects are Mogami.
There are other DTS Play-Fi streamers available from Polk, Definitive Technology, Arcam and Mcintosh. These other streamers have digital ports so you can connect them to a DAC. I like this Klipsch sound so much I have 0 desire to change it out but would be curious to compare. Overall I would recommend this product as a streamer, even if you don't want to get into whole house audio. BTW, when Quboz becomes available in the US this device is hirez capable. The Quboz app shows up in the streaming software but it isn't available in the US yet. Here is a link to the Gate review that Quboz did:
https://www.qobuz.com/ie-en/info/hi-fi/bancs-d-essai/klipsch-gate-a-streamer-with-great179353
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Update on the Gate- I hooked up the analog outs on my Sony Blueray player to the line in on the Gate and was able to stream CD's thoughout the house! I tried both redbook and 24/96 and it worked great. No need to run speaker wires and multi channel amps. I have just added DTS Play Fi components throught the various rooms in my home and it just works. I have also streamed Quboz in Hirez and it works great too. The added benefit is with Play-Fi components you can have hirez streaming in any room you want.
To listen in Hirez you have to engage "critical listening" mode and can only stream in hirez to one zone at a time. So far I have a Gate installed in my main home theater, to an active (powered) speaker in the kitchen, and just ordered another one for the HT in the man cave.
The Play Fi software is working great. I can start playing tunes in one room and then add rooms by just tapping on them in the app. When I bought the most recent Gate it was around $30 and I added a 4 year warranty for an extra $2 on Amazon.
This thread is about cheap and cheerful HiFi and with many Play-Fi components selling at 50%+ discounts they are cheap. It doesn't get more cheerful than having music playing throughout the house and having it under total control from a kindle tablet. Cheers!
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Thanks for the post. I have been eyeing the Power Gate to use as a streaming preamp with active speakers.
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Thanks for the post. I have been eyeing the Power Gate to use as a streaming preamp with active speakers.
Hi, with active speakers I think you want the Gate. The "Powergate" is an integrated amp intended for passive speakers. I am using the Gate with my Pardaigm Shift A2 active speaker. If your speakers have RCA connections make sure to order a 3.5mm to RCA cable too. Here is a link to the Gate. Let me know if you have questions:
https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-1063275-Gateway-Wireless-Multi-Room/dp/B01M5B793S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1550346504&sr=8-2&keywords=klipsch+gate
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I’m envious of your knowledge of streaming devices witchdoctor. Based on your posts about this product I’ve spent hours reading about it and pondering its uses. Unfortunately I’m just plain stupid about many things, streaming being the one du jour. At $30.00 +/- I buy one and see if I can make it work.
Ideally I’d like to be able to access my digital music files on a computer that’s in my office, about 75’ from my stereo, but since I don’t know how to do that cheaply or easily I may buy this and subscribe to a streaming service. Previously I’ve connected my iPad to my integrated amp and played pandora. I’ve never been impressed with that set up but Ive got to imagine this will be much better.
Anyway, thank you for fueling the quest for streaming knowledge.
Brett
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I’m envious of your knowledge of streaming devices witchdoctor. Based on your posts about this product I’ve spent hours reading about it and pondering its uses. Unfortunately I’m just plain stupid about many things, streaming being the one du jour. At $30.00 +/- I buy one and see if I can make it work.
Ideally I’d like to be able to access my digital music files on a computer that’s in my office, about 75’ from my stereo, but since I don’t know how to do that cheaply or easily I may buy this and subscribe to a streaming service. Previously I’ve connected my iPad to my integrated amp and played pandora. I’ve never been impressed with that set up but Ive got to imagine this will be much better.
Anyway, thank you for fueling the quest for streaming knowledge.
Brett
Hi Brett, good news, you can access the digital files on your computer 75' away NP. When you open the Playfi software it has a "media server" selection and is able to identify music files in your network.
Watch this video about the Play-Fi app and post any questions and I will try to help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqNTCHKiong
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There sure are quite a few negatives on the Gate on Amazon. The price went from $179 to $30?
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Thank you witchdoctor, I’m going to buy one right now. Great video, it helped a bunch.
Thanks again, Brett
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Thank you witchdoctor, I’m going to buy one right now. Great video, it helped a bunch.
Thanks again, Brett
Get the 4 year warranty for $2 just in case if you order on amazon. Also you might need a 3.5 mm to RCA cable if you want to plug it into your receiver:
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-3-5mm-2-Male-Adapter-Cable/dp/B01D5H8KO2/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1550348206&sr=1-4&keywords=3.5+mm+to+rca+cable
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There sure are quite a few negatives on the Gate on Amazon. The price went from $179 to $30?
I think the product was hobbled by the software when they launched. They have updated it many times since then. You also need a stable wifi connection. I have had 0 issues and just posted a video about the Play-Fi app you may want to check out. If you order one and are worried they have a 30 return policy and I got the 4 year warranty for $2, good luck.
BTW, Quboz reviewed it and gave it the thumbs up :thumb:
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Here come the first of hopefully not too many questions....
My equipment is pretty old school, with my integrated amp (Odyssey Cyclops) only having RCA’s and my CD player (Oppo BDP-83) having the connectors listed below. Given these options which would you use (if any are acceptable)? Thank you in advance, Brett
Rear Panel Connectors
1. 7.1CH/5.1CH Audio Output
2. Stereo Audio Output
3. Coaxial and Optical Digital Audio Output
4. Composite Video Output
5. Component Video Output
6. Ethernet LAN Port
7. USB 2.0 Port
8. HDMI Output
9. IR IN and OUT Ports
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Here come the first of hopefully not too many questions....
My equipment is pretty old school, with my integrated amp (Odyssey Cyclops) only having RCA’s and my CD player (Oppo BDP-83) having the connectors listed below. Given these options which would you use (if any are acceptable)? Thank you in advance, Brett
Rear Panel Connectors
1. 7.1CH/5.1CH Audio Output
2. Stereo Audio Output
3. Coaxial and Optical Digital Audio Output
4. Composite Video Output
5. Component Video Output
6. Ethernet LAN Port
7. USB 2.0 Port
8. HDMI Output
9. IR IN and OUT Ports
Old fashioned RCA's are fine. Get 2 of the 3.5 mm to RCA cables.
1) Plug the RCA end into the stereo outputs of your Oppo CDP and the 3.5 mm end into the Gate "input" port.
2) Plug the 3.5 mm of the other cable into the Gate "out" port and plug the RCA ends into your integrated amp.
3) You are all connected, just open the app and use it as described in the video.
Here is the cable, you will need 2:
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-iXCC-Shielded-Gold-Plated-Stereo/dp/B019D048XC/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1550349861&sr=8-5&keywords=3.5+mm+to+rca+cable
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Awesome, thank you again. My Gate will be here next week. I’ll get another set of 3.5mm to rca’s and be ready for it’s arrival.
Really appreciate all the help. Brett
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Hi witchdoctor. can you provide a link to the Mogami 3.5 to rca ?
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Hi witchdoctor. can you provide a link to the Mogami 3.5 to rca ?
Here is the Mogami cable link. You can get one or two depending if you want to connect a source like a CDP or turntable to the Gate. I just ordered one myself:
https://www.amazon.com/Mogami-GOLD-3-5-2RCA-06-Y-Adapter-Connectors/dp/B01LY815WB/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1550352562&sr=8-3&keywords=mogami+3.5+mm+to+rca+cable
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Gate Software Update- DTS Play-Fi just released a firmware update for many products in their ecosystem that syncs video with audio. I updated the firmware with the Klipsch Utility app and have been streaming concert videos seemlessly. i can watch them in the home theater or stream the audio through the house. Prior to the firmware update there was a syncing issue. I prefer the sound of music streamed through the Gate instead on my Marantz processors or Sony Blue Ray, YMMV.
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Awesome, thank you again. My Gate will be here next week. I’ll get another set of 3.5mm to rca’s and be ready for it’s arrival.
Really appreciate all the help. Brett
Did you get your CDP connected yet?
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LOL.....not my best negotiating ever, but I like the Gate so much and was able to figure out how to access my music on my desktop through it, that I told my wife I’d get rid of the CDP and CD’s (which take up a bunch of room on my stereo rack and look pretty unsightly) if I could get another Gate and some inexpensive powered speakers for my detached garage/workshop. Currently I’m streaming Amazon Music but I’m going to look at other streaming services.
I’m all in for streaming, which is amazing since two weeks ago I had no idea how to make it work. Again a total thank you for your help. It’s changed the audio life for my entire family. In fact the last two nights my family spent the evening in the living room enjoying music through the gate. My wife really likes my stereo now and she previously only tolerated it.
Brett
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Hi witchdoctor, thank you for the suggestion. I got my gate today for my office . It replaces my iPhone 5se connected to ifs nano DAC (BL) and then into the integrated amp. In addition I switched from Tidal to Quboz and all works flawlessly. ....for $30. :D.
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As I typed that out, I don’t think I even need another Gate....I think I can just connect my current one to the powered speakers I get for the garage/workshop....
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As I typed that out, I don’t think I even need another Gate....I think I can just connect my current one to the powered speakers I get for the garage/workshop....
If you are looking at powered speakers Klipsch makes several which I'll bet make a great pair with the Gate. I am using a single Paradigm Shift A2 active speaker with a Gate in my kitchen:
https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-2017-R-14PM-Powered-Monitor/dp/B075JRF295/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1550952253&sr=8-3&keywords=klipsch+powered+speaker
https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-R-15PM-Powered-Monitor-Black/dp/B01A7J534G/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1550952253&sr=8-4&keywords=klipsch+powered+speaker
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Hi witchdoctor, thank you for the suggestion. I got my gate today for my office . It replaces my iPhone 5se connected to ifs nano DAC (BL) and then into the integrated amp. In addition I switched from Tidal to Quboz and all works flawlessly. ....for $30. :D.
That's awesome,how does the Gate setup compare to the nano DAC/iPhone?
Remember to select the "critical listening" mode to stream hirez.
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As I typed that out, I don’t think I even need another Gate....I think I can just connect my current one to the powered speakers I get for the garage/workshop....
One more thing, I bought active speakers that are also in the Play-Fi ecosytsem. They will show up in the app in addition to your Gate so you can stream as part of the same network. The Definitive Technology W7 has been marked down from $399 to $99. I have a pair in my dining room. The Polk S6 has been marked down from $359 to $99. I have a single in the bedroom and just bought another one to pair it with.
They all work seemlessly with the same app you use for the Gate. If you get either of them you will NOT need another Gate. They will play all by themselves. Everything you can stream in the Gate you can stream in those speakers.
If you have a big garage you should probaly get the Polks. The DefTech's do best with corner placement.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=162447.0
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=162077.0
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I’ll look into all those speakers. Thank you again, this is like an audio awakening! All started by you and a $35.00 streamer!
Brett
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After spending a few more days listening to the Gate I can say I am still very impressed with it. Previously I have owned a Sonos, Bluesound Node 2 & 2i, an Ipad with several dacs from Hegel, Peachtree Nova 150, Exemplar, Centrance, Jolida, Halide, Grant Fidelity and probably a few others i’m forgetting.
Until I decide to fork over some serious money for a Lumin or an Innuos, the Gate will suit me just fine. This thing is a steal.
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That's awesome,how does the Gate setup compare to the nano DAC/iPhone?
Remember to select the "critical listening" mode to stream hirez.
I will wait a week and then do a comparison. With the iPhone Se, I use the Onkyo app, which enables to play hirez via the ifi (BL) nano.......and then I may put it into my main system to compare it to my aries (femto) / 2qute Dac combo.
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When I first bought the Gate it was a convenience purchase to be able to stream music from my HT to my kitchen.
I noticed when I first listened to it I kept wanting to try more and more music. Streaming, CD's, hirez streaming, hi rez CD's and everything else just sounds very satisfying. I was thinking of checking out other streamers within the play-fi ecosystem but unless I find the Mcintosh MB50 for under $500 ($2000 MSRP, LOL) I am just going to enjoy.
The new firmware makes concert video streaming as easy as music. I have other more expensive DAC's and streamers but in head to head comparisons it seems they compress the music more where the Gate just presents everything in a more LIVE sounding fashion.
I have the Powergate coming next week and will post a review after I give it a listen.
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I will wait a week and then do a comparison. With the iPhone Se, I use the Onkyo app, which enables to play hirez via the ifi (BL) nano.......and then I may put it into my main system to compare it to my aries (femto) / 2qute Dac combo.
Great, thanks for the info. The Gate has a line in too if you want to connect a CDP or another source.
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Do you connect thru a klipsch app or dts playfi app?
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Do you connect thru a klipsch app or dts playfi app?
To stream I've used both apps, they are identical except for the logo's.
There is a separate app to update the Gate firmware called the Klipsch Utility app. The DTS app won't work for that.
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After spending a few more days listening to the Gate I can say I am still very impressed with it. Previously I have owned a Sonos, Bluesound Node 2 & 2i, an Ipad with several dacs from Hegel, Peachtree Nova 150, Exemplar, Centrance, Jolida, Halide, Grant Fidelity and probably a few others i’m forgetting.
Until I decide to fork over some serious money for a Lumin or an Innuos, the Gate will suit me just fine. This thing is a steal.
Based on your history, the gate sounds promising.
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So got the Powergate today, initial impressions is it sounds a lot like the Gate but has more gusto, kind of like a solid state/tube hybrid than a class D amp so far.
I'll post more after a few days of letting it burn in.
Also got the Mogami Gold IC for the Gate, we'll see if it changes anything in terms of SQ.
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Initial impression of the Mogami 3.5 mm to RCA interconnect is bass sounds clearer and has more control. Will need to let it break in a bit before posting a review. The build quality is outstanding, it makes the previous cable seem like an ear bud cable from an ipod in build quality comparison. The cable at $49 costs more than the Gate, first time I had that happen. In audio terms though a $49 investment is relatively small if it improves SQ.
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:scratch:
Powwrgate on Klipsch site is $499.
https://www.klipsch.com/products/powergate?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=wp-rt-dp&utm_content=generic&fbclid=IwAR1-OfXExEzTm_6-vHubVFSl5xMgDtz6FLCcA--z1GdNoZK6h_SN9La6ugk
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:scratch:
Powwrgate on Klipsch site is $499.
https://www.klipsch.com/products/powergate?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=wp-rt-dp&utm_content=generic&fbclid=IwAR1-OfXExEzTm_6-vHubVFSl5xMgDtz6FLCcA--z1GdNoZK6h_SN9La6ugk
On Amazon its $149. IMO it is 100% worth $499 but got mine at Amazon. I'll post a review in a few days.
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Prices are all over the place it seems.
The affordable Gate in the US is around $150 plus shipping in Canada. Might still be a useful tool for some even at that price.
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Prices are all over the place it seems.
The affordable Gate in the US is around $150 plus shipping in Canada. Might still be a useful tool for some even at that price.
I see the Gate at $100 CDN:
https://www.amazon.ca/Klipsch-1063275-Gateway-Wireless-Multi-Room/dp/B01M5B793S/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=klipsch+gate&qid=1551286199&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull
The Gate in my system sounds better than the $499 Bluesound Node FWIW. I think it is worth at least what they charge for the Node. I also like the Play-Fi OS better than Bluos.
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If you want to use your own present IC's, Monoprice sells this gold plated adapter for 59 cents and $3 for shipping.
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=7189
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Another potentially cheap and cheerful option:
https://www.ghentaudio.com/part/b01.html
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I stumbled across the fact that the Gate can support a usb to ethernet adapter. I had an old Dlink adapter plugged it in and applied power to the Gate. Lights started flashing and behold a hardwired connection (confirmed via router). A little investigating also turned up the fact that Phorus is selling a DTS Play-Fi adapter themselves.
https://www.amazon.com/DTS-Play-Fi-USB-Ethernet-Adapter/dp/B07CNBWKM9/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_5?keywords=phorus+usb+ethernet&qid=1551474349&s=gateway&sr=8-5-fkmrnull
I already have ethernet outlets in most places so this is great for me, plus it lets me re-use otherwise obsolete hardware.
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I stumbled across the fact that the Gate can support a usb to ethernet adapter. I had an old Dlink adapter plugged it in and applied power to the Gate. Lights started flashing and behold a hardwired connection (confirmed via router). A little investigating also turned up the fact that Phorus is selling a DTS Play-Fi adapter themselves.
https://www.amazon.com/DTS-Play-Fi-USB-Ethernet-Adapter/dp/B07CNBWKM9/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_5?keywords=phorus+usb+ethernet&qid=1551474349&s=gateway&sr=8-5-fkmrnull
I already have ethernet outlets in most places so this is great for me, plus it lets me re-use otherwise obsolete hardware.
I see this is your 4th post, welcome to AC gwing and thanks for letting us know. Did ethernet connection change the sound at all?
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Other than allowing uninterrupted playback of 192/24 Flac files it didn't affect the sound quality.
PS. I registered in 2012 so I do a lot of lurking and very little posting. :)
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Witchdoctor,
Do you think the Gate/Powergate could be a good solution for me?
Let me explain: in my HT I would connect it to my oppo 105 rear surround audio outputs in order to wirelessly transmit the signal to a Powergate connected to a pair of rear speakers. I realize this is not what Klipsch had in mind in terms of primary usage, but considering I don't want to deal with a bulky receiver this could hopefully prove to be satisfactory.
Cheers,
David
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Other than allowing uninterrupted playback of 192/24 Flac files it didn't affect the sound quality.
PS. I registered in 2012 so I do a lot of lurking and very little posting. :)
gwing, you are using the USB port that supposedly (according to manual) is only for service/firmware updates, right?
munosmario
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Liking the gate
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Witchdoctor,
Do you think the Gate/Powergate could be a good solution for me?
Let me explain: in my HT I would connect it to my oppo 105 rear surround audio outputs in order to wirelessly transmit the signal to a Powergate connected to a pair of rear speakers. I realize this is not what Klipsch had in mind in terms of primary usage, but considering I don't want to deal with a bulky receiver this could hopefully prove to be satisfactory.
Cheers,
David
Hi David, I would not recommend the Gate/Powergate combo to wirelessly power rear surround speakers using the "line in" feature on the Gate. I think you might have a sync issue.
I would recommend an Amphony Wireless transmitter:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SJ49ZJQ/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
and a Nobsound Mini Dual amp:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07548PWQQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have my voice of god channels powered using this setup. Works great, the amp is powerful and small. I attached it to the wall using velcro tape! There are wireless amps available but they are either lower power (15 WPC) or more expensive than this combo.
BTW, if you order the amp remember to order a power supply to, it doesn't come with one.
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gwing, you are using the USB port that supposedly (according to manual) is only for service/firmware updates, right?
munosmario
If I’m not mistaken you can update the Gate wirelessly via the Klipsch Utility app. It worked great for me.
Brett
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If I’m not mistaken you can update the Gate wirelessly via the Klipsch Utility app. It worked great for me.
Brett
Thanks, Brettio. I figured as much. Service USB port surely is there in case you are concerned about the risk of firmware update failing due to an unexpected Wi-Fi issue. Wi-Fi update is not automatic, you have to initiate it by accessing the download site through the app, right?
munosmario
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I did an A/B comparison with the dac's of the Gate and Powergate using the Powergates RCA outs into my preamp. It was easy to stream to both units at the same time within the playfi app. I was able to toggle back and forth between both with my remote. Very little difference in the SQ of the dacs streaming Tidal from the app.
I also connected a Bluesound Node to the Powergate using the digital out from the Node to the digital in of the Powergate (the Gate lacks the digital in). The SQ was pretty much the same as streaming Tidal directly from the Powergate. I prefer the SQ of the Powergate to the Node, YMMV.
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Sorry for the late reply, yes the usb port on the Gate. Unplug the Gate, plug in the usb to ethernet adapter & cable then power up. Works if the WiFi is setup prior to this or not. Also used this adapter https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MYT481C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MYT481C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). Somewhat cheaper than the Phorus adapter. Someone on the web noted that if it works with a wii or wii-u then it will work, just took a chance that most companies didn't stray too far from the DTS Play-Fi basic design. I have 4 Gates (three on usb-ethernet adapters), a PowerGate & a Phorus PR5 which isn't as nice as the Klipsch boxes but was a bit cheaper, it was relegated to the garage :lol: So far everything has worked well although I have been getting the most use out of running the output of iTunes on my server out to the line in on a Gate and then sending that everywhere. Playlist management is alot easier and it's easy to control with the iTunes remote app.
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I have to say I am loving this device. I just got mine hooked up a few days ago and did the firmware update. I signed up for a 30 trial with Qobuz and I am very impressed by the sound quality. I was previously using a Chromecast Audio with the optical out into my HK3490 receiver and with the Gate's 3.5mm into RCA's the soundstage is deeper and wider. I'm sure Qobuz's high quality stream helps too.
Getting the firmware updated was a little tricky.- I couldn't time the power cord insertion with depressing the power button on time so it was a little tricky to get it into update mode, but once in update mode I had no problems.
Also, when using Qobuz the Play-Fi software hides the critical listening mode option on my iPhone. But my work around to that has been start streaming Spotify and turn on critical listening mode - then using the Play-Fi software start the Qobuz stream. And then I get a message on my phone that the Qobuz content is authorized to stream at that resolution on this device but using my ears I'm guessing that message is incorrect because the sound is wonderful and sounds like hi-res to me. Hopefully in the next update they will get this ironed out. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong?
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Sorry for the late reply, yes the usb port on the Gate. Unplug the Gate, plug in the usb to ethernet adapter & cable then power up. Works if the WiFi is setup prior to this or not. Also used this adapter https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MYT481C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MYT481C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). Somewhat cheaper than the Phorus adapter. Someone on the web noted that if it works with a wii or wii-u then it will work, just took a chance that most companies didn't stray too far from the DTS Play-Fi basic design. I have 4 Gates (three on usb-ethernet adapters), a PowerGate & a Phorus PR5 which isn't as nice as the Klipsch boxes but was a bit cheaper, it was relegated to the garage :lol: So far everything has worked well although I have been getting the most use out of running the output of iTunes on my server out to the line in on a Gate and then sending that everywhere. Playlist management is alot easier and it's easy to control with the iTunes remote app.
purchased this thanks for the info!
not that it is on ethernet, it doesn't show up in the app. how do you sent music to it?
thanks in advance
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purchased this thanks for the info!
not that it is on ethernet, it doesn't show up in the app. how do you sent music to it?
thanks in advance
First watch this and update the firm ware:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Eok_GjgfZw
Then watch this to learn how to use the app:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqNTCHKiong
OK?
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I have to say I am loving this device. I just got mine hooked up a few days ago and did the firmware update. I signed up for a 30 trial with Qobuz and I am very impressed by the sound quality. I was previously using a Chromecast Audio with the optical out into my HK3490 receiver and with the Gate's 3.5mm into RCA's the soundstage is deeper and wider. I'm sure Qobuz's high quality stream helps too.
Getting the firmware updated was a little tricky.- I couldn't time the power cord insertion with depressing the power button on time so it was a little tricky to get it into update mode, but once in update mode I had no problems.
Also, when using Qobuz the Play-Fi software hides the critical listening mode option on my iPhone. But my work around to that has been start streaming Spotify and turn on critical listening mode - then using the Play-Fi software start the Qobuz stream. And then I get a message on my phone that the Qobuz content is authorized to stream at that resolution on this device but using my ears I'm guessing that message is incorrect because the sound is wonderful and sounds like hi-res to me. Hopefully in the next update they will get this ironed out. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong?
That workaround is fine :thumb:
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Sorry for the late reply, yes the usb port on the Gate. Unplug the Gate, plug in the usb to ethernet adapter & cable then power up. Works if the WiFi is setup prior to this or not. Also used this adapter https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MYT481C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MYT481C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). Somewhat cheaper than the Phorus adapter. Someone on the web noted that if it works with a wii or wii-u then it will work, just took a chance that most companies didn't stray too far from the DTS Play-Fi basic design. I have 4 Gates (three on usb-ethernet adapters), a PowerGate & a Phorus PR5 which isn't as nice as the Klipsch boxes but was a bit cheaper, it was relegated to the garage :lol: So far everything has worked well although I have been getting the most use out of running the output of iTunes on my server out to the line in on a Gate and then sending that everywhere. Playlist management is alot easier and it's easy to control with the iTunes remote app.
I love having the music follow me throughout the house. Klispch just did a firmware update for the linein feature did you notice? You need to select if you are streaming video or music. The video will now sync perfectly with what you are watching.
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First watch this and update the firm ware:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Eok_GjgfZw
Then watch this to learn how to use the app:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqNTCHKiong
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but when i connect the usb/ethernet adapter it doesn't show in the app anymore
wondering how i to play over the ethernet?
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but when i connect the usb/ethernet adapter it doesn't show in the app anymore
wondering how i to play over the ethernet?
My Powergate dropped once and I rebooted the router, then the powergate, then it turned up in the app. If that doesn't work try klipsch support, they are pretty good
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Good heads up Witchdr on the firmware update!
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My Powergate dropped once and I rebooted the router, then the powergate, then it turned up in the app. If that doesn't work try klipsch support, they are pretty good
i see the gates, i have several, on wifi, but when i use the usb/ethernet adapter it drops off of wifi & the app doesn't see it anymore
would like to stream to the gate via ethernet, not wifi
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Recently picked up a PW Link and have been putting it through its paces (not ARC, yet).
Since the Gate also uses Play-Fi, thought I would ask here: has anyone found a satisfying way to access media from their local network on these devices? I have a lot of artists, albums, and tunes ripped and the interface is clunky and time consuming compared to e.g., Volumio (which has search and other useful functions) on RPi...?
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Recently picked up a PW Link and have been putting it through its paces (not ARC, yet).
Since the Gate also uses Play-Fi, thought I would ask here: has anyone found a satisfying way to access media from their local network on these devices? I have a lot of artists, albums, and tunes ripped and the interface is clunky and time consuming compared to e.g., Volumio (which has search and other useful functions) on RPi...?
Try Alexa, from Paradigm website:
Works with Alexa
Paradigm DTS Play-Fi products now have “Works with Alexa” certification, meaning they can be controlled using voice commands given to an Amazon Echo, Echo Dot, Echo Show, Fire TV Cube, or other Alexa voice command-enabled device. Alexa functionality is activated by using the Alexa app to enable the DTS Play-Fi skill. This links your Alexa account to "Works with Alexa" DTS Play-Fi compatible products like this one.
After installing the skill, Alexa will know your speaker by name and allow you to control volume and playback functions such as track skip, mute, pause, and stop or request a song to play in a specific room or group of rooms linked together. Once an Alexa voice command is used to start audio playback, the DTS Play-Fi app can be used to dynamically add more products to the streaming session. Additionally, Alexa's Routines feature can be used to create events that initiate audio playback on your DTS Play-Fi speaker, such as setting up your speaker to work as an alarm clock by starting your favorite song.
https://play-fi.com/faq/entry/how-do-i-set-up-alexa-on-my-play-fi-system
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I have a kindle that is alexa enabled, I'll just say Alexa play (song or album) from (source) in (location) and it just works.
The PW Link can also be fed via RCA, spdif, and the "line in" feature of the playfi app.
I own the PW Amp and you will love what ARC can do with a sub!
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Hi guys,
After days of searching through the net I was happy to find you people with similar wishes than me :-)
I was glad to read that the Klipsch Gate seems to do what I want, namely broadcast a signal at it's line-in to Play-Fi compatible speakers. That feature seems to be hard to get, although the Bluesound node+speakers might be able to, are quite expensive and proprietary, though. Play-Fi seems more my thing.
I have some more doubts though before I buy the new components.
It will work with non-Klipsch Play-Fi speakers as well, right?
The Klipsch Powergate aux-in will work in the same way as the one on the Gate does? (I am considering the powergate just because it has bluetooth included, I don't actually need the AMP)
Since I want a battery-driven Playfi speaker I am considering Wren Sound V3USP, or the Polk Audio Omni S2R since they seem to be the only one I can find that may be able to deliver what I need. Any thoughts on those or any other suggestions? I couldn't find any other suitable Playfi speakers.
Doany of you do the same setup with a Paradigm PW link?
I am considering that one because I have a good external DAC and I would like to have a digital out on my "Play-Fi-Hub" (Klipsch Gate/Powergate or Paradigm PW Link).
I would like to use my existing devices via digital or analog-in on the PW-link to stream to Playfi speakers and on the other hand allow other streaming services to go via digital-out from the PW-link to my DAC and from that analog to the amp and stationary speakers. Would this work?
Does anyone have experience with the SVS wireless Soundbase?
Seems to do the same as the Klipsch Powergate but is more expensive - does anybody know if it has any advantage (SQ?).
Thank you so much for this thread!
Cheers!
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Hello witchdoctor
How would you compare the pw amp to the powergate, in regards to sound quality. I am interested in purchasing one of these units. Thanks
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It will work with non-Klipsch Play-Fi speakers as well, right?
Yes
The Klipsch Powergate aux-in will work in the same way as the one on the Gate does? (I am considering the powergate just because it has bluetooth included, I don't actually need the AMP)
Yes
Since I want a battery-driven Playfi speaker I am considering Wren Sound V3USP, or the Polk Audio Omni S2R since they seem to be the only one I can find that may be able to deliver what I need. Any thoughts on those or any other suggestions? I couldn't find any other suitable Playfi speakers.
I LOVE the Polk S6, I have 3 of them setup in mono in 3 different rooms. Very capable:
https://www.polkaudio.com/products/s6
I also have the DefTech W7 set up as a stereo pair in the dining room:
https://www.definitivetechnology.com/products/w7
The W7 is better as a pair. The S6 will be fine solo or as a stereo pair.
Doany of you do the same setup with a Paradigm PW link?
Yes, the PWlink will be better as a power amp paired with a sub because of ARC. The Powergate has more features, a better dac and a remote.
I am considering that one because I have a good external DAC and I would like to have a digital out on my "Play-Fi-Hub" (Klipsch Gate/Powergate or Paradigm PW Link).
I would like to use my existing devices via digital or analog-in on the PW-link to stream to Playfi speakers and on the other hand allow other streaming services to go via digital-out from the PW-link to my DAC and from that analog to the amp and stationary speakers. Would this work?
IDK, check the PW Amp manual.
Does anyone have experience with the SVS wireless Soundbase?
Seems to do the same as the Klipsch Powergate but is more expensive - does anybody know if it has any advantage (SQ?).
Thank you so much for this thread!
Cheers!
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Witchdoctor
Thanks for the thread. The Gate looks like what I've been looking for. Like you, I've got an older Marantz and it handles music to differing zones in our house. Never been thrilled with the JRiver/Gizmo/Marantz interface collection of apps. I've also got numerous other systems besides the home theater/MZ setup. That is where I'll be utilizing the Gate but I'll also install one in front of the Marantz so I have a one streaming app that I use. My main listening system is handled by JRiver and a BMC DAC. I've also got a Klipsch "The One" wireless speaker that I love. Glad to see it will become part of the 'ecosystem'.
My question is on the USB port. Can it be used to feed a DAC, in particular an old MHDT tube DAC? Not sure if the USB port is input only or bidirectional sending data out. The manual doesn't mention this capability. If not, it isn't a big deal. I'll just use the RCAs. Just wanted to add a little more tube flavor to one or two of my other systems.
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Witchdoctor
Thanks for the thread. The Gate looks like what I've been looking for. Like you, I've got an older Marantz and it handles music to differing zones in our house. Never been thrilled with the JRiver/Gizmo/Marantz interface collection of apps. I've also got numerous other systems besides the home theater/MZ setup. That is where I'll be utilizing the Gate but I'll also install one in front of the Marantz so I have a one streaming app that I use. My main listening system is handled by JRiver and a BMC DAC. I've also got a Klipsch "The One" wireless speaker that I love. Glad to see it will become part of the 'ecosystem'.
My question is on the USB port. Can it be used to feed a DAC, in particular an old MHDT tube DAC? Not sure if the USB port is input only or bidirectional sending data out. The manual doesn't mention this capability. If not, it isn't a big deal. I'll just use the RCAs. Just wanted to add a little more tube flavor to one or two of my other systems.
Hi, the USB port can be used for a wired ethernet connection with an adapter but NOT as a digital out. You can connect the analog out of your dac to the analog in of your gate though.
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Hi again,
Thanks for your reply. Super helpful!
I LOVE the Polk S6, I have 3 of them setup in mono in 3 different rooms. Very capable:
I also have the DefTech W7 set up as a stereo pair in the dining room:
The W7 is better as a pair. The S6 will be fine solo or as a stereo pair.
Both seem to need a power cable, however. No battery. But thanks anyways for the tip!
Yes, the PWlink will be better as a power amp paired with a sub because of ARC. The Powergate has more features, a better dac and a remote.
OH! The powergate has a better DAC? Then it will be Klipsch for me most probably.
Thanks m8!
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My question is on the USB port. Can it be used to feed a DAC, in particular an old MHDT tube DAC? Not sure if the USB port is input only or bidirectional sending data out. The manual doesn't mention this capability. If not, it isn't a big deal. I'll just use the RCAs. Just wanted to add a little more tube flavor to one or two of my other systems.
That's why I am considering the PW Link instead of the Klipsch, because the PW had a digital out that you could feed to a digital input on your DAC. Would do what you want, no?
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I have a kindle that is alexa enabled, I'll just say Alexa play (song or album) from (source) in (location) and it just works.
The PW Link can also be fed via RCA, spdif, and the "line in" feature of the playfi app.
I own the PW Amp and you will love what ARC can do with a sub!
How would you compare the PW Amp to the Powergate?
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Hello,
First of all, I hope you will understand me because I am French...
I just received a Kilpsch gate and so I installed Klipsch Stream and Klipsch Stream Utility on my Android smartphone.
I connected the box to my wifi network and then searched for available updates using Klipsch Stream Utility.
He found me two. I was able to install the 1st update without any problem but it's impossible for me to install the 2nd (FW version v: 1.32) , the "updated" button is not bronze but grey.
I think I follow the procedure, press the power button long while plugging the power cord into the Klipsch gate.
I see the progress of the download on my smartphone and, once 100% the Klipsch gate restarts as it did for the 1st update but this 2nd update is not installed... because Klipsch Stream Utility proposes again it to me every time. I must have done this operation about ten times without success....
And, to finish, it's impossible for me to use my Klipsch Stream Gate because it announces me that this 2nd update is available and must be installed before I can use my Klipsch gate....
Can I download this 2nd firmware as a file and install it on my Klipsch Gate with a USB key?
thank you in advance for your answers
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Hello,
First of all, I hope you will understand me because I am French...
I just received a Kilpsch gate and so I installed Klipsch Stream and Klipsch Stream Utility on my Android smartphone.
I connected the box to my wifi network and then searched for available updates using Klipsch Stream Utility.
He found me two. I was able to install the 1st update without any problem but it's impossible for me to install the 2nd (FW version v: 1.32) , the "updated" button is not bronze but grey.
I think I follow the procedure, press the power button long while plugging the power cord into the Klipsch gate.
I see the progress of the download on my smartphone and, once 100% the Klipsch gate restarts as it did for the 1st update but this 2nd update is not installed... because Klipsch Stream Utility proposes again it to me every time. I must have done this operation about ten times without success....
And, to finish, it's impossible for me to use my Klipsch Stream Gate because it announces me that this 2nd update is available and must be installed before I can use my Klipsch gate....
Can I download this 2nd firmware as a file and install it on my Klipsch Gate with a USB key?
thank you in advance for your answers
Yes you can install the file via USB. If you are using wireless make sure the Gate is really close to your router.
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How would you compare the PW Amp to the Powergate?
The PW Amp ARC is the best at integrating the sub with the speakers. If you are using an external dac you will need the PW Amp.
The Powergate sounds a little better driving my desktop setup and is a true integrated amp. I could easily live with either one. Depending on the room the PW Amp could easily sound better because of ARC.
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Thank you for your answer but I can't find this firmware as a file despite all my research.
where can I download it?
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Thank you for your answer but I can't find this firmware as a file despite all my research.
where can I download it?
Watch this, then download the update to your phone and then transfer the file to a thumb drive:
https://youtu.be/0Eok_GjgfZw
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Hey, there. I have one of these on the way to me, which I got from Amazon for $30. I am only using this thing a streamer for a set of powered speakers, not multi-room. I assume that the max stream it can handle is a 24/96 stream correct? And I just run it either using and auxiliary cable or 3.5 to rca set-up, correct?
It can't/won't stream higher than 96, right? Thanks!
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Hey, there. I have one of these on the way to me, which I got from Amazon for $30. I am only using this thing a streamer for a set of powered speakers, not multi-room. I assume that the max stream it can handle is a 24/96 stream correct? And I just run it either using and auxiliary cable or 3.5 to rca set-up, correct?
It can't/won't stream higher than 96, right? Thanks!
It will handle 24/192, just make sure to use Critical Listening mode in the Play Fi app.
The auxilary cable or 3.5 to rca works fine. I use a mogami 3.5 to rca and has nice SQ. Here is the manual:
https://f072605def1c9a5ef179-a0bc3fbf1884fc0965506ae2b946e1cd.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/product-manuals/Gate-Manual-v8.pdf
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So after my last firmware upgrade, i get no audio out anymore. I can connect to it via the stream app, but get zero output. Also, the button on top don't seem to light up. I searched online but don't seem to find anything useful wrt to this issue. Oh, another thing i noticed was that when i click on the critical listening mode, this klipsch gate device is marked as "unsupported device".
Anyone experienced this, and/or know how to reset the device? I really liked it while it worked ... :(
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So after my last firmware upgrade, i get no audio out anymore. Also, the button on top don't seem to light up.
I’m running two of these and a while ago, after an update, the ‘On’ (?) button on top stopped lighting up and I couldn’t connect to it. Since the other unit wasn’t affected by the update I assumed it was an issue with the unit so I reached out to the amazon seller who replaced it free of charge. Since then I’ve had no issues (I use one almost daily). I did notice the other day that they’ve jumped up to $99.00 each which is considerably more than I paid for mine (thank you Witchdoctor!). I also paid the extra couple bucks for the extended warranty but don’t think it mattered in this case as the unit was only a month or two old and never came up in my discussion with the seller.
There may be a workaround for this issue but this was my experience.
Brett
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So after my last firmware upgrade, i get no audio out anymore. I can connect to it via the stream app, but get zero output. Also, the button on top don't seem to light up. I searched online but don't seem to find anything useful wrt to this issue. Oh, another thing i noticed was that when i click on the critical listening mode, this klipsch gate device is marked as "unsupported device".
Anyone experienced this, and/or know how to reset the device? I really liked it while it worked ... :(
I started using DYS Play-Fi app instead of the Klipsch app and noticed it does hardware updates. The Klipsch Gate has two apps, the DTS app to run the system and the Klipsch Utility app to update the hardware. Have you used the Klipsch Utility app to update hardware?
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So I put the device into the update mode and reinstalled the firmware using the Klipsch utility app. That seemed to have done the trick. The buttons light up, and audio is flowing again. Connected to my stealth 8 monitors, sound is mind staggeringly good!
I just wish they had made a full featured streaming preamp with a couple of analog inputs and Bluetooth capability.
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So I put the device into the update mode and reinstalled the firmware using the Klipsch utility app. That seemed to have done the trick. The buttons light up, and audio is flowing again. Connected to my stealth 8 monitors, sound is mind staggeringly good!
I just wish they had made a full featured streaming preamp with a couple of analog inputs and Bluetooth capability.
Great news on your Gate updating.. The Powergate has analog inputs, digital and USB inputs and bluetooth. It also has a sub out and analog outputs if you want to use it as a pre.
There is also a Paradigm pre (Link) that is part of the Playfi ecosystem which also has ARC.
https://youtu.be/_Ksk1e6lXAU
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Hey, there, everyone:
So I bought the gate about a month ago to replace my chromecast due to the gate supporting the 192 files. I also upgraded to Amazon Ultra HD and did a trial run of Qobuz.
A few things, on both the Amazon Ultra HD and the Qobuz, the gate can't consistently stream the higher data rate required to stream the 192 files. My wifi router can hit speeds of 180MBS so that isn't the issue. The 96k files stream fine when I use Qobuz. If I try to stream the 192 files on Qobuz using the transfer playback button it will then successfully play it. However, when I hit that button, the music doesn't sound exactly the same and I am not convinced it's 192k file.
I am using an Android Phone Samsung s9 with the latest operating system.
If I try to stream Norah Jones' Come Away with me album, it's close, but on Tom Petty's Damn the Torpedoes it sounds brighter, more compressed than when using Qobuz from within the play-fi app
Amazon HD does not have a transfer from phone button, however. Additionally. while the Amazon music app itself has a button that lets you cast direct to the gate and it says in the app that it is in ultra HD, I suspect it's not that simple or true.
I emailed play-fi support and they were willing and tried to be helpful, but I am still not satisfied.
They claim that your android device grabs the full digital file off the wifi network and then simply relays the pure digital file through your router's wifi signal, essentially creating a home intranet. Your phone's DAC isn't used at all. I mostly believe this.
When you do transfer from phone, they claim it is coming directly from the music service's servers (QoBuz in that service's case). However, on certain recordings and possibly all of them, the file just doesn't sounds the same after you press that button).
I suspect when you cast directly from the amazon music hd app, since there is no way to enter the required critical listening mode for the 192k feature on the gate, that even though the Amazon music app says UltraHD, it's not even close. When you turn the android device off, the music still plays, so it's definitely coming directly off the internet as opposed to your phone. Additionally, since the "transfer from phone" feature was introduced when they integrated play-fi with Alexa, I wonder if the whole backend here is powered by Alexa, in which case, the best it could be is a 320 k file.
Sorry for the long post, but does anyone know how I can get a better sustained intranet connection for the gate so it can play the 192 files from my phone, and also is there anyway to see what size file the gate is actually playing? I can't quite seem to find it when I look at my router settings. There should be a way to see how much data the gate is actually pulling down...
Thanks for any help.
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HeyNYC Jag, you can get an ethernet/usb adapter for $10. Just plug it into the USB port on the back of the Gate and connect via ethernet. I find Amazon HD sounds great using critical listening mode. I checked today and if you watch your device you will see 192/24K (or whatever else file you are streaming) flash at the top of the album art just as the track begins and then it fades out to confirm the stream you are getting. Once you use a wired connection you should have no problem:
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Ethernet-Adapter-Supporting/dp/B00ET4KHJ2/ref=sr_1_4?crid=23T2MQN4GD4MF&keywords=amazon+usb+to+ethernet+adapter&qid=1572821277&sprefix=amazon+usb+to+etherne%2Caps%2C216&sr=8-4
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so, there is no fix for the wifi now working like it's supposed to? i need to purchase an usb to ethernet adapter & run ethernet cable in order for the unit to work like its supposed to? my ethernet switches are located on the 2nd floor & the unit is located on the first floor & am not going to run cables :-(
i haven't experimented as much as i want to with it, but i can stream directly to the unit via amazon alexa but there are drop outs when i stream through playfi on my desktop computer ... so the problem appears to be with the playfi software :-(
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IDK that the wifi is broken, 192 files are just bigger than 44 files so need more bandwidth and generally sound better via ethernet than wifi even if you didn't get drop outs IMO. I spent $30 on my Gate, $50 on my Mogami 3.5 mm to RCA cable and $10 for an ethernet adpter. All in it is still less than $100 and sounds great to my ears.
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Thanks for the responses witchdoctor. I had previously seen where folks used a USB ethernet adapter, but not practical for me.
I don't follow where you say that it will sound better over ethernet than wifi even if the wifi has no dropouts. It would be one thing if the unit itself was reporting back to amazon's server that there isn't enough bandwidth for the 192 file so then amazon's server would then automatically downgrade to a file that requires less bandwidth.
However, since the play-fi just works over your home router over the intranet through your phone unless you are streaming through Alexa service, then this doesn't apply. And the Alexa service only uses 320 mp3. As far as I know the phone takes the amazon hd file and tried to feed the raw digital file back through your home network to the play-fi unit. It completely bypasses the phones DAC converter.
Also, since my home wifi network can stream 4k video with no problem using the exact same android phone (that is the video file is on a cloud server I use, it pulls it down from the internet to the phone then distributes to my chromecast through the same scenario as amazon hd critical ilstening does with the gate), then there must be an issue with the gate's wifi antenna or on the software side.
I can stream video as described above AND dolby surround. massive files, with no problem. In fact, my ethernet set up can speeds of "only 40mb whereas the wifi crushes at 160MB. If the ethernet connection is the solution, then the gate's wifi is seriously not good.
Has anyone in this forum successfully used anyone's 192 hd hi-res service (qoguz or amazon hd) successfully using wifi only?
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One more question. Does anyone know when you are using the amazon android music app, and you press the cast button to play directly from the amazon app to the the gate, what kind of file the app is sending to the gate?
Thanks.
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since the usb to ethernet adapter works, i was wondering if a usb wifi adapter would work & was wondering if anyone's tried that?
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Update- I have a Gate in the kitchen that streams via wifi and had no trouble streaming 192 files yesterday using amazon HD. Could this be an amazon issue that they are working on?
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i'm able to stream 192khz from a nas using alexa with no drop outs :-)
the echo dot is outside, the gate is inside, so there should be more issues going through another wall to the dot outside
so, my wifi has enough power to stream 192khz outside, the gate should be more robust, but isn't :-(
if the issue is the playfi software we can only hope that alexa will be able, in the future, to directly stream to the gate, not through playfi
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as an experiment i tried plugging a couple usb wifi adapters into the gate ... nothing happened ... apparently usb to ethernet works but not usb to wifi
just thought i'd share
maybe other usb-wifi may work, but those 2 that i tried didn't ...
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Hey, there, now when I stream Amazon HD in critical listening mode, I can no longer see what type of file is being used whereas recently there was an update that allowed this, althought the streaming was choppy, now no longer choppy but critical and regular mode sound pretty much same.
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I haven't had any dropouts recently either. Try playing one of amazons hirez playlists to confirm you are playing them without issue :)
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Hello im need assistant
Yesterday I received a long-awaited package with Powergate, connected it to WI-F and opened the Utility application, pressed the update button, but apparently something went wrong. Now nothing lights up on the front panel, I tried to enter the update mode by pressing the power button for 5 seconds. It didn't work at the moment, the wi-fi light is flashing every second. Tell me what needs to be done in order for the amplifier to work again? Factory reset does not work!
im watched video about firmware update on stream three via usb service port, is there the same update or restore procedure for powergate?
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I am currently using a CCA and am looking at moving up the ladder. How would this Gate compare with a Rasberry PI with a Digione HAT? Thanks for all of the information on this.
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I have no experience with the Klipsch Gate, but I can say that when I upgraded from a Chromecast Audio to an Allo DigiOne, we got a clear and significant increase in sound quality that was immediately noticable. My wife and I both agreed that it was a big improvement. If you keep your DigiOne's OS up to date (I use Volumio), the connections are very reliable.
Again, my only experience with similar products is with the CCA, so I have no input on the Gate other than from what I read here in this thread.
I know John Darko loves the Digione though, and he has experience with a lot of different streamers, many more than I've heard, many in the several thousand dollar price range. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BUjj2mZ4o0
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Klipsch makes the Gate Streamer as part of their wireless, whole house audio ensemble utilizing the DTS Play-Fi ecosystem. https://www.soundandvision.com/content/klipsch-audio-goes-all-way-dts-play-fi
I purchased the Gate streamer on Amazon for $25 (MSRP $179) because I wanted to have the ability to play the same music in my media room throughout the house. It has a line in port and a line out port and you operate it with a Klipsch streaming app you can download to an apple,android device or a kindle tablet. The concept behind this product is to add streaming capability to legacy products. I connected the analog in to my Marantz 7702 processor in the media room and then connected the other one to the line in port on my Paradigm Active Shift A2 speaker in the kitchen. I setup the app, updated the software, connected my streaming services and my NAS drive music server and it worked as expected.
After the Gate broke in a couple days I did some critical listening in my media room in 2 channel "pure direct" mode. I was surprised at what I was hearing. This sounded like an analog source more than a digital source. Then I remembered, this is from Klipsch and maybe they voiced it to sound like vinyl. The music is sooo relaxed when you play it through the Gate it just flows.
Out of curiosity I took the Gate from the kitchen into my office system two have a A/B comparison with the Blusound Node. I only listened to HIFI tracks, not MQA to make it a fair comparison. The Node is a great product and I have enjoyed it for over a year.
I preferred the Gate, so much so that the only reason I am keeping the Node is for MQA. The Gate seemed to capture music that the node left out. The bass seemed fuller and smoother through the Gate, in the Node it was a little more "boomy". You could hear the inhalations and and breathing between phrases in soft jazz singers through the Gate, it seemed this subtle information was left out through the Node. After listening to the Gate I feel like I really want to compare a lot more music but I think this is a sleeper product that was tripped up by the software. Klipsch released this product in 2016 and that version of the software was not ready for primetime. The 2019 version has gone through multiple updates since then and I liked it as much as Bluos for navigating music playlists and better than Bluos for controlling my whole house system. The Gate has a "critical listening" mode you need to engage for listening to hirez and I found I preferred that mode for Tidal HIFI tracjs as well. When you use that mode you are limited to streaming to one device.
My next step will be to upgrade the wall wart 5V power supply with iFi's iPower and get a Mogami 3.5 mm to RCA cable as all my interconnects are Mogami.
There are other DTS Play-Fi streamers available from Polk, Definitive Technology, Arcam and Mcintosh. These other streamers have digital ports so you can connect them to a DAC. I like this Klipsch sound so much I have 0 desire to change it out but would be curious to compare. Overall I would recommend this product as a streamer, even if you don't want to get into whole house audio. BTW, when Quboz becomes available in the US this device is hirez capable. The Quboz app shows up in the streaming software but it isn't available in the US yet. Here is a link to the Gate review that Quboz did:
https://www.qobuz.com/ie-en/info/hi-fi/bancs-d-essai/klipsch-gate-a-streamer-with-great179353
Did the iFi iPower end up making a big difference in the sound quality?