Benefits of balanced operation?

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hifiet

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Benefits of balanced operation?
« on: 27 Apr 2004, 07:50 pm »
Hi,

Can someone tell me why I should use a balanced connection between pre and power amp, assuming their distance is only 1 meter.
I must decide on which cable to buy soon.
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Benefits of balanced operation?
« Reply #1 on: 1 May 2004, 01:53 pm »
Hi Hifiet,

Good question and one I get asked at least once a day.

Point 1- Cables in an audio system are antennas to the outside world.

Point 2- The advantage of balanced lines in audio systems has to do with "COMMON MODE NOISE REJECTION" Balanced lines have 3 conductors (instead of the 2 in single ended cables, ground and positive - popular name RCA). With Balanced lines there is a Ground a Neutral and Positive so any electrical magnetic energy stricking the interconnect cable (and there is plenty of it out there) gets shunted to ground rather than allowed to enter the audio system through the ground on the 2 wire RCA system.

Point 3 - the down side of balanced lines is you need a sending amplifier
(at the source) and a recieving amplifier at the input. So you have two more amplifier stages in balanced circuits than you have with single-ended circuits like RCA cables There are cheap ways to provide balanced circuits, like transformers and IC chips - Bryston uses fully discrete balanced circuits so the quality of the two amplifier circuits are state of the art.

So after all this I guess my advice is to always use balanced circuits when you have long lengths of interconnect - like from the preamp to the amp, because the longer the length the more antenna. Balanced lines are less likely to provide benifits in short lenghts like from a source component to a preamplifer ( 1 Meter or so) and it could be argued that there is a down side with short lengths because of the 2 additional amplifier stages required.

Hope this helps. I also have a more detailed answer in the Newsletters on the Bryston website.

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nicolasb

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Benefits of balanced operation?
« Reply #2 on: 1 May 2004, 04:30 pm »
And presumably using balanced connections also eliminates the possibility of a ground loop...?

James Tanner

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« Reply #3 on: 1 May 2004, 04:33 pm »
Ground loop - helps does not guarantee

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hifiet

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Benefits of balanced operation?
« Reply #4 on: 8 May 2004, 03:26 pm »
Thank you James for your answer on my question.
I guess you get the best of both worlds with the Bryston solution.
You can start one way, according to your set up. And if major changes should occur go for the other connection.

hifiet.

1oldguy

Re: Benefits of balanced operation?
« Reply #5 on: 28 Oct 2021, 11:54 am »
In my experience balanced wins hands down. :popcorn:

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Re: Benefits of balanced operation?
« Reply #6 on: 28 Oct 2021, 05:57 pm »
 I have found  balanced is better....more gain and lower noise floor.  If you have the connections please try them.

1oldguy

Re: Benefits of balanced operation?
« Reply #7 on: 28 Oct 2021, 10:28 pm »
I have found  balanced is better....more gain and lower noise floor.  If you have the connections please try them.


100% agreed....Infact I would Never buy anything now that can't use XLR it's that good compared to RCA.

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Re: Benefits of balanced operation?
« Reply #8 on: 29 Oct 2021, 01:12 am »
An important point that's also not always understood : To get the benefits of a balanced system, the whole chain has to be balanced in some form or fashion from source to amp.