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Title: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Sep 2013, 01:37 am
What is Manic Moose?

Manic Moose will be the third major firmware release for Bryston's digital player line up (BDP-1 & BDP-2).  The first was Canadian Beaver (S0) and the second being Loony Loon (S1).  This new iteration will be based on a minimal build of the Debian Wheezy Linux distribution and will contain a number of enhancements based on what worked in the previous major releases and what didn't work.

Why is this post?

To keep BDP customers informed on the status of the project and to get customer input.

How do I get Manic Moose?
In the event the update fails you'll want to make sure your able to take the top off of your unit, to do this you'll need a torx 8 screw driver and some patients/muscles as those screws are really on there.  You'll also need a compact flash card reader to reflash the CF card inside of the BDP that contains the firmware, instructions on how to do this can be found from this link:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Windows.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Windows.pdf)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Mac%20OS%20X.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Mac%20OS%20X.pdf) (Pages 3 & 4)
Its software thats still in early development, things are bound to go wrong!

These instructions should provide you with everything to install manic moose without taking your BDP apart.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Manic%20Moose%20Upgrade%20Instructions.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Manic%20Moose%20Upgrade%20Instructions.pdf)

Once you have manic moose installed you'll likely want to upgrade to the latest build, the link below explains how to do this
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf)

Objectives:
-increase reliability and stability (S&B) of the core firmware
-implement Shairplay a open source project to emulate an audio airplay access point
-compile complete builds of MPD 0.16.8 and 0.17.5
-implement DSD over USB to DSD enabled DAC's
-implement a upnp renderer for audio
-expand upon the BDP's NAS connectivity, add support for NFS & AFP
-rebuild and design the BDP's web interface based on a combination of Ajax and Web Sockets (web design is currently being worked on by web designers out sourced from Ottawa.  A basic interface incorporating web sockets has been started)(Current Focus)
-The ability to munipulate tag and album data from with in the web interface.
-Memory Player, when a dvd or bluray drive is attached to the BDP it will have the ability to playback audio from cd's, dvd's and blurays (BOT).  Rather then playing the content from the original media, the content would be copied to system memory or mass storage for playback.
-Automatically generate playlists based on most recently added songs and most commonly played songs

-Web Interface to play back audio files not in MPD's database
-Option to turn on auto update
-Avahi/MPD Compatibility
-Calculate and compare checksum of audio files to online database and/or history to ensure integrity of audio files
-Option to not display currently playing song info from web interface so the settings from the front panel is still accessible

Web Interface that acts like a wizard:
1. you select your songs from your library (create the playlist)
2. select playback options (repeat, shuffle, consume)
3. display the playlist with the cover art


* Playlist support, save playlists to USB drives and a more advanced editor
* ReplayGain as an option in MPD settings
* Backup/synchronization software (rsync) between drives and network shares.
* btrfs filesystem support
* sort songs by resolution
* Support for multiple images in a folder - mostly for the max interface unless you can influence the iOS/android app devs to support the basic names cover, front, back, folder.
* Allow the user to select the preferred cover art name.  Typically the current ripping/tagging programs I use is configured can provide cover, front, back, spine and folder versions and can even provide multiple versions (cover (1).jpg cover (2).jpg).
* Configurable location for album art files.


Objectives Completed
-(S&B), moved user data from image file to a separate partition on the internal flash drive.  Our original idea however Canadian Beaver would kernel panic during start up if there was a second partition on the same drive.  After revisiting this option with Manic Moose didn't have the same issue and we where able to come up with a perl script to re-partition the existing flash drive using a usb thumb drive.  This allows us to keep the partition holding the firmware in a read only state at all times, except during firmware upgrades.
-AirPlay with selectable output devices (shairplay project)
-MPD 0.17.5 configured as below with DSD support
-MPad and mPod self discovery working, turns out you also need to create a mpd services file
-ng-usbmount utility, rewritten to use different techniques for identifying supported filesystems and tested with NTFS with mbr, hfs plus with mbr, hfs plus with guid, fat32, exfat, ext3 and ext4
-ng-brystonpanel, added a new sub menu to go along with drives, playlist and settings; there is now a playback menu that allows users to toggle repeat, random, consume, single, clear the playlist, force a global update of MPD and to switch between an advance/basic version of the drive menu. drive menu (used for selecting music for playback) is being changed around abit to hopefully make it a bit easier to use


Current Work:

-integrating new web interface as pictured below, once we get a bit further into this and develop a method to allow customers to load firmwares from loony loon and manic moose when we begin releasing public beta's.  Also you may wish to invest in a cf card reader and torx 8 screw driver in case something goes wrong.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Windows.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Windows.pdf)

MPD 0.17.5 Config

########### MPD CONFIGURATION ############

Archive support:
   (+bzip2) (+ISO9660) (-ZIP)
Autodiscovery support:
   (+Avahi) (-Bonjour)
Client support:
   (+IPv6) (+TCP) (+UNIX Domain Sockets)
File format support:
   (+AAC) (+C64 SID) (+FFMPEG) (+FLAC) (-FluidSynth) (-GME) (+libsndfile)
   (-MikMod) (-MODPLUG) (+MAD) (+MPG123) (+MP4) (+Musepack)
   (-OggTremor) (+OggVorbis) (-WAVE) (+WavPack) (-WildMidi)
Other features:
   (+libsamplerate) (+inotify) (-SQLite)
Metadata support:
   (+ID3)
Playback support:
   (+ALSA) (-FFADO) (+FIFO) (+File Recorder) (+HTTP Daemon) (-JACK)
   (+libao) (-Media MVP) (+OSS) (-OpenAL) (-OS X) (-Pipeline)
   (-PulseAudio) (-ROAR) (+SHOUTcast) (-Solaris) (-WinMM)
Streaming encoder support:
   (+FLAC) (+LAME) (+Ogg Vorbis) (-TwoLAME) (+WAVE)
Streaming support:
   (+CDIO_PARANOIA) (+CURL) (+Despotify) (+Last.FM) (+Soundcloud)
   (-MMS) (+SOUP)

##########################################


Where  we go next is up in he air, but these are our current priorities. Additional objectives will be added as I remember them and as suggestions are posted.

Cheers,
Chris


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=87110)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=87111)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=87112)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=87113)



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Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 18 Sep 2013, 05:16 am
Thanks for the news on the update Chris.

A few minor user convenience suggestions:
* fix the avahi settings so smartphone clients can auto configure vs typing out the hostname or ip address.  This should just work, but for some reason this isn't for the BDP, every other linux mpd server i have works flawlessly and I think this would be a major improvement for new and current BDP owners.
* Enable inotify for MPD so we won't ever have to manually do a db update again.
* If you can work with the app developers, perhaps ask them to help auto-complete the URL for album art when they detect bryston or just as a default.   Also if the BDP-1/2 supports Wake-on-Lan (WOL) that would be an added bonus if the apps cloud wake up the BDP-2.  (pretty sure BDP-1 alix board doesn't support WOL)
* Perhaps overkill but for FLAC users off a way to validate the checksum when requested (i.e trackverify via audiotools) and report errors.   

Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: tomsenko on 18 Sep 2013, 09:23 am
Hi Chris,

One small suggestion:

For those who have large music libraries, it would be nice to have the option to simply browse the NAS/USB drives without updating the music databases (like through Windows Explorer). For example, If I copy new music to my NAS, it might take an hour before the whole database is updated. Instead it would be much easier to use MAX interface to browse to the respective folder and just play it.

Toms
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Sep 2013, 10:32 am
+1,
would be so very nice indeed. been a longtime wish for me.

I do hope the networking interface-to-be is based on some kind of browsing also, and not based on the current rather user-unfriendly interface.
Please dont forget the BRadio interface!

other than that, judging on the screenshots:  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: fully understand your relative radio-silence of the last months...
Cheers,
Marius

Hi Chris,

One small suggestion:

For those who have large music libraries, it would be nice to have the option to simply browse the NAS/USB drives without updating the music databases (like through Windows Explorer). For example, If I copy new music to my NAS, it might take an hour before the whole database is updated. Instead it would be much easier to use MAX interface to browse to the respective folder and just play it.

Toms
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: So There on 20 Sep 2013, 12:38 am
Chris, many thanks for applying your expertise, enthusiasm, and patience to this important upgrade. As our fellow audio enthusiasts have noted, we're very much looking forward to the new firmware and eagerly anticipate posts on your experiences developing this release.

(Can't wait for the down-the-line Hanson Brothers Hockey FW release.  :nono:)


Rich
_______________
Whiney Napa Valley

The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Sep 2013, 01:54 pm
Chris, many thanks for applying your expertise, enthusiasm, and patience to this important upgrade. As our fellow audio enthusiasts have noted, we're very much looking forward to the new firmware and eagerly anticipate posts on your experiences developing this release.

(Can't wait for the down-the-line Hanson Brothers Hockey FW release.  :nono:)


Rich
_______________
Whiney Napa Valley

The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130


experiences:

 :scratch: :duh: :evil: :?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: So There on 20 Sep 2013, 04:18 pm
The usual developer's experiences, eh? Caffeine and sleep deprivation?  :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Sep 2013, 11:02 pm
Just in case no one has noticed, rather then replying to messages with , along with the progress I have been modifying the original post so that all the up to date information is in one place.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 24 Sep 2013, 03:51 am
More for the list if there's room:
*Playlist support --  I should be able to save a playlist somewhere, currently the mpd.conf points it to a nonexistent link /var/lib/mpd/playlist.  If storage space is a concern perhaps allow the user to install a thumb drive and select that for as playlist storage.  I haven't tried but even a .playlist directory on root of storage drive could be an option with a .mpdignore defined if needed.
*ReplayGain as an option -- with note that not all file formats support this feature.

Bonus Points and free 1-UPs:
* rsync hard drives between multiple BPDs and perhaps computer/NAS.   I currently have a cron job on my mac mini to do this, but no reason why the BDP can't take over that task.
* ecasound - if you are overly zealous :)
* btrfs support with weekly scrubbing of the media drive -- I do this along side of the weekly flac checksum checking.   ... I currently have two bad flac files that I need to fix...

--Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Sep 2013, 04:17 am
More for the list if there's room:
*Playlist support --  I should be able to save a playlist somewhere, currently the mpd.conf points it to a nonexistent link /var/lib/mpd/playlist.  If storage space is a concern perhaps allow the user to install a thumb drive and select that for as playlist storage.  I haven't tried but even a .playlist directory on root of storage drive could be an option with a .mpdignore defined if needed.
*ReplayGain as an option -- with note that not all file formats support this feature.

Bonus Points and free 1-UPs:
* rsync hard drives between multiple BPDs and perhaps computer/NAS.   I currently have a cron job on my mac mini to do this, but no reason why the BDP can't take over that task.
* ecasound - if you are overly zealous :)
* btrfs support with weekly scrubbing of the media drive -- I do this along side of the weekly flac checksum checking.   ... I currently have two bad flac files that I need to fix...

--Jim

Hi Jim,

your BDP should be saving playlists to an image file on the internal flash drive, /var/lib/mpd/playlist should be a symlink to /mnt/img/playlists.  We do intend on giving end users the option of saving playlists and settings to a usb thumb drive instead down the road in manic moose.  Some of these recommendations are definitely good idea's and i'll see about implementing them.  ecasound i'm not sure about, i'm not familiar with it and from what i have gathered it appears to be a cli based audio editing suite?  It appears to be quite powerful, but i'm not really sure if its appropriate for the BDP's purpose.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 24 Sep 2013, 05:24 am
I created the playlist directory and all is well.  Guessing that's a random mkdir bug between upgrades if I skipped a version?

ecasound might be fun way to add tone controls :)  -- just kidding



--Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 24 Sep 2013, 06:58 am
Wow Chris,

That's some list you're working on. Any chance of letting us know when we're able to test drive?

btw, since you asked: don't forget the Internet radio functionality, can't seem to find it on your list...

and, kudo's for adapting the Apple iTunesy feel in the interface, very pleasing to the eye, and intuitive looking interface

Cheers!
Marius

Just in case no one has noticed, rather then replying to messages with , along with the progress I have been modifying the original post so that all the up to date information is in one place.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 24 Sep 2013, 07:00 am
Now that I have the playlist working :), it would useful to create playlist based on search, for example:

# create playlist for all id3 date tags of year 2012
mpc search Date 2012 > /mnt/img/playlists/y2012.m3u
# create playslist for all music added (or modified) to drive in the last six months
cd /media && find . -type f -mtime -180 | sed 's/\.\///g' |tee /mnt/img/playlist/Last6months.m3u
# create playlist for all music added (or modified) to drive in the last week
cd /media && find . -type f -mtime -7 | sed 's/\.\///g' | tee /mnt/img/playlist/LastWeek.m3u
# create playlist for all high-resolution files
# seems to be a missing feature to do this... I currently use beets to generate playlists but it's overkill.

Easy way would be to just add this to the startup script, but perhaps an inotify/mpc update daemon or a cron job would be more appropriate.   

--Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Sep 2013, 03:00 pm
Now that I have the playlist working :), it would useful to create playlist based on search, for example:

# create playlist for all id3 date tags of year 2012
mpc search Date 2012 > /mnt/img/playlists/y2012.m3u
# create playslist for all music added (or modified) to drive in the last six months
cd /media && find . -type f -mtime -180 | sed 's/\.\///g' |tee /mnt/img/playlist/Last6months.m3u
# create playlist for all music added (or modified) to drive in the last week
cd /media && find . -type f -mtime -7 | sed 's/\.\///g' | tee /mnt/img/playlist/LastWeek.m3u
# create playlist for all high-resolution files
# seems to be a missing feature to do this... I currently use beets to generate playlists but it's overkill.

Easy way would be to just add this to the startup script, but perhaps an inotify/mpc update daemon or a cron job would be more appropriate.   

--Jim

Hi Jim,

Max 2 already has similar functionality, you can perform a search and add the entire results to the current playlist then from there you can save the playlist.  Although you did remind me of something else i want to add to the features list.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Alpha10 on 24 Sep 2013, 06:10 pm
Wow Chris,

That's some list you're working on. Any chance of letting us know when we're able to test drive?

btw, since you asked: don't forget the Internet radio functionality, can't seem to find it on your list...

and, kudo's for adapting the Apple iTunesy feel in the interface, very pleasing to the eye, and intuitive looking interface

Cheers!
Marius

BIG +1 on the Internet Radio - Especially if I can listen to BBC stations  :D

The new interface looks really great  :thumb:

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 25 Sep 2013, 04:15 am
Hi Jim,

Max 2 already has similar functionality, you can perform a search and add the entire results to the current playlist then from there you can save the playlist.  Although you did remind me of something else i want to add to the features list.

Cheers,
Chris

Max 2 is rather limited as it doesn't allow you to search by year and it only saves a playlists and is rather static.   My request is to provide a mechanism for create dynamic playlists as you add new songs to the attached drive, nightly or with a manual update.  Most of this can be achieved with the startup script configuration page, assuming mpc, sed and grep are available with the correct permissions.  (Hopefully with an account that only has read-only access to the music, but can create playlists.)   It would be killer to isolate hirez files and anything added within the last few months and also even by decades (I like to exclude music from the 80s whenever possible).

Also a more debugging type requests.
* all scripts (i.e. albumDB) should report errors to a log (maybe syslog).  I have to repeatedly start the "Build Album DB" to get through the entire file, and on that page it just indicates
* mpd.log is read-only for me, might be useful to use it to log any crashes.

--Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 25 Sep 2013, 05:52 am
BIG +1 on the Internet Radio - Especially if I can listen to BBC stations  :D

The new interface looks really great  :thumb:

Cheers

I know this probably won't be something for this release, but it'd help me get rid of another device if my BDP-2 could play songs from my music service accounts, such as Rhapsody, etc. My wife loves the interface her Sonos provides, but I'd be happy to scrap it and just have her use the BDP-2. even for casual "while I'm working on something else" music.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Sep 2013, 10:40 pm
Max 2 is rather limited as it doesn't allow you to search by year and it only saves a playlists and is rather static.   My request is to provide a mechanism for create dynamic playlists as you add new songs to the attached drive, nightly or with a manual update.  Most of this can be achieved with the startup script configuration page, assuming mpc, sed and grep are available with the correct permissions.  (Hopefully with an account that only has read-only access to the music, but can create playlists.)   It would be killer to isolate hirez files and anything added within the last few months and also even by decades (I like to exclude music from the 80s whenever possible).

Also a more debugging type requests.
* all scripts (i.e. albumDB) should report errors to a log (maybe syslog).  I have to repeatedly start the "Build Album DB" to get through the entire file, and on that page it just indicates
* mpd.log is read-only for me, might be useful to use it to log any crashes.

--Jim

Hi Jim,

You bdp doesn't seem to be behaving as it should be, sounds like your looking in the wrong spot or perhaps your BDP is suffering from some file system corruption.  You may want to run fsck on /dev/sda1 and /live/image/img, also keep in mind the bdp's firmware runs from a squashfs file system stored on the flash drive and as files are needed they are copied from the original source (squashfs) into main memory.  The mpd.log file should be writeable and be full of information and album db should generate a log, granted the display part of it doesn't always work and the original is stored in /dev/shm.  You'll find quite a few temp files in /dev/shm for those that are interested.

Cheers,
Chris

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 26 Sep 2013, 06:47 am
Chris

fsck did the trick and mpd.log is writeable, as far as I'm aware it's been that way from day one.  Running fsck might actually be a good option if leaving the fstab fsck/fs_passno to 0.

Ah.. The albumdb log file :) ... I think the albumdb perl script might be better served as a makefile (or scons) with dependency checking per file calling a pruned version of the perl script. In other words, use build dependencies to update/extract the artwork if the image doesn't exist or the media file is newer vs scan every file.   Also an option to extract album art per album vs per file would be much faster and would guess is pretty much most folks need.  Perhaps this is all dealt with the new web interface.   

Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 Sep 2013, 07:17 am
HI,

how nice it would be indeed if Max 3 would finally deal with this. Ive had to use Max without any albumview ever since it went into beta, and gave up on hitting the build-button over and over again. Thus rendering half the interface useless, and to be honest, somewhat below par for Brystons reference class. Especially knowing it not te be caused by the actual media files. Mpod/mpad interfaces show them beautifully.

So, fingers crossed on that one! First screen shots look amazing.

Marius


Ah.. The albumdb log file :) ... I think the albumdb perl script might be better served as a makefile (or scons) with dependency checking per file calling a pruned version of the perl script. In other words, use build dependencies to update/extract the artwork if the image doesn't exist or the media file is newer vs scan every file.   Also an option to extract album art per album vs per file would be much faster and would guess is pretty much most folks need.  Perhaps this is all dealt with the new web interface.   

Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BrystonNut on 27 Sep 2013, 03:29 pm
I am really looking forward to the next iteration of software for my BDP1, I just browsed through this forum but couldn't find a release date?

Sorry if this has been asked already a million times... :duh:

PS. If there is a chance for a BETA release I would be willing to try it and report back any issues :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: hal jones on 27 Sep 2013, 03:54 pm
^
Me too. The screenshots look great !!  :hyper:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 16 Oct 2013, 06:16 am
Chris,

A few more album art wishes:
* Support for multiple images in a folder - mostly for the max interface unless you can influence the iOS/android app devs to support the basic names cover, front, back, folder.
* Allow the user to select the preferred cover art name.  Typically the current ripping/tagging programs I use is configured can provide cover, front, back, spine and folder versions and can even provide multiple versions (cover (1).jpg cover (2).jpg).
* Configurable location for album art files.

Is there an order of precedence with the cover art?  i.e. 1) image file(s) in folder, 2) extract image(s) from media file to image file(s), and 3) download image file(s)?  If so some might find it desirable to disable one or more of these steps.   

Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Oct 2013, 02:36 pm
Hi Jim,

There are some rules already in place but they are hard coded in, i will look into providing a method to customize to the order and names.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Oct 2013, 05:07 pm
Hi Folks,

In my office playing DSD Files on Chris's new Manic Moose BDP-2 Software

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=88523)

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Oct 2013, 01:10 pm


Current Work:

-integrating new web interface as pictured below, once we get a bit further into this and develop a method to allow customers to load firmwares from loony loon and manic moose when we begin releasing public beta's.  Also you may wish to invest in a cf card reader and torx 8 screw driver in case something goes wrong.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Windows.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Windows.pdf)


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Nov 2013, 07:33 pm
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Dear Chris,
Thank you for the DSD playback you made possible for me tonight.
You do your job very well.
Good night!
Yours. Dario.

Inviato da iPhone

Btw, a public Beta will be posted sometime this week, likely Tuesday (nov 5) or Wednesday (nov 6) depending on how busy I get.  If you wish to participate i would highly recommend that you confirm that you can take the cover off of your BDP (we've had a few complaints about stripping screws and yes we are working on resolving this in manufacturing); you'll need a torx 8 screw driver to take the top off.  Also a compact flash card reader to re-image the flash drive to go back to loony loon (current stable release) or if the manic moose upgrade fails, which it could as we've only tested a handful of units.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 5 Nov 2013, 08:53 am
Btw, a public Beta will be posted sometime this week, likely Tuesday (nov 5) or Wednesday (nov 6) depending on how busy I get.  If you wish to participate i would highly recommend that you confirm that you can take the cover off of your BDP (we've had a few complaints about stripping screws and yes we are working on resolving this in manufacturing); you'll need a torx 8 screw driver to take the top off.  Also a compact flash card reader to re-image the flash drive to go back to loony loon (current stable release) or if the manic moose upgrade fails, which it could as we've only tested a handful of units.

I have both!   :D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Nov 2013, 11:07 pm
How do I get the Beta?
Before you take part in install the manic moose beta onto your unit you'll want to make sure your able to take the top off of your unit, to do this you'll need a torx 8 screw driver and some patients/muscles as those screws are really on there.  You'll also need a compact flash card reader to reflash the CF card inside of the BDP that contains the firmware, instructions on how to do this can be found from this link:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Windows.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Windows.pdf)
Its software thats still in early development, things are bound to go wrong!

These instructions should provide you with everything to install manic moose on to your unit along with what to expect.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Manic%20Moose%20Upgrade%20Instructions.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Manic%20Moose%20Upgrade%20Instructions.pdf)

Once you have manic moose installed you'll likely want to upgrade to the latest nightly build, the link below explain how to do this
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Upgrading%20Manic%20Moose.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Upgrading%20Manic%20Moose.pdf)

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 7 Nov 2013, 09:30 am

Hi Chris,
Some problems here with the update.
 It keeps asking me for a USB drive with more than 948MB available even if I put one in ( yes it is FAT32) I tried all USB ports, but without success. I tried several different thumb drives also.

Any ideas? or do I start looking for my Torx 8 screwdriver  :|


UPDATE: The ninth (yes 9) ! USB thumb drive I tried worked!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Nov 2013, 01:21 pm
Hi Wim,

Did you restart the BDP after swapping the thumb drives?

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 7 Nov 2013, 01:57 pm
Hi Chris,

Are there specific functions you're seeking feedback on at this point? It looks like many of the functions hinted at in the UI aren't coded in yet. I like the new library navigation. In my library, (/album artist/album/track.flac) if I click on an album that has an "&" in the folder name, I can't see a track listing. I only get "loading..."

Cheers,
Gary 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 7 Nov 2013, 02:14 pm
Hi Wim,

Did you restart the BDP after swapping the thumb drives?

Cheers
Chris
Chris,

Yes I did, but Manic Mosse is active now.
One thing I noticed is that the refresh is not  OK. In the media view screen You have song title on top under that some controls, and under that you have the progression bar. A the left side there's a field displaying the playlist. The playing song is indicated by a speaker symbol.
The song indicated by the speakersymbol is correct but the big title in the middle of the screen stays at the first song I played. The progression bar refreshes OK, but not the song title! Everything is ok when performing a manual refresh, untill the next song starts,....

Also the display on the BDP1 is NOT refresshing AT ALL, teh first song I played is displayed, even after two hours of playing music (nope it was not in repeat-mode  :duh:)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 7 Nov 2013, 02:35 pm
Chris,

Yes I did, but Manic Mosse is active now.
One thing I noticed is that the refresh is not  OK. In the media view screen You have song title on top under that some controls, and under that you have the progression bar. A the left side there's a field displaying the playlist. The playing song is indicated by a speaker symbol.
The song indicated by the speakersymbol is correct but the big title in the middle of the screen stays at the first song I played. The progression bar refreshes OK, but not the song title! Everything is ok when performing a manual refresh, untill the next song starts,....
Another thing to have a look at: When the artist name is containing & -character, song titles are not loading,...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Nov 2013, 04:58 pm
Hi Chris,

Update seemed to go well, had to do 2 reboots, and the bdp1 fired up alright.

Can not play though.....

and can't find it on the network. It shows up as bdp in mac finder, (was bryston-bdp-1) but won't let me connect to it. I can't follow up with the further firmware upgrade you describe.

What to do?

nevermind, i found it with the IPaddress displayed on the frontpanel. Chris, downloading the upgrade now, will you make saving the file on elsewhere, preferably another computer, possible? Like to keep my music-drives away from computer setup issues.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mario09 on 7 Nov 2013, 07:33 pm
Chris,

How can I enabled airplay (shareplay) with ManicMoose? I tried to stream TuneIn Radio with my iPad and unfortunately it didńt work. My iPad see the BDP in the airplay menu.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Nov 2013, 08:08 pm
Hey Chris,

finally found the bdp in my safari browser, on bdp.local/bryston. That won't do it in Finder though. Might the fact that samba isn;t enabled have to do with that.... Please make that a no1 priority  :(

and, just to ask, might that be the reason there's a big 'Nope' on the network interfaces page, and only windows network shares are displayed....
MPD settings won't stick, neither do the services, and I need those...Depended on them heavily in the previous version...

i do hope you're working overtime at the moment..

You're preferred interface Mpod won;t read the BDP right now, in fact it throws it out of memory. MPAD does read it luckily. In fact it is the only way of operating it at the moment. Strange. Other than the frontbuttons of course.
Cant designate a drive for the album art yet?

Well, all in all, Ive managed the update without to big a hiccup, but you could have warned us Mac users......

Cheers and please work hard!

Marius

ps did I mention it looks mighty wonderful  :thumb: so much better than before. Thanks!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Nov 2013, 08:30 pm
Hi Chris,

Update seemed to go well, had to do 2 reboots, and the bdp1 fired up alright.

Can not play though.....

and can't find it on the network. It shows up as bdp in mac finder, (was bryston-bdp-1) but won't let me connect to it. I can't follow up with the further firmware upgrade you describe.

What to do?

nevermind, i found it with the IPaddress displayed on the frontpanel. Chris, downloading the upgrade now, will you make saving the file on elsewhere, preferably another computer, possible? Like to keep my music-drives away from computer setup issues.


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

Do the songs appear in the database at all?  You can save firmware update to the BDP's internal storage.... assuming the partitioning worked correctly

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Nov 2013, 08:36 pm
Chris,

How can I enabled airplay (shareplay) with ManicMoose? I tried to stream TuneIn Radio with my iPad and unfortunately it didńt work. My iPad see the BDP in the airplay menu.

Thank you.

The airplay feature is still in very early development and i have yet to add anything to take into account having multiple programs attempting to access alsa at once.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Nov 2013, 08:44 pm
Hi Marius,

Do the songs appear in the database at all?  You can save firmware update to the BDP's internal storage.... assuming the partitioning worked correctly

Cheers,
Chris

Yes, I just discovered the Media button top right of the main window. All drives are found, and played thus far .
I know I can save the firmware to the internal storage, but thought you mentioned if things go wrong, we have to take the bdp apart.... So i took the risk of saving to the attached drives. which worked without a problem. Its just that before I had a download folder on my Mac, where i stored all update.bin files. Seems the save way, not to have to fiddle with the drives my life's work is stored... So, considers saving externally please?

o, and never mind my remarks about MPOD: I deleted it from my iphone, reinstalled, and bingo. Playing right now!

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 8 Nov 2013, 07:54 am
Another small thing: the displayed bitrate is in bps, it should be kbps I think. 320bps is for subwoofer-addicts :-)
When WAV files are played, the bitrate stays @ 0bps.

In between all the small issues I would like to say that this new interface has every potential to be way better than the previous one. Keep up the good work Chris! thanks! :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 8 Nov 2013, 01:06 pm
Hi Chris,

The web UI doesn't seem to be looking in the right place for album art. Maybe in this early build, it's just looking into a static location you had entered earlier on? Or perhaps I've done something incorrectly?

The image shows the path where the UI expected to see an image, but seeing as how I don't have a 192.168.1.x IP address at home, I don't think it would have come from me.

Cheers,
Gary
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=89620)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 9 Nov 2013, 10:05 am
nightly build S20020131108 gives me an  error (tried download 3 times)

/media/-1/bdp_firmware/
Filsystem Check Failed: md5 value missingFilsystem Check Failed: md5 value missing

 :scratch:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Nov 2013, 10:32 am
HI Chris,

regarding my earlier remarks/question saving the firmware upgrade on a local harddrive, as opposed to on a drive attached to the BDP, or even the internal flashcard: this is why:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=89701)

USB attached drive dirty all over with non music files....  please make it an option.

last build makes it find on the Mac again, and as bryston-bdp-1.local again, Great! Still, services are not implemented ? I can't enable Samba, or DSD over USB. Or, and that;s a big wish MPD 17.x.
keep it up!

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Nov 2013, 11:11 am
HI Chris,

Might I point to an interface-issue: in the various Manic Moose pages, you made the navigation buttons on the top far left and far right. Navigating the software, I find myself switching form left to right, back and forth again. Especially when navigating with a mousepad, this feels kinda awkward, and heavy on the fingers... Not to mention on the eye, where a bit too much effort is necessary to find your way in the interface.
Please have a look at that?

And: where did you hide the Playlists? Not only can't i find the build or save commands, but my previous carefully managed playlists are gone all together.... Luckily I backed them up, but where to put them in the new Root?

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Nov 2013, 12:13 pm
HI Chris, all,

2 more for the weekend:

-latest build changed my Last.fm login to bryston. Not able to change it.

- I accidentally found out airplay found the bdp  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=89702)

But how to make it play on the BDP?

Cheers!
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Nov 2013, 02:38 pm
nightly build S20020131108 gives me an  error (tried download 3 times)

/media/-1/bdp_firmware/
Filsystem Check Failed: md5 value missingFilsystem Check Failed: md5 value missing

 :scratch:

Hi Wim,

It appears as though it's unable to find the drive it was downloaded to?  Have you tried downloading the firmware to the internal storage (/mnt/img)?

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Nov 2013, 05:02 pm
HI Chris,

regarding my earlier remarks/question saving the firmware upgrade on a local harddrive, as opposed to on a drive attached to the BDP, or even the internal flashcard: this is why:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=89701)

USB attached drive dirty all over with non music files....  please make it an option.

last build makes it find on the Mac again, and as bryston-bdp-1.local again, Great! Still, services are not implemented ? I can't enable Samba, or DSD over USB. Or, and that;s a big wish MPD 17.x.
keep it up!

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

Ok I see now, those files are created during the repartitioning of the internal compact flash drive and are no longer needed once the BDP is up and running with Manic Moose.  Firmware that is downloaded using manic mooses web interface after the fact will go into a folder labeled "bdp_firmware".

Although you can't restart samba or change the password, it is enabled by default.  DSD over USB is automated however it's likely that you dac isn't in the list of known dsd capable dac list which consists of any dac with the letters "dsd" in it's name and the one other listed in the README.  If you send me a copy of your mpd config file (mount the root samba share, /etc/mpd.conf) or place the BDP into service mode and send me the service number I can log into it and get the detected name.  Once I have the name I can add it to the list, or you can wait until I get that far with the development of the web interface.

I havn't gotten to development of the playlist page yet, your existing playlists should be safe though and appear once we have gotten that far in the development.

AirPlay still needs quite a bit of work, it's based on shairplay, however because we have multiple playback program running they tend to interfere with each other.  So a script is going to need to be created to monitor whether or not shairplay can open the sound device, if not to then free up said output device.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Nov 2013, 05:10 pm
HI Chris,

SO I can delete all of the below:
.apdisk
.Temporaryitems
boot (folder)
filesystem.squashfs
img
initrd1.img
vmlinuz1


just to be 100% certain i won't cause my bdp to disfunction....

Cheers,
Marius


Hi Marius,

Ok I see now, those files are created during the repartitioning of the internal compact flash drive and are no longer needed once the BDP is up and running with Manic Moose.  Firmware that is downloaded using manic mooses web interface after the fact will go into a folder labeled "bdp_firmware".

Although you can't restart samba or change the password, it is enabled by default.  DSD over USB is automated however it's likely that you dac isn't in the list of known dsd capable dac list which consists of any dac with the letters "dsd" in it's name and the one other listed in the README.  If you send me a copy of your mpd config file (mount the root samba share, /etc/mpd.conf) or place the BDP into service mode and send me the service number I can log into it and get the detected name.  Once I have the name I can add it to the list, or you can wait until I get that far with the development of the web interface.

I havn't gotten to development of the playlist page yet, your existing playlists should be safe though and appear once we have gotten that far in the development.

AirPlay still needs quite a bit of work, it's based on shairplay, however because we have multiple playback program running they tend to interfere with each other.  So a script is going to need to be created to monitor whether or not shairplay can open the sound device, if not to then free up said output device.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Nov 2013, 05:17 pm
Hi Marius,

With the exception of the two hidden file (.apdisk and .Temperaryitems), they can be removed.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Nov 2013, 05:25 pm
thanks!
the two hidden files weren't there before, so i suspect the upgrade process to have written them. They must be Mac files though? So it still puzzles me how the BDP caused them to appear... Will doe e blue harvest cleanup, and a Tinker tool System check.

Marius

Hi Marius,

With the exception of the two hidden file (.apdisk and .Temperaryitems), they can be removed.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Nov 2013, 05:33 pm
Hi Marius,

Although you can't restart samba or change the password, it is enabled by default. 
working now, never mind me asking.


DSD over USB is automated however it's likely that you dac isn't in the list of known dsd capable dac list which consists of any dac with the letters "dsd" in it's name and the one other listed in the README.
I have the BDA1.... thought it was capable of DSD?

  If you send me a copy of your mpd config file (mount the root samba share, /etc/mpd.conf) or place the BDP into service mode and send me the service number I can log into it and get the detected name.  Once I have the name I can add it to the list, or you can wait until I get that far with the development of the web interface.

Guess i'll wait for your answer whether the BDA1 is capable or not.

I havn't gotten to development of the playlist page yet, your existing playlists should be safe though and appear once we have gotten that far in the development.

ok, there's no place in the root I can drop the files, to have them appear in the interface then?


AirPlay still needs quite a bit of work, it's based on shairplay, however because we have multiple playback program running they tend to interfere with each other.  So a script is going to need to be created to monitor whether or not shairplay can open the sound device, if not to then free up said output device.

Ok, again, will wait for you to be ready. Just wanted to let you know it shows in the IOS interface.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 9 Nov 2013, 07:51 pm
Hi Wim,

It appears as though it's unable to find the drive it was downloaded to?  Have you tried downloading the firmware to the internal storage (/mnt/img)?

Cheers
Chris
Yes, this was the exact location I saved it to,...

I gave it another try, now I get the following errors:

/mnt/img/bdp_firmware/S20020131108
9f6ec7a645c03ded3b036f446c6118e4
b046131adc507a7e7253680a7f96a4b6
f7b311458fa9babe881f9a0ed887660e
Filsystem Check Failed: md5 values different
Filsystem Check Check Failed: md5 value different
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Nov 2013, 11:25 pm
Yes, this was the exact location I saved it to,...

I gave it another try, now I get the following errors:

/mnt/img/bdp_firmware/S20020131108
9f6ec7a645c03ded3b036f446c6118e4
b046131adc507a7e7253680a7f96a4b6
f7b311458fa9babe881f9a0ed887660e
Filsystem Check Failed: md5 values different
Filsystem Check Check Failed: md5 value different

Hi Wim,

You seem to be having problems with the upgrade, perhaps something has gone wrong with the manic moose installation; perhaps it might be best to place the BDP into service mode so I can poke around.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Nov 2013, 11:28 pm


Hi Marius,

I may have forgotten to set the path in the mpd.conf file to the correct folder containing playlists.  I'll check it when I get home.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 9 Nov 2013, 11:57 pm
Hi Wim,

You seem to be having problems with the upgrade, perhaps something has gone wrong with the manic moose installation; perhaps it might be best to place the BDP into service mode so I can poke around.

Cheers
Chris

After several tries I got a succesfull installation! :thumb:  I don't have a clue what went wrong ,... :scratch:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Nov 2013, 08:10 am
Great ! Please do and let us know when you've done so.

While you're at the MPD-page, could you please let me know how to:
-enable MPD watch
-change to 17.x
-and change my last.fm password?


Marius.
Hi Marius,

I may have forgotten to set the path in the mpd.conf file to the correct folder containing playlists.  I'll check it when I get home.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 10 Nov 2013, 10:04 pm
A couple of minor things with the upgrade
* 12V trigger effectively disables the front power on/off button.   I would update the text to reflect that...
* When you want the user to restart the BDP, I would just display "please reboot now" or something like that.  I didn't know if the BDP was about to restart or if should have restarted it. I gave it some time before i powered it off.
* There's a lot of your (not mine) personal information left in the cache.   You should clean up the album art, NAS, drives etc.  Disable DLNA, etc, etc... even for a beta. 
* Also it might be useful to provide a way to purge the browser cache after a reboot.   Some sites allow you to append the ?action=purge at the end of URL to do that.   It took a while for versions to update.

And some more notes:
*thanks for providing 'less'... now only if we can push you towards vi as a default editor (emacs is my preference but like nano, unnecessary consumes diskspace)
*The web interface seems frozen in time a lot, not unresponsive, just not updating correctly . the cancel and save are in odd spots too, not sure if it's related to the song/playlist or to the setting operations at hand with the update/browse buttons
**The media view is still showing the daft punk.. is this expected or just need to wait for mpd to finish updating?
*What is launch alert, application updates 1,2,3 ?   
*The .albumdb folder might be better as a hash/md5sum.. which would also save on diskspace... (might model git here). 

The interface seems much faster and can't wait to see the kinks worked out, so kudos there.

Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Nov 2013, 09:42 am
Hi Chris,

In trying to copy to the BDP1 I repeatedly get this error message per file after having to enter my administrator password in Mac Finder, and telling me I havent got the authorization for this command. Which I do have of course ;-)

Any ideas? Copying to any of my other network attached drives works fine.

I must say, i had the password issue before (only the error message is new in Manic Moose) when copying to the BDP1 usb drives. Copying an album gave one error. Now i get the errors per track. Before, most of the time these errors went away trying again, and trying not to copy many files at once to different drives. Seems he BDP can't handle too many requests. Maybe a memory thing?

That said, the current error is reappearing on its own, with no other command going on.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=89899)

Cheers Marius


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 15 Nov 2013, 10:59 am
Hi all,

I am still on the standard firmware, is there any reason as to not to upgrade to Manic Moose....or is worthwhile holding of for x weeks/months until the final version is released..

Tks,

Rich.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Nov 2013, 11:01 am
Hi all,

I am still on the standard firmware, is there any reason as to not to upgrade to Manic Moose....or is worthwhile holding of for x weeks/months until the final version is released..

Tks,

Rich.

Hi

Only update if you want to be involved in beta testing.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: esklar0723 on 15 Nov 2013, 02:31 pm
HI,

I looked at this and it looks promising.

Is it possible to revert back to my previous stable firmware release after having installed Manic Moose?

Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Nov 2013, 04:34 pm
HI,

I looked at this and it looks promising.

Is it possible to revert back to my previous stable firmware release after having installed Manic Moose?

Thanks

Hi

There are detailed instructions in the first post under "how to get the beta" that explains what involved in reverting back to the current stable release of loony loon.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Nov 2013, 04:52 pm
HI Chris,

Is there a place you post the new beta's like before on  http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/firmware.html? I'm not near my BDP at the moment, but more than eager to hear from new editions...

which reminds me: would you consider distant updating, and commanding the BDP?

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Nov 2013, 02:00 am
HI Chris,

Is there a place you post the new beta's like before on  http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/firmware.html? I'm not near my BDP at the moment, but more than eager to hear from new editions...

which reminds me: would you consider distant updating, and commanding the BDP?

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

All the available beta's are made available by way the Advance Firmware Update page outlined in the instructions.  Currently I believe I have only the most recent update posted as the previous versions were causing filesystem corruption during the update process.  Essentially that page is the equivalent to the old loony loon beta page.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Nov 2013, 09:51 am
ok, thanks.

This means it is only readable through the BDP interface, and not remote, like a webpage? Or is the bdp just reading the webpage http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/ which we can't reach with a regular browser?

Marius




Hi Marius,

All the available beta's are made available by way the Advance Firmware Update page outlined in the instructions.  Currently I believe I have only the most recent update posted as the previous versions were causing filesystem corruption during the update process.  Essentially that page is the equivalent to the old loony loon beta page.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Nov 2013, 07:03 am
Hi Marius,

The way it works is the BDP will check this file

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/avail

this file contains a list of firmware revisions on the server

below is an example for one of the versions README, squashfs file and the location of the boot files files

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/S20020131116/README
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/S20020131116/boot
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/S20020131116/filesystem.squashfs

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/bootr1/vmlinuz1
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/bootr1/initrd1.img

Cheers,
Chris

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Nov 2013, 11:41 am
Hi Chris,
Thank you.
Simple enough. A pity its not as informative and user-friendly  as the 'old' http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/firmware.html but i guess things take another way. If it makes updating a push of the button-thing in the end, we're with you.

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

The way it works is the BDP will check this file

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/avail

this file contains a list of firmware revisions on the server

below is an example for one of the versions README, squashfs file and the location of the boot files files

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/S20020131116/README
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/S20020131116/boot
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/S20020131116/filesystem.squashfs

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/bootr1/vmlinuz1
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/bootr1/initrd1.img

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Scala80 on 17 Nov 2013, 01:10 pm
Hello,

i can´t Update to S20020131116.

Any Idea?

/media/SSD_250GB/bdp_firmware/S20020131116
f0bdb498617beea509de2c0dd1ba3159
b046131adc507a7e7253680a7f96a4b6
f7b311458fa9babe881f9a0ed887660e
Filesystem MD5 Passed
Micro Kernel MD5 Passed
Boot Driver MD5 Passed
Filsystem Check Failed CF: md5 values different
Filsystem Check Check Failed CF: md5 value different

Greetings from Munich - Germany

Christian
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Nov 2013, 02:21 pm
HI Jim,

Is this what you mean with the 'personal information left in the cache'?
Keeps popping up in my Manic Moose:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90071)
Never heard of Daft Punk.... my loss or not.
Anyhow, Chris, please why is this showing? Could you clear it up?

Marius

A couple of minor things with the upgrade
* 12V trigger effectively disables the front power on/off button.   I would update the text to reflect that...
* When you want the user to restart the BDP, I would just display "please reboot now" or something like that.  I didn't know if the BDP was about to restart or if should have restarted it. I gave it some time before i powered it off.
* There's a lot of your (not mine) personal information left in the cache.   You should clean up the album art, NAS, drives etc.  Disable DLNA, etc, etc... even for a beta. 
* Also it might be useful to provide a way to purge the browser cache after a reboot.   Some sites allow you to append the ?action=purge at the end of URL to do that.   It took a while for versions to update.

And some more notes:
*thanks for providing 'less'... now only if we can push you towards vi as a default editor (emacs is my preference but like nano, unnecessary consumes diskspace)
*The web interface seems frozen in time a lot, not unresponsive, just not updating correctly . the cancel and save are in odd spots too, not sure if it's related to the song/playlist or to the setting operations at hand with the update/browse buttons
**The media view is still showing the daft punk.. is this expected or just need to wait for mpd to finish updating?
*What is launch alert, application updates 1,2,3 ?   
*The .albumdb folder might be better as a hash/md5sum.. which would also save on diskspace... (might model git here). 

The interface seems much faster and can't wait to see the kinks worked out, so kudos there.

Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Nov 2013, 09:39 pm
Hello,

i can´t Update to S20020131116.

Any Idea?

/media/SSD_250GB/bdp_firmware/S20020131116
f0bdb498617beea509de2c0dd1ba3159
b046131adc507a7e7253680a7f96a4b6
f7b311458fa9babe881f9a0ed887660e
Filesystem MD5 Passed
Micro Kernel MD5 Passed
Boot Driver MD5 Passed
Filsystem Check Failed CF: md5 values different
Filsystem Check Check Failed CF: md5 value different

Greetings from Munich - Germany

Christian

Hi Guys,

If your getting this and are running firmware earlier then S2.00 2013-11-12 then there is likely some volume corruption that needs repairing.  If your handy with Linux at command line you can login via ssh with the login credentials "root" and "bryston".  Then use "fsck -r /dev/sda1", you'll then be prompted that the number of free cluster is incorrect and will be asked if you want fsck to fix (y or 1) the problem,  Once the repair has been completed restart the bdp by issuing "reboot"

If your not comfortable with issuing commands via ssh simply place your bdp into service mode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0nfBG5xDrA

email or private message me the service number

service mode will allow me to remote into the BDP and fix the issue remotely

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Nov 2013, 09:41 pm
Hi Chris,
Thank you.
Simple enough. A pity its not as informative and user-friendly  as the 'old' http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/firmware.html but i guess things take another way. If it makes updating a push of the button-thing in the end, we're with you.

Cheers,
Marius

We will likely eventually implement a web site to allow users to view the firmware revisions from a web site to download the files to usb thumb drive

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Karhu on 20 Nov 2013, 08:26 pm
Chris,
When will the Manic Moose be ready to go into the wild.
Will it auto update my DBP2 when this happens?

Thanks,
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Nov 2013, 02:39 am
Chris,
When will the Manic Moose be ready to go into the wild.
Will it auto update my DBP2 when this happens?

Thanks,

The firmware should be ready by early next year, aiming for a febuary release.  The BDP's existing firmware will inform you of the Manic Moose update when we feel it's ready for general consumption.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Nov 2013, 02:42 am
S2.00 2013-11-20 introduces an airplay feature that I have found works "so so" and dlna/upnp renderer that works rather well.  Both these services can be turned on from the services page found under settings on the dashboard.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 22 Nov 2013, 05:54 pm
Hi Chris, How are you implementing the mixer to switch between airplay and mpd? Is there any sound quality penalty to keeping airplay turned on all the time even when there is no active audio on airplay?

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 22 Nov 2013, 06:02 pm
There is no mixer, otherwise that would compromise the BDP's ability to playback audio files.  Simply when a airplay request is made, Shairplay will attempt to take control of the sound card.  If the sound card is being occupied by another process then the airplay feature won't work. 

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 22 Nov 2013, 06:27 pm
Hi Guys,

If your getting this and are running firmware earlier then S2.00 2013-11-12 then there is likely some volume corruption that needs repairing.  If your handy with Linux at command line you can login via ssh with the login credentials "root" and "bryston".  Then use "fsck -r /dev/sda1", you'll then be prompted that the number of free cluster is incorrect and will be asked if you want fsck to fix (y or 1) the problem,  Once the repair has been completed restart the bdp by issuing "reboot"

If your not comfortable with issuing commands via ssh simply place your bdp into service mode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0nfBG5xDrA

email or private message me the service number

service mode will allow me to remote into the BDP and fix the issue remotely

Cheers,
Chris


Hi Chris,

I have sent you an email regarding this issue.....the BDP is now locked in Error 09 so, cannot activate service mode...

Pse can you assist me....

Thank you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 Nov 2013, 09:50 am
HI Chris,

Please implement the keep alive function asap. the BDP keeps getting back to the DaftPunk page after a longer period of inactivity, and a reboot (which is only possible through the bdp itself, not the software) is the sole relief.

While your at that: the login for lat/fm seems crippled yet. is that correct? It now logs in as bryston, which seems a bit unsatisfactory in the privacy-department. I don't want any activity to be logged at all.... not even as bryston ;-)

in a very short view, I saw a button on the initial page 'Play' with one of the attached drives' name. it disappeared again toe be replaced with the for placeholders for Launch alert model and application update 1-3. it did work. Confused the interface through Manic Moose (Daft Punk back again), but on my Mpod saw all tracks of this 2 TB harddrive...... Better build in some warning.
Is this expected behaviour for now?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90483)


cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Nov 2013, 10:00 pm
HI Chris,

Please implement the keep alive function asap. the BDP keeps getting back to the DaftPunk page after a longer period of inactivity, and a reboot (which is only possible through the bdp itself, not the software) is the sole relief.

While your at that: the login for lat/fm seems crippled yet. is that correct? It now logs in as bryston, which seems a bit unsatisfactory in the privacy-department. I don't want any activity to be logged at all.... not even as bryston ;-)

in a very short view, I saw a button on the initial page 'Play' with one of the attached drives' name. it disappeared again toe be replaced with the for placeholders for Launch alert model and application update 1-3. it did work. Confused the interface through Manic Moose (Daft Punk back again), but on my Mpod saw all tracks of this 2 TB harddrive...... Better build in some warning.
Is this expected behaviour for now?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90483)


cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

I'm not entirely sure what your asking, but i'll try to provide some information.  Currently we are working with web designers who create the HTML and CSS, they fill the page with temp data (ie Daft Punk).  The javascript/ajax/php/etc then replace this temp data with actual data.  Once the web design is done, this temp data will be replaced with more appropriate default values.  last.fm and everything on the MPD page is none functional, currently i am working on the disk information page and this will hoepfully be somewhat functional tonight.  Next i plan on working on the NAS setup and MPD pages, after which i plan on resuming work on the player. 

There are also additional issue's in regards to initial upgrading that seem to be causing havoc (error 09 upon upgrading) with some units that we are also currently working on pinning down.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "keep alive function"?  If your referring to the BDP locking up and replaying the same half second then i guess that answers the following question.

By the way has anyone tried playing back audio over night using manic moose only to find it frozen the following day?  I've had my BDP-2 running for four days straight, looping the same six albums.

The Play <drive name> is a intended addition, the idea is your buddy comes by, you plug in the thumb drive, wait for it to update the database, click the button, it adds the contents to the playlist and starts playing the first song.  The downside is if you have more then a few hundred songs on the drive; the playlist is to large for most devices to handle the large playlist that gets created.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 Nov 2013, 10:17 pm
Ok,  Chris thank you for your info. With the keep alive function, i was referring to the MPD Watch option. It nailed this issue (not only like a skipping cd when left on a internet radio station, but also certain to complete unresponsiveness of the bdp) before, and thought it might not haven been implemented yet.  Would really make our lives easier if you'd flip that in your current roadmap with some priority ;-)

The play function is something i asked you about before, so i am excited it made it to the new interface. Only make it warn the user for playing a complete harddrive (as mentioned, it started to play 2 Tb drive and taking over the machine, rendering it unresponsive to any input, other then a hard reboot.) u say it has to update the database, but wasnt  the idea it wouldn't have to? Just insert and play? Even make it browsable instead of updating the complete drive first?

cheers, and thanks, keep up the good work!
Marius

o, and please, the last.fm thing. Are we logged in as bryston there, or is this also nonfunctional. Otherwise, please fix that also?
the picture i posted was for fun, only to show the bdp starting playing my Klassiek drive, and showing your Daft Punk fillers...

Hi Marius,

I'm not entirely sure what your asking, but i'll try to provide some information.  Currently we are working with web designers who create the HTML and CSS, they fill the page with temp data (ie Daft Punk).  The javascript/ajax/php/etc then replace this temp data with actual data.  Once the web design is done, this temp data will be replaced with more appropriate default values.  last.fm and everything on the MPD page is none functional, currently i am working on the disk information page and this will hoepfully be somewhat functional tonight.  Next i plan on working on the NAS setup and MPD pages, after which i plan on resuming work on the player. 

There are also additional issue's in regards to initial upgrading that seem to be causing havoc (error 09 upon upgrading) with some units that we are also currently working on pinning down.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "keep alive function"?  If your referring to the BDP locking up and replaying the same half second then i guess that answers the following question.

By the way has anyone tried playing back audio over night using manic moose only to find it frozen the following day?  I've had my BDP-2 running for four days straight, looping the same six albums.

The Play <drive name> is a intended addition, the idea is your buddy comes by, you plug in the thumb drive, wait for it to update the database, click the button, it adds the contents to the playlist and starts playing the first song.  The downside is if you have more then a few hundred songs on the drive; the playlist is to large for most devices to handle the large playlist that gets created.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Nov 2013, 02:45 am
Hi Marius,

Last.fm is completely non functional, all your seeing is filler.  I do intend on creating a web front end for mplayer some time down the road.  This would give people the ability to play back audio files without the need to load them into MPD first.  The downsides would be you'd need to use our web GUI to playback audio files.  For those who are unaware of what mplayer is, it's a program capable of playing back almost any kind of media file.

I'm nearly done disk information, hopefully I'll be done tomorrow and will get started on the MPD page.  Until then you should be able to use the services page to stop MPD and start it backup without restarting the unit.

Cheers,
Chrs
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Nov 2013, 07:46 am
HI Chris,

That's just the thing, when it hangs, Manic Moose shows a different interface. How to stop/start the MPD on services, when it looks like this?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90535)

Np, i'll wait a few days..

Marius

Hi Marius,

Last.fm is completely non functional, all your seeing is filler.  I do intend on creating a web front end for mplayer some time down the road.  This would give people the ability to play back audio files without the need to load them into MPD first.  The downsides would be you'd need to use our web GUI to playback audio files.  For those who are unaware of what mplayer is, it's a program capable of playing back almost any kind of media file.

I'm nearly done disk information, hopefully I'll be done tomorrow and will get started on the MPD page.  Until then you should be able to use the services page to stop MPD and start it backup without restarting the unit.

Cheers,
Chrs
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Nov 2013, 08:34 am
Hi Chris,

updating to firmware 26 give this, it won't install:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90536)

What to do? Tried dl'ing it again, to no avail. There's no vmlinuz in this download? the progress bar stays empty on it.

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Nov 2013, 01:52 pm
Hi Marius,

Log in via ssh and enter the following commands:

fsck.vfat -r /dev/sda1
reboot

If you could email or post the results of fsck, that would be fantastic.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Nov 2013, 02:04 pm
mail sent, with all kinds of ip-spoof warnings.....
please help!

Marius

Hi Marius,

Log in via ssh and enter the following commands:

fsck.vfat -r /dev/sda1
reboot

If you could email or post the results of fsck, that would be fantastic.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Nov 2013, 02:50 pm
that was the trick, i forgot to ssh as root...


here goes:

root@192.168.0.174's password:
Linux bryston-bdp-1 3.2.0-4-486 #1 Debian 3.2.41-2 i586
                                Bryston BDP-1
                           Powered By Debian Linux
root@bryston-bdp-1:~# fsck.vfat -r /dev/sda1
fsck.fat 3.0.23 (2013-10-15)
Reclaimed 215938 unused clusters (884482048 bytes).
Free cluster summary wrong (0 vs. really 215938)
Perform changes ? (y/n) y
/dev/sda1: 52 files, 283281/499219 clusters
root@bryston-bdp-1:~# reboot



cheers,

Marius

Hi Marius,

Log in via ssh and enter the following commands:

fsck.vfat -r /dev/sda1
reboot

If you could email or post the results of fsck, that would be fantastic.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Nov 2013, 04:08 pm
that was the trick, i forgot to ssh as root...


here goes:

root@192.168.0.174's password:
Linux bryston-bdp-1 3.2.0-4-486 #1 Debian 3.2.41-2 i586
                                Bryston BDP-1
                           Powered By Debian Linux
root@bryston-bdp-1:~# fsck.vfat -r /dev/sda1
fsck.fat 3.0.23 (2013-10-15)
Reclaimed 215938 unused clusters (884482048 bytes).
Free cluster summary wrong (0 vs. really 215938)
Perform changes ? (y/n) y
/dev/sda1: 52 files, 283281/499219 clusters
root@bryston-bdp-1:~# reboot



cheers,

Marius

Hi Marius,

You should be able to update the firmware now, thanks for posting the results.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Nov 2013, 04:31 pm
HI,

I was able yes, it worked (took me a while to realise the updating had finished, cause there's nog progress indicator....) even pressed the install button again, no warning issued ..


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90553)


Still, im not able to browse the bdp in Mac Finder anymore, and ssh 'ing  gives me the extreme warnings i mailed you before, when using root@bryston-bdp-1.local , and gives this, when using the root@ip.adress.x.x


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90552)

Hi Marius,

You should be able to update the firmware now, thanks for posting the results.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Nov 2013, 05:14 pm
a complete reboot, on the Mac this time, did the trick! we're rolling again.

cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Nov 2013, 09:32 pm
Chris,

When you get to it, check the way Manic Moose displays the playlist please?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90566)

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 28 Nov 2013, 09:32 pm
HI Chris,

Where's the update button gone? Updating the library that is, not the firmware?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Nov 2013, 02:22 am
Hi Marius,

In the upper left corner you should see three buttons next to each other

Update/Clear/Consume

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Nov 2013, 08:41 am
Right , of course  :duh:
Missed that. Didn't get any visual feedback it was actually updating. You could fix that? It worked though :thumb:
Thanks....
Marius

Hi Marius,

In the upper left corner you should see three buttons next to each other

Update/Clear/Consume

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Nov 2013, 01:43 pm
Right , of course  :duh:
Missed that. Didn't get any visual feedback it was actually updating. You could fix that? It worked though :thumb:
Thanks....
Marius

Hi Marius,

For the most part everything that has been developed hasn't been thoroughly tested so there are bound to be something not working quite right.  Not to mention with so much development going on some thing that work now may break with a future release, one of the reasons I designed the "advanced" update page to allow users to roll back to previous versions.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Nov 2013, 05:30 pm
Got it Chris, all the more fun to test those upgrades. Hit the next one on us volunteers.

Cheers to you,
Marius

Hi Marius,

For the most part everything that has been developed hasn't been thoroughly tested so there are bound to be something not working quite right.  Not to mention with so much development going on some thing that work now may break with a future release, one of the reasons I designed the "advanced" update page to allow users to roll back to previous versions.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Nov 2013, 11:24 pm
So you responded promptly with the latest build! Great, more fun to explore. I noticed you updated Mpd to 17.5. There's been a lot of development lately at mpd, any reason not to follow suit? They're quite a bit ahead: http://www.musicpd.org

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Nov 2013, 05:37 am
Hi Marius,

Thanks for pointing that out, simply put 0.17.5 was the latest version when i had originally compiled the new version of MPD back in August.  Since then i have been focusing on the web interface, dlna renderer and the airplay feature.  I will look into upgrading 0.17.5 to 0.17.6 and building 0.18.5 package.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Nov 2013, 10:02 am
Thank you Chris,

Things are getting better and better. On the MPD page you said settings are done now, but when i select MPD Watch and Apply, Im thrown back to MPD version 15.2 and bryston appears again on the last.fm login page...? Those login credentials still don't stick btw. Something's not right.

And, Shairplay: I seem to be able to select it on clients machines, but, nothing happens on the BDP side, and, sometimes i have to disable shairply altogether to be able to play anything again. That is to say, have the bdp make any sound. It seems to play alright, all progress bars are moving, but no music is played. Unselecting shairply then makes it work again.


Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: lwschwartz on 1 Dec 2013, 01:24 pm
Hi Chris,

I tried to upgrade to Manic Moose.  It failed several times.  I have pasted the errors below.  It is very possible that my internet connection is not the best.  I have to use Verizon wireless internet because I won't get a land based internet connection until the FCC starts making the payments to the carriers that were promised to them some years ago.  Unfortunately, downloads can fail checksum because of the connection.  So, is there a link to the bin file I need so I can download it at Starbucks onto a USB drive and update the BDP-2 from there?

Any idea why the USB out to the DAC would suddenly stop working, and unable to get it working, after a month of working fine.  Happens under the Looney Loons release.

Thanks, Larry
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: lwschwartz on 1 Dec 2013, 01:25 pm
Update Started - 2013/12/1-5:52:42
Downloading New Firmware (this may take awhile)- 2013/12/1-5:52:42
00%. 01%. 02%. 03%. 04%. 05%. 06%. 07%. 08%. 09%. 10%. 11%. 12%. 13%. 14%. 15%. 16%. 17%. 18%. 19%. 20%. 21%. 22%. 23%. 24%. 25%. 26%. 27%. 28%. 29%. 30%. 31%. 32%. 33%. 34%. 35%. 36%. 37%. 38%. 39%. 40%. 41%. 42%. 43%. 44%. 45%. 46%. 47%. 48%. 49%. 50%. 51%. 52%. 53%. 54%. 55%. 56%. 57%. 58%. 59%. 60%. 61%. 62%. 63%. 64%. 65%. 66%. 67%. 68%. 69%. 70%. 71%. 72%. 73%. 74%. 75%. 76%. 77%. 78%. 79%. 80%. 81%. 82%. 83%. 84%. 85%. 86%. 87%. 88%. 89%. 90%. 91%. 92%. 93%. 94%. 95%. 96%. 97%. 98%. 99%.
Checking Firmware Integrity - 2013/12/1-6:3:53
95a6c7b6fed926a573607ed9f4deff41 /live/image/live/filesystem.new - 2013/12/1-6:3:56
Upgrade Failed:filesystem, 2 - 2013/12/1-6:3:56
F
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Dec 2013, 12:04 am
Thank you Chris,

Things are getting better and better. On the MPD page you said settings are done now, but when i select MPD Watch and Apply, Im thrown back to MPD version 15.2 and bryston appears again on the last.fm login page...? Those login credentials still don't stick btw. Something's not right.

And, Shairplay: I seem to be able to select it on clients machines, but, nothing happens on the BDP side, and, sometimes i have to disable shairply altogether to be able to play anything again. That is to say, have the bdp make any sound. It seems to play alright, all progress bars are moving, but no music is played. Unselecting shairply then makes it work again.


Marius

Hi Marius,

You need to ignore the first two buttons (apple and login) and use the "Apply (click here)" button at the very bottom. The other buttons will be removed in a future update.

In regards to Shairplay, if MPD is using ALSA, then Shairplay won't function and may cause the two programs to fight over the output device.  Shairplay has been reliable as long as it's started while MPD's playlist is cleared.  That's not to say that there may not be something wrong with it.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Dec 2013, 12:09 am
Hi Chris,

I tried to upgrade to Manic Moose.  It failed several times.  I have pasted the errors below.  It is very possible that my internet connection is not the best.  I have to use Verizon wireless internet because I won't get a land based internet connection until the FCC starts making the payments to the carriers that were promised to them some years ago.  Unfortunately, downloads can fail checksum because of the connection.  So, is there a link to the bin file I need so I can download it at Starbucks onto a USB drive and update the BDP-2 from there?

Any idea why the USB out to the DAC would suddenly stop working, and unable to get it working, after a month of working fine.  Happens under the Looney Loons release.

Thanks, Larry

Hi Larry,

Which dac are using and how is the dac being turned on?  Unfortunately we have yet to come up with a reliable method of updating the firmware via USB with the loony loon firmware.  However we could release an image of the manic moose firmware; this would require the removal of the BDP's internal flash drive and a cf card reader.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Dec 2013, 07:45 am
 :scratch: :scratch:
don't have that one... on MPD page I've got: save (upper right), apply (below enable MPD watch), and Apply (this one)(below last.fm). none of them work.

please make a screenshot of that?
Marius

Hi Marius,

You need to ignore the first two buttons (apple and login) and use the "Apply (click here)" button at the very bottom. The other buttons will be removed in a future update.

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Dec 2013, 03:04 pm
Correect, its apply (this one) and will only appear if you havn't click either of the first two.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: lwschwartz on 3 Dec 2013, 02:37 pm
Hi Larry,

Which dac are using and how is the dac being turned on?  Unfortunately we have yet to come up with a reliable method of updating the firmware via USB with the loony loon firmware.  However we could release an image of the manic moose firmware; this would require the removal of the BDP's internal flash drive and a cf card reader.

Cheers
Chris

Hi Chris,

I am using a McIntosh D-100.  The DAC is turned on manually before the BDP-2.  The coax to the DAC works fine but the USB quit working.  To see if the DAC was the problem, I connected a Mac Mini to it and a VortexBox to it and both could see the DAC and play to it.  The BDP-2 sounded better through the USB than it does through the coax and better than either the Mac Mini or VortexBox so I would like to get it working again.

I have a cf card reader that I have used for moving camera images to my Mac Pro.

Thanks,
Larry
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 Dec 2013, 04:33 pm
Hi Chris,

I am using a McIntosh D-100.  The DAC is turned on manually before the BDP-2.  The coax to the DAC works fine but the USB quit working.  To see if the DAC was the problem, I connected a Mac Mini to it and a VortexBox to it and both could see the DAC and play to it.  The BDP-2 sounded better through the USB than it does through the coax and better than either the Mac Mini or VortexBox so I would like to get it working again.

I have a cf card reader that I have used for moving camera images to my Mac Pro.

Thanks,
Larry

Hi Larry,

could you place the BDP into service mode and email me the service number, this will allow me to remote into the BDP and see why it isn't seeing the USB output to your macintosh D100 dac.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: lwschwartz on 4 Dec 2013, 03:24 pm
Hi Chris,

I am not sure how to put it into service mode.  None the less, I reset the unit and now have it working.  Do you see any reason that I can't use the other SATA port on the motherboard for a second SSD rather than an ESATA?  It is easier for me to copy my FLAC files to the SSD on my computer and then install it into the BDP-2 than keep up with external drives.

Thank you for your willingness to help.  The new Manic Moose release looks like a major improvement over Looney Loons.  Keep up the good work.

Thanks,
Larry
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 5 Dec 2013, 01:21 am
Hi Chris,

Really glad to see that you added NAS support today. Thanks! If I may share a few observations and suggestions:
Thanks for the continued hard work.
-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Dec 2013, 02:41 am
Hi Chris,

I am not sure how to put it into service mode.  None the less, I reset the unit and now have it working.  Do you see any reason that I can't use the other SATA port on the motherboard for a second SSD rather than an ESATA?  It is easier for me to copy my FLAC files to the SSD on my computer and then install it into the BDP-2 than keep up with external drives.

Thank you for your willingness to help.  The new Manic Moose release looks like a major improvement over Looney Loons.  Keep up the good work.

Thanks,
Larry

Hi Larry,

The only problem with installing a second internal drive would be acquiring a power cable and mounting the drive.  I'm sure you could find the 4pin mini molex to sata power connector online, I just don't know how common it would be or if your handy with a soldering iron you could make one easily enough. As far as the lack of securing the drive, personally I would just tape the bottom of the second drive to the top of the existing drive, it works surprisingly well with SSD's.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Dec 2013, 02:47 am
Hi Chris,

Really glad to see that you added NAS support today. Thanks! If I may share a few observations and suggestions:
  • I have two drives attached to one computer that is my make-shift NAS. Adding the first drive worked great, but when trying to add the 2nd drive, the host computer showed two shares per drive: one for AFP and one for SMB, none of the 4 worked I received an error stating that the name of the share did not exist. I rebooted the BDP after the first drive finished indexing, and the computer showed up once as it had the first time. I will try and duplicate the error and give you the error report tomorrow.
  • Having the entry fields in between the home and next buttons be horizontal instead of vertical limits the number of legible characters. I recommend stacking the fields vertically and increasing the width of them.
  • Unrelated to the NAS function, I wish a method existed in the new web UI to remove and reorder tracks in the playlist. I don't think simply being able to clear the playlist and start over is sufficient.
Thanks for the continued hard work.
-Gary

Hi Gary,

If your using a Mac to host the shares, well there are problems with Mac OS X 10.7 and newer.  If this is the case try running a program called smbup, available from macupdate.com.  Although AFP shares are listed, they do not work as of yet, I hope to have that functioning sometime next week.

In regards to the the current playlist, I agree; it's also a feature that was in loony loon.  I hope to spend the months of January and February refining the new media player.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: SHV on 5 Dec 2013, 04:41 am
Something like this?

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?seq=1&format=2&p_id=7642&CAWELAID=1329454717&catargetid=320013720000010931&cadevice=c&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CL-dqo6imLsCFaxr7AodMW8AKg
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 5 Dec 2013, 07:36 am
HI Chris,

I share Gary's thoughts on the Nas interface: I can;t read the buttons, so don;t know what to do in fact. I tried to enter the credentials, but nothing happened. Can we select separate folders on a share already? What to enter in the Share-field. An actual folder on the share, or the virtual name one wants to see in the interface.

It might be nice if you'd hide the password.

Gary mentions playlists, which reminds me: where are the playlists? I can't find any of my previously made lists. I do see them in Mpod/Mpad so the must be there, I can even see them in Finder  in Root display. but not in Manic Moose.

And then this happened, What to do?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90887)

one other thing: i clicked the scratch button to select the drive for the album database, like before. Still, not database is being built, but i do see a file called .bdp_scratch on the selected drive. Wasn't there before i believe. Is this expected behaviour? And how to fix the album database....

Cheers,
Marius


Hi Gary,

If your using a Mac to host the shares, well there are problems with Mac OS X 10.7 and newer.  If this is the case try running a program called smbup, available from macupdate.com.  Although AFP shares are listed, they do not work as of yet, I hope to have that functioning sometime next week.

In regards to the the current playlist, I agree; it's also a feature that was in loony loon.  I hope to spend the months of January and February refining the new media player.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Dec 2013, 02:11 pm
Something like this?

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?seq=1&format=2&p_id=7642&CAWELAID=1329454717&catargetid=320013720000010931&cadevice=c&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CL-dqo6imLsCFaxr7AodMW8AKg

That's should work
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Dec 2013, 02:19 pm
HI Chris,

I share Gary's thoughts on the Nas interface: I can;t read the buttons, so don;t know what to do in fact. I tried to enter the credentials, but nothing happened. Can we select separate folders on a share already? What to enter in the Share-field. An actual folder on the share, or the virtual name one wants to see in the interface.

It might be nice if you'd hide the password.

Gary mentions playlists, which reminds me: where are the playlists? I can't find any of my previously made lists. I do see them in Mpod/Mpad so the must be there, I can even see them in Finder  in Root display. but not in Manic Moose.

And then this happened, What to do?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90887)

one other thing: i clicked the scratch button to select the drive for the album database, like before. Still, not database is being built, but i do see a file called .bdp_scratch on the selected drive. Wasn't there before i believe. Is this expected behaviour? And how to fix the album database....

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

The NAS setup interface is still in early development and has yet to be settled.  One of the current problems in loony loon is that it's unable to interpret the list of shares returned from some NAS devices.  The idea of having the text boxes for each piece of information is to allow the end user to enter and change any variable before the share is added.  Finally the password is kept in the clear to prevent accidental incorrect passwords from causing problems.

I'm not sure why your getting that error message, I'll have to take a look at it when I get back to work next week.  The new method for identifying the scratch drive is a file on the drive with the file name .bdp_scratch.  This may change as I have yet to test how reliable this method will be.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 5 Dec 2013, 02:57 pm
Hi Gary,

If your using a Mac to host the shares, well there are problems with Mac OS X 10.7 and newer.  If this is the case try running a program called smbup, available from macupdate.com.  Although AFP shares are listed, they do not work as of yet, I hope to have that functioning sometime next week.

In regards to the the current playlist, I agree; it's also a feature that was in loony loon.  I hope to spend the months of January and February refining the new media player.

Cheers
Chris

Points well taken. I'll check out smbup. I'm using a 1st gen intel mac mini running 10.6.8 which seems to behave nicely with SMB shares otherwise. I tried running freenas on it, but my bios won't boot from USB!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 5 Dec 2013, 06:30 pm
H chris,

after updating to the latest version, this is what I get on the BDP's display:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90894)

My BDp won't move, or play, hard and soft reboot. Plug and unplug.....
checked again, rebooted by unplugging, with and without drives attached. No response, To buttons and/or Mpod/Mpad. Nothing in Mac's finder. The update sure broke things this time  :cry: :cry: :cry:

Chris, please, what to do?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Dec 2013, 03:49 am
H chris,

after updating to the latest version, this is what I get on the BDP's display:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90894)

My BDp won't move, or play, hard and soft reboot. Plug and unplug.....
checked again, rebooted by unplugging, with and without drives attached. No response, To buttons and/or Mpod/Mpad. Nothing in Mac's finder. The update sure broke things this time  :cry: :cry: :cry:

Chris, please, what to do?

Marius

Hi Marius,

Does the BDA lock about thirty seconds before the error 09 message and then loses lock?  Or no lock from power on to error 09?

Either way you'll need to reflash the cf card using the instructions in the PDF file posted under how to get manic moose.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Dec 2013, 07:44 am
Hi Chris ,

It boots, displays Initializing, with the accompanying progress dots, and then
 locks. I tried pushing buttons, no effect.

Could I also try an older flashcard I have in an other Bdp motherboard?
I am on a Mac, instructions are Windows only.... Any suggestions to a good Mac app? Maybe diskutily can do this too?

Important: What caused this error 09, and even more so; what will prevent this from happening again, when upgrading the firmware again?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 6 Dec 2013, 06:49 pm
I'm having exactly the same problem !!!  Also after the latest firmware update .....1204

Error 09 


UPDATE: I reloaded the  LoonyLoon but it gives me the same error 09 !

Looks like the update bricked my BDP1,....   :nono:

UPDATE 2 : I repeated the whole procedure and hey it's working again (on LoonyLoon)  :scratch:
UPDATE 3: the moment I load ManicMoose again (folowing the procedures) It gives me 'error 09' again.  :duh:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Dec 2013, 08:12 pm
Well,

I changed to the older CF card, loaded 1.48 now, and all seems fine again.

Going to load the corrupted cf card with the file Chris provided just in case. Hope to update through the interface of loading .bin files as we're used to ;-)

Then see what happens.

Wim, did you load the latest beta firmware? the one that corrupted to error 09 in the first place, or is there a newer version already?

And then: the corrupted CF card has 2 partitions: No Name and User. Where to write the new image to? Disk Utility on the Mac is somewhat different from what Chris describes in his manual with win 32 disk imager.

Diskutiliy gives this unfortunately:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90930)

because of this:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90934)


Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 6 Dec 2013, 09:52 pm
Marius,

I'm still busy trying to get the thing operational again. I will first try the ManicMoose firmware that was actually working (latest but one) but that does not give me acces to the 'advanced page' anymore,....
Now I have a kind of non-opertional demo-version somehow. I loaded version 1129 but it is not working! looks like I will have to start all over again and load loony lone again. Maybe I'll leave it at that for the time being. The 'beta'-factor of Manic Moose is a little to big to be comfortable.

I don't have (and don't want) any experience with Mac OS, I'm using Windows 8. So far Chris procedures are fine, but there is definitly something wrong with beta 1204!
I had to connect with SSH on version 1129 to correct for some things (just followed chris' procedure)

UPDATE: Now I have  version 1204 on the bdp1, without error 09. But the interface looks like it is is nothing more than a non-functional demo version.
I also can't play any files on the attached USB drive and most certainly not on the NAS drives. Even using the local buttons I'm not able to get something playing

Wim



UPDATE2  Error 09 is back again !

I'll load stable release LoonyLoon again and stay with that. Manic Moose is somehow corrupted,....
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 7 Dec 2013, 02:48 am
I've been running 1204 for the last two days on my BDP-2 without issue. I wonder if it's somehow hardware related to the BDP-1. Is there a table of error code references?

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 7 Dec 2013, 09:02 am
I also had this error and once cleared couldn't play any tunes, so reverted back to the old firmware  - may try again in the future when more stable or upon release some time next year.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Dec 2013, 09:10 am
Back to Loony Loon S1.73 2013-07-02 again,

pff. took some, but finally got it working again. Even managed to re-image the corrupted Cf card on a desolate windows machine in the household....
All I can say is, have a spare cf card with an appropriate working version of the firmware at hand before upgrading to this beta-cycle, so all you have to do is flip those cards just in case. Then you have the ease to try fixing your corrupted card, while playing songs on your BDP...

Chris, any thoughts on what went wrong with the latest instalment?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Dec 2013, 03:24 pm
I'm having exactly the same problem !!!  Also after the latest firmware update .....1204

Error 09 


UPDATE: I reloaded the  LoonyLoon but it gives me the same error 09 !

Looks like the update bricked my BDP1,....   :nono:

UPDATE 2 : I repeated the whole procedure and hey it's working again (on LoonyLoon)  :scratch:
UPDATE 3: the moment I load ManicMoose again (folowing the procedures) It gives me 'error 09' again.  :duh:

Did the DAC still get lock just before the error 09 appears?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Dec 2013, 03:25 pm
Well,

I changed to the older CF card, loaded 1.48 now, and all seems fine again.

Going to load the corrupted cf card with the file Chris provided just in case. Hope to update through the interface of loading .bin files as we're used to ;-)

Then see what happens.

Wim, did you load the latest beta firmware? the one that corrupted to error 09 in the first place, or is there a newer version already?

And then: the corrupted CF card has 2 partitions: No Name and User. Where to write the new image to? Disk Utility on the Mac is somewhat different from what Chris describes in his manual with win 32 disk imager.

Diskutiliy gives this unfortunately:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90930)

because of this:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90934)


Marius

Hi Marius,

I have posted another document explaining how to use a command line tool to restore the image.  Let me know if it isn't clear.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Dec 2013, 03:27 pm
Marius,

I'm still busy trying to get the thing operational again. I will first try the ManicMoose firmware that was actually working (latest but one) but that does not give me acces to the 'advanced page' anymore,....
Now I have a kind of non-opertional demo-version somehow. I loaded version 1129 but it is not working! looks like I will have to start all over again and load loony lone again. Maybe I'll leave it at that for the time being. The 'beta'-factor of Manic Moose is a little to big to be comfortable.

I don't have (and don't want) any experience with Mac OS, I'm using Windows 8. So far Chris procedures are fine, but there is definitly something wrong with beta 1204!
I had to connect with SSH on version 1129 to correct for some things (just followed chris' procedure)

UPDATE: Now I have  version 1204 on the bdp1, without error 09. But the interface looks like it is is nothing more than a non-functional demo version.
I also can't play any files on the attached USB drive and most certainly not on the NAS drives. Even using the local buttons I'm not able to get something playing

Wim



UPDATE2  Error 09 is back again !

I'll load stable release LoonyLoon again and stay with that. Manic Moose is somehow corrupted,....

Yah, 12 04 introduced a new build of the web interface that has been causing many difficulties, they should be fixed sometime next week.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 7 Dec 2013, 03:31 pm
Did the DAC still get lock just before the error 09 appears?
As far as I remeber correctly, yes!
Now everything is ok again on LoonyLoon, but the moment I load ManicMoose the BDP1 is dead in the water (with or without error 09) even ManicMoose releases that worked before are now nothing more than some sort of interactive screensaver. The BDP1 is not responding to any function and can not play music!
So back to LoonyLoon,... 
But on the possitive side: I can now load firmware to the bdp1 and change flash cards with my eyes closed!  :lol:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Dec 2013, 03:36 pm
I've been running 1204 for the last two days on my BDP-2 without issue. I wonder if it's somehow hardware related to the BDP-1. Is there a table of error code references?

-Gary

Its been fine on both a BDP-1 and BDP-2, but James also had problems with the upgrade.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Dec 2013, 03:43 pm
HI Chris,

I seem to have managed on a windows machine, but where did you post this document? found it! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Mac%20OS%20X.pdf
thanx

Marius

Hi Marius,

I have posted another document explaining how to use a command line tool to restore the image.  Let me know if it isn't clear.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 8 Dec 2013, 12:47 pm
Today I repeated the whole procedure. Upgrading from LoonyLoon to ManicMoose and then upgrading to version 1204.
The final result: error 09 !


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Dec 2013, 07:35 pm
Hi Wim,

Chris should have and has taken 1204 off-line, we're back to 11-19 again for now ; http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/avail

hope to see some development real soon.

Cheers,
Marius

Today I repeated the whole procedure. Upgrading from LoonyLoon to ManicMoose and then upgrading to version 1204.
The final result: error 09 !
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Dec 2013, 03:12 pm
Hi Chris,

Is there no more beta available on http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/avail ?

Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Dec 2013, 04:37 pm
Hi Marius,

Beta's will continue at some point in time after we have resolved file system corruption issues plagued by the Dec 4 firmware.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Dec 2013, 04:47 pm
ok Chris,
thank you. and all the best finding the culprit..
Marius
Hi Marius,

Beta's will continue at some point in time after we have resolved file system corruption issues plagued by the Dec 4 firmware.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Dec 2013, 05:25 am
Hi Guys,

I've posted a december 13 update and have tested it at work on numerous BDP-1/2's as well as at home and haven't been able to repeat the problem which seemed to have been the boot loader and/or filesystem being truncated to zero bytes which seemed to be occurring from the filesystem checks being done during startup and after a firmware upgrade.  This firmware update has replaced the previous manic moose update that is used when using the firmware20131031.bin file used to upgrade from loony loon.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Dec 2013, 11:33 am
so we download it by clicking the original 20131031.bin link in the pdf in the first post of this thread? it is


You did well! Up and running. And no error 09 yet. finger crossed.

Not playing anything yet, as i believe it has to load all tracks afresh into its database? Maybe you could add some feedback about that into the display, as with having to reboot manually after  the "repartitioning part three"  stage. I was waiting for my network to see the gdb to no avail before that...

Cheers!

Marius

Hi Guys,

I've posted a december 13 update and have tested it at work on numerous BDP-1/2's as well as at home and haven't been able to repeat the problem which seemed to have been the boot loader and/or filesystem being truncated to zero bytes which seemed to be occurring from the filesystem checks being done during startup and after a firmware upgrade.  This firmware update has replaced the previous manic moose update that is used when using the firmware20131031.bin file used to upgrade from loony loon.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Dec 2013, 05:21 pm
HI Chris,

Playing through Manic Moose is not as easy as through Mpod yet, but what's most remarkable is that every Media-listing on the right side browser has the last entry first.. :scratch:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=91498)

or


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=91499)

not so on mpod/mpad...


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Dec 2013, 08:09 pm
HI Chris,

Playing through Manic Moose is not as easy as through Mpod yet, but what's most remarkable is that every Media-listing on the right side browser has the last entry first.. :scratch:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=91498)

or


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=91499)

not so on mpod/mpad...


Cheers,
Marius

I'm going to try and Finnish off the first "round" of getting the settings pages done and start over on the media player.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Dec 2013, 09:58 pm
You might also want to check why BDP/ManicMoose lists my Synology Nas on Mpod, without any files on it, doesn't show it in the Nas section of Manic Moose (thus making it impossible to unshare...), and kills all interaction with it in Mac finder....

Please...?

Marius



I'm going to try and Finnish off the first "round" of getting the settings pages done and start over on the media player.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Dec 2013, 09:30 am
a lot of network issues later, I've got things up and running again. Still, manic moose does seem to interfere with the network functionality somehow, never experienced this before. Had to hard-reboot the Synology Nas for it to be released and read again by the network.

Thought to power down the BDP via the Manic Moose button. After a while went to my auditorium where it's situated and this was on it's frontpanel display:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=91537)

Shuting down.... a manual (button) power down was still necessary, thus making the software power down in system settings futile i guess. At least on the bdp1.

and now for something completely different, getting our hopes up on a BDP4!:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=91538)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 16 Dec 2013, 02:46 pm
Hi Chris,

I've tried several times to install the new firmware and keep getting an "Update failed:filesystem" message. In order to troubleshoot, I've reformatted the CF card before reimaging the S1.73 firmware, redownloaded the S1.73 firmware img file, and even the firmware20131030.bin file. Any advice?

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Dec 2013, 04:22 pm
Hi Chris,

I've tried several times to install the new firmware and keep getting an "Update failed:filesystem" message. In order to troubleshoot, I've reformatted the CF card before reimaging the S1.73 firmware, redownloaded the S1.73 firmware img file, and even the firmware20131030.bin file. Any advice?

-Gary

Hi Gary,

I just now added a second link on the manic moose how to instruction file, this like is to an alternative update file that works slightly differently.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 16 Dec 2013, 05:37 pm
Thanks Chris. The alternate bin file allowed me to install Manic Moose, but upon startup, I got Error 09 again.
UPDATE: I replaced the CF card with my backup card that has S1.73 on it. and I still get error 09. I reflashed the backup CF card and still get error 09. Looks like my BDP is bricked as it won't boot from either the new firmware beta or S1.73.

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Dec 2013, 06:50 pm
Gary, try the other possible options causing error 09, check your serial cable at least:

Hi Guys,

The error 09 means that the microprocessor that turns the power supply on/off and controls the buttons/display on the front of the unit hasn't received any communication from the mainboard within two minutes of power being applied.  If you get error 09 you should turn the unit off, then back on and pay attention to your DAC.  If your DAC is receiving signal from the BDP before the error 09 message appears then its likely a loose cable inside your system.  The serial cable in a BDP-1 is a ten pin grey ribbon cable to runs from the front of the unit to the mainboard, just behind the RS232 port on the rear.  A BDP-2 uses a cable made of five individual wires (red, blue, green, black and brown; please keep in mind I'm colour blind so I may have those colours wrong), we have had one occasion that i can recall where one of the wires had  broken from the connector.

If the DAC isn't receiving lock/signal then either the BDP is trying to boot from another source (another drive), doesn't have enough power to POST or the BDP's internal CF card (Kingston or Apacer) is no longer functioning.  To determine which is the case, whether it be the drives/power or the cf card, unplug all the drives from the BDP and try powering it on.  If the error continues you will need to either follow the instructions list below, or if your unable to do so we can make arrangements for repair.

BDP Reimage CF Card on Mac OS X(PDF) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Mac%20OS%20X.pdf)
BDP Reimage CF Card on Windows (PDF) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Windows.pdf)

Cheers,
Chris

Thanks Chris. The alternate bin file allowed me to install Manic Moose, but upon startup, I got Error 09 again.
UPDATE: I replaced the CF card with my backup card that has S1.73 on it. and I still get error 09. I reflashed the backup CF card and still get error 09. Looks like my BDP is bricked as it won't boot from either the new firmware beta or S1.73.

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Dec 2013, 02:27 am
Whoops
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 17 Dec 2013, 10:42 pm
 :thumb:
I have the latest Manic Moose software operational 2013-12-13   :D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 18 Dec 2013, 08:41 pm
Got it, Removing the thumb drive I use as a scratch disk allows the unit to boot from either of my CF cards. Is the BDP trying to boot from the thumb drive? Why would that be the issue? Either way, I'm back up and running.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 18 Dec 2013, 09:50 pm
Something in the web interface is hogging memory. After about 30-45 minutes. It becomes unresponsive, and the associated tab in Chrome is consuming more than 1 gig of RAM. I'll try in Firefox and IE and report back.

UPDATE: Hrm...After 3 hours of running on Firefox, it stands at 276MB - still quite a lot IMHO, but not the horrific amount consumed in Chrome.

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Dec 2013, 01:48 am
You might also want to check why BDP/ManicMoose lists my Synology Nas on Mpod, without any files on it, doesn't show it in the Nas section of Manic Moose (thus making it impossible to unshare...), and kills all interaction with it in Mac finder....

Please...?

Marius

Regarding the NAS ycould you double heck what version of MPD is being used?

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: kevin360 on 19 Dec 2013, 03:42 am
I hadn't done a single firmware update since the official NAS release. Prior to that, Chris resolved a curious (rights) issue with what came in my player, and then opened the door to NAS support (which is why I bought it, but I don't use NAS anymore - Bryston had it right all along :lol:) via the then beta/pre-release.

I moved it up to the most recent release. Everything went without a hitch and the interface was slicker. Overall, I thought it was an improvement to what I already liked. The newest look lured me in, and I decided to try out manic moose. I can play music, but that's pretty much all that works. Did I Cliff Note right past an important detail? Here's a screenshot. I can't change any settings. There were no errors throughout the update process, or since. The only issue was that the two reboots required physical shutdowns - it would display that it was shutting down ad infinitum. I think I may have the loony moose firmware. :lol:

(http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s449/kpcrowley/bdp-oops_zpsc209b839.jpg)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Dec 2013, 06:18 am
I Had that exact behaviour while building the AlbumArt Database, and was one of the reasons that still did not work in Loony Loon . Never made it ever since..

Marius
Something in the web interface is hogging memory. After about 30-45 minutes. It becomes unresponsive, and the associated tab in Chrome is consuming more than 1 gig of RAM. I'll try in Firefox and IE and report back.

UPDATE: Hrm...After 3 hours of running on Firefox, it stands at 276MB - still quite a lot IMHO, but not the horrific amount consumed in Chrome.

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Dec 2013, 06:21 am
Sure,

this is what it shows, don't know if its fake or not of course, maybe ssh (you'd have to tell me the command please..) and be sure?:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=91643)
Regarding the NAS ycould you double heck what version of MPD is being used?

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 20 Dec 2013, 10:24 am
Same here; Running mpd 0.17.5, and also problems with web interface becoming unresponsive and not showing correct info. A problem that I have seen in every Manic Moose release, incluiding the latest. I was hoping the rewritten web-interface would solve this  but this is not the case.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 20 Dec 2013, 10:48 am
Example of playing title not corresponding with what is indicated in the main screen. Indication in left colum is always correct.!

(http://s23.postimg.org/jiuzyhe9z/BDP1_manic_moose_beta.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jiuzyhe9z/)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Bavarian05 on 20 Dec 2013, 10:02 pm
Does the BDP-1 Manic Moose firmware output DSD files through all outputs (BNC, AES and USB) or only through the USB output? Those that are using it to play DSD, which DAC are you using? scratch:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Bavarian05 on 21 Dec 2013, 01:48 am
Does the BDP-1 Manic Moose firmware output DSD files through all outputs (BNC, AES and USB) or only through the USB output? Those that are using it to play DSD, which DAC are you using? scratch:
Anyone??
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 21 Dec 2013, 02:04 am
Anyone??

No, only USB. I believe there is a DRM restriction that prevents DSD from being sent over simplex transmission lines.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Bavarian05 on 21 Dec 2013, 02:20 am
Thank you Gdayton. Bummer. Mytek does DSD over BNC on the Pro model.
I wonder how they get around the DRM restriction.
Are you running DSD with yours and which DAC are you using?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 22 Dec 2013, 01:45 am
I'll read up on it, but it may have something to do with the fact that the Mytek is a pro model, and they may have licensed DSD as such. I don't have any DSD files, and none of my DACs support DSD, so I haven't verified it. The vast majority of files I have are CD's I've ripped myself, and the remainder are my own DVD-A rips and hi-res PCM downloads.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 22 Dec 2013, 09:56 am
 Hi Chris,

Playing Michael Bubles Christmas album through mpod, I got Daft Punk on the front panel display... I actually played them last night, not the dummy in manic moose ;-)
Only after the first track was completed, front panel came along with Michael.

Never happened before, front panel always displays what's happening.

Cheers, Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Dec 2013, 03:19 pm
Hi Chris,

Playing Michael Bubles Christmas album through mpod, I got Daft Punk on the front panel display... I actually played them last night, not the dummy in manic moose ;-)
Only after the first track was completed, front panel came along with Michael.

Never happened before, front panel always displays what's happening.

Cheers, Marius

sounds like something may have crashed, likely either /bin/mpd_client.js or /bin/brystonpanel.php, where the front panel controls still responsive?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Dec 2013, 04:20 pm
couldn't say Chris, it was over before I realised i should have tried...

Took exactly 1 track.
No harm done.

Marius

sounds like something may have crashed, likely either /bin/mpd_client.js or /bin/brystonpanel.php, where the front panel controls still responsive?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: kevin360 on 23 Dec 2013, 04:23 pm
Chris,

My attempt at Manic Moose appeared to go smoothly enough during the installation, but I couldn't do anything with it. I really liked the new design, but all I could do was play files without any other visual feedback than the time display. Even the front of the player gave no indication that a file was playing. I couldn't do anything else. I could open screens, but there was no response with anything on them.

Oh well, the return path to Loony Loon was smoothly paved. Thanks for the clear and simple procedure. The latest release of the old firmware is an improvement over what I had.

Should I have another go at the Manic Moose beta, or should I just wait for the official release? For the upgrade, I detached the USB hard drive (the player would have to rebuild the file list anyway) and attached a freshly formatted 4GB thumb drive for the scratch space. Except for the fact that the shutdowns would not complete without intervention, the upgrade process couldn't have been smoother - or, so it appeared.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Dec 2013, 05:51 pm
Chris,

My attempt at Manic Moose appeared to go smoothly enough during the installation, but I couldn't do anything with it. I really liked the new design, but all I could do was play files without any other visual feedback than the time display. Even the front of the player gave no indication that a file was playing. I couldn't do anything else. I could open screens, but there was no response with anything on them.

Oh well, the return path to Loony Loon was smoothly paved. Thanks for the clear and simple procedure. The latest release of the old firmware is an improvement over what I had.

Should I have another go at the Manic Moose beta, or should I just wait for the official release? For the upgrade, I detached the USB hard drive (the player would have to rebuild the file list anyway) and attached a freshly formatted 4GB thumb drive for the scratch space. Except for the fact that the shutdowns would not complete without intervention, the upgrade process couldn't have been smoother - or, so it appeared.

Hi Kevin,

The manic moose firmware has been in an odd state, we had some very troubling issues a few weeks ago; however that seems to be behind us now (fingers crossed).  Development has slowed to a crawl this past week or two, but should pick up in the next week or two to fix a number of issues with the new media player (max 2 replacement).  We are aiming to have either a stable or near stable release for end of February and I think its a reasonable goal that we can hit.  If your interested just check this thread to see what's going on with manic moose.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 27 Dec 2013, 10:36 pm
Again the same problem with the MD5 check on the latest firmware 2013-12-23,... Had to use the ALT-version on previous frimware as well..


UPDATE: ok again after five downloades,....  :scratch:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 29 Dec 2013, 09:37 pm
Chris,

Seems like i'm not the only one with download issues here, but on the download page can you add a MD5/SHA1 checks at the end and auto-redownload if one fails?    Perhaps a self-signed tarball might be easier to catch failed downloads.

Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Dec 2013, 04:14 pm
md5 check error here...

whats the ALT-version?

Marius

Again the same problem with the MD5 check on the latest firmware 2013-12-23,... Had to use the ALT-version on previous frimware as well..


UPDATE: ok again after five downloades,....  :scratch:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Dec 2013, 04:39 pm
tried it 4 more times. latest iteration gives:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92190)

What it the wise thing to do...
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 30 Dec 2013, 05:47 pm
I'm not sure what is causing it but I had some succes before, erasingvthe whole usb stick, and redownloading the firmware. But sometimes you need to keep on trying for some reason.
But even this release becomes unresponsive after a short while. Luckily, third party client are possible to display the correct info and initiate files playing.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Dec 2013, 04:05 am
tried it 4 more times. latest iteration gives:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92190)

What it the wise thing to do...
Marius

that should be a successful installation of the firmware,
the first line is the location of the upgrade with a full valid path
the next three lines are the three md5 values for the firmware and boot files
the next six lines is the md5 checksum before installing to the cf card and then after installing to the cf card

At which point the bdp should reboot on its own, usually within a minute or two.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Dec 2013, 04:10 am
Hi Chris,

updating to firmware 26 give this, it won't install:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90536)

What to do? Tried dl'ing it again, to no avail. There's no vmlinuz in this download? the progress bar stays empty on it.

Marius

the example below shows that the firmware failed the md5 check of the firmware after it had been copied to the cf card.  This indicates that the downloaded copy of the firmware files are fine, so no need to re-download the firmware.  The failure is likely due to either software issue preventing the BDP's cf card containing the active firmware from becoming writeable or there is some volume corruption, in which case you should send us an email.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 31 Dec 2013, 03:16 pm
Check,
update succeeded.

What about the last line though? Just curious to know what it means.

Marius

that should be a successful installation of the firmware,
the first line is the location of the upgrade with a full valid path
the next three lines are the three md5 values for the firmware and boot files
the next six lines is the md5 checksum before installing to the cf card and then after installing to the cf card

At which point the bdp should reboot on its own, usually within a minute or two.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 31 Dec 2013, 03:22 pm
Hi Chris,

how to know?

I  believe indeed this happens when writing to the root of the cf card, and updates going fine when written on the BDP attached usb drive. But i don't want the updates there. The leave all kind of files behind, and i don't want the music files to be mixed with BDP-firmware residue. Also because i want those USB rives to be read by other machines.
One of the reasons i asked about downloading to the HD of my computer before. Like it was before, quite to everyones satisfaction i believe?

Anyhow, writing to the cf card ought to be successful too, so what is happening, why, and how can we prevent it from corrupting the updating process?

Cheers,

Marius

the example below shows that the firmware failed the md5 check of the firmware after it had been copied to the cf card.  This indicates that the downloaded copy of the firmware files are fine, so no need to re-download the firmware.  The failure is likely due to either software issue preventing the BDP's cf card containing the active firmware from becoming writeable or there is some volume corruption, in which case you should send us an email.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Dec 2013, 04:43 pm
Check,
update succeeded.

What about the last line though? Just curious to know what it means.

Marius

Hi Marius,

the last line is produced by the sync command, it ensures that all writes to the cf card are final before doing a filesystem check, if something is found in the filesystem check it would be printed after the sync the command.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Dec 2013, 04:51 pm
Hi Chris,

how to know?

I  believe indeed this happens when writing to the root of the cf card, and updates going fine when written on the BDP attached usb drive. But i don't want the updates there. The leave all kind of files behind, and i don't want the music files to be mixed with BDP-firmware residue. Also because i want those USB rives to be read by other machines.
One of the reasons i asked about downloading to the HD of my computer before. Like it was before, quite to everyones satisfaction i believe?

Anyhow, writing to the cf card ought to be successful too, so what is happening, why, and how can we prevent it from corrupting the updating process?

Cheers,

Marius

Hi Marius,

We could return to the old method; however keep in mind that doing so would require downloading over 400MB of data each time you wanted to changed firmware revisions, the new method allows you to backup the existing firmwares and the new system should just be keeping everything in a folder labelled "bdp_firmware" which you can move to your PC after an upgrade from the USB drive.  Unless I'm missing something I don't see a problem that can't be fixed by simply using a spare USB thumb drive?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 31 Dec 2013, 06:47 pm
I'm with you here Chris. Would another possibility be creating a partition on the CF Card if someone didn't want to take up an extra USB port or use an extra drive?
My 2 cents...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Dec 2013, 08:41 pm
I'm with you here Chris. Would another possibility be creating a partition on the CF Card if someone didn't want to take up an extra USB port or use an extra drive?
My 2 cents...

Well that is already an option, (/mnt/img) is the internal cf card
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Jan 2014, 07:32 am
You're right Chris, never thought of using a separate usb thumb drive for that  :duh:
I'd love it to have the Bryston Logo printed on it though, to match the Bryston Thumb that accompanied the BPD. My back usb ports are full, and only have one front port free. (still on a bdp1...)

Im not specifically asking to go back to the old days, and ways of doing things, but still, wouldn't it be possible to add the option in the folderselection-dropdownbox, of a folder on one's pc/Mac? Why would that prevent all the options you mention are possible with the new method?

Marius

Hi Marius,

We could return to the old method; however keep in mind that doing so would require downloading over 400MB of data each time you wanted to changed firmware revisions, the new method allows you to backup the existing firmwares and the new system should just be keeping everything in a folder labelled "bdp_firmware" which you can move to your PC after an upgrade from the USB drive.  Unless I'm missing something I don't see a problem that can't be fixed by simply using a spare USB thumb drive?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Jan 2014, 07:34 am
Chris,

In my situation, every time i select that option, which i would prefer definitely, the updating process fails with the errors posted before. would you have instructions how to check whats going wrong?

Marius

Well that is already an option, (/mnt/img) is the internal cf card
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Jan 2014, 06:58 pm
HI Chris,

before i do anything disastrous, what is a folder Boot doing on my usb drive? Can i delete this? And, is it really necessary to write a file .bdp_scratch to the drive you write the .albumDB to? All these system files clutter up the music-file drives, really annoying that is.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92327)

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 Jan 2014, 01:57 am
HI Chris,

before i do anything disastrous, what is a folder Boot doing on my usb drive? Can i delete this? And, is it really necessary to write a file .bdp_scratch to the drive you write the .albumDB to? All these system files clutter up the music-file drives, really annoying that is.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92327)

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

The boot folder is likely from the last time you upgraded from loony loon to manic moose.  The hidden file .bdp_scratch is the new method of saving which drive is designated as the scratch drive and .album_db is a folder left over from loony loon that may or may not be implanted in manic moose; however if it isn't another hidden folder will take its place.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Jan 2014, 12:46 pm
Hi Chris,

Thanks, you explained before why a hidden file is written to the scratch drive. Its just that these files are visible and not always very clear as to why they are there, or what they do. I like to keep the media-drives as clean as possible, i.e. only populated with media files, and system files don't belong there.

Related to that: i followed your suggestion of using a separate usb thumb for the firmware. But now, this is shown in the media-listing in the interface. Of course i can't do anything with it in that setting, but i just shouldn't be there.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92353)

just as the listing on the Usb disk drive with the albumdb and root folder, not looking good. It's too much of a computer interface.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92354)

hope you can rethink your thoughts about this.

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

The boot folder is likely from the last time you upgraded from loony loon to manic moose.  The hidden file .bdp_scratch is the new method of saving which drive is designated as the scratch drive and .album_db is a folder left over from loony loon that may or may not be implanted in manic moose; however if it isn't another hidden folder will take its place.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Jan 2014, 01:03 pm
Hi Chris,

Please allow me some MPD questions:

- Where have playlists gone? I must miss something very obvious, but can't seem to find them anywhere. Thought you were working on this, but since you mentioned them to other posters, i dare to ask once more.

- Do you plan on having an option of play all files, while being in a folder? I know i can push the + sign when I am in a folder one branch higher, but really miss the option of browsing a album(=folder), and clicking the play all, (just like in MPod/Pad), of that particular album(=folder).

- Last album still comes first, ZZtop before Abba, Zelenka before Auber......

- the field with the folder path is not adjusting to deeper folder structures


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92355)

- are you going to make the breadcrumbs clickable? would be so nice if one could just click the desired folder, instead of having to click back a few times.

- related to that, is there a Home button, that leads to the root of all drives?

- what do S and D mean? what can we do with these markings? Must something very obvious, sorry for this one...  :scratch:

- ive noticed one has to click quite exactly on the folder/track names. Could you make that less sensitive? Maybe click the 'cell' one is hovering, instead of the text within that cell?

Cheers, and looking forward to the next iteration!

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 3 Jan 2014, 05:15 pm
Hi Chris,

I noticed the BDP doesn't respond to the BR-2 remote any longer. Will that be added back too?

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 4 Jan 2014, 02:57 am
Thanks for the new build before the weekend. Oddly, when I switched MPD to 0.18.6, the MPD stats were all bogus. Also, the media list on the web UI appeared to be fully populated even with non-media files.

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 5 Jan 2014, 01:22 am
Chris,

Looks like my last update failed, is there a current image I can flash the CF with (vs the old)?   

Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Heckler75 on 5 Jan 2014, 03:47 am
when the new official software is released, can it be upgraded  like previous updated (from bdp1 homepage)   


or   you have to open, up the BDP , to flash the CF (sorry   don't  feel comfortable opening the bdp1)

if  so,  would Bryston, be able to offer   a updated CF  (to do a plug n play) 

Thanks,
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Jan 2014, 07:04 am
when the new official software is released, can it be upgraded  like previous updated (from bdp1 homepage)   


or   you have to open, up the BDP , to flash the CF (sorry   don't  feel comfortable opening the bdp1)

if  so,  would Bryston, be able to offer   a updated CF  (to do a plug n play) 

Thanks,

Updating to the Manic Moose beta is done by way of an update file, much like past updates for the current stable loony loon firmware.  removing and reflashing of the cf card is only needed if something goes south with manic moose update.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Jan 2014, 07:05 am
Chris,

Looks like my last update failed, is there a current image I can flash the CF with (vs the old)?   

Jim

Hi Jim,

In what way did you update fail? did it brick (error 09) the unit or is the update process failing at a certain point?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Heckler75 on 5 Jan 2014, 06:11 pm
Hi Jim,

In what way did you update fail? did it brick (error 09) the unit or is the update process failing at a certain point?

Cheers,
Chris

Chris,

thanks, sorry late to the party,did not read  all threads.  how  close  are you guys to a official release .

Danny
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 5 Jan 2014, 10:00 pm
Upgrade to 0103 went fine indeed.

Don't know if it was listed in the changes, but it solved some of the MPD issues I reported earlier. No more Boot, .hiddenfiles etc in the media section anymore. And selecting a track is much less picky where one clicks. So, thanks Chris!

Even have some Album Art in the playing window, Daft Punk is rather sticky though:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92503)

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 5 Jan 2014, 10:19 pm
Hi Jim,

In what way did you update fail? did it brick (error 09) the unit or is the update process failing at a certain point?

Cheers,
Chris

Hello Chris,

Yeah it was an error 09, I'm not sure on what stage it happened.  About all I can do is speculate, so i won't :) ..   But flashing a 4GB file and then going through the update process took a few beers :)

Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 6 Jan 2014, 03:53 am
Hello Chris,

It seems about after 3 albums, the latest firmware started to glitch the music and the BDP overall just became unresponsive.  I'm not sure what went wrong, but if there's a way for me to enable anything to help further debug this let me know, I will report back if this happens again.

...
Perhaps related or not, but I noticed there's no swap enabled and about 4k of free memory, which I don't remember if this was how it was configured before I reflashed the card. 

I do feel you can reduce the apache StartServers and MinSpare Servers to 1 and a MaxSpareServers to 2 (doubtful it needs to be higher).  Values of 5, 5 and 10 seems to be overkill for just one or two clients and this would save greatly on overhead

Also you might consider just have ntpd run on boot vs as a daemon... and you  might disable exim4, not sure what the need is for that...   

Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Jan 2014, 09:05 pm
HI Chris,

Today i noticed some action in the artist-view of the media. After a long while, Manic Moose tried to show Artists with an icon. I wonder which icon needs to be there? Do we have to make a separate Artist listing? Or will MM select the forst AlbumArt an artist is associated with?

I didn't find most of them yet though....


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Jan 2014, 05:49 pm
HI Chris,

Today i noticed some action in the artist-view of the media. After a long while, Manic Moose tried to show Artists with an icon. I wonder which icon needs to be there? Do we have to make a separate Artist listing? Or will MM select the forst AlbumArt an artist is associated with?

I didn't find most of them yet though....


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

There should be two pages that have been updated, the album view and the artist view.  Currently both pages rely on having a scratch drive selected, which i believe you have done; assuming that is you havn't deleted the .bdp_scratch file from one of the drives.  However only the album view triggers the building of the pages and until the page has been built neither page won't show anything.

When you first load the album view you should get this


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92929)

and

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92930)

The very first time you run this, it can take quite sometime because its also going to create the cover art aswell at the correct resolution.  Eventually you should get this

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92931)

when you click on an album you should get this menu; keep in mind this part is still a little busted and should show up directly underneath the album and not with such a large gap.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92932)




Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Jan 2014, 07:32 am
Hi Chris,

Great, looking forward to that certainly! I didn't delete .bdp-scratch of course. A complete set of new hidden files was written to the root. AlbumDB is not used anymore?

for now, i had the first screen building the db, and when i later returned MM was apparently finished. I clicked artist view and had those little icons on the lefthand side. but most of them were empty, which made me wonder how MM selects artist-icons, since they are not the same as the cover art we so carefully provide in each folder...

is there a way to tell MM has completely finished, and scanned all of the available folders on the drives? previously i never got the database to be built to the end, LL never showing album art correctly, end gave up using it. Hope MM will finally nail it.

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Jan 2014, 03:51 pm
Hi Chris,

Great, looking forward to that certainly! I didn't delete .bdp-scratch of course. A complete set of new hidden files was written to the root. AlbumDB is not used anymore?

for now, i had the first screen building the db, and when i later returned MM was apparently finished. I clicked artist view and had those little icons on the lefthand side. but most of them were empty, which made me wonder how MM selects artist-icons, since they are not the same as the cover art we so carefully provide in each folder...

is there a way to tell MM has completely finished, and scanned all of the available folders on the drives? previously i never got the database to be built to the end, LL never showing album art correctly, end gave up using it. Hope MM will finally nail it.

Marius

currently it goes by the albumartist tag, however the final version will allow you to choose between going by albumartist or artist tags.  The screenshots above where taken from firmware 2013-01-09.  If you enable service mode and email me the service tag i can take a look as to why it isn't working and should be able to fix it in a future release.  I would check that your running the 2013-01-09 firmware first, it sounds like you are but the feature has been in development and included in the firmware since 2013-01-03.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Jan 2014, 03:45 am
Hi Guys,

I'm not sure if to many people or if anyone has noticed, but i have added squeezeslave (squeezebox) feature to the services page.  Logitech has posted a short list of plugins for the server software on this page

http://www.mysqueezebox.com/appgallery

if you create an account it seems to provide a full list of available plugins that should work with the BDP.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 16 Jan 2014, 03:52 am
I think this is great. I think our dealers will find it much easier to integrate this with an automation system now too.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Jan 2014, 11:05 am
HI Chris,

Indeed the least version 2014-01-09 ;-)

artist tag seems to be working, although a great amount of artists ont have art shown... Maybe ill check my cover.jpgs again. Other view render no result, other then the generic view built-in right now.
I guess no service action is required right now then. Thanks anyway.
Marius



currently it goes by the albumartist tag, however the final version will allow you to choose between going by albumartist or artist tags.  The screenshots above where taken from firmware 2013-01-09.  If you enable service mode and email me the service tag i can take a look as to why it isn't working and should be able to fix it in a future release.  I would check that your running the 2013-01-09 firmware first, it sounds like you are but the feature has been in development and included in the firmware since 2013-01-03.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 16 Jan 2014, 03:21 pm
Are you all still seeing items which should usually be placed last in a list showing up first? For instance, a file titled 12-songtitle shows up before 01-songtitle?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jan 2014, 02:05 am
HI Chris,

Indeed the least version 2014-01-09 ;-)

artist tag seems to be working, although a great amount of artists ont have art shown... Maybe ill check my cover.jpgs again. Other view render no result, other then the generic view built-in right now.
I guess no service action is required right now then. Thanks anyway.
Marius

If it's just the default filler data showing the it's not working correctly.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mario09 on 17 Jan 2014, 02:18 am
Hi Chris,

How can I log in mysqueezebox account in Manic Mosse services? I clicked squeezeslave and advanced but nothing happened. Thank you very much for this feature!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mario09 on 17 Jan 2014, 02:23 am
My BDP showed this message when I clicked Squeezeslave:PortAudio error7: No output devices found.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jan 2014, 07:20 pm
Hi Chris,

How can I log in mysqueezebox account in Manic Mosse services? I clicked squeezeslave and advanced but nothing happened. Thank you very much for this feature!

Hi Mario,

There isn't and advance menu, you simply turn the service on.  So far the feature just attaches its self to the first server it see's and gets its credentials from that server.  Also before you start using it you need to make sure that MPD's current playlist is empty.  If your unsure try stopping MPD and then starting squeezeslave.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 17 Jan 2014, 11:03 pm
Great update just in time for the weekend! Really glad to have properly sorted folders now.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Jan 2014, 10:03 am
yesterday I clicked AlbumView, and it started the sequence you described. Only to hang on 6% adding albums to BDP. Had to restart to get my BDP back to respond to anything, restarted the Album building and it still hangs, and is not available to anything on the network. Finder, MPOD, Manic Moose, nothing loads. Have to reboot again i guess.

Could this have to do with a rather large library, and the fact BDP1 only has a limited amount of memory? Diskspace is in available in abundance...
M

If it's just the default filler data showing the it's not working correctly.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Jan 2014, 08:54 pm
Chris,

on updating to version .17, MM shows version 2013.04.09 again..... :scratch:

Is it the update that went wrong, or a version mistake in the latest firmware ? Process report was al checked in order.

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Jan 2014, 08:59 pm
clicking Albumview gives this every time:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93212)

last time it went to 17% building creating Albums, then it hung again. Had to reboot, and start all over...
removed one of my harddrives, to see if that might help. Strange thing is the removed drive still is shown in MM, and i can select tracks  :scratch: :scratch:

not finished yet im afraid.

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Jan 2014, 10:02 pm
yesterday I clicked AlbumView, and it started the sequence you described. Only to hang on 6% adding albums to BDP. Had to restart to get my BDP back to respond to anything, restarted the Album building and it still hangs, and is not available to anything on the network. Finder, MPOD, Manic Moose, nothing loads. Have to reboot again i guess.

Could this have to do with a rather large library, and the fact BDP1 only has a limited amount of memory? Diskspace is in available in abundance...
M

Hi Marius,

Could be the number of files, but unlikely due to how the "database" and files are generated; however I will test it with the larger 38,000 song database at work as it seems to work with my database at home (4,000 songs) with my BDP-1.  One thing I have noticed with the BDP-2 processing my work database is a few times on the second half it pauses for 15 or 20 seconds. 

Perhaps if you ran the command manual after making some minor edits to the program, the BDP should be sharing its filesystem from the root as a share labeled "ROOT".  open the file found at /var/www/mpd/albums.php; line 143 should be empty  and will be just after

Code: [Select]
logDone('Sorting music into Bryston DB:'.round($songsDone/$songCount*100).'%<br>'.$file);
add

Code: [Select]
echo $file."\n";
on line 143 just below the logDone line

then go down to line 242 which i think is also empty and again should be just after a logDone call and add

Code: [Select]
echo $album."\n";
This should tell us where it crashes if its something in the database causing it, then hopefully we can fix.

Once done editing the file open two terminal windows and ssh into the BDP from both of them.  In the first one run the "top" command, you'll use this to monitor resource usage while the albums.php program runs.  in the other terminal window issue "php -f /var/www/albums.php" and your scree should fill up with output and display that last thing it was working on and how much of the memory was being used when it crashes.

Alternatively to all this you can place the BDP into service mode and i can take a look at.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Jan 2014, 10:04 pm
Chris,

on updating to version .17, MM shows version 2013.04.09 again..... :scratch:

Is it the update that went wrong, or a version mistake in the latest firmware ? Process report was al checked in order.

Marius

The date is programmed in by the build script that generates the squashfs file, so human error is no longer an issue.  If an older date is showing it means one of two things, the update failed or the browser is grabbing the date from cache.  I forgot to ask in my last post, how big is your database? as it sounds more like a resource issue then a content issue.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Jan 2014, 10:52 pm
HI Chris,

Was editing the file, but can't save it because of wrong rights to the file.

At the moment, i cannot ssh into , i get a system warning WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! 
and
Host key verification failed.

Let me first update to .18 and see what happens. If all fails, ill chime back in and set service mode....

Marius

Hi Marius,

Could be the number of files, but unlikely due to how the "database" and files are generated; however I will test it with the larger 38,000 song database at work as it seems to work with my database at home (4,000 songs) with my BDP-1.  One thing I have noticed with the BDP-2 processing my work database is a few times on the second half it pauses for 15 or 20 seconds. 

Perhaps if you ran the command manual after making some minor edits to the program, the BDP should be sharing its filesystem from the root as a share labeled "ROOT".  open the file found at /var/www/mpd/albums.php; line 143 should be empty  and will be just after

Code: [Select]
logDone('Sorting music into Bryston DB:'.round($songsDone/$songCount*100).'%<br>'.$file);
add

Code: [Select]
echo $file."\n";
on line 143 just below the logDone line

then go down to line 242 which i think is also empty and again should be just after a logDone call and add

Code: [Select]
echo $album."\n";
This should tell us where it crashes if its something in the database causing it, then hopefully we can fix.

Once done editing the file open two terminal windows and ssh into the BDP from both of them.  In the first one run the "top" command, you'll use this to monitor resource usage while the albums.php program runs.  in the other terminal window issue "php -f /var/www/albums.php" and your scree should fill up with output and display that last thing it was working on and how much of the memory was being used when it crashes.

Alternatively to all this you can place the BDP into service mode and i can take a look at.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Jan 2014, 10:57 pm
Nope, not a cache problem, i always clear that before and after upgrading.

Updating shows the correct feedback, with only the last line reporting an error, like i posted before.

My database consists of two 2TB drives, one with 650 Gb left, the second 936 Gb left. And two thumbs, the one Bryston provided, and one with all firmware updates.\there's a -1 file, should it be there?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93215)

Not sure what you mean with  it being a resource issue rather than a content issue.

Marius


The date is programmed in by the build script that generates the squashfs file, so human error is no longer an issue.  If an older date is showing it means one of two things, the update failed or the browser is grabbing the date from cache.  I forgot to ask in my last post, how big is your database? as it sounds more like a resource issue then a content issue.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Jan 2014, 11:44 pm
maybe this gives a clue on the Album DB issue ?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93216)

weird thing is, Ive upgraded to .18 version successfully so it seems. and MPD is at the latest version 18.6


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93217)
But when i click any command that has to do with the album db or views, im thrown back at


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93218)
and MPd 5.12, and all default fillers are shown, including the wonderful Daft Punk all over the place  :D


Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Heckler75 on 19 Jan 2014, 02:23 am
So is the new firmware ready to install, for a newbie(rookie)  :scratch:

Or still in beta form, no official  release yet.

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jan 2014, 03:46 am
So is the new firmware ready to install, for a newbie(rookie)  :scratch:

Or still in beta form, no official  release yet.

Cheers

Extreme beta!

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Heckler75 on 19 Jan 2014, 04:07 am
Extreme beta!

james

James,

thanks,  so official release coming soon?   

i prefer to wait,  want  it upload thru homepage,   and go smoothly .   not good   as a problem solver :oops:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Jan 2014, 04:14 am
maybe this gives a clue on the Album DB issue ?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93216)


the above is expected, its the message that will be normally displayed followed by the contents of two variables that are compared.  The content of the two variables will not show in the final version.... assuming I remember to remove them that is.

weird thing is, Ive upgraded to .18 version successfully so it seems. and MPD is at the latest version 18.6


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93217)
But when i click any command that has to do with the album db or views, im thrown back at

if your getting the above it simply means the main javascript has crashed, you should check the developer console for error messages.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93218)


and MPd 5.12, and all default fillers are shown, including the wonderful Daft Punk all over the place  :D


Marius

by resource issue i was referring to the BDP running out of memory, processing power or disk space.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Jan 2014, 10:43 am
HI Chris,

Even with the former firmware , we reported a heavy resource burden on the Mac/Safari combination when building the database. It never finished, and never have i seen the album art. So bad, that the Mac became unresponsive. Only in the software version before Bryston started the beta-testing, did MAX manage to show it, remember the album art in the background of Max.

I did not experience my Mac starting to be unresponsive this time. Is the size of the library to be indexed of any influence, and also, is BDP1's  memory large enough to index that large a library? Or should i just stop trying to build it? I know you've made the BDP2 for use with bigger libraries, but always thought it had to do with playing capabilities, not this kind of issues.

Cheers.
Marius

 
the above is expected, its the message that will be normally displayed followed by the contents of two variables that are compared.  The content of the two variables will not show in the final version.... assuming I remember to remove them that is.

if your getting the above it simply means the main javascript has crashed, you should check the developer console for error messages.

by resource issue i was referring to the BDP running out of memory, processing power or disk space.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Jan 2014, 04:11 pm
Hi Marius,

I left some instructions to help troubleshoot this issue in post 211, if you not comfortable following them its fine; but if not could you enable service mode so that i may poke around?

It very well might be the size of the library as I havn't tested anything larger then 68,000 songs on the BDP-2 and havn't tested anything larger then 4,600 songs on a BDP-1.  With that said the software breaks the task down into much smaller sections of a hundred albums at a time.

Your guess is as good as myn at this point.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Jan 2014, 04:18 pm
sure i could, will, but while i could ssh into Root before, im no longer allowed since the remote hoste changes identification.

I even wrote to album.php, but am not allowed to save it, because of the same authorisation-problem. Maybe enable that first?How to proceed with that?

Then ill try and take one Drive away, ensuring the library isn't too large.

If things won't workout still, ill flip into service-mode...

So please, help me get into the terminal mode again, and let me write to Root, which i did before without an issue, creating the Playlists.

Marius

Hi Marius,

I left some instructions to help troubleshoot this issue in post 211, if you not comfortable following them its fine; but if not could you enable service mode so that i may poke around?

It very well might be the size of the library as I havn't tested anything larger then 68,000 songs on the BDP-2 and havn't tested anything larger then 4,600 songs on a BDP-1.  With that said the software breaks the task down into much smaller sections of a hundred albums at a time.

Your guess is as good as myn at this point.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Jan 2014, 06:00 pm
Hi Marius,

the simplest thing to do is remove your trusted hosts file and you computer will create a new empty one.

rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts

should do it.

Cheers,
Chris

sure i could, will, but while i could ssh into Root before, im no longer allowed since the remote hoste changes identification.

I even wrote to album.php, but am not allowed to save it, because of the same authorisation-problem. Maybe enable that first?How to proceed with that?

Then ill try and take one Drive away, ensuring the library isn't too large.

If things won't workout still, ill flip into service-mode...

So please, help me get into the terminal mode again, and let me write to Root, which i did before without an issue, creating the Playlists.

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Jan 2014, 12:32 pm
Chris,

Please check this, there seems to be some error in the albums.php file, and in the folder-reference. Had to change the command to the right folder, but in albums.php a line  is incorrect too? the playlist.pid is available though, contrary to the error-message


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93352)

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 20 Jan 2014, 08:31 pm
Hi Chris,

Here's a small issue related to how albums are displayed in the album-browser view. It seems that the album thumbnails are not "line-wrapping" properly since the album detail shows up beneath the 1st album of the following row rather than (what I presume to be) the current row.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93381)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 24 Jan 2014, 04:14 pm
Is anyone else having slight window formatting issues with Chrome? I notice that the screen jumps around a bit and sometimes Chrome can't decide whether to have the main right hand window scroll bar on or off which causes the display width to jump back and forth rapidly. I have not had this problem at all with IE11. I'll try to grab a screen recording and post it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 24 Jan 2014, 08:12 pm
My Chrome just had an update this week. No idea if it addresses this issue, but worth a check.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 Jan 2014, 10:40 am
HI Chris,

latest version 0124 got saved on another usb thumb than it was supposed to..
and now, none of the two attached thumbs are displayed in the drop down menu for saving firmware. Only the root and 2 usb drives are shown, none of which id like to use for this.

please have a look?

M
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Jan 2014, 04:15 pm
Is anyone else having slight window formatting issues with Chrome? I notice that the screen jumps around a bit and sometimes Chrome can't decide whether to have the main right hand window scroll bar on or off which causes the display width to jump back and forth rapidly. I have not had this problem at all with IE11. I'll try to grab a screen recording and post it.

As mentioned and shown in reply 196 there is currently a formatting issue, the web designer is currently looking into why its occurring.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 28 Jan 2014, 10:02 pm
Hi Chris,

Check this: we made it ordering 100%! Generating Albums right now, fingers crossed ....
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93794)

While the bdp is generating these, please let me ask, whether we can have these albums displayed in a selected order. I recall seeing them only alphabetically ordered, which means all my different music styles are mixed into a very unusable set of album views..

Would be great if we could order on Style, composer, artist, or just plain on folder structure, which would seem best, since most of us file albums on an ordered tree like this i guess.

Plex has this feature, and it works best i feel.

Cheers, for getting it this far...

Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Jan 2014, 02:16 am
Hi Chris,

Check this: we made it ordering 100%! Generating Albums right now, fingers crossed ....
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93794)

While the bdp is generating these, please let me ask, whether we can have these albums displayed in a selected order. I recall seeing them only alphabetically ordered, which means all my different music styles are mixed into a very unusable set of album views..

Would be great if we could order on Style, composer, artist, or just plain on folder structure, which would seem best, since most of us file albums on an ordered tree like this i guess.

Plex has this feature, and it works best i feel.

Cheers, for getting it this far...

Marius

Hi Marius,

I do want to do a genre/style sort, infact part of the Bryston db sort does sort all the artists (with albums) into genre as well.  I just havn't figured out how to select the genre/style yet in a way that doesn't screw up the flow intended by the web designer.  The next firmware update will include a nifty search feature as well that works pretty good.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Jan 2014, 06:32 am
Great!

Since tagging is a bit of an erroneous proces now and then, and album art would be mixed up wrong on that case, please do add the folder structure to be one of these options . At least one knows for sure the Organisation is right I that case, no matter what tagging issues...

btw, albums generated on 16% now. It hangs, or is extremely slow... can't tell really, cant reach the bdp, so it might be too busy generating albums. Or, just plain hangs.  :lol:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93806)



Marius

Hi Marius,

I do want to do a genre/style sort, infact part of the Bryston db sort does sort all the artists (with albums) into genre as well.  I just havn't figured out how to select the genre/style yet in a way that doesn't screw up the flow intended by the web designer.  The next firmware update will include a nifty search feature as well that works pretty good.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jan 2014, 02:43 am
Great!

Since tagging is a bit of an erroneous proces now and then, and album art would be mixed up wrong on that case, please do add the folder structure to be one of these options . At least one knows for sure the Organisation is right I that case, no matter what tagging issues...

btw, albums generated on 16% now. It hangs, or is extremely slow... can't tell really, cant reach the bdp, so it might be too busy generating albums. Or, just plain hangs.  :lol:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93806)



Marius

Hi Marius,

Each time I had ran the script it seemed to hang while converting a picture file, I think I'm going to investigate aget stove methods programs tomorrow.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Jan 2014, 08:50 pm
Hi Chris,

Don't know if you already did in todays firmware upgrade, but it got stuck at exactly the same spot again. !6% and Hang.

btw what are aget stove methods?

Marius

Hi Marius,

Each time I had ran the script it seemed to hang while converting a picture file, I think I'm going to investigate aget stove methods programs tomorrow.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Jan 2014, 02:04 am
Hi Chris,

Don't know if you already did in todays firmware upgrade, but it got stuck at exactly the same spot again. !6% and Hang.

btw what are aget stove methods?

Marius

Hi Marius,

Today was quite hectic and only managed to get a bit of work done on the firmware upgrade page.  I'll make notes of any changes in the readme file that appears when you select the firmware for download or installation.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 31 Jan 2014, 06:14 pm
Hi Chris,

I thought I would give the new firmware a whirl again.

My comments are:

It is much smoother than before, my albums now play, the album data base seems to be working and the firmware update certainly didn't throw up any error this time.

The one negative so car is that Google Chrome now longer works - it wont select or play albums, the album DB does not show the covers in "album view"....

It certainly feels that its moving in the right direction - thanks to you and all the testers for all your efforts.

Rich.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Jan 2014, 06:32 pm
Hi Rich

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93961)

Chrome seems to work OK with me at work and at home.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 31 Jan 2014, 06:48 pm
What versions of Chrome are you both using? Any plug-ins installed?

Put "chrome://chrome/" (no quotes) in the web address bar to see the version (and update, if necessary).

Mine shows :

Version 32.0.1700.102 m
 
Google Chrome is up to date.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 31 Jan 2014, 06:56 pm
Hi Grit,

I am using the lastest version has you state below with no plug-ins, but I cannot add any albums to the playlist.

I have logged off my computer and back on again with no difference.

I should mention it works on Explorer.

Any ideas ?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 31 Jan 2014, 08:54 pm
I've had general interface bugs using Chrome too. No issues with IE or Firefox on Windows 8.1. Chris mentioned that the web designers were looking into some trouble with Chrome in an earlier post.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Jan 2014, 10:02 pm
Hi Grit,

I am using the lastest version has you state below with no plug-ins, but I cannot add any albums to the playlist.

I have logged off my computer and back on again with no difference.

I should mention it works on Explorer.

Any ideas ?

The default version of MPD (0.16.8) is a little glitchy as James discovered yesturday, to rest if this is the problem simply go into the Music Player Daemon settings and change the version.  Also the cover art and name of the currently playing song, playlist and some other bits don't always update.  This might be a problem with a version of WebKit as the version of safari that James has on his work computer is also broken, Safari and Chrome both use WebKit.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 1 Feb 2014, 12:47 am
I seem to be unable to install the 1/31 firmware. Multiple attempts to download have resulted in the following error:
Code: [Select]
Version:
Source:
Path:/media//bdp_firmware/
Filsystem Check Failed: md5 value missingVersion:
Source:
Path:/media//bdp_firmware/
Filsystem Check Failed: md5 value missingVersion:
Source:
Path:/media//bdp_firmware/
Filsystem Check Failed: md5 value missing
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 1 Feb 2014, 10:24 am
Hi Chris,

Please enable firmware downloading to usb thumbdrives again?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Feb 2014, 11:57 pm
I seem to be unable to install the 1/31 firmware. Multiple attempts to download have resulted in the following error:
Code: [Select]
Version:
Source:
Path:/media//bdp_firmware/
Filsystem Check Failed: md5 value missingVersion:
Source:
Path:/media//bdp_firmware/
Filsystem Check Failed: md5 value missingVersion:
Source:
Path:/media//bdp_firmware/
Filsystem Check Failed: md5 value missing

Have you tried simply restarting the unit?  Also if you downloaded the firmware Friday night you'll need to redownload the firmware

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Feb 2014, 02:02 pm
Chris,

Mac/finder won't browse the BDP anymore. Connection failed.

Only option is to go to server in menu options, and then i can select one of the drives. Still, no Finder browsing is possible, have rebooted once or twice already .

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 3 Feb 2014, 08:30 pm
The whole update process is a pain. I have to try at least 3 downloads (personal record: 7 redownloads) before it passes. The most common error is MD5 related. I can't imagine that my internet connection is that bad that on every BDP-software download roughly 75% has errors. I never experienced this in any other download. Only downloading the BDP software is giving me a hard time.
Maybe give us a tool to test MD values before loading the software into the device. The way it is working now, it takes me at least one hour to update the BDP-1, because I have to start downloading over and over again, and I have to start loading the software over and over,...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 4 Feb 2014, 02:21 pm
Quote
Have you tried simply restarting the unit?  Also if you downloaded the firmware Friday night you'll need to redownload the firmware

Hi Chris, Yes, I tried restarting the unit. Upon restarting I'm not able to install any version of the firmware. When I go to the "install firmware" page and select a version from my drive, the info for that build appears briefly (<1s) in the info window below, but then shows the following.
Code: [Select]
Version:-1
Source:-1
Path:/media/-1/bdp_firmware/-1
Filsystem Check Failed: md5 value missing
Thus, I'm not able to install any firmware. Can I initiate the firmware update through the command line?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 4 Feb 2014, 09:24 pm
Alright, I got this one figured out on my own. The BDP2 kept looking for one of my NAS drives that was offline. As soon as I brought the drive online again, I was able to install the FW. There must be a script that polls all attached storage for firmware downloads even though there doesn't appear to be an option to download to NAS drives. Maybe it just kept resetting? Not sure, just guessing, I suppose.

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Feb 2014, 02:16 pm
Chris,

latest update doesn't get passed "Sorting into Bryston 11%"  ...

sorry, no success yet.. :(

Marius

ps restarting gives this again and again:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94451)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 8 Feb 2014, 09:41 pm
Over and over I keep having problems loading new firmware:
Versions:
S20020140207 found on 308B-AA33
Info:
Filsystem Check Failed: md5 value missing
Install
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Feb 2014, 12:34 pm
Hi Chris,

Since the album db is still not anywhere near a working version, and it always bogs the system to hangs (Both the bdp and the Mac...) would it be possible to have some sort of minimal interface a available? Stripped out of the Albumview bit, just as we had it working fine before you started implementing this?

As it stands now, Mpod/mpad is not working correctly (listing all tracks alphabetically) and Brystons own software leaves a lot to be desired.

Hardly a situation a great machine as the BDP deserves. Or to put it somewhat more to the point: as is expected for a machine we only see rave reviews about.

Having to reboot every time the user tries to use the interface is just not acceptable, even for an avid betatester....

Hope you can do it.

Hope you can also have a look at the network interface , since right now it still is not very useful, input fields are unreadable , and still no subfolder to be selected as a share...

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 10 Feb 2014, 09:14 am
I fully agree with Marius comments.
The BDP1/2 hardware deserves a much better piece of software. In the meantime the last approved firmware looks and behaves like it  comes from the stone-ages. And the progress on the Beta is going slow and has still a lot of things to solve.
In my opinion Bryston is trying to reinvent hot water. Why not run an existing piece of software (freeware) on the BDP? It is a computer, so it should be able to run virtually anything.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 10 Feb 2014, 02:06 pm
I think much of the frustration is coming from the fact that we got let into the testing way earlier than what we're used to for a beta cycle. Usually for beta software, it's feature locked, every feature is already programmed in more than roughly. There are some known bugs, and workarounds are being tested. But development between beta and release candidate usually focuses on bug fixing, not feature addition.

What we're seeing is feature addition which almost always introduces bugs in previously finished bits of code. Couple that to the fact that there are clearly still missing features hinted at in the UI and even the design goals laid out in the original post, lots of stuff doesn't work well yet or at all.

It may be helpful going forward to give us a more detailed sense of the current known state of the software. If you don't want to run a full fledged bug tracker, maintaining a simple known-issues list that includes items up next for development would go a long way towards managing testers' expectations for each build. It would also focus the type of feedback you get from us which may make it seem more helpful than burdensome. Also, where it's feasible, work on stabilizing current features rather than adding new ones. This will help keep bugs isolated for the time being.

For those of us who want to take the occasional weekend off from testing and just enjoy listening for a bit, keep a CF card flashed and ready with Loony Loon. I keep the top of my chassis unscrewed all the time, so I just have to swap cards and reboot. It's nice to not be a guinea pig all the time.

It's worth the time investment to have a custom UI and feature set for the player. It would be dangerous for Bryston to rely solely on the good will of outside devs to maintain the software we use on our player. Then we run the risk of bugs never being fixed and features never being added.

Just my 2 cents...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 10 Feb 2014, 02:51 pm
I think much of the frustration is coming from the fact that we got let into the testing way earlier than what we're used to for a beta cycle. Usually for beta software, it's feature locked, every feature is already programmed in more than roughly. There are some known bugs, and workarounds are being tested. But development between beta and release candidate usually focuses on bug fixing, not feature addition.

What we're seeing is feature addition which almost always introduces bugs in previously finished bits of code. Couple that to the fact that there are clearly still missing features hinted at in the UI and even the design goals laid out in the original post, lots of stuff doesn't work well yet or at all.

It may be helpful going forward to give us a more detailed sense of the current known state of the software. If you don't want to run a full fledged bug tracker, maintaining a simple known-issues list that includes items up next for development would go a long way towards managing testers' expectations for each build. It would also focus the type of feedback you get from us which may make it seem more helpful than burdensome. Also, where it's feasible, work on stabilizing current features rather than adding new ones. This will help keep bugs isolated for the time being.

For those of us who want to take the occasional weekend off from testing and just enjoy listening for a bit, keep a CF card flashed and ready with Loony Loon. I keep the top of my chassis unscrewed all the time, so I just have to swap cards and reboot. It's nice to not be a guinea pig all the time.

It's worth the time investment to have a custom UI and feature set for the player. It would be dangerous for Bryston to rely solely on the good will of outside devs to maintain the software we use on our player. Then we run the risk of bugs never being fixed and features never being added.

Just my 2 cents...

I have the BDP1 more or less since it was available, and I can hardly live with loony loon being the latest official software. I like where manic moose is supposed to be going but when even installing a new release/nightly build is every time a real problem.  Also my cover is of all the time, because the update is that easy-going  :cry: . The whole software is just not up to the price I/we paid for the unit. If it didn't sound that good I would have sold it a long time ago,... :nono:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 10 Feb 2014, 08:41 pm
Now nightly build S20020140209 is not even starting download  :scratch:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Feb 2014, 11:17 pm
Now nightly build S20020140209 is not even starting download  :scratch:

Hi Folks,

Yes found a glitch in 209 - will have new version shortly.

I have taken the plunge and downloaded the manic Moose - so I can start comparing notes - bear with us please as it will soon all come together - Chris promised me today  :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Feb 2014, 11:49 pm
My set-up with Manic Moose

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94565)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94570)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94566)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94569)


james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Feb 2014, 02:32 am
Hi Guys,

So I thought I'd provide an update on where we stand with the firmware.  The media player portion is feature complete and we are just in the process of ironing out the bugs as they come up.  The media player has one very significant issue that Marius has had first hand experience with, building the album art database never in I she's and eventually locks up his BDP-1.  I don't believe this issue is either a resource or software issue but rather a content issue as we have tested it repeatedly with a BDP-1 containing over 60 thousand files.  Regardless of what's causing the problem it needs to be addressed. So far each time I have monitored the build using the program top, it appears to be the conversion of picture files causing the problem.

Dashboard,
System: complete no known issues
Disk Information: partitialy functional, scan disk, mount, unmount, set scratch, update all functional, no known issues
Album Art database: havn't decided what to do with this yet
Network interfaces: this has been my concentration for the last week, fully functional, has yet to be put through its paces yet
Update firmware: advanced page functional, still dealing with problems regarding the application of updates.  This issue appears to stem from the passing of variables from browser to BDP.  This is the next thing I plan to tackle with the network manager functional and will likely incorporate a basic checksum before proceeding with the upgrade and some additional back and forth communication.
Music player daemon, page appears to be feature complete; although we are experience unrepeatable issues with MPD 0.16.8(might still be labeled as 0.16.7).  Out fix for this might be as simple as just get rid of it depending on user feedback.
System log: not yet functional
Startup script: not yet functional
NAS setup: you can add a NAS but nothing else, still needs work on the layout of objects
Services: functional, some customers have noted that some of the services don't produce audio, there does appear to be a problem with the audio output device being used by other tasks.  This seems to occur when MPD's playlist hasn't been cleared.
License: not yet functional

There are three existing major issues that must be resolved:
1. The firmware upgrade
2. Album art database/content
3. The third party streaming services not taking control of the audio output device

Obviously there is still work ahead, nobody is more aware of this then me as I am tasked to get it to work, this is a beta made available at the request to the general public.  I do appreciate everyone's patients and feel your frustration as again I am the one who this responsibility falls on.   your feedback has been invaluable as if you weren't here I'd be dealing with a giant shit storm on the day of launch. 

We are in this together and I'm sure as we can all agree on that we re moving in a positive direction albeit with som missed steps.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 11 Feb 2014, 10:33 pm
Now nightly build S20020140209 is not even starting download  :scratch:
S2.00 2014-02-11 has same problem. it does not start the download.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Feb 2014, 11:38 pm
Issues here too: download starts, not showing in the progressmeter, and only showing very shortly in the install window
Cant install .

Chris, please re-enable downloads to the thumbdrive again.

Marius

S2.00 2014-02-11 has same problem. it does not start the download.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Feb 2014, 01:52 am
S2.00 2014-02-11 has same problem. it does not start the download.

Are your downloading S2.00 2014-02-11 or have already downloaded S2.00 2014-02-11 and trying to download it again?  Keep in mind any firmware changes made won't take place until after it's been installed.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2014, 01:54 am
Downloaded OK for me.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 12 Feb 2014, 02:54 am
downloading but not installing over here. I persistently get MD5 errors. Noting your comment about the browser perhaps passing along variables, I've tried both IE11 and Firefox to no avail. Also, I've downloaded to both my scratch drive and /mnt/img and neither seems affected. Also, I've rebooted the BDP-2 several times.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: zuluwarrior0760 on 12 Feb 2014, 03:25 am
Is Manic Moose still a beta release?  If so, how long approx.
before it is out of beta.....?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2014, 04:58 am
Is Manic Moose still a beta release?  If so, how long approx.
before it is out of beta.....?

Aiming for the end of the month

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2014, 04:59 am
Don't know if this matters but I was able to load the new software using the IP address of my BDP on my iPad and downloaded from the iPad.

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 12 Feb 2014, 12:49 pm
Are your downloading S2.00 2014-02-11 or have already downloaded S2.00 2014-02-11 and trying to download it again?  Keep in mind any firmware changes made won't take place until after it's been installed.

Cheers,
Chris

I tried to download it for the first time. It briefly displays 'downloading', but then it stops. The counter in the blue bars is not moving. When I retry, I  get a message 'download in progress' or something like that. But when I check it has only created a directory on the USB-drive. But this directory is empty. I had exactly the same with the previous nightly build 20140209. So I do not get the chance to get to the install-page/button.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Feb 2014, 01:55 pm
Unless the unit in question isn't placed into service mode and i'm emailed the service number i really can only guess at whats wrong.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 12 Feb 2014, 02:03 pm
Unless the unit in question isn't placed into service mode and i'm emailed the service number i really can only guess at whats wrong.

Cheers,
Chris
I'll try this evening to update the BDP1 once more. If not working I'll put it in service mode and keep you informed.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Feb 2014, 04:06 pm
Thanks Wim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Feb 2014, 06:44 pm
After giving up trying to redownload the latest firmware, I discovered this morning it had auto installed .....

Have not yet tested album art or network shares, but this seemed so wonderful, I thought to let you know Chris. And, looking much better indeed on the install page.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 12 Feb 2014, 09:42 pm
I was able to install the 0211 firmware by accessing the install page from a separate computer using Safari.

Oddly, the network info page reports the wrong gateway IP. My gateway is 192.168.1.1, and the BDP is reporting 192.168.1.255. However, the BDP has no problem accessing the internet. Weird!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Feb 2014, 09:51 pm
Hi Marius,

As per request.... i hope a page anyways, to download the individual  files for the firmware from a site.

The path that you download the files to isn't overly flexible right now, i'll need to make some more changes to the actual firmware tomorrow.  Basic instructions are on the web page.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/index.html

Cheers,
Chris

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Feb 2014, 09:53 pm
I was able to install the 0211 firmware by accessing the install page from a separate computer using Safari.

Oddly, the network info page reports the wrong gateway IP. My gateway is 192.168.1.1, and the BDP is reporting 192.168.1.255. However, the BDP has no problem accessing the internet. Weird!

Hi Gary,

The detection of the gateway address will sometimes be confused with the broadcast address, its a minor issue that will get fixed.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Feb 2014, 07:08 am
Hey Chris,

Nice! Though a bit more complex than before, this makes it possible for us to dl the firmware to any place comfortable, and not interfere with the music files, or have issues with the root files in the system cf-card. wonderful.

My last post on this meant to ask you something else though. Before, in the download box i Manic Moose, you offered the option of dl'ing to an attached thumb drive. As of lately, only the usb harddrives and the system cf card appear. Cant you re-enable the thumb drives in that interface again? On your advice i have a dedicated thumb drive there, next to one with music files, but neither of them are visible in this interface right now.

Cheers!
Marius


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94652)


Hi Marius,

As per request.... i hope a page anyways, to download the individual  files for the firmware from a site.

The path that you download the files to isn't overly flexible right now, i'll need to make some more changes to the actual firmware tomorrow.  Basic instructions are on the web page.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/index.html

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Feb 2014, 07:08 am
HI Chris,

clicking the album view now displays 99 albums , and no more feedback of having to build the files for the first time!... some have the default bryston picture, but progress is made.

What do i do to get the rest of the albums indexed? click that button again, or, in dashboard, click the build album art database? Or will it work automatically of
from now on.

Another thing: now i do have some of the albums displayed, it is immediately clear some sort of extra organising is necessary. All styles and artists, composers or recordings are mixed into an alphabetical (?) list that is of no added value really. I still feel the 'by folder' is needed at least. Since tagging is still the big issue for most, and tag-fields are not always used in the correct, or same way, the ordering right now is a bit of a mess....

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 13 Feb 2014, 11:47 am
I'll try this evening to update the BDP1 once more. If not working I'll put it in service mode and keep you informed.
I tried and retied, and retried and.... but all of a sudden the blue bars start showing progress and it worked! Don't ask me why, just keep trying and is finally will start the download. I think I have tried more than 15 times on this occassion. But I twas the first time I did not get MD5 errors. Once it started the download the install was ok in one go. :scratch:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 13 Feb 2014, 01:33 pm
HI Chris,

clicking the album view now displays 99 albums , and no more feedback of having to build the files for the first time!... some have the default bryston picture, but progress is made.

What do i do to get the rest of the albums indexed? click that button again, or, in dashboard, click the build album art database? Or will it work automatically of
from now on.

Another thing: now i do have some of the albums displayed, it is immediately clear some sort of extra organising is necessary. All styles and artists, composers or recordings are mixed into an alphabetical (?) list that is of no added value really. I still feel the 'by folder' is needed at least. Since tagging is still the big issue for most, and tag-fields are not always used in the correct, or same way, the ordering right now is a bit of a mess....

Marius

I'm getting my whole library built...weird.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Feb 2014, 03:31 pm
Hey Chris,

Nice! Though a bit more complex than before, this makes it possible for us to dl the firmware to any place comfortable, and not interfere with the music files, or have issues with the root files in the system cf-card. wonderful.

My last post on this meant to ask you something else though. Before, in the download box i Manic Moose, you offered the option of dl'ing to an attached thumb drive. As of lately, only the usb harddrives and the system cf card appear. Cant you re-enable the thumb drives in that interface again? On your advice i have a dedicated thumb drive there, next to one with music files, but neither of them are visible in this interface right now.

Cheers!
Marius


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94652)

Hi Marius,

Oh ok, yah i misunderstood you, something must be broken as it should list all drives.  Perhaps the problem is with spaces in the drives name, i'll do a little digging.
Btw have you tried the album view as of yet?  I'm quite curious regarding if its effected anything.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Feb 2014, 04:03 pm
HI Chris,

clicking the album view now displays 99 albums , and no more feedback of having to build the files for the first time!... some have the default bryston picture, but progress is made.

What do i do to get the rest of the albums indexed? click that button again, or, in dashboard, click the build album art database? Or will it work automatically of
from now on.

Another thing: now i do have some of the albums displayed, it is immediately clear some sort of extra organising is necessary. All styles and artists, composers or recordings are mixed into an alphabetical (?) list that is of no added value really. I still feel the 'by folder' is needed at least. Since tagging is still the big issue for most, and tag-fields are not always used in the correct, or same way, the ordering right now is a bit of a mess....

Marius

Hi Marius,

It should load 99 albums at a time, each time you reach the bottom it should load the next 99 albums; iPad and iPhone seem to still be a little "finicky" but i haven't had a problem on desktop/laptop.   Also i wonder if the process is perhaps not even finishing?  Once Manic Moose has created the first 99 albums refreshing the page should result in the loading of the first 99 albums.  Also i have found the page to be handy when used in combination of the search feature in the upper right corner.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Feb 2014, 04:38 pm
HI Chris,

I do believe it does what you say! amazing this. Finally you've got it to work. This has been a major quest for how long have you started the betas? 2 years now? ... Great!

Hope you get it to work a bit more fluently, and ordered logically, but for now: phhhhf a major succes! :thumb: :thumb:

hope it won't bog the system anymore, and succes is sticky (fingers crossed)

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Feb 2014, 04:50 pm
HI Chris,

Now this is starting to work, i get an idea of how it works ;-)

i think it would be very nice if you'd keep the command section always in view, and have the albums scroll under them. This way we can always directly click away from this page, even when we deep down in our libraries. (ive noticed a steep lag already, and it might get even bigger, when more albums are loaded. direct control is very useful then, getting back to the system, or other commands we need)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94668)
Since you've adopted the itunes look, you might as well adopt this too:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94670)

have a look at these ordering categories too then, they are very comfortable, and somehow much more memory friendly, don't bog the system at all?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Feb 2014, 06:41 pm
Hi Marius,

We do have an artist view that is pretty well identical to iTunes artists view, its the icon with four squares.  We don't have a genre view yet, but the database allows it to be generated quickly.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Feb 2014, 06:54 pm
I'm sure it will end up even better. Still, really need the 'by folder' view and if you'd combine that with the album art it would be really amazing

and, artist view has a tendency to show all tracks in an album separately.... so some fine-tuning left to do;-)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94674)
Cheers!
Hi Marius,

We do have an artist view that is pretty well identical to iTunes artists view, its the icon with four squares.  We don't have a genre view yet, but the database allows it to be generated quickly.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: TSage on 14 Feb 2014, 02:18 am
Hi, I'm currently enjoying release 2 and have recently added the BDP to my home theatre stack which is completely serial or IP controlled.

For your consideration - I submit 2 requests.

1) If it's possible could you allow TURN ON and TURN OFF via serial command - currently I believe there is no power to the serial port when its off so the unit can't be turned on.
I've finagled the trigger port to run with a global cache iTach trigger, it works, but it's not elegant.

2) Playlist management is really a pain, some basics like drag/drop re-ordering, saving an updated list without the "playlist already exists" message, ability to MERGE playlists into a 3rd list.  Exposing the playlist files to the observable file system that windows/mac can see would be great.

Thanks for all your hard work into version 3.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Feb 2014, 07:03 pm
Hi Chris,

almost there ;-)

only missing the dedicated thumb drive:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94804)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94805)

it does read the bdpfirmware when installing though.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94807)

Cheers,
Marius


Hi Marius,

Oh ok, yah i misunderstood you, something must be broken as it should list all drives.  Perhaps the problem is with spaces in the drives name, i'll do a little digging.
Btw have you tried the album view as of yet?  I'm quite curious regarding if its effected anything.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Feb 2014, 07:17 pm
HI Chris,
updating always ends in a unable to resolve host state, what does that mean? is this an error, or expected behaviour:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94808)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 16 Feb 2014, 01:59 am
HI Chris,
updating always ends in a unable to resolve host state, what does that mean? is this an error, or expected behaviour:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94808)
Same here. Does it even matter since the filesystem is checked above? Is the second sync and fsck just verifying integrity after the install?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 17 Feb 2014, 08:46 am
This just a guess on my part - "unable to resolve host bryston-bdp-1" probably has to do with the IP address. That type of error is usually referring to the text address (in this case, bryston-bdp-1) is not pointing to a valid/expected IP address.

If you currently have your BDP set up to be assigned a dynamically allocated IP address, you might try giving it a static IP address. Or, you might try accessing it in the web browser via it's current IP address and not "bryston-bdp-1". I'm sure Chris will figure it out, but the above suggestions might be worth a try in the meantime.

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Feb 2014, 09:24 am
HI,

It coincides with a Connection Failed in my Mac/finder.

Usually it takes a while for finder to locate it again, in terms o f days. rebooting the system or Mac don't help.... I can Go to server, and then select one drive...I can just use the browser, and use  the bryston-bdp-1.local, why the setuproutine can't is definitely a question.

Marius



This just a guess on my part - "unable to resolve host bryston-bdp-1" probably has to do with the IP address. That type of error is usually referring to the text address (in this case, bryston-bdp-1) is not pointing to a valid/expected IP address.

If you currently have your BDP set up to be assigned a dynamically allocated IP address, you might try giving it a static IP address. Or, you might try accessing it in the web browser via it's current IP address and not "bryston-bdp-1". I'm sure Chris will figure it out, but the above suggestions might be worth a try in the meantime.

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Feb 2014, 06:27 pm
Chris,

just thought to let you know, that further investigation into the system, and its terrible slowdown in Mac/finder, which i suspected the service mode of the bdp was the culprit, has come to a conclusive answer. After disabling servicemode, the hogging of the system was still there, so the search went on. It had to do something with syncing the shares on the network or internet, so i took out dropbox first, to no avail though.

Today i finally had a positive conclusion to this, since disabling my synology cloud station solved it all. No more hogging, and immediate folder views in dropbox and the likes. Mac/finder even connects to the bdp again immediately where it wouldn't before.

Even updating to the latest build on cloud server won't help a lot. other users have filed a ticket for this too ive seen on their forum. Might not be too relevant for BDP/firmware, but since we discussed it before, just thought id post here.

Cheers,
Marius


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Feb 2014, 08:03 pm
HI Chris,
updating always ends in a unable to resolve host state, what does that mean? is this an error, or expected behaviour:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94808)

That's expected, used for debugging purposes, additional information would follow if there was an actual issue.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Feb 2014, 08:26 pm
OK, good to know.

Though Id rather see a message saying 'Updating finished successfully , the Bpd is restarting on its own' or something like that again ;-)

Debugging is not for end users, you
Might want to consider taking that line out if the feedback.

Cheers Marius


That's expected, used for debugging purposes, additional information would follow if there was an actual issue.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Feb 2014, 04:16 pm
Yah, deffinantly lots of little things to tidy up and finish left to go.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Feb 2014, 10:22 pm
HI Chris,

latest upgrade improved on Nas / Shares

"S2.00 2014-02-18
NAS Setup
Adding NAS: fixed up the wizard for adding shares to the configuration, little nicer and easier to read/understand"

Is it possible to have the folder selection on a Share? I cant seem to do it..

Also, it won't accept any name i give to the share, any guidelines for that? It won't accept my password either, when i don't enter a share name, though im positive it is correct...

Lastly, could you give share-properties info in a hover over the found share? For many shares you display many entries, but only one of these can be selected, and the right info now is only found after selecting it, and reading the properties.

Cheers!
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Feb 2014, 07:31 pm
HI Chris,

latest upgrade improved on Nas / Shares

"S2.00 2014-02-18
NAS Setup
Adding NAS: fixed up the wizard for adding shares to the configuration, little nicer and easier to read/understand"

Is it possible to have the folder selection on a Share? I cant seem to do it..

Also, it won't accept any name i give to the share, any guidelines for that? It won't accept my password either, when i don't enter a share name, though im positive it is correct...

Lastly, could you give share-properties info in a hover over the found share? For many shares you display many entries, but only one of these can be selected, and the right info now is only found after selecting it, and reading the properties.

Cheers!
Marius

Hi Marius,

Do you not get any drop down menu's like the one pictured below?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95018)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95019)


Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Feb 2014, 10:51 pm
Yes Chris I do get this.

Has many entries though .
But after that: no success ...

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Feb 2014, 01:46 am
Yes Chris I do get this.

Has many entries though .
But after that: no success ...

Marius

Hi Marius,

I think I know what it is now, I still list off AFP servers, but I don't have any support for it yet.  After you select one, make sure the type is Microsoft windows network and not apple file sharing.  They should be near the bottom.  AFP support is coming... I hope.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Feb 2014, 11:26 am
HI Chris,

you've done it! share is working now, and a folder on the share is selected. Great!

was a bit awkward to get it to work though, but suddenly it worked. Havent tested playing the share yet, but this is a very fine beginning indeed.
Would it be possible to optionally list the shares without the underscores, maybe even without the drive it is located on? Seems a bit to computerish now showing the network drive ea in the user interface. For me, id just need the MP3 'cabinet', and i don't mind where it is now.

O, and w/could you make the passwords **** preferably?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95247)

cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Woofer on 24 Feb 2014, 12:35 am
Hello Chris-

I know software development is rather "dynamic"... but would you be comfortable ball-parking a month or season even when the Moose might hit the wild?

Thx.

The other Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 24 Feb 2014, 07:43 am
latest firmware upgrade brought lockups again?

having to reboot after longer periodes of inactivity again, even with guard selected.
Could this be because of album art db rebuilding again now a (rather large) network share has been added?

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Feb 2014, 03:50 pm
Is it locking up during building the database?  The database should only rebuild if you have added or removed songs from your database, if this is not working as it should please let me know and the circumstances that triggered the rebuild.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Feb 2014, 03:53 pm
Hello Chris-

I know software development is rather "dynamic"... but would you be comfortable ball-parking a month or season even when the Moose might hit the wild?

Thx.

The other Chris

Its hard to say, our web designer had to take some time off for a few weeks and some of the settings pages are taking much longer to build then expected.  The network settings page took a few weeks to get it where it is now and still needs to be tested.  The upside from the delay though is we now have wireless capability by adding a USB wifi dongle.  The NAS setup page has also eaten up a few weeks of development, again for another new feature; the ability to connect to not just samba shares but also AFP shares.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Feb 2014, 04:16 pm
HI Chris,

you've done it! share is working now, and a folder on the share is selected. Great!

was a bit awkward to get it to work though, but suddenly it worked. Havent tested playing the share yet, but this is a very fine beginning indeed.
Would it be possible to optionally list the shares without the underscores, maybe even without the drive it is located on? Seems a bit to computerish now showing the network drive ea in the user interface. For me, id just need the MP3 'cabinet', and i don't mind where it is now.

O, and w/could you make the passwords **** preferably?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95247)

cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

I prefer to show the password in plan text for a few reasons;

the first is if something goes wrong and its because of a typo in the password field then the end user can still see what he's entered. 

Secondly its only displayed for a few minutes while setting up the NAS, which should only need to be done once.  So unless your worried about someone looking over your shoulder might i recommend setting it up from your iPad in a corner of a room  :wink:

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gaustabl on 25 Feb 2014, 03:21 pm
Hello to all ypu beta testers.
I am about to try to install the beta, but has anyone tried using the beta from an android or iphone device.
I am using the mini interface in irule on a htc one, and are curious if the webif in manic moose will work...
Best regards
Lars
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 25 Feb 2014, 04:07 pm
Hi Lars,

The Beta firmware built in user interface doesn't work on my android phone but, my device is old enough to not support websockets in the native browser, and Chrome slows it down. My android tablet (equally old) runs chrome just fine, and the new user interface just fine as well. My ipad works beautifully.

In both cases, though, 3rd party apps work perfectly well. MPad on the ipad and mpdroid on the android phones have no problem working with the current beta.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Feb 2014, 01:50 am
Hello to all ypu beta testers.
I am about to try to install the beta, but has anyone tried using the beta from an android or iphone device.
I am using the mini interface in irule on a htc one, and are curious if the webif in manic moose will work...
Best regards
Lars

Hi Lars,

The built in web browser on even the newest android phones/tablets don't support web sockets.  However we have tested google chrome on android 4.0 and 4.2 tablets and it works fairly well.  There is a drawing issue, but this seems to be an issue with android in general and the current fix is to pinch zoom in and out.  Also google chrome does a great job if you book am the web app to the home page, allowing you to utilize the entire display.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 26 Feb 2014, 10:20 am
Am I the only one having issues accessing the files on dropbox that are listed in the "Re-Imaging BDP CF Card using Microsoft Windows" instructions?

I have to be honest, this whole thread is confusing and the instructions or lack thereof do not help much.  And I just stripped one of the torx, it just wont come out. I bought a new torx screwdriver just so I would not do that, but didn't matter. Sorry guys, but at this price the BDP should not be a DIY project

links does not work

1. Procede to take the 10 torx 8 440 screws holding the BDP's lid on
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Replacing_Flash_Memory_i
n_BDP1a.pdf

2. Download a copy of the image file from the link below and unzip it
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/bitImages/S173LoonyLoon.img.zi
p
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 Feb 2014, 01:12 pm
Sorry for my late response.

I locked up, after upgrading to the latest firmware. It showed all feedback of adding files, creating them because they didn't exist etc etc, it reached 11% and then no progress was made. BDP locked up again. Had to reboot.
After that, album art was displayed. It seems very sluggish though, each page of 100 albums takes a while, and the more you go down the list, the longer it takes to be able to interact with it. Thats one of the reasons i asked for keeping the command buttons in view when scrolling album art. The possibility clicking these without having to scroll back is rather important, in the current state of the software, but i think later on too. Compare Itunes again..

So it was not a matter of updating the database, it was updating the firmware that triggered it.

Im not sure why, but albums are not always shown with their album art, most of the displayed default images shouldn't be there, since ive carefully placed a cover.jpg in most of them...

MArius

Is it locking up during building the database?  The database should only rebuild if you have added or removed songs from your database, if this is not working as it should please let me know and the circumstances that triggered the rebuild.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Feb 2014, 01:46 pm
Am I the only one having issues accessing the files on dropbox that are listed in the "Re-Imaging BDP CF Card using Microsoft Windows" instructions?

I have to be honest, this whole thread is confusing and the instructions or lack thereof do not help much.  And I just stripped one of the torx, it just wont come out. I bought a new torx screwdriver just so I would not do that, but didn't matter. Sorry guys, but at this price the BDP should not be a DIY project

links does not work

1. Procede to take the 10 torx 8 440 screws holding the BDP's lid on
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Replacing_Flash_Memory_i
n_BDP1a.pdf

2. Download a copy of the image file from the link below and unzip it
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/bitImages/S173LoonyLoon.img.zi
p

Sorry to hear about the confusion, but the links are functioning

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Replacing_Flash_Memory_in_BDP1a.pdf

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/bitImages/S173LoonyLoon.img.zip

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 26 Feb 2014, 01:52 pm
Thanks Chris, I was going off of the links in here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Windows.pdf   

So what should I do now? I cant get the top off. Will it update as normal one it is released to production? Or will I still have to take off the case.

Sorry for the rant but with all due respect the current interface is in need of improvement and was really looking forward to the new one. I went out and bought new Torx, flash card reader, flash card to no avail.

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Feb 2014, 01:54 pm
Sorry for my late response.

I locked up, after upgrading to the latest firmware. It showed all feedback of adding files, creating them because they didn't exist etc etc, it reached 11% and then no progress was made. BDP locked up again. Had to reboot.
After that, album art was displayed. It seems very sluggish though, each page of 100 albums takes a while, and the more you go down the list, the longer it takes to be able to interact with it. Thats one of the reasons i asked for keeping the command buttons in view when scrolling album art. The possibility clicking these without having to scroll back is rather important, in the current state of the software, but i think later on too. Compare Itunes again..

So it was not a matter of updating the database, it was updating the firmware that triggered it.

Im not sure why, but albums are not always shown with their album art, most of the displayed default images shouldn't be there, since ive carefully placed a cover.jpg in most of them...

MArius

Hi Marius,

It is our intention to have the "header" to be shown at all times.  The album view needs some reworking, i'm thinking more like the artist view but rather then a column of artists a list A-Z.  Kept in user definable chunks, 100 by default and then it could be set higher or lower.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Feb 2014, 02:02 pm
Thanks Chris, I was going off of the links in here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/BDP%20image%20Windows.pdf   

So what should I do now? I cant get the top off. Will it update as normal one it is released to production? Or will I still have to take off the case.

Sorry for the rant but with all due respect the current interface is in need of improvement and was really looking forward to the new one. I went out and bought new Torx, flash card reader, flash card to no avail.

Cheers

No worries, everyone needs to vent, even me sometimes  :wink:

Well you can send the unit back to us and we can remove the stripped screws for you, we'll even cover the return shipping under warranty. The other option is to go down to a local hardware store and grab a stripped screw removal kit, they aren't very expensive around $30 I think.  I would recommend getting the stripped screw taken care of, at this point I'm pretty confident that the firmware isn't going to brick your system but you may need to take the top off for other reasons; like if you want to go back to loony loon.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 26 Feb 2014, 02:15 pm
Thanks for understanding. I planned my whole day around it, pathetic I know. But am really looking forward to this release, it looks great.

You mean send it back and be without music? bite your tongue!!!

If I can figure out how to say "stripped screw removal kit" in French I will do that. But correct me if I am wrong, I won't need to do all of this once it is released to production right? It will update from the "BDP Home" screen without having to remove it?

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: SHV on 26 Feb 2014, 04:05 pm
""stripped screw removal kit""

http://smile.amazon.com/Alden-8440P-Grabit-Damaged-Extractor/dp/B001A4CWHO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1393430689&sr=8-6&keywords=screw+extractor

Steve
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Feb 2014, 04:06 pm
In its current form there is no need to remove the CF card to update to manic moose.  You'll only need to take the cover off if you want to go back to loony loon or if the system requires servicing in some manor.  I haven't ran into any problems updating from Loony Loon to Manic Moose in the last 6 weeks so i am pretty confident that all or most of the issues have been addressed on that front.  If the upgrade does "brick" the unit then the only recourse is to reflash or replace the CF card, either way the top must come off.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gaustabl on 26 Feb 2014, 05:20 pm
Hello.
Update went without any problem, so now i am testing. First impressions are pretty good, it does seem a bit slow though. It does not find all my albums, strange since mpod and mpad finds them with cover and everything.
I tested within irule remote on my htc one phone, and it worked there,

It wold be nice with a function to retreive information about album/artist playing like the info button on mpad.

Keep up the good work.
Best regards Lars
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 26 Feb 2014, 06:50 pm
Ahh, don't know why I thought I had to do it by taking the CF card out. I will try via the firmware update. Fingers crossed.

Thanks Steve, that's exactly what I need....If I lived in America  ;)   Guess if it bricks I will make my way to the French Home Depot and try to explain it in my best Frenglish


cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Feb 2014, 02:13 am
Hello.
Update went without any problem, so now i am testing. First impressions are pretty good, it does seem a bit slow though. It does not find all my albums, strange since mpod and mpad finds them with cover and everything.
I tested within irule remote on my htc one phone, and it worked there,

It wold be nice with a function to retreive information about album/artist playing like the info button on mpad.

Keep up the good work.
Best regards Lars

Hi Lars,

Regarding the slowness you may want to check which version of MPD is being used.  There are three to choose from and the default version 0.16.7 (or 0.16.8 in newer releases) is rather slow and buggy.  Also the version downloaded in the initial upgrade is quite out dated, you should upgrade to 2014-02-25 if you havn't already.  Instructions are in the third link on the first post of this thread.  mPad and mPod have the ability to grab cover art from online resources, we have yet to reimplement our online implementation. 

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Feb 2014, 02:24 am
Hi Marius,

I had realized a mistake I could have easily made that might explain your cover art issue, I just havn't had a chance to confirm it yet.  I believe the firmware when it doesn't find appropriate covert art it taking the generic file and using it to create the picture file it uses.  The folder containing the music files should each contain a picture file with either BDP or Bryston in its name, the exact file name eludes me at the moment.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Feb 2014, 11:25 am
HI Chris,

cant seem to download version 0225 correctly. Any issues? it does start, but immediately says DONE, and only 768 bytes (of 768...) are downloaded
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95554)

and, again, all thumb drives are invisible, only the 2 usb Harddrives and the internal flashcard are available for downloading.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Feb 2014, 11:27 am
Please define 'appropriate cover art'?

any size/resolution demands/constraints? I have a cover.jpg in most folders, some are larger than others alright, but many of them are not displayed.

edit: Chris, does the firmware read the images embedded in the mp3 files, or does it still need a cover.jpg in these folders.. (hope not...)

Marius

Hi Marius,

I had realized a mistake I could have easily made that might explain your cover art issue, I just havn't had a chance to confirm it yet.  I believe the firmware when it doesn't find appropriate covert art it taking the generic file and using it to create the picture file it uses.  The folder containing the music files should each contain a picture file with either BDP or Bryston in its name, the exact file name eludes me at the moment.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 27 Feb 2014, 12:22 pm
Morning Chris,

My turn  :D

Firmware looks like it was successful. But for the life of me I cant get my music in the library.

I can see my NAS, I add it. But hours later after hitting update and all that jazz, still no music in my library. It asked me to make a scratch drive (my NAS was already one and I did not delete the file) but my only choice in "Disk Info" is the internal CF card which I cant make a scratch drive. I even plugged in a USB drive and then it gave me the option of making that the scratch drive. I did it, but nothing is any different.

For the NAS I can see MyBookLive and MyBookLive.local   which should I use?

Any Ideas?

Thanks

update: Looks like the local was the right choice since after I chose that and came back later the library started to fill up. Still cant use album view as it still asks for a scratch drive.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2014, 01:47 pm
Morning Chris,

My turn  :D

Firmware looks like it was successful. But for the life of me I cant get my music in the library.

I can see my NAS, I add it. But hours later after hitting update and all that jazz, still no music in my library. It asked me to make a scratch drive (my NAS was already one and I did not delete the file) but my only choice in "Disk Info" is the internal CF card which I cant make a scratch drive. I even plugged in a USB drive and then it gave me the option of making that the scratch drive. I did it, but nothing is any different.

For the NAS I can see MyBookLive and MyBookLive.local   which should I use?

Any Ideas?

Thanks

update: Looks like the local was the right choice since after I chose that and came back later the library started to fill up. Still cant use album view as it still asks for a scratch drive.

Hi

The Scratch drive must be formatted FAT32 currently but I think Chris is changing that to allow NTSF as well.

james
 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Feb 2014, 07:28 pm
HI Chris,

cant seem to download version 0225 correctly. Any issues? it does start, but immediately says DONE, and only 768 bytes (of 768...) are downloaded
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95554)

and, again, all thumb drives are invisible, only the 2 usb Harddrives and the internal flashcard are available for downloading.

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

I believe i forgotten to name a folder correctly, it should be working now.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Feb 2014, 07:38 pm
Please define 'appropriate cover art'?

any size/resolution demands/constraints? I have a cover.jpg in most folders, some are larger than others alright, but many of them are not displayed.

edit: Chris, does the firmware read the images embedded in the mp3 files, or does it still need a cover.jpg in these folders.. (hope not...)

Marius

Hi Marius,

The album view doesn't go after embedded cover art, we may add it; but if we do picture files will take priority over embedded.  Appropriate is currently defined as any jpeg or png with the extension .jpg, .jpeg or .png and the file name folder, cover or front.  When manic moose is finished these filenames will be the default value and customize-able by the end user.  Also the filename arn't case sensitive so CoVer.png would be treated as cover.png.  File size or resolution shouldn't matter; however that's not to say the an error or some other obscure version of jpeg or png isn't compatible with imagemagick.  Imagemagick is the current software package used to create copies and to resize the copies for the media player web interface.  Also I have confirmed that media player simply links to the generic bryston logo file if a picture file can't be found.  The final release of the firmware will allow users to choose cover art using the media player interface so hopefully getting cover art right will be less of a chore in the end.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Feb 2014, 07:40 pm
Morning Chris,

My turn  :D

Firmware looks like it was successful. But for the life of me I cant get my music in the library.

I can see my NAS, I add it. But hours later after hitting update and all that jazz, still no music in my library. It asked me to make a scratch drive (my NAS was already one and I did not delete the file) but my only choice in "Disk Info" is the internal CF card which I cant make a scratch drive. I even plugged in a USB drive and then it gave me the option of making that the scratch drive. I did it, but nothing is any different.

For the NAS I can see MyBookLive and MyBookLive.local   which should I use?

Any Ideas?

Thanks

update: Looks like the local was the right choice since after I chose that and came back later the library started to fill up. Still cant use album view as it still asks for a scratch drive.

Hi,

A NAS can't act as the scratch drive, you must choose a local drive formatted as Fat32; however i'm considering lifting this criteria due to how the new firmware accesses the scratch drive.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: lwschwartz on 27 Feb 2014, 10:53 pm
Hi Chris,

I thought I would try upgrading the firmware to Manic Moose since I am having so much trouble with looney tunes.  My BDP-2 is nearly non functional.  It loses the library, most of the music is not accessible, and has been frustrating.  It has been this way since I bought it a few months ago.  I have continued to use my McIntosh MS750 waiting on your new firmware to see if it will work better.  My BDP-2 won't upgrade over the internet.  I have tried 10 times today alone.  It keeps getting part way there, crashing, rebooting and getting new ip addresses from the router.  I gave up on static ip addresses weeks ago when it wouldn't stay set.  Now it just acquires a new pair of addresses each time it reboots.  It is up to .64 and .65 as I write this.  I have tried connecting only one ethernet port and connecting both ethernet ports and neither way helps. I have attached a jpg of the screen.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95566)

When the update process hangs, it puts up a window requiring BDP authorization.  Then, no matter what I put in there, it tells me I am not authorized.

The only thing I have done to the unit since getting it is put an sad in it with some FLAC files since it wouldn't stream any from any of my NAS servers.  Please help before I give up and go back to SONOS.  It is now in service mode and gives a number 14.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 28 Feb 2014, 01:59 am
Hi Chris,

I thought I would try upgrading the firmware to Manic Moose since I am having so much trouble with looney tunes.  My BDP-2 is nearly non functional.  It loses the library, most of the music is not accessible, and has been frustrating.  It has been this way since I bought it a few months ago.  I have continued to use my McIntosh MS750 waiting on your new firmware to see if it will work better.  My BDP-2 won't upgrade over the internet.  I have tried 10 times today alone.  It keeps getting part way there, crashing, rebooting and getting new ip addresses from the router.  I gave up on static ip addresses weeks ago when it wouldn't stay set.  Now it just acquires a new pair of addresses each time it reboots.  It is up to .64 and .65 as I write this.  I have tried connecting only one ethernet port and connecting both ethernet ports and neither way helps. I have attached a jpg of the screen.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95566)

When the update process hangs, it puts up a window requiring BDP authorization.  Then, no matter what I put in there, it tells me I am not authorized.

The only thing I have done to the unit since getting it is put an sad in it with some FLAC files since it wouldn't stream any from any of my NAS servers.  Please help before I give up and go back to SONOS.  It is now in service mode and gives a number 14.

Hi,

 I went to take a look for it, but it appears that either the service number has changed or it's been turned off or someway disconnected.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gaustabl on 1 Mar 2014, 07:23 am
Hello.
I am currenly using the latest build, and have an issue with albums and album art. It doesn't seem to find all albums on my drive, and not all album art on the albums it finds. If i use the browse function, i can browse to the albums it does not find, and if i play them, it displays album art, and everything is fine. I just dont get the albums to display under artist or album view.
Best regards
Lars
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 1 Mar 2014, 09:39 am
latest build won't find any media at all anymore in default view......!

refeshed cache, rebooted bdp, did it all, no succes  ;-(( back to Bonobo and Black WeeN satan in Album view again.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95615)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 1 Mar 2014, 11:53 am
Same thing happened to me last night. All of a sudden it would not see my library after I spent the night before updating it. Unplugged, rebooted PC, BDP, NAS, etc... Its almost like it lost connection since even a reboot from the system tab did nothing but I was still able to talk to it in some cases.

End of the story, I deleted me NAS setup and added it again. Had to wait for the library to get rebuilt and it's working again.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Mar 2014, 12:17 pm
Hi Folks,

Here is mine at home - 2 systems one with NAS - worked fine. :scratch:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95617)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95618)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95619)

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 1 Mar 2014, 01:57 pm
Hi James,

I see you have playlists. I've been asking for those ever since the beta program since mine are lost....
How did you make these in MM?
I take it the Genres item is the new feature Chris implemented ?
Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Mar 2014, 04:39 pm
Hi James,

I see you have playlists. I've been asking for those ever since the beta program since mine are lost....
How did you make these in MM?
I take it the Genres item is the new feature Chris implemented ?
Cheers Marius

Hi Marius

The Tag is listed but Chris still has to implement the ability to create playlist - coming soon :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 1 Mar 2014, 05:01 pm
Hi James,

I've found it finally after unplugging the bdp. (Last firmware upgrade made it unresponsive )

Before, I just added the .mru files in a certain folder in the Bdp root, only forgot which one ..
Since I used them as presets for my internet radio stations, sure hope Chris will chime in soon and disclose where these .mru files need to be stored . Especially now bradio isn't working and might not be working soon again.

Cheers Marius


Hi Marius

The Tag is listed but Chris still has to implement the ability to create playlist - coming soon :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 1 Mar 2014, 05:34 pm
HI Chris,

About the media player/browser please let me ask this:

- will the "Add all song", by clicking the top folder listing, be implemented? Clicking it now doesn't do anything
- will you make this folder-tree screen estate adapt to the nesting of the  folder structure ? It is too small at this moment for deeper folders
- could you make these breadcrumbs clickable? now we have to click back until a desired folder is reached, clickable breadcrumbs would facilitate this so much faster
- related to the above, could you implement a Home button, bringing it back to the root?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95642)

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gaustabl on 1 Mar 2014, 08:48 pm
Hello.
I have been trying the new interface during the weekend on my macbook, on ipads and on my htc one, implemented into irule remote. I think it looks very promising, and i personally like the album view best. Using it inside irule either on my htc, iphone or ipad is the most likely scenario for me since i then have an option to control volume within the same program/app.  When I use the artist view it shows albums together with songs, but i would rather have it as album view, narrowed down to the selected artist. Maybe it could be possible to toggle the two views?

This would make it more usable on handheld devices in my humble opinion.

Best regards
Lars
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Mar 2014, 12:31 pm
HI Chris,

Although latest build is making Shares and individual folders on these shares easier. possible, lots of issues arise....

to select network-folders as bdp browsable music libraries, i find the options and settings it requires very daunting, unnecessary technical,  and, to be honest, very uncomfortable. And frustratingly trial and error. Having to select Windows or Apple network in advance, subfolders are displaying or not. One has to select out of the very many displayed shares, all with the same name but different ip numbers... Selecting a subfolder works, ...or not, showing only the up and down arrow.

Why don't you just implement a browser, with which the user browses to and selects a folder to share (like in the Audio Circle when selecting an image to display in the posts...), apply login and password if required, and click Share. All other technical stuff could/should be left out preferably.

Please have a look?

cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Mar 2014, 10:51 pm
latest build won't find any media at all anymore in default view......!

refeshed cache, rebooted bdp, did it all, no succes  ;-(( back to Bonobo and Black WeeN satan in Album view again.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95615)

Marius,

How do we not know that you love our drop in picture so much that you set it as the cover art for all your albums.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Mar 2014, 10:58 pm
Hi James,

I've found it finally after unplugging the bdp. (Last firmware upgrade made it unresponsive )

Before, I just added the .mru files in a certain folder in the Bdp root, only forgot which one ..
Since I used them as presets for my internet radio stations, sure hope Chris will chime in soon and disclose where these .mru files need to be stored . Especially now bradio isn't working and might not be working soon again.

Cheers Marius

Hi Marius,

Playlist files should go in /mnt/img/playlists, I think the extension may need to be changes to pls from mru

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: werd on 3 Mar 2014, 12:17 am
Can we hurry up and get this done. I'm stuck in a playlist and can't get out. :nono:
 :lol:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Mar 2014, 07:17 am
Thanks!

only thing is i m not allowed to view, nor write to it
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95796)
....

seems one has to be logged into the drive. Can you provide the ssh command to make the mnt/img/playlists folder, so i can copy my old playlists here please?

and, before they were .m3u files that still correct?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95797)


Cheers,
Marius




Hi Marius,

Playlist files should go in /mnt/img/playlists, I think the extension may need to be changes to pls from mru

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Mar 2014, 07:19 am
Hi Chris,

Ive enabled the setting for showing file resolution, but don't see whether its 16 or 24 bit. You have another option somewhere for that hidden in the interface?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 3 Mar 2014, 07:23 am
Thanks to everyone, Chris, Bryston, and everyone who participates in this beta testing. I've programmed before and I understand how valuable it is to get beta feedback. I also have beta tested as a user, and I know how frustrating that can be. So thanks to all of you for taking your time to help make this firmware release the best it can be.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Mar 2014, 02:11 am
HI Chris,

Although latest build is making Shares and individual folders on these shares easier. possible, lots of issues arise....

to select network-folders as bdp browsable music libraries, i find the options and settings it requires very daunting, unnecessary technical,  and, to be honest, very uncomfortable. And frustratingly trial and error. Having to select Windows or Apple network in advance, subfolders are displaying or not. One has to select out of the very many displayed shares, all with the same name but different ip numbers... Selecting a subfolder works, ...or not, showing only the up and down arrow.

Why don't you just implement a browser, with which the user browses to and selects a folder to share (like in the Audio Circle when selecting an image to display in the posts...), apply login and password if required, and click Share. All other technical stuff could/should be left out preferably.

Please have a look?

cheers,
Marius

Hi marius,

Your points are valid; I think some of the confusion comes with a lack explanation and the fact that it isn't totally done yet.  The AFP ability is limited in comparison to samba and this isn't addressed in the wizard yet.  Making a browser like the one you recommended would be rather complicated. 

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Mar 2014, 02:13 am
Thanks!

only thing is i m not allowed to view, nor write to it
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95796)
....

seems one has to be logged into the drive. Can you provide the ssh command to make the mnt/img/playlists folder, so i can copy my old playlists here please?

and, before they were .m3u files that still correct?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95797)


Cheers,
Marius

I'll have to change some permissions, in the mean time log in using the user name root rather then bryston, the password is also bryston.  Or ssh into the BDP and enter the command

chown -R bryston /mnt

Yes, m3u, I thought you said something different earlier.


Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Mar 2014, 02:18 am
Hi Chris,

Ive enabled the setting for showing file resolution, but don't see whether its 16 or 24 bit. You have another option somewhere for that hidden in the interface?

Marius

Hi Marius,

I could have sworn I was showing that information, keep in mind it only gathers that information for certain file types.  Flac works I know for sure and mp3 doesn't; I don't know about other formats.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Mar 2014, 06:39 am
nope, cant see it:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95847)
no 24 bit displayed. It's a 24b 44.1 flac file. Resolution confirmed in Audirvana +.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95848)
Please check how Audirvana displays album information, MM can adopt this?

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

I could have sworn I was showing that information, keep in mind it only gathers that information for certain file types.  Flac works I know for sure and mp3 doesn't; I don't know about other formats.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Mar 2014, 06:41 am
Chris,

I always ssh in as root@bryston-bdp-1.local

and, in this case, to no avail, it doesn't change the permissions. Or should i reboot after that? As i am in developer mode, maybe i have to change that with a command in MM? Root is always displayed in Mac/Finder.

Marius

I'll have to change some permissions, in the mean time log in using the user name root rather then bryston, the password is also bryston.  Or ssh into the BDP and enter the command

chown -R bryston /mnt

Yes, m3u, I thought you said something different earlier.


Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Mar 2014, 05:54 pm
nope, cant see it:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95847)
no 24 bit displayed. It's a 24b 44.1 flac file. Resolution confirmed in Audirvana +.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95848)
Please check how Audirvana displays album information, MM can adopt this?

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius

It is though, 44.1:24:2 that would be 44.1khz, 24bit, stereo; or do you mean for the currently playing song?

Cheers,
Chris

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 4 Mar 2014, 06:05 pm
It's visible when browsing the library, but I think Marius is saying it should be visible in the now playing window.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Mar 2014, 06:51 pm
Hi Chris,

Yes i meant the main (central) display. I see now you have an indication to the right in the track list ... Missed that before , sorry.

I think the 2 pics clearly indicate the issues I experience here, concerning file names folders and tracks. Audirvana seems to get it exactly right, where the MM display misses out on details in all listings.

Hope you are inspired by them!

Cheers
Marius

Hi Marius

It is though, 44.1:24:2 that would be 44.1khz, 24bit, stereo; or do you mean for the currently playing song?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Mar 2014, 11:05 pm
great! playlists are functional, and my internet radio streams are playing  :thumb:

somehow the display still lacks some info-feedback, but, after a long time of absence, thats minor detail.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95864)

Chris, thanks!

If you'd give us the option of editing these manually like before, that would be really nice. And, create the option of entering a web address in the interface somehow, for creating new ones, without having to hack into the root....




Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Mar 2014, 02:14 am
great! playlists are functional, and my internet radio streams are playing  :thumb:

somehow the display still lacks some info-feedback, but, after a long time of absence, thats minor detail.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95864)

Chris, thanks!

If you'd give us the option of editing these manually like before, that would be really nice. And, create the option of entering a web address in the interface somehow, for creating new ones, without having to hack into the root....




Marius

What would you guys say to taking a bit further and offering a page that allows you to send and receive data to and from MPD directly using the commands outlined in MPD's documentation?

http://www.musicpd.org/doc/protocol/

I don't think it would take long to create, we already have all the tools developed for the web interface; we would only need a telnet style web interface to issue the commands.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 5 Mar 2014, 02:29 am
Hi Chris,

So you mean basically implementing a command line UI? I think that would be fantastic.

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 5 Mar 2014, 06:55 am
Hi Chris,

not sure what you're aiming at, but never to stop possibilities of tweaking, so yes please investigate that.

That said, id opt for very simple and clean interface to add the internet streams. users that are not into computer programming do like their bdp as helpful as possible, and i fear that doesn't imply a command line interface in a linux kinda way.... were already to much on that in times.

besides, what would your command line option offer more than the option already built in with the scripts? And to what goal would we need it?

for internet radio, this is all we need....:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95873)

Marius

What would you guys say to taking a bit further and offering a page that allows you to send and receive data to and from MPD directly using the commands outlined in MPD's documentation?

http://www.musicpd.org/doc/protocol/

I don't think it would take long to create, we already have all the tools developed for the web interface; we would only need a telnet style web interface to issue the commands.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Mar 2014, 02:15 pm
HI Chris,

enjoying the internet radio streams again, thank you for enabling that!

some small quirks :

- the player info is incorrect and not updated adequately, and keeps coming back to Compadres by Paco de Lucia, a track ive played before.

- You see in the left panel what's playing, but the line is way too small to show it correctly, (but hovering shows it in a popup) didn't we have a button before to widen this view?
- the info window only shows a scrolling 'http" without any further address-info

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95922)


- in the right panel an entry with _BBC3 is displayed. I can't seem to find anything in the folder that this could be. How to take that away? Ive updated the mpd but that didn't resolve it.
- only clicking the plus makes the list active, while clicking the name is expected behaviour... will you change that in a future version?

- lastly: in the info window this scrolling of the track being played is what some of us have asked for long since. Could you enable this in the main window too, when a track has a file name too long for the available screen real-estate ?
- if so, please have that on the main frontpanel of the BDP too.... now that would be really super!



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95921)

Cheers!
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 6 Mar 2014, 02:20 pm
Hi Chris,

What's the eventual plan for the home page - specifically the box that says BDP initial setup.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Mar 2014, 02:46 pm
HI,

Just noticed the bdp frontpanel display won't update to a cleared playlist. Even after pressing clear in the MM, the last track is being displayed (it is cleared in MM)
Anyone else with this?

btw, the bdp-playlists  don't show up in MPOD. Can you solve this Chris?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Mar 2014, 03:58 pm
Hi Marius

The Playlists created in MM do show up in my MPOD amd MPAD ?

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Mar 2014, 05:24 pm
Dont know what changed the bdp's mind, but just now the playlists appeared in mpod too!  :scratch:

The _bbc3 included....

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95938)

Marius

Hi Marius

The Playlists created in MM do show up in my MPOD amd MPAD ?

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Mar 2014, 02:27 am
Hi Marius,

The folders beginning with ._ followed by the same folder name as an existing folder I believe are temp folders made by Mac OS X.  I have been meaning for years now to create a program to help clean these and other system related files up, but the pursuit of a better interface has always taken priority.  Perhaps once manic moose is finally released I can find the time to work in these other things.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Mar 2014, 02:40 am
The info page was working when I had first made, but now for whatever reason it appears to be all busted to hell.  So far what I can gather is it saves the new tag data but creates a new id3v2/1 entry and MPD ignores the new entry, skipping over it and going to the original.  The info page won't pick up data from a radio station, I'll have to add a source check for streaming radio.

It shouldn't be to hard to allow for a scrolling option, just the setting plus some optional tags.  I'll need to see how the existing page reacts to the tags though.  Otherwise it might take some more work on our web designer, luckily we pay him in complements.  :wink:

The middle of the dashboard is going to be a messaging system to inform the user of system changes / crashes / prompts.

When you first install manic moose it'll ask you to register (optional), choose a drive to act as the scratch drive, plug in some music to get started, ask you what you want to do when a cd or USB drive is plugged in, if you want to setup a NAS if no drives or attached and you don't have any USB drives to plug in, etc

There is no more button to widen, the web designer and I both agree'd it didn't go with the flow and would compromise the media player's ability to resize for handheld devices.  For the time being the button between switch to default view and artist view, should be song view should do the trick.  A song view didn't make sense as there's no way a tablet could display the details of 10,000 songs much less 70,000 or more at once.  So the song view is the playlist view.

The VFD display isn't likely to see scrolling titles due to how it was made, that will likely be a BDP-3 thing.  No we are not releasing a BDP-3 along side manic moose, nor is one even in the works.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Mar 2014, 07:00 am
Cleaning up of these so called Mac folders/files is done with good result by the apps Blueharvest (automatically on each drive) and tinker tools (loads of great options)
I've posted on that before on AC.

This is not one of these though, no hidden folder /file to be found.  :scratch: I stand corrected... in hidden files settings of Mac/finder no hidden file was displayed. fired up my good old Tinkertools, and bingo, files discovered and deleted without a problem:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95949)

Chris, how to change the order of these files? How are they sorted? and, can we make a subdivision in these playlists?

Marius



Hi Marius,

The folders beginning with ._ followed by the same folder name as an existing folder I believe are temp folders made by Mac OS X.  I have been meaning for years now to create a program to help clean these and other system related files up, but the pursuit of a better interface has always taken priority.  Perhaps once manic moose is finally released I can find the time to work in these other things.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Mar 2014, 04:28 pm
Cleaning up of these so called Mac folders/files is done with good result by the apps Blueharvest (automatically on each drive) and tinker tools (loads of great options)
I've posted on that before on AC.

This is not one of these though, no hidden folder /file to be found.  :scratch: I stand corrected... in hidden files settings of Mac/finder no hidden file was displayed. fired up my good old Tinkertools, and bingo, files discovered and deleted without a problem:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95949)

Chris, how to change the order of these files? How are they sorted? and, can we make a subdivision in these playlists?

Marius

Thats a good question..... i don't know and hopefully I won't be a liar when i say.... yet

I would have thought they would be listed in alphabetical order as they would be in the file system.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Mar 2014, 06:54 pm
Chris,

don't know what's up, but after upgrading to 0306, all kinds of networking issues are occurring. Missing the bdp in Finder, no media displayed in MM, lost connections in MPOD. coming and going of these.

Cant chown -R bryston /mnt to the folder playliststs anymore (which i kind of liked ).

Anything you suggest i'd do?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 7 Mar 2014, 08:39 pm
I've had some odd behavior with 0306 too. I can't get the system restart function to work. Clearing the playlist isn't reflected in the web UI until I manually refresh the page.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Mar 2014, 03:20 pm
HI Chris,

Thanks for the latest update, showing bit depth and scrolling marquee.

The latter though still doesn't solve the issue of not showing all info desired,


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96033)
 have a look at these previously posted pictures. The marquee now shows only Tallis and Andrew Carwood - Tallis, while the Audirvana screenshot shows whats available in the tags, and how nicely displayed that can/should be:



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95847)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95848)

Please check how Audirvana displays album information, MM can adopt this?

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BrystonNut on 8 Mar 2014, 07:33 pm
Hello,


I have tried to update my BDP1 a couple times to no avail...only 3 of the six files will download using the links in this thread.


I would really love to try out MMS2 any help on getting it done would be great!


Please advise.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Mar 2014, 08:30 pm
Hi Chris,

Just found out we can use the shairplay successfully! Streaming BBC3 from my iPhone Tunein pro app right now . Amazing.
Only thing is the front panel display is black showing no activity. Will you update this anytime soon?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96051)

Great substitute for Bradio , although the shairplay may not use the utmost of bit depth and resolution possible .

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Mar 2014, 10:13 pm
Hi Chris,

Bitdepth is not quit correct on this one:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96054)

definitely a 16 bit MP3 file:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96055)

How come?

Marius


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Mar 2014, 04:34 pm
Chris,

don't know what's up, but after upgrading to 0306, all kinds of networking issues are occurring. Missing the bdp in Finder, no media displayed in MM, lost connections in MPOD. coming and going of these.

Cant chown -R bryston /mnt to the folder playliststs anymore (which i kind of liked ).

Anything you suggest i'd do?

Marius

Sounds like the IP address assigned to the BDP has changed.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Mar 2014, 04:39 pm
Hello,


I have tried to update my BDP1 a couple times to no avail...only 3 of the six files will download using the links in this thread.


I would really love to try out MMS2 any help on getting it done would be great!


Please advise.

Make sure your copying the entire link, a couple of the links are so long some people don't notice that the link continues to the next line.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Mar 2014, 04:42 pm
Hi Chris,

Just found out we can use the shairplay successfully! Streaming BBC3 from my iPhone Tunein pro app right now . Amazing.
Only thing is the front panel display is black showing no activity. Will you update this anytime soon?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96051)

Great substitute for Bradio , although the shairplay may not use the utmost of bit depth and resolution possible .

Cheers Marius

Should be fine, it should stream at 48KHz 16 bit loss less, so anything compressed (like streaming radio)  should be fine and not suffer any loss in quality.  Also if your using a Mac you can set the output device in system presences as the BDP, there is delay though so it really isn't any good for video.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Mar 2014, 04:43 pm
HI Chris,

Thanks for the latest update, showing bit depth and scrolling marquee.

The latter though still doesn't solve the issue of not showing all info desired,


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96033)
 have a look at these previously posted pictures. The marquee now shows only Tallis and Andrew Carwood - Tallis, while the Audirvana screenshot shows whats available in the tags, and how nicely displayed that can/should be:



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95847)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95848)

Please check how Audirvana displays album information, MM can adopt this?

Cheers,
Marius

Perhaps its because i'm not displaying all the tag data, like composer?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Mar 2014, 08:04 pm
Hi Marius,

By the way I also made some changes to the way the Bryston database gets built, it may still crash the BDP; but if it does it should tell you about and hopefully work the second time around.  Eventually I hope to develop a reporting system once we have our dedicated server up and running.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Mar 2014, 09:08 pm
Hasn't crashed yet.
Only locked up or disconnected from the network... :D

Keep it up , starts looking good !

Marius

Hi Marius,

By the way I also made some changes to the way the Bryston database gets built, it may still crash the BDP; but if it does it should tell you about and hopefully work the second time around.  Eventually I hope to develop a reporting system once we have our dedicated server up and running.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Mar 2014, 09:55 pm
Hi Chris,

Somehow MM shows the last played music file when playing one of the playlist radio streams , in this case Avro de Klassieken...
It's strange because I had cleared the playlist. Bdp remembers anyhow?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96151)

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 11 Mar 2014, 11:26 am
Just "lost" my entire library again. Trying to rebuild my NAS library...again

And when I look to see if there is any new firmware updates, the link listed does not seem to be working for me.

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Mar 2014, 03:33 pm
Just "lost" my entire library again. Trying to rebuild my NAS library...again

And when I look to see if there is any new firmware updates, the link listed does not seem to be working for me.

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/

Hello,

Your link appears to be incomplete, follow these instructions to update the firmware

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Upgrading%20Manic%20Moose.pdf

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Mar 2014, 03:34 pm
Hi Chris,

Somehow MM shows the last played music file when playing one of the playlist radio streams , in this case Avro de Klassieken...
It's strange because I had cleared the playlist. Bdp remembers anyhow?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96151)

Marius

Hi Marius,

These are little issues that we still need to deal with, todays firmware should address that issue.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Mar 2014, 05:04 pm
Great Chris!

And, since beauty is in the  eye of the beholder, would you change the representation of the Bdp in shairplay into something less prosaic than the MAC address used now ?

Please re-enable the downloading of the firmware onto the usb Thumbdrives again Chris, they've disappeared from the drop down box again.

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 11 Mar 2014, 05:23 pm
Hello,

Your link appears to be incomplete, follow these instructions to update the firmware

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Upgrading%20Manic%20Moose.pdf

Cheers,
Chris

Chris I have triple checked the link against the PDF listed in the instructions and unless I am blind (possible) I dont see how the link listed in my BDP and the link in the pdf differ.

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Mar 2014, 08:35 pm
Chris I have triple checked the link against the PDF listed in the instructions and unless I am blind (possible) I dont see how the link listed in my BDP and the link in the pdf differ.

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/

Did you follow the instructions in the PDF file?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 11 Mar 2014, 08:39 pm
Did you follow the instructions in the PDF file?

Cheers,
Chris

1. Navigate to the BDP dashboard - check
1. Click “Update Firmware” - check
2. Click “Advanced” - check

That' is as far as I get. There are no versions to choose from
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 11 Mar 2014, 09:11 pm
It sounds like your BDP is on the LAN but not the Internet...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 11 Mar 2014, 09:15 pm
It sounds like your BDP is on the LAN but not the Internet...

It is going into my router but it is the same router this computer goes thorough. I was able to update it like that prior.

A far as the NAS, had to remove it and re-add it. now wait a until the library rebuilds.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Mar 2014, 09:16 pm
Great Chris!

And, since beauty is in the  eye of the beholder, would you change the representation of the Bdp in shairplay into something less prosaic than the MAC address used now ?

Please re-enable the downloading of the firmware onto the usb Thumbdrives again Chris, they've disappeared from the drop down box again.

Marius
Hi Marius,

Changing the shairplay name will come eventually under the advanced menu.... once i get around to making it that is.

Regarding the thumb drives, you should check the amount of free space available on each of the drives.  If its less then 1025MB it won't show as the BDP has deemed it non usable.

Cheers,
Chris

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Mar 2014, 09:18 pm
It is going into my router but it is the same router this computer goes thorough. I was able to update it like that prior.

A far as the NAS, had to remove it and re-add it. now wait a until the library rebuilds.

Ok, sorry i though you where typing the address into your browser and trying to get to the pages manually.  Is the BDP set to use a static IP address or DHCP?  It sounds like its unable to connect to the internet to contact our server hosting the files.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 11 Mar 2014, 09:23 pm
Ok, sorry i though you where typing the address into your browser and trying to get to the pages manually.  Is the BDP set to use a static IP address or DHCP?  It sounds like its unable to connect to the internet to contact our server hosting the files.

Cheers,
Chris

DHCP. I'll try to reboot my router later.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Mar 2014, 09:57 pm
Check, problem solved....
didn't know that, thanks.

Marius

Hi Marius,

Changing the shairplay name will come eventually under the advanced menu.... once i get around to making it that is.

Regarding the thumb drives, you should check the amount of free space available on each of the drives.  If its less then 1025MB it won't show as the BDP has deemed it non usable.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Mar 2014, 04:21 pm
Hey Chris,

Clicking the Update button makes is blue for a very long while, even when only a few music files have been added. Is it checking the full database? before we had the option of updating a specific folder added to the generic update action. Is it still there, or, if not, could you reinstate that?

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 14 Mar 2014, 06:03 pm
Guys, I'm at a loss now.

I can see (ping) my bdp2 just fine. I can go into the dashboard and check the network interfaces. The BDP2 has an IP address via DHCP.

BUT....I can't play music. I re add the NAS , I add the files and it wont play. I also can't update the firmware nor reboot it via the interface.

So it's like it's online but not online. Everything runs on a router, same network. Rebooted router...

Thx for the help
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Mar 2014, 06:25 pm
Hey Chris,

Clicking the Update button makes is blue for a very long while, even when only a few music files have been added. Is it checking the full database? before we had the option of updating a specific folder added to the generic update action. Is it still there, or, if not, could you reinstate that?

Cheers,
Marius

Its updating the entire database, I have yet to figure out how to implement a system for updating specific parts of the file system.  Ideally what i would like to do list as you browser the file folder structure using Media Player, list any folders/songs that arn't in the database as red and that would trigger an update for just that folder.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Mar 2014, 06:27 pm
Guys, I'm at a loss now.

I can see (ping) my bdp2 just fine. I can go into the dashboard and check the network interfaces. The BDP2 has an IP address via DHCP.

BUT....I can't play music. I re add the NAS , I add the files and it wont play. I also can't update the firmware nor reboot it via the interface.

So it's like it's online but not online. Everything runs on a router, same network. Rebooted router...

Thx for the help

Hello,

you should try turning the bdp off, back on and and check the IP address from the front of the unit by pushing the down button. If its still the same IP address that you have been using perhaps consider placing the BDP into service mode and emailing me the service number.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0nfBG5xDrA

crice[at]bryston[dot]com

cheers,
chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Mar 2014, 06:32 pm
that would be awesome indeed!
But, didn't we have this selective updating before? I would have sworn so, it didn't take this much time, in LL.

btw, sample is not showing anymore, either in Flac or mp3?

Marius

Its updating the entire database, I have yet to figure out how to implement a system for updating specific parts of the file system.  Ideally what i would like to do list as you browser the file folder structure using Media Player, list any folders/songs that arn't in the database as red and that would trigger an update for just that folder.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 14 Mar 2014, 06:58 pm
Hello,

you should try turning the bdp off, back on and and check the IP address from the front of the unit by pushing the down button. If its still the same IP address that you have been using perhaps consider placing the BDP into service mode and emailing me the service number.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0nfBG5xDrA

crice[at]bryston[dot]com

cheers,
chris

Unplugged BDP and let it sit, still nothing and the IP on the screen of the the BDP is the same one I am using. It show one connection is offline and the other with the ip address.  I will try to do the service thing. Or maybe we should take this offline. This plus the stripped screw, etc... and at this point I think I just want to have a drive mounted. I've invested a lot of money in my system and want to come home from work and just listen and relax. Funny how the "fragile" media wind up being the only thing I can listen too (vinyl).

Cheers,
Michael
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Mar 2014, 10:05 pm
0314 won't load? Shows and disappears immediately. Download fails.

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 14 Mar 2014, 11:01 pm
Unplugged BDP and let it sit, still nothing and the IP on the screen of the the BDP is the same one I am using. It show one connection is offline and the other with the ip address.  I will try to do the service thing. Or maybe we should take this offline. This plus the stripped screw, etc... and at this point I think I just want to have a drive mounted. I've invested a lot of money in my system and want to come home from work and just listen and relax. Funny how the "fragile" media wind up being the only thing I can listen too (vinyl).

Cheers,
Michael

I'm back in biz, updated firmware on router, re-configured...and voila.

Please don't take offense to my "fragile" comment above. I was just having this conversation with someone as we become more and more advanced, we become more fragile. You can use books and the Kindle example, with no power you Kindle will become useless.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Mar 2014, 05:00 am
that would be awesome indeed!
But, didn't we have this selective updating before? I would have sworn so, it didn't take this much time, in LL.

btw, sample is not showing anymore, either in Flac or mp3?

Marius

We did, we had an update button just below the column containing the library labeled update, i'm just not sure where to place the button in the new interface as so it fits and doesn't look rushed.  I thought by showing files/folders that don't exist in the library view would be a good way of doing this and we could turn the option on and off in the media player settings.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Mar 2014, 05:01 am
0314 won't load? Shows and disappears immediately. Download fails.

Marius

Yah there was a typo at my end, should be working now
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Mar 2014, 05:02 am
I'm back in biz, updated firmware on router, re-configured...and voila.

Please don't take offense to my "fragile" comment above. I was just having this conversation with someone as we become more and more advanced, we become more fragile. You can use books and the Kindle example, with no power you Kindle will become useless.

Just glad its working Micheal  :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Mar 2014, 09:03 am
The button was kind of handy, and worked very adequately. Add files, push the button and good to go.
If you see a good place to fit it in, i wouldn't mind  :thumb:

The simplicity of it was very nice. I think your suggestton is great too, but maybe requires the user to read all option and set them, before things work? Having options and settings to tweak is a wonderful thing, but simplicity of operation is another essential asset  :scratch:


M


We did, we had an update button just below the column containing the library labeled update, i'm just not sure where to place the button in the new interface as so it fits and doesn't look rushed.  I thought by showing files/folders that don't exist in the library view would be a good way of doing this and we could turn the option on and off in the media player settings.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Mar 2014, 09:14 pm
Hi Chris,

Dont  know when this started , but lately the frontpanel display blacks out while playing. Is this a new setting? Can we change that?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Mar 2014, 10:17 am
Hi Chris,

Something's up in the url for updating firmware, it looks at http://bryston-bdp-1.local/firmware/index.html?Mon%20Mar%2017%202014%2011:13:34%20GMT+0100%20(CET), and gives no result.. Chris, whats the url to check for updating firmware to the latest version?

Marius
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96462)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Mar 2014, 08:44 pm
Hi Chris,

Something's up in the url for updating firmware, it looks at http://bryston-bdp-1.local/firmware/index.html?Mon%20Mar%2017%202014%2011:13:34%20GMT+0100%20(CET), and gives no result.. Chris, whats the url to check for updating firmware to the latest version?

Marius
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96462)

Well the extra bits, ? followed by the date and time are there to force your browser to refresh the contents of the page rather then potentially reload data from cache.  As to why your BDP isn't loading the list of available firmware revisions, my best guess is its unable to make it out to the internet.  I'd try powercycling the BDP and if its still not working your router and anything between the router and BDP.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 17 Mar 2014, 08:58 pm
Chris,

I don't know if my problems are related to above but I keep losing "internet connectivity" because the default gateway on my BDP is always wrong. I can't seem to change it. Once in a while I can get it to take the right default gateway and then I am good. But it seems that once I turn off the BDP it just resets back.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Mar 2014, 01:19 am
Chris,

I don't know if my problems are related to above but I keep losing "internet connectivity" because the default gateway on my BDP is always wrong. I can't seem to change it. Once in a while I can get it to take the right default gateway and then I am good. But it seems that once I turn off the BDP it just resets back.

Hi

What is the default gateway suppose to be and what does it set itself to?  My units usually show my routers netbios name rather then then the IP address and at most I might need to restart the BDP before downloading firmware.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 18 Mar 2014, 08:06 am
it show 192.168.1.255 but it should read 192.168.1.254.

I wound up fixing it last night after playing with it for over 2 hours. (changing, rebooting, etc).

I was using interface 1. I swapped interfaces, so put the Ethernet cable in interface 0. But before I did that I set interface 0 to a fixed IP and with the correct gateway and it works now but still afraid to turn BDO off.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Mar 2014, 01:18 am
it show 192.168.1.255 but it should read 192.168.1.254.

I wound up fixing it last night after playing with it for over 2 hours. (changing, rebooting, etc).

I was using interface 1. I swapped interfaces, so put the Ethernet cable in interface 0. But before I did that I set interface 0 to a fixed IP and with the correct gateway and it works now but still afraid to turn BDO off.

Hmm I doubt that's the issue, I keep forgetting to fix it; but sometime manic moose will display the broadcast address instead of the gateway address.  The gateway address, although display'd incorrectly is likely correct.

You can confirm by entering the following into an address bar of a web browser

http://<the BDP's IP address>/secure/com.php?c=/sbin/ifconfig

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Mar 2014, 07:14 am
HIChris,

My internet streams are playing, so the BDP does see the internet. Updating still doesn't work though. Ive rebooted the bdp, briefly saw a list of available firmware versions, but again, nothing s showing, and the firmware field in the settings remains an empty list....

can you provide an shh routine to upgrade maybe?

btw, i'm on 0314, and thats when the upgrading-issues started to arise.

Thanks,.
Marius


Well the extra bits, ? followed by the date and time are there to force your browser to refresh the contents of the page rather then potentially reload data from cache.  As to why your BDP isn't loading the list of available firmware revisions, my best guess is its unable to make it out to the internet.  I'd try powercycling the BDP and if its still not working your router and anything between the router and BDP.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 21 Mar 2014, 10:07 pm
Chris,

Internet streams are not playing after all, but still shows the last in the front panel, if that is active, since most of the time it won't do anything . And is black .. :scratch:

When hanging, the Bdp won't react to the remote (other than power on and off) , but seems to respond to mpod, not playing anything. Rebooted all, including router, but still no success..

After having powered off and on (with the remote), the Bdp seems back to normal, so why is this different from rebooting from within MM?

Seems a bit fragile all in all.

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Mar 2014, 03:05 am
Chris,

Internet streams are not playing after all, but still shows the last in the front panel, if that is active, since most of the time it won't do anything . And is black .. :scratch:

When hanging, the Bdp won't react to the remote (other than power on and off) , but seems to respond to mpod, not playing anything. Rebooted all, including router, but still no success..

After having powered off and on (with the remote), the Bdp seems back to normal, so why is this different from rebooting from within MM?

Seems a bit fragile all in all.

Marius

rebooting from within the firmware relies on the software to restart, using the power button on the front issues a command to the firmware to tell it to turn off.  The firmware takes about 8-10 seconds to shutdown, however after 30 seconds the power supply is turned off regardless of the firmware has shut down or not.  As to why the firmware is locking up in the first place i can't really say with out more information.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gaustabl on 24 Mar 2014, 04:54 pm
I have not yet been able to browse throug my whole album collectin in album view on any of my ipads. After three pages, or maybe four the browser exits. I am the only one with this problem ?

Best regards Lars
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Mar 2014, 07:56 pm
Hi Lars,

This is a resource issue, i would recommend using the search feature to narrow the results shown.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 25 Mar 2014, 01:30 pm
Hi Chris,

I recall you explaining that you load album covers 100 at a time as you scroll down. To overcome a resource issue, is it possible to unload previous sets? For instance, is it feasible to have only 300 loaded at a time anywhere in the library?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Mar 2014, 01:26 am
Hi Chris,

I recall you explaining that you load album covers 100 at a time as you scroll down. To overcome a resource issue, is it possible to unload previous sets? For instance, is it feasible to have only 300 loaded at a time anywhere in the library?

Tried that, loading the 300 was fine, problem is jumping to the correct location.  Problem is the old album view could load without issue, so I'd like to figure out the difference.  It'll get resolved, it's just low on our list of priorities due to everything else being so close to working.  Also we have the search features and the artist view that also works quite nicely.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Mar 2014, 07:10 pm
for what its worth, my MM gets terribly slow when loading the second set of 100 albums, up to the end-effect I click X on the browser tab (since no other interfacing is in view, hope you'll change that soon Chris), and fly through the albums on my Mpod/pad.

But, since I finally do see album art in the first place, after maybe one and a half year of  being without, i don't complain and patiently wait for Chris to fix it all  :thumb:
Marius

Tried that, loading the 300 was fine, problem is jumping to the correct location.  Problem is the old album view could load without issue, so I'd like to figure out the difference.  It'll get resolved, it's just low on our list of priorities due to everything else being so close to working.  Also we have the search features and the artist view that also works quite nicely.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 28 Mar 2014, 09:48 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96923)
Hi Chris,

Have a look how mm displays on mobile and desktop at the same time.
I couldn't get lastfm to stick in desktop, only found out yesterday it has been working after all, and indeed , it is saved correctly according to mobile .

Where can we find this top 40?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96922)

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 28 Mar 2014, 07:32 pm
Hi all,

A few questions regarding Manic Moose:

1. not all of my album covers are showing in album view - how do I rectify this ?
2. how do I add radio stations to the playlist ?
3. within Media, it appears that the mouse arrow needs to be at the top of the file selection and not in general box areas - can this be changed,

Thanks all...

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Bavarian05 on 28 Mar 2014, 07:36 pm
Hi Chris,

Do we have a realistic date expectation yet for final release?

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 28 Mar 2014, 07:55 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96923)
Hi Chris,

Have a look how mm displays on mobile and desktop at the same time.
I couldn't get lastfm to stick in desktop, only found out yesterday it has been working after all, and indeed , it is saved correctly according to mobile .

Where can we find this top 40?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96922)

Thanks,
Marius

Hi Marius,

While you playback audio files after you have turned the MPD stats program on and restarted the BDP.  The BDP will begins tracking what music file you play, this is logged into an sqlite3 database file stored on the user partition of the BDP's internal storage.  When ever you list the playlists in media player, the BDP will generate a playlist of your top40 songs based on that database file.

There is a bug however where the program MPD-stats.pl launches before MPD has started and then immediately crashes.  you can check to see if mpd-stats.pl is running by enter the command

ps aux | grep mpd-stats.pl

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 28 Mar 2014, 08:00 pm
Hi Chris,

Do we have a realistic date expectation yet for final release?

Thanks,
Jason

Hi Jason,

Some time this spring, we are going to start shipping BDP's with the new firmware early April.  At that point we are expecting atleast some problems as the firmware is used by more people.  Once things begin to smooth out on shipping units we will release an official stable upgrade from loony loon to manic moose.  People can upgrade early if they'd like, but we don't intend on presenting it to people as a stable upgrade until after a little while.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 28 Mar 2014, 08:09 pm
Hi all,

A few questions regarding Manic Moose:

1. not all of my album covers are showing in album view - how do I rectify this ?
2. how do I add radio stations to the playlist ?
3. within Media, it appears that the mouse arrow needs to be at the top of the file selection and not in general box areas - can this be changed,

Thanks all...

Hello,

We have yet to implement any method to directly select cover art to use; something is coming eventually.  I'm the mean time you can clear the .albums folder on your scratch drive and before building the album view again, enter settings (in media player) and you can prioritize 3 file names to use.

It's a little tricky because we also have a button for
Adding everything within the folder (the plus symbol) as well.  I can take another look it.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Mar 2014, 10:28 am
HI Chris,

i see a top40 in the playlist list, but clicking it does nothing.

your terminal command gives this:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96966)

with the 2 screendump i wanted to show that MM on desktop and Mobile have different result and feedback for  the same BDP status. Might have a look why this occurs, and correct?

btw, MM user feedback tends to be oriented on Pop/song oriented users. (top40, songs, etc etc) while many users, and i am one of them, have other libraries as well. Why not try to look for some terms that come close to those too? If you'd use the word track instead of song, it would come closer to the classical library of many a user. Add full album, instead of add all songs,  while the majority of these recordings is not song oriented at all
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96971)

etc etc.. just a thought, no big deal, would be great  :thumb:

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

While you playback audio files after you have turned the MPD stats program on and restarted the BDP.  The BDP will begins tracking what music file you play, this is logged into an sqlite3 database file stored on the user partition of the BDP's internal storage.  When ever you list the playlists in media player, the BDP will generate a playlist of your top40 songs based on that database file.

There is a bug however where the program MPD-stats.pl launches before MPD has started and then immediately crashes.  you can check to see if mpd-stats.pl is running by enter the command

ps aux | grep mpd-stats.pl

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Mar 2014, 06:34 pm
HI Chris,

talked about .pls playlists before, is there any reason why the BDP won't play BBC Radio 3 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r3_aaclca.pls ?

Ive edited an .m3u file with this content, but it won't play.

BBC 3 is one of my favourites, so it would be great if the BDP would stream it...

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Mar 2014, 06:39 pm
Chris,

Is there a way to have the BDP use a VPN connection, to be able to play streams only available in certain regions? Can we edit the network settings in this way somehow?

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Mar 2014, 07:24 pm
HI Chris,

i see a top40 in the playlist list, but clicking it does nothing.

your terminal command gives this:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96966)

with the 2 screendump i wanted to show that MM on desktop and Mobile have different result and feedback for  the same BDP status. Might have a look why this occurs, and correct?

btw, MM user feedback tends to be oriented on Pop/song oriented users. (top40, songs, etc etc) while many users, and i am one of them, have other libraries as well. Why not try to look for some terms that come close to those too? If you'd use the word track instead of song, it would come closer to the classical library of many a user. Add full album, instead of add all songs,  while the majority of these recordings is not song oriented at all
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96971)

etc etc.. just a thought, no big deal, would be great  :thumb:

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

If mpd-stats.pl was running it show a line containing "/3rd/mpd-stats/mpd-stats.pl", it appears your experiencing an issue that we are aware of; I just havn't decided how I'd like to handle te fix.

I only see one screen shot and am not sure what the inconsistency is?

I'll take a look at the bbc3 radio station playlist when I get back from Montreal show.

I've used a neat proxy service that just requires changing the DNS server to one hosted by the proxy provider.  It should be easy enough to allow users to change this, I'll see about adding an option to specify DNS server in the network interface page.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Mar 2014, 10:40 pm
Great,

have a good show in Montreal. Looking forward to your fix and change of the DNS option.

the screenshot was not an inconsistency, only an example of the 'Song' oriented interface.

o wait, i now realise you're replying to several posts...

the inconsistency in the post before is clear:

it shows
mod 18.6 vs 17.5,
enable mpd watch and mpd stats, vs none selected,
last.fm is still on bryston, vs the other with  my login displayed correctly . All at the same time connected to the BDP.

they both are right and wrong on some.....

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

If mpd-stats.pl was running it show a line containing "/3rd/mpd-stats/mpd-stats.pl", it appears your experiencing an issue that we are aware of; I just havn't decided how I'd like to handle te fix.

I only see one screen shot and am not sure what the inconsistency is?

I'll take a look at the bbc3 radio station playlist when I get back from Montreal show.

I've used a neat proxy service that just requires changing the DNS server to one hosted by the proxy provider.  It should be easy enough to allow users to change this, I'll see about adding an option to specify DNS server in the network interface page.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 5 Apr 2014, 02:29 am
Hi Chris,

I used the 3/14 build at the Austin Audio Fest last weekend, and people loved it. It was a real treat to just hand people my IPad and see how quickly people could make the system sing!

I noticed that the webUI, MPDroid, and mPad all respect my .mpdignore rules on the drive, but the front panel controls do not. Any idea why this is?

Best regards,
Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 8 Apr 2014, 04:11 pm
Hi Chris,

A small observation: The main page lists the "BDP at nominal operation". I think you mean "normal". Otherwise, it's operating in name only - a sick joke to those having trouble with theirs  :lol:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: scottsol on 8 Apr 2014, 05:00 pm
Gary,

You are correct about "nominal", except that NASA has used "nominal" instead of "normal" since the 60's. If you are willing to state that Bryston products do not stand up to the reqjurements of "Space Age" designs than you can complain about the "misuse" of nominal.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Apr 2014, 01:06 am
Gary,

You are correct about "nominal", except that NASA has used "nominal" instead of "normal" since the 60's. If you are willing to state that Bryston products do not stand up to the reqjurements of "Space Age" designs than you can complain about the "misuse" of nominal.

These are the voyages of the USS Manic Moose, to explore strange new genres, to seek out new artists and albums, To go where no digital player has gone before

I felt nominal would infer it doesn't get any better then this

 :icon_lol:

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: scottsol on 9 Apr 2014, 02:43 am
Hey Chris,

While I have no problem with you're use of nominal, I do have to call you out on using "infer" when the correct usage is "imply". Perhaps the ability to write code impairs the speech centers of the brain.

Cheers,

The Wrath of God
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Apr 2014, 12:29 pm
Hi Chris,

will the latest build of firmware support the Apple USB Superdrive also? http://store.apple.com/nl/product/MD564ZM/A/apple-usb-superdrive?fnode=79

if so, on the bdp1 too?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Apr 2014, 01:51 pm
Hi Marius,

After reading blogs like this one

http://www.niftytechblog.com/2013/01/15/apple-usb-superdrive-a-cautionary-tale/

I'm guessing not, not because we made it that, but because apple did

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Apr 2014, 02:24 pm
 I know it has it's compatibility issues ;-)
edit

the superdrive is much more compatible with this small adjustment http://hints.macworld.com/comment.php?mode=view&cid=126979, and working just fine on my 'old' MacbookPro. Maybe some smart scripting can do the trick on the BDP1/2 too?


If not, is there a drive you'd advice us bdp1 users to try , thinking modern compatibility issues for having this drive hooked up to other pcs/macs to be able to read BD's?

Thanks!
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 12 Apr 2014, 10:02 am
Hello, it's been a while since I checked this thread... can anybody confirm that the new software provides more robust handling of USB memory sticks? Under 1.74 and earlier, swapping memory sticks occasionally prevents the BDP2 from reading the new drive, requiring a reboot. Also, if I attach a thumb drive too quickly after starting up, the front panel often registers single presses as double presses *) and I've seen playlists being looped while I specifically never switched on that option.

*) never happens if I attach the drive some 5-6 seconds after boot has completed (which I understand is the moment the pause sign changes to the stop sign on the panel

Cheers,

EJ
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Apr 2014, 08:05 pm
Hello, it's been a while since I checked this thread... can anybody confirm that the new software provides more robust handling of USB memory sticks? Under 1.74 and earlier, swapping memory sticks occasionally prevents the BDP2 from reading the new drive, requiring a reboot. Also, if I attach a thumb drive too quickly after starting up, the front panel often registers single presses as double presses *) and I've seen playlists being looped while I specifically never switched on that option.

*) never happens if I attach the drive some 5-6 seconds after boot has completed (which I understand is the moment the pause sign changes to the stop sign on the panel

Cheers,

EJ

Hi Ej

We threw out what we had for mounting USB drives and started over, it should be more robust; but because it has yet to be thoroughly tested we arn't sure yet just how well it works.  I say it hasn't been throughly tested simply because it's only been used by our selves and a handful of people using the beta.  ultimately we won't know how well it performs until people begin to use it.  It has been revamped with with the issues plagued by the earlier program in mind, we have added support for thumb drives that don't include partition tables and drives that use guid partitions rather then mbr (mbr is still supported) partition tables.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Apr 2014, 08:08 pm
I know it has it's compatibility issues ;-)
edit

the superdrive is much more compatible with this small adjustment http://hints.macworld.com/comment.php?mode=view&cid=126979, and working just fine on my 'old' MacbookPro. Maybe some smart scripting can do the trick on the BDP1/2 too?


If not, is there a drive you'd advice us bdp1 users to try , thinking modern compatibility issues for having this drive hooked up to other pcs/macs to be able to read BD's?

Thanks!
Marius

Hi Marius,

Just about any other USB drive should work, assuming you can meet the power requirements.  To get the feature to work on a BDP-1 I had to use a drive with its own power supply, in this case the revision 2 BOT.  You can get third party drives that have there own power supply or you can get a powered USB hub.  If you go the USB hub route be sure to get one that has a power adapter rated for atleast 2amps

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Apr 2014, 03:34 pm
wonder if this would be doing the job... http://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/MSMXBW4.0TB7/

Chris, would the drive be visible in Mac/Finder when connected to the BDP, just like any other usb drive?

ditching the 4TB harddrive,  this could be an option? http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/MR3F8BDSD16/

Marius

Hi Marius,

Just about any other USB drive should work, assuming you can meet the power requirements.  To get the feature to work on a BDP-1 I had to use a drive with its own power supply, in this case the revision 2 BOT.  You can get third party drives that have there own power supply or you can get a powered USB hub.  If you go the USB hub route be sure to get one that has a power adapter rated for atleast 2amps

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Apr 2014, 03:55 pm
Hi Chris,

Only now did I discover why I keep hitting wrong buttons on MM mobile (iPhone). I never really saw the various buttons really well because of lack of contrast.

Would it be possible to make it a slight bit more contrasty?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97939)

Thanks! Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 22 Apr 2014, 03:54 pm
Here's an interesting fault. I'm on the 0410 build. Loading the album view results in an endless scroll of what looks like the main status page.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98147)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Apr 2014, 02:48 pm
Here's an interesting fault. I'm on the 0410 build. Loading the album view results in an endless scroll of what looks like the main status page.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98147)

Yah i'm not sure what that is, i have noticed it on older builds as well just this week

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 24 Apr 2014, 07:09 am
HI Chris,

i was on 0410 and trying to upgrade, but the install-page is behaving very awkwardly . I cant seem to select any download, and the window keeps resizing somehow. Both on Mobile and desktop..Clicking install seems to start the process, but never finishes successfully. Showing the -1 files again.

Download it self seems to have been successful , so if you could show us hope to upgrade that through a terminal command, it would be most helpful.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98267)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98265)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98266)


Thanks!
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 24 Apr 2014, 12:53 pm
Marius, mine did the same thing. I removed all previously downloaded firmware leaving only the 0422 build. Rather than trying to select a version first, I simply clicked the install button and was able to install the new build. While this doesn't fix the bug, it does at least work around it so you can get the new build installed.
-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 24 Apr 2014, 06:25 pm
HI Gary,

thanks! but thats exactly what ive already done, have a look at the screenshot, only 0423 is available.

I still reacts with the -1 install.. :scratch: :scratch:

Hope Chris knows a way to fix this.

Marius

Marius, mine did the same thing. I removed all previously downloaded firmware leaving only the 0422 build. Rather than trying to select a version first, I simply clicked the install button and was able to install the new build. While this doesn't fix the bug, it does at least work around it so you can get the new build installed.
-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Apr 2014, 01:06 am
HI Chris,

i was on 0410 and trying to upgrade, but the install-page is behaving very awkwardly . I cant seem to select any download, and the window keeps resizing somehow. Both on Mobile and desktop..Clicking install seems to start the process, but never finishes successfully. Showing the -1 files again.

Download it self seems to have been successful , so if you could show us hope to upgrade that through a terminal command, it would be most helpful.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98267)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98265)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98266)


Thanks!
Marius

What Marius is experiencing here is a case of the browser not sending the variables to the server, the server has returned "-1" for the source and version not the selected firmware version and source.  As mentioned before you should try rebooting the BDP, refresh the page and try again.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 25 Apr 2014, 05:29 am
Chris,

Ive done all that, and several times... nothing helped.

I finally managed to update to 0424 by quickly trying to click install after loading the install page, in a game like way, because the window kept resizing and repositioning the button...

After updating, MPD was disabled, never had that before. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98326)

ive still to manage to play any track, because of unresponsiveness of MM, and it loading the defaults again
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98325)

cheers,
M

What Marius is experiencing here is a case of the browser not sending the variables to the server, the server has returned "-1" for the source and version not the selected firmware version and source.  As mentioned before you should try rebooting the BDP, refresh the page and try again.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Apr 2014, 02:14 pm
Chris,

Ive done all that, and several times... nothing helped.

I finally managed to update to 0424 by quickly trying to click install after loading the install page, in a game like way, because the window kept resizing and repositioning the button...

After updating, MPD was disabled, never had that before. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98326)

ive still to manage to play any track, because of unresponsiveness of MM, and it loading the defaults again
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98325)

cheers,
M

That message is new, I must have forgotten to mention it in the readme file and is meant to provide feedback if MPD ever crashes or doesn't start.

you may want to check the version of mpd that has been set in /mnt/img/mpd.set

Code: [Select]
cat /mnt/img/mpd.set
Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 26 Apr 2014, 04:57 am
Under Disk Info, the 'used' and 'available' fields are reversed.

Chris, this has been an issue for a while. Has no one else noticed this? It tells me that most of my drve is used and when I look at it from my PC the numbers read the opposite of what is shown in mm drive info.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 26 Apr 2014, 04:44 pm
Chris,

I have upgraded to the most recent firmware, but I am still unable to see my music albums with album view nor does it display the albums when playing. For clarity all of the album covers were shown in the loonyloon.

Tks,

Rich   
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 Apr 2014, 09:02 pm
Updating to 0425 is not succesful:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98447)


Chris, what to do?

Please chime in...

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Apr 2014, 04:40 pm
HI People,

Anyone to help please? Im executing the mac procedure right now on a CF card, imaging the LoonyLoon 173 firmware because of the faulty upgrade mentioned in an above post..

It is taking a really long time to do this though. Or rephrased: how to check if this terminal command is finished?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98504)

the cf card is invisible on my Finder-window.

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Apr 2014, 05:49 pm
HI People,

Anyone to help please? Im executing the mac procedure right now on a CF card, imaging the LoonyLoon 173 firmware because of the faulty upgrade mentioned in an above post..

It is taking a really long time to do this though. Or rephrased: how to check if this terminal command is finished?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98504)

the cf card is invisible on my Finder-window.

Thanks,
Marius

It'll take you back to a command prompt when it's finnished.  I'm not familiar enough with the dd command for unix, it seems to be different then the Linux version.  If you can specify byte size of around 1MB it should only take about ten to twenty minutes.  Doing bit by bit is going to take a few hours.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Apr 2014, 05:50 pm
Chris,

I have upgraded to the most recent firmware, but I am still unable to see my music albums with album view nor does it display the albums when playing. For clarity all of the album covers were shown in the loonyloon.

Tks,

Rich

Have you specified a scratch disk in the disk utility yet?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Apr 2014, 07:03 pm
went back to a windows machine and did the windows routine..... worked fine.

its loading 173 right now, and taking a while i guess.


don't you have an image of a MM version that was alright before. 2 steps back from 0425 was doing alright, now we have to rebuild it all ...

Please help me remember again: how to upgrade from LL to MM beta?

Cheers,
Marius

It'll take you back to a command prompt when it's finnished.  I'm not familiar enough with the dd command for unix, it seems to be different then the Linux version.  If you can specify byte size of around 1MB it should only take about ten to twenty minutes.  Doing bit by bit is going to take a few hours.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 28 Apr 2014, 01:53 pm
The most recent version of S2.01 2014-04-25 included fixes to issues from the previous firmware.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Apr 2014, 04:10 pm
HI Chris,

Not at my bdp right now, i can see on http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/avail you've upgraded to 0429, but thats all, no description of version changes is available here . Is there another way (website) to see the changes, while not being in MM software interface?

my specific interest: i would like to know whether 0429 fixes the bricking issue of 0425....

Thanks±!
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 1 May 2014, 12:58 am
HI Chris,

Not at my bdp right now, i can see on http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/manicmoose/avail you've upgraded to 0429, but thats all, no description of version changes is available here . Is there another way (website) to see the changes, while not being in MM software interface?

my specific interest: i would like to know whether 0429 fixes the bricking issue of 0425....

Thanks±!
Marius

Should, that's not to say April 30 won't introduce new bricking problems.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 1 May 2014, 01:14 am
Under Disk Info, the 'used' and 'available' fields are reversed.

Chris, this has been an issue for a while. Has no one else noticed this? It tells me that most of my drve is used and when I look at it from my PC the numbers read the opposite of what is shown in mm drive info.

Popping this back to the top since it got no responses before.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 1 May 2014, 04:03 pm
Popping this back to the top since it got no responses before.

Should be fixed in tonights update
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 1 May 2014, 06:34 pm
Thanks. I've been updating nightly. Everything has been smooth for me with that process. I tried a DSD file with yesterday's build, since it was listed as one of the enhancements, and it didn't play. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2014, 06:45 pm
Thanks. I've been updating nightly. Everything has been smooth for me with that process. I tried a DSD file with yesterday's build, since it was listed as one of the enhancements, and it didn't play. Am I missing something?

Hi

What DSD DAC are you using?

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 May 2014, 01:07 am
Thanks. I've been updating nightly. Everything has been smooth for me with that process. I tried a DSD file with yesterday's build, since it was listed as one of the enhancements, and it didn't play. Am I missing something?

You will still need a USB Dac capable of decoding DoP and set the dac to USB capable in the audio devices page.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 2 May 2014, 05:53 pm
Looks like a couple of minor page formatting issues crept into the 5/2 build. Otherwise, seems to be working well!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98786)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98788)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 May 2014, 04:52 am
Looks like a couple of minor page formatting issues crept into the 5/2 build. Otherwise, seems to be working well!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98786)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98788)

playing around with a few things to avoid another graphical glitch that is much more annoying
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 May 2014, 08:29 am
HI,

Thought i was safe in 0410 to upgrade to the todays version, which downloaded fine to my usb thumb drive, but alas, this is what keeps happening when clicking install ...



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98809)

Chris, is there a terminal command you can help me with, or do i gave to go back again to LL 1.73 and start all over?

Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 May 2014, 03:49 pm
Hi Marius,

I'd recommend trying the non advance method of updating the firmware.  You may also need to refresh the seperate update pages or even clear your cache.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 May 2014, 04:05 pm
It finally went after downloading another version thus forcing to make a choice between versions ... Seems odd but it worked.

Cache etall were cleared and refreshed several times, even rebooted the bdp twice.

Will try non advanced next time, though I have non idea what that means ,-)

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

I'd recommend trying the non advance method of updating the firmware.  You may also need to refresh the seperate update pages or even clear your cache.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 5 May 2014, 06:45 pm
I played a 96-24 wav file last night and I noticed that the sample rate that was displayed in MM showed 44.1K. I closed MM and opened it again and it continued to show 44.1K. I could have sworn that I saw it correctly showing the sample rate in the past. Not sure why it showed the wrong number last night. My SP2 clearly showed 96K for the file as it played.

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 May 2014, 01:28 am
I played a 96-24 wav file last night and I noticed that the sample rate that was displayed in MM showed 44.1K. I closed MM and opened it again and it continued to show 44.1K. I could have sworn that I saw it correctly showing the sample rate in the past. Not sure why it showed the wrong number last night. My SP2 clearly showed 96K for the file as it played.

Cheers

I'm not surprised to see new bugs arise with the kernel change, I'll try recompiling the packages used by MPD sometime this week against the new kernel.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 6 May 2014, 02:39 pm
I'm not complaining. Just trying to be helpful. I have a lot of experience with release candidates and trying to get them right.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 7 May 2014, 06:15 pm
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Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 May 2014, 01:18 am
removed

?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 8 May 2014, 01:56 pm
Sorry. A post that began as an observation that the artist-view would not load was removed by me shortly after posting. It turned out that it was simply taking an unusually long time - a condition I've not been able to reproduce. I try not to bother you with possible bugs unless I can reproduce them.
-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 May 2014, 07:06 pm
Sorry. A post that began as an observation that the artist-view would not load was removed by me shortly after posting. It turned out that it was simply taking an unusually long time - a condition I've not been able to reproduce. I try not to bother you with possible bugs unless I can reproduce them.
-Gary

there's a few of those still in the firmware
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 9 May 2014, 12:39 pm
Hi Chris,

The new firmware update mechanism looks good, and the notification is great too. However, I am constantly told that I have a firmware update available, but when I view the list, I see only up to the same version I already have installed. What's triggering this?

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gaustabl on 9 May 2014, 07:56 pm
Hello.
I tried to control my bdp-1 with i rule and itach rs232 today, but with no luck. I did find some rs232 codes in the irule device database and used these. I had to use a null modem cable since both the itach and the bdp-1 had male contacts, cold this be the problem, or is it simply that rs 232 control is not enamled in manic moose?

best regards Lars

update. tried with straight cable as well, don't seem to get any contact with the bdp-1.

Is the rs-232 disabled on manic moose (or has it always been?)

Anybody at Bryston knows ?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 12 May 2014, 07:28 pm
Hi Chris,

While trying to use album view today, I found a notice on the home screen that indicated "Bryston DB crash detected". Viewing the log only shows a slew of files it tried to open. Can you shed any light on how to resolve this?
-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 May 2014, 01:41 pm
Hi Chris,

While trying to use album view today, I found a notice on the home screen that indicated "Bryston DB crash detected". Viewing the log only shows a slew of files it tried to open. Can you shed any light on how to resolve this?
-Gary

A while ago some users had difficulty with the feature causing there BDP-1's to lockup completely.  The idea of the crash detection is it will stop creating the cover the art as so the other features like artist and genre views will still generate on the second try and see if it crashes again on the same file or not.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 May 2014, 01:41 pm
Hello.
I tried to control my bdp-1 with i rule and itach rs232 today, but with no luck. I did find some rs232 codes in the irule device database and used these. I had to use a null modem cable since both the itach and the bdp-1 had male contacts, cold this be the problem, or is it simply that rs 232 control is not enamled in manic moose?

best regards Lars

update. tried with straight cable as well, don't seem to get any contact with the bdp-1.

Is the rs-232 disabled on manic moose (or has it always been?)

Anybody at Bryston knows ?

No rs232 support at this time, it will come eventually

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 13 May 2014, 02:09 pm
A while ago some users had difficulty with the feature causing there BDP-1's to lockup completely.  The idea of the crash detection is it will stop creating the cover the art as so the other features like artist and genre views will still generate on the second try and see if it crashes again on the same file or not.

Cheers,
Chris

Understood. I deleted the album dB from my scratch drive, ran the repair function on the scratch drive, and allowed the db to be rebuilt and it seems to work now except that periodically, I can't get the album view to scroll past the first group of albums. The error message cleared after I deleted and rebuilt the album db.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gaustabl on 13 May 2014, 02:23 pm
Chris.
Will the rs232 port work if i revert to the old firmware?

Best regards Lars
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 13 May 2014, 06:02 pm
Hi Chris,

I noticed that if I remove a drive from NAS Setup, that even though it shows removed in NAS setup, it's still reflected in the Media list. This is true even after updating MPD library. How can I resolve this?
-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 May 2014, 06:32 pm
+1

it even plays....

Marius

Hi Chris,

I noticed that if I remove a drive from NAS Setup, that even though it shows removed in NAS setup, it's still reflected in the Media list. This is true even after updating MPD library. How can I resolve this?
-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 May 2014, 01:42 am
Hi Chris,

I noticed that if I remove a drive from NAS Setup, that even though it shows removed in NAS setup, it's still reflected in the Media list. This is true even after updating MPD library. How can I resolve this?
-Gary

Tried rebooting?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 15 May 2014, 04:09 pm
Tried rebooting?
Yep, both hard reboot and soft
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: jhameeh on 16 May 2014, 11:52 am
Failed update.

What to do?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=99449)

I followed this step:
1. Download Manic Moose firmware bin file from here
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/firmware/20140314/firmware20140314.bin

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 19 May 2014, 03:06 pm
I noticed on the new build this morning that there is no longer an update for DSD over USB. Is it simply enabled by default?
-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 May 2014, 03:24 pm
HI,
i still have a network share in the medialist, but it isn't listed in the NAS setup. rebooted more than once.

also, my album view won't load anymore, and no message of budding the library is displayed any longer. Simply nothing happens.

although the lastfm login was previously displayed correctly, and was sticky, it now has gone again, showing Bryston, no matter how often i click save.... ;-)

not sure whether i like the folder icons in the media list (seems a bit too much computer language, a graphical album would have suited better) Im not sure what the difference between the  single and double quavers is? Both are tracks i suppose, but double tracks :scratch:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=99587)

do we have the option of updating form within the frontpanel? I cant seem it find it anyway. Would be rather nice to be able to, next to reboot, reset and factory settings.


cheers,
Marius


I noticed on the new build this morning that there is no longer an update for DSD over USB. Is it simply enabled by default?
-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 19 May 2014, 06:01 pm
HI,
i still have a network share in the medialist, but it isn't listed in the NAS setup. rebooted more than once.

also, my album view won't load anymore, and no message of budding the library is displayed any longer. Simply nothing happens.

although the lastfm login was previously displayed correctly, and was sticky, it now has gone again, showing Bryston, no matter how often i click save.... ;-)

not sure whether i like the folder icons in the media list (seems a bit too much computer language, a graphical album would have suited better) Im not sure what the difference between the  single and double quavers is? Both are tracks i suppose, but double tracks :scratch:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=99587)

do we have the option of updating form within the frontpanel? I cant seem it find it anyway. Would be rather nice to be able to, next to reboot, reset and factory settings.


cheers,
Marius


Funny about those little icons Marius. I don't see them on my system. Perhaps my browser isn't using the same character set? I've also noticed that since today's build, Album view and Artist view no longer function at all. I only get the sample covers.

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 19 May 2014, 06:49 pm
Album view has be decommissioned for now but Artist view works fine on my setup.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 19 May 2014, 08:27 pm
Okay, Wonder what's going on on my end then. Artist view won't populate on my laptop, phone, ipad, or mac desktop. Hrm...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 19 May 2014, 08:33 pm
Okay, Wonder what's going on on my end then. Artist view won't populate on my laptop, phone, ipad, or mac desktop. Hrm...

Try emptying cache and remember it takes time fir the BDP to update the artist info.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=99608)


james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: jhameeh on 20 May 2014, 03:07 am
Failed update.

What to do?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=99449)

I followed this step:
1. Download Manic Moose firmware bin file from here
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/firmware/20140314/firmware20140314.bin

Can someone please help me?
Maybe I miss something.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 20 May 2014, 11:21 am
Try emptying cache and remember it takes time fir the BDP to update the artist info.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=99608)


james

Understood. I let the artist page sit for 2 hours this evening while away from my computer and it never populated. Also, my mac desktop has never used the page, so it has a clear cache. I seem to recall seeing the .album cache on my scratch drive in previous builds, but now I don't have one. Was this used only for the album view or also for artist view?
-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 20 May 2014, 07:01 pm
New download coming tonight.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 May 2014, 01:37 pm
Can someone please help me?
Maybe I miss something.

Thanks.

What version of loony loon are you currently running? and does the BDP have internet access?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: jhameeh on 21 May 2014, 03:28 pm
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Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 23 May 2014, 01:51 pm
Hi Chris,

Virtual Front Panel no longer seems to be working. It comes up with a black screen even when there is text on the device display, and it doesn't respond to buttons.

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 27 May 2014, 03:47 pm
Hi Chris,

Here's another bug report: When I play an internet radio station, the playlist on the right column retrieves the embedded metadata, but the media player header does not - it retains the metadata from any library track immediately before it.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100056)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2014, 02:26 pm
Hi Guys,
 
Some customer within the last week have been having difficulties upgrading there firmware, I have written an article on an alternative method for upgrading the firmware and troubleshooting the issue.
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Loony%20Loon%20Firmware%20Upgrading%20Difficulties.pdf
 
Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 28 May 2014, 04:57 pm
Hi Chris,

Here's another bug report: When I play an internet radio station, the playlist on the right column retrieves the embedded metadata, but the media player header does not - it retains the metadata from any library track immediately before it.

...

OK, so how do I add radio stations to Manic Moose? I look at the old videos and they don't really help. Did I need to have them already sorted when I updated from Loony Loon?

By the way, I have been keeping current and except for the occasional bug here and there, it has been working pretty well. I had to unplug the unit the other day. It had an Error 5 message on the faceplate and was unresponsive to anything. Unplugging it worked. We have had a lot of electrical activity here in Colorado lately. Maybe that caused the hiccup.

Cheers

Richard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 May 2014, 01:00 am
Hi Richard,

Error messages that appear on the front panel refer to power issues.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y9j8jc16fjqax46/BDP-error-codes-20140211.pdf

We intend on creating a new web radio interface shortly, until then you can make use of the squeezebox plugins found in services

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o7z6nb037ukgd4l/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf


Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: drummermitchell on 29 May 2014, 12:58 pm
Hi Chris,
downloaded the latest firmware this morning.
I selected a couple of tracks to put on the playlist to see if I could delete one of them without affecting the playlist.
I'm assuming that this feature isn't on this new firmware yet.
Pain in the butt if you make up a list of 30-40 tracks and you want to delete a couple.
You have to delete everything and start over.
No fun and besides that it's pouring rain :lol:.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 29 May 2014, 03:20 pm
Hi Chris,
downloaded the latest firmware this morning.
I selected a couple of tracks to put on the playlist to see if I could delete one of them without affecting the playlist.
I'm assuming that this feature isn't on this new firmware yet.
Pain in the butt if you make up a list of 30-40 tracks and you want to delete a couple.
You have to delete everything and start over.
No fun and besides that it's pouring rain :lol:.
It works. The way you do it is press the letter D, the "now playing" bar turns red, then click the track you want to remove.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 May 2014, 03:39 pm
Hey Gary,

Im puzzled, which letter D ? Only P's are displayed ..... :scratch:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100165)

Only D's i see are the drives, because of which i believed the D to stand for Drive...


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100166)

Cheers,
Marius

Quote
It works. The way you do it is press the letter D, the "now playing" bar turns red, then click the track you want to remove.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: jhameeh on 29 May 2014, 04:26 pm
Gary,

Just press the "D" button in your key board and the playlist bar (left column) will turn red...then click the song you want to remove from playlist.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3832/14297276772_f4350df20e.jpg)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: drummermitchell on 29 May 2014, 04:36 pm
I was looking for the letter D also couldn't find it...then IDEA.....the keyboard :thumb:.
Works great,stopped rainin :o Sun's out also now WTF.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Timslim18 on 29 May 2014, 07:07 pm
Hi Guys,
 
Some customer within the last week have been having difficulties upgrading there firmware, I have written an article on an alternative method for upgrading the firmware and troubleshooting the issue.
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Loony%20Loon%20Firmware%20Upgrading%20Difficulties.pdf
 
Cheers,
Chris

Hi Chris:

I am having no luck in updating my BDP-1 from S1.73 2013-07-02 to any later Loony Loon.

I followed the link above with no success either.  My internet connection test was successful.

Please help!

Thanks,

Tim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 May 2014, 01:52 am
Hi Chris,
downloaded the latest firmware this morning.
I selected a couple of tracks to put on the playlist to see if I could delete one of them without affecting the playlist.
I'm assuming that this feature isn't on this new firmware yet.
Pain in the butt if you make up a list of 30-40 tracks and you want to delete a couple.
You have to delete everything and start over.
No fun and besides that it's pouring rain :lol:.

I should have clarified you use your keyboard, d to delete, m to move (swap).  To make it tablet friendly I have also allowed users to drag tracks in the current playlist.  The may 28 release worked quite well until your playlist becomes longer then what can be displayed without scrolling.  That will be fixed in today's update and should be available shortly.  In the May 29 2014 (later) you have to drag the number next to the song.  This allows you to scroll on tablets again.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 May 2014, 09:21 am
Sorry for being such an idiot...., working great here, now ive pressed the actual D-key....  :duh:

Only, D seems to work as a Playlist editor, not only D for delete, it allows for rearranging also, just like M does?, and saving(! Finally!). Maybe trigger it with the letter E(dit) ;-) So glad we can finally create these lists.

Will you be providing some way to order those? In a folder structure that is, not only alphabetical like now.

Thanks!
M



I should have clarified you use your keyboard, d to delete, m to move (swap).  To make it tablet friendly I have also allowed users to drag tracks in the current playlist.  The may 28 release worked quite well until your playlist becomes longer then what can be displayed without scrolling.  That will be fixed in today's update and should be available shortly.  In the May 29 2014 (later) you have to drag the number next to the song.  This allows you to scroll on tablets again.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 May 2014, 10:01 am
Hey Chris,

New icons in the playlist, work well! (though the folder icons still is a bit too Computery for me...(don't you have a nice icon of stacked records :D,  or at least something along the ones of
http://www.iconarchive.com/show/hyperion-icons-by-icondesigner.net/Music-icon.html), and a separate one for the network drives would be nice too. If so, we could do away with the strange and rather ugly naming of the network drives right now.

More essential: Will you be adding a direct Home-button ? Since the music library is often deeply nested, this is rather a highly necessary option. And, to make it even better, make the breadcrumbs hot clickable on every nested folder. Would be wonderful.

Cheers,
Marius


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 May 2014, 10:10 am
Chris,

Using the filename over tag data option still won't solve the issue of long filenames not being shown from the relevant parts of it.... and, it doesn't affect the display in the playlist. This results in 2 different ways of the tracks being displayed.

Also, ive noticed that hovering the playlist only shows the first bit of the filename, not the full file name like before (cant screen it, because of the mouse pointer obviously )


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100213)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100214)

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 30 May 2014, 10:49 am
Looking forward to try out MM - is there consensus about the stability of the latest beta's? And if I'd want to, could I downgrade to LL via the terminal or would I have to reflash the internal CF card?

EJ
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 30 May 2014, 03:28 pm
Looking forward to try out MM - is there consensus about the stability of the latest beta's? And if I'd want to, could I downgrade to LL via the terminal or would I have to reflash the internal CF card?

EJ

Update: tried it, installed 2.04 in a single attempt and currently playing a 24/192 AIFF file from USB. The web interface looks really slick and seems much more intuitive than before. Now upgrading to newest version via the installer. So far so good!

EJ
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 May 2014, 05:17 am
Looking forward to try out MM - is there consensus about the stability of the latest beta's? And if I'd want to, could I downgrade to LL via the terminal or would I have to reflash the internal CF card?

EJ

You'll need to ref lash using a computer and card reader, really the only beta about the beta right now is upgrading from loony loon to manic moose.  The upgrade doesn't always properly resize the internal storage, so far this seems to be a hardware configuration issue rather then a software one as it only seems to effect some BDP-1' (not all BDP-1's).

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 May 2014, 05:18 am
Chris,

Using the filename over tag data option still won't solve the issue of long filenames not being shown from the relevant parts of it.... and, it doesn't affect the display in the playlist. This results in 2 different ways of the tracks being displayed.

Also, ive noticed that hovering the playlist only shows the first bit of the filename, not the full file name like before (cant screen it, because of the mouse pointer obviously )


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100213)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100214)

Marius

Thats an over sight that should be addressed in the near future, i hadn't noticed it till about a week ago and have been kept busy with other things; it is on the todo list.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 31 May 2014, 07:30 am
You'll need to ref lash using a computer and card reader, really the only beta about the beta right now is upgrading from loony loon to manic moose.  The upgrade doesn't always properly resize the internal storage, so far this seems to be a hardware configuration issue rather then a software one as it only seems to effect some BDP-1' (not all BDP-1's).

Cheers,
Chris

Well after a night's playing I don't see any reason for going back to LL  :icon_lol:. Very impressive upgrade, well done Bryston.

Couple of minor glitches (no doubt these are known, but just in case):
- On safari, switching first to media player and then to TV screen mode makes the TV screen buttons ('full screen' and 'dashboard') unresponsive. The screen can also appear slightly skewed to the left. Doesn't seem to happen in Firefox;
- All my AIFF files are listed as 44k1, regardless of their actual sampling rate; MPOD for example provides the correct values;
- My 'title' tags usually begin with the '01:23'format, denoting disc 1 track 23. The Bryston interface only lists '01' as the track name, and doesn't read anything after the ':'. (On the front panel, the track name shows correctly).

Cheers,

EJ
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2014, 10:50 am
Well after a night's playing I don't see any reason for going back to LL  :icon_lol:. Very impressive upgrade, well done Bryston.

Couple of minor glitches (no doubt these are known, but just in case):
- On safari, switching first to media player and then to TV screen mode makes the TV screen buttons ('full screen' and 'dashboard') unresponsive. The screen can also appear slightly skewed to the left. Doesn't seem to happen in Firefox;
- All my AIFF files are listed as 44k1, regardless of their actual sampling rate; MPOD for example provides the correct values;
- My 'title' tags usually begin with the '01:23'format, denoting disc 1 track 23. The Bryston interface only lists '01' as the track name, and doesn't read anything after the ':'. (On the front panel, the track name shows correctly).

Cheers,

EJ

Hi EJ

Thanks for the report.  Notice any difference in sound quality?

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 31 May 2014, 12:51 pm
Hi EJ

Thanks for the report.  Notice any difference in sound quality?

james

I upgraded my BDP1 last night and I didn't notice any difference in sound quality.  Is there an improvement?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 31 May 2014, 01:06 pm
Hi Chris,

With MM can you allow us to set the airplay device name in Shairplay.  Does the Advanced button not work? 

Regards
Ron 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 31 May 2014, 07:02 pm
Hi EJ

Thanks for the report.  Notice any difference in sound quality?

james

James, I don't think I hear a difference but I haven't really sat down to listen critically yet.

EJ
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bk12 on 31 May 2014, 07:02 pm
Hi Chris-can you please look into the functionality of the Squeezeslave?  I had been using it successfully as a browser, and to stream internet radio, but it seems to not be working over the last 3 or so firmware updates.  Have you been having issues with this reported?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: drummermitchell on 1 Jun 2014, 01:55 am
I'm sure this will be fixed but I can make a playlist of 15 tracks(NO More),and when I go more than that it won't  show on the screen even though there is room.
It will play those tracks that I transferred to the playlist but you can't see them.
Another nitpik,if say I'm playing a track from that play list and click to go to another song on that playlist(NOTHING HAPPENS).
I know things are been worked out but these seem to be  very a basic feature.
The older program did all that,very basic and did what you wanted.
SIMPLE IS GOOD,I do like the delete feature,but it would be nice and simple if you could stop a track and go to another on that list you chose,or click the track you want instead of it doing nothing or freezing up.
Sometime you think its better not to buy  UNTIL all the bugs are fixed.
Pretty hard to enjoy the music with all these little piss offs :shake:.

I do have the latest firmware as of yesterday if that matters.
I'm DONE.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jun 2014, 03:36 am
I'm sure this will be fixed but I can make a playlist of 15 tracks(NO More),and when I go more than that it won't  show on the screen even though there is room.
It will play those tracks that I transferred to the playlist but you can't see them.
Another nitpik,if say I'm playing a track from that play list and click to go to another song on that playlist(NOTHING HAPPENS).
I know things are been worked out but these seem to be  very a basic feature.
The older program did all that,very basic and did what you wanted.
SIMPLE IS GOOD,I do like the delete feature,but it would be nice and simple if you could stop a track and go to another on that list you chose,or click the track you want instead of it doing nothing or freezing up.
Sometime you think its better not to buy  UNTIL all the bugs are fixed.
Pretty hard to enjoy the music with all these little piss offs :shake:.

I do have the latest firmware as of yesterday if that matters.
I'm DONE.

Hi

There must be something up with your setup as I do not experience any of the above. :scratch:

Heres a playlist with 48 songs


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100345)

james

Heres one with over 200


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100346)

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: lycia on 1 Jun 2014, 05:56 am
Hi

There must be something up with your setup as I do not experience any of the above. :scratch:

Heres a playlist with 48 songs


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100345)

james






Heres one with over 200


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100346)




MM seems to have a limit of 300.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: lycia on 1 Jun 2014, 07:31 am
After installing Manic Moose everything appears to be OK. However I have noticed that each time the BDP-2 is turned on the panel now shows the normal routine until the initialization is completed but it then displays “Installing MPD 0.17.5” for about 15 seconds before moving on to the usual updating process. Everything else appears to be normal.

When looking at the Network in my PC the Bryston-BDP-2 now shows a “root” folder in addition to the attached drives.

Are these variances something that I should be concerned about?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 1 Jun 2014, 10:17 am
Hi,

I am currently using MM with the latest firmware

Please can someone explain to me how I create / edit etc a playlist using this firmware...

Thank you in advance.

Rich.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jun 2014, 10:19 am
After installing Manic Moose everything appears to be OK. However I have noticed that each time the BDP-2 is turned on the panel now shows the normal routine until the initialization is completed but it then displays “Installing MPD 0.17.5” for about 15 seconds before moving on to the usual updating process. Everything else appears to be normal.

When looking at the Network in my PC the Bryston-BDP-2 now shows a “root” folder in addition to the attached drives.

Are these variances something that I should be concerned about?

Hi

Yes the Installing MPD is normal.  Not sure on he 'root' part - will let Chris answer that one.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jun 2014, 10:20 am



MM seems to have a limit of 300.

Yes you can change that limit depending on the processing power of your computer interface.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: lycia on 1 Jun 2014, 10:36 am
Thank you , James.

On going into 'Settings - MPD' I find that there is a choice on the drop-down panel - 17.5 or 18.6. I can't consult the Manual so can you advise if there is an advantage in changing to 18.6?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jun 2014, 10:54 am
Thank you , James.

On going into 'Settings - MPD' I find that there is a choice on the drop-down panel - 17.5 or 18.6. I can't consult the Manual so can you advise if there is an advantage in changing to 18.6?

I am using 18 but Chris tells me there is very little difference between the two.  We just want our customers to be aware that as new MPD options become available we will offer them to try.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: lycia on 1 Jun 2014, 11:52 am
I am using 18 but Chris tells me there is very little difference between the two.  We just want our customers to be aware that as new MPD options become available we will offer them to try.

james

Thanks. I will have a look at 18.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 Jun 2014, 01:43 am
Well after a night's playing I don't see any reason for going back to LL  :icon_lol:. Very impressive upgrade, well done Bryston.

Couple of minor glitches (no doubt these are known, but just in case):
- On safari, switching first to media player and then to TV screen mode makes the TV screen buttons ('full screen' and 'dashboard') unresponsive. The screen can also appear slightly skewed to the left. Doesn't seem to happen in Firefox;
- All my AIFF files are listed as 44k1, regardless of their actual sampling rate; MPOD for example provides the correct values;
- My 'title' tags usually begin with the '01:23'format, denoting disc 1 track 23. The Bryston interface only lists '01' as the track name, and doesn't read anything after the ':'. (On the front panel, the track name shows correctly).

Cheers,

EJ

I havn't noticed that behaviour with the tv mode, I'll have to investigate further.  Misreported sample rates are due to the mpeg libraries not being compiled against the new kernel and will be fixed in what will be the equivalent of manic moose service pack 1.  If you click the info button while a track is playing, do the fields populate correctly?

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 Jun 2014, 01:45 am
Hi Chris,

With MM can you allow us to set the airplay device name in Shairplay.  Does the Advanced button not work? 

Regards
Ron

Right now the advance buttons under services do nothing, but eventually they will take you a more advanced configuration page that will allow you to do that.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 Jun 2014, 01:49 am
Hi Chris-can you please look into the functionality of the Squeezeslave?  I had been using it successfully as a browser, and to stream internet radio, but it seems to not be working over the last 3 or so firmware updates.  Have you been having issues with this reported?

I have had one other user emailing me that he was unable to get to work again, I'll take a look into to it tomorrow.  In the mean time keep in mind that you should have your playlist in MPD cleared before turning the feature on.  If you turn on service mode and email me the service id I can take a look and see as to why it might not be working.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 Jun 2014, 01:54 am
I'm sure this will be fixed but I can make a playlist of 15 tracks(NO More),and when I go more than that it won't  show on the screen even though there is room.
It will play those tracks that I transferred to the playlist but you can't see them.
Another nitpik,if say I'm playing a track from that play list and click to go to another song on that playlist(NOTHING HAPPENS).
I know things are been worked out but these seem to be  very a basic feature.
The older program did all that,very basic and did what you wanted.
SIMPLE IS GOOD,I do like the delete feature,but it would be nice and simple if you could stop a track and go to another on that list you chose,or click the track you want instead of it doing nothing or freezing up.
Sometime you think its better not to buy  UNTIL all the bugs are fixed.
Pretty hard to enjoy the music with all these little piss offs :shake:.

I do have the latest firmware as of yesterday if that matters.
I'm DONE.

The latest release is may 29 and it does offer some stability to he web interfaces ability to keep the current playlist up to date.  If your already running may 29 or upgrading to may 29 doesn't help check the MPD settings to see if the playlist length hasn't accidentally been set to 15.  Placing the BDP into service mode and emailing me the service Id will allow me to see what the problem is.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 3 Jun 2014, 05:03 pm
I havn't noticed that behaviour with the tv mode, I'll have to investigate further.  Misreported sample rates are due to the mpeg libraries not being compiled against the new kernel and will be fixed in what will be the equivalent of manic moose service pack 1.  If you click the info button while a track is playing, do the fields populate correctly?

Cheers
Chris

Hi Chris,

When the box is checked, the track name on the right shows the correct resolution - it's just the center information panel on the media player that is stuck to 44k1.
Further, the info button fields populate correctly with the exception of the 'genre' field. This stays blank. I have to add that I use custom genre names in my tags (I fill the genre field with the record company).

Cheers,

EJ
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 Jun 2014, 07:14 pm
I have had one other user emailing me that he was unable to get to work again, I'll take a look into to it tomorrow.  In the mean time keep in mind that you should have your playlist in MPD cleared before turning the feature on.  If you turn on service mode and email me the service id I can take a look and see as to why it might not be working.

Cheers
Chris

Squeezeskave and squeezelite both appear to be working
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bk12 on 4 Jun 2014, 02:03 am
Squeezeskave and squeezelite both appear to be working

Hi Chris,

Tonight I found out that it is not streaming through my USB...but works fine through the AES output.  Any ideas on how I could get my USB output streaming via squeezeslave?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 4 Jun 2014, 06:40 am
Hi EJ

Thanks for the report.  Notice any difference in sound quality?

james

James, after some time with MM, sound quality seems to be as good as it's ever been. A comparison with a Mac Mini running Audirvana on the same (Accuphase) DAC still shows the Mac outclassed by a wide margin.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jun 2014, 09:57 am
James, after some time with MM, sound quality seems to be as good as it's ever been. A comparison with a Mac Mini running Audirvana on the same (Accuphase) DAC still shows the Mac outclassed by a wide margin.

Hi EJ

Thank you for the feedback on the sound.  I have had a number of people email me with similar results including some in the industry using the BDP in their tests setups and demo systems. :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 4 Jun 2014, 05:19 pm
James / Chris, I recall you mentioned that the BDP now supports USB wifi dongles in addition to ethernet. As I'm not streaming but would like access to the browser, this sounds ideal to me. If so, can I just use any wifi stick or are there certain brands or criteria I need to look out for?

EJ
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Jun 2014, 01:05 am
Hi Chris,

Tonight I found out that it is not streaming through my USB...but works fine through the AES output.  Any ideas on how I could get my USB output streaming via squeezeslave?

Thanks!

Until I get around to creating a method of changing that your limited to the juli@ card.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Jun 2014, 01:16 am
James / Chris, I recall you mentioned that the BDP now supports USB wifi dongles in addition to ethernet. As I'm not streaming but would like access to the browser, this sounds ideal to me. If so, can I just use any wifi stick or are there certain brands or criteria I need to look out for?

EJ

Hi EJ,

We have only had limited success and still need to improve upon the setup programs, this feature is still very much in development hence we havn't advertised the feature outside of the readme file.

Any 802.11g/n USB wifi adapter that uses a chipset from the following chipset manufacturer should work

Atheros
Ralink
Realtek

Keep in mind this is the brand of the wifi adapter. It the brand of the manufacturer that makes the chip inside of the retail product.
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=105&cp_id=10501&cs_id=1050109&p_id=8076&seq=1&format=2#specifications

The above wifi adapter has been tested and is known to be compatible.

Cheers
Chris

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 5 Jun 2014, 02:04 pm
Hi Chris,

On startup of the BDP with MM installed, it comes up with the message that it's installing MPD ever time ( see the atteched images ).  Is this correct?   

Thanks

Ron

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100572)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100573)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jun 2014, 02:37 pm
Hi Chris,

On startup of the BDP with MM installed, it comes up with the message that it's installing MPD ever time ( see the atteched images ).  Is this correct?   

Thanks

Ron

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100572)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100573)

Hi Ron

Yes that is correct.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: David Cutler on 6 Jun 2014, 12:07 am
Hello,

I've just taken the plunge and bought a BDP2 from HiFi Lounge in the UK.

Details:
  Serial # 347
  S1.75 2014-05-01
  Build: Loony Loon (RELEASE)
  MPD: 0.17.3
  Kernel: 2.6.32-5-486
  Copyright Bryston Ltd. 2010

The sound quality is amazing.  :thumb:

I have tried upgrading to MM and end up with problems and have to return to Loony Loon (I take an image copy of the CF card before the upgrade).

I am using the firmware20140430.bin to perform the upgrade with an empty thumb drive in the front USB.
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/firmware/20140526mm/filesystem.new etc.)

The first phase completes and the system reboots.  The front panel eventually says "Restarting....." but doesn't restart.  You can no longer ping the BDP but the front panel buttons continue to work.  After leaving it for about 1 hour, I pressed the front panel power button.  The display says Powering down and shows a countdown timer, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and powers down.

Upon powering up, the upgrade continues.  Each time it has to shutdown or reboot, the same problem - No network - can't ping, but the front panel is still active.  Use the front panel power button, countdown timer and off.

Eventually, the upgrade completed with the repartition and MM running.  The poweroff/reboot problems continue - It won't shutdown or reboot EXCEPT from the front panel and every time a countdown timer is shown.  When it is in this half shutdown state, there is no network but you can still select and play from locally attached media - so MPD is still running (?).

I have then used MM for a couple of hours with mixed results - however, I returned to Loony Loon so that I can just chill out and listen to the music  8)

Thanks,

David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 7 Jun 2014, 07:05 am
Hi

I still use LL and Max 2 interface
I ripped some CDs as one big flac file plus cue file.
I noticed that Max 2 will display this folder as one flac while MPDroid or Cantata can display the .cue file
Effect of adding the file in playlist have different effect in the two interfaces:
- Max 2 will add the big flac to the playlist, without ability to navigate between individual tracks
- MPDroid or Cantata will add the .cue file to the playlist, with ability to navigate between individual tracks

Do you think is possible to replicate MPDroid behavior in MAX interface?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 7 Jun 2014, 07:30 am
Hi RonCH

How you evaluate MM over LL firmware on BDP1?
I appreciate the stability of LL firmware and responsiveness of BDP1 with this firmware, however MM have one feature that I would like to use, Replay Gain. Also I am curious to test Sqeezeslave as I am big fan of squeezebox server abilities, but I would rather give up this features if the new firmware will have impact on the performance and/or stability of BDP1

Thanks


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jun 2014, 10:23 am
Hello,

I've just taken the plunge and bought a BDP2 from HiFi Lounge in the UK.

Details:
  Serial # 347
  S1.75 2014-05-01
  Build: Loony Loon (RELEASE)
  MPD: 0.17.3
  Kernel: 2.6.32-5-486
  Copyright Bryston Ltd. 2010

The sound quality is amazing.  :thumb:

I have tried upgrading to MM and end up with problems and have to return to Loony Loon (I take an image copy of the CF card before the upgrade).

I am using the firmware20140430.bin to perform the upgrade with an empty thumb drive in the front USB.
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/firmware/20140526mm/filesystem.new etc.)

The first phase completes and the system reboots.  The front panel eventually says "Restarting....." but doesn't restart.  You can no longer ping the BDP but the front panel buttons continue to work.  After leaving it for about 1 hour, I pressed the front panel power button.  The display says Powering down and shows a countdown timer, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and powers down.

Upon powering up, the upgrade continues.  Each time it has to shutdown or reboot, the same problem - No network - can't ping, but the front panel is still active.  Use the front panel power button, countdown timer and off.

Eventually, the upgrade completed with the repartition and MM running.  The poweroff/reboot problems continue - It won't shutdown or reboot EXCEPT from the front panel and every time a countdown timer is shown.  When it is in this half shutdown state, there is no network but you can still select and play from locally attached media - so MPD is still running (?).

I have then used MM for a couple of hours with mixed results - however, I returned to Loony Loon so that I can just chill out and listen to the music  8)

Thanks,

David

Hi David

Chris will comment but use LL for now and we can assist you with MM going forward.

I agree the sound quality is really something you have to experience.  There is definitely more to it than 'bits are bits'

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 7 Jun 2014, 11:02 am
Hello,

I've just taken the plunge and bought a BDP2 from HiFi Lounge in the UK.

Details:
  Serial # 347
  S1.75 2014-05-01
  Build: Loony Loon (RELEASE)
  MPD: 0.17.3
  Kernel: 2.6.32-5-486
  Copyright Bryston Ltd. 2010

The sound quality is amazing.  :thumb:

I have tried upgrading to MM and end up with problems and have to return to Loony Loon (I take an image copy of the CF card before the upgrade).

I am using the firmware20140430.bin to perform the upgrade with an empty thumb drive in the front USB.
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/firmware/20140526mm/filesystem.new etc.)

The first phase completes and the system reboots.  The front panel eventually says "Restarting....." but doesn't restart.  You can no longer ping the BDP but the front panel buttons continue to work.  After leaving it for about 1 hour, I pressed the front panel power button.  The display says Powering down and shows a countdown timer, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and powers down.

Upon powering up, the upgrade continues.  Each time it has to shutdown or reboot, the same problem - No network - can't ping, but the front panel is still active.  Use the front panel power button, countdown timer and off.

Eventually, the upgrade completed with the repartition and MM running.  The poweroff/reboot problems continue - It won't shutdown or reboot EXCEPT from the front panel and every time a countdown timer is shown.  When it is in this half shutdown state, there is no network but you can still select and play from locally attached media - so MPD is still running (?).

I have then used MM for a couple of hours with mixed results - however, I returned to Loony Loon so that I can just chill out and listen to the music  8)

Thanks,

David

I've experienced this same problem. After four hours of a rough (at best) effort to upgrade to MM (it literally just worked one time, where it hadn't several times before), I now have several bugs....

=BDP will not shut down via the software (IR remote or hard button only)
=BDP initially had no MPD running, and nothing I did would get it to run at startup. I eventually switched to 18.6 and was able to get it to run.
=There is someone elses play list when I start it up... 13 songs, none of which I own. Sometimes, I can clear the playlist, sometimes I can't.
=Similar problem in artist view. Sometimes, it stays and I can see Arcade Fire and others. Sometimes, it blinks away.
=When the playlist is clear (in default view), adding a song doesn't add it at all to the left panel play list. But it DOES add songs and they show up if I click the play list icon.
=I tried a factory reset to clear any extraneous data. Now, the "Bryston BDP-2 Player — Stopped" display flickers on and off (about 5 times a second or so) under default view. It stops when I click on a song, but it happens again if I leave and return to the default view.
=Memory is up at 97.3%?! Is that used? What's causing that? There's nothing playing, no playlists loaded, and no operation (that I can see) going on. CPU is idling at 9.6% and swap is 0%. I'm ONLY running SAMBA, USB Mount, and MPD.
=My playlists are gone, but there's one called "top40" that I never created?
=I just clicked that "top40" play list, and now all I CAN see are someone elses songs. I can't even see my music at all anymore. (a reboot fixed being able to access my internal SSD, but the rogue playlist still persists).

The image below shows the playlist that came with the new firmware. I have none of those songs. And nothing I do will allow me to add my own songs to that list.

OS is Windows 7 Pro (all updates), Chrome (updated), BPD has a fixed IP address and is accessed via ip address, connected via ethernet to a switch, then to a router.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100694)



This feels a lot like beta software. I'd really like to go back to LL so I can just enjoy my BPD. Is there any easy way to do that?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jun 2014, 11:32 am
I've experienced this same problem. After four hours of a rough (at best) effort to upgrade to MM (it literally just worked one time, where it hadn't several times before), I now have several bugs....

=BDP will not shut down via the software (IR remote or hard button only)
=BDP initially had no MPD running, and nothing I did would get it to run at startup. I eventually switched to 18.6 and was able to get it to run.
=There is someone elses play list when I start it up... 13 songs, none of which I own. Sometimes, I can clear the playlist, sometimes I can't.
=Similar problem in artist view. Sometimes, it stays and I can see Arcade Fire and others. Sometimes, it blinks away.
=When the playlist is clear (in default view), adding a song doesn't add it at all to the left panel play list. But it DOES add songs and they show up if I click the play list icon.
=I tried a factory reset to clear any extraneous data. Now, the "Bryston BDP-2 Player — Stopped" display flickers on and off (about 5 times a second or so) under default view. It stops when I click on a song, but it happens again if I leave and return to the default view.

This feels a lot like beta software. I'd really like to go back to LL so I can just enjoy my BPD. Is there any easy way to do that?

Hi Grit

Chris may be able to connect remotely and help.  The fall back position is we can send you a preloaded Flashcard with MM installed.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 7 Jun 2014, 11:41 am
Thanks James. I hope he can figure it out. Here's another screen shot... My drive isn't shown, and somehow, its not in English anymore.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100695)


And while I was typing this message, it disappeared. These ARE my drives.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100696)


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 7 Jun 2014, 11:44 am
Sorry, last one, but this might help Chris. From inside MM, it shows firmware is LL ver 1.70


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100697)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Jun 2014, 03:15 pm
Hi grit,

Sounds like for what ever reason your browser or BDP is just taking a really long time to load the appropriate data.  Placing your BDP into service mode and emailing me the service Id will allow us to track down the cause of the problem.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: loopyground on 7 Jun 2014, 03:16 pm
Gary,

Just press the "D" button in your key board and the playlist bar (left column) will turn red...then click the song you want to remove from playlist.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3832/14297276772_f4350df20e.jpg)

This maybe a silly question but how do I bring up a virtual keyboard on my iPad 2 when the red bar is diplayed in Manic Moose.  I can delete an item in my playlist when using my desktop with keyboard.  Any help would be appreciated.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jun 2014, 03:28 pm
This maybe a silly question but how do I bring up a virtual keyboard on my iPad 2 when the red bar is diplayed in Manic Moose.  I can delete an item in my playlist when using my desktop with keyboard.  Any help would be appreciated.

HI

The keypad is just for full computers - on the IPAD put you finger on the file and just DRAG it to the RIGHT and it will turn red and be deleted from the current playlist.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ezgoin51 on 7 Jun 2014, 04:45 pm
Any timeline on being able to stream internet radio through the BPD-2? Maybe there is already a way to do this that I'm simply missing.
-Eric
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: loopyground on 7 Jun 2014, 04:47 pm
HI

The keypad is just for full computers - on the IPAD put you finger on the file and just DRAG it to the RIGHT and it will turn red and be deleted from the current playlist.

james

That works fine...... thanks for the info James.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: werd on 7 Jun 2014, 10:38 pm
Hi Guys,
 
Some customer within the last week have been having difficulties upgrading there firmware, I have written an article on an alternative method for upgrading the firmware and troubleshooting the issue.
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Loony%20Loon%20Firmware%20Upgrading%20Difficulties.pdf
 
Cheers,
Chris

Is this file only 9kb in size?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 7 Jun 2014, 10:51 pm
Hi grit,

Sounds like for what ever reason your browser or BDP is just taking a really long time to load the appropriate data.  Placing your BDP into service mode and emailing me the service Id will allow us to track down the cause of the problem.

Cheers
Chris

Thanks Chris. I've placed the BDP into service mode and emailed you the service ID. Do I need to leave the BDP powered on?

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jun 2014, 10:58 pm
Thanks Chris. I've placed the BDP into service mode and emailed you the service ID. Do I need to leave the BDP powered on?

- Garrett

Hi Garrett

Yes leave it powered on.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: werd on 7 Jun 2014, 11:43 pm
When updating firmware from the usb for Manic Moose. Does the usb drive need to be in the bdp or can it read it off a usb in the computer?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: werd on 8 Jun 2014, 01:39 am
Nvm I give up. Sticking with LL. might have to send it in to get updated and some new parts. This is buggier than the Battlefied 4'beta..
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 8 Jun 2014, 09:26 am
Hi Ron

Yes that is correct.

james

It does mean that MM takes a long time to bootup time. On the BDP-1 that means it's two and a half minutes before I have MPD access to the BDP.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 8 Jun 2014, 09:40 am
Hi RonCH

How you evaluate MM over LL firmware on BDP1?
I appreciate the stability of LL firmware and responsiveness of BDP1 with this firmware, however MM have one feature that I would like to use, Replay Gain. Also I am curious to test Sqeezeslave as I am big fan of squeezebox server abilities, but I would rather give up this features if the new firmware will have impact on the performance and/or stability of BDP1

Thanks

I mostly access the BDP via MPD clients, so day to day I don't notice that much difference.  MM is stable and just as responsive as LL. It's just the bootup time which is longer.

That said access the BDP via it's web interface and the new firmware on the BDP makes it feel like a new product.  The web interface is great, and a huge improvement over LL. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ozzy on 8 Jun 2014, 03:16 pm
I just installed the Manic Moose CF that PS sent to me.
The update has been going on for over an hour and seems to be stuck.
Looking at the Dashboard I see several (34) songs that are not mine, starting with Arcade Fire.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jun 2014, 03:31 pm
I just installed the Manic Moose CF that PS sent to me.
The update has been going on for over an hour and seems to be stuck.
Looking at the Dashboard I see several (34) songs that are not mine, starting with Arcade Fire.

Hi

Chris will get back to you but make sure you refresh your web-browser.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ozzy on 8 Jun 2014, 06:57 pm
Well, I cant seem to get my Samsung tablet to work with Manic Moose at all. On my lap top it worked for a while now I get an error saying the script to too long.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ozzy on 8 Jun 2014, 07:16 pm
I give up, I have spent an entire day trying to get the CF card sent to me to work with Manic Moose!
Very disappointed. Now I only hope that the previous Loony works...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: werd on 8 Jun 2014, 09:12 pm
I give up, I have spent an entire day trying to get the CF card sent to me to work with Manic Moose!
Very disappointed. Now I only hope that the previous Loony works...

It'll work it just takes time. Mine won't update either but I know I'll eventually get it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 8 Jun 2014, 10:07 pm
Update on wifi: I haven't had much luck with the USB wifi adapters I tried. After a lot of searching I found a couple with (supposedly) the supported chipsets (double-checked the Linux and Debian Wiki's) but no luck. Apparently manufacturers update internals without changing the product label, which may be the cause - not sure. Anyway, no wifi but worse, during boot up the BDP2 seems thoroughly confused and decides to load the test playlist that is still lurking in the firmware. A reboot without the Wifi adapter inserted and all is fine again. So for now, back to the Apple Airport Express. Well, I was warned...

This said, is there an issue list I can report any findings to? I don't think it's very helpful to post on bugs which are already known.

EJ
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 9 Jun 2014, 09:55 am
I just installed the Manic Moose CF that PS sent to me.
The update has been going on for over an hour and seems to be stuck.
Looking at the Dashboard I see several (34) songs that are not mine, starting with Arcade Fire.

Yeah, I had that too. Must be something stuck inside the MM update.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BrysTony on 9 Jun 2014, 02:31 pm
Update on wifi: I haven't had much luck with the USB wifi adapters I tried. After a lot of searching I found a couple with (supposedly) the supported chipsets (double-checked the Linux and Debian Wiki's) but no luck. Apparently manufacturers update internals without changing the product label, which may be the cause - not sure. Anyway, no wifi but worse, during boot up the BDP2 seems thoroughly confused and decides to load the test playlist that is still lurking in the firmware. A reboot without the Wifi adapter inserted and all is fine again. So for now, back to the Apple Airport Express. Well, I was warned...

This said, is there an issue list I can report any findings to? I don't think it's very helpful to post on bugs which are already known.

EJ

A simple solution is to use a Netgear Wifi to Ethernet adapter http://www.netgear.com/home/products/connected-entertainment/gaming-home-theater/WNCE2001.aspx (http://www.netgear.com/home/products/connected-entertainment/gaming-home-theater/WNCE2001.aspx).  It easily adapts anything with an ethernet port to your Wifi network.  I have been using one with my BDP-1 for over 3 years and also use one with my TV and a non Wifi computer.  Simple to configure and works perfectly. 

Tony
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 9 Jun 2014, 02:53 pm
A simple solution is to use a Netgear Wifi to Ethernet adapter http://www.netgear.com/home/products/connected-entertainment/gaming-home-theater/WNCE2001.aspx (http://www.netgear.com/home/products/connected-entertainment/gaming-home-theater/WNCE2001.aspx).  It easily adapts anything with an ethernet port to your Wifi network.  I have been using one with my BDP-1 for over 3 years and also use one with my TV and a non Wifi computer.  Simple to configure and works perfectly. 

Tony

Tony, thanks. It's the same method I use currently and it works well. My main interest in a wifi adapter is to help reduce the cable clutter behind the system.

EJ
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Jun 2014, 04:15 pm
Manic Moose requires a browser that support web sockets, so that mean 1st generation iPads and iPhone 3gS (older) won't run new enough versions of iOS to supports it.  You can still run mPod and mPad for control, but also keep in mind that the official minimum requirement for this app is also iOS 6 so reliability and availability may vary.  On the Android side you will need at least Android 4.2 or newer, olders versions of android may work we just haven't tested anything between 3.2 and 4.2; 3.2 doesn't work.

The following browsers available for Windows, Mac and Linux have been tested
Internet Explorer 11 or greater,
Google Chrome 35 or greater,
Apple Safari 5.1.2 or greater,
Firefox 29 or greater,
Opera 12.6 or greater

Although we have tested these browsers they may have there own unique glitches.

Ad-blocker plugins have also been known to interfere with the web interfaces ability to operate as well, this is still being looked into.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: werd on 9 Jun 2014, 04:46 pm
Chris


I think you are doing a good job. People are use to getting software after beta. I know its been Bryston's intent to have the people who use the BDP to help form it.  So we have a whole community in a pre-release software  state. We are at a point where the Software is close to done and ready. And there is probably a lot of people taxing your uploads. I never expected completely packaged but right before. Which is about now. So I am completely OK with waiting out the bugs.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: werd on 9 Jun 2014, 05:51 pm
I wonder trying updating it in Safe mode or scorched might work. Can't try until I'm done doing the tunes.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: drummermitchell on 9 Jun 2014, 08:48 pm
Chris,
Curious as to know with the deleting songs on the left side playlist(click n drag)which works great.
Can we also or will be able to click and drag from the right side to replace that deleted song in the same place,thx.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 9 Jun 2014, 10:05 pm
A simple solution is to use a Netgear Wifi to Ethernet adapter http://www.netgear.com/home/products/connected-entertainment/gaming-home-theater/WNCE2001.aspx (http://www.netgear.com/home/products/connected-entertainment/gaming-home-theater/WNCE2001.aspx).  It easily adapts anything with an ethernet port to your Wifi network.  I have been using one with my BDP-1 for over 3 years and also use one with my TV and a non Wifi computer.  Simple to configure and works perfectly. 

Tony

The WNCE 2001 is what I have been using without any issues. I have been tricked into thinking that it wasn't working; but it was always something else at fault. It just works every time for me.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Jun 2014, 01:33 am
Chris,
Curious as to know with the deleting songs on the left side playlist(click n drag)which works great.
Can we also or will be able to click and drag from the right side to replace that deleted song in the same place,thx.

I might be able to make that happen, jquery, the magic that makes these drag and drop features possible should allow for this.  I'll take a look into this tomorrow when I start working in the firmware again.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 11 Jun 2014, 05:04 am
I love how easy it is to store a playlist in MM. I'd like to suggest that if a user tries to store songs to an existing playlist, it will offer the option of overwriting the current list or appending it. Or, even append by default.
-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jun 2014, 02:38 pm
Hi James

Since I installed MM, I've had greater control over my network shares, I can use whomever's USB DACs now, and the Squeezebox feature is a great idea.

The new web browser interface is also very intuitive.  :thumb:

JD
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 14 Jun 2014, 12:54 am
I sent Chris an email, but thought I'd ask here in case anyone who's been using/testing Manic Moose can offer some insight.

I put my BDP-2 into service mode and emailed Chris the number. I've left the BDP on. About a day later, I happened to check the BDP web interface and saw the service number had changed. So I turned service mode off and back on. Since then, I've been unable to get a service number. The front panel indicates service mode is off while the web interface indicates that service mode is on.

I've tried rebooting, powering down and back up, and a factory reset. I have an internal SSD installed with my music and a small USB flash drive (32 GB) installed as the scratch drive. BDP is hardwired to my internet connection. I've not made any changes to my networking system. Firmware is MM from 6-8-14.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Elescher on 16 Jun 2014, 08:03 am
Latest MM is looking good.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 16 Jun 2014, 05:55 pm
Hi All,

Here's a link to a folder containing user's manuals which I hope to keep reasonably up to date as Chris continues to make changes to the firmware. Let me know if there is information you think is missing or if particular explanations are unclear. Thanks all!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/54y93ha7jlieegp/AABY4SZlLVaMAC9kgHf8CKAia (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/54y93ha7jlieegp/AABY4SZlLVaMAC9kgHf8CKAia)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: David Cutler on 16 Jun 2014, 07:54 pm
With Loony Loon you could change the password for the BRYSTON user. 

With Manic Moose I can't find an option to change it.

Is this intended functionality?


Cheers,

David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: werd on 16 Jun 2014, 10:47 pm
Hi Grit

Chris may be able to connect remotely and help.  The fall back position is we can send you a preloaded Flashcard with MM installed.

james

I'm going to take you up on that since I've had zero success with this update. I use the alternative bin method and it seems to update and restart to LL.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jun 2014, 01:18 am
With Loony Loon you could change the password for the BRYSTON user. 

With Manic Moose I can't find an option to change it.

Is this intended functionality?


Cheers,

David

Although manic moose does contain many features and improvements not found in loony loon we are still missing a handful of features like changing the default password.  Currently we have been concentrating on playback features like editing the current playlist.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jun 2014, 01:19 am
I sent Chris an email, but thought I'd ask here in case anyone who's been using/testing Manic Moose can offer some insight.

I put my BDP-2 into service mode and emailed Chris the number. I've left the BDP on. About a day later, I happened to check the BDP web interface and saw the service number had changed. So I turned service mode off and back on. Since then, I've been unable to get a service number. The front panel indicates service mode is off while the web interface indicates that service mode is on.

I've tried rebooting, powering down and back up, and a factory reset. I have an internal SSD installed with my music and a small USB flash drive (32 GB) installed as the scratch drive. BDP is hardwired to my internet connection. I've not made any changes to my networking system. Firmware is MM from 6-8-14.

It was down over the weekend for maintenance, should be back up; please email the service Id along with a description of the problem.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2014, 11:29 am
Hi Folks

If you have downloaded the latest firmware of Manic Moose software with the BRADIO feature check out Vinyl Ears - it streams at 320 and plays only Vinyl Records  :thumb:

It's located under ROCk then All Rock Stations and is a fair way down the list of stations - look for 320 in the Bit list.

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Jun 2014, 11:58 am
Hi Chris

My bdp1 becomes unresponsive with the latest firmware after a longer period of inactivity, even with watchdog enabled.

Only a hard reset helps.

Cheers
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2014, 12:36 pm
Also try 3001 The Very Best of Classic Rock -under Rock as well at 320

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 20 Jun 2014, 01:42 pm
Nice firmware update including BRadio!

However it seems like Media Player ignores marquee scrolling setting now. song info scrolls even when the box is not checked. New bug?
-Gary
edit: Even though it remains unchecked, if I open media player settings and simply click save, it quits scrolling. Still curious behavior.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jun 2014, 05:26 pm
Nice firmware update including BRadio!

However it seems like Media Player ignores marquee scrolling setting now. song info scrolls even when the box is not checked. New bug?
-Gary
edit: Even though it remains unchecked, if I open media player settings and simply click save, it quits scrolling. Still curious behavior.

Are you saying the scrolling feature breaks with just bRadio or both bRadio and playback of local files?

BRadio was intended that way

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jun 2014, 05:28 pm
Hi Chris

My bdp1 becomes unresponsive with the latest firmware after a longer period of inactivity, even with watchdog enabled.

Only a hard reset helps.

Cheers
Marius

I've noticed that with one of the four units I test with (BDP-1, 1 of 2).  Still not sure what's causing it.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ozzy on 21 Jun 2014, 11:05 pm
While using my 10" Samsung tablet (Android 4.2.2 )scrolling through my 1 TB hardrive the scrolling function to find an artist takes a very long time and is quite jumpy.
However, on my Laptop everything works better. Is there anything I can do? I would really like to use my Tablet to control the BDP2.
Do I need to replace my tablet? And if so what features should I seek?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 22 Jun 2014, 01:39 pm
HI Chris,


nice to have Bradio back.

do you plan to have a searchbox in the next couple of iterations? Still looking for Avro.....
a resolution search box would be nice too.

hovering the column title changes the mouse pointer into a small hand, suggesting order preference per that header, but clicking does nothing?

Thanks,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jun 2014, 06:51 pm
While using my 10" Samsung tablet (Android 4.2.2 )scrolling through my 1 TB hardrive the scrolling function to find an artist takes a very long time and is quite jumpy.
However, on my Laptop everything works better. Is there anything I can do? I would really like to use my Tablet to control the BDP2.
Do I need to replace my tablet? And if so what features should I seek?

I use the latest IPAD and Mini IPAD running MPOD and MPAD apps with good success. :thumb:  Also use the Itouch as a back up with MPOD as well as the new Manic Moose.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 23 Jun 2014, 01:19 pm
Are you saying the scrolling feature breaks with just bRadio or both bRadio and playback of local files?

BRadio was intended that way

Cheers
Chris
It doesn't break with local files. But if I stream other radio stations I've saved as playlists, their titles scroll. My personal preference would be that the Marquee function apply to radio and local files. But that's just me.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Jun 2014, 01:34 am
While using my 10" Samsung tablet (Android 4.2.2 )scrolling through my 1 TB hardrive the scrolling function to find an artist takes a very long time and is quite jumpy.
However, on my Laptop everything works better. Is there anything I can do? I would really like to use my Tablet to control the BDP2.
Do I need to replace my tablet? And if so what features should I seek?

A desktop or laptop is more likley to have many more resources available to it then a tablet of similar age.  A faster tablet could help, or you could try one of the many android apps available in the play store.  Try different features in the web interface, search, using the default views ability to jump from beginning letter.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Jun 2014, 01:39 am
HI Chris,


nice to have Bradio back.

do you plan to have a searchbox in the next couple of iterations? Still looking for Avro.....
a resolution search box would be nice too.

hovering the column title changes the mouse pointer into a small hand, suggesting order preference per that header, but clicking does nothing?

Thanks,
Marius

All excelent suggestions, the resolution menu is the next thing to go in, then selecting favourites that show up by default, I'll see if a search is possible and I might be able to do something with the me u's to change the order.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Jun 2014, 01:41 am
I use the latest IPAD and Mini IPAD running MPOD and MPAD apps with good success. :thumb:  Also use the Itouch as a back up with MPOD as well as the new Manic Moose.

james

Keep in mind the number of songs you have will effect performance, I use a samsung galaxy tab 3 7" with my library of 8,000 songs and it work great.  Try and use it with a library of 40,000 and it would likley be much slower.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: lycia on 24 Jun 2014, 03:39 am
On turning on my BDP2  today and noticing that an upgrade  for Manic Moose was available I set the upgrade in motion.. A problem developed part way through and I was informed that the upgrade had failed and that I should redownload and try again. This  I endeavoured to do but was unsuccessful. I have done this four times. Two specimens of the reply are appended.
My drives have been disconnected.

Disconnecting from power and rebooting  does not rectify the situation.

Assistance would be appreciated.



“Downloading firmware filesystem
15% @0...............
Downloading boot drivers
1378k 100% @1477k
Downloading vmlinuz image
356k 100% @511k
Running Filesystem Check: ff5fd7da0a44599ece0e9fcbd5496918 /lib/live/mount/medium/live/filesystem.new
:ba2e48728cc79a299ec315b19a9846f2Filsyst em Check Failed: md5 values different
Should Be: ba2e48728cc79a299ec315b19a9846f2
Calculated: ff5fd7da0a44599ece0e9fcbd5496918
You should try redownloading this version of the firmware and try again”

“Downloading firmware filesystem
19% @0...................
Downloading boot drivers
807k 100% @1065k
Downloading vmlinuz image
218k 100% @230k
Running Filesystem Check: 18d9015f762d6b084973f48b7c21573a /lib/live/mount/medium/live/filesystem.new
:ba2e48728cc79a299ec315b19a9846f2Filsyst em Check Failed: md5 values different
Should Be: ba2e48728cc79a299ec315b19a9846f2
Calculated: 18d9015f762d6b084973f48b7c21573a
You should try redownloading this version of the firmware and try again”

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Camper on 24 Jun 2014, 01:54 pm
I have been using Manic Moose and I have just noticed that on the album art view the cover art will not display if there is a square parenthesis [ or ] in the title. (Image 1)  The album "Live at the BBC [disc 1]"has the square parenthesis and will not be displayed whereas disc 2 has a regular parenthesis and displays fine. It will also not change the previous cover art that was displayed previously (image 2) and when reloaded again it still won't display the cover art. (Image 3) because the song Dear Prudence has a square parenthesis in its title.  MPAD has no,problem displaying this symbol. 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101385)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101388)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101390)

Any thought?  I don't really want to have to change all of my metadata as I have over 19000 songs. 

Also is there anyway to have the album view list only albums and not all the individual artists.  On MPAD there is a setting to display " only artists with full albums" which cuts down on the number of artists listed.

Also Chris is it possible to display in the album view a group that has the word "the" in front of it not under the letter "t".  For example The Beatles should be listed under "b" instead of under the letter "t".

The buttons on TV mode on the ipad are not functional. "Dashboard and full screen". The app must be closed to get out of TV mode.  Also is there a way to advance to next song while in TV mode?

Overall I think there are some nice layout changes to Manic Moose.  Keep up the good work Chris.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Jun 2014, 01:54 pm
On turning on my BDP2  today and noticing that an upgrade  for Manic Moose was available I set the upgrade in motion.. A problem developed part way through and I was informed that the upgrade had failed and that I should redownload and try again. This  I endeavoured to do but was unsuccessful. I have done this four times. Two specimens of the reply are appended.
My drives have been disconnected.

Disconnecting from power and rebooting  does not rectify the situation.

Assistance would be appreciated.



“Downloading firmware filesystem
15% @0...............
Downloading boot drivers
1378k 100% @1477k
Downloading vmlinuz image
356k 100% @511k
Running Filesystem Check: ff5fd7da0a44599ece0e9fcbd5496918 /lib/live/mount/medium/live/filesystem.new
:ba2e48728cc79a299ec315b19a9846f2Filsyst em Check Failed: md5 values different
Should Be: ba2e48728cc79a299ec315b19a9846f2
Calculated: ff5fd7da0a44599ece0e9fcbd5496918
You should try redownloading this version of the firmware and try again”

“Downloading firmware filesystem
19% @0...................
Downloading boot drivers
807k 100% @1065k
Downloading vmlinuz image
218k 100% @230k
Running Filesystem Check: 18d9015f762d6b084973f48b7c21573a /lib/live/mount/medium/live/filesystem.new
:ba2e48728cc79a299ec315b19a9846f2Filsyst em Check Failed: md5 values different
Should Be: ba2e48728cc79a299ec315b19a9846f2
Calculated: 18d9015f762d6b084973f48b7c21573a
You should try redownloading this version of the firmware and try again”

Judging by what you have posted it appears something is interrupting the download of the main file system (the first shows it downloading only 15% and the second 19%), how does your BDP connect to your home network?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: lycia on 24 Jun 2014, 10:20 pm
Judging by what you have posted it appears something is interrupting the download of the main file system (the first shows it downloading only 15% and the second 19%), how does your BDP connect to your home network?

Cheers,
Chris



Hello Chris:

Thank you for your reply

At the eleventh attempt I succeeded in downloading the complete upgrade and everything seems to be working normally. I am mystified as to the problem..I have a fast cable internet and the connection to the BDP2 is wired (Cat 6) .I do not have problems with downloads. generallyAnd in the middle of this difficulty  I tested the Ethernet connection by plugging it into a HDTV and it performed flawlessly.

On the subject of bRadio, is it possible to add stations to the list.?  The AVRO (AVRO Baroque & AVRO Classical) stations seem to be missing .


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Jun 2014, 12:50 am


Hello Chris:

Thank you for your reply

At the eleventh attempt I succeeded in downloading the complete upgrade and everything seems to be working normally. I am mystified as to the problem..I have a fast cable internet and the connection to the BDP2 is wired (Cat 6) .I do not have problems with downloads. generallyAnd in the middle of this difficulty  I tested the Ethernet connection by plugging it into a HDTV and it performed flawlessly.

On the subject of bRadio, is it possible to add stations to the list.?  The AVRO (AVRO Baroque & AVRO Classical) stations seem to be missing .

This is not the final implementation of bRadio, a sort of transitional version until we have our shiny new server online.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 25 Jun 2014, 06:55 am
HI Chris,

any update on this issue? still happening, and needing to manually hard-reboot the bdp here. Software reboot not possible....


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101424)

all in all, something seems to be amiss with the latest iteration. All Dashboard 'buttons' give the same Forbidden message. Not sure, but it feels as some kind of miscommunication between the browser (safari in this case) and the BDP.
Also, ive been able to hard-reboot and play tracks, but the frontpanel display stays blacked out, until i hit a button on the BR2, lighting it up. It says restarting........ And it certainly was not, it was playing music.


Thanks,
Marius

Hi Chris

My bdp1 becomes unresponsive with the latest firmware after a longer period of inactivity, even with watchdog enabled.

Only a hard reset helps.

Cheers
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: yartle on 25 Jun 2014, 10:16 am
hmmm, am I missing something?  No update being shown on my BDP-2?  :scratch:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Jun 2014, 09:50 pm
HI Chris,

any update on this issue? still happening, and needing to manually hard-reboot the bdp here. Software reboot not possible....


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101424)

all in all, something seems to be amiss with the latest iteration. All Dashboard 'buttons' give the same Forbidden message. Not sure, but it feels as some kind of miscommunication between the browser (safari in this case) and the BDP.
Also, ive been able to hard-reboot and play tracks, but the frontpanel display stays blacked out, until i hit a button on the BR2, lighting it up. It says restarting........ And it certainly was not, it was playing music.


Thanks,
Marius

Hi Marius,

I hadn't realized that was a problem, there are .htaccess files to protect certain php scripts, but they should all be in the mpd folder rather then the bryston folder.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Jun 2014, 09:51 pm
hmmm, am I missing something?  No update being shown on my BDP-2?  :scratch:

Which firmware is your BDP currently running vs what version are you attempting to update to?

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Jun 2014, 09:52 pm
HI Chris,

any update on this issue? still happening, and needing to manually hard-reboot the bdp here. Software reboot not possible....


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101424)

all in all, something seems to be amiss with the latest iteration. All Dashboard 'buttons' give the same Forbidden message. Not sure, but it feels as some kind of miscommunication between the browser (safari in this case) and the BDP.
Also, ive been able to hard-reboot and play tracks, but the frontpanel display stays blacked out, until i hit a button on the BR2, lighting it up. It says restarting........ And it certainly was not, it was playing music.


Thanks,
Marius


Your running the June 19 firmware?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ozzy on 25 Jun 2014, 11:32 pm
Chris,
Thanks for the reply. One of my External Hardrives does have about 40,000 songs.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ozzy on 25 Jun 2014, 11:37 pm
Chris,

But, the Loony Tune scrolled better than Manic Moose even with the 40,000 songs. Also, my Samsung Tablet seems to get pretty hot.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 Jun 2014, 05:56 am
Yes i am.

Silly thing is it doesn't happen all the time. Seems to occur mostly when my macbook is working hard on other things, and communication is not exclusively with the BDP, or the harddrive is spinning a lot  :scratch: :scratch: Anyhow, it was new to this version of the firmware.

Marius


Your running the June 19 firmware?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: yartle on 26 Jun 2014, 07:37 am
Which firmware is your BDP currently running vs what version are you attempting to update to?

Cheers
Chris

Hey Chris,

S1.75 2014-05-01
Build: Loony Loon (RELEASE)
MPD: 0.15.12
Kernel: 2.6.32-5-486

Just doesn't see any update at all, just go into settings, firmware, update and get UpdateWEB, but that's all nothing else.

Cheers


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 26 Jun 2014, 06:17 pm
I think you have to download Manic Moose for the initial update from Loony Loon. After that (in my case), MM picked up subsequent updates via the ethernet connection to the internet.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Jun 2014, 12:43 am
Hey Chris,

S1.75 2014-05-01
Build: Loony Loon (RELEASE)
MPD: 0.15.12
Kernel: 2.6.32-5-486

Just doesn't see any update at all, just go into settings, firmware, update and get UpdateWEB, but that's all nothing else.

Cheers

Have you followed the instructions on the first post of this thread?

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: yartle on 27 Jun 2014, 07:18 am
Ah, those instructions?  The ones that I didn't read? And now have.  And now have Manic Moose  :duh: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 28 Jun 2014, 03:12 pm
And still:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101585)

What to do Chris?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Xinon on 28 Jun 2014, 08:33 pm
Innstalled MM, no problems  :thumb:
Now I would like to find out how to implement Spotify and Wimp Hifi .
And is there a way to connect to my Logitech server ?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mr_bill on 28 Jun 2014, 09:10 pm
The BDP-1 should show up as a player option in LMS  as I understand from Chris?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Xinon on 29 Jun 2014, 07:00 am
No, it doesnt show as a player in the server. Maybe I have to activate something??
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mr_bill on 29 Jun 2014, 04:31 pm
We need Chris's help!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jun 2014, 05:47 pm
And still:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101585)

What to do Chris?

Marius

Your DAC appears to be recieving lock, assuming the input selected is the one for the BDP.  I suspect just rebooting it manual should resolve the issue or make things worse.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jun 2014, 05:52 pm
No, it doesnt show as a player in the server. Maybe I have to activate something??

Page 23 of the Manic Moose manual should get you to where you need to be to turn the feature on and there are two logitech squeezebox clients available, squeezelite and squeezeslave.  Once started they should find your squeezebox server and associate themselves to your account.  If the service turns off shortly (within 60 seconds) after being turned on then its likely the BDP is unable to discover your server and is usually caused by the BDP and server being separated by a NAT (router).

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Jun 2014, 06:06 pm
it is indeed selected to the bdp, funny, but i wasn't referring to the dac, but to the bdp that kept saying it was restarting, while playing files at the same time.

Your DAC appears to be recieving lock, assuming the input selected is the one for the BDP.  I suspect just rebooting it manual should resolve the issue or make things worse.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: JerryF on 1 Jul 2014, 12:36 am
Hi,

I'm  looking for some help with MM with BDP-1.

I have 3 problems since downloading MM.

     1. There is someone else s play list loaded.. Sometimes, I can clear the playlist, sometimes  not.

     2. The "Stopped" display flickers on and off under default view. It stops when I play a song, but it happens again if I stop and return to the default view.

     3. When I play a song it plays properly and the progress bar timer counts up like it should but  “Player-Stopped” is displayed at the top and bottom of the screen.

Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 1 Jul 2014, 01:04 am
it is indeed selected to the bdp, funny, but i wasn't referring to the dac, but to the bdp that kept saying it was restarting, while playing files at the same time.

That's odd, is it still doing it?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Xinon on 1 Jul 2014, 03:15 pm
Thanx Chris  :thumb:

Turned on Squeezeslave and can now play files from my pc through Bdp2, using Sqeezepad on Ipad to control it .

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101814)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 1 Jul 2014, 06:16 pm
Hi Chris,

I'd like to suggest a minor tweak to the CSS. When using any feature which changes the text field background to red (such as listing folders not indexed by MPD), changing the text color itself to white would dramatically improve the readability.

Just my 2 cents!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 1 Jul 2014, 06:31 pm
Hi Chris,

I'd like to suggest a minor tweak to the CSS. When using any feature which changes the text field background to red (such as listing folders not indexed by MPD), changing the text color itself to white would dramatically improve the readability.

Just my 2 cents!

your right, i'll use hot pink instead  :wink:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 2 Jul 2014, 05:57 am
your right, i'll use hot pink instead  :wink:

Please use antique white or cat whisker instead.   lol..   (my comments are 100% serious)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 2 Jul 2014, 02:31 pm
EXACTLY what I was hoping for!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 3 Jul 2014, 04:49 am
Hi,

I'm  looking for some help with MM with BDP-1.

I have 3 problems since downloading MM.

     1. There is someone else s play list loaded.. Sometimes, I can clear the playlist, sometimes  not.

     2. The "Stopped" display flickers on and off under default view. It stops when I play a song, but it happens again if I stop and return to the default view.

     3. When I play a song it plays properly and the progress bar timer counts up like it should but  “Player-Stopped” is displayed at the top and bottom of the screen.

Thanks

I had that exact same problem with the initial MM download. However, after about two updates (I know there was one, and I think there was one or two after that), it went away after i rebooted the BDP-2. I haven't seen it pop up again.

I found that initial install and getting past that bug was a bit frustrating. However, it all works now and I'm pretty happy with MM.

That reminds me... Chris, when i use MM via my 10" tablet, there's a funny alignment thing that comes up. Probably a justification tag in the HTML somewhere, or something else that has to do with alignment on the page. When I drill down into an album to select a song to add to my playlist, I then use the back button. When I do that, the whole page shifts so the top of the folder list is at the top of my screen, different from where it was before i hit the back button. So I have to scroll the whole page back up to the top before I can hit the back button again.

Is that in the code or is that caused by my browser? I'm using Chrome (updated) on an Android-based tablet.

Thanks, and great work on MM, it's very user friendly!

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Jul 2014, 12:57 am
I had that exact same problem with the initial MM download. However, after about two updates (I know there was one, and I think there was one or two after that), it went away after i rebooted the BDP-2. I haven't seen it pop up again.

I found that initial install and getting past that bug was a bit frustrating. However, it all works now and I'm pretty happy with MM.

That reminds me... Chris, when i use MM via my 10" tablet, there's a funny alignment thing that comes up. Probably a justification tag in the HTML somewhere, or something else that has to do with alignment on the page. When I drill down into an album to select a song to add to my playlist, I then use the back button. When I do that, the whole page shifts so the top of the folder list is at the top of my screen, different from where it was before i hit the back button. So I have to scroll the whole page back up to the top before I can hit the back button again.

Is that in the code or is that caused by my browser? I'm using Chrome (updated) on an Android-based tablet.

Thanks, and great work on MM, it's very user friendly!

- Garrett

Hi Garrett,

The jumping down to the folder is intended, however you don't have to scroll through all the way back to the top of the list.  Rather then scrolling back up by swiping the library list (right column), swipe back up using the center column.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Jul 2014, 10:03 pm
That's odd, is it still doing it?

It changed in to staying blacked out now,
while playing through the iPhone / mm interface . Lighting Up after remote commanding the Dac with the br2. Obviously that also triggers the bda.

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 6 Jul 2014, 07:14 pm
Hi
I've installed a latest Manic Moose (S2.04 2014-06-19) on my new BDP-2 and noticed lots of bugs with media player. Some are already reported on this thread, some are not. Most annoying for me is constantly broken artist list showing only single artist. I've figured out that I may remove .albums/artistList file on scratch drive and view will be rebuilt. But now I am constantly adding music to my ssd and all those bugs are real pain.
So I would like to know - what is a roadmap for Manic Moose? When we can expect relatively stable release? Media Player is a core feature and it should be rock solid. Also I suggest to setup a public bug tracker system. Forum is not the best engine for reporting bugs - you can believe me as I'm professional software developer and fix bugs too  :)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Falldog on 6 Jul 2014, 09:00 pm
Spent the weekend upgrading my BDP-2 with an Internal SSD Drive and I loaded Manic Moose (S2.04 2014-06-19).  After upgrade, my BDP-2 reports "BDP has no internet connection".  My BDP-2 is using DHCP.  I never had this problem before.  Other computers on my home network do not have an issue and are working fine.

I noticed the Network Interface settings shows the wrong Gateway Address.  The Gateway Address is showing the Broadcast Address for the subnet. My ATT uVerse router allows only two subnet choices:  192.168.1.0/24 or 172.16.0.0/16.  Manic Moose is showing 192.168.1.255 as the Gateway Address....it should be .254.  I switched over to 172.16.0.0/16 subnet and Manic Moose is showing 172.16.255.255 as the Gateway Address....is should be 172.16.0.1.

What can I do?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jul 2014, 09:13 pm
Spent the weekend upgrading my BDP-2 with an Internal SSD Drive and I loaded Manic Moose (S2.04 2014-06-19).  After upgrade, my BDP-2 reports "BDP has no internet connection".  My BDP-2 is using DHCP.  I never had this problem before.  Other computers on my home network do not have an issue and are working fine.

I noticed the Network Interface settings shows the wrong Gateway Address.  The Gateway Address is showing the Broadcast Address for the subnet. My ATT uVerse router allows only two subnet choices:  192.168.1.0/24 or 172.16.0.0/16.  Manic Moose is showing 192.168.1.255 as the Gateway Address....it should be .254.  I switched over to 172.16.0.0/16 subnet and Manic Moose is showing 172.16.255.255 as the Gateway Address....is should be 172.16.0.1.

What can I do?

I will let Chris respond but it is normal for MM to show 'no network connection' initially after a download.  It checks every 10 minutes on the 10 and will show 'normal operation' at that point.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 7 Jul 2014, 07:28 am
I experienced all of those errors. They all went away through subsequent Manic Moose updates. Once you have MM installed, you should be able to update it via the web interface.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jul 2014, 06:46 pm
Gary:

Thank you for the very clear and logical set of instructions.

It is a rarity to find something so well written and concise. The Moose is wonderful and a huge upgrade. It is truly well thought out and I am very impressed with your software and your support as always. Keep up the good work!

I'll write if I have some questions (I usually do!)

Thanks to you and James for turning me on to this.

Lee Fitzgerald
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Falldog on 8 Jul 2014, 01:25 am
July 7, 2014

My Manic Moose (S2.04 2014-06-19) started to show "BDP at normal operation" soon after my post.  But, the "Gateway:" address is still showing 192.168.1.255.  The actual gateway address is .254.  The .255 is the broadcast address on this /24 subnet.  After checking the network interface screen, the BDP-2 reports "BDP has no internet connection".  I let it sit a bit, and it seems happy again.

Noticed other change with my remote control.  I use to be able to hit 'stop', then 'play' and it would start playing the song where i left off.  Now, when I hit play it goes back to the start of the play list.  I can hit 'Pause' to stop, then hit 'Pause' again, and the song will start where I left off.   I usually build a large playlist and I leave the BDP-2 power on all the time.  Is it ok to leave a song in 'Pause' over night or over the weekend?

Most (almost all) of my Album Cover ART is missing from the Artist view.

I like to build large play lists and listen to music while I work.  I tried to adjust Maximum Playlist Length beyond 300 to 500...but i can't get the change to take affect.  My playlist is limited to 300 songs.

New Feature Request:  Shuffle By Album.  I like to listen to music by album...cuz i am old I guess.  Would be nice to Shuffle by album.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jul 2014, 10:09 am
July 7, 2014

My Manic Moose (S2.04 2014-06-19) started to show "BDP at normal operation" soon after my post.  But, the "Gateway:" address is still showing 192.168.1.255.  The actual gateway address is .254.  The .255 is the broadcast address on this /24 subnet.  After checking the network interface screen, the BDP-2 reports "BDP has no internet connection".  I let it sit a bit, and it seems happy again.

Noticed other change with my remote control.  I use to be able to hit 'stop', then 'play' and it would start playing the song where i left off.  Now, when I hit play it goes back to the start of the play list.  I can hit 'Pause' to stop, then hit 'Pause' again, and the song will start where I left off.   I usually build a large playlist and I leave the BDP-2 power on all the time.  Is it ok to leave a song in 'Pause' over night or over the weekend?

Most (almost all) of my Album Cover ART is missing from the Artist view.

I like to build large play lists and listen to music while I work.  I tried to adjust Maximum Playlist Length beyond 300 to 500...but i can't get the change to take affect.  My playlist is limited to 300 songs.

New Feature Request:  Shuffle By Album.  I like to listen to music by album...cuz i am old I guess.  Would be nice to Shuffle by album.

Hi Falldog

What interface are you using - IPAD or ITOUCH or IPHONE?

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Alpha10 on 10 Jul 2014, 12:39 pm
Chris/James,

I finally took the plunge today to take my Flash card out and upgrade to MM. I have a bit of a problem, my BDP1 has a 4GB card in it, so about 3.54GB when formatted, well the unzipped version img file of MM is 3.82GB and therefore I get a warning that there is insufficient room on the disc. Please help!

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 10 Jul 2014, 01:19 pm
You won't need to format the card yourself. You want to "image" the flash card with the contents of the zip file. See the tutorial here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/705xrtxd1xulcw5/BDP%20Manual%20Manic%20Moose%20Install.pdf
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Alpha10 on 10 Jul 2014, 01:23 pm
You won't need to format the card yourself. You want to "image" the flash card with the contents of the zip file. See the tutorial here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/705xrtxd1xulcw5/BDP%20Manual%20Manic%20Moose%20Install.pdf

Those are the instructions I have followed, nothing to do with the formatting, the image file is too big for the 4GB card that was in my BDP1.

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 10 Jul 2014, 01:40 pm
They all have 4GB cards in them. When you use a disk utility to flash the card, the format contained in the image gets written bit for bit onto the CF card and overwrites any format on the disk. Presuming you use Windows, are you using the Win32 disk imager software? Can you post a screen shot of the failure you get?

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Alpha10 on 10 Jul 2014, 01:47 pm
Here you go:

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn152/Rcw270101/CFfailure_zps9ca39633.jpg) (http://s303.photobucket.com/user/Rcw270101/media/CFfailure_zps9ca39633.jpg.html)

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 10 Jul 2014, 05:23 pm
Apologies to you. I just spoke with Chris and he mentioned that he prepared an image specifically for your card.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Alpha10 on 10 Jul 2014, 05:44 pm
Apologies to you. I just spoke with Chris and he mentioned that he prepared an image specifically for your card.

Thanks, I was just going to post a big thank you to James and Chris for their help, I am now up and running, happy days, fantastic support as always  :thumb: :thumb:

I think it was to do with the Kingston CF cards.

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Falldog on 11 Jul 2014, 01:40 am
Hey James,

In response to your question:  "Hi Falldog What interface are you using - IPAD or ITOUCH or IPHONE?

Neither....I am using Firefox Ver 30.0 web browser on a Mac Pro running 10.9.4.

I see same problem with Safari.  Artist view is broke...no album art....does not list all the Artists or Albums.  I' am using the Default view to build my playlist.

I have not tried my IPhone. 

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CraigS720 on 11 Jul 2014, 01:56 am
Falldog/James,

I am having the same problem using the iPhone and iPad. No album art, artists or albums.

Craig
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jul 2014, 10:26 am
Hi

I am using Google Chrome:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102104)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 12 Jul 2014, 06:57 pm
Noticed 2.05 is available, but the release notes are bit cryptic: does the BDP2 need to be in service mode to have this update applied?

EJ
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jul 2014, 07:17 pm
Noticed 2.05 is available, but the release notes are bit cryptic: does the BDP2 need to be in service mode to have this update applied?

EJ

Hi EJ

Yes I believe so - I will check with Chris but as of Monday next we hope to have our own server up and running so going forward from this update you will be communicating with the Bryston server directly.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 13 Jul 2014, 01:40 pm
Hi Chris,

Are you still planning to have a 'Recently Added Music' playlist on the BDP?   This is a feature that I'd really like. 

Thanks

Ron
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Falldog on 15 Jul 2014, 01:08 am
Got the upgrade to S2.05 2014-07-11.  Network Interfaces shows proper IP Address and Subnet mask for the BDP-2, but now the Gateway Address is not listed at all.  Artist view is sill not showing ALL my Artists and very little cover art.  Have not tried to build a Play List beyond 300 songs yet.  Will try later.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 15 Jul 2014, 12:33 pm
My BDP-1 was also updated to S2.05 2014-07-11. I put the BDP-1 in service mode, sent the service ID to Bryston and mailed Chris and asked for the update. Et Voila,.... ! Thanks Chris  :thumb: .  Did not have the time to play lots of music files.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Jul 2014, 12:42 pm
+1!
thank you sir!
M
My BDP-1 was also updated to S2.05 2014-07-11. I put the BDP-1 in service mode, sent the service ID to Bryston and mailed Chris and asked for the update. Et Voila,.... ! Thanks Chris  :thumb: .  Did not have the time to play lots of music files.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Spyman on 15 Jul 2014, 03:57 pm
I did the same thing....put the BDP-1 in service mode, emailed Chris, and all of a sudden, I've got the new firmware. Thanks, Chris!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 15 Jul 2014, 06:51 pm
I also updated and it was done quickly and without problems. I hope from now on will be fully automated procedure.

I see MM firmware works fine with BDP-1, however the web interface is rather unresponsive. I do not suffer as I use it only for settings, for remote music interface I use Cantata or MPDroid
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mr_bill on 15 Jul 2014, 07:06 pm
What are you emailing Chris that allows him to do the MM software update remotely?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 15 Jul 2014, 07:24 pm
I did the update from LL to MM by myself one week ago, replacing flash card as per procedure described in first post
Two days ago a new update of MM appears with instructions to put the BDP in service mode and email tech support the code indicated by service mode screen.

/
S2.05 2014-07-11
Firmware Updates
Fixes issue with recent changes made on hosting server
If your running firmware older then this you will need to place your BDP into service mode and email bryston your service id to have the firmware applied.
Manual, page 25 Services / Service Mode
Bryston Tech Support
/
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Jul 2014, 12:50 am
It means just that, place the BDP into service mode as outlined on page 25 of the manic moose manual and email us the service id along with your request/problem, in this case help upgrading the firmware.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mr_bill on 16 Jul 2014, 04:27 am
There is no way to put my BDP-1 into service mode.  I must be running an older firmware and there is not an option to put my player into Service Mode. S1.48 07-25-12
The Manic Moose manual doesn't help either.
Chris can you please help me.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 16 Jul 2014, 07:35 pm
My BDP-2 was updated within minutes of sending an e-mail... excellent service!

EJ
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jul 2014, 12:53 am
There is no way to put my BDP-1 into service mode.  I must be running an older firmware and there is not an option to put my player into Service Mode. S1.48 07-25-12
The Manic Moose manual doesn't help either.
Chris can you please help me.

See if anything in the linked document helps

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xqshefatg2kg5ef/Loony%20Loon%20Firmware%20Upgrading%20Difficulties.pdf

Otherwise you could reflash the cf card following these instructions

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1rxtxpgjysdkbzk/BDP%20image%20Windows.pdf

Otherwise you can contact us directly for additional options.

Cheers
Chrjs
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 17 Jul 2014, 03:31 am
Downloaded firmware successfully. Works fairly well.
The album cover doesn't show on the media player when playing a song
Sometime the artwork shows when I click on the second or greater song on the playlist
while it's playing. Never had that problem on Max or Max2
better interface in spite of bugs



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 17 Jul 2014, 05:42 am
Now that I've had more time with the new MPD,  I like it a lot.
I especially like the IPAD interface and the way songs are moved or deleted. Very nice.
Much faster loading, easier to use, more lines to read the stored music, which is great for classical.

Still have the album art problem
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: tomsenko on 17 Jul 2014, 08:56 am
Hello!

I am having severe problems in using my NAS (3TB WD MybookLiveDuo) drive with the Manic Moose. The library is updated with only a small fraction of the NAS contents. The BDP1 shows "U" all the time and continues to do so after restart. In the process of restarting it shows "INSTALLING MPD". I never had such issues with the previous firmware.

Has anyone else had similar problems? It looks like I will have to revert to the previous firmware.

Toms
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Jul 2014, 12:35 pm
Hey Chris,

Any reason all of a sudden these red highlighted entries show in de folder-structure in Mediaplayer?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102414)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102415)

Cheers,
Marius

btw: had to reboot the bdp several times to get rid of the highlighted Update and U on the front display. Is the new firmware taking longer to update new albums?
btw2: scrolling makes the interface 'flicker' terribly. I get the feeling it has to do with the software being auto-adapting to the windows-size, seem to recognise is from one of my own sites....
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 17 Jul 2014, 04:36 pm
needs to be a trigger to show album art at the beginning of first cut.
Playing Bartok  Music For Strings and album art still showing Alison  Krauss.
Clicking on the second cut displays the correct album art.
Quirky
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jul 2014, 09:18 pm
Hi James
 
I would like to thank Mike and Chris for there great support in getting my BDP-1 up and running again. It seems that when I did a software update to Manic Moose for the BDP-1 the compact flash card did not partition correct. So a quick call to Chris and I was sent out a new card with the new software on it. I was able to install it my self and get the BDP-1 up and running again, It even works great from my Samsung 2 - 10” tablet just had to install Google Chrome Browser.
 
The music that I hear from the Bryston equipment is over whelming clear, detailed, and with the feeling of being there. I am able to sit back, close my eyes and enjoy!
 
Thanks again for the great support and I very proud I bough your equipment.

I own these Bryston produce: 14BSST², BP26 Preamplifier, MPS-2 Power Supply, BCD-1 CD Player, BDA-1 External DAC, BDP-1 Digital Player, along with a Torus 20 Power Conditioner, Transparent Super Audio Cables and B&W 703 Speakers.  I hope to add a set of Bryston speakers in the near future.
 
Larry Stevenson

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Falldog on 18 Jul 2014, 01:19 am
Running the recent upgrade S2.05 2014-07-11.
Looks like IP Address display issue is fixed.  But IP Gateway address display remains blank.
Looks like the Max Playlist Length issue is fixed and can go beyond 300.  In the previous version, I had it set to 500, but could only build Playlist with default setting of 300 songs.  I was able to build a new playlist today with 500 songs.  Will bump it up to 700 and try again...once i consume the current list.

Can I do anything to reset the Artist view?  Currently, my Artist view does NOT show all my Artists...and cover art is missing from most of what is shown. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Jul 2014, 01:44 am
Running the recent upgrade S2.05 2014-07-11.
Looks like IP Address display issue is fixed.  But IP Gateway address display remains blank.
Looks like the Max Playlist Length issue is fixed and can go beyond 300.  In the previous version, I had it set to 500, but could only build Playlist with default setting of 300 songs.  I was able to build a new playlist today with 500 songs.  Will bump it up to 700 and try again...once i consume the current list.

Can I do anything to reset the Artist view?  Currently, my Artist view does NOT show all my Artists...and cover art is missing from most of what is shown.

Adding or removing just one song will trigger a rebuild of the artist view.  Before rebuilding it you may wish to try and change the tag used from artist to album artist in the media player settings pain. 

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Falldog on 18 Jul 2014, 01:52 am
Are you talking about adding a song to the "Library"...like, I am in the midst of buying some new music from HD Tracks.  When done with the download from HD Tracks, I will Transfer some new Albums under existing artists, plus add a new artist.  Will that rebuild the Artist view of my entire collection?

I would like to use Artist view to build new PlayLists.  But Artist view does NOT list all my Artists.  Right now, I am using the Default View.

Thanks

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 18 Jul 2014, 10:31 pm
 Just got my BDP-2 today.  Sounds excellent.  :thumb:
Have a few questions concerning the update that requires the BDP to be put in service mode:

 Should this be done during Bryston regular business hours?
 Do I eMail Technical Support with the service No.?
 When the BDP-2 is put in service mode from MM should that condition be reflected on the BDP display?
    In my case there was no indication on the display.

NOW
S2.04 2014-05-20
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2014, 11:20 pm
Just got my BDP-2 today.  Sounds excellent.  :thumb:
Have a few questions concerning the update that requires the BDP to be put in service mode:

 Should this be done during Bryston regular business hours?
 Do I eMail Technical Support with the service No.?
 When the BDP-2 is put in service mode from MM should that condition be reflected on the BDP display?
    In my case there was no indication on the display.

NOW
S2.04 2014-05-20

Hi

I will let Chris answer this for you.

james


Title: Problem displaying album art
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 20 Jul 2014, 05:39 am
ok. my problem only happens when the Consume button is active.
Next album art will not display and the art will not display when starting a new
 song. Without the consume button active , everything works like it should.
I.E. When consume button is on, one artist cut ends and the next artist cut starts but new artwork
 is not displayed
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: R. Daneel on 20 Jul 2014, 12:45 pm
Hello!

Does Manic Moose support DSD playback on BDP-1?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jul 2014, 01:09 pm
Hello!

Does Manic Moose support DSD playback on BDP-1?

Cheers!
Antun

Yes as long as your DAC is USB 2 compliant.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: R. Daneel on 20 Jul 2014, 01:45 pm
Yes as long as your DAC is USB 2 compliant.

james

Thanks James!

I have a BDA-2 so I won't be able to make use of that feature anyway but I can't say I miss it.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 21 Jul 2014, 04:40 pm
 The MM manual says to delete a playlist you drag it to the center of the screen.  This does not seem to work on the iPad.  Is there a way to do this on an iPad? :scratch:
  Thanks for any help, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2014, 04:44 pm
The MM manual says to delete a playlist you drag it to the center of the screen.  This does not seem to work on the iPad.  Is there a way to do this on an iPad? :scratch:
  Thanks for any help, Rich

Drag with your finger on the playlist  'Music Note' - it will turn red as you drag it to the center.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 21 Jul 2014, 05:18 pm
Drag with your finger on the playlist  'Music Note' - it will turn red as you drag it to the center.

james

Hi James
 There's no music note on the playlist when displayed on the iPad.  When I try to drag the playlist it only shows "Copy | Define".  In other control point apps ( of course MM isn't an app ) you usually have to hold on the playlist at which point a menu pops up with options including Delete.  Maybe the drag thing can only be done at a computer.  That would be a bummer as my control point is the iPad.  A noisy laptop is the last thing I want in the music room.
 I would use MPAD if the album art would show like it does in MM, but alas it doesn't seem to use the "Local" art files no matter what I name them.

Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2014, 05:56 pm
Hi James
 There's no music note on the playlist when displayed on the iPad.  When I try to drag the playlist it only shows "Copy | Define".  In other control point apps ( of course MM isn't an app ) you usually have to hold on the playlist at which point a menu pops up with options including Delete.  Maybe the drag thing can only be done at a computer.  That would be a bummer as my control point is the iPad.  A noisy laptop is the last thing I want in the music room.
 I would use MPAD if the album art would show like it does in MM, but alas it doesn't seem to use the "Local" art files no matter what I name them.

Thanks, Rich

Hi Rich

Somethings up as I have the IPAD MINI in my office and the drag and drop works fine.  What version of MM are you running?

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 21 Jul 2014, 06:07 pm
 Just updated to the latest MM today.  Mine is an iPad 2.
Rich

 Weird.  I had created a shortcut on the iPad for MM.  Got rid of that and used "Safari Bookmarks" to open MM.  The musical notes are now there.  Drag works and it turns red, but the one I want to get rid of is "Top40" which won't go away.  Is that a Playlist created by the BDP?  I'm more of a Bottom 40 kind of guy.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2014, 06:59 pm
Just updated to the latest MM today.  Mine is an iPad 2.
Rich

 Weird.  I had created a shortcut on the iPad for MM.  Got rid of that and used "Safari Bookmarks" to open MM.  The musical notes are now there.  Drag works and it turns red, but the one I want to get rid of is "Top40" which won't go away.  Is that a Playlist created by the BDP?  I'm more of a Bottom 40 kind of guy.

Yes the TOP 40 is just a list created by the BDP as you play your music and the top 40 played will show up.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 21 Jul 2014, 08:08 pm
Just updated to the latest MM today.  Mine is an iPad 2.
Rich

 Weird.  I had created a shortcut on the iPad for MM.  Got rid of that and used "Safari Bookmarks" to open MM.  The musical notes are now there.  Drag works and it turns red, but the one I want to get rid of is "Top40" which won't go away.  Is that a Playlist created by the BDP?  I'm more of a Bottom 40 kind of guy.
Ha! Yeah, I'm kind of a bottom 40 kind of guy too!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 21 Jul 2014, 09:51 pm
Chris:
This is on an iPad2
 Just got the new MM version today so I'm up to date.  I was playing an album with the art showing OK.  Then I cleared the playlist and began another album.  For the first track of the second album the art from the first album showed.  When the second track started the correct art loaded.

 Also if I am looking at another tab on Safari while music is playing then go back to the MM tab to have a look the counter is locked up.  The only way to get the screen synced again is to go to "Dashboard" or change the playlist view from the right side then go back to "Media Player".  This behavior is consistent.

 I see great potential in this control point.  Keep up the good work.

Lovin' the sound...Rich

gdayton-  Us bottom 40 guys gotta' stick together!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CraigS720 on 21 Jul 2014, 09:58 pm
I'm having some problems with my new BDP-2. In the Manic Moose software, i put a list of songs together. It plays just fine but the album art never changes when it goes to the next song and sometimes the name of the song doesn't change either. I am using an iPad 3. The same is true on the display on the BDP-2 itself. It gets stuck on the same song even though it indeed plays the next song.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks.

Craig
Title: Artwork not changing
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 21 Jul 2014, 10:24 pm
Ditto the previous two writers. Glitch is better without the consume button activated
Hope it gets fixed . This version is much better than MAX 2 and MPAD
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Jul 2014, 12:42 am
I'm having some problems with my new BDP-2. In the Manic Moose software, i put a list of songs together. It plays just fine but the album art never changes when it goes to the next song and sometimes the name of the song doesn't change either. I am using an iPad 3. The same is true on the display on the BDP-2 itself. It gets stuck on the same song even though it indeed plays the next song.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks.

Craig

There are a number of issues like this that have been or are being fixed, please post the firmware revision your running when describing these issues.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Jul 2014, 12:46 am
Are you talking about adding a song to the "Library"...like, I am in the midst of buying some new music from HD Tracks.  When done with the download from HD Tracks, I will Transfer some new Albums under existing artists, plus add a new artist.  Will that rebuild the Artist view of my entire collection?

I would like to use Artist view to build new PlayLists.  But Artist view does NOT list all my Artists.  Right now, I am using the Default View.

Thanks

Any time the MPD database changes, the database version changes and triggers a rebuild of the database used to generate the artist view.  The media player settings ?not to be confused with media player daemon settings) allows you to choose between artist or albumartist, you may wish to try the other next time you make a change.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CraigS720 on 23 Jul 2014, 03:48 pm
There are a number of issues like this that have been or are being fixed, please post the firmware revision your running when describing these issues.

Cheers
Chris

Thanks Chris. It's the latest firmware that had to be installed via the service mode.

Craig
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Jul 2014, 04:05 pm
Thanks Chris. It's the latest firmware that had to be installed via the service mode.

Craig

Mentioning its the latest version is going to help people 6 months from now, also i have countless times have heard its the latest version just to find out it isn't, so please state the full version in this case S2.05 2014-07-15

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 23 Jul 2014, 05:33 pm
Chris:
  S2.05 2014-07-11
 Created a playlist of 4 bRadio stations, but it's hard to tell which station is which cause they have numbers as names.  I ordered them by my fave genre down to my least fave genre, but if I wanted to add more the confusion would ensue.  Any way to re-name them?

   Thanks, Rich
Title: artwork
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 23 Jul 2014, 06:41 pm
S2.05 2014-07-15
is what I'm using
I love it except for the artwork problem
Title: artwork
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 23 Jul 2014, 06:43 pm
sorry I've been using s2.05 2014-07-11
looks lime I'm put of date now
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Jul 2014, 07:45 pm
Chris:
  S2.05 2014-07-11
 Created a playlist of 4 bRadio stations, but it's hard to tell which station is which cause they have numbers as names.  I ordered them by my fave genre down to my least fave genre, but if I wanted to add more the confusion would ensue.  Any way to re-name them?

   Thanks, Rich

Hi Rich,

Currently you can't, what you use to do and have yet to implement is run a program that would scan through playlist looking for radio stations; connect to each server and grab the name of the station.  Then when ever a playlist was loaded containing a radio station it would show the name rather then the ip address/port.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 24 Jul 2014, 02:48 am
is the S2.03 07-15-14 version available as a self download or only as an upgrade in service mode?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jul 2014, 11:00 am
is the S2.03 07-15-14 version available as a self download or only as an upgrade in service mode?

We have our own server now at Bryston so only as a service upgrade.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 24 Jul 2014, 02:46 pm
We have our own server now at Bryston so only as a service upgrade.

james
Are all this beta releases or are official?
How / where do we find out when to request such upgrade?
I run version S2.05 2014-07-11, from previous post I understand there is new firmware (S2.03 07-15-14) but it is not visible on the settings page.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 24 Jul 2014, 06:29 pm
suddenly somehow i cant get any interface to show up my libraries correctly ....


mpod/pad and mm in the safari browser only show some of my drives, and then only bits of them.

rebooting, updating. nothing helps.


what to do chris?

please help.....

M
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Jul 2014, 02:17 pm
suddenly somehow i cant get any interface to show up my libraries correctly ....


mpod/pad and mm in the safari browser only show some of my drives, and then only bits of them.

rebooting, updating. nothing helps.


what to do chris?

please help.....

M

Hi Marius,

Could be a couple of things, the first I would check (but i don't believe it would be the problem) is the user space.  If you ssh in and issue the command

df -h | grep /dev/sda2

you should get back something like below

/dev/sda2       880M  1.6M  879M   1% /mnt/img

the first numerical value (880M) should read that or larger

assuming the above checks out issue the following commands

/etc/init.d/mpd stop
rm /mnt/img/tag_cache
restart.sh

This will wipe out the existing MPD database and allow you to start over from scratch.

If you find your still only getting part of your music library then the next most likely culprit is a faulty file, in which case check the MPD logs to see which file is the last one to be logged.  The last logged file or the file that would have come next are the likely candidates to be causing the trouble.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 25 Jul 2014, 02:38 pm
strange things happen: on my mobiles, things seem back to normal again, on desktop browser MM, nothing is shown anymore.... not even the software versions in the system tab.
at all

Somehow i think it had to do with updating some new albums in the database. Since some firmware versions ago, updating the Db takes longer and longer. I really think you should add the selective updating again, it now seems to check the full db, which takes longer and longer with a growing library of course....


MM seems to be somewhat unresponsive now and then, much more so than the Mpod/pad interfaces. even up to having to reboot the bdp, to get connection with MM on desktop again.


Ill check your suggestions below and let you know he findings.

Thanks for that!
M

Hi Marius,

Could be a couple of things, the first I would check (but i don't believe it would be the problem) is the user space.  If you ssh in and issue the command

df -h | grep /dev/sda2

you should get back something like below

/dev/sda2       880M  1.6M  879M   1% /mnt/img

the first numerical value (880M) should read that or larger

assuming the above checks out issue the following commands

/etc/init.d/mpd stop
rm /mnt/img/tag_cache
restart.sh

This will wipe out the existing MPD database and allow you to start over from scratch.

If you find your still only getting part of your music library then the next most likely culprit is a faulty file, in which case check the MPD logs to see which file is the last one to be logged.  The last logged file or the file that would have come next are the likely candidates to be causing the trouble.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Jul 2014, 04:18 pm
strange things happen: on my mobiles, things seem back to normal again, on desktop browser MM, nothing is shown anymore.... not even the software versions in the system tab.
at all

Somehow i think it had to do with updating some new albums in the database. Since some firmware versions ago, updating the Db takes longer and longer. I really think you should add the selective updating again, it now seems to check the full db, which takes longer and longer with a growing library of course....


MM seems to be somewhat unresponsive now and then, much more so than the Mpod/pad interfaces. even up to having to reboot the bdp, to get connection with MM on desktop again.


Ill check your suggestions below and let you know he findings.

Thanks for that!
M

Selective updating was reintegrated a few revisions ago, inside the media player settings is an option to display files and folders not in the database.  When this option is checked, items not in the database appear at the bottom in red, clicking the item will add the file or
Folder to the database.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 Jul 2014, 04:28 pm
Great!
Ill try that with the next uploads ;-)

Thanks !
Marius

Selective updating was reintegrated a few revisions ago, inside the media player settings is an option to display files and folders not in the database.  When this option is checked, items not in the database appear at the bottom in red, clicking the item will add the file or
Folder to the database.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Jul 2014, 08:58 am
Hi Chris,

Ever since album art started to be a feature, I've been collection not only Covers, but also back.jpg's , having the firm believe you would someday offer the option of displaying these in the BDP firmware. Forgot to ask for this ever since ;-)

So, to amend that oversight: will you be offering the option to flip the album art from front to back some how ? would be really nice, and very functional to be able to see the track listing on most back cover. Come a bit closer to the real thing of holding the cd, and browsing them, like in the old days....

cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Jul 2014, 09:56 am
HI Chris,

Seems to work fine, thank you. Is there any reason the .albumDB is still red? Had other non-music-files entries (indicated with the music icon) too in red i didn't dare to click....


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102885)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102886)



working with these gives another question: would it be possible to have an Update-new button at all? I usually upload albums several at a time, and browsing to these to find them in red and clicking them, is possible, but still a bit of a hassle, compared to just click update-new, and let MM find the red entries .

Marius

Selective updating was reintegrated a few revisions ago, inside the media player settings is an option to display files and folders not in the database.  When this option is checked, items not in the database appear at the bottom in red, clicking the item will add the file or
Folder to the database.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 28 Jul 2014, 04:16 pm
I updated to S.2.05 2014-07-25 this morning. Thanks for the update. I notice that when I add a CD as a playlist now, it adds the CD to the queue twice. The same behavior is observed from my windows computer running Chrome, android phone running Chrome, and iPad on Safari.
-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 28 Jul 2014, 05:28 pm
I updated to S.2.05 2014-07-25 this morning.
I would like to do the same, but MM ( on the Dashboard home screen ) is not telling me an update is available, though It is on the list in the updates screen.  Are all updates now done using Service Mode?  Should there be a notification on the home screen?

Thanks
Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 28 Jul 2014, 05:59 pm
A little bit of excitement in my dull life ...
 

Downloading firmware filesystem
undefined% @undefined
Downloading boot drivers
100% @32
Downloading vmlinuz image

Filsystem Check Failed: md5 value missingFilsystem Check Failed: md5 value missing
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 28 Jul 2014, 06:47 pm
HI Chris,

Working with Bradio is really a rather big disappointment up to now. None of the more important classical radio stations are listed, or at least impossible to be found. When will you be making Bradio somewhat presentable and usable at all to your customers? a search option would really be a great functionality
Not even talking about the fixed and rather limited presentation of the stations. Some filtering ought to be provided, and clicking the column headers ought to change the listing in an ordered list.

If the more important stations aren't listed, an input-field could be provided for entering single stations and save them in a database please? I cant seem to find Br-Klassik, Avro stations, and, again, BBC 3, to name but a few. Entering the readily available internet addresses in itunes, or what have you, even an internet browser, plays the streams without an issue. Sure the BDp should be able to do so too.

just give http://bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r3.asx a try or, as mentioned a long time ago http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r3_aaclca.pls
Ive tried to make playlists out of them, but the bdp won't play.

Hope you can make it.

thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Jul 2014, 12:18 am
I would like to do the same, but MM ( on the Dashboard home screen ) is not telling me an update is available, though It is on the list in the updates screen.  Are all updates now done using Service Mode?  Should there be a notification on the home screen?

Thanks
Rich

The BDP only checks for updates upon startup or at 4am gmt, if you leave it running 24/7 then you won't informed until the following day.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Jul 2014, 12:20 am
A little bit of excitement in my dull life ...
 

Downloading firmware filesystem
undefined% @undefined
Downloading boot drivers
100% @32
Downloading vmlinuz image

Filsystem Check Failed: md5 value missingFilsystem Check Failed: md5 value missing

What firmware are you currently running? Any firmware that is prior to S2.05 is broken, a fix was released in S2.05 2014-07-11 to fix the update feature.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Jul 2014, 12:22 am
HI Chris,

Working with Bradio is really a rather big disappointment up to now. None of the more important classical radio stations are listed, or at least impossible to be found. When will you be making Bradio somewhat presentable and usable at all to your customers? a search option would really be a great functionality
Not even talking about the fixed and rather limited presentation of the stations. Some filtering ought to be provided, and clicking the column headers ought to change the listing in an ordered list.

If the more important stations aren't listed, an input-field could be provided for entering single stations and save them in a database please? I cant seem to find Br-Klassik, Avro stations, and, again, BBC 3, to name but a few. Entering the readily available internet addresses in itunes, or what have you, even an internet browser, plays the streams without an issue. Sure the BDp should be able to do so too.

just give http://bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r3.asx a try or, as mentioned a long time ago http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r3_aaclca.pls
Ive tried to make playlists out of them, but the bdp won't play.

Hope you can make it.

thanks,
Marius

Granted the bRadio web app is still limited and I was unaware of issues with classical stations showing; however stations are listed in order of most to least number of current listeners.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 29 Jul 2014, 10:57 am
What firmware are you currently running? Any firmware that is prior to S2.05 is broken, a fix was released in S2.05 2014-07-11 to fix the update feature.

Cheers
Chris

I am running S2.05 2014-07-11, new firmware was prompted, I went through the update procedure, nothing happened except MPD was moved from 18.6 to 17.5.
I will try to run the update again today

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 29 Jul 2014, 09:40 pm
Chris:
S2.05 2014-07-25
iPad 2, Safari
 After successfully updating to the above version the top portion of the screen and the info just under the album art jumps up and down about a quarter inch constantly.  This only happens on the "Default View", " Media Player" screen.  All other screens are stable.
 This does not happen on Windows XP - Chrome.
 Is this a known glitch?

Thanks
Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jul 2014, 09:46 pm
Chris:
S2.05 2014-07-25
iPad 2, Safari
 After successfully updating to the above version the top portion of the screen jumps up and down about a quarter inch constantly.  This only happens on the "Default View", " Media Player" screen.  All other screens are stable.
 This does not happen on Windows XP - Chrome.
 Is this a known glitch?

Thanks
Rich

Hi Rich

Try refreshing the screen or resaving the Icon to the ipad

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 29 Jul 2014, 09:47 pm
James:
 Did that several times.  No help.

Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jul 2014, 09:59 pm
Ok try restarting the BDP

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 29 Jul 2014, 11:29 pm
Ok try restarting the BDP.
Did that right away, but........downloaded "Atomic Web Browser" on the iPad2 and MM works OK there.  Guess the S2.05 upgrade only affected Safari on the iPad.  Don't have a Mac to test Safari on that platform.  Guess I'll use Atomic till the next upgrade.

Thanks
Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jul 2014, 12:07 am
Did that right away, but........downloaded "Atomic Web Browser" on the iPad2 and MM works OK there.  Guess the S2.05 upgrade only affected Safari on the iPad.  Don't have a Mac to test Safari on that platform.  Guess I'll use Atomic till the next upgrade.

Thanks
Rich

Have you tried Mpod and Mpad.  Also it may be the iPad 2 as MM does require more up to date tablets.

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jul 2014, 01:14 am
Chris:
S2.05 2014-07-25
iPad 2, Safari
 After successfully updating to the above version the top portion of the screen and the info just under the album art jumps up and down about a quarter inch constantly.  This only happens on the "Default View", " Media Player" screen.  All other screens are stable.
 This does not happen on Windows XP - Chrome.
 Is this a known glitch?

Thanks
Rich

Clear your cache
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 30 Jul 2014, 03:11 pm
Chris:
 No need.  For some reason this morning MM on Safari is not jiggling any more. :scratch:
 Pardon my ignorance, but how do you clear the cache on MM?  I can do it on MPAD, but don't see a "Clear Cache" command on MM unless you mean the "Clear" just under the track progress bar which I figured was just for clearing the Playlist.
 Also, are the cover screws now Torx 10?  8 seems a bit loosie goosie.

Thanks
Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BrysTony on 30 Jul 2014, 03:24 pm
I recently upgraded my BDP-1 to Manic Moose.  The upgrade was uneventful and it works well.  However, I have always transferred new files to the BDP-1 over my WIFI network.  Transfer of a new CD normally took a couple of minutes; however, it now takes 30 minutes or more.  No changes other than the firmware upgrade were done.  What could have caused this?  Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Tony
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Jul 2014, 07:44 pm
HI Chris,



Not sure if this is because of the latest firmware upgrade or my new Macbook Air, but suddenly the adaptive MM software seems to behave strangely resizing the windows....


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103064)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103065)

Cheers,
M
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Jul 2014, 01:04 am
HI Chris,



Not sure if this is because of the latest firmware upgrade or my new Macbook Air, but suddenly the adaptive MM software seems to behave strangely resizing the windows....


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103064)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103065)

Cheers,
M

That's been around for awhile, you need to refresh the page each time you resize the page in such a way it has to reorient the contents.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Jul 2014, 01:08 am
I recently upgraded my BDP-1 to Manic Moose.  The upgrade was uneventful and it works well.  However, I have always transferred new files to the BDP-1 over my WIFI network.  Transfer of a new CD normally took a couple of minutes; however, it now takes 30 minutes or more.  No changes other than the firmware upgrade were done.  What could have caused this?  Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Tony


Wifi is hugely acceptable to interference that can cause variation in bandwidth performance, I would start by power cycling each wifi point.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Jul 2014, 01:10 am
Chris:
 No need.  For some reason this morning MM on Safari is not jiggling any more. :scratch:
 Pardon my ignorance, but how do you clear the cache on MM?  I can do it on MPAD, but don't see a "Clear Cache" command on MM unless you mean the "Clear" just under the track progress bar which I figured was just for clearing the Playlist.
 Also, are the cover screws now Torx 10?  8 seems a bit loosie goosie.

Thanks
Rich
Clearing the cache isn't part of manic moose but your web browser, in the case of an iPad it's found some where in the settings for safari, please consult apple for further instruction.  It has likley started simply from launching the page enough times that the browser has loaded the correct version of the JavaScript file rather then the old version held in the browsers cache.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Artwork
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 31 Jul 2014, 02:26 am
Just updated to S2.05 07-25-14
artwork has trouble updating from one album to the next
particuarly when the consume button is active
otherwise no trouble
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 31 Jul 2014, 07:26 pm
Chris:
S2.05 2014-07-25
 Using Windows Explorer I downloaded an album with one track and one .jpg file.  The album showed in red and would not allow me to open the album folder to see the track and art folder.  Rebooted BDP from MM and the folder did turn gray.  Looking in the folder showed the track gray and the .jpg file red.  Touching the art file did nothing.
 Next I shutdown the BDP, pulled the drive and looked at the file on the computer.  No weird stuff there so I restarted the BDP ( with auto update selected ), then reinserted the drive.  The .jpg file was still red.
 The file is 1536x1533 JPEG.  Is there a physical size limit on these art files?
 I wanted to resize the jpg file but Looking back on Windows Explorer the drive is not shown anymore.  Probably have to reboot the BDP again. :roll:

   Update:
 Rebooting BDP did let the drive be seen in Explorer.  Added more tracks and MM does accept them with a click ( in my case a tap ).  The only issue is...you have to back out and go back into the "Media Player" screen to turn the tracks gray.  I found smaller art ( 500x500 ) but it still shows in red although MM and MPAD both use the art.  Actually I see now that all the album art files are red.  Guess that's normal??
 It would be cool to have one of those circle-arrow thingies that would refresh the screen when touched.  Right now if I go back to the "default | Bryston BDP" tab in Safari the track time bar will be frozen forcing me to go to "Dashboard" > "Media Player" to unfreeze the screen.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103130)


 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: tomsenko on 4 Aug 2014, 03:34 pm
Hi Chris or someone else who knows!

How can I revert to the previous firmware from the Manic Moose?

Regards,
Toms
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Xinon on 4 Aug 2014, 03:47 pm
Trying to upgrade to newest firmware, but getting only error message.
Tried several times, same error each time, what to do?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103359)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Aug 2014, 07:31 pm
Hey Chris,

Today i uploaded a newly ripped album, updated, and.... no sound is heard....

the bdp seems to play normally, the dac locks, but remains silent.

Other inputs do play, so i know all is well on the amp/dac  front.

How to proceed? any settings i need to check?

this is a somewhat cryptic file i don't recognize:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103381)

and, should this be checked? never looked at this tab before, so don't know if it was. checking it doesn't work though.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103385)


thanks..

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 5 Aug 2014, 08:58 pm
HI Chris,

Any suggestions to the above?

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Aug 2014, 01:17 am
Hey Chris,

Today i uploaded a newly ripped album, updated, and.... no sound is heard....

the bdp seems to play normally, the dac locks, but remains silent.

Other inputs do play, so i know all is well on the amp/dac  front.

How to proceed? any settings i need to check?

this is a somewhat cryptic file i don't recognize:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103381)

and, should this be checked? never looked at this tab before, so don't know if it was. checking it doesn't work though.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103385)


thanks..

Marius

Hi Marius,

So the BDP indicates that it is playing, but you hear nothing?

That is very strange, from the information you have posted the picture of the audio devices page indicates the following:

The BDP see's the integrated juli@ sound card, because it listed
The juli@ sound card is in the MPD config file (it's not in red)
It's uncheck because it isn't DSD capable.

My best guess is one of the streaming services (found under the services settings page) has taken control of the sound card and won't give it up.

The first thing I would do, assuming you havn't already is to into the services pages and make sure that the following are turned off:

Both squeezebox clients
Shareplay (airplay emulator)
Dlna renderer

Reboot the BDP and see if your still experiencing difficulties.  Also you can check the MPD log for ALSA errors.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Aug 2014, 01:20 am
Trying to upgrade to newest firmware, but getting only error message.
Tried several times, same error each time, what to do?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103359)

I suspect your running firmware prior to S2.05, likley S2.04.  You will need to place the BDP into service mode and email us the service id.  There are links in the readme file that appears just before you attempt an update.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Aug 2014, 01:25 am
Chris:
S2.05 2014-07-25
 Using Windows Explorer I downloaded an album with one track and one .jpg file.  The album showed in red and would not allow me to open the album folder to see the track and art folder.  Rebooted BDP from MM and the folder did turn gray.  Looking in the folder showed the track gray and the .jpg file red.  Touching the art file did nothing.
 Next I shutdown the BDP, pulled the drive and looked at the file on the computer.  No weird stuff there so I restarted the BDP ( with auto update selected ), then reinserted the drive.  The .jpg file was still red.
 The file is 1536x1533 JPEG.  Is there a physical size limit on these art files?
 I wanted to resize the jpg file but Looking back on Windows Explorer the drive is not shown anymore.  Probably have to reboot the BDP again. :roll:

   Update:
 Rebooting BDP did let the drive be seen in Explorer.  Added more tracks and MM does accept them with a click ( in my case a tap ).  The only issue is...you have to back out and go back into the "Media Player" screen to turn the tracks gray.  I found smaller art ( 500x500 ) but it still shows in red although MM and MPAD both use the art.  Actually I see now that all the album art files are red.  Guess that's normal??
 It would be cool to have one of those circle-arrow thingies that would refresh the screen when touched.  Right now if I go back to the "default | Bryston BDP" tab in Safari the track time bar will be frozen forcing me to go to "Dashboard" > "Media Player" to unfreeze the screen.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103130)

Hi,

Folders and files that show up in red represent folders and files not in the MPD database.  This feature was develop so that users would no longer need to wait for there entire database to be scanned after adding a new album or song.  To add a file Or folder to the database push the plus button next to it.  You should see the update button change from white to blue.

Not all files or folders can be added, folders not containing audio files will never make it into the database and will always display in red.  Files that arn't audio files will also not be added.  This feature can be turned on and off from within the media player settings (gear seen in media player).

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Aug 2014, 06:19 am
Hi Chris,
Thank you.

I'll try ASAP. Bdp's airplay renderer Shareplay worked fine yesterday. It is needed a lot and I hope I don't have to uncheck when unchecking the others ? I indeed added the dlna renderer lately, but haven't used it yet....
Squeeze play isn't selected since I don't have a squeezebox .


edit:
Chris, it worked! i killed shairplay and the bdp started making sounds immediately .... `turned it on again though, because i need it, and still playing.

Any thoughts on how this happened, and sticked during many reboots?


Marius

Hi Marius,

So the BDP indicates that it is playing, but you hear nothing?

That is very strange, from the information you have posted the picture of the audio devices page indicates the following:

The BDP see's the integrated juli@ sound card, because it listed
The juli@ sound card is in the MPD config file (it's not in red)
It's uncheck because it isn't DSD capable.

My best guess is one of the streaming services (found under the services settings page) has taken control of the sound card and won't give it up.

The first thing I would do, assuming you havn't already is to into the services pages and make sure that the following are turned off:

Both squeezebox clients
Shareplay (airplay emulator)
Dlna renderer

Reboot the BDP and see if your still experiencing difficulties.  Also you can check the MPD log for ALSA errors.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 6 Aug 2014, 08:41 pm
Folders and files that show up in red represent folders and files not in the MPD database......  To add a file Or folder to the database push the plus button next to it.  You should see the update button change from white to blue.
Chris:
S2.05 2014-07-25.   ( Crucial MX100 512 in Vantec Nexstar CX 2.5 using Y cable. ). Drive works great.
 Red .jpg files make sense.  Helps distinguish them from music files.  Cool!
 The drive above is the one I want to add files to, but it is not shown in "Windows Explorer".  Instead I have an icon for "Printer and Fax" setup???  So I have: "Root" -- "(a 128GB thumb) -- "Printers & FAX". The 512 is missing.  A "Reboot" did not change this condition.  Is the drive not shown because it's using two USB ports? :scratch:
 Also, what about the MM screen refresh issue?

Thanks
Rich
 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Aug 2014, 12:50 am
Hi Chris,
Thank you.

I'll try ASAP. Bdp's airplay renderer Shareplay worked fine yesterday. It is needed a lot and I hope I don't have to uncheck when unchecking the others ? I indeed added the dlna renderer lately, but haven't used it yet....
Squeeze play isn't selected since I don't have a squeezebox .


edit:
Chris, it worked! i killed shairplay and the bdp started making sounds immediately .... `turned it on again though, because i need it, and still playing.

Any thoughts on how this happened, and sticked during many reboots?


Marius

I need to design some software to track which program is actively using the audio output device so it does this by itself.  It's a problem I am well aware of, I just havn't had a chance to look into the work around that doesn't compromise quality of playback.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Aug 2014, 12:54 am
Chris:
S2.05 2014-07-25.   ( Crucial MX100 512 in Vantec Nexstar CX 2.5 using Y cable. ). Drive works great.
 Red .jpg files make sense.  Helps distinguish them from music files.  Cool!
 The drive above is the one I want to add files to, but it is not shown in "Windows Explorer".  Instead I have an icon for "Printer and Fax" setup???  So I have: "Root" -- "(a 128GB thumb) -- "Printers & FAX". The 512 is missing.  A "Reboot" did not change this condition.  Is the drive not shown because it's using two USB ports? :scratch:
 Also, what about the MM screen refresh issue?

Thanks
Rich

Hi Rich,

This is a problem that has cropped up before, what appears to be occurring is the BDP is making the network share entries before it has had a chance to mount all the drives.  In the mean time if a drive doesn't show you can stop and then start the samba service from the services settings page.  More can be found on I think page 24 of the manic moose manual in regards to the function of the services page.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 7 Aug 2014, 05:06 pm
Chris:
 Thanks.  The Samba thing worked.  You guys at Bryston are very helpful.

Rich
Title: Upgrade to Manic Moose
Post by: Osadu on 11 Aug 2014, 08:50 pm
My BDP-1 is currently running on 1.48.2012-7-25 firmware.  Can I upgrade the firmware to Manic Moose from the 1.48?  Or, should I upgrade to 1.75 first?  What browser would you recommend?  Internet Explorer or Firefox or maybe something else?  Thanks for your help.

Osadu
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 12 Aug 2014, 12:56 am
Hi Chris:
  S2.05 2014-07-25. iPad 2. Safari
 Created a playlist in MPAD of approximately 1500 tracks ( Set MPD Playlist Length to 3000 ).  The playlist play OK from MPAD, but When I try to open MM / "Media Player" it locks up Safari solid forcing me to close and reopen the browser at which point Safari shows the default "Favorites" screen.  To get MM / "Media Player" to behave I have to first clear the playlist in MPAD.  The Safari History $ Cookies were cleared case that makes any diff.
  Locks up on Chrome also with the message "a program is unresponsive.  Kill it or Wait."  ( Windows XP ).  Is MM not quite ready for such large playlists?  :(

Thanks
Rich
 
Title: Re: Upgrade to Manic Moose
Post by: unincognito on 12 Aug 2014, 01:07 am
My BDP-1 is currently running on 1.48.2012-7-25 firmware.  Can I upgrade the firmware to Manic Moose from the 1.48?  Or, should I upgrade to 1.75 first?  What browser would you recommend?  Internet Explorer or Firefox or maybe something else?  Thanks for your help.

Osadu

Until you running manic moose I would recommend

Safari
Chrome
Firefox
Opera

In that order

Going from any version of loony loon to manic moose should be fine, however if you experience troubles upgrading to a newer version of loony loon you'll likely experience the same troubles upgrading to manic moose.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Aug 2014, 01:20 am
Hi Chris:
  S2.05 2014-07-25. iPad 2. Safari
 Created a playlist in MPAD of approximately 1500 tracks ( Set MPD Playlist Length to 3000 ).  The playlist play OK from MPAD, but When I try to open MM / "Media Player" it locks up Safari solid forcing me to close and reopen the browser at which point Safari shows the default "Favorites" screen.  To get MM / "Media Player" to behave I have to first clear the playlist in MPAD.  The Safari History $ Cookies were cleared case that makes any diff.
  Locks up on Chrome also with the message "a program is unresponsive.  Kill it or Wait."  ( Windows XP ).  Is MM not quite ready for such large playlists?  :(

Thanks
Rich

Manic moose web interface has some trade offs, things like the playlist aren't as optimized as they were in past versions of the firmware (ie Canadian beaver and loony loon).  Devices with fewer resources are going to struggle as the list of items increase.  This is why we set the default playlist length to 300.  If you either don't use our web interface or have a faster device that can handle a greater playlist then 300 you have the option to increase it.

Optimizing the performance is on the todo list to get what's lacking on par with the rest of the performance of the web interface.  There are a few reasons why it's not at the top of the playlist:

1. 300 songs is several days worth of playback
2. Only older devices seem to have issues, newer the device the more song It can generally handle

Basically the interface was built with looks and browser compatibility first over performance.  With that said there are others parts of the interface that are quicker to react due to our implementation of web sockets.

Cheers
Chris

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Spritz57 on 12 Aug 2014, 02:21 pm
I need some assistance.  I've recently joined the Bryston Ownership Club and I'm having no success with album art in "Artist View".  The album art does show in the "Default View".  I have designated a thumb drive as the Scratch Drive and my BDP-2 recognizes it as such.  The BDP has built the necessary data bases and the thumb drive shows data files but alas no album art is available in "Artist View".  Have I simply erred somewhere in the process?

Thanks for your support!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: scottsol on 12 Aug 2014, 02:35 pm


1. 300 songs is several days worth of playback


Those would have to be very long songs. If the songs had an average length of 5 minutes ( too long for pop singles) that would only get you 25 hours.

On the other hand, 300 tracks would let you fully program an all day (12 hour) party.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 12 Aug 2014, 04:21 pm

1. 300 songs is several days worth of playback

 Thing is, I use playlists almost exclusively.  Don't casually create playlists for some special occasion.  For LMS and the Touch I created dozens of .M3U playlists using JRiver, then had LMS point to them.  The playlists were something like "Symphonies", "Violin Concertos", "Solo Piano", "Jazz", "Rock" etc.....  The Jazz and Rock would be played scrambled ( more surprises that way ).  300 songs in a playlist like Jazz or Rock would tend to repeat without using "Consume".  around 2200 Jazz songs would require about eight 300 song playlists.  Not practical. :nono:
  Guess I'll use MM to set the max playlist size and use MPAD to create / play the playlists.  Just have to remember to clear the playlist from MPAD before opening MM.

Chris, Thanks for the clarification.
Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Aug 2014, 01:12 am
I need some assistance.  I've recently joined the Bryston Ownership Club and I'm having no success with album art in "Artist View".  The album art does show in the "Default View".  I have designated a thumb drive as the Scratch Drive and my BDP-2 recognizes it as such.  The BDP has built the necessary data bases and the thumb drive shows data files but alas no album art is available in "Artist View".  Have I simply erred somewhere in the process?

Thanks for your support!

Hi,

Thanks for purchasing our equipment.

The BDP's firmware has the ability to allow us remote access to them, this feature is known as service mode (more information can be found on page 25 of the manic moose user guide).  It's likely that the tag to sort the data buy needs to be changed from artist to albumartist, found in the media player settings.  If this doesn't work you should place your BDP into service mode and email us the service id and will be able to better determine what's wrong.

http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

crice[at]bryston[dot]com

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Aug 2014, 01:18 am
Those would have to be very long songs. If the songs had an average length of 5 minutes ( too long for pop singles) that would only get you 25 hours.

On the other hand, 300 tracks would let you fully program an all day (12 hour) party.

I randomly shoved in 300 songs from different folders and got any where from 36 to 42 hours of playback, granted that's not quite two days but it's quite.  Ultimately my point is that's just the default.  I've seen modern tablets handle thousands of songs, in that case a user could change it to a few thousand and not worry about accidental input.  Your currently stuck at what ever your using as a remote is capable of handling before you find the speed unacceptable.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Aug 2014, 01:22 am
Thing is, I use playlists almost exclusively.  Don't casually create playlists for some special occasion.  For LMS and the Touch I created dozens of .M3U playlists using JRiver, then had LMS point to them.  The playlists were something like "Symphonies", "Violin Concertos", "Solo Piano", "Jazz", "Rock" etc.....  The Jazz and Rock would be played scrambled ( more surprises that way ).  300 songs in a playlist like Jazz or Rock would tend to repeat without using "Consume".  around 2200 Jazz songs would require about eight 300 song playlists.  Not practical. :nono:
  Guess I'll use MM to set the max playlist size and use MPAD to create / play the playlists.  Just have to remember to clear the playlist from MPAD before opening MM.

Chris, Thanks for the clarification.
Rich

There is even a work around for this scenario, load the playlist, close the window, open the dashboard and you will still have basic playback functions

Play
Pause
Next track
Previous track
Toggle consume
Toggle shuffle
Toggle repeat
Clear

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Aug 2014, 06:40 am
Hi Chris,

Do we have any progress on the remote acces feature we've discussed earlier?

Would be wonderful to be able to
 remotely reach the bdp to upload music or even play over the network. Or any of the other commands like maitenance

Thanks
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 13 Aug 2014, 03:26 pm
There is even a work around for this scenario, load the playlist, close the window, open the dashboard and you will still have basic playback functions

Hi Chris:
  Yes that works, but at that point why not just use MPAD.  The reason I needed to get back into the MM "Media Player" has to do with adding songs to an existing playlist in MPAD.  The first playlist was named "Jazz" with around 800 songs.  Tracks were then added to that playlist and it was saved using the same name "Jazz".  When I closed and reopened the "Jazz" playlist the new tracks did not take.
  The solution was to add the new songs then save the playlist using a different name; in this case "Jazz2".  Now it became necessary to delete the "Jazz" playlist which I could find no way to do from within MPAD.  So MM was used for the delete function.  The first time MM was used for this purpose it locked up cause the large playlist was not cleared from MPAD first.
  Maybe I'm doing something wrong in MPAD when building playlists.  Perhaps there is a way to add songs more easily.  If anyone knows that info would be very helpful as I will be relying heavily on playlist creation.

Thanks
Rich

Hey Chris
 Would it be possible to add a button to the "Virtual Font Panel" to turn on and off the display?  Maybe even dim control as well. 8)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CraigS720 on 15 Aug 2014, 12:28 am
I have a strange problem. When I attempt to save a playlist, I give it a name and no matter what I title it, it saves it with the name "radio". When I try to make a second playlist with a different name, it still calls it "radio" and erases the first playlist. How do I fix that :-)

I am running Firmware S2.05 2014-07-25

Thanks.

Craig
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Aug 2014, 12:53 am
I have a strange problem. When I attempt to save a playlist, I give it a name and no matter what I title it, it saves it with the name "radio". When I try to make a second playlist with a different name, it still calls it "radio" and erases the first playlist. How do I fix that :-)

I am running Firmware S2.05 2014-07-25

Thanks.

Craig

Hi Craig,

Your going to have to wait for the next software update, it was suppose to be release this week; but I got taken off software development late last week to focus on the BOT.  Good news is as of this afternoon I'll be waiting for everything to be delivered by our Canadian manufacturers to be assembled so I have the next week to work on manic moose uninterrupted.  This problem was already brought to our attention and was resolved the week before; however the firmware in its current state has some features that are still incomplete.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Spritz57 on 15 Aug 2014, 01:31 pm
Chris,
I see from other replies you've been busy.  I put my BDP in service mode and sent an e-mail.  How will I know when Bryston has visited my BDP?  There was a large update but that did not fix my issues.
Thanks


Hi,

Thanks for purchasing our equipment.

The BDP's firmware has the ability to allow us remote access to them, this feature is known as service mode (more information can be found on page 25 of the manic moose user guide).  It's likely that the tag to sort the data buy needs to be changed from artist to albumartist, found in the media player settings.  If this doesn't work you should place your BDP into service mode and email us the service id and will be able to better determine what's wrong.

http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

crice[at]bryston[dot]com

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Aug 2014, 12:10 am
Chris,
I see from other replies you've been busy.  I put my BDP in service mode and sent an e-mail.  How will I know when Bryston has visited my BDP?  There was a large update but that did not fix my issues.
Thanks

I haven't seen any bdp's in service mode running firmware older then S2.05 today, is the bdp still in service mode and did you leave the bdp on?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 16 Aug 2014, 01:16 pm
James,

I haven't gotten a chance to go through this entire Topic section, so I'll just here...

Is Manic Moose still in Beta form or is it in its final release?

Also, can you point me to instructions on how to upgrade the firmware on a BDP-2?


Thanks,
Sam

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Aug 2014, 01:25 pm
James,

I haven't gotten a chance to go through this entire Topic section, so I'll just here...

Is Manic Moose still in Beta form or is it in its final release?

Also, can you point me to instructions on how to upgrade the firmware on a BDP-2?


Thanks,
Sam

Hi Sam

It is being used in production currently but Chris is still adding a few features as we go and also getting feedback from our customers on other things they would like to see.

Depending on your version of software the upgrade path can be a little challenging but once you have the latest version of MM then things straight out.

The best option is to put your BDP in SERVICE MODE and email Chris the service number showing on the BDP display then he can remotely connect and update your unit for you.

james



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 16 Aug 2014, 04:34 pm
Hi Sam

It is being used in production currently but Chris is still adding a few features as we go and also getting feedback from our customers on other things they would like to see.

Depending on your version of software the upgrade path can be a little challenging but once you have the latest version of MM then things straight out.

The best option is to put your BDP in SERVICE MODE and email Chris the service number showing on the BDP display then he can remotely connect and update your unit for you.

james

OK thanks James!

Any idea when the final release of MM be available?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Spritz57 on 16 Aug 2014, 06:19 pm
I haven't seen any bdp's in service mode running firmware older then S2.05 today, is the bdp still in service mode and did you leave the bdp on?

Cheers,
Chris

I left it on for two days after putting it in service mode and sent the email with the number.  Then it occurred to me how do I know when you've visited so I posted the question here.  Since the same issues are present, I'll put it in Service Mode on Monday and send another e-mail with the service number. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: kevin360 on 17 Aug 2014, 02:08 am
I installed and then updated Manic Moose in my BDP-1 last night and it was nearly smooth as silk. 'Partitioning Stage 4' displayed until the display went blank. hence it was in an idle state. Cycling the power finished the initial build without any hint of quirkiness. I liked the old interface, but the new one is definitely better. So far, it operates like a proper release (rather than a beta), except that TV mode doesn't work too well on my laptop.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gaustabl on 17 Aug 2014, 06:22 am
Hello.
i tried upgrading my bdp-1 today and got this message:
Downloading firmware filesystem
0 100% @1880
Downloading boot drivers
0 100% @2157
Downloading vmlinuz image
0 100% @2115
Running Filesystem Check: b501dbb5d56bb6261209449daf6e83c2 /lib/live/mount/medium/live/filesystem.new
: Filsystem Check Failed: md5 values different
Should Be:
Calculated: b501dbb5
You should try redownloading this version of the firmware and try again

have tried numerous times, and also rebooted the bdp-1

best regards Lars
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 18 Aug 2014, 10:42 am
I had no problems last night with the update. But I have not yet listened to any music, so I have no idea if everything works ok. But at least it loaded and installed correctly.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Aug 2014, 01:21 am
I left it on for two days after putting it in service mode and sent the email with the number.  Then it occurred to me how do I know when you've visited so I posted the question here.  Since the same issues are present, I'll put it in Service Mode on Monday and send another e-mail with the service number.

Just check the system page found under settings, it should say S2.05 2014-07-11 or 25.

Also if your wondering what's been fixed, check out the readme file display'd on he firmware update page.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Aug 2014, 01:26 am
Hello.
i tried upgrading my bdp-1 today and got this message:
Downloading firmware filesystem
0 100% @1880
Downloading boot drivers
0 100% @2157
Downloading vmlinuz image
0 100% @2115
Running Filesystem Check: b501dbb5d56bb6261209449daf6e83c2 /lib/live/mount/medium/live/filesystem.new
: Filsystem Check Failed: md5 values different
Should Be:
Calculated: b501dbb5
You should try redownloading this version of the firmware and try again

have tried numerous times, and also rebooted the bdp-1

best regards Lars




I suspect your running firmware prior to S2.05, likley S2.04.  You will need to place the BDP into service mode and email us the service id.  There are links in the readme file that appears just before you attempt an update.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 22 Aug 2014, 06:23 pm
Hi Chris,

Thanks for another update!

Brought some issues to my setup though:
- flickering browser page while scrolling the albums list
- red highlighted entries that won't go away with clicking the +-sign both in the root and in the folders.

might be an Apple issue too, since one of the culprits is  _ds-store and again the .albumdb. Cant screenshot the ds-store, since Manic Moose refuses to show the end of page, and keeps flickering up the page, rendering it kind of useless really. sorry, but thats just like it is right now. Check this of .pdf, jpeg ea...


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104239)

hope you can fix this .


made a shot of the .alubumdb fyi


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104235)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 22 Aug 2014, 11:49 pm
I am running the latest July firmware. Today, i saw there was an update, so I attempted it, without success.

It just hangs on that screen, though I can click any button and go elsewhere. I put it in service mode and emailed Chris the service id.

Here's the screen:

------------------
Downloading firmware filesystem
undefined% @undefined
Downloading boot drivers
100% @8
Downloading vmlinuz image

Micro Kernel Check Failed: md5 value missingMicro Kernel Check Failed: md5 value missing
------------------

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 23 Aug 2014, 12:40 am
Just to confirm, can you tell us what the build date is of your current firmware? You'll find it in settings/system/about from the manic moose dashboard.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 23 Aug 2014, 12:56 am
S2.05 2014-07-25
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.17.5
Kernel: 3.12-0.bpo.1-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Aug 2014, 12:24 pm
Hi Chris,

did some investigating, and the scrolling issue appears to be Safari Browser related. In Chrome, i can scroll to the bottom of the folder list without any problems. Whenever a folder list is longer than the available window, the bottom of the list pushes the command button section out of view, and Safari wants to keep that top of the page in view. Thus preventing the bottom of the folder list to be displayed. Chrome doesn't, is showing the file/folders to the full extent, but allows scrolling the command buttons out of view, which is unexpected/unwanted also?


The red files: those were several issues acting up simultaneously. First of all some file types are just not music files, but need to be there. Like .cue files and image files, and plain text files with libretti/songtexts. Will you adapt behavior of MM to not show these? Then it appeared i again had the famous orphan Apple files. Have deleted them with my set of special tools. Gone they are in MM!

The thing is, im not sure if this reappearing of the Apple file issue on the BDP has to do with recent firmware upgrades, or a new Macbook ;-) Did you change anything that might result in showing these hidden apple files again? They do not display in my Finder with the hidden file setting active. Tinkertool System and Blueharvest only find them after copying to the attached USB drives on the BDP.
 
I did make some screen videos, but the AC won't allow to upload those.

Cheers,
M

Hi Chris,

Thanks for another update!

Brought some issues to my setup though:
- flickering browser page while scrolling the albums list
- red highlighted entries that won't go away with clicking the +-sign both in the root and in the folders.

might be an Apple issue too, since one of the culprits is  _ds-store and again the .albumdb. Cant screenshot the ds-store, since Manic Moose refuses to show the end of page, and keeps flickering up the page, rendering it kind of useless really. sorry, but thats just like it is right now. Check this of .pdf, jpeg ea...


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104239)

hope you can fix this .


made a shot of the .alubumdb fyi


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104235)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Aug 2014, 03:25 pm
Hi Chris,

Ive noticed root/mnt/img is not accessible anymore. Could you please allow that again, i need to make some playlists again for my Internet radiostations and need access.

Thanks,
M
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 27 Aug 2014, 11:54 am
Hi Chris,

Here's a bug report. The "Enter song, artist, or album title" text in the search box will appear correctly upon first page load in Chrome, but if I click off the tab in which the interface is loaded, then go back to it, the text will move. This happens in Chrome only on my Windows machine, and has persisted through the last couple of Chrome updates. Odd.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104473)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: renato on 27 Aug 2014, 05:52 pm
Hallo,

I'd like to upgrade my firmare to new MM. I saw there a long history about it (40 pages!), so I ask you please if you can help me in this migration. Here is my BD1 data:

BD1
LL Release s 1.75 2014-05-1
MPD 0.5.12
Kernel 2.6.32-5-486

I gathered this data from Service panels display.
How can I get the new firmware? I have just downloaded the MM manual from the website.

BTW. just bought BD2 and they play together in a big shape!

Best


Thank You
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 27 Aug 2014, 07:34 pm
Hi Renato, Here's the update instructions.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nf2uiwywmqe4yis/BDP%20Manic%20Moose%20Update.pdf?dl=1
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: renato on 27 Aug 2014, 08:41 pm
thank you!
just one clarificatoion. In the documentation it is written that I have to insert one thumb drive with at least 1gb of free space. Now my BD1 is directly connected (USB port) to a hard disk with 1T of free space or I can use a USB drive in one of the usb free ports. Which is the best?

Thanks

R
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 28 Aug 2014, 01:12 am
thank you!
just one clarificatoion. In the documentation it is written that I have to insert one thumb drive with at least 1gb of free space. Now my BD1 is directly connected (USB port) to a hard disk with 1T of free space or I can use a USB drive in one of the usb free ports. Which is the best?

Thanks

R

Either or, the BDP will just use the first drive it comes across that meets this requirement.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: renato on 28 Aug 2014, 01:15 pm
Thanks all,

I succedeed. The "U" phase (the fourth) took a while but it's on. Now I hope to test this new firmware soon (eventually apply any other updates).
Great community, really.

R
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 28 Aug 2014, 09:38 pm
Hi Chris
S2.05 2014-08-18.  iPad2 Safari

 Added three tracks via Windows Explorer.  They did not show in MM.  Did a "Reboot" from Dashboard / System.  Still no show.  Had to shutdown and restart the BDP to see the new tracks.  Am I missing something?  They used to show up in red when added in the above manner.

 Getting occasional dropouts on 88 and 96 FLAC from a 128GB thummy, PNY Classic Attaché.  The dropouts are not at repeatable locations.

Thanks
Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Aug 2014, 12:58 am
Hi Chris
S2.05 2014-08-18.  iPad2 Safari

 Added three tracks via Windows Explorer.  They did not show in MM.  Did a "Reboot" from Dashboard / System.  Still no show.  Had to shutdown and restart the BDP to see the new tracks.  Am I missing something?  They used to show up in red when added in the above manner.

 Getting occasional dropouts on 88 and 96 FLAC from a 128GB thummy, PNY Classic Attaché.  The dropouts are not at repeatable locations.

Thanks
Rich

Hi Rich,

Make sure the option to display missing files is turned on in the media player settings (the gear in media player).

Is the BDP-1 or 2?  Was the BDP updating its database while this was occurring?  Have you tried playing the same files from a different source drive?  Is there skipping while playing back Highres material included on the USB thumb drive?

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: renato on 29 Aug 2014, 03:49 pm
Hi all,

the MDP panel doesn't allow me to make any change. this is the settings window:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104563)

1. I'd like to change the mpd version and / or reduce the maximum playlist length, but I don't know how confirm my changes.
2. despite what is shown in my picture, the box related to "Enable Update at Start Up" appears to be checked because at every start two boring things happen: a) release 0.17.5 MDP is re-installed and b) a full update is performed even if no changes are in the DB.

Release of MM is 2.0.5 18 August 2014.

Any idea? Thanks in advance

R




Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 29 Aug 2014, 05:14 pm
Hi Chris
BDP-2
 OK did the Missing Files thing.  It was unchecked.  I'm sure new stuff will show now.
 The BDP was not updating "U".  Loaded the files from the master to a the Crucial SSD external and created essentially the same small playlist.  So far, after one play through, no dropouts.  I figured as soon as I finished the previous sentence it would dropout, but as I listen all is good starting the second round.
 Problem may have been with the thummy, which bothers me as there is a lack of information on which thumb drives work best with the BDP.  James said any will do which is apparently not the case.  Now I'm stuck with a lame 128GB thumb drive.   :cry:  By the way, the drive only had 82GB of track loaded on it.  Plenty of free space.
 I'm no expert but the fact that the track starts almost instantly when play is touched makes me wonder how much buffer is being used.  Is it possible the data could not be pulled out of the thumb drive fast enough to keep up?  Sounds unrealistic to me, but I'm grasping at straws here to figure out why the dropouts occurred.

Thanks
Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 29 Aug 2014, 06:16 pm
I am running the latest July firmware. Today, i saw there was an update, so I attempted it, without success.

It just hangs on that screen, though I can click any button and go elsewhere. I put it in service mode and emailed Chris the service id.

Here's the screen:

------------------
Downloading firmware filesystem
undefined% @undefined
Downloading boot drivers
100% @8
Downloading vmlinuz image

Micro Kernel Check Failed: md5 value missingMicro Kernel Check Failed: md5 value missing
------------------

- Garrett

No idea what changed, but yesterday the new firmware installed just fine. Probably a glitch in the miracle of the internet.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Aug 2014, 03:06 pm
Hi all,

the MDP panel doesn't allow me to make any change. this is the settings window:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104563)

1. I'd like to change the mpd version and / or reduce the maximum playlist length, but I don't know how confirm my changes.
2. despite what is shown in my picture, the box related to "Enable Update at Start Up" appears to be checked because at every start two boring things happen: a) release 0.17.5 MDP is re-installed and b) a full update is performed even if no changes are in the DB.

Release of MM is 2.0.5 18 August 2014.

Any idea? Thanks in advance

R

Updating the database upon startup is the default behaviour of the BDP, in the past we have found this to be the most straight forward configuration for those less technically incline, so we try to set the default behaviour in there interests.

In your screen shot, just below anyways there should be entry boxes for a username and password for last.fm and then below that an apply button.  It is this apply button that initiates the changes, you may need to set them twice, but it's submitted through Ajax so it should be quick.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Aug 2014, 03:11 pm
Hi Chris
BDP-2
 OK did the Missing Files thing.  It was unchecked.  I'm sure new stuff will show now.
 The BDP was not updating "U".  Loaded the files from the master to a the Crucial SSD external and created essentially the same small playlist.  So far, after one play through, no dropouts.  I figured as soon as I finished the previous sentence it would dropout, but as I listen all is good starting the second round.
 Problem may have been with the thummy, which bothers me as there is a lack of information on which thumb drives work best with the BDP.  James said any will do which is apparently not the case.  Now I'm stuck with a lame 128GB thumb drive.   :cry:  By the way, the drive only had 82GB of track loaded on it.  Plenty of free space.
 I'm no expert but the fact that the track starts almost instantly when play is touched makes me wonder how much buffer is being used.  Is it possible the data could not be pulled out of the thumb drive fast enough to keep up?  Sounds unrealistic to me, but I'm grasping at straws here to figure out why the dropouts occurred.

Thanks
Rich

Some thumb drives have slow transfer rates that can't keep up, it's less of an issue with cd quality stuff as the bitrate is so slow.  Once you get in 88/96k territory you need read speed in the multiple MB per second.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 31 Aug 2014, 07:16 pm
Some thumb drives have slow transfer rates that can't keep up, it's less of an issue with cd quality stuff as the bitrate is so slow.  Once you get in 88/96k territory you need read speed in the multiple MB per second.

It may be the thumb drive - I would expect any 128GB stick of recent vintage to easily manage 24/196 files - I'm using slowish (around 3MB/s sustained) sticks to play high res in uncompressed (AIFF) format on a BDP2, and haven't experienced dropouts related to speed. Did you try checking the drive with chkdsk or mac disk utility? If FAT or exFAT is the problem, you may want to try a different format (since MM, the BDP reads just about any, including Apple file system).

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 31 Aug 2014, 08:14 pm
HI Chris,

- Any thoughts on the issues below please? Would love to dismiss the red entries for the non music files, while keeping them red for non-indexed music files.

- is the .albumdb needed, or can i just delete in from the drive.

thnks,
Marius

Hi Chris,

did some investigating, and the scrolling issue appears to be Safari Browser related. In Chrome, i can scroll to the bottom of the folder list without any problems. Whenever a folder list is longer than the available window, the bottom of the list pushes the command button section out of view, and Safari wants to keep that top of the page in view. Thus preventing the bottom of the folder list to be displayed. Chrome doesn't, is showing the file/folders to the full extent, but allows scrolling the command buttons out of view, which is unexpected/unwanted also?


The red files: those were several issues acting up simultaneously. First of all some file types are just not music files, but need to be there. Like .cue files and image files, and plain text files with libretti/songtexts. Will you adapt behavior of MM to not show these? Then it appeared i again had the famous orphan Apple files. Have deleted them with my set of special tools. Gone they are in MM!

The thing is, im not sure if this reappearing of the Apple file issue on the BDP has to do with recent firmware upgrades, or a new Macbook ;-) Did you change anything that might result in showing these hidden apple files again? They do not display in my Finder with the hidden file setting active. Tinkertool System and Blueharvest only find them after copying to the attached USB drives on the BDP.
 
I did make some screen videos, but the AC won't allow to upload those.

Cheers,
M
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 1 Sep 2014, 07:16 am
HI Chris,

as of lately, mpd-watch doesn't prevent the BDP from loosing connection after a longer while of non-usage. Apparently writing files to the attached usb drives doesn't count as usage, since just did that through Finder/Mac, and still MPD won't respond.

Rebooting it is the only solution to bring it back alive again. Strangely rebooting is possible from within MM, while most other commands won't work.

in MM interface you state MPD-watch being useful when playing music non-stop for more than 18 hours. It seems we need the same functionality for not playing at all for the same period?

Also, after rebooting, often MPD is not working, and i have to explicitly re-enable the service. on several other occasions, MM states the BDP is not connected to the internet, and the network drive is offline, which of course it isn't.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104689)

im on build 08-18

Hope you could  fix the page scrolling-flickering issue soon? it is not only terrible on the eye, but it prevents us to show the bottom of the page, exactly the spot you've programmed the non-indexed music-files to be listed...

updating the database renders the BDP to be unresponsive and out of service altogether right now, not even showing it is updating....:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104690)



Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: renato on 1 Sep 2014, 01:25 pm
Thanks a lot, Chris.

I'll try tonight at home. Update phase takes a long time since the files quantity so I prefer to manage update phase by my self.

Cheers

R
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Sep 2014, 03:19 pm
HI Chris,

as of lately, mpd-watch doesn't prevent the BDP from loosing connection after a longer while of non-usage. Apparently writing files to the attached usb drives doesn't count as usage, since just did that through Finder/Mac, and still MPD won't respond.

Rebooting it is the only solution to bring it back alive again. Strangely rebooting is possible from within MM, while most other commands won't work.

in MM interface you state MPD-watch being useful when playing music non-stop for more than 18 hours. It seems we need the same functionality for not playing at all for the same period?

Also, after rebooting, often MPD is not working, and i have to explicitly re-enable the service. on several other occasions, MM states the BDP is not connected to the internet, and the network drive is offline, which of course it isn't.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104689)

im on build 08-18

Hope you could  fix the page scrolling-flickering issue soon? it is not only terrible on the eye, but it prevents us to show the bottom of the page, exactly the spot you've programmed the non-indexed music-files to be listed...

updating the database renders the BDP to be unresponsive and out of service altogether right now, not even showing it is updating....:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104690)



Cheers,
Marius

I've been experiencing a similar issue with my personal BDP-1 at home, problem is it doesn't appear to ever to lock up while top is running from terminal.  My current fix is to always have a terminal window on your mac open running top from the BDP  :lol:

I am aware that this freezing/crashing is occurring, but I haven't been able to gather any information as to what is causing it.

I have been trying to fix these flickering issues, the only ones I have noticed (been able to reproduce) so far have to do with the scrolling marquee.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: docder on 2 Sep 2014, 10:32 pm
Hi,

I had the flickering images using Safari but things seems to have settled down now. One problem I have is there is no sample/bit rate showing per track and the cover art is all wrong, it should be the cover of Out to Lunch -

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104768)

regards

David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Sep 2014, 07:06 am
Hi Chris,
Thanks,

Ill have to rephrase my previous comment on being able to reboot through MM.
I thought i was, but yesterday i found out the reboot command in MM didn't really reboot the bdp. It was still in locked state, the display showing tracks from when i last played it more than a day before. MM had been faking reboots :scratch:  Physically rebooting it did of course (power off/power on) help, and i was able to talk to the bdp again.

This well explains why after rebooting the mentioned issues weren't solved... The BDP was still in locked state. As to how MM displays the rebooting sequence, while in fact it isn't, is beyond me, maybe some extra coding is necessary to make sure MM displays the true physical state of the BDP.

Ill send you the screen movies of the screen flickering per mail if thats ok with you. AC won't allow posting movies.

Cheers,
Marius

ps any specific Top command line option to set? Ill go and give it a try
ps 2 Marquee is not enabled

 
I've been experiencing a similar issue with my personal BDP-1 at home, problem is it doesn't appear to ever to lock up while top is running from terminal.  My current fix is to always have a terminal window on your mac open running top from the BDP  :lol:

I am aware that this freezing/crashing is occurring, but I haven't been able to gather any information as to what is causing it.

I have been trying to fix these flickering issues, the only ones I have noticed (been able to reproduce) so far have to do with the scrolling marquee.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Sep 2014, 01:07 am
Hi Marius,

It's likley loading the pages out of your browsers cache, basically the JavaScript sends the command and then assumes the BDP received it.

Yah just issue "top" then push "d", this will let you edit how often it refreshes.  I usually set it for one second, by default it should 3 seconds.  Finally push "c", this should give you full command so if it's a perl script then it will indicate which perl script.  Also you may want to make the terminal window as large as possible as the commands won't wrap, I don't know if there is a shortcut for this.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: thomlieb on 5 Sep 2014, 08:59 pm
Odd problem here. I have been using two large Western Digital hard drives with my BDP-1 since I got it. One of them never was accessible over the network (showed up, but that was it), but was usable via Mpad. After installing the latest firmware, it does not even show up on the front panel drive list on the BDP-1. Switched its input with the other drive, and it still did not appear. Since half my collection is on it, this is not good. Any ideas what might be going on?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Sep 2014, 02:01 pm
Odd problem here. I have been using two large Western Digital hard drives with my BDP-1 since I got it. One of them never was accessible over the network (showed up, but that was it), but was usable via Mpad. After installing the latest firmware, it does not even show up on the front panel drive list on the BDP-1. Switched its input with the other drive, and it still did not appear. Since half my collection is on it, this is not good. Any ideas what might be going on?

Does it show up in disk information?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 6 Sep 2014, 05:25 pm
Odd problem here. I have been using two large Western Digital hard drives with my BDP-1 since I got it. One of them never was accessible over the network (showed up, but that was it), but was usable via Mpad. After installing the latest firmware, it does not even show up on the front panel drive list on the BDP-1. Switched its input with the other drive, and it still did not appear. Since half my collection is on it, this is not good. Any ideas what might be going on?

Pull the drive and connect it to a computer, just to make sure the drive is accessible. If that doesn't work, try changing the cable. Also, if it has an external power supply, see if that's working (does the drive spin up when you plug it in?).

That will at least eliminate the drive as the problem. Even if the cable works on a computer, you might try changing it anyway, just in case.

- Garrett

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Sep 2014, 10:12 am
Never had this before.....Chris  :scratch:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105051)


Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: thomlieb on 10 Sep 2014, 02:21 am
Quote from: thomlieb on  5 Sep 2014, 08:59 pm
Odd problem here. I have been using two large Western Digital hard drives with my BDP-1 since I got it. One of them never was accessible over the network (showed up, but that was it), but was usable via Mpad. After installing the latest firmware, it does not even show up on the front panel drive list on the BDP-1. Switched its input with the other drive, and it still did not appear. Since half my collection is on it, this is not good. Any ideas what might be going on?

Does it show up in disk information?

It does not. The drive is a WD 2 Tb drive. I tried two others I have of the same size, and the same problem is happening. Larger drives are working fine. All drives also work fine on the computer. As I noted, the 2 Tb drive was never accessible over the network -- showed up but I could not open the folder or update it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 10 Sep 2014, 08:24 am
I had same issue more than one year ago when connecting two large HDD on USB, one was not mounted in 80% of the cases
I could not find solution to this issue, so I bought a NAS for 100$ and put the two drives inside. Since then I have no more problems
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: thomlieb on 10 Sep 2014, 01:51 pm
Thanks, TTSTO. But the weird thing is that since the upgrade, all the WD 2 Tb drives are not recognized at all by the BDP-1. It is no longer a question of the second drive not mounting - even when I have tried to attach one of my three 2 Tb drives individually, they do no show up. I am wondering if there is a USB version issue since they are older than my more recent, larger drives.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 10 Sep 2014, 03:05 pm
In this case maybe something was corrupt during upgrade.
See if USB mount is checked in Services section.
If this is not, probably you should put BDP in service mode and email Bryston support

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: thomlieb on 10 Sep 2014, 06:34 pm
I might not be being clear enough with my problem. Before the upgrade, I had one 2 Tb and one 4 Tb Western Digital hard drives with my music. I could access all music from mPad or front panel but could see but not access the smaller drive from my computer. After the upgrade, the 2 Tb does not register at all with the BDP-1 no matter how I try, even when it is the only drive connected to the BDP-1. I substituted two other identical HDs, using all the USB inputs, and none are recognized. HOWEVER, the 4 Tb drive is still recognized, as is a 3 Tb drive I have sitting around. So it doesn't sound like a general error, just something in the upgrade that prevents these drives from being accepted. I sent Chris a note a few weeks back but have not heard anything from him.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: renato on 11 Sep 2014, 02:30 pm
Hi,

I run MM from my Nokia Lumia with Windows 8.1 and Explorer but I do not understand why every bdp boot implies the reinstallation of the MDP.
any idea?

best regards

R
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Sep 2014, 01:41 am
Thanks, TTSTO. But the weird thing is that since the upgrade, all the WD 2 Tb drives are not recognized at all by the BDP-1. It is no longer a question of the second drive not mounting - even when I have tried to attach one of my three 2 Tb drives individually, they do no show up. I am wondering if there is a USB version issue since they are older than my more recent, larger drives.

Are they bus powered? It sounds like the BDP isn't even seeing them as devices if they don't even show up under disk information.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Sep 2014, 01:44 am
I might not be being clear enough with my problem. Before the upgrade, I had one 2 Tb and one 4 Tb Western Digital hard drives with my music. I could access all music from mPad or front panel but could see but not access the smaller drive from my computer. After the upgrade, the 2 Tb does not register at all with the BDP-1 no matter how I try, even when it is the only drive connected to the BDP-1. I substituted two other identical HDs, using all the USB inputs, and none are recognized. HOWEVER, the 4 Tb drive is still recognized, as is a 3 Tb drive I have sitting around. So it doesn't sound like a general error, just something in the upgrade that prevents these drives from being accepted. I sent Chris a note a few weeks back but have not heard anything from him.

I can tell you it wasn't due to the upgrade, I havn't touched that part of the firmware since it was released.  The quickes way of figuring these things out is placing the BDP into service mode and emailing us the service id, otherwise I can only guess and that's frustrating for everyone.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Sep 2014, 01:49 am
Hi,

I run MM from my Nokia Lumia with Windows 8.1 and Explorer but I do not understand why every bdp boot implies the reinstallation of the MDP.
any idea?

best regards

R

Short answer: yup, that happens

Long answer: the BDP's firmware is stored in a compressed live filesystem, so any changes made to the filesystem are wiped out when ever the BDP is powered off.  The version of MPD is selectable and the message confirms the correct version is being installed.  This is done for a few reasons, it makes the firmware easy to upgrade and less likley to fail, the OS is more stable as if any filesystem corruption does occur it's fixed by rebooting and if something else goes wrong, well a reboot fixes that as well.  A default version of MPD isn't installed by default as it appears installing another one in this enviroment cleaner and with the new streaming features people may not want to use the BDP as we intended.  The BDP's equivalent to a regestry (user space) is seperate from the file system, so if this breaks it can be fixed without reloading the firmware (factory reset).  This is how we get what is essentially a computer to behave a bit better and with fewer hassles.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Sep 2014, 06:40 am
Hi Chris,

Is there any chance you w

ill be implementing the use of the dedicated music keys on the keyboard for MM, and, even better , the lock screen options on the iPhone? So cool to not have to wake up the computer/phone, and still be able to command the music player .


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105213)

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Sep 2014, 12:39 pm
Hi Chris,

Is there any chance you w

ill be implementing the use of the dedicated music keys on the keyboard for MM, and, even better , the lock screen options on the iPhone? So cool to not have to wake up the computer/phone, and still be able to command the music player .


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105213)

Thanks,
Marius

I don't know if I can do anything about the lock screen on an iphone/iPad, that seems like the sort of thing apple would limit. 

If I understand correctly you wish to connect a USB keyboard (wired or wireless) to the BDP to control it?  This shouldn't be a problem.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Sep 2014, 08:38 am
Hi Chris,

No, i did not refer to a keyboard to the bdp. I really meant the keyboard of the computer MM is running on. Most keyboards have dedicated play/pause/stop/forward/back (and volume) keys that control the music software that is running on that computer. Itunes, Audirvana etc etc all react to those keys.

I think it would be great if MM would be able to do that to.

And the other thing, the lock screen: the screen i provided is a Tune In screen. others do it to, they are not a
Apple apps. Music apps that are running while the iphone powers down in lock screen. Alex and the likes use it to great effect. The command keys are available, without having to enter the Iphone again.

Mpod doesn't use this functionality yet, unfortunately. Don't know if a browser app like MM would be able to use this, but it would certainly be wonderful.

Plex reminds me again of my earlier question: will you implement being able to play BDP connected music files on the machine whiteness running MM? Iphone in my case. MM on it reads the MPD and commands the BDP, but it would also be very nice to be able to play the files on the iphone. Plex enables me to read/play my entire home library wherever i am. MM could do that too!

Last question: when will we be able to access the BDP without being on the local network. I can download music files to my NAS from anywhere in the world, but cant copy them to my BDP.... Would be very nice to be able to update / change the library from a distance, and, read system settings , update / check the firmware etc etc.

Cheers,

Marius

 
I don't know if I can do anything about the lock screen on an iphone/iPad, that seems like the sort of thing apple would limit. 

If I understand correctly you wish to connect a USB keyboard (wired or wireless) to the BDP to control it?  This shouldn't be a problem.

Cheers
Chris
Title: DSD files
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 16 Sep 2014, 01:05 am
does the new firmware allow the BDP-2 to play any of the folling file types , DFF, DSF, ISO?
Title: Re: DSD files
Post by: unincognito on 16 Sep 2014, 01:38 pm
does the new firmware allow the BDP-2 to play any of the folling file types , DFF, DSF, ISO?

dff and dsf should play, but will require a usb Class 2 Audio dac capable of decoding DoP.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bk12 on 18 Sep 2014, 01:29 am
Is there a way for users to add stations to the B-Radio themselves?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: dgarratt on 23 Sep 2014, 10:09 am
Hi Chris,

Quick questions for you...I'm considering purchasing a bdp2, wondering if the bdp would appear as a renderer if I was to install a generic dlna control application on my iPad or iPhone. If not..why? Can and will this implemented in the future? I'm not a fan of the mpad or mpod applications, to me they look dated.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 23 Sep 2014, 02:02 pm
Hi Chris,

Quick questions for you...I'm considering purchasing a bdp2, wondering if the bdp would appear as a renderer if I was to install a generic dlna control application on my iPad or iPhone. If not..why? Can and will this implemented in the future? I'm not a fan of the mpad or mpod applications, to me they look dated.

Thanks in advance.
Yes, in the "services" menu, you can can elect to turn on the DLNA/UPNP Renderer option.
Title: Beginning of songs cutting off
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 23 Sep 2014, 07:19 pm
I'm using 2.05 08-18-2014
Using with BDP-2
not sure if anyone is having this problem
and even if it's the new firmware or if it's the player
The fiirst second or two of songs , usually the first song in a playlist
is being cut off, so the song starts with the beginning cut off
Is this just me?
Title: Re: Beginning of songs cutting off
Post by: unincognito on 23 Sep 2014, 08:57 pm
I'm using 2.05 08-18-2014
Using with BDP-2
not sure if anyone is having this problem
and even if it's the new firmware or if it's the player
The fiirst second or two of songs , usually the first song in a playlist
is being cut off, so the song starts with the beginning cut off
Is this just me?

I suspect its your storage, if the issue occurs and you click the track again does the issue repeat?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: dgarratt on 23 Sep 2014, 10:46 pm
Can anyone tell me where this new firmware is available for download? Looking at the BDP-2 page on the Bryston website it only seems to list a version from 2012.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 24 Sep 2014, 12:28 pm
Try here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nf2uiwywmqe4yis/BDP%20Manic%20Moose%20Update.pdf?dl=1
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: dgarratt on 24 Sep 2014, 09:48 pm
Try here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nf2uiwywmqe4yis/BDP%20Manic%20Moose%20Update.pdf?dl=1

Great, thanks.
Title: skipping the beginning of tracks
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 24 Sep 2014, 11:41 pm
thanks Chris
no it doesn't skip when I reset the track
So storage makes a difference?
It's my toshiba hard drive
I'll try the Seagate.
Is ther anything to look for in a hard drive
to avoid the skipping problem?
Title: skipping beginning of track
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 24 Sep 2014, 11:50 pm
I t doesnt do it  with my Seagate drive
what makes the difference?
Title: skipping beginning of tracks
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 25 Sep 2014, 12:07 am
also do you have a practical brand preference of USB external hard drives?
Title: Re: skipping the beginning of tracks
Post by: unincognito on 25 Sep 2014, 03:17 am
thanks Chris
no it doesn't skip when I reset the track
So storage makes a difference?
It's my toshiba hard drive
I'll try the Seagate.
Is ther anything to look for in a hard drive
to avoid the skipping problem?

Yah there are a number of things that cause this, i find it happens most often when you use a NAS but the sleep function in some drives can also cause it to occur.  I just more or less expect and just tap the first track a second time after its started (depending on the source).  Drive manufacturers change there firmware year to year and just because you buy seagate, western digital or other name hard drive doesn't mean it contains a drive by that manufacturer.

cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Sep 2014, 03:19 am
Hello everyone, for those who are not yet aware we have started our own forum to provide support for our products.  Hopefully by having our own support forum where people will be able to create new topics in categories related to the product it will make finding answers easier.

So, please join us over at http://support.bryston.com (http://support.bryston.com)

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Oct 2014, 02:53 pm
HI Chris,

Will you somewhere soon fix the scrolling problems in MM? Scrolling down to the bottom of the folder list in Mediaplayer is impossible on Safari/Mac right now. Unable to reach Wagner.... making my days really hard to endure ;-)

Please fix!


Thanks, Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Oct 2014, 04:31 am
HI Chris,

Will you somewhere soon fix the scrolling problems in MM? Scrolling down to the bottom of the folder list in Mediaplayer is impossible on Safari/Mac right now. Unable to reach Wagner.... making my days really hard to endure ;-)

Please fix!


Thanks, Marius

I didn't realize this was a problem, i have always been able to reach the bottom, would you mind sending a screen shot, perhaps i am misunderstanding or missing something?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Oct 2014, 05:36 am
Hi Chris,
I will, I've already sent you some Screenmovies per mail.

Please check post 797 also.

Cheers Marius

I didn't realize this was a problem, i have always been able to reach the bottom, would you mind sending a screen shot, perhaps i am misunderstanding or missing something?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Oct 2014, 05:24 pm
Hi Chris,

I can't get a screenshot to show the issue, since it keeps scrolling back automatically.

AC won't allow posts of screenmovies though.

The issue is that scrolling down to the bottom of a long folder list, the menu/command area scrolls out of the top of the main window, and since MM wants to keep that in place, pushes it down again, but also pushes the bottom folders down. In my case 4 folders.

Hope this is clear enough, if not let me know please. Ive also resent my mail of september 3d, please find it in your mailbox.

Thanks,
Marius

Hi Chris,
I will, I've already sent you some Screenmovies per mail.

Please check post 797 also.

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Oct 2014, 01:34 am
Hi Chris,

I can't get a screenshot to show the issue, since it keeps scrolling back automatically.

AC won't allow posts of screenmovies though.

The issue is that scrolling down to the bottom of a long folder list, the menu/command area scrolls out of the top of the main window, and since MM wants to keep that in place, pushes it down again, but also pushes the bottom folders down. In my case 4 folders.

Hope this is clear enough, if not let me know please. Ive also resent my mail of september 3d, please find it in your mailbox.

Thanks,
Marius

Hi Marius,

I havn't received any email from you, perhaps try emailing me with out the video attachment and I'll reply using my iCloud for you to send the video to.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Oct 2014, 04:34 am
I've used crise@bryston.com . Should I use that? Or maybe the new support forum supports videos?

My apologies for spelling your name like an idiot  :duh:

Ive reposted to the correct one this time.
Sorry..

Marius

Hi Chris,

I can't get a screenshot to show the issue, since it keeps scrolling back automatically.

AC won't allow posts of screenmovies though.

The issue is that scrolling down to the bottom of a long folder list, the menu/command area scrolls out of the top of the main window, and since MM wants to keep that in place, pushes it down again, but also pushes the bottom folders down. In my case 4 folders.

Hope this is clear enough, if not let me know please. Ive also resent my mail of september 3d, please find it in your mailbox.

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Oct 2014, 03:41 pm
Hi Chris,

Been experimenting a bit on this.

Google Chrome Canary doesnt have this problem, though it allows for scrolling the command -bar out of sight. Don't think this is designed behaviour, nonetheless, it is much better than the scrolling issue on Safari (of which i posted the videos)

Chrome, showing the bottom folders, without command-bar(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107150)
Safari, showing command-bar, without bottom folders (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107151)


Cheers Marius


I've used crise@bryston.com . Should I use that? Or maybe the new support forum supports videos?

My apologies for spelling your name like an idiot  :duh:

Ive reposted to the correct one this time.
Sorry..

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Oct 2014, 12:33 am
Hi Chris,

Been experimenting a bit on this.

Google Chrome Canary doesnt have this problem, though it allows for scrolling the command -bar out of sight. Don't think this is designed behaviour, nonetheless, it is much better than the scrolling issue on Safari (of which i posted the videos)

Chrome, showing the bottom folders, without command-bar(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107150)
Safari, showing command-bar, without bottom folders (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107151)


Cheers Marius

Hi Marius,

Originally we wanted the header showing, but during beta testing it was confusing people so we used a line of JavaScript to revert it back.  My guess is safari is is boring the line or it's having a different impact then intended.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: So There on 21 Oct 2014, 01:13 am
Chris, I wanted to thank you and your colleagues for Manic Moose. It's very effectively designed and logical to use, stepping up from the Loonie to the Toonie. The new manual is also very well presented and a model for future product instructions. It's a pleasure to be able to control my BDP-2 via the web interface on my Macs and to be able to consult a lucid and helpful manual for the more arcane functions. Oh yeah, and it sounds fabulous, too.  :thumb:

Cheers,

Rich
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Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: djn04 on 22 Oct 2014, 08:50 pm
Would this OS run on an Auraliti PK90? There are some features that I would love to have on the Auraliti.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Oct 2014, 12:54 am
Would this OS run on an Auraliti PK90? There are some features that I would love to have on the Auraliti.

I don't see why it wouldn't, you could try by purchasing a cf card (4GB) and flash the cf card with the firmware as outlined in the manic moose forum.  If it doesn't work you can just pop in the original back in.  I often run the firmware inside of a virtual machine when ever I am working away from the office/home.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Oct 2014, 08:21 am
Hi Chris,

I suppose thats correct indeed, been like that for a while now, and the latest (07-10) update didn't change it.
Safari: Heavy flickering, auto scrolling the bottom folders out of view.
Although Google Chrome Canary is much easier on the eye, that too isn't acting the way it should: it scrolls the command bar out of view when scrolling down to the bottom folders.

I guess i was hoping you'd provide for a solution, you're  not forgetting us Safari users? It is really no option using Safari in this stage of MM development.

Maybe some settings have to be adjusted in the javascript options, or what have you?

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

Originally we wanted the header showing, but during beta testing it was confusing people so we used a line of JavaScript to revert it back.  My guess is safari is is boring the line or it's having a different impact then intended.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: djn04 on 23 Oct 2014, 04:20 pm
I don't see why it wouldn't, you could try by purchasing a cf card (4GB) and flash the cf card with the firmware as outlined in the manic moose forum.  If it doesn't work you can just pop in the original back in.  I often run the firmware inside of a virtual machine when ever I am working away from the office/home.

Cheers
Chris

I might have to play around with this. Is the image bootable in VMWare? I would like to try in on my macbook before I tear apart the Auraliti.
Title: New update last night
Post by: David Cutler on 26 Oct 2014, 09:48 am
S2.06 2014-10-07 appeared last night  :)

Interestingly, additional updates were listed since my then current version - S2.05 2014-07-25

Quote
S2.06 2014-10-07
CD Backup App
Added CD-TEXT support
CD Playback
Added CD-TEXT support
S2.06 2014-10-06
CD Backup App
Adjust cdid used to determine backup tmp location
Adjusted status.php to ignor lines containing no path during db update

S2.06 2014-10-03
CD Backup App
First release to include any work on this app, the app should detect the cd, list tracks and meta data, edit meta data, select cover art from amazon, initiate backup and provide feedback on state of backup
SaveMeta.php
some changes where made to this application in an attempt to make it more reliable, these changes are untested.

S2.06 2014-09-26
Media Player
Fixed bugs found in safeEject.php (used to eject cd from web interface)
CD Backup App
Started CD Backup web interface, found under Applications > CD Backup, refresh when you load the program   

S2.06 2014-09-25
VFP
Updated VFP font library and javascript to display playback symbols correctly
BOT Support
Added entry to list of drive in Media Player to show Audio CD's if one is available along with an eject button..... that should function
Media Player
Fixed several trigers that wern't being sent by mpd_client to web interface
Bryston Panel
Paced brystonpanel.php into a bash loop, in the event of a crash it should restart
S2.06 2014-09-20
Web Interface
Changed websocket address parsing to be compatible with virtual BDP hosted on support.bryston.com:81

S2.06 2014-09-09
Audio Devices
Fixed Issue detecting dac's with dash's in there name

S2.06 2014-08-28
VFP
Fixed buttons not responding
Front Panel
Added support to specify Abcde quality flags and to provide additional flags to cdparanoia (these features can only be configured in the cdbackup.set file, "cdparanoiaOpt" and "abcdeQua" settings)
Fixed stability issues with cd ripping functions
BDP-2's set there temp directory to system memory
S2.06 2014-08-27
Media Player
Fixed additional marquee flickering issues
Bryston Panel
Fixed bugs identifying Audio CD's attached to the BDP
Added CD "Backup" capability
Added menu option under drives "BOT" if a cd is detected, user can play or backup cd from this menu, enter the menu and push play to play cd or pause to backup cd
Added 10 second timer after attaching an audio cd to the BDP, push play to play cd, push pause to backup the cd
Samba
The BDP will share the USER storage space, this is where user definable settings and playlists are stored.

S2.05 2014-08-19
Media Player
Fixed, Saving playlists containing spaces
NAS Setup
Tweaked NAS connections upon startup, recommended to turn off "Update MPD upon Startup" if your using a NAS
S2.05 2014-08-18
Service Mode
BDP goes to bryston support server for client.conf file, data is also sent to uniquely identify the unit if a custom conf file needs to be supplied
HW Detect
Modified hw detect script to alter hosts file, hopefully it will curve unable to resolve bryston-bdp-* error messages.

S2.05 2014-08-15
Samba Shares
Removed ROOT filesystem from network shares
Update Firmware
Fixed settings footer on this view caused by unattended tags
Media Player
Fixed saving playlists, would always save as "radio", bug was introduced in S2.05 2014-07-25 firmware
Marquee scroll, song name would constantly want to refresh
Firmware Update
Added the ability to install most recent beta or stable release through URL, add "#beta" to end of URL to get to beta releases
Added scripted event to better control and munipulate the BDP's aquisition of firmware to avoid issues like the one experience in July 14'

Updated and initial impressions are good

My DAC now doesn't appear in RED


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107526)

Cheers,

David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Oct 2014, 03:16 pm
Hi Chris,

It is not often I check the front display but just now I noticed it shows file name and type . While it would of be much more use showing artist or album for example . There is so little space , let's not waste it.

Or is there a setting I need to change ?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107727)

Thanks!
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: klao on 31 Oct 2014, 06:57 pm
Hey guys.

Sorry I haven't follow this subject for a long while.  I still run the pre-Manic Moose firmware on my BPD-1 (together with BDA-1).  For PCM playback, should I upgrade to Mani Moose or just stay put? 

Can the BDP-1 with such updated firmware plays/outputs DSD files; I might upgrade to BDA-3 in the future.  Or do I have to upgrade to BDP-2 as well?

Thanks so much.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Nov 2014, 12:57 am
Hey guys.

Sorry I haven't follow this subject for a long while.  I still run the pre-Manic Moose firmware on my BPD-1 (together with BDA-1).  For PCM playback, should I upgrade to Mani Moose or just stay put? 

Can the BDP-1 with such updated firmware plays/outputs DSD files; I might upgrade to BDA-3 in the future.  Or do I have to upgrade to BDP-2 as well?

Thanks so much.

If your only concern is the DSD then you might as well wait for the firmware to mature until your ready for DSD, otherwise there are additional features, outlined in the manic moose manual.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Nov 2014, 12:59 am
Hi Chris,

It is not often I check the front display but just now I noticed it shows file name and type . While it would of be much more use showing artist or album for example . There is so little space , let's not waste it.

Or is there a setting I need to change ?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107727)

Thanks!
Marius

It should display the artist and album, the playback menu does contain some settings that may help; it's been awhile since I have used them and I'm not near one of my BDP's to check right now.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 2 Nov 2014, 12:32 pm
Chris,

One of the issues I have is that the album view does not update regularly enough, ie I played a few albums yesterday and today playing a difference album the cover has not updated and is stuck on yesterdays album cover.
Equally there used to be a build album feature, which is the current firmware I cannot locate, not sure if these two issues are connected.

Thank you.

Rich.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 2 Nov 2014, 12:35 pm
Chris,

Sorry, one further observation.

On the front / first page the it quite often tells me that the "BDP has no internet connection" even though it is connected 100% of the time.

Is this a bug / issue ?

Tks,

Rich.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Nov 2014, 04:17 pm
Chris,

Sorry, one further observation.

On the front / first page the it quite often tells me that the "BDP has no internet connection" even though it is connected 100% of the time.

Is this a bug / issue ?

Tks,

Rich.

Hi Rich,

We have had problems with it in the past where it wouldn't check for an internet connection for up to ten minutes after the unit is turned on, this was changed in one of the more recent updates.  Just this week I took a look at a customer unit and the BDP was entering in the wrong name server address into its config file, i'm still not sure if this was the BDP or his router, but it started working correctly after upgrading to S2.06 2014-10-07 firmware.

I have been meaning to add the ability to clear the existing cover art data and allowing the customer to force a rebuild of the artist page, I do agree its annoying not to have these features.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: renato on 11 Nov 2014, 10:21 pm
Hi Chris,
I have the same problem too, but, after a while the connection works fine.
I'm facing a strange problem: I installed the MM 2.06 and from then on I see only a part of the stored folders: in other words, the folders list in the MM music player (located on the left hand side of the MM player web page) contains just a partial list (until the "N" initial letter); all the rest is hidden.
If I browse the folders with the front display commands, everything works fine, I see them all.
Is there any folders number limit? If so how can I increase it?

Best regards

R
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Nov 2014, 02:12 am
Hi Chris,
I have the same problem too, but, after a while the connection works fine.
I'm facing a strange problem: I installed the MM 2.06 and from then on I see only a part of the stored folders: in other words, the folders list in the MM music player (located on the left hand side of the MM player web page) contains just a partial list (until the "N" initial letter); all the rest is hidden.
If I browse the folders with the front display commands, everything works fine, I see them all.
Is there any folders number limit? If so how can I increase it?

Best regards

R

A described in the manual, N means he BDP hasn't started all the needed software packages to play music and yes the max playlist length is set to 300 and changeable.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: renato on 12 Nov 2014, 09:20 am
 :duh: :duh:
Chris,
I was wrong, the problem I described above was related to the right window of the MM Player screen (the folder list) instead of the left one (playlist) ... sorry, so I can see only a part of the folder list. Is there any further parameter to adjust? That problem happend only after the MM 2.06 installation.

Cheers

R
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Nov 2014, 01:52 am
:duh: :duh:
Chris,
I was wrong, the problem I described above was related to the right window of the MM Player screen (the folder list) instead of the left one (playlist) ... sorry, so I can see only a part of the folder list. Is there any further parameter to adjust? That problem happend only after the MM 2.06 installation.

Cheers

R

Place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 13 Nov 2014, 08:10 am
Bah! Had display issues on my BDP2. Spent an hour testing stuff to help trouble shoot it. After trying a reboot, THEN the BDP2 tells me the firmware can be updated. So, trying that. Please ignore the previous post I had here.

- Garrett


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: wienerschnitzel on 13 Nov 2014, 01:22 pm
Hi there, I´m using a BDP1 running S1.75.
I now like to switch to MM.
Can you please tell me where to get the most recent version 2.06 to avoid the described upgrade problems when starting with 2.04

Cheers, Günter
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: alexone on 13 Nov 2014, 06:06 pm
hi, Günter!

it's absolutely up to you but are you sure you want to switch to MM?? some BDP-1 owners really had some problems with it...

al.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Nov 2014, 01:53 am
Hi there, I´m using a BDP1 running S1.75.
I now like to switch to MM.
Can you please tell me where to get the most recent version 2.06 to avoid the described upgrade problems when starting with 2.04

Cheers, Günter

First post in this topic.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: generichs on 30 Nov 2014, 03:08 am
I upgraded my bdp1 to mm 2.06 and it had been working fine.  Then I started getting glitches like album covers not displaying. I never have been able to attach my NAS drive.

Anyway, the bdp1 has stopped working.  I get a message that "mpd is not responding".  Can't even play flashdrives. 

Is there a way of uninstalling mm and reverting to previous software?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Nov 2014, 10:11 pm
I upgraded my bdp1 to mm 2.06 and it had been working fine.  Then I started getting glitches like album covers not displaying. I never have been able to attach my NAS drive.

Anyway, the bdp1 has stopped working.  I get a message that "mpd is not responding".  Can't even play flashdrives. 

Is there a way of uninstalling mm and reverting to previous software?

Hi

Sorry you are having issues - please contact Gary Dayton at Bryston and he will help.

gdayton@bryston.com

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: generichs on 30 Nov 2014, 11:11 pm
Thanks.  I have managed to get things to work again.  Reset the software to factory defaults.  My loaner DAC is not working and that may have caused the problems.

I will contact Gary about connecting the NAS drive once I have my usual DAC back from upgrading.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 1 Dec 2014, 09:48 am
Manic Moose really is a wonderful improvement from the previous firmware. I'm sure once you get it running, you'll be quite happy with it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: renato on 22 Dec 2014, 12:09 pm
Hi Chris, James and all the Brystonians! Merry Christmas and great new Year!

I had to reinstall the software stored on the CF Card of my BDP1. The CF card is 4GB memory. Now here's my question: will it be any performance improvement (especially in the Update phase) when I store in my USB disk thousand files if I replace the CF card with a same brand or same kind (i.e. Kingstone) 16GB?
I know I should store my files in smaller units, but I have a just a 2TB disk which is filled by a fraction.

Thanks a lot in advance

Renato
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Dec 2014, 01:01 am
Hi Chris, James and all the Brystonians! Merry Christmas and great new Year!

I had to reinstall the software stored on the CF Card of my BDP1. The CF card is 4GB memory. Now here's my question: will it be any performance improvement (especially in the Update phase) when I store in my USB disk thousand files if I replace the CF card with a same brand or same kind (i.e. Kingstone) 16GB?
I know I should store my files in smaller units, but I have a just a 2TB disk which is filled by a fraction.

Thanks a lot in advance

Renato

No
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 8 Jan 2015, 02:47 pm
Any chance  we will see the BDP-1 logging in to remote streaming services in 2015? (Deezer, Qobuz, Spotify,...)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Jan 2015, 01:55 am
Any chance  we will see the BDP-1 logging in to remote streaming services in 2015? (Deezer, Qobuz, Spotify,...)

We have spoken with tidal and they are supporting us to integrate there servce into the BDP's; otherwise there are the squeezebox clients.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gaustabl on 16 Jan 2015, 04:38 pm
Hello. How do i use the sqeezebox clients ?
Best regards Lars
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jan 2015, 05:36 am
Hello. How do i use the sqeezebox clients ?
Best regards Lars

There's some info in the manual

http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

page 23 has a quick blurb on the various services available on the bdp.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gaustabl on 17 Jan 2015, 06:54 am
Hello again. Thank you, found it, i had not tried to schroll in the services window, so they were hidden from me. Trying to figure out how to get it to work now.
Best regards Lars
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gaustabl on 18 Jan 2015, 04:13 pm
i am sorry for asking all these questions, but after starting the squeezelight service, hov do i configure it to work with mysqueezebox.com, or is it not supposed to connect to this. Or how do i use this service ?

best regards Las.
Ps. tied the advanced button, but nothing happened.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Jan 2015, 12:54 am
i am sorry for asking all these questions, but after starting the squeezelight service, hov do i configure it to work with mysqueezebox.com, or is it not supposed to connect to this. Or how do i use this service ?

best regards Las.
Ps. tied the advanced button, but nothing happened.

Squeezelight will look for for your squeezebox server, if it's unable to find one within a minute or two it will shutdown.  Once it finds your squeezebox server it will register with the same account and should be selectable as a playback device in the squeezebox client.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 19 Jan 2015, 07:32 pm
Hello Chris,

I wanted to offer a suggestion that would improve the time it takes to switch versions of mpd.   It seems like you could provide a /opt/mpd/"version"/ directory structure where you would compile each supported MPD version to for a given release.   This way either a script that starts mpd or better yet the service file would only need to be updated when changing versions.     I don't believe MPD itself has any dependencies yet, but if there was ever a conflict with other packages, for example mpc or even the mpd.conf file, this would also provide an easy way to address that.

The only reason I bring this up is that it seems that the selected MPD version is now installed at every boot.    I also noticed the installing message doesn't update once it's installed, or perhaps it updates on a timer vs using a dependency.

Thanks,

Jim

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Jan 2015, 02:19 am
Hi Jim,

I'm not entirely sure what your getting at, but that could just be it's late and I'm on a tread mill.  Each of the included versions of MPD is already compiled.  They are just uncompressed from there achives, the OS is run from a live filesystem so any changes are lost between reboots.  Yes MPD does rely on outside libraries for decoding music like the ffmpeg library or ALSA for playback.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 20 Jan 2015, 06:49 am
I meant to say that MPD isn't a dependency for other packages.  I.e.  Mpc.    Mpc doesn't rely on mpd to compile. 

I haven't poked around to see how the images are set up, but why do the archives?    You can easily compile them to a unique install points by setting the prefix at configuration time and even point them to a unique MPD.conf if that is considered desirable in the future.    Setting --prefix=/opt/mpd/18.6/ on the ./configuration would allow you install an few versions avoiding the archive approach.   This would greatly speed up boot and all you would need to do is tweak the search path for the script/service file to point to the desired version.     I believe the pid, logs, lock files would point to /var or /run, so a version change could be a sed command with a restart of the mpd service.    Perhaps you would need to clean up the /var/lib/mpd (or wherever that points too).     (I run arch, so my paths my be different the Debian).

Jim

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Jan 2015, 06:25 pm
The MPD builds are already compiled, they are pre-compiled, archived and then compiled into the life file system.  Upon boot, the Manic Moose unarchives the selected version of mpd, running

tar xvf /mpd<version>.tar.bz2
cd mpd-<version>
make install
cd ..
rm /mpd-<version>

the bash script can be found using

ls /bin/mpd*.sh

To not archive the different version of MPD would increase the size of the live filesystem.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 21 Jan 2015, 06:47 am
Hi Chris,

If i understand the mpd<version>.sh, what i'm suggesting actually would use significantly less storage as you wouldn't have two archived files with all the unneccessary object files floating around and then another installed copy.    I extracted one of the archives and ran the make install with -p and as you said everything was compiled (and linked) and the just appeared to be a series of install commands, so the archives seem to be rather bloated at this phase.   With the two archives being 20M and 32M, if you had two installed versions of MPD, it would only be about 2M (less than 1M each).     

I do think it would be highly beneficial in terms boot times and now storage by just tweaking the ./configuration --prefix= to point to /opt/mpd/<version>/ or your preferred install location.   

/opt/mpd/0.17.6/bin/mpd
/opt/mpd/0.18.21/bin/mpd
Which you can either link mpd to /usr/bin or pass the version to the service file to start mpd in a clever fashion.

Of course just creating a custom package for apt-get to install in place of the archive file would save on storage, but you would still have to install the version by upgrading/downgrading the packages.  If you used XZ over bzip on the apt-get packages, this would actually consume less storage by just having two compressed packages with one being installed.   This would even hold true on your current approach by just tarballing the files that get installed.

This is only a suggestion, but I think by just adding frontscreen.sh "Installation is done Jim" to the end of the mpd<version>.sh script would be enough as I wouldn't be waiting for the installation to complete. lol

Jim
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 22 Jan 2015, 02:09 am
The end result is a larger firmware file, which is bigger then smaller, I know this because I have already tried this, this is what I have settled on, this is what I have already written the startup programs and scripts to do, this provides the source for those that want it and uses the smallest amount of storage on the cf cards that contain the firmware.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: guildenstern on 4 Mar 2015, 09:59 pm
For my BDP-2, I'm using current (as of today) version of Manic Moose on Windows 7 laptop running Firefox (V 36.0) and on Android tablet running Chrome. In both, I can't get the Search function to work. If I type in the name of an album or artist, then hit "enter/return" on the keyboard, the search box empties but no results appear. Sometimes as I type in the Search box, strange things happen, which I have since figured out are related to Bryston's keyboard commands -- for example, if I type the letter "d," then the "Now Playing" header bar turns red, waiting for me to delete a track.

I'd like to be able to use Search. Help, please?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Mar 2015, 02:07 am
There's no need to push enter or return, as soon as the search string exceeds 3 characters it begins searching.  Depending on how large your database is it may take some time before results are returned.  I can't say I have extensively tested Firefox, you could try another browser like chrome on your windows 7 computer.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: guildenstern on 7 Mar 2015, 08:49 pm
Help, please, with tracks from ripped CDs appearing out of order.

I have a NAS Music folder, which makes up the library for my iTunes (accessible via Sonos). I added the same NAS Music folder to my Bryston BDP-2. It's a big folder and took a while to load, but all went well. However, curious things happened today as I ripped a batch of CDs into this folder. I'm using dBpoweramp to rip the CDs.

When I ripped the discs to AIFF, the albums and tracks populated into iTunes/Sonos just fine, with all tracks in an album appearing in order. But after updating the folder via the BDP-2 dashboard, when I access the same album via Manic Moose media player, the tracks are out of order. The beginnings of the track names vary in their numbering: for example, some of the track names begin with numbers like "01, 02, 03," while others begin "5/10, 7/10," etc.

As an experiment, I tried ripping the same CDs into Apple Lossles format instead of AIFF -- and then, in both iTunes/Sonos and Manic Moose, within each album, the tracks appear in order.

I don't want to turn this into a discussion of the relative merits of AIFF or whether one can hear the difference between AIFF and ALAC. I'd just like to have the option to use AIFF, but not if album tracks won't line up in order. Do you know if this is this a Manic Moose problem or a dBpoweramp metadata problem? I checked the metadata before ripping and everything seemed to make sense. The CDs I've ripped today are not too obscure -- some ECM jazz discs by Manu Katche and Paul Motian.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: renato on 17 Mar 2015, 02:27 pm
James, Chris and all the Brystonians,
Yesterday I downloaded the MM 2.10 and with my great pleasure, the Upgrade function dropped from 150 minutes to a couple. I didn't believe at my eyes. Bryston has made a very good job. Congratulations!
As an old Computer technician, I thought you worked on the SD usage optimization or you update the update process in order to insert just the deltas without rebuild the indexes from scratch. What else?

Anyway, bravo!  :D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: guildenstern on 23 Mar 2015, 07:41 pm
A few questions/issues based on my experience of using Manic Moose (latest version) with my BDP-2 (current firmware). Have tried Manic Moose on Chrome and Firefox on PC, and on Safari on iPad. Music collection consists of roughly 1900 albums on NAS, and a couple dozen on a USB flash drive. Any help appreciated.

(1) In Dashboard NAS Setup, when I click "Speed Test" nothing happens. How do I get Speed Test to work?

(2) When I play an album, the album art takes a while to display in the center pane of Media Player view. Almost always no art shows during first song, but eventually it appears. Or I can sometimes make the album art appear by skipping ahead to a later track -- for example, I can jump to Track 5, and the art will appear, and then the art remains in view when I go back to Track 1. But why doesn't the art show up with Track 1 in the first place?

(3) Artist View shows almost no album art. Maybe a dozen artists have album art, otherwise no art. (All album art shows fine in iTunes and Sonos.) I have tried to load by both Artist and AlbumArtist -- makes no difference.

(4) Artist View does not include all artists. For example, guitarist David Russell is missing from Artist View. If I go to Default view and navigate to NAS Music folder, then he is listed there. Why isn't he in Artist View as well? (And the same goes for many many more artists not showing up in Artist View.)

(5) On opening screen of Media Player, in Default view (see screen shot below), to the right of "Add Files" there is a  dropdown box that allows for quick jump to entries by alphabet. For me, this dropdown box is not functional for all folders. If I navigate to the NAS and click Music folder, then once everything loads, I can use the dropdown box to jump immediately to entries by alphabet. But in any other folder, the dropdown box does not function. For example, if I open the Artist folder or Album folder, once the folder populates, I can only scroll through it. I can open the dropdown box and click a letter of the alphabet, but nothing happens.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=117440)

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Mar 2015, 01:35 am
A few questions/issues based on my experience of using Manic Moose (latest version) with my BDP-2 (current firmware). Have tried Manic Moose on Chrome and Firefox on PC, and on Safari on iPad. Music collection consists of roughly 1900 albums on NAS, and a couple dozen on a USB flash drive. Any help appreciated.

(1) In Dashboard NAS Setup, when I click "Speed Test" nothing happens. How do I get Speed Test to work?

(2) When I play an album, the album art takes a while to display in the center pane of Media Player view. Almost always no art shows during first song, but eventually it appears. Or I can sometimes make the album art appear by skipping ahead to a later track -- for example, I can jump to Track 5, and the art will appear, and then the art remains in view when I go back to Track 1. But why doesn't the art show up with Track 1 in the first place?

(3) Artist View shows almost no album art. Maybe a dozen artists have album art, otherwise no art. (All album art shows fine in iTunes and Sonos.) I have tried to load by both Artist and AlbumArtist -- makes no difference.

(4) Artist View does not include all artists. For example, guitarist David Russell is missing from Artist View. If I go to Default view and navigate to NAS Music folder, then he is listed there. Why isn't he in Artist View as well? (And the same goes for many many more artists not showing up in Artist View.)

(5) On opening screen of Media Player, in Default view (see screen shot below), to the right of "Add Files" there is a  dropdown box that allows for quick jump to entries by alphabet. For me, this dropdown box is not functional for all folders. If I navigate to the NAS and click Music folder, then once everything loads, I can use the dropdown box to jump immediately to entries by alphabet. But in any other folder, the dropdown box does not function. For example, if I open the Artist folder or Album folder, once the folder populates, I can only scroll through it. I can open the dropdown box and click a letter of the alphabet, but nothing happens.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=117440)

I can't stress enough how much I wish people would post the actual version used rather then latest (run into countless times users have said it's the latest, just to find out it isn't).

1. I believe the speed test function for NAS and perhaps even drives have yet to be implemented since the release of manic moose, I guess the answer is it's out your hands for the time being.

2. This is atributed to a number of issues and we have been slowly fixing the various issues as we find them, also I should note that I noticed a flaw with how we refresh browser cache so as we have fixed a number of these issues in S2.10 2015-03-02 it could be you just need the clear your browser history.

3.  Art work will only show in the artist view if actual picture file (jpg or png) containing the cover art is placed in the same folder as the music.  This may also explain 2. As well, as it might be taking awhile because the BDP is going out to amazon to get cover art. 

4. Two thing to check here, sounds like you have already done one of them that's try artist vs albumartist tag.  The one thing to keep in mind when changing this option is you must force a rebuild of the database before you will see the end result.  In S2.10 2015-03-02 we added a rebuild button found on the page where you make this change.  The second thing to check for is that these files have tag data associated to them.  The easiest way to check this is to play the songs and use the info button to see what tag data MPD knows of.

5. Currently that is a limitation of that drop down menu, we havn't coded in the "jump pints" yet.

Cheers
Chris

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Mar 2015, 01:39 am
James, Chris and all the Brystonians,
Yesterday I downloaded the MM 2.10 and with my great pleasure, the Upgrade function dropped from 150 minutes to a couple. I didn't believe at my eyes. Bryston has made a very good job. Congratulations!
As an old Computer technician, I thought you worked on the SD usage optimization or you update the update process in order to insert just the deltas without rebuild the indexes from scratch. What else?

Anyway, bravo!  :D

Glad your enjoying the update,

There have been dozens of Tweens, additions and changes, to many to list off all of them.  The main one being

Better support for the BDP-1USB
Compatibility with USB dACs
DSD 128 compatibility
New versions of MPD with sources as usually(for the three guys geeky enough to want them, including myself)
Bunch more stuff, a completeist can be found in the readme file that eventually appears on the firmware update page

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Mar 2015, 01:40 am
Help, please, with tracks from ripped CDs appearing out of order.

I have a NAS Music folder, which makes up the library for my iTunes (accessible via Sonos). I added the same NAS Music folder to my Bryston BDP-2. It's a big folder and took a while to load, but all went well. However, curious things happened today as I ripped a batch of CDs into this folder. I'm using dBpoweramp to rip the CDs.

When I ripped the discs to AIFF, the albums and tracks populated into iTunes/Sonos just fine, with all tracks in an album appearing in order. But after updating the folder via the BDP-2 dashboard, when I access the same album via Manic Moose media player, the tracks are out of order. The beginnings of the track names vary in their numbering: for example, some of the track names begin with numbers like "01, 02, 03," while others begin "5/10, 7/10," etc.

As an experiment, I tried ripping the same CDs into Apple Lossles format instead of AIFF -- and then, in both iTunes/Sonos and Manic Moose, within each album, the tracks appear in order.

I don't want to turn this into a discussion of the relative merits of AIFF or whether one can hear the difference between AIFF and ALAC. I'd just like to have the option to use AIFF, but not if album tracks won't line up in order. Do you know if this is this a Manic Moose problem or a dBpoweramp metadata problem? I checked the metadata before ripping and everything seemed to make sense. The CDs I've ripped today are not too obscure -- some ECM jazz discs by Manu Katche and Paul Motian.

Thanks in advance for your help.

We are aware of this, I just don't have a solution that doesn't involve converting the aiff to a other format
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: setamp on 29 Mar 2015, 07:12 pm
I have installed S2.10 and when I go to the Media Player I get "MPD doesn't appear to be responding".  On the front panel of my BDP-1 it says it is "Installing MPD 0.17.6".  This has been going on for 2+ hours. There is an "A" where I would normally see a square,delta,II or U"   Any thoughts as to what I should do?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ebogda01 on 30 Mar 2015, 02:11 pm
I have installed S2.10 and when I go to the Media Player I get "MPD doesn't appear to be responding".  On the front panel of my BDP-1 it says it is "Installing MPD 0.17.6".  This has been going on for 2+ hours. There is an "A" where I would normally see a square,delta,II or U"   Any thoughts as to what I should do?
So, I'm not alone. Never got a answer to this question though...apart from an initial question how much time it takes...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Mar 2015, 04:20 pm
I have installed S2.10 and when I go to the Media Player I get "MPD doesn't appear to be responding".  On the front panel of my BDP-1 it says it is "Installing MPD 0.17.6".  This has been going on for 2+ hours. There is an "A" where I would normally see a square,delta,II or U"   Any thoughts as to what I should do?

Is it a BDP-1 or BDP-1USB?  have you tried simply rebooting the BDP?  Finally, i really can't tell you whats wrong unless its placed in service mode and you email us the service ID.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 31 Mar 2015, 10:58 am
If I upgrade my BDP-2 to MM, will it affect compatibility with the MPaD app (iPad Mini)?
 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: setamp on 31 Mar 2015, 01:34 pm
Is it a BDP-1 or BDP-1USB?  have you tried simply rebooting the BDP?  Finally, i really can't tell you whats wrong unless its placed in service mode and you email us the service ID.

Cheers,
Chris

It is a BDP-1.  I have rebooted several times.  I am unable to place it into service mode.  I will rma the unit to Vermont.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 31 Mar 2015, 04:24 pm
what I would do, before sending unit back: remove the flash card and re-write the image as per first post
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: setamp on 31 Mar 2015, 06:30 pm
what I would do, before sending unit back: remove the flash card and re-write the image as per first post

Mine was not playing before I tried to flash it.  The firmware upgrade was a long shot.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Mar 2015, 07:03 pm
Mine was not playing before I tried to flash it.  The firmware upgrade was a long shot.

Hi

Give Gary an email - gdayton@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 25 Apr 2015, 05:22 pm
Hello,
I cannot get my BSP-2 to accept the most recent version of Manic Moose firmware. I am on version S2.04 2014-06-19.

This is what I get over and over again trying to apply version S2.11 2015-04-13:

Downloading firmware filesystem
0 100% @7457
Downloading boot drivers
0 100% @6307
Downloading vmlinuz image
0 100% @7345
Running Filesystem Check: 00b044e071998f413f20a8c80f268d19 /lib/live/mount/medium/live/filesystem.new
: Filsystem Check Failed: md5 values different
Should Be:
Calculated: 00b044e0
You should try redownloading this version of the firmware and try again
-

Any thoughts on what I might be doing wrong?
Ned
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Apr 2015, 01:48 pm
Hi Ned,

That version requires a manual updating, its mentioned in the release notes, but as we have since released quite a few versions its kind of berried at this point.  You'll need to place the bdp into service mode and email us the service id along with a reminder that the firmware needs updating.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 23 May 2015, 03:56 pm
BDP-2  S2.12 2015-05-15    iPad 2 & Chrome on XP
MPD 0.17.6

Chris:
 I can no longer delete a playlist by grabbing the music note and pulling to the center of the screen.  This is the case for both the iPad and Chrome.  Is there another way of deleting playlists now?

  Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: andyrogers on 29 May 2015, 08:42 am
Using Manic Moose, I finally got around to setting up a NAS on my BDP-1 with the idea of putting all of my music files there, but so far I haven't been able to get MPoD to treat the NAS files as though they were part of the library. I can play files by browsing, but they do not show up in the Artist, Album, Song, or Genre lists. Is there something I need to do to get MPoD to recognize these files (beyond refreshing the cache and updating the database), or does MPoD simply not recognize NAS files?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 May 2015, 12:35 am
Using Manic Moose, I finally got around to setting up a NAS on my BDP-1 with the idea of putting all of my music files there, but so far I haven't been able to get MPoD to treat the NAS files as though they were part of the library. I can play files by browsing, but they do not show up in the Artist, Album, Song, or Genre lists. Is there something I need to do to get MPoD to recognize these files (beyond refreshing the cache and updating the database), or does MPoD simply not recognize NAS files?

Well you could try uninstalling and reinstalling mpod
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: andyrogers on 1 Jun 2015, 09:15 am
The NAS files just showed up the next day; I have no idea why, but this issue may be related to a phenomenon I noticed right after I upgraded to Magic Moose, after using the BDP-1 for about a year. At the beginning of the day, when I turned on my system, when I first started MPoD, no music showed up there at all. If I rebooted my phone, the music would appear in MPod. Whether it was due to the reboot, or simply the passage of time required to reboot the phone, I have no idea, but the problem definitely started with the upgrade to Magic Moose,
    S2.12 2015-05-15
    Build: Manic Moose
    MPD: 0.17.6 NEWS
    Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

I assume that it takes a little time for changes like additions to the library to filter out to MPoD (after refreshing the cache and updating the database), and it isn't clear from the documentation whether any restarts are required for the player or MPod, but if there are, it'd be good to know.

I also had the player go intermittent on me once or twice relatively soon after the upgrade, but a reboot fixed the problem, which I haven't seen since.

Cheers,

Andy
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Jun 2015, 08:04 am
HI Chris,

Any reason he BDP lists dEUS below ZZ Top?
 
If it is case sensitive, how to list it correctly between C and E without changing into Deus...


Thanks,
Marius


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122508)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 9 Jun 2015, 05:26 pm
I believe it has to do with the ASCII table. Each character is assigned a value. Capital letters come first in the order. So, a capital A is 65. Lower case a is 97. Thus, when the computer sorts the titles, it look at the VALUE of the first character. Since all the values for the capital letters are smaller, A-Z will always come first.

Here's a link to the ACSII table: http://www.asciitable.com/

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Jun 2015, 05:49 pm
HI Grit,

Thank you, you're right I guess. sounds very logical, for a computer.... But not very musical or user friendly.
Mpod found a way:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122521)


Maybe Chris could adapt something here?
Hope so, Cheers,

Marius

I believe it has to do with the ASCII table. Each character is assigned a value. Capital letters come first in the order. So, a capital A is 65. Lower case a is 97. Thus, when the computer sorts the titles, it look at the VALUE of the first character. Since all the values for the capital letters are smaller, A-Z will always come first.

Here's a link to the ACSII table: http://www.asciitable.com/
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Jun 2015, 12:39 am
It's simple, use a sort that isn't case sensitive, but I'm not about to change for every single user without providing an option to either enable or disable it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 10 Jun 2015, 03:54 am
I'd like to see it as an option one day.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Jun 2015, 08:40 am
Please do, not just 'for every single user', but because it's a clear improvement of small oversight. It might not be a glitch to encounter each day, but as always: the devil is in the detail.

An enable/disable option would do of course, although it might not even be needed? When would you not want the album sorting to be case-insensitive, other than in case of misspelling...

Cheers,

Marius

It's simple, use a sort that isn't case sensitive, but I'm not about to change for every single user without providing an option to either enable or disable it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 12 Jun 2015, 01:28 am
S2.14 2015-06-08   iPad 2 IOS 8.3   XP Chrome & Windows 7 IE or Chrome

Chris:
 Just updated to above version.  Still unable to delete playlists using any of the above platforms.  :?

   Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Jun 2015, 01:39 am
Please do, not just 'for every single user', but because it's a clear improvement of small oversight. It might not be a glitch to encounter each day, but as always: the devil is in the detail.

An enable/disable option would do of course, although it might not even be needed? When would you not want the album sorting to be case-insensitive, other than in case of misspelling...

Cheers,

Marius

in the four years i have been developing the firmware for the bdp its never been that clear cut
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Jun 2015, 01:40 am
S2.14 2015-06-08   iPad 2 IOS 8.3   XP Chrome & Windows 7 IE or Chrome

Chris:
 Just updated to above version.  Still unable to delete playlists using any of the above platforms.  :?

   Thanks, Rich

if you place it in service mode and email me the service id i can check if anything is busted
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Jun 2015, 01:50 pm
Hi Chris,

To be honest, it only occurred after adding this dEUS recording. As I said, only a minor glitch. Would be great if you could incorporate in the next Beta-release.

I recall a related discussion on the MPOD/PAD forum where Berrie introduced auto-capitalization, after which he made it optional.

Cheers, and thanks again,
Marius

in the four years i have been developing the firmware for the bdp its never been that clear cut
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: audiohead on 12 Jun 2015, 07:54 pm
Hi Chris,

I tried to update my BDP-2 v2.12 to 2.14 but go the following error:

Downloading firmware filesystem
undefined% @undefined
Downloading boot drivers
100% @69
Downloading vmlinuz image

Micro Kernel Check Failed: md5 value missing

Could you help advise?

Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Spyman on 13 Jun 2015, 12:30 am
Chris or James,

Is there someplace we can download the manual for Manic Moose? I printed out the original manual, but it's out of date now. I seem to remember a post one time that gave the link, but I can't find it now. I have the BPD-1 with the update as of 6-8.
Thanks,
Terry
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Jun 2015, 02:19 am
Hi Terry,

You can always find the latest versions of our manuals on our technical downloads page

http://bryston.com/pages/technical.html

The manic moose manual can be found here, but i'm not sure when it was last updated

http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Jun 2015, 02:25 am
Hi Chris,

I tried to update my BDP-2 v2.12 to 2.14 but go the following error:

Downloading firmware filesystem
undefined% @undefined
Downloading boot drivers
100% @69
Downloading vmlinuz image

Micro Kernel Check Failed: md5 value missing

Could you help advise?

Thanks

I don't suppose i'll so lucky that you tried it once and gave up?

Well, judging by the log you posted, the BDP didn't download the checksum value for the Micro Kernel.  I know its there as i just updated both my BDP's at home with today's beta (testing) release, which would have downloaded that file.  Assuming you rebooted and tried a second time with the same results you should place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: audiohead on 13 Jun 2015, 04:43 am
I don't suppose i'll so lucky that you tried it once and gave up?

Well, judging by the log you posted, the BDP didn't download the checksum value for the Micro Kernel.  I know its there as i just updated both my BDP's at home with today's beta (testing) release, which would have downloaded that file.  Assuming you rebooted and tried a second time with the same results you should place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id.

Cheers,
Chris

You're right I rebooted and the update went smoothly, Tidal interface is way faster nice work! Thanks!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Spyman on 13 Jun 2015, 02:15 pm
Hi Terry,

You can always find the latest versions of our manuals on our technical downloads page

http://bryston.com/pages/technical.html

The manic moose manual can be found here, but i'm not sure when it was last updated

http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

Cheers,
Chris

Thanks, Chris!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 16 Jun 2015, 10:31 pm
 Just want to thank Chris for fixing the "Playlist Delete" issue.  Bryston, by far, has the best service I have ever encountered.  :thumb: 

  Thanks again, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Jun 2015, 07:03 am
HI Chris,

As of version S2.15 2015-06-13 MM shows a DB crash. Anything to worry about? Or any recommended action to take?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122924)

Also, updating seems a bit fickle. When clicking the red files' +-sign, the + and  'update' /clear/consume doesn't light up blue in the browser on the Mac. The + does light up blue on the MM iphone interface. Only command that does update the DB is a full update.

My network attached drive doesn't update at all, not through the files interface in MM, nor through the update command in the NAS-menu or the full update command.

Do you have a hint as to what to check?
thanks,
Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Docere on 19 Jun 2015, 08:53 am
Hi all,

Not sure if this is the right place to post, but here goes...

I am almost ready purchase a new BDP-2 - my finger is poised to confirm the EFT... It is clear that the BDP-2 is some fine hardware and that Bryston's customer service is exemplary. However, my experience with software releases (unrelated to Bryston!) and the various issues raised in forums and ezines have me a touch nervous regarding the user interface/ "control point". For the $ involved I'd really like my player to be an enjoyable user experience and robust. Oh, I'd also like it to be robust! Does Manic Moose achieve this - I have seen a few issues raised - and if it does not suit, does MPad make for a solid, user-friendly control point?

If this is not the right place to post, please direct me!

Cheers!

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 19 Jun 2015, 12:16 pm
Hi all,

Not sure if this is the right place to post, but here goes...

I am almost ready purchase a new BDP-2 - my finger is poised to confirm the EFT... It is clear that the BDP-2 is some fine hardware and that Bryston's customer service is exemplary. However, my experience with software releases (unrelated to Bryston!) and the various issues raised in forums and ezines have me a touch nervous regarding the user interface/ "control point". For the $ involved I'd really like my player to be an enjoyable user experience and robust. Oh, I'd also like it to be robust! Does Manic Moose achieve this - I have seen a few issues raised - and if it does not suit, does MPad make for a solid, user-friendly control point?

If this is not the right place to post, please direct me!

Cheers!


Docere, I work for Bryston, so take my feedback for what it's worth. We try not to write bugs into our software, but sometimes we just can't help ourselves. I think the same goes for just about every other company out there as well. I use the Manic Moose web interface almost exclusively on my android phone, iPad, and desktop computer. It's way more mature than it was a year ago. The issues that are left are largely some incomplete tertiary features and a few minor annoyances that you may or may not even notice. One of the nice parts of the BDP over other systems that require proprietary control software is that if you don't like our interface, there are plenty of third party ones to choose from. The core functionality of the BDP is rock solid.

If you're new to file based playback, you're going to have a learning curve with any system. If you're not new to file based playback, but coming from another brand universe, I think you'll probably adapt pretty quickly to ours. When you do find bugs, report them here. There's a pretty high chance it'll get fixed in a near-term firmware update. We're averaging about 3 a month if you count the beta channel releases. I suspect that makes the Bryston the most well maintained system of any major brand.

If you're buying a used player, don't pay more for it than you think you can get on the used market if you hate it (not likely). If you're buying a new player from an authorized dealer. make sure your dealer knows how to use it and can coach you. Of course, Bryston and we on the forums are available to help too.

Nobody here is willing to tolerate crap useability even if it means having the best sounding player out there. I think you'll like the BDP. I absolutely love mine.

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Jun 2015, 03:24 pm
HI Chris,

As of version S2.15 2015-06-13 MM shows a DB crash. Anything to worry about? Or any recommended action to take?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122924)

Also, updating seems a bit fickle. When clicking the red files' +-sign, the + and  'update' /clear/consume doesn't light up blue in the browser on the Mac. The + does light up blue on the MM iphone interface. Only command that does update the DB is a full update.

My network attached drive doesn't update at all, not through the files interface in MM, nor through the update command in the NAS-menu or the full update command.

Do you have a hint as to what to check?
thanks,
Cheers,
Marius

Try the newer beta, or stable release later today
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Docere on 19 Jun 2015, 09:47 pm
Docere, I work for Bryston, so take my feedback for what it's worth. We try not to write bugs into our software, but sometimes we just can't help ourselves. I think the same goes for just about every other company out there as well. I use the Manic Moose web interface almost exclusively on my android phone, iPad, and desktop computer. It's way more mature than it was a year ago. The issues that are left are largely some incomplete tertiary features and a few minor annoyances that you may or may not even notice. One of the nice parts of the BDP over other systems that require proprietary control software is that if you don't like our interface, there are plenty of third party ones to choose from. The core functionality of the BDP is rock solid.

If you're new to file based playback, you're going to have a learning curve with any system. If you're not new to file based playback, but coming from another brand universe, I think you'll probably adapt pretty quickly to ours. When you do find bugs, report them here. There's a pretty high chance it'll get fixed in a near-term firmware update. We're averaging about 3 a month if you count the beta channel releases. I suspect that makes the Bryston the most well maintained system of any major brand.

If you're buying a used player, don't pay more for it than you think you can get on the used market if you hate it (not likely). If you're buying a new player from an authorized dealer. make sure your dealer knows how to use it and can coach you. Of course, Bryston and we on the forums are available to help too.

Nobody here is willing to tolerate crap useability even if it means having the best sounding player out there. I think you'll like the BDP. I absolutely love mine.

Thanks for taking the time to respond Gary - much appreciated. Perhaps I simply needed and slight push...

As someone who works closely with application developers in an enterprise data environment, I hear what you are saying regarding development defects. What you say about the core functionality being solid and that the web interface is now mature but still undergoing continued development gives me more confidence... not that it was really in doubt, but it is helpful to see it stated sometimes.

I will be purchasing the player new with the IAD board. The distributor and dealer seem to know the product well and should be able to help out if needed.

Your comments regarding crap useability reflect my own thoughts - the user experience makes or breaks these types of products. It sounds like Bryston has this well in hand.

Thanks again Gary.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Jun 2015, 08:19 am
Hi Chris, thanks,
i'm using S2.16 2015-06-17. Updating the #beta shows this as the latest beta?

Marius

Try the newer beta, or stable release later today
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 20 Jun 2015, 08:41 pm
Hi

New firmware indicates some incompatibilities with BDP1. This means we (owners of BDP1) should not proceed with this update?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2015, 08:44 pm
Hi

New firmware indicates some incompatibilities with BDP1. This means we (owners of BDP1) should not proceed with this update?

HI

BDP-1 is fine to update - just do not use MPD 19, MPD 17 and 18 are fine. 

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 21 Jun 2015, 06:18 pm
I am on the most recent build of Manic Moose 2015-06-19 and I am finding my BDP-2 to suddenly stop playing. The front panel controls are non responsive when this occurs. Rebooting either takes for ever and I am encountering the following on the front panel: Error 9 R03.0 2012-11-27 187. In this state I cannot connect to the BDP-2. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 21 Jun 2015, 07:08 pm
The problem I reported above keeps repeating. When I finally get the unit booted, I can listen for a while and then the BDP-2 suddenly stops (mid-song or when switching to a new track). The front panel becomes non responsive and I have access to it via my LAN. Something must be corrupted in the firmware? If the unit is left on playing nothing it will also randomly freeze necessitating a reboot (or two or three).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jun 2015, 07:59 pm
The problem I reported above keeps repeating. When I finally get the unit booted, I can listen for a while and then the BDP-2 suddenly stops (mid-song or when switching to a new track). The front panel becomes non responsive and I have access to it via my LAN. Something must be corrupted in the firmware? If the unit is left on playing nothing it will also randomly freeze necessitating a reboot (or two or three).

Hi Ned

I will alert Chris for you - you may have to put it in service mode.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Jun 2015, 04:13 pm
Hi Chris
Only now did I discover one can touch (click on) the cover of album being played ( on the MM iPhone interface). Not sure what's supposed to happen, but it seems to reload the cover.

Made me think and ask whether it would be possible to have both the cover and back of an album displayed, touch and toggle .

As someone who tries to keep his library complete with album art I'd certainly welcome the possibility.

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Jun 2015, 01:04 am
Hi Chris
Only now did I discover one can touch (click on) the cover of album being played ( on the MM iPhone interface). Not sure what's supposed to happen, but it seems to reload the cover.

Made me think and ask whether it would be possible to have both the cover and back of an album displayed, touch and toggle .

As someone who tries to keep his library complete with album art I'd certainly welcome the possibility.

Thanks,
Marius

Do you have a preferred file name to use?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 24 Jun 2015, 06:17 am
Do you have a preferred file name to use?

Hi Chris,

I always use cover.jpg and back.jpg.

Cheers
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 24 Jun 2015, 12:15 pm
Hi Chris
Only now did I discover one can touch (click on) the cover of album being played ( on the MM iPhone interface). Not sure what's supposed to happen, but it seems to reload the cover.

Made me think and ask whether it would be possible to have both the cover and back of an album displayed, touch and toggle .

As someone who tries to keep his library complete with album art I'd certainly welcome the possibility.

Thanks,
Marius

That would be a cool option.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 24 Jun 2015, 02:23 pm
S2.16 2015-06-19    Chrome on XP
Chris:
 Playlists delete OK with the exception of playlists that have a numerical name i.e. "88-24".  They drag to the center and turn red, but remain in the list after that function.  :scratch:

  Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 25 Jun 2015, 08:14 am
HI Chris,

Thanks for the latest beta update, back.jpg is showing on MM iphone! great. (though i cant get it to show on MM desktop :scratch:)

On the other hand, on MM iphone, the playlist won't show, while on desktop it is acting as expected. Is there a setting to change, or have i encountered a bug.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123423)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123425)

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 25 Jun 2015, 01:24 pm
Hi Chris,

Been wanting to ask this for sometime, but forgot: when a playlist is cleared, the album art of the last track remains visible, no matter what i do. Clear the cache, reload the page, the image stays.
It must be the BDP because even when i fire-up another browser, without any browsing history, the image shows.

Also, with no track loaded or being played, twice a triple -1 is in view. Nothing to start a war over, but still, looks a bit silly really.

Hope you can/will iron out these little flaws.

Cheers,
Marius


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123434)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Jun 2015, 05:36 pm
HI Chris,

Thanks for the latest beta update, back.jpg is showing on MM iphone! great. (though i cant get it to show on MM desktop :scratch:)

On the other hand, on MM iphone, the playlist won't show, while on desktop it is acting as expected. Is there a setting to change, or have i encountered a bug.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123423)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123425)

Cheers Marius

it was working fine on the desktop layout, allthough i didn't really throughly test it either.  It also looks like the websockets connection isn't loading properly either (all the "-1" everywhere)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 26 Jun 2015, 03:24 am
Wow... just updated to:

S2.17 2015-06-24
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.18.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Really nice work, Chris!

With my BDP-1 and 13,000+ tracks, the UI responsiveness is fantastic. Still work to do, as you mention in the BETA notes, but I am extremely pleased and thank you for the continued effort.

Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 27 Jun 2015, 12:00 pm
My experience with S2.17 2015-06-24 is much worse. Album database update simply hanged on "Sorting music into Bryston DB". So I stayed with blank artist view. I'm on BDP-2 with 2400 songs.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jun 2015, 12:05 pm
My experience with S2.17 2015-06-24 is much worse. Album database update simply hanged on "Sorting music into Bryston DB". So I stayed with blank artist view. I'm on BDP-2 with 2400 songs.

Yes 24 is a beta.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 27 Jun 2015, 04:33 pm
Also, I threw in a "back.jpg" image for a couple of albums; that's really cool that you can click on the album art and toggle between the front and back CD insert. I am tempted to hunt down back album art for everything; with 1,200+ albums, that might take a while  8)

Great feature idea!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 27 Jun 2015, 05:25 pm
So in order to get the back cover art to show, we have to have it saved as back.jpg and it can't be called anything else?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Jun 2015, 05:39 pm
it was working fine on the desktop layout, allthough i didn't really throughly test it either.  It also looks like the websockets connection isn't loading properly either (all the "-1" everywhere)

Not sure how come, but the back.jpg is showing fine now on desktop MM,  thanks Chris, much appreciated.

Would you care to explain why mpd 19 is supposed to be BDP1 incompatible? edit: Working fine here.... sorry spoke too soon, hadn't rebooted and the mpd version hadn't changed yet i suppose . Sorry for that. Why is it incompatible?

Of course my mpd db is still crashed, but it was already so before I changed to 19. What to do about that Chris? I can't say I notice any 'crashed' behavior .

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 27 Jun 2015, 06:12 pm
Also, I threw in a "back.jpg" image for a couple of albums; that's really cool that you can click on the album art and toggle between the front and back CD insert. I am tempted to hunt down back album art for everything; with 1,200+ albums, that might take a while  8)

Great feature idea!

If you find a good source for the back CD inserts please let us know. Taking apart my CD cases to get at the inserts would be a pain. It's to bad the inserts weren't the same as the back page of the CD booklets/sleeves :(
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 27 Jun 2015, 07:40 pm
If you find a good source for the back CD inserts please let us know. Taking apart my CD cases to get at the inserts would be a pain. It's to bad the inserts weren't the same as the back page of the CD booklets/sleeves :(

Oh, just use Google. Seriously. I looked up a bunch of albums and found all of them, immediately.

Try Googling: <artist> <album> back cover (e.g. natalie merchant tigerlily back cover)

...and click in Images and you will get a collection to choose from. I haven't found an album that doesn't hit (even tried some obscure stuff).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 27 Jun 2015, 10:14 pm
Cool, thanks  :thumb:, I didn't realize it would be that simple.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 27 Jun 2015, 10:19 pm
I've been listening to a lot of music today. Impressions are very positive. Very clean and solid sound all around, bass is super tight.

Something I have been noticing, I have been loading complete albums and when the songs from one album transition to the next (if I have multiple albums in the queue or I clear the queue and add the next album) there seems to be a 1 song delay before the album art updates. So either no album shows for the 1st song or the previous album cover remains for the 1st song. Anyone else experience this? I'm using the Bryston app in Safari on an iPad.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 27 Jun 2015, 11:05 pm
I've been listening to a lot of music today. Impressions are very positive. Very clean and solid sound all around, bass is super tight.

Something I have been noticing, I have been loading complete albums and when the songs from one album transition to the next (if I have multiple albums in the queue or I clear the queue and add the next album) there seems to be a 1 song delay before the album art updates. So either no album shows for the 1st song or the previous album cover remains for the 1st song. Anyone else experience this? I'm using the Bryston app in Safari on an iPad.

Yes. I've seen this issue for some time (across a number of releases).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 28 Jun 2015, 08:31 am
Ditto. A reboot fixes it, but it will eventually show up again.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 28 Jun 2015, 08:44 am
Ditto. A reboot fixes it, but it will eventually show up again.

Ditto2.
Been like that for a long time. Not sure if it started with the beta's or even before. Several posts on AC have written on that.

Do you also have the cover of the last track displayed after clearing the tracklist? Being one track behind might be the reason for that phenomenon on my BDP1...


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123607)
playlist ended, album art still there, check the -1's.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 28 Jun 2015, 08:55 am
If you find a good source for the back CD inserts please let us know. Taking apart my CD cases to get at the inserts would be a pain. It's to bad the inserts weren't the same as the back page of the CD booklets/sleeves :(

Hey Rod,

I found that *I* can't just scan covers and get a quality image. There's some digital manipulation to it. So, I found a few websites that were helpful to me.

"Album Art Exchange" usually has GREAT quality FRONT cover art (albumartexchange.com)
"All CD Covers" has fewer images but frequently includes images of the cd, inside cover, and back cover (allcdcovers.com).

I haven't found EVERY cover I've wanted, but they are great starting spots.

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 28 Jun 2015, 09:02 am
Since were talking album extras here: I recall a discussion on being able to have a text- file per album. Cant seem to find the settings anymore, does anyone out here use that?
An info.pdf, or info.txt or tracklist.txt per album making browsing the album so much more informative.
 
Also, could anyone please explain what the Media Player setting ' jump to currently playing song' does? Seems to be as obvious as it can be, but I've never noticed it?

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Jun 2015, 02:16 pm
Thanks guys. At least I'm not the only one so it's not me doing something wrong so that's good.

My scanned album covers have gone quite smoothly resolution wise but I've only done that when I couldn't find good images online.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 28 Jun 2015, 08:46 pm
HI Chris,

Renaming/deleting albums and tracks, forces us to fully update the BDP in MM. Which takes longer and longer, even with the latest beta update, on a larger library. Could you provide for a selective full update?
(adding new files can be done selectively, changed or deleted files -  folder-names can't be handed that way.)

Would be a very very welcomed improvement indeed.

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Jun 2015, 02:25 pm
So in order to get the back cover art to show, we have to have it saved as back.jpg and it can't be called anything else?

not currently, if i can add a feature that doesn't require the user to enter a setting i can implement with relative ease... usually.  Adding a UI element to say specify a name takes additional time.  With the that said the feature appears to gaining momentum so i'll probably add something in the near future.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 29 Jun 2015, 03:54 pm
Thanks

What would be neat is if you could simply use a generic tap to move next feature. That would accommodate numerous images and then you could store the front, back and all liner notes thus tapping simply moves to the next image in the folder.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Jun 2015, 09:08 pm
Hi Chris,

Thanks for fixing the DB crash, all back to normal again:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123729)

you state that the latest iteration: "Fixes a number of issue with the Bryston DB and removes the need of a scratch drive". The scratch drive is still there though, both on the drive, and in the Disk information  settings. Is there a way in MM to delete it, or can we just delete the files through Finder/Filemanager. And if the latter, which files to delete. .bdp_Scratch and swap, or just .bdp_scratch:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123730)

do you still use .albumdb and .albums or are these obsolete also?

Cheers (cleaning up)

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jun 2015, 03:52 am
thats potentially a good idea, assuming the customer doesn't have any other picture files for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jun 2015, 03:53 am
Hi Chris,

Thanks for fixing the DB crash, all back to normal again:

you state that the latest iteration: "Fixes a number of issue with the Bryston DB and removes the need of a scratch drive". The scratch drive is still there though, both on the drive, and in the Disk information  settings. Is there a way in MM to delete it, or can we just delete the files through Finder/Filemanager. And if the latter, which files to delete. .bdp_Scratch and swap, or just .bdp_scratch:

do you still use .albumdb and .albums or are these obsolete also?

Cheers (cleaning up)

Marius

tidal will still use a scratch drive for cache picture files and a swap file will still remain, but otherwise the artist view should be independent of the scratch drive by the next stable release. 

.bdp_scratch designates that the drive is to be the scratch drive, once removed, restart the BDP
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Jun 2015, 04:24 am
HI Chris,

not 100% confident i'm sure of what you're saying, so please let me be precise:

we can delete:
.albumsdb
.albums
.bdp_scratch

.tidal will remain to be used by tidal

- i do have a lot of other pictures/files in my library, ordered in their respective folders, but MM doesn't use them i think? Do one of these files relate to those picture files? You seem to imply that.
- the swapfile you mention to be used by tidal, is that the file named .tidal. If so, can we delete .swap? Or is it .swap, and both .tidal and .swap need to stay.

Sorry for this  :oops:

cheers,
Marius

tidal will still use a scratch drive for cache picture files and a swap file will still remain, but otherwise the artist view should be independent of the scratch drive by the next stable release. 

.bdp_scratch designates that the drive is to be the scratch drive, once removed, restart the BDP
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 30 Jun 2015, 07:04 am
Chris,

Do new firmware updates automatically clean up the drive(s), removing obsolete/unused system files, or do we need to maintain that?

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 30 Jun 2015, 07:09 am
not currently, if i can add a feature that doesn't require the user to enter a setting i can implement with relative ease... usually.  Adding a UI element to say specify a name takes additional time.  With the that said the feature appears to gaining momentum so i'll probably add something in the near future.

Chris,

Since we're talking album art, will the BDP recognize and display other album art (back covers, etc) if they're embedded in the audio file?

Currently for front album art, I have both a "folder.jpg" file in each folder as well as front album art embedded within the FLAC file. Which is the BDP using?

Thanks,

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: renato on 2 Jul 2015, 10:05 am
Hi all,
Is there any Bryston upgrade package from bdp-1 to bdp-2? If so, how much does it cost?

Cheers

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jul 2015, 10:18 am
Hi all,
Is there any Bryston upgrade package from bdp-1 to bdp-2? If so, how much does it cost?

Cheers

Hi Renato

No I am sorry there is no upgrade from the 1 to the 2.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Jul 2015, 12:45 pm
Chris,

Since we're talking album art, will the BDP recognize and display other album art (back covers, etc) if they're embedded in the audio file?

Currently for front album art, I have both a "folder.jpg" file in each folder as well as front album art embedded within the FLAC file. Which is the BDP using?

Thanks,

- Garrett

It only uses

Picture -> data -> 0

Or

Picture -> data if there is only one
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 4 Jul 2015, 07:10 pm
Tried S2.17 2015-06-26 and still get hanging on "Sorting music into Bryston DB". Chris, could you point me which logs I can look into to identify the issue?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Jul 2015, 02:31 am
It's likely already resolved in the most recent builds that have yet to be released
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 5 Jul 2015, 01:41 pm
Tried S2.17 2015-06-26 and still get hanging on "Sorting music into Bryston DB". Chris, could you point me which logs I can look into to identify the issue?

I have found that you need to reboot the BDP-1, after clicking on "Reset DB", for the rebuild to complete successfully (i.e. to NOT hang at the end of "Sorting music..." as you describe. For me, this is repeatable and has been this way for some time now.

On the topic of "Reset DB", I am seeing that my other settings in that same dialog are not sticking between reboots: that is, sort by Album Artist, Show Song Resolution and Skip to Playing Song.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 7 Jul 2015, 01:01 am
I'm having lots of grief in trying to update my BDP-2.

I connect to my BDP-2 (via IE 11), click on Update Available and then Install and I get error “failed to acquire instruction file”.

Then I downloaded the Manic Mouse bin file and pointed to it but when I click Update all I see is “UpdateWEB” but nothing happens.

My current config is:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=124176)


What next?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: drummermitchell on 7 Jul 2015, 01:34 am
Have to say I'm not a techy by any means,
just call Chris Rice....end of story(NO TROUBLES).
Had my BDP-2 for a few yrs and a quick call..DONE you can enjoy the music.
Chris had taken the time to set mine up and she's been FLAWLESS,cept where I can't figure something out or I'm in a hurry.
I'm sure its great to do it or try to set her up ourselves,I'll just call the guys who know...end of grief.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 7 Jul 2015, 05:51 am
I believe to go from the 1.x to the 2.x firmware revision, you have to go through a different process... the auto update will not function. Try searching for BDP firmware... i believe there are directions somewhere on how do to it. Sorry I don't have more, and I'm at work right now and can't take longer than my break to look it up.

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Jul 2015, 06:13 am
check the first post on this thread: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119878.msg1260444#msg1260444
Marius

I believe to go from the 1.x to the 2.x firmware revision, you have to go through a different process... the auto update will not function. Try searching for BDP firmware... i believe there are directions somewhere on how do to it. Sorry I don't have more, and I'm at work right now and can't take longer than my break to look it up.

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Jul 2015, 11:32 am
You should be able to go from S1.60 to manic moose.  Assmuning you've tried updating more then once then the simplist fix would be a replacement cf card.  If your in North America you can get one directly from us.  Otherwise you'll need to go through a Bryston distributor.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 7 Jul 2015, 11:39 am
You should be able to go from S1.60 to manic moose.  Assmuning you've tried updating more then once then the simplist fix would be a replacement cf card.  If your in North America you can get one directly from us.  Otherwise you'll need to go through a Bryston distributor.

Cheers
Chris

Chris, I'm located in Montreal (QC).   What's the process for getting the replacement card?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jul 2015, 12:28 pm
Chris, I'm located in Montreal (QC).   What's the process for getting the replacement card?

Just give Mike Pickett a call at Bryston - 18006328217

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 7 Jul 2015, 01:44 pm
Just give Mike Pickett a call at Bryston - 18006328217

james

Done, thanks!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 10 Jul 2015, 02:00 am
Chris,

Downloaded Build: S2.17 2015-07-06 ... nice work and does address some of the things I've noticed with the Bryston DB updates.

I'll skip the little things I'm seeing, and have mostly already reported here and the Bryston support forum.

One issue I am seeing: album sorting within an Artist grouping in the Artists View.

Artists I've recently visited seem to retain the same, random sorting from before this update. Artists I click on that I haven't recently viewed now seem to sort correctly (i.e. by album title, alphabetically).

Is it possible that something is cached somewhere that is retaining the previous, incorrect sort ordering? I *did* Update the MPD database, clicked on "Rebuild DB", restarted the BDP-1 and then navigated into the Media Player / Artists View (which triggered a rebuild).

Manic Moose keeps getting better with each new BETA build, so keep up the great work!

-- Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 10 Jul 2015, 10:09 am
Does S2.17 allow the MPaD app to display the sampling frequency and # of bits per sample on the coverart of the album that plays?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Jul 2015, 12:46 pm
Does S2.17 allow the MPaD app to display the sampling frequency and # of bits per sample on the coverart of the album that plays?

That's not a problem wih the firmware, the developer of mPad removed the feature long ago, nothing we can do about it and by the sounds of it be doesn't want to put it back in.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: The Sandman on 10 Jul 2015, 02:08 pm
Does S2.17 allow the MPaD app to display the sampling frequency and # of bits per sample on the coverart of the album that plays?
That's not a problem wih the firmware, the developer of mPad removed the feature long ago, nothing we can do about it and by the sounds of it be doesn't want to put it back in.

The bitrate display was missing from mPaD for a while but was restored a long time ago. To make it visible, do a two finger tap (not a single tap twice, two fingers tapping together once) on the cover art display in the lower left corner.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 10 Jul 2015, 02:18 pm
Wow... thanks much for that tip! I read that was there, but I couldn't for the life of me find it in the UI.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 10 Jul 2015, 07:11 pm
Does S2.17 allow the MPaD app to display the sampling frequency and # of bits per sample on the coverart of the album that plays?

I have a BDP-1.

Why is it that when I check for the latest firmware available, I get that it is:
S2.16 2015-06-19

(I just checked.)

Is S2.17 not available for BDP-1?


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: The Sandman on 10 Jul 2015, 07:15 pm
I have a BDP-1.

Why is it that when I check for the latest firmware available, I get that it is:
S2.16 2015-06-19

(I just checked.)

Is S2.17 not available for BDP-1?

S2.17 is probably a beta release.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 10 Jul 2015, 07:43 pm
S2.17 is probably a beta release.

Then how was Ken able to update to S2.17?

BTW, I just received a new BDP-2 which should have the new sound card,
and a quick check indicated that S2.16 is also the latest firmware available for it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: The Sandman on 10 Jul 2015, 08:07 pm
Then how was Ken able to update to S2.17?

BTW, I just received a new BDP-2 which should have the new sound card,
and a quick check indicated that S2.16 is also the latest firmware available for it.

Beta testers have access to download the beta releases. The rest of us don't. It's safer to wait for the stable releases anyway.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Jul 2015, 07:43 pm
Beta testers have access to download the beta releases. The rest of us don't. It's safer to wait for the stable releases anyway.

I think (?) everyone has access to the BETAs, as Chris published the "trick" for getting to the BETA download: add "#beta" to the end of the URL for firmware updates in your browser, after clicking on Update Firmware.

But, you are correct, it's probably safer to wait for the stable releases. I am just an addicted tinkerer, so I've been updating and reporting issues I find in an effort to be helpful.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 11 Jul 2015, 07:57 pm
Just installed S2.17 2015-07-10 and can confirm that Bryston DB update is fixed - it is stable and fast. I noticed only problems with search - it is not functioning in Artist view and very slow in Default view. Also old problem with special characters in artist name still exists in Default view - "AC/DC" still missing from Artist tree node in right column. Hope all this remaining problems will be fixed in nearest builds.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 11 Jul 2015, 08:32 pm
I'm on latest beta too.

I've never used Artist View before.

When I select it, it tells me it's building the view, n% complete etc.  Then "Build finished" but all I then see is a blank pane.

Is there something else I need to do to see anything at all under artists view?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Jul 2015, 08:41 pm
^^ Reset DB, then restart your BDP and then go into Artists View. It will then rebuild, correctly.

- Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 11 Jul 2015, 08:50 pm
^^ Reset DB, then restart your BDP and then go into Artists View. It will then rebuild, correctly.

- Ken

Tried that, I get "sorting music into Bryston DB n%" then blank pane with "Finished Build" but that's all.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Jul 2015, 08:52 pm
Have you tried just going back to the Dashboard and then back into the Artists View?

Beyond that, not sure what's next for you to try...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 11 Jul 2015, 09:06 pm
Have you tried just going back to the Dashboard and then back into the Artists View?

Beyond that, not sure what's next for you to try...

Yes, tried that.  I'm sure there's something basic I'm missing, but can't work out what it is....
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Jul 2015, 09:14 pm
A while back I had an issue where my library wasn't updating. This is what I did:

1. Remove all external storage and/or disconnect NAS shares

2. Restart the BDP

3. Update MPD (let it finish - will be quick, as it's going to zero out the library)

4. Reset DB and restart the BDP

5. Go into Artists View (again, should show an empty library)

6. Re-attached storage and update MPD and the Bryston DB.

I wish Manic Moose had a button somewhere called: Rebuild Everything  ...   :o
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 12 Jul 2015, 06:03 pm
I am having a problem with the display of song titles in MPaD when used with my BDP-2 (and also BDP-1).

This is for DSD64 albums downloaded from NativeDSD, where the file names
are very long and are formed as the number of the song, followed by the album title,
followed by the artist's name, followed by the song title + .dsf at the end.

The metadata has the correct song titles, and the correct number of the song.

However, instead of the title of the song from the metadata, MPaD is displaying the long file name
for most of the albums.
I tried shortening the file names to about 20 characters for some (thinking that they were too long
and somehow that was an issue), but this did not help.

Is there a setting in MPaD somewhere that I need to change?

Again, this problem occurs for the song titles in about 2/3 of the downloads from NativeDSD,
but 1/3 have their song titles displayed correctly



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 14 Jul 2015, 09:33 am
The bitrate display was missing from mPaD for a while but was restored a long time ago. To make it visible, do a two finger tap (not a single tap twice, two fingers tapping together once) on the cover art display in the lower left corner.

A two finger tap works, but the frequency of sampling is displayed incorrectly:

192000 kHz, which is wrong, as it should be either 192 kHz (the better way) or 192000 Hz.


James:

Do you guys have a formatting error in the number that you pass to MPaD?
Did someone forget to divide by 1000?

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 14 Jul 2015, 09:34 am
I am having a problem with the display of song titles in MPaD when used with my BDP-2 (and also BDP-1).

This is for DSD64 albums downloaded from NativeDSD, where the file names
are very long and are formed as the number of the song, followed by the album title,
followed by the artist's name, followed by the song title + .dsf at the end.

The metadata has the correct song titles, and the correct number of the song.

However, instead of the title of the song from the metadata, MPaD is displaying the long file name
for most of the albums.
I tried shortening the file names to about 20 characters for some (thinking that they were too long
and somehow that was an issue), but this did not help.

Is there a setting in MPaD somewhere that I need to change?

Again, this problem occurs for the song titles in about 2/3 of the downloads from NativeDSD,
but 1/3 have their song titles displayed correctly

This appears to be fixed now.
May be S2.16 helped to fix the issue.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 17 Jul 2015, 03:22 pm
Chris,

Downloaded Build: S2.17 2015-07-06 ... nice work and does address some of the things I've noticed with the Bryston DB updates.

I'll skip the little things I'm seeing, and have mostly already reported here and the Bryston support forum.

One issue I am seeing: album sorting within an Artist grouping in the Artists View.

Artists I've recently visited seem to retain the same, random sorting from before this update. Artists I click on that I haven't recently viewed now seem to sort correctly (i.e. by album title, alphabetically).

Is it possible that something is cached somewhere that is retaining the previous, incorrect sort ordering? I *did* Update the MPD database, clicked on "Rebuild DB", restarted the BDP-1 and then navigated into the Media Player / Artists View (which triggered a rebuild).

Manic Moose keeps getting better with each new BETA build, so keep up the great work!

-- Ken

I just want to bump this. I installed: S2.17 2015-07-15 this morning, rebuilt everything (MPD and Bryston DB) and I am still seeing this odd sorting behavior.

Maybe I don't understand the sorting methodology, but many of the Artists seems to have random album sorting in the Artists View.

-- Ken

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 17 Jul 2015, 08:24 pm
I've upgraded my unit to S2.12 and also replaced the old sound card with the new IAD.

All is working great however, I noticed that in MPoD (iPhone 6 Plus), I've lost some of the Album Art (Album Covers).  I took a second look on my USB memory stick and the Folder.jpg files are still there.  I did an Update Database and Refresh Local Cache but it did not fix my issue.

Any idea?

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 17 Jul 2015, 08:29 pm
Yes... Folder.jpg and folder.jpg are not the same. MPD, et al. are case sensitive with the cover art names.

This tripped me up with MPaD for a while.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Jul 2015, 12:08 am
I just want to bump this. I installed: S2.17 2015-07-15 this morning, rebuilt everything (MPD and Bryston DB) and I am still seeing this odd sorting behavior.

Maybe I don't understand the sorting methodology, but many of the Artists seems to have random album sorting in the Artists View.

-- Ken

We are aware, infact it was acknowledged but not shown in the most recent manic moose intro video we posted earlier this week.  Simply, havn't gotten around to fixing it yet, but will before we release S2.18.  The revamping of the Bryston db was a last minute decision.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Jul 2015, 01:39 pm
HI Chris,

Lately my BDP with MM has difficulty updating the DB with newly added songs/albums. Clicking the plus sign in the red entries seems to have no effect. ( i must admit it is a 2tb drive with only 7 or so GB left.)

Ive tried updating the drive in Settings/Disk information, but that doesn't do anything either.

Before i click the general update button again id like to aks you if we can update though ssh, and if yes, how...

if it would be possible to update a whole folder, with deleted files also, that would be very nice to know and use.

More than once i stumble on a typo in the file naming, and up to now, we can only correct that with a full db update, which still seems overkill to me. Having a ssh command for that would be marvelous.


Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 18 Jul 2015, 03:51 pm
Yes... Folder.jpg and folder.jpg are not the same. MPD, et al. are case sensitive with the cover art names.

This tripped me up with MPaD for a while.

All my album art/covers are named Folder.jpg yet most of them are visible except for a handful which don't come up ever since the upgrade.

Before the upgrade (S1.60), all were visible.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 18 Jul 2015, 07:10 pm
We are aware, infact it was acknowledged but not shown in the most recent manic moose intro video we posted earlier this week.  Simply, havn't gotten around to fixing it yet, but will before we release S2.18.  The revamping of the Bryston db was a last minute decision.

Thanks and my apologies... I missed the acknowledgement part.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 18 Jul 2015, 07:14 pm
All my album art/covers are named Folder.jpg yet most of them are visible except for a handful which don't come up ever since the upgrade.

Before the upgrade (S1.60), all were visible.

Oh, I just realized you are on an older version. Do any of your albums missing artwork have special characters in the physical path name? Like '[', ']', '#' or '$'?

Seriously - I uncovered this sometime back and found that renaming the path/folder name to exclude the above characters, art work reappeared. I am not talking about the meta data (album tags), I am referring to the actual folder name containing the tracks and album art.

This may have been fixed in a later BETA version, but I went through my collection and renamed folders to remove special characters.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 19 Jul 2015, 01:45 pm
Oh, I just realized you are on an older version. Do any of your albums missing artwork have special characters in the physical path name? Like '[', ']', '#' or '$'?

Seriously - I uncovered this sometime back and found that renaming the path/folder name to exclude the above characters, art work reappeared. I am not talking about the meta data (album tags), I am referring to the actual folder name containing the tracks and album art.

This may have been fixed in a later BETA version, but I went through my collection and renamed folders to remove special characters.

To clarify, I was on S1.60 and now I'm on S2.12.

With S1.60 all album art was visible but with S2.12 some album art disappeared.

I'll take a look to see if I have any special characters but I highly doubt it.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 23 Jul 2015, 02:00 am
I just want to bump this. I installed: S2.17 2015-07-15 this morning, rebuilt everything (MPD and Bryston DB) and I am still seeing this odd sorting behavior.

Maybe I don't understand the sorting methodology, but many of the Artists seems to have random album sorting in the Artists View.

-- Ken

Has S2.17 been released officially?

I just tried to update the firmware of my BDP-2, and am getting that S2.16 is the latest version.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 23 Jul 2015, 07:50 pm
BDP-2  S2.16 2015-06-19
 
 Will be demoing a DSD DAC, so to be sure what to do I hooked up USB to my present DAC.  This forced me to pay closer attention to the Settings / Audio Devices screen.  I had taken a cursory glance at that screen in the first few days of ownership, but never really paid close attention.
 Looking at Audio Devices section in the MM manual I see one listing of the ESI Juli@ card as well as the Bryston and Ayre DACs.  On my Audio Devices screen there are two listings of Juli@ ( see photo ).  Is this normal?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125132)
 Also a couple questions about the buttons: Enable   Disable
1.  When using USB would it be advisable to "Disable" the Juli@ card?
2.  When activating a new device what order of execution... Enable-Restart-Apply  or  Restart-Enable-Apply
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Jul 2015, 11:57 pm
To clarify, I was on S1.60 and now I'm on S2.12.

With S1.60 all album art was visible but with S2.12 some album art disappeared.

I'll take a look to see if I have any special characters but I highly doubt it.

Is it picture are embedded in the file or a seperate picture file?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Jul 2015, 11:59 pm
Has S2.17 been released officially?

I just tried to update the firmware of my BDP-2, and am getting that S2.16 is the latest version.

You have to tell the BDP you want the beta/testing version.  S2.17 all be released as S2.18 once it's ready.", we are still working our some issues with the new Bryston db software.

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=134
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Jul 2015, 12:06 am
BDP-2  S2.16 2015-06-19
 
 Will be demoing a DSD DAC, so to be sure what to do I hooked up USB to my present DAC.  This forced me to pay closer attention to the Settings / Audio Devices screen.  I had taken a cursory glance at that screen in the first few days of ownership, but never really paid close attention.
 Looking at Audio Devices section in the MM manual I see one listing of the ESI Juli@ card as well as the Bryston and Ayre DACs.  On my Audio Devices screen there are two listings of Juli@ ( see photo ).  Is this normal?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125132)
 Also a couple questions about the buttons: Enable   Disable
1.  When using USB would it be advisable to "Disable" the Juli@ card?
2.  When activating a new device what order of execution... Enable-Restart-Apply  or  Restart-Enable-Apply

The Juli@ card has two output deves, a digital and an analog, so it's listed twice.

The disable/enable buttons are needed for certain third party Dac's.  During the release of the BDP-1USB a customer reported that his USB dac didn't function with the BDP.  It had turned out that the USB DAC was reporting two output devices, but could only use one at a time.

There should be no need to use enable unless you have disabled eye interface in the first place.  You only use apply if your changing a Dac's DSD enabled state.  Restart is used if one of your interfaces is high lighted in red.  A restart command is also issued automatically with the apply function. 

This is all covered in the BDP intro video posted last week.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 24 Jul 2015, 02:44 am

This is all covered in the BDP intro video posted last week.
Chris:
 Thanks for the information.  The latest "Instructional Videos" are from 2013.  Where is the one you are referring to?

  Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 24 Jul 2015, 11:54 am
Is it picture are embedded in the file or a seperate picture file?

All album art (picture) is called Folder.jpg and for each album, the Folder.jpg file is in the same location (folder) as the list of songs.

This is true for all my albums.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Jul 2015, 12:26 pm
Chris:
 Thanks for the information.  The latest "Instructional Videos" are from 2013.  Where is the one you are referring to?

  Thanks, Rich

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=110296.1100
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 28 Jul 2015, 06:13 am
Oh, I just realized you are on an older version. Do any of your albums missing artwork have special characters in the physical path name? Like '[', ']', '#' or '$'?

Seriously - I uncovered this sometime back and found that renaming the path/folder name to exclude the above characters, art work reappeared. I am not talking about the meta data (album tags), I am referring to the actual folder name containing the tracks and album art.

This may have been fixed in a later BETA version, but I went through my collection and renamed folders to remove special characters.

To make use of my exported iTunes playlists with the BDP-1, I switched from my FLAC library to my Apple Lossless library. These files haven't had special characters removed from the enclosing folder name, unlike my FLAC library. So, albums like 'Round Midnight by Miles David show no album art (the single quote). Similarly, Ke$ha is absent album art work (the dollar sign), as well as Beethoven_ Piano Sonatas #28 & 29 by Mitsuko Uchida (the hashtag).

Just bumping this issue with the hope a fix for this makes it into a future release. Sorry to be a pain... I really am trying to be helpful.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2015, 11:41 am
To make use of my exported iTunes playlists with the BDP-1, I switched from my FLAC library to my Apple Lossless library. These files haven't had special characters removed from the enclosing folder name, unlike my FLAC library. So, albums like 'Round Midnight by Miles David show no album art (the single quote). Similarly, Ke$ha is absent album art work (the dollar sign), as well as Beethoven_ Piano Sonatas #28 & 29 by Mitsuko Uchida (the hashtag).

Just bumping this issue with the hope a fix for this makes it into a future release. Sorry to be a pain... I really am trying to be helpful.

Hi Krutsch

All input is welcome - it helps us make our products better.  :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Aug 2015, 05:09 am
Hi Krutsch

All input is welcome - it helps us make our products better.  :thumb:

james

Excellent. Here's some additional input. I am running the latest BETA (S2.17 2015-08-06) and now all of my tracks within an album sort like this:

1, 10, 11, ... 19, 2, 3, ... N

If you have more than 20 tracks in an album, it looks like:

1, 10, ... 19, 2, 20, 21... 29, 3, ... M

The tracks display this way and actually play back in this order. This is a new issue from this build.

No changes to the album art missing from folders named with spacial characters (I assume this is still in-progress).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Aug 2015, 10:53 am
Excellent. Here's some additional input. I am running the latest BETA (S2.17 2015-08-06) and now all of my tracks within an album sort like this:

1, 10, 11, ... 19, 2, 3, ... N

If you have more than 20 tracks in an album, it looks like:

1, 10, ... 19, 2, 20, 21... 29, 3, ... M

The tracks display this way and actually play back in this order. This is a new issue from this build.

No changes to the album art missing from folders named with spacial characters (I assume this is still in-progress).

HI

That is strange

Here are samples of mine at home:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126123)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126124)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126125)


I will let Chris comment but it must be your ripping program?  Which one are you using?

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Aug 2015, 12:35 pm
Hi,

An issue that was there from the very beginning/development of the BDP in fact. On some recordings/rips. check for example this Chandos Thumbdrive of all Elgar vocal scores. I this case The Apostles. To see the real order look at the Finder screenshot.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126127)

Ive run into this on several occasions, most of the time it can be solved by numbering 01, 02, 03 instead of 1, 2 3.

Trying filenames over tag date in options might help on occasion. Not here:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126128)


This seems to be a tagging issue i cant resolve either way. Check what the BDP makes of it...


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126129)

MPOD/Mpad don't behave without issues either....


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126130)


Because i only now realized i hadn't changed the files names like stated above (01,02,03,04 etc) i changed them accordingly today. An even stranger result: the meaningless track titles in the playlist, and all in wrong order  :scratch:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126160)

must be the original tagging i suppose. Anyone here to know how to change that? (obviously the files in this folder belonged to 2 separate cd's joined into one folder by Chandos. Ill try to separate them again, playlist order might faal into place then)

Cheers, Marius



 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Aug 2015, 02:05 pm
HI

That is strange

...

I will let Chris comment but it must be your ripping program?  Which one are you using?

james

It's not my ripping program, which is XLD or iTunes, depending on how old the music is. And, to reiterate, I first noticed this with the latest build.

I looked at the Media Player settings, to verify that I have not selected "Use Files Names Over Tag Data":

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126142)


Then, I navigated to Grateful Dead within the Artists View, and verified that the Bryston DB shows the correct song data (it does):

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126143)


Then, I clicked on the Play Arrow to load the album; it loads and plays back in the correct order, as seen below:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126144)


Finally, I cleared the queue and navigated to the same Album Artists using the Default View and loaded the same album:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126145)


...notice that Truckin' (which is track 10 is now track #2, as in: 1, 10, 2, 3, ... N).

The default view is giving priority to the filename for sorting, as opposed to the track's meta data.

Thanks,

Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Aug 2015, 02:09 pm
One more item of note: see this image:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126146)

See if you folks can adjust the spacing between the track numbering and the track title. The spacing algorithm falls apart as soon as you reach double-digit track numbers (again, see 10/10Truckin;)

Thanks,

Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Aug 2015, 02:17 pm
As long as I am taking the time to be a Bryston test engineer  :thumb:

See the image below:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126147)

...wouldn't it be nice if "The Beatles" entry was indexed under 'B' instead of 'T'?

Just a thought...

Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Aug 2015, 02:25 pm
One more entry. This illustrates the special character issue I've mentioned before. See the Artists View:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126148)

...this is very typical for a classical title, in that the album name contains special characters (in this case, both accented letters and the hashtag as part of the symphony number). Every album I have with special characters in the physical folder name exhibits this problem: no art work. If I rename the folder to remove the hashtag, and rebuild everything, artwork appears.

Here's what this album's folder name looks like on the filesystem on the BDP-1:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126149)

Just posting as a reminder...

Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 12 Aug 2015, 01:00 am
Also, another quick concern:

The BDP-2 gives an error if rebootted with USB thumb drives inserted.
However, the BDP-1 had no problems in such cases.
Can this be fixed, so that the BDP-2 can also reboot without the need for users to
remove the USB thumb drives, and then re-insert them each time?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Aug 2015, 01:30 am
Also, another quick concern:

The BDP-2 gives an error if rebootted with USB thumb drives inserted.
However, the BDP-1 had no problems in such cases.
Can this be fixed, so that the BDP-2 can also reboot without the need for users to
remove the USB thumb drives, and then re-insert them each time?

Hi MV

I do not seem to have that issue - when you say error what do you mean - it will not start?

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 12 Aug 2015, 01:36 am
Hi MV

I do not seem to have that issue - when you say error what do you mean - it will not start?

james

It starts, but then I get an error message after the initialization:

Error 09
182

both of the above in the right side of the display, and the following the lower left corner:

R03.0 2012-11-27


It is impossible to use the unit after that.
I have to turn it off, remove all the USB thumb drives, and restart.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Aug 2015, 01:47 am
It starts, but then I get an error message after the initialization:

Error 09
182

both of the above in the right side of the display, and the following the lower left corner:

R03.0 2012-11-27


It is impossible to use the unit after that.
I have to turn it off, remove all the USB thumb drives, and restart.

Do you have an internal drive installed as well?

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 12 Aug 2015, 02:02 am
Do you have an internal drive installed as well?

james

No, I do not.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: drummermitchell on 12 Aug 2015, 02:07 am
I remember the dreaded 09 code,the main board or whatever went ,it had to go back to Bryston for a new one.
It always happens when you wanna get down with your tunes :(.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Aug 2015, 08:40 am
HI Chris, All,

Adding to the discussion above on track title display and order, please check this:
Choosing file names over track data does change the file title display in the current song, but not in the Playlist, which seems to display the tag data in both settings.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126171)



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126172)

Chris, could you change that please, or is it a setting we can adjust in MM,

Cheers,
Marius

 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 12 Aug 2015, 01:40 pm
I have high hopes for Roon Server which will de-couple UI development from media player development, while elegantly integrating your local library with your TIDAL subscription. Kind of like Spotify Connect, but for your personal collection of music, as well as TIDAL.

If you haven't played around with Roon, you should look at it - it's a real step forward in music library management (no, I don't work for Roon).

I really, really, hope the folks at Bryston are looking into this, because building a digital player appliance is something Bryston is very good at; leave the user interface software to someone that makes it their core competency and primary focus.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: afblaster on 12 Aug 2015, 05:29 pm
Hear, hear, I couldn't agree more!! I've been saying this ever since I had an early BDP-1.

I now have a BDP-2 and have abandoned attempts to come to terms with Bryston's Media Player and mPad; I now use the BDP as a renderer with Squeezelite service enabled,
and stream Flac music files from Daphile (Logitech Media Server) running on a NAS.
This works very well, without any of the frustrations you are experiencing.
But I agree with you that Roon Server appears to be the biz.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 12 Aug 2015, 05:52 pm
Hear, hear, I couldn't agree more!! I've been saying this ever since I had an early BDP-1.

I now have a BDP-2 and have abandoned attempts to come to terms with Bryston's Media Player and mPad; I now use the BDP as a renderer with Squeezelite service enabled, and stream Flac music files from Daphile (Logitech Media Server) running on a NAS.
This works very well, without any of the frustrations you are experiencing.
But I agree with you that Roon Server appears to be the biz.

Serious question: do you think it sounds as good? FWIW, I experimented with the Shairplay and the DLNA client (GMediaRender?) and came to the conclusion that the sound quality wasn't on-par with MPD playback. But, I know my mind plays tricks on me with respect to expectation bias (and, it's not possible to do a blind test, as GMediaRender takes-over the sound card - you can't quickly flip back and forth).

Have you experienced anything like this or have an opinion?

- Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Aug 2015, 07:20 pm
Hear, hear, I couldn't agree more!! I've been saying this ever since I had an early BDP-1.

I now have a BDP-2 and have abandoned attempts to come to terms with Bryston's Media Player and mPad; I now use the BDP as a renderer with Squeezelite service enabled,
and stream Flac music files from Daphile (Logitech Media Server) running on a NAS.
This works very well, without any of the frustrations you are experiencing.
But I agree with you that Roon Server appears to be the biz.

Hi,

Very interesting, is any Logitech hardware required for Daphile? Or
Would it be possible to install on a Nas and communicate with the Bdp directly.
Thanks
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: afblaster on 12 Aug 2015, 09:07 pm
Hi Ken,

Yes I think it is as good, however I've not tried Shairplay or DLNA because pre the BDP-1 I was using Daphile and a Squeezebox Touch to stream my music, and the BDP replaced the Touch.

I have 'isolated' the BDP-2 from the network by using a fibre optic ethernet link to connect it to my network, and use batteries to power the fibre converters.

I've listened to the BDP-2 (fitted with an internal SSD) using Media Player and I could not detect any difference in sound quality when compared with using it as a squeezebox player.

Benefits are that album art is displayed much more reliably, Daphile's web page is clear and easy to use, and the apps for Apple and Android devices are all much better than mPad.
I would not go back to using Media Player or mPad which I think are 'clumsy' in comparison.

Some years ago I made the point both to Bryston and their agents in the UK, PMC - this product requires properly sorted and reliable apps for iOS and Android devices, which all of its competitors provide as an essential part of their products.

Your comment "I really, really, hope the folks at Bryston are looking into this, because building a digital player appliance is something Bryston is very good at; leave the user interface software to someone that makes it their core competency and primary focus" sums up the situation very well.

Regards, Richard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: afblaster on 12 Aug 2015, 10:21 pm
Hi Marius,

Daphile doesn't require Logitech hardware.  It is a dedicated linux program which I run on an HP Proliant Miniserver housing a 2Tb HD for the Daphile software and my music files.
Daphile doesn't need a NAS, a dedicated PC on the network would serve just as well.  Once installed and running Daphile recognizes any device running Squeezelite on the network, and you can then stream your music to that device.  For example I stream to the BDP-2, also to my Touch and my Android 'phone and a Raspberry Pi.  You can operate it from its web page or from apps on your iOS or android devices.  It is an dedicated version of Logitech Media Server (LMS),  - which can be run as a program on Windows, Linux or Apple PCs.
There is a Slim Devices Squeezebox forum and Wiki if you need more information.
If Chris hadn't incorporated Squeezelite as a service, and with it the possibility of using the BDP-2 as a renderer, I would have given up on it.
Fortunately he did and I'm very happy streaming to it.

Regards, Richard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 12 Aug 2015, 10:31 pm
I remember the dreaded 09 code,the main board or whatever went ,it had to go back to Bryston for a new one.
It always happens when you wanna get down with your tunes :(.

James,

So, then I have to send my BDP-2 to you for repair.

(I just bought it in early July, encountered this problem on the first day when I received it,
and actually emailed you about it.)




Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Aug 2015, 10:55 pm
James,

So, then I have to send my BDP-2 to you for repair.

(I just bought it in early July, encountered this problem on the first day when I received it,
and actually emailed you about it.)

Hi

Email Mike Pickett and see if he can help - I am just not sure what causes it and he will be more knowledgable on that.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 12 Aug 2015, 11:16 pm
MV, before you send it in, try disconnecting ALL music drives from the BDP and see if it boots without giving you error 09. Do you ever see the LOCK LED on your DAC before you get the error?

-Gary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 12 Aug 2015, 11:39 pm
MV, before you send it in, try disconnecting ALL music drives from the BDP and see if it boots without giving you error 09. Do you ever see the LOCK LED on your DAC before you get the error?

-Gary

It boots fine when there are no USB thumb drives plugged in. (I do not have a harddrive installed.)

I do not have any LEDs on my integrated amp that the BDP-2 is connected to via AES/EBU and also USB cables.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 13 Aug 2015, 05:07 am

I have 'isolated' the BDP-2 from the network by using a fibre optic ethernet link to connect it to my network, and use batteries to power the fibre converters.


Really... do you find that reduces electrical noise into the BDP-2? There are some folks on the MinimServer forum that are pretty excited about the Melco NAS that does something similar with optically isolated ethernet ports.

Personally, I use an Apple Airport Express in bridge mode to isolate my BDP-1 from physical connections with other devices; works great, but was done for convenience, as my router is a ways away from my BDP-1. Airport bridge into 100Mbps has no trouble keeping up with 192kHz / 24-bit tracks transcoded to WAV/24 and sent via the network.

On the previous topic, I've gone back to experimenting with MinimServer and MinimStreamer, serving the BDP-1 with the DLNA client enabled (GMediaRender). Flawless playback with gapless tracks, et al., but I had to setup MinimStreamer to transcode ALAC and AAC (MP4) files to WAV/24, in-line, using SoX; AAC files were completely hanging during playback and high-res ALAC files had some difficulties playing. I've left MP3 files to playback natively.  I can scrub back and forth, play, pause with not even slightest glitch on gapless tracks.

I am also happy to see that the BDP-1's CPU usage is very low (hovering around 6%) with the transcoded WAV/24 files and the system sounds good.

I wish the track title and artist would show up in the little window, and the front panel buttons don't do anything, but otherwise things work well with the BDP-1 as a DLNA renderer.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Aug 2015, 08:32 am
HI Richard,

Thanks! Ill certainly experiment with this, started reading http://forums.slimdevices.com/.

To take a shortcut, please let me ask you this:

 I have a Synology Nas up for experimenting, do you know of a Daphile package for Synology?

You say you can stream to/operate from your ios device, which app do you use for that?

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

Daphile doesn't require Logitech hardware.  It is a dedicated linux program which I run on an HP Proliant Miniserver housing a 2Tb HD for the Daphile software and my music files.
Daphile doesn't need a NAS, a dedicated PC on the network would serve just as well.  Once installed and running Daphile recognizes any device running Squeezelite on the network, and you can then stream your music to that device.  For example I stream to the BDP-2, also to my Touch and my Android 'phone and a Raspberry Pi.  You can operate it from its web page or from apps on your iOS or android devices.  It is an dedicated version of Logitech Media Server (LMS),  - which can be run as a program on Windows, Linux or Apple PCs.
There is a Slim Devices Squeezebox forum and Wiki if you need more information.
If Chris hadn't incorporated Squeezelite as a service, and with it the possibility of using the BDP-2 as a renderer, I would have given up on it.
Fortunately he did and I'm very happy streaming to it.

Regards, Richard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Aug 2015, 09:29 am
It starts, but then I get an error message after the initialization:

Error 09
182

both of the above in the right side of the display, and the following the lower left corner:

R03.0 2012-11-27


It is impossible to use the unit after that.
I have to turn it off, remove all the USB thumb drives, and restart.

Hi!

Does this occur with all USB flash drives or only some of them?

I had the same problem with the BDP-1 as it would simply not boot-up if a certain flash drive was plugged in.

If it happens with a certain flash drive, you could perhaps send it to Bryston and let them have a look.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: afblaster on 13 Aug 2015, 01:31 pm
HI Richard,

Thanks! Ill certainly experiment with this, started reading http://forums.slimdevices.com/.

To take a shortcut, please let me ask you this:

 I have a Synology Nas up for experimenting, do you know of a Daphile package for Synology?

You say you can stream to/operate from your ios device, which app do you use for that?

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

I don't have a definitive answer to your 1st question.  If your NAS uses a regular Intel x86 processor then it should work.

I suggest you look at the Daphile web site or the Slimservices forum for confirmation.  The author of the software is always willing to advise, in my experience.
There are also lots of other computer/music forums that have Daphile threads.

I don't stream to my iPad, I mainly use iPeng8 (small charge) or Squeezebox (free) apps to tell Daphile which music to stream to the BDP.

Good luck with your experimenting, it can be a bit of a struggle to get it working at first, but I've found it was well worth the effort.

Regards,

Richard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 13 Aug 2015, 03:01 pm
It boots fine when there are no USB thumb drives plugged in. (I do not have a harddrive installed.)

I do not have any LEDs on my integrated amp that the BDP-2 is connected to via AES/EBU and also USB cables.
This means that one of your thumb drives has a boot flag enabled so the BDP tries to boot from it rather than the internal flash memory card. To determine which one, add the thumb drives back one at a time and restart the BDP. You'll get error 09 again once you find the offending thumb drive. Backup the music from the thumb drive that's causing the error. Then remove all thumb drives, restart the BDP, once it boots, install the error09 thumb drive.

Go to the Manic moose interface using your web browser. Go to disk info. Your thumb drive will probably be the 4th and 5th items (beneath user). Click the last entry and click mount. It will turn white (YOU DID BACKUP THE MUSIC FROM THE THUMB DRIVE, RIGHT??). Now click erase. Choose FAT32 and title the partition as you choose. Proceed and the BDP will format the thumb drive and install a small piece of software that prevents the BDP from trying to boot up from the thumb drive. Copy your music back to it and you should be good to go. PM me if you have problems.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 14 Aug 2015, 01:55 am
Serious question: do you think it sounds as good? FWIW, I experimented with the Shairplay and the DLNA client (GMediaRender?) and came to the conclusion that the sound quality wasn't on-par with MPD playback. But, I know my mind plays tricks on me with respect to expectation bias (and, it's not possible to do a blind test, as GMediaRender takes-over the sound card - you can't quickly flip back and forth).

Have you experienced anything like this or have an opinion?

- Ken

Well, I spent some time today really listening to GMediaRender (MinimServer, SoX) vs. MPD (local USB SSD) on the BDP-1 and it's really no contest, with respect to sound quality. There is a clarity to MPD playback that just isn't there with GMediaRender.

Let's hope Manic Moose continues to improve and we can get past these minor glitches.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Aug 2015, 08:04 am

On the previous topic, I've gone back to experimenting with MinimServer and MinimStreamer, serving the BDP-1 with the DLNA client enabled (GMediaRender). Flawless playback with gapless tracks, et al., but I had to setup MinimStreamer to transcode ALAC and AAC (MP4) files to WAV/24, in-line, using SoX;
....

I wish the track title and artist would show up in the little window, and the front panel buttons don't do anything, but otherwise things work well with the BDP-1 as a DLNA renderer.
HI Ken,

Ive managed to get Minimserver up and running, have DLNA enabled on the BDP1, but to get de BDP to play through the audio setup, BDP out, BDA1 in, BP26 etc. (opposed to other clients on their own speakers (mac, iPhone etc)?
Plex should be a universal player but doesn't see the server. SoX i will try next.

[edit] after a bit of tweaking in the port forwarding section of my router, the good old Goodplayer (https://itunes.apple.com/en/app/goodplayer/id416756729?mt=8) found the Minimserver without issues, running very very smoothly  :thumb:
Still looking for a way to play over the main system though

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Aug 2015, 08:09 am
HI Chris,

Could you make the frontpanel arrow-buttons react to press/hold please. Scrolling down/up the folders list requires pushing the buttons for each folder down/up the list. Would be so much easier if we could just push and hold till we reach the needed folder.
Might be better for the lifespan of the buttons too...

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 14 Aug 2015, 02:45 pm
HI Ken,

Ive managed to get Minimserver up and running, have DLNA enabled on the BDP1, but to get de BDP to play through the audio setup, BDP out, BDA1 in, BP26 etc. (opposed to other clients on their own speakers (mac, iPhone etc)?
Plex should be a universal player but doesn't see the server. SoX i will try next.

[edit] after a bit of tweaking in the port forwarding section of my router, the good old Goodplayer (https://itunes.apple.com/en/app/goodplayer/id416756729?mt=8) found the Minimserver without issues, running very very smoothly  :thumb:
Still looking for a way to play over the main system though

Cheers,
Marius

Good to hear. To use SoX with MinimStreamer for transcoding, you will need to build a version of FFMpeg with libsoxr. See this link to get started:

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/FFmpeg%20and%20the%20SoX%20Resampler (https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/FFmpeg%20and%20the%20SoX%20Resampler)

Then, to set MinimStreamer to use it, you need to setup your system tab settings to something like this:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126248)

...there is a wealth of info on the MinimServer forum, if you need more information. You will love MinimServer with the right control point (e.g. Linn Kazoo or BubbleUPnP on Android). I've spent quite a bit of time with Minim - the learning curve is more like a chicane, but the results are worth the effort.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Aug 2015, 03:40 pm
Ok great Ken,
Looking kinda simular to my settings. I'll adjust those streamer values accordingly.

But, how to select this to be output by the bdp? Or does it do so automatically like when using the AirPlay simulator , overriding everything else it is doing.

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 14 Aug 2015, 03:48 pm
Ok great Ken,
Looking kinda simular to my settings. I'll adjust those streamer values accordingly.

But, how to select this to be output by the bdp? Or does it do so automatically like when using the AirPlay simulator , overriding everything else it is doing.

Marius

You have to enable the DLNA Renderer in the Services tab in Manic Moose. Then, you need a "Control Point" app, like Linn Kazoo or BubbleUPnP, which will allow you to select the BDP-1 as the DLNA Renderer (the machine running MinimServer is the DLNA Server).

The BDP-1 will show up as "BDP:12:34:56:78:9A:BC (or whatever the BDP's MAC address is).

If you have an Android phone or tablet, start with BubbleUPnP - it's the easiest way to get started. If you go the Linn Kazoo route, you will need an Open Home server; BubbleUPnPServer works great for this, but this elevates the complexity as the BDP doesn't include ohnet services on the box.

If all of this is new to you, you have a learning curve ahead of you... this is why DLNA has basically failed and why Bryston went though the effort to build a simple web interface directly into the BDP.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Aug 2015, 04:10 pm
Thanks,

No it is not all new to me, have several machines here playing together. Was just that the BDP's workings in this it not always clear to me, glad you could point me to some solutions. Im on Apples machines mostly here, so will search for control points on that platform.
Might already have some... Plex, Goodplayer, VLC, ill check these out, and then if not satisfactory go elsewhere Linn, Bubble if possible.

Cheers!
Marius



You have to enable the DLNA Renderer in the Services tab in Manic Moose. Then, you need a "Control Point" app, like Linn Kazoo or BubbleUPnP, which will allow you to select the BDP-1 as the DLNA Renderer (the machine running MinimServer is the DLNA Server).

The BDP-1 will show up as "BDP:12:34:56:78:9A:BC (or whatever the BDP's MAC address is).

If you have an Android phone or tablet, start with BubbleUPnP - it's the easiest way to get started. If you go the Linn Kazoo route, you will need an Open Home server; BubbleUPnPServer works great for this, but this elevates the complexity as the BDP doesn't include ohnet services on the box.

If all of this is new to you, you have a learning curve ahead of you... this is why DLNA has basically failed and why Bryston went though the effort to build a simple web interface directly into the BDP.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 15 Aug 2015, 03:18 am
Hi

Email Mike Pickett and see if he can help - I am just not sure what causes it and he will be more knowledgable on that.

james

What is his email?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 15 Aug 2015, 03:21 am
This means that one of your thumb drives has a boot flag enabled so the BDP tries to boot from it rather than the internal flash memory card. To determine which one, add the thumb drives back one at a time and restart the BDP. You'll get error 09 again once you find the offending thumb drive. Backup the music from the thumb drive that's causing the error. Then remove all thumb drives, restart the BDP, once it boots, install the error09 thumb drive.

Go to the Manic moose interface using your web browser. Go to disk info. Your thumb drive will probably be the 4th and 5th items (beneath user). Click the last entry and click mount. It will turn white (YOU DID BACKUP THE MUSIC FROM THE THUMB DRIVE, RIGHT??). Now click erase. Choose FAT32 and title the partition as you choose. Proceed and the BDP will format the thumb drive and install a small piece of software that prevents the BDP from trying to boot up from the thumb drive. Copy your music back to it and you should be good to go. PM me if you have problems.

These 3 USB thumb drives worked perfectly fine when plugged into my BDP-1 with the same firmware, S2.16 (the current official firmware release):
I could restart the BDP-1 without removing them, and they were plugged in in the same way (two on the front, and one on the back).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Aug 2015, 04:26 pm
i think gary wants you to turn the bdp on with only one plugged in at a time and test each one to see if its all of them or just one of them preventing the bdp from initializing
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Aug 2015, 05:38 am
It's not my ripping program, which is XLD or iTunes, depending on how old the music is. And, to reiterate, I first noticed this with the latest build.

I looked at the Media Player settings, to verify that I have not selected "Use Files Names Over Tag Data":

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126142)


Then, I navigated to Grateful Dead within the Artists View, and verified that the Bryston DB shows the correct song data (it does):

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126143)


Then, I clicked on the Play Arrow to load the album; it loads and plays back in the correct order, as seen below:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126144)


Finally, I cleared the queue and navigated to the same Album Artists using the Default View and loaded the same album:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126145)


...notice that Truckin' (which is track 10 is now track #2, as in: 1, 10, 2, 3, ... N).

The default view is giving priority to the filename for sorting, as opposed to the track's meta data.

Thanks,

Ken

UPDATE: I discovered this evening that this behavior seems to be with ALAC (Apple Lossless files). I loaded some FLAC files on a thumb drive and noticed that the track ordering from the Default View was correct.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Aug 2015, 03:35 pm
Do the tracks by chance order them selves relative to how long (track length) they are?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Aug 2015, 03:46 pm
Do the tracks by chance order them selves relative to how long (track length) they are?

In short, no. If you look at the example I give above (Grateful Dead's American Beauty), Truckin' is 5:26, followed by songs that are both longer and shorter in duration.

If this helps, here is the output from an 'ls -la' from the actual files on the BDP-1 being used for playback:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126319)

Feel free to ask for additional details and/or things for me to try.

- Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Aug 2015, 03:58 pm
^^ FWIW, I took the same files, transcoded them to FLAC using XLD, loaded them onto my 'New Music' flash drive, Updated the flash drive and loaded them into Media Player using the Default View:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126320)


...as you can see, they now load correctly. Also, I can load the original ALAC files, in the correct order, using MPaD via MPD, without any track ordering issues. There does seems to be something peculiar with ALAC and MM.

Version info: S2.17 2015-08-13
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Aug 2015, 06:14 pm
Hi Chris,

I accidentally pushed the update button, and only then realized there's no cancel button.... Could you add that?
The BDP now is updating to the official firmware while im on betas..

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Aug 2015, 12:25 am
If your running manic moose and it's still downloading the first of the three files, you should be able to push the power button, followed by the down arrow button on the front of the unit.  If the installation makes it past the checksum before it powers off you may brick the unit and have to reflash the cf card.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Aug 2015, 04:42 am
All the more reason for a safe way to cutoff the accidental update-process with a cancel-button. Maybe also add an 'are you sure' button before actual the actual updating, after downloading the updates. You describe a horribly unfriendly process, remnant of the old pc-era it seems.... Let alone the need of actually being near the BDP, instead of operating it over the net.
Users shouldn't be able to brick the BDP through any command in MM.

Luckily the update process didn't follow through then, don't know why, cause i could not stop it.

Cheers,
Marius


If your running manic moose and it's still downloading the first of the three files, you should be able to push the power button, followed by the down arrow button on the front of the unit.  If the installation makes it past the checksum before it powers off you may brick the unit and have to reflash the cf card.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Aug 2015, 04:43 am
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Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 26 Aug 2015, 04:03 pm
Chris

latest beta mentions 2 memory play functions.. Could you tell us a little more - difference between them and difference from existing  CD replay feature for example?

Thanks


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 26 Aug 2015, 05:18 pm
I've upgraded my unit to S2.12 and also replaced the old sound card with the new IAD.

All is working great however, I noticed that in MPoD (iPhone 6 Plus), I've lost some of the Album Art (Album Covers).  I took a second look on my USB memory stick and the Folder.jpg files are still there.  I did an Update Database and Refresh Local Cache but it did not fix my issue.

Any idea?

I took a second look at my setup and nothing has changed.

All my album art is called "Folder.jpg" and all Folder.jpg files are located with the list of songs.  This is true for all albums.

I also took a look at the titles and metadata and I have no special characters.

As, I mentioned before, all album art was visible & present with S1.60 however with S2.12 I've lost a handful of album art via MPoD.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Aug 2015, 12:44 am
Chris

latest beta mentions 2 memory play functions.. Could you tell us a little more - difference between them and difference from existing  CD replay feature for example?

Thanks

The main difference is the new features rip the entire cd into system memory at once instead of doing it as its plays.  With the new system the drive is relatively loud for a few minutes (about 70 seconds for every 10 minutes of audio); but no longer spins afterwards.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 2 Sep 2015, 08:07 pm
I took a second look at my setup and nothing has changed.

All my album art is called "Folder.jpg" and all Folder.jpg files are located with the list of songs.  This is true for all albums.

I also took a look at the titles and metadata and I have no special characters.

As, I mentioned before, all album art was visible & present with S1.60 however with S2.12 I've lost a handful of album art via MPoD.

Any ideas?

So no one else has this issue?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Sep 2015, 11:19 pm
So no one else has this issue?

Post the full path to a song that doesn't show cover art or place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id with some songs in the playlist that have the issue.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 3 Sep 2015, 09:21 am
The main difference is the new features rip the entire cd into system memory at once instead of doing it as its plays.  With the new system the drive is relatively loud for a few minutes (about 70 seconds for every 10 minutes of audio); but no longer spins afterwards.

Thanks Chris,

Tried this using my Plextor drive.  Using "Next" , on front panel it gives me a number of minutes (to rip to memory?) usually 7 or 8; and shows Dst as Sys Mem (presumably so far so good) then shows which track it's ripping in order.  However it always gets to the final track then nothing more (I.e. It's taking some time to rip the whole CD to memory but then not actually playing anything).  Using "Previous" I get the same except it doesn't even get to the point of actually ripping.

Incidentally my drive works fine using original play option and now also works fine ripping to SSD.

How do the 2 new play modes differ from each other?

David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 6 Sep 2015, 01:58 am
Post the full path to a song that doesn't show cover art or place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id with some songs in the playlist that have the issue.

Cheers
Chris

What's the procedure to place the BDP into service mode and to get the service id?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Sep 2015, 11:16 pm
What's the procedure to place the BDP into service mode and to get the service id?

Page 24

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: elothe on 8 Sep 2015, 02:56 pm
Forgive me if this is a very old issue, but before I upgraded my BDP-1 to MM a year ago I was able to save the urls of my favourite (Scandinavian) radio stations to a playlist by using the Gnome application.
But now this doesn't seem to work anymore. Have I missed something perhaps, or is there another method that is recommended nowadays?

Cheers, Erk
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 Sep 2015, 11:57 pm
Forgive me if this is a very old issue, but before I upgraded my BDP-1 to MM a year ago I was able to save the urls of my favourite (Scandinavian) radio stations to a playlist by using the Gnome application.
But now this doesn't seem to work anymore. Have I missed something perhaps, or is there another method that is recommended nowadays?

Cheers, Erk

You can try bRadio.  It could also be that your Internet radio stations have upgraded and are using new codecs or even software.  I believe the bbc did this recently causing confusion with listeners.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 9 Sep 2015, 12:31 am
Page 24

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

Chris, I sent you an email with the information.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: elothe on 10 Sep 2015, 11:53 am
You can try bRadio.  It could also be that your Internet radio stations have upgraded and are using new codecs or even software.  I believe the bbc did this recently causing confusion with listeners.

Thank you unincognito.
No, the urls haven't changed. I'm just unable to recreate my old (Scandinavian,public) radio station playlist.
What I suspect is that - with MM installed - the BDP doesn't accept urls being added to playlists by means of Gnome anymore.

Cheers, Erik
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Sep 2015, 12:38 pm
Thank you unincognito.
No, the urls haven't changed. I'm just unable to recreate my old (Scandinavian,public) radio station playlist.
What I suspect is that - with MM installed - the BDP doesn't accept urls being added to playlists by means of Gnome anymore.

Cheers, Erik

Hi Erik,

I do not think Gnome is being supported and longer - do you know?

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Sep 2015, 01:51 pm
HI Chris,


Before i click these 2 new DB options in Media Player settings, please let us know what they do (i would have thought the DB was enabled, since i am able to view, select and play tracks)


  (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127790)


Cheers, Marius



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Sep 2015, 03:23 pm
HI Chris,


Before i click these 2 new DB options in Media Player settings, please let us know what they do (i would have thought the DB was enabled, since i am able to view, select and play tracks)


  (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127790)


Cheers, Marius

So as mentioned in the build notes (aka README) the Bryston DB (the database that the artist view and future album view are derived from) now automatically builds after MPD is done updating.  Because the new system hasn't been tested to thoroughly, it is by default turned off.  Checking "Bryston DB: Enable" turns the feature on and you can begin building the database by clicking the "Reset DB" button.  From then on forward each time MPD is done updating the Bryston DB will be updated.  "Bryston DB: Merge similar genre" will merge genres that are predefined and currently static.  When it does the comparison it is also suppose to ignore case.  Also I have revised my 120,000 song (BDP-1) limit to 60,000 for the BDP-1 and 8x this for the BDP-2, its a limitation of available system memory.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Sep 2015, 04:24 pm
Thanks Chris
Still can't read the NEWS, as mentioned several times before, the link leads to nowhere....

My db is far over 60000 tracks. Would enabling this brick my bdp again?

Marius

So as mentioned in the build notes (aka README) the Bryston DB (the database that the artist view and future album view are derived from) now automatically builds after MPD is done updating.  Because the new system hasn't been tested to thoroughly, it is by default turned off.  Checking "Bryston DB: Enable" turns the feature on and you can begin building the database by clicking the "Reset DB" button.  From then on forward each time MPD is done updating the Bryston DB will be updated.  "Bryston DB: Merge similar genre" will merge genres that are predefined and currently static.  When it does the comparison it is also suppose to ignore case.  Also I have revised my 120,000 song (BDP-1) limit to 60,000 for the BDP-1 and 8x this for the BDP-2, its a limitation of available system memory.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Sep 2015, 11:06 pm
Thanks Chris
Still can't read the NEWS, as mentioned several times before, the link leads to nowhere....

My db is far over 60000 tracks. Would enabling this brick my bdp again?

Marius

I'm not sure why the NEWS files isn't generated when MPD 18.21 is selected and it's such I minor feature in havn't sunk any real time into it beyond checking the archive.

It shouldn't brick a BDP-1, i downloaded your tag_cache and ran the new art ware against it on one of my BDP-1's.  It should error out once the unit uses up the allotted amount of system memory and the crash reporter should display a message next time you visit the dashboard and free up the system space used
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Sep 2015, 07:16 am
I'm not sure why the NEWS files isn't generated when MPD 18.21 is selected and it's such I minor feature in havn't sunk any real time into it beyond checking the archive.

It shouldn't brick a BDP-1, i downloaded your tag_cache and ran the new art ware against it on one of my BDP-1's.  It should error out once the unit uses up the allotted amount of system memory and the crash reporter should display a message next time you visit the dashboard and free up the system space used

as long as you've not changed the NEWS bug, maybe you could reinstate the webpage with version changes, and let us browse to it on the internet?

'free up the system space used" is his something the system does, or I should do manually. If the latter, please let me know how.

what is the new art ware? havent found any new options for Album Art in MM, maybe i just missed these?

I'll try and see what happens then :Xn
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Sep 2015, 08:50 am
So as mentioned in the build notes (aka README) the Bryston DB (the database that the artist view and future album view are derived from) now automatically builds after MPD is done updating.  Because the new system hasn't been tested to thoroughly, it is by default turned off.  Checking "Bryston DB: Enable" turns the feature on and you can begin building the database by clicking the "Reset DB" button.  From then on forward each time MPD is done updating the Bryston DB will be updated.  "Bryston DB: Merge similar genre" will merge genres that are predefined and currently static.  When it does the comparison it is also suppose to ignore case.  Also I have revised my 120,000 song (BDP-1) limit to 60,000 for the BDP-1 and 8x this for the BDP-2, its a limitation of available system memory.

Cheers,
Chris


Acted as instructed: my MPD sees all music, but won't play anything. The -1's are there again.... I don't see any error message or other activity feedback for that matter. No idea if a DB is being built. Should i be seeing any MM feedback?  Might be a good idea to let the MM show some kind of activity feedback.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127827)


MPD seems to be ready


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127828)


Marius
 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Sep 2015, 11:31 am
The only page that shows feedback is the artist view page
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Sep 2015, 12:02 pm
ok,
this is what is shown https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17975338/feedback%20MM.mov (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17975338/feedback%20MM.mov)


not very informative...
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127829)

been like this since half an hour or so


The only page that shows feedback is the artist view page
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 11 Sep 2015, 01:20 pm
I got this too Marius. Cleared cache and tried again. Worked fine thereafter.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Sep 2015, 02:31 pm
Marius problem is his library of +150,000 songs is far to large for a BDP-1 to handle and its not stating that it has failed
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Sep 2015, 02:32 pm
ok,
this is what is shown https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17975338/feedback%20MM.mov (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17975338/feedback%20MM.mov)


not very informative...
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127829)

been like this since half an hour or so

When you see that a message on the dashboard should appear "Bryston DB Crash Detected" or there abouts.  The artist page just display's how much of the library has been processed.  What you posted looks like the BDP was rebooted after a failed attempt.  To try again you would force the BDP to rebuild the database again by using the "Reset DB" button found under the Media Player Settings page.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Sep 2015, 10:52 am
Marius problem is his library of +150,000 songs is far to large for a BDP-1 to handle and its not stating that it has failed


Hi Chris, my 'problem' is im not sure whats going on because the MM interface doesn't say so.. I realize a larger library was not within the grap of the BDP1, there for i divided it over several USB drives, to be able to test  the separate libraries in MM.


Are you saying here that you'll build a more robust feedback into MM. That would be great, and really necessary indeed. Please incorporate some instructions too, so we don't only know something has gone amiss, but also get some guidance on resolving the issues at hand.




Cheers,
M
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Sep 2015, 11:00 am
I got this after clicking the Artist View button, not after rebooting.


Indeed i now get a Crash detection message, but clicking it does nothing but reload the dashboard, although it seems to be a clickable link (get the hand pointer). Please build in some instruction on these error messages?
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127860)


my Artist View page shows a 39% music sorting, so it either is still sorting and is progress in itself, or is crashed and the screen is frozen. I dont know how to tell.
BDP still at nominal operation..... which is clearly isn't of course ;-0


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127859)
 
Will resetting the DB start all over, a continue from where it left off?
Thanks,
Marius






When you see that a message on the dashboard should appear "Bryston DB Crash Detected" or there abouts.  The artist page just display's how much of the library has been processed.  What you posted looks like the BDP was rebooted after a failed attempt.  To try again you would force the BDP to rebuild the database again by using the "Reset DB" button found under the Media Player Settings page.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Sep 2015, 11:32 am
HI Chris,


in the top section of MM you show Dashboard, Back on the left, and Mediaplayer on the right, in various situations.


Would it be possible to have Dashboard (L) and Mediaplayer (R) always there.


If one is in one of the bottom Settings tabs it now shows Back, but that is not really clear, since it goes back to Dashboard.. So why not show Dashboard.


Also, if one wants to go to media player from there, one first needs to click Back (to Dashboard), and from there, click Mediaplayer.


If these two are always on, it would be clearer and quicker. (of course Dashboard and Mediaplayer pages are the only exceptions, only the button to the other would be needed)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: elothe on 14 Sep 2015, 08:40 am
Hi Erik,

I do not think Gnome is being supported and longer - do you know?

james
Hi James

I looked into it and it seems that Gnome has been replaced by "Music". I'll try it soon, and perhaps "Auremo", too. A brief report will follow. Thank you.

Cheers, Erik
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Sep 2015, 10:39 am
Hi James

I looked into it and it seems that Gnome has been replaced by "Music". I'll try it soon, and perhaps "Auremo", too. A brief report will follow. Thank you.

Cheers, Erik

Yes please let me know as I thought Gnome was a great interface.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: sonik on 14 Sep 2015, 10:53 am
I've been following this thread for many months and cannot understand why such an expensive and otherwise (apparently) outstanding component is plagued by so many software bugs.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Sep 2015, 11:06 am
I've been following this thread for many months and cannot understand why such an expensive and otherwise (apparently) outstanding component is plagued by so many software bugs.

Hi sonik

I think it may appear that way but the reality is that most customers do not use their BDP's at the level some other customers (ex Marius) do and because Chris our software developer is always trying new things and getting feedback on BETA versions of the software it may appear that way on the surface. 

If you are using the software released at the production level there are very few issues - it is the BETA levels where things appear complicated but eventually based on our Beta testers feedback things get fixed and new production software is implemented.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rocket on 14 Sep 2015, 11:58 am
Hi,

I bought my Bryston BDP-1 a few months ago and it works flawlessly.  I keep it simple and it works well for me. I never thought a digital front end was so important to sound quality.

Cheers Rod
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 14 Sep 2015, 05:42 pm
My BDP-2 digital player works flawlessly and plays all my FLAC Music files but for some reason, when I upgraded the firmware from S1.60 to S2.12 (and now S2.16) I lost album art for roughly 22 of my albums and no matter what I try, nothing seems to rectify my issue.  For my albums that lost their album art, nothing else changed, only the firmware was updated.  I've exchanged several emails with Chris but I still have the issue...  :(

Also, after the firmware upgrade (S2.16), the odd time when I add a new album to my USB memory stick, I get the album listed twice.  Both albums list all the songs & can play all the songs but one of the two albums does not display the album art.  This does not happen every time but it does do it every now and then even though I always follow the same process when ripping my CDs to FLAC music files via dBpoweramp on my Windows 7 Pro desktop.   :scratch:

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Sep 2015, 07:21 am
HI James, maybe start using  the Beta software thread again?
can't find it though.

Marius


Hi sonik

I think it may appear that way but the reality is that most customers do not use their BDP's at the level some other customers (ex Marius) do and because Chris our software developer is always trying new things and getting feedback on BETA versions of the software it may appear that way on the surface. 

If you are using the software released at the production level there are very few issues - it is the BETA levels where things appear complicated but eventually based on our Beta testers feedback things get fixed and new production software is implemented.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 15 Sep 2015, 08:52 am
Spent some more time with 09/09 Beta trying to get the new memory play features to work.

Occasionally I  can get "Prev" to work as it should, rips whole CD to memory and automatically start replay after track1. In Media player tracks appear in  left hand pane as ripped and a corresponding folder appear in right hand pane.  Also sounds very good indeed!

Mostly though, using "Prev", while ripping takes place, no replay happens and no files or folders are visible in MM.  Trying "Next" instead, front panel gets to dst: system memory stage, but no ripping takes place.

Selecting "Play" from front panel or CD from MM works fine once but MPD usually hangs once I try playing a second CD. 

I'm using a Plextor USB BD drive.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Sep 2015, 01:34 am
I've been following this thread for many months and cannot understand why such an expensive and otherwise (apparently) outstanding component is plagued by so many software bugs.

It's not like we are as busy as the apple forums  :icon_lol:

In all seriousness though, if consider the thousands of units out there, the frequency of our software updates and new features, that we don't control what users plug into the units and that BDP's are at there very essence computers I think we have done quite well for ourselves.  Also that most issues are with features still in development that go beyond the BDP's original goals.

For the size of our company, it's not like we are Apple, we have two software developers and only one works on the firmware part time; the both of us are frequently assigned hardware projects.  Yet we pump out official firmware updates every few months and testing builds fairly regularly.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Sep 2015, 01:38 am
Spent some more time with 09/09 Beta trying to get the new memory play features to work.

Occasionally I  can get "Prev" to work as it should, rips whole CD to memory and automatically start replay after track1. In Media player tracks appear in  left hand pane as ripped and a corresponding folder appear in right hand pane.  Also sounds very good indeed!

Mostly though, using "Prev", while ripping takes place, no replay happens and no files or folders are visible in MM.  Trying "Next" instead, front panel gets to dst: system memory stage, but no ripping takes place.

Selecting "Play" from front panel or CD from MM works fine once but MPD usually hangs once I try playing a second CD. 

I'm using a Plextor USB BD drive.

I really haven't had a chance to revisit this yet, could you post a handful of screenshots of the library home folder (ie you can see the name of the cd)?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 16 Sep 2015, 01:40 am
It's not like we are as busy as the apple forums  :icon_lol:

In all seriousness though, if consider the thousands of units out there, the frequency of our software updates and new features, that we don't control what users plug into the units and that BDP's are at there very essence computers I think we have done quite well for ourselves.  Also that most issues are with features still in development that go beyond the BDP's original goals.

For the size of our company, it's not like we are Apple, we have two software developers and only one works on the firmware part time; the both of us are frequently assigned hardware projects.  Yet we pump out official firmware updates every few months and testing builds fairly regularly.

Chris I found that comment unfair. I have been following this thread for over a year, even prior to becoming a BDP-2 owner and I can say
that you guys set an amazing standard in responsiveness to your customers wish lists, technical issues, and overall dedication to quality. I'm a big fan.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Sep 2015, 07:52 am
Hi Chris,
Maybe you missed this one (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119878.msg1459495#msg1459495) on the treadmill  :weights: ?

Please do have a look, i think it would be just that bit better if implemented.


secondly: what does BFPC mean in frontpanel settings?
              And where could we change the Bryston Pw? (you offer a reset back to default bryston)

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128138)


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128139) 


Cheerio,
Marius




HI Chris,


in the top section of MM you show Dashboard, Back on the left, and Mediaplayer on the right, in various situations.


Would it be possible to have Dashboard (L) and Mediaplayer (R) always there.


If one is in one of the bottom Settings tabs it now shows Back, but that is not really clear, since it goes back to Dashboard.. So why not show Dashboard.


Also, if one wants to go to media player from there, one first needs to click Back (to Dashboard), and from there, click Mediaplayer.


If these two are always on, it would be clearer and quicker. (of course Dashboard and Mediaplayer pages are the only exceptions, only the button to the other would be needed)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Sep 2015, 08:07 pm
Hey Chris,


Not new to the latest (beta) MM, but maybe to the latest IOS (9.1):
Safari mobile iPhone works fine until you click + Settings. It wont load the settings, or move back from there to any other page. Chrome on IOS iPhone works correctly.
Did you notice this, and is there a workaround in the making?


Cheers,
Marius 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Sep 2015, 11:07 pm

secondly: what does BFPC mean in frontpanel settings?
              And where could we change the Bryston Pw? (you offer a reset back to default bryston)



The reset password function was left in for just Incase scenario, one of the problems we had in loony loon and Canadian beaver would be the settings files would become corrupt; although I was confident that would remain fixed I figured it couldn't hurt to leave it in manicmoose.

Bryston Front Panel Controls, originally figured you guys would ask for more features regarding the controls on the front of the BDP.  So the idea was you could toggle those features using this menu, but nothing ever really came of it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Sep 2015, 11:10 pm
Hey Chris,


Not new to the latest (beta) MM, but maybe to the latest IOS (9.1):
Safari mobile iPhone works fine until you click + Settings. It wont load the settings, or move back from there to any other page. Chrome on IOS iPhone works correctly.
Did you notice this, and is there a workaround in the making?


Cheers,
Marius

I've noticed safari on the iphone, if you change the orientation while you have he manicmoose interface open it may cause safari to lockup.  It's been difficult to troubleshoot as it doesn't always occur and it seems to be limited to iOS (I first noticed it with iOS 8)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Sep 2015, 07:08 pm
The issue i mentioned happens every time. Not with changing orientation, but after clicking Settings. Orientation change works fine on my ios9.1. After clicking settings nothing happens, not even a refresh of the page (i can still scroll up/down, but clicking links does nothing)


Maybe file a bug-report at Apple HQ ;-)


Marius



I've noticed safari on the iphone, if you change the orientation while you have he manicmoose interface open it may cause safari to lockup.  It's been difficult to troubleshoot as it doesn't always occur and it seems to be limited to iOS (I first noticed it with iOS 8)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Sep 2015, 07:09 pm
 :thumb:
won't touch them.


The reset password function was left in for just Incase scenario, one of the problems we had in loony loon and Canadian beaver would be the settings files would become corrupt; although I was confident that would remain fixed I figured it couldn't hurt to leave it in manicmoose.

Bryston Front Panel Controls, originally figured you guys would ask for more features regarding the controls on the front of the BDP.  So the idea was you could toggle those features using this menu, but nothing ever really came of it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 17 Sep 2015, 09:00 pm
I really haven't had a chance to revisit this yet, could you post a handful of screenshots of the library home folder (ie you can see the name of the cd)?

Hi Chris

I may have misunderstood what you mean, but If we are talking about the MM player screen I can't see that this would help you.  It's only when  it does work as intended that you see a folder named for the CD (I presume you mean the right hand MM pane?).

If it doesn't get to the playing stage then you don't see actually see anything other than the usual internal disk and NAS folders.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mrderrick on 21 Sep 2015, 08:13 pm
Hello Group,

My BDP-1 running MM takes what seems forever to load roughly 500 songs ( not albums ).

Settings / Services reads, CPU-11.6%-MEM:97.7%-SWAP:3%

Is this normal?

I'm using an 500gig Oyen SSD .

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Sep 2015, 10:32 pm
Hello Group,

My BDP-1 running MM takes what seems forever to load roughly 500 songs ( not albums ).

Settings / Services reads, CPU-11.6%-MEM:97.7%-SWAP:3%

Is this normal?

I'm using an 500gig Oyen SSD .

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Could you better clarify load 500 songs?  Do you mean just to add 500 songs to the playlist?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mrderrick on 23 Sep 2015, 11:11 pm
If I remove my drive to edit / ad music or reboot / restart my BDP-1 it can take as long as 10 minutes before I can play music. The display will indicate ready and then say cleaning up, then N, the U and finally I can update mpad and start to play some selections. Is the information that I listed in my initial post normal? Is this just normal operation with MM?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Sep 2015, 12:22 am
If I remove my drive to edit / ad music or reboot / restart my BDP-1 it can take as long as 10 minutes before I can play music. The display will indicate ready and then say cleaning up, then N, the U and finally I can update mpad and start to play some selections. Is the information that I listed in my initial post normal? Is this just normal operation with MM?

Correct, the quickest way to add new music and start listening is to copy the music over the network.  There is a video tutorial in the video tutorials section, it's loony loon, but he process is the same.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 30 Sep 2015, 09:03 pm
  BDP-2  S2.18  2015-09-26  Chrome
Chris:
 With the new update, when in Chrome, I am unable to scroll when in the Media Player settings ( gear ).  So after making a selection I cannot scroll down to Save or scroll up to X.  Works OK on the iPad / Safari where the menu selections are in their own scrolling window.

UPDATE:
 Can see all of that page if I do ( CTRL / - ) a few times.  So that's good enough,   but.... Trying to update the DB from iPad / Safari and all I've seen for around 45 minutes is the 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 dots indicating some kind of action though there is no progress indicator to know how far along the process is.  I have 11,550 tracks.
 How long should I allow this DB process to run?
    Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Sep 2015, 10:40 pm
  BDP-2  S2.18  2015-09-26  Chrome
Chris:
 With the new update, when in Chrome, I am unable to scroll when in the Media Player settings ( gear ).  So after making a selection I cannot scroll down to Save or scroll up to X.  Works OK on the iPad / Safari where the menu selections are in their own scrolling window.

UPDATE:
 Can see all of that page if I do ( CTRL / - ) a few times.  So that's good enough,   but.... Trying to update the DB from iPad / Safari and all I've seen for around 45 minutes is the 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 dots indicating some kind of action though there is no progress indicator to know how far along the process is.  I have 11,550 tracks.
 How long should I allow this DB process to run?
    Thanks, Rich

It could just be you need to clear the cache in chrome, otherwise what platform are you using it on (ie Mac, windows, android, etc)?

11,500 tracks on even a BDP-1 should only take maybe 10-15 minutes.  It should also be displaying a progress above the dots.  Checking the dashboard may indicate a crash.  You could try the reset db found next to be save button on the media player settings page, assuming you can scroll down to it  :lol:

Otherwise if you place the BDP into service mode and email me the service if I can log into your unit and take a look.

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 1 Oct 2015, 02:19 am
Chris:
 I'm on Windows XP.  Cleared Chrome Cache and now the Media Player Settings screen displays as expected ( with selections in a small window that scrolls.
 Reset the DB on MM then retried DB load.  Still just dots with no progress bar.  If the track progress bar is used for this purpose it did not budge.
 Don't know exactly how to look for a Crash.  So I'll send service no.
   Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Oct 2015, 09:09 am
HI Chris,


Ive recently reinstalled my Plex server (https://plex.tv) on the Sinology Nas. On it is my backup of my music connected to the BDP on its usb drives.
The utter easy with which that works is stunning, the result is even better. Pure eye candy, and all extra functionality like background info, art, related artists, reviews etc etc. Even extra (user selectable) media channels are shown.


Adding to that, the interface dispenses with things like .flac and all other computer reminiscing feedback. Updating works automatically. All album art shows beautifully and if not provided, is fetched in the internet.


I know Plex doesn't work on the MPD / BDP. But given the fact that my Synology ds1512+ only has 1 gb memory, i thought it comparable to the relative weak processor power of the BDP(1), and still have these tons of features work effortlessly.


Has Bryston ever checked the Plex (https://plex.tv) interface? I thought it appropriate to post here, as an inspiration and maybe guide to solutions with the Album art issues and interfacing of the MM software.

( i do have a so called Plex-pass which cost me 79 $ for lifetime registration, and gives extra functionality )

Artist overview
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128975)


Related media
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128976) 


Individual Album
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128977)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 2 Oct 2015, 12:11 pm
All:
 In response to the DB loading issue posted above, Chris says large album art ( file size ) can slow down the DB loading process.  Once the DB is loaded the first time any future loads ( new music ) will be fast.  Guess I should have had a few more cups of coffee.
  Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Oct 2015, 12:17 pm
All:
 In response to the DB loading issue posted above, Chris says large album art ( file size ) can slow down the DB loading process.  Once the DB is loaded the first time any future loads ( new music ) will be fast.  Guess I should have had a few more cups of coffee.
  Rich

I'm still not sure why it didn't display the percentage complete though  :scratch:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Oct 2015, 03:58 pm
HI Chris,


Ive recently reinstalled my Plex server (https://plex.tv) on the Sinology Nas. On it is my backup of my music connected to the BDP on its usb drives.
The utter easy with which that works is stunning, the result is even better. Pure eye candy, and all extra functionality like background info, art, related artists, reviews etc etc. Even extra (user selectable) media channels are shown.


Adding to that, the interface dispenses with things like .flac and all other computer reminiscing feedback. Updating works automatically. All album art shows beautifully and if not provided, is fetched in the internet.


I know Plex doesn't work on the MPD / BDP. But given the fact that my Synology ds1512+ only has 1 gb memory, i thought it comparable to the relative weak processor power of the BDP(1), and still have these tons of features work effortlessly.


Has Bryston ever checked the Plex (https://plex.tv) interface? I thought it appropriate to post here, as an inspiration and maybe guide to solutions with the Album art issues and interfacing of the MM software.

( i do have a so called Plex-pass which cost me 79 $ for lifetime registration, and gives extra functionality )

Artist overview
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128975)


Related media
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128976) 


Individual Album
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128977)


Cheers,
Marius

The issue isn't processing power and we have talked about implementing similar features in the Media Player, the issue is time and human resources.  I only have so much and i only get to spend so much time developing the firmware.  I think the revised Artist View back end (Bryston DB) shows that we are putting an effort into adding value added features and more will come.

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Oct 2015, 04:53 pm


HI Chris,
Sure, and much appreciated!


I must admit the new artist view Backend hasn't shown itself here, only thing i witness are the little dots (without a progress indication). You mentioned it has to do with the library, which depending on the BDP1 or 2 has a larger capacity of processing.

I merely wanted to show what another machine (NAS in  this case) with rather limited resources itself, is able to do with the same library, or even bigger one, since it hosts videos also, and a full library of mp3 files, together with a
iTunes db server.

Maybe we ought to convince your boss Bryston needs to spice up its developing power and give you more slack, company even.. :thumb:

Anyways,
Thanks, and cheerio,
Marius



The issue isn't processing power and we have talked about implementing similar features in the Media Player, the issue is time and human resources.  I only have so much and i only get to spend so much time developing the firmware.  I think the revised Artist View back end (Bryston DB) shows that we are putting an effort into adding value added features and more will come.

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 2 Oct 2015, 08:35 pm
All:
 In response to the DB loading issue posted above, Chris says large album art ( file size ) can slow down the DB loading process.  Once the DB is loaded the first time any future loads ( new music ) will be fast.  Guess I should have had a few more cups of coffee.
  Rich

So, how many kb is "large"?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Oct 2015, 08:43 pm
So, how many kb is "large"?

a contribution to how long it was taking had to do with the drive being formatted as ntfs (windows file system), again its only done once per album, the changes are saved to seperate pictures files with the music files so it doesn't need to be done again.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 4 Oct 2015, 07:23 pm
Just installed S2.18 2015-09-29. Unfortunately Artist View search feature is still not working for me. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Oct 2015, 07:48 pm
Just installed S2.18 2015-09-29. Unfortunately Artist View search feature is still not working for me. Am I missing something?

Make sure you click on the GEAR and then click as below and also click reset database.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129097)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 4 Oct 2015, 08:00 pm
I did this all, Artist View rendered correctly, but search is not working at all. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Oct 2015, 09:51 pm
I did this all, Artist View rendered correctly, but search is not working at all.

What phrase are you entering to perform the search?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 5 Oct 2015, 12:17 pm
The issue isn't processing power and we have talked about implementing similar features in the Media Player, the issue is time and human resources.  I only have so much and i only get to spend so much time developing the firmware.  I think the revised Artist View back end (Bryston DB) shows that we are putting an effort into adding value added features and more will come.

Cheers

What is the Artists View back end you speak of? What does it do?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 5 Oct 2015, 02:41 pm
HI Chris,


Does the new Bryston db  build several new image files in each folder?
Suddenly I've come across bryston_db_disable.jpg and crossfade.jpg i never noticed before. Also, in many folders bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg are found. Is this correct behavior?


Btw, yesterday for the first time I've seen the new DB in action i guess: clicking artist view resulted in a page loaded with albums, and starting to look good!
Not all albums are shown, and many false tag-results confusing the interface i suppose. Lots of work checking those tags ......


Question: Is there a way to sort this albums in artist view by folder? That way all would be sorted per style also (classic, jazz, pop etc) and in those classes by artist (pop, jazz) composer (classical)
Now I've several entries for Frank Sinatra, with every artist cooperation mentioned and found separately, while they should be listed all under Frank Sinatra, since they're are organized like that in the file manager.


Question2: could you have a popup window display the file location of a track please? In the screen you see some files i have to correct, but first locate. Having that popup would be a great help.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129121)



Bug? The left artist bar slides along with scrolling the album window, while i think it should be scrolling independently? Other way round is working correctly.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Oct 2015, 03:38 pm
What is the Artists View back end you speak of? What does it do?

Its the artist view in manic moose media player, it organizes your music by artist


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129122)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Oct 2015, 04:15 pm
HI Chris,


Does the new Bryston db  build several new image files in each folder?
Suddenly I've come across bryston_db_disable.jpg and crossfade.jpg i never noticed before. Also, in many folders bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg are found. Is this correct behavior?


Btw, yesterday for the first time I've seen the new DB in action i guess: clicking artist view resulted in a page loaded with albums, and starting to look good!
Not all albums are shown, and many false tag-results confusing the interface i suppose. Lots of work checking those tags ......


Question: Is there a way to sort this albums in artist view by folder? That way all would be sorted per style also (classic, jazz, pop etc) and in those classes by artist (pop, jazz) composer (classical)
Now I've several entries for Frank Sinatra, with every artist cooperation mentioned and found separately, while they should be listed all under Frank Sinatra, since they're are organized like that in the file manager.


Question2: could you have a popup window display the file location of a track please? In the screen you see some files i have to correct, but first locate. Having that popup would be a great help.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129121)



Bug? The left artist bar slides along with scrolling the album window, while i think it should be scrolling independently? Other way round is working correctly.


Cheers,
Marius

I thought you made those files, I guess I better go back and check the firmware. 

The songs file path is suppose to (admittedly doesn't always) be shown in the song info window and scroll along the blue title bar. 

my near future strategy for the bryston db is to maintain existing performance, but to come up with a system that doesn't require the entire database to be stored in system memory at once.  This should resolve the problem you have with your BDP-1 and 150,000+ songs, just like to point out that although the 5 year warranty on BDP-1's begin to end we are still putting serious development time into the firmware.  Then resurrect the album view, which will include a "filter" menu, the "filter" menu will allow the user to narrow whats currently being shown.  Drop down menu for genre, an alphabet drop down menu (artists begin with) and a search.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 5 Oct 2015, 08:05 pm
What phrase are you entering to perform the search?
I tried different artist names and album names. Nothing is searched. I tested this via Safari and Chrome on Mac
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2015, 08:25 pm
I tried different artist names and album names. Nothing is searched. I tested this via Safari and Chrome on Mac

Are you clicking on ARTIST in the right hand list before you search?

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 5 Oct 2015, 08:31 pm
Are you clicking on ARTIST in the right hand list before you search?

james
It does not work either with clicking or without it. I believe that it should work by simply entering text in search field and pressing Enter.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2015, 08:40 pm
It does not work either with clicking or without it. I believe that it should work by simply entering text in search field and pressing Enter.

Gee that is strange as it works fine for me - will let Chris get it touch.

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 5 Oct 2015, 08:50 pm
ditto here, clicking enter-key or the loupe seem not to have any effect, no visual feedback a search is going on either.
Cheers,
Marius



I tried different artist names and album names. Nothing is searched. I tested this via Safari and Chrome on Mac
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 5 Oct 2015, 08:54 pm
Lol, no i didn't make up any files of that sort, only collect cover.jpg, back.jpg, cd.jpg etc.


File info: you mean after clicking play and pressing the info wheel? Doesn't work yet in my situation, i get all the -1's again, and can't play for now, maybe after a reboot. Would make sense though to be able to see file-info in the artist view via a popup, and not having to play the file first.


Any thoughts on the scrolling issue?




Thanks,
Marius


I thought you made those files, I guess I better go back and check the firmware. 

The songs file path is suppose to (admittedly doesn't always) be shown in the song info window and scroll along the blue title bar. 

my near future strategy for the bryston db is to maintain existing performance, but to come up with a system that doesn't require the entire database to be stored in system memory at once.  This should resolve the problem you have with your BDP-1 and 150,000+ songs, just like to point out that although the 5 year warranty on BDP-1's begin to end we are still putting serious development time into the firmware.  Then resurrect the album view, which will include a "filter" menu, the "filter" menu will allow the user to narrow whats currently being shown.  Drop down menu for genre, an alphabet drop down menu (artists begin with) and a search.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 5 Oct 2015, 10:33 pm
Helo gentlemen,

I'm using MM 2.18 2015-29-9
Overall interface is getting better. One thing , in 2.18
when I was on another tab in Safari and came back to MM tab, the menu refreshed
in a second or so. Now there is no auto-refresh , so you cna't use the menu unless
you click on the browser refresh button

Future request: I love the Tidal capability. When going from Playlist to Queue, the Playlist
always goes to the first album . Is there a possiblity of making it quicker to scoll to the bottom?
Slow on an IPAD
Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bisP on 5 Oct 2015, 11:05 pm
Need some help in making a decision to buy a Bryston Bdp-1 (the older version with spdif out). Wondering if the new MM 2.0x firmware will work with it, my interest in the new firmware primarily to be able to play DSD64 files. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Oct 2015, 12:40 am
ditto here, clicking enter-key or the loupe seem not to have any effect, no visual feedback a search is going on either.
Cheers,
Marius

Hi guys,

The search function doesn't work on he artist view, just the default view.  This is from the previous version of the Bryston db being so slow, eventually the search feature when used on the artrist view will act as a filter.  From the default view, no need to push enter, if you type

artist avicii

It should return any results containin avicii, if I wanted to search for cowboy junkies I would use

artist "cowboy junkies"

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Oct 2015, 12:44 am

Any thoughts on the scrolling issue?


I'm likley not sanitizing the path correctly or at all
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Oct 2015, 12:51 am


Future request: I love the Tidal capability. When going from Playlist to Queue, the Playlist
always goes to the first album . Is there a possiblity of making it quicker to scoll to the bottom?
Slow on an IPAD
Thanks

How many playlists do you have?  Or approximately?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Oct 2015, 12:56 am
Need some help in making a decision to buy a Bryston Bdp-1 (the older version with spdif out). Wondering if the new MM 2.0x firmware will work with it, my interest in the new firmware primarily to be able to play DSD64 files. Thanks in advance.

The BDP-1 will do up to PCM384 (only 352 has been tested) and DSD128.  Really the draw back to the BDP-1 over the BDP-2 is primarily how fast it reacts to input.  Other issues that the 1has over the two include

Doesn't stream all lossless files from tidal
Doesn't load MPD 0.19.9 (DSD512 support)

If your library isn't likley to exceed 20,000 audio files and you don't care about the above I suspect a BDP-1 will be fine.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bisP on 6 Oct 2015, 01:06 am
Much appreciate @unincognito for the info. Just the info I guess I wanted to hear :) , my SACDs files are primarily dsd64 and few 128s, rest are Flac.  Tidal is not a concern.  Thx again. BisP
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - Playlist scrolling
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 6 Oct 2015, 01:19 am
I have around a hundred playlists
Haven't figured out how to consolidate them
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Oct 2015, 02:11 am
Man I'm going to spend a day building playlists  :lol:

Perhaps if the interface only showed like 10 at a time
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Oct 2015, 06:51 am
Not sure i understand what you're saying here ;-) Hope i expressed myself understandably: the 2 panes ought to scroll independently, but scrolling the right pane (with all albums) causes the left pane (artists) to scroll along, thus scrolling the currently selected artist out of view.



I'm likley not sanitizing the path correctly or at all
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Oct 2015, 06:54 am
Chris,


ever since i enabled the dlna renderer service in MM settings, i find my Synology Nas powering off on a daily basis.


Could that in anyway be related to each other? I cant figure out anything else that changed in settings, hard-or software. never happened before, and all drives seem in perfect order. No power failures occurred.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Oct 2015, 12:23 pm
Chris,


ever since i enabled the dlna renderer service in MM settings, i find my Synology Nas powering off on a daily basis.


Could that in anyway be related to each other? I cant figure out anything else that changed in settings, hard-or software. never happened before, and all drives seem in perfect order. No power failures occurred.


Cheers,
Marius

it just runs the gstreamer dlna renderer in the background, i can't imagine its having any effect on the content server.  I suspect its more likely that its simply coincidence.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Oct 2015, 12:27 pm
Not sure i understand what you're saying here ;-) Hope i expressed myself understandably: the 2 panes ought to scroll independently, but scrolling the right pane (with all albums) causes the left pane (artists) to scroll along, thus scrolling the currently selected artist out of view.




i thought you were referring to why the song path might not be displaying in the song info window.  Unfortunately that issue is due to making the interface as cross browser friendly as possible.  It could be resolved, but at the cost of breaking IE compatibility on the page; admittedly its been quite some time since we last looked at the issue.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 6 Oct 2015, 02:11 pm
Hi guys,

The search function doesn't work on he artist view, just the default view.  This is from the previous version of the Bryston db being so slow, eventually the search feature when used on the artrist view will act as a filter.  From the default view, no need to push enter, if you type

artist avicii

It should return any results containin avicii, if I wanted to search for cowboy junkies I would use

artist "cowboy junkies"

Cheers
Chris
Chris, are there any plans to make search fast and working in all views? I consider MM in current state unusable and it is great disappointment for me. Since I bought BDP-2 1,5 years ago I never seen album database working and should stick to buggy unsupported 3d party app such as MPAD. Sorry but I think Bryston should stop writing software by themselves and hire professional  software development team to bring MM to life and develop proper native clients for mobile.  There is simply no excuse for selling such great hardware as BDP-2 with half-baked software.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mv on 6 Oct 2015, 02:33 pm
Chris, are there any plans to make search fast and working in all views? I consider MM in current state unusable and it is great disappointment for me. Since I bought BDP-2 1,5 years ago I never seen album database working and should stick to buggy unsupported 3d party app such as MPAD. Sorry but I think Bryston should stop writing software by themselves and hire professional  software development team to bring MM alive and develop proper native clients for mobile.  There is simply no excuse for selling such great hardware as BDP-2 with half-baked software.

+1

Bryston should provide its own high-quality app to replace MPaD.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Oct 2015, 10:41 pm
Chris, are there any plans to make search fast and working in all views? I consider MM in current state unusable and it is great disappointment for me. Since I bought BDP-2 1,5 years ago I never seen album database working and should stick to buggy unsupported 3d party app such as MPAD. Sorry but I think Bryston should stop writing software by themselves and hire professional  software development team to bring MM to life and develop proper native clients for mobile.  There is simply no excuse for selling such great hardware as BDP-2 with half-baked software.

I'm sorry to hear your still experiencing issues, but I have found in multiple setups that the search features responds as it should and returns results within a few seconds as demonstrated in the live video demo.  As for why Bryston db isn't functioning you'll need to place your BDP into service mode and email me the service id.  If you simply post the service id I may not see it for a day or so and in thag time It may change.  We do quite a bit of testing before releasing new software, but not everyone has the same music.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Oct 2015, 10:46 pm
As to why we don't release a thick app, well it's quite simple, we would have to develop an app for iOS, Android, windows, for both tablet and phone sized devices.  We would end up with an interface that has only a handful of features instead of the web interface that we have now.  A web interface that has been getting better and better with more added features every few months and works on all of the above platforms.  The thick apps would be no less proned to problems, we don't control what you plug into this thing.  That's why we
Introduced the service mode in the first Place to help diagnose and fix things.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 7 Oct 2015, 10:57 am
Chris, I don't quite understand why I need to switch service mode on - because search works exactly as you described: it is slow and working on default view only. When I search for artist or album it dumps matching songs to search results - this is why it is completely unusable. What I need is ability to navigate quickly to artist  and album. This is why I like Mpad despite its problems - I simply can type artist or album in search field and it filters view immediately as I type with no delays. And I even can navigate using alphabet filter and don't bother with typing. I can only dream if MM will behave in this way.
Regarding native vs web UI debate- there is no debate at all. It is well known fact in software industry that there is almost impossible to create HTML5 application that will behave with same performance and quality as native mobile app. Web UI will always look uglier and have various lags and glitches. This is why developers create native apps. You are wasting time  trying to create Web UI that will behave equally good on all devices. I don't believe that this is possible at all - you can trust me because I work as software developer for more than 20 years. What you really need is to leave very basic functions for web UI and establish partnership with some software development company to create IOS and Android app. Note that native apps are the way that choose  Jriver, Auralic and many others.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 7 Oct 2015, 01:11 pm
vklyushnikov:
 What is it about MPAD you find glitchy?  I have it on an iPAD 2 and find it mostly problem free.  I have two ablums that have no tracks or art; Just several ????.  With some patience I can fix those, but they don't bother me that much.  The fact that the album art is 100% represented, minus above two exceptions, is a plus for me.  I have gotten the occasional "wrong artist" showing, but that is fixable with some patience.  Mostly it is due to tagging problems at my end. 

 The creation of Playlists works well if the edits are saved in MM.  The only wish I have is to archive the playlists.  Have not tried to SSH into the BDP to see if I can find the Playlists.

 I'd like to know, though, what problems you have with this app.  Maybe I have seen some similar problems initially, but now it is very stable.

 I agree that a "native app" is probably the way to go, but if MM would refresh the screen when certain functions occur it would help.  i.e. If the album art is missing for the first track of a playlist, clicking on "Dashboard" then on "Music Player" refreshes the screen now showing the album art.  There are other examples of screen refresh issues that I can't think of at this time, but I really only use MM to save or delete Playlists, Update the library or update the DB.  MM has improved a lot over time so don't give up on that option yet.

   Thanks ahead for any reply, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 7 Oct 2015, 07:20 pm
vklyushnikov:
 What is it about MPAD you find glitchy?
My concerns about MPad are following:
While all these issues are important, MPad is still the only way to control BDP from IPad. I have found also new MPD controller in App Store but it seems that it does not support cover art: https://itunes.apple.com/ru/app/mpdluxe/id991758069?mt=8 (https://itunes.apple.com/ru/app/mpdluxe/id991758069?mt=8)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Oct 2015, 11:33 pm
Not to Be critical, but it sounds like some of the issues aren't issues but simply misunderstandings.  For instance mPad ... yes tapping a song places it into the playlist and begins playing; but if you hold your finger on an item it provides a menu that includes additional options, like "add to playlist" or "play next".
 
We do provide features in our  firmware that allow our customers to make use of dlna controllers, this feature was introduced with manic moose over two years ago.    We feel web apps are not without there draw back and we aren't the only ones that feel this way; for example both Apple and Microsoft have released web versions of there office packages.  Yes they have there short falls, but the do have pro's (as listed above) and the list/seriousness of there con's are dwindling at pace faster then then the advantages of thick apps.
 
Please see the video I produced today to help clarify how much faster the BDP-2 is over  the BDP-1 when it comes to the processing power with a library of 27,000 songs and the general performance of both.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/S2.18%20demo.mov
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 8 Oct 2015, 01:44 am
Its the artist view in manic moose media player, it organizes your music by artist


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129122)

Thanks

I followed the instructions above I.e. Click the gear icon then enable Bryston DB, I clicked save and then reset DB. A message displays saying the DB will be rebuilt on next load. Not sure what that means so I forced a reboot, that didn't enable the Artist view so I power cycled the unit but still no go. I must be missing something simple.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 Oct 2015, 02:24 am
after clicking the reset db button the BDP begins to take the MPD database and creates a second copy in the form of an sqlite database along with creating cover art optimized for the web interface.  While this is going on the BDP will report the percentage completed from the artist view page.  Something may have occurred when the BDP was forced off, you should review the video linked below and if you still continue to experience problems you should place the bdp into service mode and email me the service id.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.html
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.mov

artist view is covered at the 32 minute mark

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 8 Oct 2015, 11:06 am
Thanks Chris, I'll give it another try, I would have definitely performed the reboot well before it would have had a chance to finish.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Oct 2015, 11:25 am
i thought you were referring to why the song path might not be displaying in the song info window.  Unfortunately that issue is due to making the interface as cross browser friendly as possible.  It could be resolved, but at the cost of breaking IE compatibility on the page; admittedly its been quite some time since we last looked at the issue.


No Chris,


I was referring to https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.mov (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.mov) 35.52. scrolling the album pane, takes along the artist pane. It shouldn't i think?


Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 8 Oct 2015, 12:20 pm
after clicking the reset db button the BDP begins to take the MPD database and creates a second copy in the form of an sqlite database along with creating cover art optimized for the web interface.  While this is going on the BDP will report the percentage completed from the artist view page.  Something may have occurred when the BDP was forced off, you should review the video linked below and if you still continue to experience problems you should place the bdp into service mode and email me the service id.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.html
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.mov

artist view is covered at the 32 minute mark

Cheers,
Chris

So I got it to work, thanks. It wasn't doing the build after clicking Update DB but rather only after I re-clicked on Artist View so that was a bit different than the instructions. 

Something I just noticed though, once the DB was rebuilt and I was done playing/browsing I went to take a look at my NAS folders and when I went back the Artist view was gone and once again said it was disabled and would have to be setup again. Is this normal? Shouldn't it retain this view once built?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 8 Oct 2015, 12:46 pm
Is this normal after enabling Reset DB and re-clicking Artist View?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129269)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 8 Oct 2015, 12:55 pm
Never mind, I got it to work again, had to click Update this time.

I decided to enable show song resolution this time, where is that supposed to show up? For some albums I have them in ripped CD as flac, mp3 and high res as flac and in Artist view I can't tell which is which until I actually load the song, I was hoping it would appear in that view somehow along with the songs.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Oct 2015, 02:21 pm
Chris,


Im trying the squeezebox functionality and the Squeezebox iOS app.


Squeezeslave won't stick in settings. I can select it and start/stop, it briefly turns on but  then quickly turns off again.
Squeezelite will stay on, but the app won't see it.
I don't have a logitech squeezebox, but was led to believe the services emulate this on the local network ?


would i have to deselect any of the other services (dlna, shairplay) , for memory sake?
Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 8 Oct 2015, 03:44 pm
  VKLYUSHNIKOV said:
I agree with the above two.  Chris explained the Playlist adding issue well.  I actually think this is one of the best Playlist management workings I've seen on any controller.  Lots of options where to put the added track(s).  Only problem is the playlist has to be saved in MM for the additions to hold.
  Thanks for your list.  It shows there are different functionality wishes for each user.
      Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 8 Oct 2015, 05:33 pm
I've also noticed the search feature not working all of the time.

For example I typed artist joe satriani and it found everything. I then typed artist steve vai and nothing was returned so I tried artist vai and all the steve vai files showed. Even more odd when typing artist lacuna coil nothing came back so I tried artist lacuna, still nothing returned, then I tried artist coil, again nothing. So I tried album Broken and before I could type the 2nd word in the album title all the Lacuna Coil Broken Crown Halo album songs were found.

Something else I noticed was once the Artist view DB was loaded, when I went back to default view and clicked on the Artist folder and started browsing through the selections not all of my albums were appearing for each artist.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 8 Oct 2015, 05:35 pm
I forgot about using quotes when there is more than one word when searching, hopefully that's all I needed. I'll try again this evening.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 9 Oct 2015, 03:23 am
Hi Chris:
Am i the only user with a bdp-1 and the latest build (2.18) who cannot get the genres and album names for most of my music to work correctly? Song names and artist tags are read better but there are still errors in artist names and album artists from my wave files (all of my music is in wav except for a handful of mp3's) but for many builds now mm will not show the genres for most music nor will it properly show album names. It's a total mess. I have done every conceivable thing to get it to update, including update at reboot and enabling the database And restarts.
At one time mm was reading my genres but adding song name tags made it read genres from a very small subset of songs. Similar behavior in the album names is now shoeing up. I use mpad because of this mess but the genre issue carries over to that too. Album names come from my folder structure there ( i think) so i don't have issues with that.. mm is unusable for me. Any help would be appreciated.
Richard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Oct 2015, 12:02 pm
No you're not..


But Chris is working with every feedback you can give him, and making progress with every build.


Only last week was i able to see some of the album art for the first time since MM. Saw only a small fraction of my library, and then not all was correct. But it was a major step forward, from seeing nothing at all.


Had to re-sort and rebuild because of checking Album Artist instead of Artist, and am back to where i was before: no album art at all, and building seems to get stuck again...
So, give Chris your feedback, and he and we all will take advantage of that.


Cheers,
Marius


Hi Chris:
Am i the only user with a bdp-1 and the latest build (2.18) who cannot get the genres and album names for most of my music to work correctly? Song names and artist tags are read better but there are still errors in artist names and album artists from my wave files (all of my music is in wav except for a handful of mp3's) but for many builds now mm will not show the genres for most music nor will it properly show album names. It's a total mess. I have done every conceivable thing to get it to update, including update at reboot and enabling the database And restarts.
At one time mm was reading my genres but adding song name tags made it read genres from a very small subset of songs. Similar behavior in the album names is now shoeing up. I use mpad because of this mess but the genre issue carries over to that too. Album names come from my folder structure there ( i think) so i don't have issues with that.. mm is unusable for me. Any help would be appreciated.
Richard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Oct 2015, 12:09 pm
Chris,
2 questions please:


-the album art seems to be case sensitive, which i hope you can take out. cover.jpg and Back.jpg in the folder shows only cover.jpg, while cover.jpg and back.jpg shows them both, clicking on the album art.


- im trying to add a share for some nested folders on my NAS Synology. All genres are sorted under a shared folder Mp3. In MM, i won't get the box where one can select a subfolder. I thought that a shared folder would also share its nested folders, but apparently that doesn't work? I cant select these folders in the Synology software to share separately since apparently shared nested folders aren't allowed. Please tell me if this is expected behavior. If not , what to do to solve this? I could of course upgrade all nested folders to root folders, but that would destruct my full library logic. Id rather not, if not necessary.

in MM am able to select the main share, but clicking the NEXT button does nothing.




see how Plex does this easily:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129312)






Cheers,
Marius



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Oct 2015, 12:11 pm
Hi Chris:
Am i the only user with a bdp-1 and the latest build (2.18) who cannot get the genres and album names for most of my music to work correctly? Song names and artist tags are read better but there are still errors in artist names and album artists from my wave files (all of my music is in wav except for a handful of mp3's) but for many builds now mm will not show the genres for most music nor will it properly show album names. It's a total mess. I have done every conceivable thing to get it to update, including update at reboot and enabling the database And restarts.
At one time mm was reading my genres but adding song name tags made it read genres from a very small subset of songs. Similar behavior in the album names is now shoeing up. I use mpad because of this mess but the genre issue carries over to that too. Album names come from my folder structure there ( i think) so i don't have issues with that.. mm is unusable for me. Any help would be appreciated.
Richard

Hi Richard,

If you could place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id I'll be able to take a look at the system.  If your library is wav though, this is likley the issue as wav has no defined way of implementing tag/meta data.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 9 Oct 2015, 04:42 pm
I forgot about using quotes when there is more than one word when searching, hopefully that's all I needed. I'll try again this evening.

Just an update, so adding the quotes helped somewhat, "steve vai" worked  but "lacuna coil" still did not.

I also noticed that in the scenarios where I have 3 versions of the same ablum, 16/44.1 flac, 24/94 flac and mp3 I was only seeing 2 albums in Artist View and also in the default view when going through the Artist or Artist Album folders. I was seeing my CD album and then an undisclosed 2nd one :).

As I looked at the 2nd one I could see that there were 2 of each song, I assume one was the 24/96 and the other was the mp3. The song numbering was weird as well, it went 001, 002, 003, etc. plus the song name. I looked at the tag info and noticed that my CD album had (CD) at the end of the album name field but both the mp3 and 24/96 albums were tagged the same and simply had the album name. I then went and put (mp3) at the end of the album name tag field for the mp3 album and could see that the database was updating so now in theory each album is unique via the album name tag. When I went back to look I still could only see 2 versions of the album, the CD album as before plus the 2nd. The doubling of the songs was gone but there was no 3rd album showing anywhere in the list. I also noticed that the songs were all still numbered 001, 002 , 003 plus the respective song name rather than simply 1, 2, 3 etc. or no number at all. I would have thought that would have corrected itself but it looks like the database is still confused.

I re-enabled update database and it did, very quickly so I'm wondering is there a way to force it to completely rebuild from scratch, maybe that might fix the oddities I'm seeing.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Oct 2015, 05:28 pm
Just an update, so adding the quotes helped somewhat, "steve vai" worked  but "lacuna coil" still did not.

I also noticed that in the scenarios where I have 3 versions of the same ablum, 16/44.1 flac, 24/94 flac and mp3 I was only seeing 2 albums in Artist View and also in the default view when going through the Artist or Artist Album folders. I was seeing my CD album and then an undisclosed 2nd one :).

As I looked at the 2nd one I could see that there were 2 of each song, I assume one was the 24/96 and the other was the mp3. The song numbering was weird as well, it went 001, 002, 003, etc. plus the song name. I looked at the tag info and noticed that my CD album had (CD) at the end of the album name field but both the mp3 and 24/96 albums were tagged the same and simply had the album name. I then went and put (mp3) at the end of the album name tag field for the mp3 album and could see that the database was updating so now in theory each album is unique via the album name tag. When I went back to look I still could only see 2 versions of the album, the CD album as before plus the 2nd. The doubling of the songs was gone but there was no 3rd album showing anywhere in the list. I also noticed that the songs were all still numbered 001, 002 , 003 plus the respective song name rather than simply 1, 2, 3 etc. or no number at all. I would have thought that would have corrected itself but it looks like the database is still confused.

I re-enabled update database and it did, very quickly so I'm wondering is there a way to force it to completely rebuild from scratch, maybe that might fix the oddities I'm seeing.

If you want to force a rebuild of the Artist View, simply use the "Reset DB" button found in media player, the MPD DB there is the clear cache button found in MPD Settings page
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Oct 2015, 05:36 pm
Chris,
2 questions please:


-the album art seems to be case sensitive, which i hope you can take out. cover.jpg and Back.jpg in the folder shows only cover.jpg, while cover.jpg and back.jpg shows them both, clicking on the album art.



It shouldn't be case sensitive, it might be filesystem related (as i have only thoroughly tested it against fat32 and samba shares) or caused by older versions of the firmware.  The next build of the firmware will have the first revision of a new tool with the intention of assisting with cover art and tag data issues. 

I'm not quite following the second question.  If using the NAS Setup and you select a SMB share you can optionally select a sub folder.  The BDP will share these using its own samba sharing service, however if the BDP mounts the shares after it has already initialized the samba service you can can restart the samba service to force it to recreate share points.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 9 Oct 2015, 06:55 pm
I played around for the 1st time last night with the Internet radio functionality. I must say, pretty slick. It's great having all that content available through the BDP. It's an excellent opportunity to check out different genres of music.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Oct 2015, 07:44 pm

Its just that i can't optionally select a subfolder. It isn't presented as an option in the extra dropdown box as shown in your video.





I'm not quite following the second question.  If using the NAS Setup and you select a SMB share you can optionally select a sub folder.  The BDP will share these using its own samba sharing service, however if the BDP mounts the shares after it has already initialized the samba service you can can restart the samba service to force it to recreate share points.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Oct 2015, 08:43 pm
Its just that i can't optionally select a subfolder. It isn't presented as an option in the extra dropdown box as shown in your video.

If you place it I service mode and email me te service id I can see why and may lead to a fix
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 9 Oct 2015, 09:00 pm
Chris,


Im trying the squeezebox functionality and the Squeezebox iOS app.


Squeezeslave won't stick in settings. I can select it and start/stop, it briefly turns on but  then quickly turns off again.
Squeezelite will stay on, but the app won't see it.
I don't have a logitech squeezebox, but was led to believe the services emulate this on the local network ?


would i have to deselect any of the other services (dlna, shairplay) , for memory sake?
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius
To use Squeezebox you need to have Squeezebox server installed on your NAS, where music library is. The server will see the BDP as a network player. The IOS app is just a remote control
Hope this helps

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 9 Oct 2015, 09:16 pm
Wow this is frustrating. I did clear the cache and that didn't make any difference. Some of the numbering seems to be a result of the tag data. So I changed my mp3 and 96/24 flac tags to follow the way my CD tags are to make things consistent and in some cases it made things look like the 44.1/16 (CD) album but not so in others so there seems to be some flaky stuff going on with how the tag data is being used. Also some albums simply are not showing up at all in Artist view and in the default view --> Album Artist section. Everything is always viewable in Default view when I actually browse my NAS by the folder structure or if I choose the Artist folder off of the default view.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Oct 2015, 09:22 pm
i see,
thought the renderer setting on the BDP did that. :duh:


Ill try to find it then and see what happens. This should be it?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129358)


Thanks,
Marius


Hi Marius
To use Squeezebox you need to have Squeezebox server installed on your NAS, where music library is. The server will see the BDP as a network player. The IOS app is just a remote control
Hope this helps
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Oct 2015, 09:22 pm
If you place it I service mode and email me te service id I can see why and may lead to a fix
mail sent!, thanks Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 10 Oct 2015, 11:11 am
Yes, Marius, this is the server. If you use NAS there are also specific packages instead.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Oct 2015, 11:51 am
Ok i will dl and install. cant find the specs so let me ask you: will this support 24bit hi res flac's and wav's?
I ask because the shairplay seems not to (as doesn't airplay) and im trying to find an easy way of rendering the flags on my NAs over the BDP. And doing so, relieving the BDP of the usb tasks.


Cheers,
Marius


Yes, Marius, this is the server. If you use NAS there are also specific packages instead.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Oct 2015, 02:12 pm
So i got the squeezelite renderer to work fine, just like the Shairplay before.


Whats missing though is some kind of visual feedback in MM and the frontpanel of what's playing. Chris is it correct that's not showing right now? if so, could you implement that?


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 10 Oct 2015, 03:53 pm
What particular artist tags are being used when doing the searches such as "artist steve vai"?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 10 Oct 2015, 04:30 pm
Upgraded to 2.18 2015-09-2015

I actually like version 2.16 and would like to go back if possible.
When I leave the MPD page in Safari to read another tab and go back to the MPD tab later the page never refreshes. In 2.16 , the controls  would refresh in a second or so. Now everything is locked up and frozen.
Also in 2.16 when I swiped a song off the playlist , it was removed immediately . Now it takes aabout 15 seconds to go away. Inconvenient. If these aren't going to be fixed, is there a way to go back to verions 2.16?
Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Oct 2015, 05:12 pm
Upgraded to 2.18 2015-09-2015

I actually like version 2.16 and would like to go back if possible.
When I leave the MPD page in Safari to read another tab and go back to the MPD tab later the page never refreshes. In 2.16 , the controls  would refresh in a second or so. Now everything is locked up and frozen.
Also in 2.16 when I swiped a song off the playlist , it was removed immediately . Now it takes aabout 15 seconds to go away. Inconvenient. If these aren't going to be fixed, is there a way to go back to verions 2.16?
Thanks

We had to make some changes to BDP-1's that would actually lock up due to the software that automatically re-establishes communication between BDP and browser.  Assuming you mean the web interface is no longer responding and your using a BDP-1 then this is normal and should be resolvable just refreshing the page.

The second item, well I havn't noticed that myself, removing a song seems relatively quick, within a second or two.

Have you tried clearing your browsers cache?  Witch browser and OS combination are you using?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 10 Oct 2015, 11:24 pm
I'm using Safari Ipad iOS 9.0.2
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Oct 2015, 12:04 am
I'm using Safari Ipad iOS 9.0.2

Approximately how many songs in the playlist usually and which ipad model?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 11 Oct 2015, 01:06 am
I have a bigger problem now after clearing the cache
The player won't respond. I'm getting a message "MPD doesn't appear to be responding"
Tried re-booting and not working
can you help me?
thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 11 Oct 2015, 01:23 am
ok I resolved that, whew
I'm using iPad 2 I think
I have about 10000 songs
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 11 Oct 2015, 01:24 am
usually no more that a dozen songs in the playlist
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Oct 2015, 08:28 pm
HI Chris,


Experimenting with the settings in MM, i disabled the USB Mount, and try to only play form my Nas shares. However, the BDP keeps displaying my usb-drives plugged into the BDP, both front and back.
Also, i think it still counts the Number of Songs, displayed on Settings/system from these usb drives.


Do i need to reset something? or is this a bug.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Oct 2015, 10:01 pm
HI Chris,


Experimenting with the settings in MM, i disabled the USB Mount, and try to only play form my Nas shares. However, the BDP keeps displaying my usb-drives plugged into the BDP, both front and back.
Also, i think it still counts the Number of Songs, displayed on Settings/system from these usb drives.


Do i need to reset something? or is this a bug.


Cheers,
Marius

Turning off USB mount doesn't unmount the drives, it simple turns off the software responsible for mount and unmounting the drives.  If you wish to ensure your playing purely from your NAS, unplug the drives, reboot, update the mod database.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 12 Oct 2015, 10:10 pm
I just upgraded my iPad to the latest iOS and noticed that if I navigate away from MM and come back it no longer updates where you are in the song list. I'm in default view. I have to reclick default view to get things back on track.

In a future release would their be any chance on implementing a few different sort order choices? For example in Artist View it would be nice to switch from the current alphabetical to say release date. I always like to have my albums ordered by release date.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Oct 2015, 10:31 pm
I just upgraded my iPad to the latest iOS and noticed that if I navigate away from MM and come back it no longer updates where you are in the song list. I'm in default view. I have to reclick default view to get things back on track.

In a future release would their be any chance on implementing a few different sort order choices? For example in Artist View it would be nice to switch from the current alphabetical to say release date. I always like to have my albums ordered by release date.

I can look into using the date and adding it to the list of things to sort by.  I just upgraded an iPad 2 to iOS9 to test other issues recently posted and can't say I noticed that problem on either the BDP-1 or 2.  Do you have the same problem from a computer or other device? 

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 13 Oct 2015, 12:46 am
I'll give a test tomorrow controlling from my laptop and get back to you, getting ready for bed now :) I've never used my laptop for actual listening so that will be a good test. I've never had the issue previously on my iPad so maybe there is just some flaky/inconsistent behaviour with iOS9.

Thanks for considering an addition to the sort order.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Oct 2015, 06:40 am
Chris,
Thank you for this:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=130452)


Cheers,
Marius


I can look into using the date and adding it to the list of things to sort by. 

Cheers
Chris

That would indeed be very nice, a welcome extra . Please also consider a 'recently added' category. Maybe in the initial media player display, below the list with genre , Artist , album etc. Coming from Plex that has that feature , it really is a miss not to have ones latest downloads at the fingertips. Hope you can make it.

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Oct 2015, 06:50 am
Ok Thanks Chris, just unplugged them, we'll see what happens.


Just to be sure:
Playing from a Nas doesn't introduce the risk of stuttering files does it? I take it the BDP reads and buffers the files before playing? I ask because yesterday i installed the new Google Chromecast Audio, and experienced serious gaps in hires files. Could be caused by the Synology NAS not being equipped for this (the Chromecast Dac ought to be powerful enough), but still it was a letdown.


Cheers,
Marius


Turning off USB mount doesn't unmount the drives, it simple turns off the software responsible for mount and unmounting the drives.  If you wish to ensure your playing purely from your NAS, unplug the drives, reboot, update the mod database.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 13 Oct 2015, 07:10 am
Marius,

How/where did you install Chromecast Audio?

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Oct 2015, 07:19 am
in my second system in the Gym ;-)


usb power from the Synology Nas. Wifi from the Apple Airport Express next to it, and feeds into my Quad 44. All within a square meter, so distance cant be the issue...


Cheers,
Marius


Marius,

How/where did you install Chromecast Audio?

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 13 Oct 2015, 10:57 am
Something else I have found odd and I'll have to check iOS behaviour against my laptop (Windows 8.1) tonight but when in Artist View the left pane does not scroll independently of the right which depending on how many albums an artist has (the right pane) or how many artists you have (left pane) can be quite annoying because you will lose your position in the opposite pane when you start scrolling.

Another nit pick is again with Artist view, when you are in the right pane scrolling through the albums after choosing an artist the right pane does not have left/right scroll functionality so you can only ever see and get access to the 1st column of songs. If there are enough songs on the album to warrant more than one column and you wanted to select individual songs there is no way of seeing/getting to them. We shouldn't have to switch to Default View to have access to all of our individual songs. I'll compare what I see on the iPad with Windows tonight. It might be that the screen on the laptop is wide enough to accommodate more than one column of songs but regardless I think the software should be flexible enough to know how much screen space is available and whether a scroll bar is necessary.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Oct 2015, 12:10 pm
Well, strangest things happen.
Chris, Ill assume you're not experimenting with my BDP in service mode ;)
Ive unplugged all external usb drives (3 of them) and only have the Bryston thumb, and 2 NAs Shares enabled. Also only MPD, Servicemode, and Samba were activated in services.

After a few reboots to clear all caches, both in the BDP database and my browsers, it seemed to be successful. I saw only the 2 shares and the Bryston thumb in the Mediaplayer in MM. I then selected a few songs. Nothing happend in the playlist, songs were not displayed at all. In fact, MM became unresponsive. Both Safari and Chrome.

After letting in rest for a bit (had to watch the Security counsil's report on the MH17 Crash..) I tried to fire MM again and behold the result: all previous drives are back. They're not even attached and a rebuild of the full library has been made. Also, in services USB-Mount shows it's enabled. I certainly did not do that...


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129587)
 
In Finder the correct maps are shown,
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129588)

Chris, im in real need of help here. What to do? I really like to go back to a BDP playing music. I have no idea what triggered this chain of events, other than trying the Bryston DB a few days back. That is disabled right now, i don't dare to try it again.

Cheers,
Marius



Ok Thanks Chris, just unplugged them, we'll see what happens.


Just to be sure:
Playing from a Nas doesn't introduce the risk of stuttering files does it? I take it the BDP reads and buffers the files before playing? I ask because yesterday i installed the new Google Chromecast Audio, and experienced serious gaps in hires files. Could be caused by the Synology NAS not being equipped for this (the Chromecast Dac ought to be powerful enough), but still it was a letdown.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 13 Oct 2015, 02:56 pm
Not to Be critical, but it sounds like some of the issues aren't issues but simply misunderstandings.  For instance mPad ... yes tapping a song places it into the playlist and begins playing; but if you hold your finger on an item it provides a menu that includes additional options, like "add to playlist" or "play next".
 
We do provide features in our  firmware that allow our customers to make use of dlna controllers, this feature was introduced with manic moose over two years ago.    We feel web apps are not without there draw back and we aren't the only ones that feel this way; for example both Apple and Microsoft have released web versions of there office packages.  Yes they have there short falls, but the do have pro's (as listed above) and the list/seriousness of there con's are dwindling at pace faster then then the advantages of thick apps.
 
Please see the video I produced today to help clarify how much faster the BDP-2 is over  the BDP-1 when it comes to the processing power with a library of 27,000 songs and the general performance of both.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/S2.18%20demo.mov

Hi Chris,
In my opinion most problems with different software go either from bugs or poor usability - not from "misunderstanding". For example Mpad has excellent usability but also has some annoying bugs. In my case "add to playlist" and "play next" actions always start playback - at least on my Ipad. This is a bug but no one care about it because developer doesn't support his app for almost 2 years.
In case of MM we have problems mostly with usability. I watched your video but found nothing useful for me. I don't need searching all songs by artist. I don't need to type [album "some album"]  - especially on IPad. What I need is exactly the same design as implemented in MPad: artist, album and song views with simple filter by input box + abc filter. There is nothing unusual in such design because dozens of software players are implemented in this way.
And some more suggestions:
1.Right column in default view is unnecessary. You may create "File View" for navigating in file system, but this view should not be default.
2.I also miss ability to view artwork on full screen
3.There should be the way to show the total remaining time in playlist. I miss this feature since my old good BCD-1 :)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: StigO on 13 Oct 2015, 03:58 pm
An app for ios/windows/android would be nice. Isn't much more work supporting different browsers and browserupdates?
I use mpad, but I guess if Bryston created their own app it would work more smoothly, and could integrate Tidal in an better way then in a browser.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Oct 2015, 06:20 pm
Hi Chris,


Only today did i realize the Clear cache command in the Settings/Music Player Deamon concerns the MPD database, and not anything related to Last.FM.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129624)


Wouldn't you agree that button should better be placed near the BrystonDB buttons in Media player Settings?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129625)


Could you please explain the difference between the 2: reset DB and Clear cache. ( i would have thought the reset DB also clears the cache)


I now notice the crossfade on that Page, is this related to the crossfade.jpg files I found lately in my Music folders?


Last one for now: Since MM/BDP apparently also writes files to the Music folders, need i authorize the account accordingly in my NAS ( it now only has reading permission )?




Cheers,
Marius





Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 13 Oct 2015, 06:33 pm
Hi Chris,


Only today did i realize the Clear cache command in the Settings/Music Player Deamon concerns the MPD database, and not anything related to Last.FM.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129624)


Wouldn't you agree that button should better be placed near the BrystonDB buttons in Media player Settings?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129625)


Could you please explain the difference between the 2: reset DB and Clear cache. ( i would have thought the reset DB also clears the cache)


I now notice the crossfade on that Page, is this related to the crossfade.jpg files I found lately in my Music folders?


Last one for now: Since MM/BDP apparently also writes files to the Music folders, need i authorize the account accordingly in my NAS ( it now only has reading permission )?




Cheers,
Marius

Good point Marius about the location of the Clar Cache button.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 13 Oct 2015, 10:17 pm
I can look into using the date and adding it to the list of things to sort by.  I just upgraded an iPad 2 to iOS9 to test other issues recently posted and can't say I noticed that problem on either the BDP-1 or 2.  Do you have the same problem from a computer or other device? 

Cheers
Chris

So I just did the experiment using web browsers on my Windows 8.1 laptop, IE and Chrome. The issue with the current song not refreshing when navigating away and coming back seems to be specific to the new iOS9. The laptop was properly refreshing every time I return to the tab and like I mentioned this was never an issue with the previous iOS version.

I also checked out the horizontal scrolling of songs when in Artist view and there are horizontal scroll bars when you can't see all songs and they function as expected so again there seems to be a bug in iOS functionality?

One thing that is common between iOS and the web browsers is that the vertical scrolling in Artist View on both the left and right frames are locked, scrolling one scrolls the other, they should really be independent.

The other thing I was able to confirm was when in Default view and you select the Artist Album folder, that view does not pick up all albums associated with the artist. It doesn't happen for all of my artists though. It simply can't detect some of my albums. This is consistent with iOS and Windows on my laptop. If I go back and go into the Artist folder that view properly picks up all of the albums associated with my Artists.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Oct 2015, 12:02 am
So I just did the experiment using web browsers on my Windows 8.1 laptop, IE and Chrome. The issue with the current song not refreshing when navigating away and coming back seems to be specific to the new iOS9. The laptop was properly refreshing every time I return to the tab and like I mentioned this was never an issue with the previous iOS version.

I also checked out the horizontal scrolling of songs when in Artist view and there are horizontal scroll bars when you can't see all songs and they function as expected so again there seems to be a bug in iOS functionality?

One thing that is common between iOS and the web browsers is that the vertical scrolling in Artist View on both the left and right frames are locked, scrolling one scrolls the other, they should really be independent.

The other thing I was able to confirm was when in Default view and you select the Artist Album folder, that view does not pick up all albums associated with the artist. It doesn't happen for all of my artists though. It simply can't detect some of my albums. This is consistent with iOS and Windows on my laptop. If I go back and go into the Artist folder that view properly picks up all of the albums associated with my Artists.

To address the artist view there will be a new option in media player that will add some extra CSS to the page.  Not sure how well it will work, hence why it will be an option that can be enable or disabled. 

I upgraded an iPad 2 to iOS 9.0.2 on Monday and didn't have any issue and did some more testing today, granted today's testing focused on the new artist view.

Have you tried another browser on your ipad, like Chrome, could be something not quite working

You should load some of the albums that don't populate in to the playlist, play a song and check song info to see if the fields populate.

Apple really needs to change were the omojis button is on the keyboard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Oct 2015, 12:18 am
Hi Chris,


Only today did i realize the Clear cache command in the Settings/Music Player Deamon concerns the MPD database, and not anything related to Last.FM.


Wouldn't you agree that button should better be placed near the BrystonDB buttons in Media player Settings


Could you please explain the difference between the 2: reset DB and Clear cache. ( i would have thought the reset DB also clears the cache)


I now notice the crossfade on that Page, is this related to the crossfade.jpg files I found lately in my Music folders?


Last one for now: Since MM/BDP apparently also writes files to the Music folders, need i authorize the account accordingly in my NAS ( it now only has reading permission )?




Cheers,
Marius

I'll do something about the buttons, but the lastfm settings are directly related to mpd, they allow mpd to report the music your listening to, to your last fm account.  Next time you login, lastfm will make recommendations based on what you've listened to.

Reset DB , found in media player is related to the Bryston DB and the Bryston DB is only used by media player.  Clear cache, resets the mpd cache used to save the database between reboots and used by all mpd clients; hence why it's found in mpd settings.  They are seperate and only need to be used under certain circumstances. 

Reset DB would be used if the artist or sorts are out of date and an auto update wasn't triggered.  Clearing the cache should only be used if the mpd database is either crashing while being built or isn't removing or adding songs it should be.

Crossfade allows the song that's ending to cross fade with the next song, if the value is set to 0 the feature is disabled, if you enter five it'll use a cross fade of 5 seconds.

I'm not sure why the BDP is generating cross fade.jpg or the other one which file name escapes me at the moment and havn't spent much time researching it other then it's not the Bryston DB creating them... Atleast relatively sure it isn't

If you want cover art in the artist view, yes, write permission is required
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Oct 2015, 12:24 am
An app for ios/windows/android would be nice. Isn't much more work supporting different browsers and browserupdates?
I use mpad, but I guess if Bryston created their own app it would work more smoothly, and could integrate Tidal in an better way then in a browser.

No, each platform uses a different programming language and that language changes from time to time (granted not very frequently and there is time to switch).  iOS and Mac OS used objective-c and are now transitioning to swift.  Microsoft uses the .net environment which I believe the current goto language in it is hash, before the c++ and a few others have been tide in like basic.  Android uses Java, so the apps can't really get much better then they already are.

Creating a web app, you take all of your back end code and it never changes, even the HTML remains the same.  The tricky part has to do with CSS, but this isn't a new issue and css3 takes this into account and allows web designers to add tags to specific browsers.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 14 Oct 2015, 01:31 am
To address the artist view there will be a new option in media player that will add some extra CSS to the page.  Not sure how well it will work, hence why it will be an option that can be enable or disabled. 

I upgraded an iPad 2 to iOS 9.0.2 on Monday and didn't have any issue and did some more testing today, granted today's testing focused on the new artist view.

Have you tried another browser on your ipad, like Chrome, could be something not quite working

You should load some of the albums that don't populate in to the playlist, play a song and check song info to see if the fields populate.

Apple really needs to change were the omojis button is on the keyboard

I haven't tried another browser on my iPad but I can certainly give that a try.

I'll also try what you suggest about adding some albums that don't show in the Artist Album folder via another method and see if there is any info on them.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Oct 2015, 06:36 am
Thanks Chris,
I think the Clear cache did the trick! After that a full update took place and the BDP is fully responsive again. BDP at nominal operation ! pfff took some effort, thanks for helping, chatting and skyping. Customer service at its best  :thumb: :thumb:




So if i understand correctly MM has


1- update, either full, or incremental
2- reset (Bryston) DB (which needs a reload (=reboot?) and
3- Clear cache (which also does a full update after an immediate reboot, since the MPD DB is cleared and needs to be rebuilt)


Bryston Db is needed for the album art only? or does it also have anything to do with the MPD DB?
For a simple user as i am, the distinction is a bit complex to understand. I would have thought rebuilding a MPD DB would also imply a rebuild of the Bryston DB. And vice versa, resetting the Bryson DB (ie building it from scratch ) implies a relationship with the MPD DB.


Also, when updating, is the Bryston DB automatically updated along, or do we need to issue an extra command for that.


After one clicks reset DB a message states the DB is rebuilt on the next load. I take it that means after the next reboot? And is it correct it doesn't reboot automatically after clicking it? Just as after clicking clear Cache? Please consider issuing a bit more feedback on those commands, so we know what is expected, and what is happening (if anything at all)


Sorry for this, but i feel a good understanding of this system, is very helpful in using the BDP/MM.


Cheers Marius


btw i have another miracle here: My NAS apparently resides on 2 different IP addresses?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129673)


I'll do something about the buttons, but the lastfm settings are directly related to mpd, they allow mpd to report the music your listening to, to your last fm account.  Next time you login, lastfm will make recommendations based on what you've listened to.

Reset DB , found in media player is related to the Bryston DB and the Bryston DB is only used by media player.  Clear cache, resets the mpd cache used to save the database between reboots and used by all mpd clients; hence why it's found in mpd settings.  They are seperate and only need to be used under certain circumstances. 

Reset DB would be used if the artist or sorts are out of date and an auto update wasn't triggered.  Clearing the cache should only be used if the mpd database is either crashing while being built or isn't removing or adding songs it should be.

Crossfade allows the song that's ending to cross fade with the next song, if the value is set to 0 the feature is disabled, if you enter five it'll use a cross fade of 5 seconds.

I'm not sure why the BDP is generating cross fade.jpg or the other one which file name escapes me at the moment and havn't spent much time researching it other then it's not the Bryston DB creating them... Atleast relatively sure it isn't

If you want cover art in the artist view, yes, write permission is required
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 14 Oct 2015, 11:26 am
Something I noticed last night was two files created called bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg being created in my album directories with the songs. Look like the BDP is creating it's own album files from the ones I already have. In some cases there is a 3rd file called bryston_db_disable.jpg

What's the purpose of each of these files?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 14 Oct 2015, 01:07 pm
Hi Chris I wanted to get your thoughts on the following behavior. I think it might be tag related but I'm not seeing what it would be that needs changed. I'm going to show an album I have in 3 formats, CD (flac 44.1/16), high res (flac 96/24) and mp3. I have the song number tags setup the same for all 3 but yet the Artist view is showing the mp3 number differently. The actual file naming is a bit different though but that's just for the CD.

CD (01 Joe Satriani - Premonition.flac)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129679)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129680)

High Res (01 Premonition.flac)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129681)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129682)

MP3 (01 Premonition.mp3)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129683)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129684)


Interestingly I just literally noticed that there is a specific Album Artist tag (I can't believe I never noticed that before) so I suspect that is going to explain why some albums aren't showing up in Default view when I click the Album Artist folder. As you can see the high res file does not have this tag.  :duh:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Oct 2015, 01:30 pm
Forget about that USB feed from the Nas. It gives a ridiculous amount of distortion, like one hears the drives spinning. feeding the Chromecast Audio  from the Ac with the supplied adapter takes that out fortunately.


Cheers,
Marius


in my second system in the Gym ;)


usb power from the Synology Nas. Wifi from the Apple Airport Express next to it, and feeds into my Quad 44. All within a square meter, so distance cant be the issue...


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Oct 2015, 02:05 pm
BrystonDB doesn't require (shouldn't anyways) a reboot and is required for media player features that in some way sort your music (except for file folder structure).  When the BRyston DB feature is turned on it should rebuild each time the MPD database is updated.  That message is a bit outdated, originally it was the next time you loaded the artist view, now it just starts automatically (no reboot).  When the BDP isn't connected to a NAS in its config file it will look for reasons as to why it wasn't able to connect and one of things it does is it looks at the arp tables.  If the old arp entry is still there then it will also return the old address as well. 

bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg are taken from existing cover art and optimized for the media player interface.  The third, i can't remember why this file is made and havn't looked to closely at it either.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Oct 2015, 02:26 pm
OK that clears up some of the confusion on my side, thank you.,


Last serious issue i am experiencing right now is intermittent loss of the BDP on the network. I had the new db updated, and all seemed well, right now i cant find the BDP on the network anymore, and probably will have to reboot it manually on the frontpanel again.


Would it be an option to have some kind of 'keep alive'? So that if the BDP is not used for a longer period, it does not loose the connection? MPD watch does not help in this situation i think.


In fact, i just checked, and the BDP had become unresponsive again. pressing frontpanels was fruitless, it was dead, displaying MPD ready.
Also, after reboot, the USB-Mount was enabled again, disabling doesn't stick after reboot.


Chris, i suspect a relation with my NAS in hibernation. Ive had this issue before, but then also had my USB drives attached, so never suspected this. Right now i only use my nas, and if anything, it must be that causing the lockups.
Ive checked my Nas Logs and indeed they hibernated, and were  woken up again by my rebooted BDP.


Now of course i don't want the BDP to prevent the NAS from hibernating, but  Hibernation on the NAS should not be the reason for the BDP to lockup.



Marius


BrystonDB doesn't require (shouldn't anyways) a reboot and is required for media player features that in some way sort your music (except for file folder structure).  When the BRyston DB feature is turned on it should rebuild each time the MPD database is updated.  That message is a bit outdated, originally it was the next time you loaded the artist view, now it just starts automatically (no reboot).  When the BDP isn't connected to a NAS in its config file it will look for reasons as to why it wasn't able to connect and one of things it does is it looks at the arp tables.  If the old arp entry is still there then it will also return the old address as well. 

bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg are taken from existing cover art and optimized for the media player interface.  The third, i can't remember why this file is made and havn't looked to closely at it either.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Oct 2015, 07:17 am
I'll do something about the buttons, but the lastfm settings are directly related to mpd, they allow mpd to report the music your listening to, to your last fm account.  Next time you login, lastfm will make recommendations based on what you've listened to.


HI Chris, if you do so, please also take out the Save button form the Last.FM section. It saves all settings on this page and not only Last.FM.


You might consider an extra step of confirmation after clicking the Clear cache button. This is a very strong command, and not to be used lightly. Also, some extra explanation is needed. A bit like on the Services page where you explain what every services does. Clicking it merely selects the service, and then an extra button issues the command.


Extra confirmation and explanation should be on all 'heavy' commands like Update, reset DB and clear cache t name but 3 ;-)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 15 Oct 2015, 02:17 pm
Tidal playback appears to be broken in the last beta firmware (2.19 14-Oct-2015). I am unable to play or add songs to the queue. This behaviour started in the previous beta (Oct 12, I think). Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Oct 2015, 04:02 pm
Tidal playback appears to be broken in the last beta firmware (2.19 14-Oct-2015). I am unable to play or add songs to the queue. This behaviour started in the previous beta (Oct 12, I think). Any thoughts?

hasn't been touched, listening to the tidal ten new tracks right now. 

please place your bdp into service mode and email me the service id.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 15 Oct 2015, 04:33 pm
Thanks Chris! I'll do this tonight after work.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 16 Oct 2015, 01:00 am
BDP in Service Mode, Chris.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Oct 2015, 11:57 am
HI Chris,


Some things NAS related :


- after adding a share, and the Ready is displayed in the blue top window-frame, Home and Next are displayed. Next shouldn't really be there, since it does nothing but confuse the user... Home is really the button NAS-setup, and not Home as used elsewhere in MM (Mediaplayer, root folder) so also a bit confusing.


- having two (or more) shares, one can click them and click Edit. All details appear below. clicking either of the shares, doesn't change the info shown. Could you make the details follow the selected share above?
Also the Next button is shown here, what does it do? I clicked it accidentally, did not change any info, and it still accepted the click, and the BDP beeped as in rebooting. Why, It shouldn't do if nothing has changed.
Does editing the Share info require a reboot?

Did you have a change to look at the possible locking of the BDP on hibernation of a NAS i reported?


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Oct 2015, 12:06 pm
HI Chris,
On the latest beta 20151014 and 1012:

would you consider developing the Speaker-test into anything along the lines of http://onlinetonegenerator.com/ and http://onlinetonegenerator.com/frequency-sweep-generator.html? Would make it fuller audio setup test.

Cheers,
Marius



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Oct 2015, 02:10 pm
HI Chris,
On the latest beta 20151014 and 1012:

where can we find the Library Doctor?

on the UX:
Clicking reboot doesn't give the restarting in xxx seconds like after updating. It merely shows the same page which is then unresponsive (since it is rebooting....) Maybe change that please?

Cheers,
Marius

http://<bdp ip address>/libraryDoctor.php

be cautious when using this app, its still in rather early development
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Oct 2015, 02:21 pm
thanks,
i see, working but awe-inspiring...




Ill leave it for now ;-)
Marius


http://<bdp ip address>/libraryDoctor.php

be cautious when using this app, its still in rather early development
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 16 Oct 2015, 04:34 pm
Chris, or anyone one familiar with how the BDP-2 deals with tag information, in the pics I posted on the other page any ideas why my mp3 album is displaying the song numbers as 1/11, 2/11, 3/11, etc in Artist View where both my flac albums are nicely displaying as just 1, 2, 3, etc.? As you can see the Track tags for all 3 are identical, using the 1/11, 2/11, 3/11, etc. format. It would seem for the mp3 album this is being shown as is but the 2 flac albums are stripping the /11 off. This is the only instance of this in my library i.e. all my Joe Satriani mp3 albums. I have some other mp3 albums with the tag setup the same way but they also strip the /11 off. I'm assuming it's the Track tag being used here but maybe that's not the case and there's more to it. I carefully sized my tag window screenshots so you could see all the tag information for each album.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Oct 2015, 09:33 am
HI Chris,


after 2 weeks of experiencing connection issues and other configuration problems to the brink of not being able to play the BDP at all, i can happily state im back on track playing my music.
Ive disabled the Bryston DB, reset it, cleared cache ea. Guess i have to wait for the BDP2/3 with bigger capacity library to use the BrystonDB.


I also experienced that Chrome somehow is a much better browser for MM than Safari....


MM does state a DB crash was detected, how could this be?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129834)


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129835)


What ever might be the cause, Arturo is high blowing like never before  :thumb:
Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rocket on 17 Oct 2015, 10:28 am
Hi Marius,
 
Just curious how large is your music library?  Seems like you have lots of problems with the Bryston BDP. 

Cheers Rod
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Oct 2015, 01:25 pm
Chris, or anyone one familiar with how the BDP-2 deals with tag information, in the pics I posted on the other page any ideas why my mp3 album is displaying the song numbers as 1/11, 2/11, 3/11, etc in Artist View where both my flac albums are nicely displaying as just 1, 2, 3, etc.? As you can see the Track tags for all 3 are identical, using the 1/11, 2/11, 3/11, etc. format. It would seem for the mp3 album this is being shown as is but the 2 flac albums are stripping the /11 off. This is the only instance of this in my library i.e. all my Joe Satriani mp3 albums. I have some other mp3 albums with the tag setup the same way but they also strip the /11 off. I'm assuming it's the Track tag being used here but maybe that's not the case and there's more to it. I carefully sized my tag window screenshots so you could see all the tag information for each album.

It's likley picking this numbering up in the track number tag, if you start playing a song the BDP will list the tag data in song info.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Oct 2015, 01:33 pm
HI Chris,


after 2 weeks of experiencing connection issues and other configuration problems to the brink of not being able to play the BDP at all, i can happily state im back on track playing my music.
Ive disabled the Bryston DB, reset it, cleared cache ea. Guess i have to wait for the BDP2/3 with bigger capacity library to use the BrystonDB.


I also experienced that Chrome somehow is a much better browser for MM than Safari....


MM does state a DB crash was detected, how could this be?


What ever might be the cause, Arturo is high blowing like never before  :thumb:
Thanks,
Marius

Turning off the Bryston DB doesn't delete old logs, although in this case it should remove some of these (I never thought people would be turning the feature on and off).  I think with a library your size (excess of 150,000 songs last checked) you really would need the beefier BDP2 for the Bryston DB to work.  I've been experimenting with saving the database directly to internal storage on a BDP-1, but a library of 28,000 songs goes from 5 minutes to 22 minutes to build.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 17 Oct 2015, 02:46 pm
It's likley picking this numbering up in the track number tag, if you start playing a song the BDP will list the tag data in song info.

But why then is it doing it in this fashion only for the mp3 albums and not any other albums? Is there something different about mp3's because my track number tags are created the same for every album's song I have. That's thousands of them and this seems to be isolated to these mp3's.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Oct 2015, 03:30 pm
HI ,


I think so too, im saving for it, hope to reach it before you'e making the bdp3.. That being said, i did have the Bryston db built up to 58 %..


Honestly, i did experience the same issues with only one drive attached, and without having shared the extra MP3 drive on my Nas, which mainly doubles many of my Flac files on the usb drives, and is there only for backup and testing the difference in sound quality between the same recordings, albeit ripped to Mp3 vs flac.


So besides library size, i think other issues are at hand, though im not sure which they are. Maybe you could test on this forum to see which customers have their Bryston Db working, and check their library sizes. Give us an estimate of the BDP capabilities, be it 1 or 2.


Cheers,
Marius


Ps Rod, im mostly fully enjoying my BDP1, but since im a beta-MM 'tester', i do like to do that thoroughly and assist Chris to his and our advantage. Ive asked before if this shouldn't be in another thread on AC, but it wasn't moved.


Turning off the Bryston DB doesn't delete old logs, although in this case it should remove some of these (I never thought people would be turning the feature on and off).  I think with a library your size (excess of 150,000 songs last checked) you really would need the beefier BDP2 for the Bryston DB to work.  I've been experimenting with saving the database directly to internal storage on a BDP-1, but a library of 28,000 songs goes from 5 minutes to 22 minutes to build.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Oct 2015, 03:44 pm
But why then is it doing it in this fashion only for the mp3 albums and not any other albums? Is there something different about mp3's because my track number tags are created the same for every album's song I have. That's thousands of them and this seems to be isolated to these mp3's.

Perhaps you should check if this is the case before asking more questions
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 17 Oct 2015, 05:16 pm
Perhaps you should check if this is the case before asking more questions

It is, that's what I've been getting at all along, perhaps I just wasn't clear, sorry. I have 15 Joe Satriani mp3 albums and 1 Nirvana mp3 album that all show up in Artist View and all display as #/#. I have a 2nd Nirvana mp3 album along with a Black Sabbath mp3 album but those aren't showing at all in Artist view, I can't figure out why but that's another issue. I also have a couple Joe Satriani albums in wav format which are behaving the same as the mp3 track numbers but I figure if I can find out what's going on with the mp3's I'll be able to do the same with the wav albums.

On the flip side I have a few hundred CD rips to flac in the #/# track number tag format and they are consistent in displaying just the single track # in Artist View.

I guess at the end of the day it doesn't matter which is right and which is wrong I would just like to understand the behavior so I can make things consistent without having to enter the track # tags differently for some songs vs others. This type of thing drives me nuts :)

Here are more examples. It's obviously impractical to post pics of all songs so I am just showing the 1st song for each of the 4 albums.

mp3 Albums
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129848)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129849)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129850)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129851)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129852)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129853)

flac albums - high res 96/24 files
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129854)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129855)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129856)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129857)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129858)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129859)


Nirvana mp3
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129860)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129861)

Random other flac album selection, CD rip
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129874)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129875)

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Oct 2015, 12:32 am
Please see page 10 of the manic moose manual

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf#page10

Blasting this thread with screen capture of dbpoweramp isn't going to help resolve this
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Oct 2015, 12:36 am
HI Chris,
On the latest beta 20151014 and 1012:

would you consider developing the Speaker-test into anything along the lines of http://onlinetonegenerator.com/ and http://onlinetonegenerator.com/frequency-sweep-generator.html? Would make it fuller audio setup test.

Cheers,
Marius

I may add a sweep, but it was develop more for testing our own gear then anything else
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Oct 2015, 12:44 am
HI ,


I think so too, im saving for it, hope to reach it before you'e making the bdp3.. That being said, i did have the Bryston db built up to 58 %..


Honestly, i did experience the same issues with only one drive attached, and without having shared the extra MP3 drive on my Nas, which mainly doubles many of my Flac files on the usb drives, and is there only for backup and testing the difference in sound quality between the same recordings, albeit ripped to Mp3 vs flac.


So besides library size, i think other issues are at hand, though im not sure which they are. Maybe you could test on this forum to see which customers have their Bryston Db working, and check their library sizes. Give us an estimate of the BDP capabilities, be it 1 or 2.


Cheers,
Marius


Ps Rod, im mostly fully enjoying my BDP1, but since im a beta-MM 'tester', i do like to do that thoroughly and assist Chris to his and our advantage. Ive asked before if this shouldn't be in another thread on AC, but it wasn't moved.


WEll that very well could be, but even if you chopped your library(of 150,000 songs) in half it would still be to large for a BDP-1.  I recent customer (BDP-1USB) with a library of about 28,000 songs tried it and failed, it seemed to get a little further each time.  He was using a drive formatted as ntfs, basically the worse format to use as its so CPU intensive.  I tested my 28,000 song library on a bdp-1 under the same circumstances and it came through fine.  The development of the librarydoctor was needed to reset my library back to stock.  What it comes down to is we don't have the same files, it leads to this type of issue.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rocket on 18 Oct 2015, 01:10 am
Hi Chris,

I can now understand why some members are having problems.  I only have about 100 audiophile standard recordings on my USB hard drive.  Btw what type of formatting do you recommend with a USB hard drive?

Cheers Rod
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Oct 2015, 01:13 am
Hi Chris,

I can now understand why some members are having problems.  I only have about 100 audiophile standard recordings on my USB hard drive.  Btw what type of formatting do you recommend with a USB hard drive?

Cheers Rod

FAT32 is the most universal and easiest to use and recommended, but the best from a pure performance point is to use ext (native Linux filesystem). 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 18 Oct 2015, 03:22 am
Please see page 10 of the manic moose manual

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf#page10

Blasting this thread with screen capture of dbpoweramp isn't going to help resolve this

Chris you appear to be completely missing why I'm posting. You seem to now be implying I'm being as ass or difficult at this point with my posts. I'm simply trying to find out why I'm seeing different behaviour. Overriding the values seen via MM doesn't tell me anything about why it's happening in the 1st place, that's side stepping the issue. I could just as easily remove the /# formatting by right clicking the actual files and editing the tag data that way.

Is it a MM software problem, is there more to tag data then meets the eye i.e. is this data perhaps saved differently in the registry than one sees in the GUI tag editor, etc. etc. I'm a software developer and I like to understand software inconsistencies like this. When 1 + 1 doesn't always equal 2, there is a logical reason why that's the case.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Oct 2015, 02:00 pm
HI Chris,
Sure, i think it's a great tool to have.
I've been experimenting with the online generator, just for doing what you say, testing the gear, more specifically the 10bsub.
Having the tools directly on the BDP would be even better, since i now had to play the generator over shairplay, and notice the delay of about one second, mentioned elsewhere on AC. Having it straight out of the BDP would make it even more precise, and valid for testing purposes.


Just saying that if you're going to implement it, it would be appreciated a lot.


Love the way you widen the use of the BDP. Kudos for that! Never stop thinking ahead.


Marius


I may add a sweep, but it was develop more for testing our own gear then anything else
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Oct 2015, 03:33 pm
Hi Chris,


Having been playing around lately with the various configurations with and without USB drives attached to the BDP, made we wish for software (de-)selectable usb drives. Would that in anyway be possible, or are the 4 usb (BDP1) receptacles not individually programmable?


At the moment we have to physically de- and/or attach the drives to be able to test various configurations, building the DB, updating etc etc.

If possible, maybe add as an advanced option in the services menu under USB mount?
If not, well, no bad, gives us another couple of extra calories to burn ;)

Cheers,
Marius



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Oct 2015, 10:03 pm
Currently you can use disk information to Unmount a drive, but upon reboot the drive would be mounted again. 

Do you want the BDP to not mount certain drives or drive plugged into certain ports?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Oct 2015, 10:05 pm
is there more to tag data then meets the eye

No, it displays it as it reads it, that was the point I was trying to confirm
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Oct 2015, 05:18 am
Currently you can use disk information to Unmount a drive, but upon reboot the drive would be mounted again. 

Do you want the BDP to not mount certain drives or drive plugged into certain ports?


yes please, if at all possible.
it would need to stick after reboot indeed, (so the unmount per Disk Information isn't what im looking for) in order to try and test clearing and building the Bryston DB with selected drives.


Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 19 Oct 2015, 10:58 am
No, it displays it as it reads it, that was the point I was trying to confirm

OK thanks. As an experiment I opened up Windows Media Player which is somethng I haven't done in ages. I was checking out how it presented the album/song information on my NAS and it always displayed just the track number and never as #/# for all those mp3 albums I mentioned. It was also able to see the albums which MM isn't picking up at all in Artist View (MM does see them in Default view when browsing by folder). I don't know if this is an apples to apples comparison though (WMP vs MM) so not sure if anything can be concluded from it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 20 Oct 2015, 01:02 am
 The creation of Playlists works well if the edits are saved in MM.  The only wish I have is to archive the playlists.  Have not tried to SSH into the BDP to see if I can find the Playlists.

 This is a quote from my rather dense self  :duh:.  While in Windows Explorer I noticed a folder named "user".  I believe at one time it was named "root", but not sure about that.  Anyway the name "root" scares me.  On the other hand the name "user", ( that's me ), is more....well....user friendly.  So I opened it and found a folder named "Playlists".  Wow! look there are all the M3U playlists created on MPad and MM.  Now I can archive them even though it's probably not necessary.  Might be fun to edit one and drop it into the "Playlists" folder then see if the edit takes.
 Sometimes I'm a bit slow to the finish line.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Oct 2015, 09:31 am
Hi Chris,


Is there a way to get 'album art' on our playlists/radiostreams?


Ive saved several online radiostations as a playlist, (station).m3u file, and would love a station-logo to show, instead of the generic Bryston logo


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=130106)


something like on Tunein:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=130107)


Cheers,
Marius


 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Oct 2015, 10:06 am
HI Chris,


In the User folder on the BDP,  fsck0000.rec and fsck0001.rec are found. are they to be deleted, or recovered ?


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Oct 2015, 06:17 pm
HI Chris,


In the User folder on the BDP,  fsck0000.rec and fsck0001.rec are found. are they to be deleted, or recovered ?


Cheers,
Marius

they should get delete upon the next startup, are they persistent between reboots?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Oct 2015, 06:28 pm
they should get delete upon the next startup, are they persistent between reboots?

Believe so, Yes
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Oct 2015, 06:30 pm
The creation of Playlists works well if the edits are saved in MM.  The only wish I have is to archive the playlists.  Have not tried to SSH into the BDP to see if I can find the Playlists.

 This is a quote from my rather dense self  :duh:.  While in Windows Explorer I noticed a folder named "user".  I believe at one time it was named "root", but not sure about that.  Anyway the name "root" scares me.  On the other hand the name "user", ( that's me ), is more....well....user friendly.  So I opened it and found a folder named "Playlists".  Wow! look there are all the M3U playlists created on MPad and MM.  Now I can archive them even though it's probably not necessary.  Might be fun to edit one and drop it into the "Playlists" folder then see if the edit takes.
 Sometimes I'm a bit slow to the finish line.

no worries, there was a network share called root that would take you to the root of the filesystem.  That feature still exists, we call it enabling developer mode, the idea is to provide an easy way for web designers to hack away at the folder containing the web content.  Because BDP deploys a live filesystem, changing the web contents (/var/www) would be undone after a reboot.  Some users expressed a wish to manually edit playlists, mainly to add custom radio stations.  Rather then just share the playlists folder I thought I would share the folder that contains settings that are user changeable, hence the share name "user".  in addition to editing, saving, restoring playlists one can also edit mpdconf.set, this allows users to edit single line settings for the MPD config file and have them persist after a reboot.  A user can also create a file called "mpd.conf.append", anything in this file will be added to the end of the MPD config file.  The idea is to give the BDP more flexibility without relying on us, you still need to be somewhat knowledgeable but far from understanding how to recompile our firmware.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Oct 2015, 06:33 pm
Believe so, Yes
Marius

I miss read, i thought you were referring to /lib/live/mount/medium.  I havn't implemented any filesystem check cleanup in the user folder yet.  How large are the files?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Oct 2015, 06:41 pm
I miss read, i thought you were referring to /lib/live/mount/medium.  I havn't implemented any filesystem check cleanup in the user folder yet.  How large are the files?
both 4kb

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 21 Oct 2015, 06:56 pm
Can anyone tell me how to get the artists view setting in the media player to populate with metadata?  I have read the manic moose manual from front to back without being able to make this happen.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Oct 2015, 11:58 pm
Can anyone tell me how to get the artists view setting in the media player to populate with metadata?  I have read the manic moose manual from front to back without being able to make this happen.

What version of the firmware are you running?  Also how many songs in your library and are using a BDP-1 or 2?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 22 Oct 2015, 01:08 am
S2.05 2014-07-11
Bdp-1
638 songs
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 22 Oct 2015, 11:26 am
S2.05 2014-07-11
Bdp-1
638 songs

Well the first thing you'll want to do is upgrade the firmware to s2.18, we just revamped the feature.  Nice s2.18 is installed there will be a new option in media player settings (the gear in media player), labeled Bryston DB enable, turn this on, click save and then rebuild DB.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 22 Oct 2015, 04:40 pm
Keep getting "filesystem cherck failed: md5 value missing file system check failed md5 value missing."
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 23 Oct 2015, 03:06 pm
can't upgrade firmware, can't activate service mode, can't use bRadio, flashing media player screen...this is very frustrating and time consuming...sorry to complain but Manic Moose has been a total pain so far.  what to do? :cry:  I think the thing to do is have Bryston send me a memory card with the latest firmware upgrade of Manic Moose installed. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Jozsef on 23 Oct 2015, 10:45 pm
On my BDP2 with S2.18 using the default view, most times when I click BACK near the upper right, the page scrolls up so that the BACK button is at the very top. I would prefer that this didn't happen and also wonder if there is a particular browser or OS I can use for the ideal experience? (I find that the album art is sized differently depending on the browser, smallest rendering being with Vivaldi which I know is pre-release so no criticism there.)

On the topic of album art, the re-proportioning of any rectangular image into a square is a big aesthetic problem, admittedly not an everyday occurrence but common enough. I like Manic Moose better than standalone MPD clients I've seen so I hope this will be changed.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 24 Oct 2015, 04:14 am
can't upgrade firmware, can't activate service mode, can't use bRadio, flashing media player screen...this is very frustrating and time consuming...sorry to complain but Manic Moose has been a total pain so far.  what to do? :cry:  I think the thing to do is have Bryston send me a memory card with the latest firmware upgrade of Manic Moose installed.

You should email Mike and ask him to do just that.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Oct 2015, 03:38 pm
HI Chris,


Thanks for adding the recently added feature to the playlists, like i suggested.


Unfortunately, it doesn't work as i had thought it would. Clicking the recently added, adds all tracks to the playlist  :duh: :duh:  Of course it does.... but i was looking for a way to browse the recently added tracks/albums instead of playlisting them.


Is there anyway you could realize that, like in Plex for example? It shows the latest albums on the frontpage/dashboard, lets you scroll through them, and of course click and play them.


Also, is it possible to have MM automatically add albums when they're added to the drive? I know one can enable the auto update on reboot, but that requires a reboot obviously and scan the whole library. While i am looking for a selective auto update of just the recently added files.


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 27 Oct 2015, 03:50 pm
I am still hoping for a reply to the postings and emails I have sent over the last several days that may finally correct the problems I have been having trying to update firmware with Manic Moose. :cry:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Oct 2015, 03:56 pm
I am still hoping for a reply to the postings and emails I have sent over the last several days that may finally correct the problems I have been having trying to update firmware with Manic Moose. :cry:


I take it you can play music with MPD?
 or is the bdp 'bricked' in which case you'd need to reinstall the firmware on the internal card. Is rather easy to do actually, and described on this forum. If it is not bricked, you could also try to restate factory settings. If that won't go from within MM, you can also do that from the front panel.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 27 Oct 2015, 04:04 pm
Marius,
     Thank you for your prompt response.  Manic Moose S2.05 will play however it is in capable of updating firmware to 2.18 via the web interface.  In fact the unit seems like it will not respond to any commands properly via the web interface.  if it does respond it does so very very very slowly.  I have had several suggestions regarding what to do from Unincognito and Chris all to no avail.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Oct 2015, 04:07 pm
Marius,
     Thank you for your prompt response.  Manic Moose S2.05 will play however it is in capable of updating firmware to 2.18 via the web interface.  In fact the unit seems like it will not respond to any commands properly via the web interface.  if it does respond it does so very very very slowly.  I have had several suggestions regarding what to do with Unincognito and Chris all to no avail.


I recognize the slow response time, i always reboot then and things speed up. You did try that didn't you...? Also, only recently did i notice that on my Macs, Chrome seems to be better for MM than Safari. Try that if your on a mac would you?


do this first, then see if things get better.


Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 27 Oct 2015, 04:12 pm
Will do.  Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 28 Oct 2015, 02:40 pm
Marius,
     To keep you updated, I was successful updating MM yesterday doing nothing different than I had done on 50 previous attempts.  No problems, no hassle this time.  I' m wondering if the problem was on the Bryston server end.  I suppose I will never know.  Anyway thanks for you encouragement.  By the way, the update is a huge improvement over 2.05.  I would encourage anyone to give it a try
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 28 Oct 2015, 02:56 pm
good for you!
now start enjoying your BDP to the max.


Cheers,
Marius





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Marius,
     To keep you updated, I was successful updating MM yesterday doing nothing different than I had done on 50 previous attempts.  No problems, no hassle this time.  I' m wondering if the problem was on the Bryston server end.  I suppose I will never know.  Anyway thanks for you encouragement.  By the way, the update is a huge improvement over 2.05.  I would encourage anyone to give it a try
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: TJ-Sully on 29 Oct 2015, 02:32 am
hi folks (or chris),

any suggestions how i fix this red stuff??


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=130665)

cheers,TJ

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Oct 2015, 03:36 am
hi folks (or chris),

any suggestions how i fix this red stuff??


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=130665)

cheers,TJ

You have a media player setting turned on, show missing files and folders from mpd database.  More info can be found in the manic moose manual.

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Oct 2015, 08:03 am
You have a media player setting turned on, show missing files and folders from mpd database.  More info can be found in the manic moose manual.

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf (http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf)


HI TJ,


you can get rid of a lot of these files, so called Apple files and its orphan files, by using Blue Harvest http://www.zeroonetwenty.com/blueharvest/ (http://www.zeroonetwenty.com/blueharvest/) on your usb drives. Won't take out the red files that should be there but aren't indexed by MM (like album art etc) but takes out all the other garbage.




 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=130674)


if you want to do an extreme cleanup use Tinkertool System http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerToolSys2.html (http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerToolSys2.html)


Both are small and cheap, and extremely useful (caution: powerful) apps.




Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: TJ-Sully on 30 Oct 2015, 03:23 am
thanks chris. i turned off the 'show missing files' option and it worked.
as marius suggests, looks like i need to do some 'cleaning' of my external hard drive...hummmmm  :scratch:

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 30 Oct 2015, 05:57 pm
Chris/James, may I ask you for your unvarnished opinion on UPnP?

Thanks in advance. Andre
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: afblaster on 30 Oct 2015, 06:19 pm
All this faffing about just to be able listen to music!

I have just demo'd an Aurender X100L, 6TB internal storage and a brilliant iPad app to control it, and it works perfectly.  Goodbye BDP-2,  I'm off.....
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: TJ-Sully on 3 Nov 2015, 04:10 am
yes blaster, but it's all about the sound.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: afblaster on 3 Nov 2015, 05:40 pm
Yes TJ-Sully, obviously it's all about the sound, I wouldn't have bought it if it didn't sound better.....

I demoed an Aurender for ten days against my BDP-2, and the Aurender consistently produced much the better sound, by quite some margin.
It has USB out only, but even so against the AES/EBU connected BDP-2, the Aurender was still better.
A big bonus is the iPad Conductor App which works perfectly, displays album covers and includes Tidal and an easy-to-use search function.
On top of that it has 6TB of internal disk, plus the ability to stream from a NAS if required.

I have been using Bryston for 15 years and I originally bought a BDP-1 shortly after it was announced. I then upgraded to BDP-2 when that was released, mainly because the BDP-1 was so slow, unreliable and frustrating to use.
Sad to say the day to day operational experience with the second player hasn't been that great, but it's the lack of a properly sorted App, with no expectation of there ever being one
that finally made me look elsewhere.

I am a big fan of Bryston, I've had eight power amps, two preamp/processors and two dacs since 2000, and currently have a SP3, 2 x 7B-SST2 and a 9B-SST into PMC IB2i and DB1 speakers.
I'm very frustrated and disappointed that Bryston haven't got their act together with the firmware and an App for their player - their competitors have.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rupret on 3 Nov 2015, 05:51 pm
I agree with afblaster and am in the same boat.

I'm Bryston fan and use their amps for my home theater and 2 channel stereo but when it came to upgrading my BDP-1 BDA-1 combo I didn't even consider going to the BDP-2 because of the state of the software.  I went instead to a Lumin S1 and now I have a player that boots in 15 seconds, songs start at the beginning, I can edit existing playlists, sort the library every which way, everything is quick.  It's a joy to have a nice app.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 3 Nov 2015, 06:13 pm
+1  I’m still using the BDP-1 but the software is, to say the least, not up to current standards. MPD does not sound bad, but some streaming solutions are sounding at least that good. For the moment I’m experimenting with Roon software froom Roonlabs on the BDP-1, which is and sounds fabulous. I’m hoping Bryston will integrate Roonlabs protocol ’RoonSpeakers’ in the software from the BDP’s. It would end the indefinite search for  good software for the BDP’s .  YES, Bryston  keeps bringing new soft and Beta’s but it is just,....  :duh:  Just use it as a streamer with Roon. :thumb:
I ’m also a big Bryston-fan with (BP26, MPS2, BCD-1, BDA-2, 3B-SST2 and BDP-1) but the very good sounding BDP-1 is a nightmare on a software level. It’s like using DOS as an OS on a PC nowadays,... it works, but  :scratch:
Sorry Bryston, but I’m also looking to abandon ship for a decent streaming solution.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 3 Nov 2015, 08:30 pm
afblaster:
 The control point app I use is MPAD which seems to work very well.  The album art is 100% displayed, the playlist creation works well, finding music by Artist, Album or folder is easy and it never crashes.  Do you use this app and if so what makes the Aurender app better?

 Certainly the MPAD app is not in the same league with iPeng & Squeezebox, but that ship has sailed.  The Android app, MPDroid for Music Player Daemon, is useless which probably alienates some BDP owners.

 Concerning your analysis of the SQ differences, can you describe what you hear that makes the Aurender better?  Did you have the Bryston IAD installed in the BDP at that time?  Which AES cable and USB cable were employed?
   Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: StigO on 4 Nov 2015, 07:24 pm
+1 for an integrated app with Tidal support. Use Mpad at the moment but no Tidal integration... Roon looks like the way to go, others brands moves in that direction.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Nov 2015, 07:39 pm
+1 for an integrated app with Tidal support. Use Mpad at the moment but no Tidal integration... Roon looks like the way to go, others brands moves in that direction.

Yes Roon has a BDP-2 now and are working on it.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Nov 2015, 07:56 pm
not to mention we already have tidal integrated into our firmware.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 4 Nov 2015, 08:01 pm
Yes Roon has a BDP-2 now and are working on it.

james

james that is amazing news..thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Wim J on 5 Nov 2015, 08:17 am
Yes Roon has a BDP-2 now and are working on it.

james

  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: StigO on 5 Nov 2015, 05:54 pm
Very good news! Please keep us updated  :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 5 Nov 2015, 07:54 pm
Quote
BETA
S2.19 2015-11-04
MPD
Software Volume control
This is interesting change in philosophy for Bryston
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Nov 2015, 08:00 pm
its off by default and over the coarse of the last few years we have been working on controlling preamps by way of serial and ip, we are finally beginning to incorporate the work into the mainstream portion of the firmware
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 5 Nov 2015, 08:46 pm
Is off and well hidden :)
I looked for it in MPD and in Media Player Settings and could not find it, except some crossfade option
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: werd on 5 Nov 2015, 10:42 pm
+1  I’m still using the BDP-1 but the software is, to say the least, not up to current standards. MPD does not sound bad, but some streaming solutions are sounding at least that good. For the moment I’m experimenting with Roon software froom Roonlabs on the BDP-1, which is and sounds fabulous. I’m hoping Bryston will integrate Roonlabs protocol ’RoonSpeakers’ in the software from the BDP’s. It would end the indefinite search for  good software for the BDP’s .  YES, Bryston  keeps bringing new soft and Beta’s but it is just,....  :duh:  Just use it as a streamer with Roon. :thumb:
I ’m also a big Bryston-fan with (BP26, MPS2, BCD-1, BDA-2, 3B-SST2 and BDP-1) but the very good sounding BDP-1 is a nightmare on a software level. It’s like using DOS as an OS on a PC nowadays,... it works, but  :scratch:
Sorry Bryston, but I’m also looking to abandon ship for a decent streaming solution.

BDPs function is to bring Hi res off a HD or USB stick.  You are re inventing it. Which is fine because I think using it as a streamer is good. But does Tidal do Hi Res? No, It is not even comparable and the red book off files is better than streaming Flac from Tidal. You really do not want to start streaming Hi Res even in Flac ( if it exists) Shaw and Sasktel are already getting butt hurt over data usage and I'm sure it's the same with your provider.  BDPs are hi Res players and streaming is an afterthought. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Nov 2015, 12:33 am
Is off and well hidden :)
I looked for it in MPD and in Media Player Settings and could not find it, except some crossfade option

Currently it only supports software volume control and the slider can't be dragged yet and must clicked on it.

If you want to try it out connect to the BDP's network share USER and edit the file mpd.set, don't use Microsoft notepad.  Add the line below to the file to enable

volume;software

To disable, change it to

volume;none

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: TJ-Sully on 6 Nov 2015, 03:12 am
hey blaster. thanks for the info on the X100....it looks like an interesting unit and the internal storage capacity is a real bonus. although my BDP-1 will remain in my system for a long while (i'm a happy camper), it would be fun to compare sonic differences of various high quality digital players.  enjoy.  you're PMC's must sound awesome with the 9B. lucky.
later, sully.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 14 Nov 2015, 05:23 pm
Any chance of an alphabetic dropdown for a quick selection on the Tidal app play list
like there is on the MPD menu on a future upgrade?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Nov 2015, 11:11 pm
Any chance of an alphabetic dropdown for a quick selection on the Tidal app play list
like there is on the MPD menu on a future upgrade?

I guess I could add that, but there is a search feature
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Nov 2015, 10:00 am
Hi Chris,


to make updating the firmware a bit more convenient, could you add a 'current firmware version ' to the window on the update firmware page? I know current version is stated on the system page, but obviously it requires clicking and reloading the update page, which sometimes takes quite a while to load. Combining these on the Update page is just that bit more user-friendly.
Especially for the beta testers, for whom the update icon doesn't light-up blue whenever an update is available.

Cheers,
Marius 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 22 Nov 2015, 04:14 pm
Sorry to say that MM continues to be frustratingly glitchy to the extent it detracts from the listening experience.  This is not what I expected when I purchased my bdp.  :x 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Robert D on 22 Nov 2015, 10:48 pm
Sorry to say that MM continues to be frustratingly glitchy to the extent it detracts from the listening experience.  This is not what I expected when I purchased my bdp.  :x

Can it be that you external drive is defective
I had a Seagate 2 terabyte dive that was causing all kinds of skipping and whatever else problems
At that time I made sure to have a backup of all my music files...
Suggestion .... Replace your thumb drive or hard drive and listen with your ears
Good Luck 
Regards Robert
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 22 Nov 2015, 10:55 pm
Sorry to say that MM continues to be frustratingly glitchy to the extent it detracts from the listening experience.  This is not what I expected when I purchased my bdp.  :x

Now that you have the firmware upgraded what issues are you experiencing? And can you place the BDP into service mode?

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 23 Nov 2015, 02:42 pm
Now that you have the firmware upgraded what issues are you experiencing? And can you place the BDP into service mode?

Cheers
Chris
When should I place the unit into service mode?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 23 Nov 2015, 04:09 pm
Unit placed into service mode.service ID sent in PM.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 25 Nov 2015, 07:19 pm
Chris

I wondered where things were with the various CD memory play options on the BDP2?  Are they explained anywhere?

I use a Plextor  BD drive rather than a BOT. The "play" option works OK, but in the main I have not been able to get  the other options under "previous" or "next" to work, they usually  start off OK but don't  get to the point of replay and no folder is visible in media player.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pearlcfam on 25 Nov 2015, 10:13 pm
Chris - For a BDP-2 in regards to maximum playlist length do you have a number higher than the default of 300 that you can recommend before we might experience problems? Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Nov 2015, 11:34 pm
Hi Chris,


to make updating the firmware a bit more convenient, could you add a 'current firmware version ' to the window on the update firmware page? I know current version is stated on the system page, but obviously it requires clicking and reloading the update page, which sometimes takes quite a while to load. Combining these on the Update page is just that bit more user-friendly.
Especially for the beta testers, for whom the update icon doesn't light-up blue whenever an update is available.

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

We have recently started building a new support page, it's still pretty early in its development; however it currently does contain features requested.

http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware

You can look up and read about current firmware releases (stable and testing) and it will show the firmware currently installed on your BDP and the current stable release.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Nov 2015, 11:37 pm
Chris

I wondered where things were with the various CD memory play options on the BDP2?  Are they explained anywhere?

I use a Plextor  BD drive rather than a BOT. The "play" option works OK, but in the main I have not been able to get  the other options under "previous" or "next" to work, they usually  start off OK but don't  get to the point of replay and no folder is visible in media player.
What was the last firmware revision that you tested with, bearing in mind these additional playback methods are still in development.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Nov 2015, 11:40 pm
Chris - For a BDP-2 in regards to maximum playlist length do you have a number higher than the default of 300 that you can recommend before we might experience problems? Thanks

Thats pretty well determined by the device your using, 300 songs assumes an iPad 2 (not to be confused with a iPad Air 2).  I would increase it to thousand, reboot, make sure the setting took and see if there is any noticeable slow down when maxing out the playlist.  Keep increasing it by a thousand  until the UI becomes to slow.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pearlcfam on 26 Nov 2015, 02:37 am
Thanks Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 Nov 2015, 07:25 am
HI Chris,

looking promising! only gripe: yet another interface we have to load separately. Will you build this into MM? It would really be very nice to have it all available in one click/view/interface.
btw, is the stable release developed further than the beta right now? version numbers seem to be incorrect?

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132446) my beta (or so i think it is) MM is showing  (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132447)
my BDP won't upgrade at all at the moment, is anything happening on the server side maybe?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132445)


Cheers,
Marius


Hi Marius,

We have recently started building a new support page, it's still pretty early in its development; however it currently does contain features requested.

http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware (http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware)

You can look up and read about current firmware releases (stable and testing) and it will show the firmware currently installed on your BDP and the current stable release.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Nov 2015, 07:08 pm
Its a web site that you can check rather then waiting for the BDP to load the same readme file and its location is never changing
 
I just tested it and it appears to be working, try just rebooting your BDP, if its still fails try power cycling the BDP again and your router/modem.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 26 Nov 2015, 07:11 pm
What was the last firmware revision that you tested with, bearing in mind these additional playback methods are still in development.

Hi Chris, last tried with S2.20 2015-11-19

Regards

David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Nov 2015, 07:57 am
Hi Chris,


Did my request to streamline the 'Back, Dashboard and Mediaplayer' buttons ever reach you?


Please consider always displaying both Dashboard (left) and Mediaplayer (right), as you do on the virtual frontpanel page (see enclosed pic). With the obvious exception of the Dashboard and Mediaplayer pages themselves.


Also, 'Back' could always be replaced by Dashboard, thus simplifying the interface even further.


Above would make the interface faster (one doesn't need to go back to the dashboard anymore to load Mediaplayer from within the settings tabs, since the button Mediaplayer would always be there) and Back wouldn't be necessary, Dashboard will do better (and be more exact, since it goes back to Dashboard...) and take out the confusion it might cause on some pages, where Back isn;t as clear as it could be when called Dashboard ;)
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132522)
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132523) 


on the VFP: as shown it doesn't fully reflect what is shown on the real front panel, which is wider and contains more characters, could you please correct that? Ive used this VFP often for testing purposes, checking the BDP. It would be most helpful if it correctly shows what is displayed on the real frontpanel.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132525)


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Nov 2015, 08:06 am
ok update went fine now, im on release firmware, not beta anymore. (release 2.20 is developed further than beta 2.19??)


new support firmware page http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware (http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware) doesn't work on mobile wireless network?


still, it would be very helpful to display the currently installed firmware on the update window, and thus displaying them both in 1 window, not having to leave that window for either checking, or updating.


just show current installed version: MM 2.xx xxx in the blue window title for example, or something like that?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132524)


Cheers,
Marius






Its a web site that you can check rather then waiting for the BDP to load the same readme file and its location is never changing
 
I just tested it and it appears to be working, try just rebooting your BDP, if its still fails try power cycling the BDP again and your router/modem.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 28 Nov 2015, 04:36 am
Chris,

I just loaded the latest firmware, S2.20 2015-11-20, onto my BDP-2.  There appears to be a couple of issues with this release.
Also, I have a question about the new volume control feature.
Thank you
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 28 Nov 2015, 08:58 am
Is Tidal messed up for anyone else? Every time I touched a control button (play, pause, skip, etc), the screen flashed cyan and nothing happened. I was able to verify songs were in the queue, but I couldn't get anything to play.

Tried two android devices with the most recent version of Chrome. My trusty Sonos got Tidal to work just fine though.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Tezza009 on 28 Nov 2015, 11:16 am
I have just upgraded to MM and the latest firmware on my BDP-1 - all good. My HiRez ALAC files now play fine for the first time.

TIDAL is very slow to the point of being unuseable - is this the experience of others?

Also, is there an easy way to search for radio stations on bRadio - I am looking for Radio Paradise and cannot find it.

Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 28 Nov 2015, 06:12 pm
Chris,

I just loaded the latest firmware, S2.20 2015-11-20, onto my BDP-2.  There appears to be a couple of issues with this release.
  • When I go to Disk Information, it does not list my internal 256GB SSD.  It used to list it in the last stable release.  I am able to access the drive in the MPD player and play files off of it.
  • When I go to Update Firmware, it only shows, "Loading..."  It does not matter how long I wait.  It does not show the latest available firmware for updating.
Also, I have a question about the new volume control feature.
  • The pulldown menu shows None, Software, and SP3 (my BDP-2 is connected to an SP3 via AES).  What does the SP3 option do?
Thank you

Update:  It turns out that the issues I listed are due to using Safari as the browser.  When I switched to Chrome, it worked well.  The more I tried to use Safari, the more I realized that it is not functioning correctly.  For example, on the Dashboard, it shows, Found SP3.  However, the button is unresponsive and it is missing the logo of the SP3 that appears when I use Chrome.

I hope you find this feedback helpful.  Also, when you have a moment, I am interested in what the SP3 volume control is for.

Thank you
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Nov 2015, 04:46 pm
Are you using safari on a Mac or PC?

It allows you to control the pre-amp section of the sp3 from the media player app.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Nov 2015, 05:04 pm
I have just upgraded to MM and the latest firmware on my BDP-1 - all good. My HiRez ALAC files now play fine for the first time.

TIDAL is very slow to the point of being unuseable - is this the experience of others?

Also, is there an easy way to search for radio stations on bRadio - I am looking for Radio Paradise and cannot find it.

Thanks

I find it to be pretty snappy, but yes it is slower in the BDP-1 and the BDP-1 won't reliably play lossless.  The BDP-1 was never really designed with streaming in mind, we include it simply because we didn't want BDP-1 customers feeling like they were left out and forced to upgrade to BDP-2's.  We have taken the time to make some additional efforts to make playback more reliable with the BDP-1.  About the only thing I could suggest, if you are going to use a BDP-1 and tidal is to reboot the unit before listening.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 30 Nov 2015, 07:46 pm
Are you using safari on a Mac or PC?

Latest version of Safari on Mac

It allows you to control the pre-amp section of the sp3 from the media player app.

For my clarification, the SP3 volume control leaves the output "normal" on the BDP-2 and sends a remote signal via the network connection to the SP3 to adjust the volume using the SP3's analogue section (i.e., no digital volume control is being used), correct?

Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 1 Dec 2015, 12:01 am

For my clarification, the SP3 volume control leaves the output "normal" on the BDP-2 and sends a remote signal via the network connection to the SP3 to adjust the volume using the SP3's analogue section (i.e., no digital volume control is being used), correct?


Correct
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Tezza009 on 1 Dec 2015, 10:00 am
Thanks Chris

Any suggestions on how to find radio stations (e.g. radio paradise) easily in bRadio?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pearlcfam on 1 Dec 2015, 07:39 pm
H, if you click or press the down arrow next to genre select a genre and then next to that dialog there is another down arrow for sub genre make a selection there and then a list should populate below from there I usually just scan for the highest bitrates or most listeners
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: hipp on 2 Dec 2015, 03:56 am
I have used the BDP-1 right from  inception, then the BDP-2 and now added the soundcard. I find the BDP-2 to be an an outstanding product, particularly with the newer soundcard.
The integration of TIDAL is excellent and sounds amazing using the Bryston BDP-2 to stream the tracks.

However why oh why is Bryston not offering a state of the art app, instead of continuing with the browser based MM?
Mpad is very easy to use but when I see what is available from other product suppliers I wonder why Bryston is not developing or has not yet developed a user friendly app for ios and android.
The BDP-1 was a trendsetter, a streaming device ahead of the pack when it was released, and although the sound quality and general product quality of the  BDP-2 is still a quality trendsetter, the app type user interface is sorely lacking.
Is there something to look forward to in the NEAR future?

Hopeful
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Tezza009 on 2 Dec 2015, 11:46 am
Perhaps pay a few bucks to the developers of mPad to produce a "bryston" version
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Dec 2015, 12:05 pm
Hi hipp

Than you for your kind comments on the quality of sound with the BDP products - that was my my goal with this product and admittedly the original idea and feature set has exploded way beyond my original intentions.

The problem with APPS is you now have to develop an app for all possible devices (MAC and Android - tablets and smart phones - computers etc.) whereas 'Web Socket' based technology just requires access to a browser to work - at no cost to our customer for a specialized app.

Initially 'Web Sockets' being a new technology was slow and clunky but that is changing rapidly - just try Manic Moose with the new IPAD or IPHONE 6 and you will see it is lighting fast.

Hope this helps explain our position and i am sure Chris will add his thoughts as well.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Tezza009 on 2 Dec 2015, 01:33 pm
Hi Pearlcfam

I have used the arrows but for the life of me I cannot find where radio paradise is.

This is my favourite radio station - can any one tell me where it is in bRadio?

Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Dec 2015, 01:49 pm
Hi Pearlcfam

I have used the arrows but for the life of me I cannot find where radio paradise is.

This is my favourite radio station - can any one tell me where it is in bRadio?

Thanks

Hi

Go to ROCK then ALL ROCK STATIONS  - then scroll down - then click on + sign and let it turn Blue.  It will then be in your list of stations when you click on BRADIO going forward.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132836)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132837)

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Tezza009 on 2 Dec 2015, 01:55 pm
Thanks James

I don't see Rock on my scroll down box. It stops at electronic.

I am using Safari. I have tried arrow keys etc but it won't scroll down


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Tezza009 on 2 Dec 2015, 02:06 pm
Found it! Needed to click up arrow before I could scroll down . Thanks

Now just need to get Tidal working which is very slow
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Dec 2015, 07:11 pm
instead of scrolling , I always use cmd-F....
just a quick way of finding the desired stuff..


cheers,
Marius



Hi

Go to ROCK then ALL ROCK STATIONS  - then scroll down - then click on + sign and let it turn Blue.  It will than be in your list of stations when you click on BRADIO going forward.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132836)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132837)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 Dec 2015, 03:24 pm
the app type user interface is sorely lacking.

care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 3 Dec 2015, 04:21 pm
care to elaborate?
Or don't. One of the many beautiful things about the BDPs is that you can use them with a very broad range of third party software controllers. Windows desktops and portables have a sleek and free app called Chimney. iThings can use mPoD or mPaD. Android has a very nice one called MPDroid.

Or, you can get outside of the MPD realm altogether with a BDP and use it as a UPnP device. Android's bubbleUPnP might be one of the most fully featured controllers available. If you are into JRiver, you can use the DLNA renderer function of the BDP to route audio that way. Or, if you just want to take the easy way out, turn on Shairplay and use the airplay function of your mac or iOS device to stream music directly from your handheld to the BDP.

If you learned digital audio from the school of Squeezebox, turn on the squeezebox emulator in the BDP and use the ole trusty logitech media server on a host computer.

I know of no other high end digital audio player that offers so many ways to get music in and out with so many control possibilities. If you hate our interface or simply can't make sense out of it, don't force yourself into misery. Pick a different way of making it play and you still get to appreciate all the high end sound quality engineering improvements our BDP has over other units.

Happy listening! :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Dec 2015, 04:26 pm
Great post Gary, thanks for the wrap-up.


One thing: to get the highest of res, i thought one had to use the MPD?
Seem to recall that Chris mentioned the other services don't support the 24bit part, let alone up to 192khz.


Cheers,
Marius


 
Or don't. One of the many beautiful things about the BDPs is that you can use them with a very broad range of third party software controllers. Windows desktops and portables have a sleek and free app called Chimney. iThings can use mPoD or mPaD. Android has a very nice one called MPDroid.

Or, you can get outside of the MPD realm altogether with a BDP and use it as a UPnP device. Android's bubbleUPnP might be one of the most fully featured controllers available. If you are into JRiver, you can use the DLNA renderer function of the BDP to route audio that way. Or, if you just want to take the easy way out, turn on Shairplay and use the airplay function of your mac or iOS device to stream music directly from your handheld to the BDP.

If you learned digital audio from the school of Squeezebox, turn on the squeezebox emulator in the BDP and use the ole trusty logitech media server on a host computer.

I know of no other high end digital audio player that offers so many ways to get music in and out with so many control possibilities. If you hate our interface or simply can't make sense out of it, don't force yourself into misery. Pick a different way of making it play and you still get to appreciate all the high end sound quality engineering improvements our BDP has over other units.

Happy listening! :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 3 Dec 2015, 05:05 pm
I'm certain that DLNA is bitperfect lossless provided that your controller and server are setup to not transcode. As a quick sanity test, I am streaming a 192/24 file with foobar2000 as the server and bubbleupnp as the controller at this moment. I haven't used Squeeze in a while, but I recall it being capable of bit perfect playback as well. Airplay is supposedly bitperfect at 44.1/16 but it has clocking issues (among others) that hinder the sound quality somewhat. That being said, I can definitely hear an improvement when comparing an airport express and BDP in shairplay mode when both are being fed to the BDA-2.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Dec 2015, 06:08 pm
I'm certain that DLNA is bitperfect lossless provided that your controller and server are setup to not transcode. As a quick sanity test, I am streaming a 192/24 file with foobar2000 as the server and bubbleupnp as the controller at this moment. I haven't used Squeeze in a while, but I recall it being capable of bit perfect playback as well. Airplay is supposedly bitperfect at 44.1/16 but it has clocking issues (among others) that hinder the sound quality somewhat. That being said, I can definitely hear an improvement when comparing an airport express and BDP in shairplay mode when both are being fed to the BDA-2.

Thx Gary,

I'll check the transcode setting. It might also have to do with the server power. My Synology has issues playing movies now and then again , maybe hires audio shouldn't be an issue.

Still confuses sometimes , using 3 machines instead of 2... The bdp being the middleman.

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 3 Dec 2015, 07:05 pm
I'm certain that DLNA is bitperfect lossless provided that your controller and server are setup to not transcode. As a quick sanity test, I am streaming a 192/24 file with foobar2000 as the server and bubbleupnp as the controller at this moment. I haven't used Squeeze in a while, but I recall it being capable of bit perfect playback as well. Airplay is supposedly bitperfect at 44.1/16 but it has clocking issues (among others) that hinder the sound quality somewhat. That being said, I can definitely hear an improvement when comparing an airport express and BDP in shairplay mode when both are being fed to the BDA-2.
I would say that squeezelite instance provided by MM will never output  bit perfect audio because it is not configured to use any valid audio device - so it uses default ALSA output and goes through software mixer. Good news are that startup script allows to run squeezelite with any valid configuration settings - but this requires Linux scripting skills of course. I'm also a bit sceptical about DLNA capabilities of BDP - gMediaRender is buggy and outdated project. Did you ever measure its output for bit perfectness and jitter?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 Dec 2015, 07:22 pm
I would say that squeezelite instance provided by MM will never output  bit perfect audio because it is not configured to use any valid audio device - so it uses default ALSA output and goes through software mixer. Good news are that startup script allows to run squeezelite with any valid configuration settings - but this requires Linux scripting skills of course. I'm also a bit sceptical about DLNA capabilities of BDP - gMediaRender is buggy and outdated project. Did you ever measure its output for bit perfectness and jitter?

You can't get any more direct then ALSA unless you write software (not a script) to interface with the hardware directly
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Dec 2015, 07:37 pm
HI Chris,


Which means in terms of bit perfect hires audio..?
MPD is to be preferred? Since it is the only dedicated software for the hardware on the BDOP itself , the other options are software renderers?


Cheers,
Marius






 
You can't get any more direct then ALSA unless you write software (not a script) to interface with the hardware directly
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 3 Dec 2015, 07:53 pm
UPnP isn't always bit perfect right out of the box. It depends a lot on your server setup and even options in the client. UPnP is also a giant standard that is implemented piecemeal by everyone. One of the many reasons we decided to focus on MPD with the BDP is that there are inherent instabilities with UPnP, but it's quite possible to setup a stable UPnP environment with the BDP. I've gone days and weeks with DLNA renderer on as the primary playback method with no trouble. I still use it as a quick and easy way to stream content directly from my Android phone to the BDP regularly.

No, we haven't and do not intend to measure the output quality of every offered service. To fully develop and maintain each of them would require a much larger engineering investment in a single branch of our product line than would make sense.

MPD is and shall remain our primary focus until Chris and the rest of the Bryston team decide to seek a better solution. However, we will actively maintain the other services with an appropriate amount of resource allocation. That Bryston even offers these as viable alternatives to our main intended use case is a major benefit to the small minority of users to whom it matters. I don't know of any other commercially available comparable unit that can satisfy the variety of use cases that can be addressed with the BDP. Hopefully among all the available control options, you can find one that suits you.

Let me know specifically what issues you have with the BDP and I'll be happy to try and help you work through them. We want all of our customers to be glad they own Bryston.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Dec 2015, 08:00 pm
Not sure whether your addressing my post here, i didn't have real issues, was just responding to an earlier post in the thread.


But since you ask: it would be wonderful to be able to distantly operate our BDP, and read/write files to it, update the software etc etc. Ive asked Chris before, not sure its on the todo list though ;)


Bryston  can reach our Bdp's in service mode, i must be possible for us owners to do the same?


Agree 100% with your post though, and certainly glad to own a (full) Bryston (setup)  :thumb:


Cheers,
Marius






UPnP isn't always bit perfect right out of the box. It depends a lot on your server setup and even options in the client. UPnP is also a giant standard that is implemented piecemeal by everyone. One of the many reasons we decided to focus on MPD with the BDP is that there are inherent instabilities with UPnP, but it's quite possible to setup a stable UPnP environment with the BDP. I've gone days and weeks with DLNA renderer on as the primary playback method with no trouble. I still use it as a quick and easy way to stream content directly from my Android phone to the BDP regularly.

No, we haven't and do not intend to measure the output quality of every offered service. To fully develop and maintain each of them would require a much larger engineering investment in a single branch of our product line than would make sense.

MPD is and shall remain our primary focus until Chris and the rest of the Bryston team decide to seek a better solution. However, we will actively maintain the other services with an appropriate amount of resource allocation. That Bryston even offers these as viable alternatives to our main intended use case is a major benefit to the small minority of users to whom it matters. I don't know of any other commercially available comparable unit that can satisfy the variety of use cases that can be addressed with the BDP. Hopefully among all the available control options, you can find one that suits you.

Let me know specifically what issues you have with the BDP and I'll be happy to try and help you work through them. We want all of our customers to be glad they own Bryston.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gdayton on 3 Dec 2015, 08:22 pm
Sorry Marius, I meant it for vkylushnikov as well. I should have been more clear.

Remote operation would be fun - especially for starting up some music while my wife is asleep in bed and I'm traveling  :lol:
You can use BubbleUPnP server to share your BDP's library to the internet which would make it possible to access your music remotely. You can configure transcoding and so forth that way as well.

At my house, I host my library on an NAS (a home-rolled version built with otherwise obsolete computers) and let other interested machines access it locally or over the internet. On the LAN, I let 2 BDPs access it as well as a tablet computer my daughter uses.

I also run subsonic (www.subsonic.org) so I can access my library remotely. Besides library access, what remote features would you like on the BDP that you couldn't get by setting up a VPN on your router or on an always-on computer on your LAN?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Dec 2015, 08:34 pm
No worries, just made sure i wasn't missing out on your question.


I also have my library backed-up/copied om my NAS, which i can reach remotely without issues. Dedicated Synology apps make that possible among others.


Made me want to reach the drives attached to the BDP in the same way. Also it would be nice to be able to update the settings/firmware remotely, since often things take a while to finish (updating databases, creating Artist view images etc etc)


Even better would be to send commands to the BDP, and play the files on whatever handheld you're holding. Of course thats something else, but Chris hinted he'd be checking on that some time. Imagine sitting behind your laptop, firing up MM (locally and remotely) and play the music on your laptop (replace laptop with Mobile phone/ PC/ tablet or what have you) I now use Plex for that playing the files on my NAS. Hope Plex can be an inspiration for the further development of MM.




just some of the things that would be really wonderful.


You say i can do some of these things already, setting up a VPN on my router. I'm not sure how that would enable me to reach my BDP just yet, maybe you could clarify a bit more? Of course i would love to be able to do al this from within MM, and not have to rely on yet another third party. Lets keep things simple as possible.


Cheers,
Marius


Sorry Marius, I meant it for vkylushnikov as well. I should have been more clear.

Remote operation would be fun - especially for starting up some music while my wife is asleep in bed and I'm traveling  :lol:
You can use BubbleUPnP server to share your BDP's library to the internet which would make it possible to access your music remotely. You can configure transcoding and so forth that way as well.

At my house, I host my library on an NAS (a home-rolled version built with otherwise obsolete computers) and let other interested machines access it locally or over the internet. On the LAN, I let 2 BDPs access it as well as a tablet computer my daughter uses.

I also run subsonic (www.subsonic.org (http://www.subsonic.org)) so I can access my library remotely. Besides library access, what remote features would you like on the BDP that you couldn't get by setting up a VPN on your router or on an always-on computer on your LAN?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 3 Dec 2015, 08:48 pm
You can't get any more direct then ALSA unless you write software (not a script) to interface with the hardware directly
Chris, I don't quite understand your message. What I mean is that running squeezelite in bitperfect mode requires passing in command line ALSA device name with hw: prefix. Without it player uses so called ALSA default output - and audio goes through additional software mixer level so it is never considered bitperfect. It is very easy to verify even by ears - sound is quiet and flat.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 3 Dec 2015, 10:54 pm
I get the value of a web-based interface. It saves programming time. And the BDP interface is light years ahead of what it was when initially released.

The present interface works just fine on my desktop and I have no problems. I WOULD prefer that when I hover over an icon with my mouse, I get a pop-up window telling me what the icon will do. Unfortunately, the BDP interface seems unoptimized for cell-phone size use. Even on my tablet, I get problems when I overscroll or zoom the page and run into a blue background. That's one advantage of writing a specific app and creating your own graphics.

Perhaps a mobile vs desktop web version would be a good solution?

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: hipp on 4 Dec 2015, 03:25 am
Thanks Gary for that info. I don't have the techno to operate the BDP without the Mpad or MM. So my post was not to knock MM, but to see why a Bryston ios App was not forthcoming. James kindly responded with the reason, and it is noted.
Care to elaborate? Well I could compare the use of Mpad to MM with for example simply looking for a random song to play within my entire collection in alphabetical sequence, but I feel that I can just use the Mpad, although I am really trying to work with the MM. Maybe I don't have a full understanding of its operation. (My artwork for example on MM appears on only about 50% of the albums, and not on individual tracks and sometimes the album artwork shown when playing the track is different to the artwork when I look at the album). But MM also has some nice features that are not available on Mpad. Its really the sound that counts to me and the upgraded BDP-2 is, to my ears anyway, quite brilliant. I will continue to learn and work with MM as it it evolves.
Thank You
Howard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 4 Dec 2015, 10:30 am
I get the value of a web-based interface. It saves programming time. And the BDP interface is light years ahead of what it was when initially released.

The present interface works just fine on my desktop and I have no problems. I WOULD prefer that when I hover over an icon with my mouse, I get a pop-up window telling me what the icon will do. Unfortunately, the BDP interface seems unoptimized for cell-phone size use. Even on my tablet, I get problems when I overscroll or zoom the page and run into a blue background. That's one advantage of writing a specific app and creating your own graphics.

Perhaps a mobile vs desktop web version would be a good solution?

- Garrett
This is what I talked about some times ago. Native IOS apps provide much better user experience then web UI - I cannot even compare MM with JRemote or IPeng 9.  Unfortunately I feel that Bryston is unable to develop some sophisticated mobile app - simply because they are not software development company and have limited resources for this.  Solution is to provide more choice for third party controllers. MPD ecosystem is not very popular between third party app developers but I see a great alternative - Logitech Media Server and Squeezelite. LMS provides enormous number of functionality, very strong album database and great choice of mobile controller apps such as IPeng 9. This solution is a base for several great audio Linux distributives such as Daphile and Vortexbox  and already used in some well-known hi-end servers. I already experimenting with running this staff from BDP startup script, seems that BDP-2 has enough processor power to run both server and player locally. Hope Chris and Gary will pay attention to this direction in future because more choice is great for customers and should be great for Bryston.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Dec 2015, 11:14 am
whether dedicated app or web sockets, i think James, Chris and Gary stated their viewpoint in this extensively by now. As much as id love an app, sockets work fine most of the time, MM needs some ironing out here and there, esthetically and functionally, then again Mpad has its quirks too...


What i don't understand as of yet is how eg Ipeng, mentioned by vklyushnikov, has all the services included for a mere 9 dollars, while Bryston can't/won't add most of these like Tunein, Qobuz, Spotify, and the likes. I feel that flexibility is the biggest leap between other software products and the current MM, integration to services, we now have to stream from our mobile devices to shairplay (with its inherent loss of quality) instead of direct login from within the MM software.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132951) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132952)  (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132953) 
Even the very modest Cantata app has some of these:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132954)

Hope this could be an extra effort on Brystons behalf.
Thanks for the continuing progress being made!


Cheers,
Marius


 
This is what I talked about some times ago. Native IOS apps provide much better user experience then web UI - I cannot even compare MM with JRemote or IPeng 9.  Unfortunately I feel that Bryston is unable to develop some sophisticated mobile app - simply because they are not software development company and have limited resources for this.  Solution is to provide more choice for third party controllers. MPD ecosystem is not very popular between third party app developers but I see a great alternative - Logitech Media Server and Squeezelite. LMS provides enormous number of functionality, very strong album database and great choice of mobile controller apps such as IPeng 9. This solution is a base for several great audio Linux distributives such as Daphile and Vortexbox  and already used in some well-known hi-end servers. I already experimenting with running this staff from BDP startup script, seems that BDP-2 has enough processor power to run both server and player locally. Hope Chris and Gary will pay attention to this direction in future because more choice is great for customers and should be great for Bryston.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Dec 2015, 02:49 pm
Chris, I don't quite understand your message. What I mean is that running squeezelite in bitperfect mode requires passing in command line ALSA device name with hw: prefix. Without it player uses so called ALSA default output - and audio goes through additional software mixer level so it is never considered bitperfect. It is very easy to verify even by ears - sound is quiet and flat.

Thats not true, if you look at the alsamixer, the default audio device is just the first listed audio device and you have the same advantages/disadvantages if you specified an individual output device.  Even if I did specify an individual hardware device in the command, it wouldn't sound any better or worse then selecting "use the default".
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Dec 2015, 02:50 pm
whether dedicated app or web sockets, i think James, Chris and Gary stated their viewpoint in this extensively by now. As much as id love an app, sockets work fine most of the time, MM needs some ironing out here and there, esthetically and functionally, then again Mpad has its quirks too...


What i don't understand as of yet is how eg Ipeng, mentioned by vklyushnikov, has all the services included for a mere 9 dollars, while Bryston can't/won't add most of these like Tunein, Qobuz, Spotify, and the likes. I feel that flexibility is the biggest leap between other software products and the current MM, integration to services, we now have to stream from our mobile devices to shairplay (with its inherent loss of quality) instead of direct login from within the MM software.


Hope this could be an extra effort on Brystons behalf.
Thanks for the continuing progress being made!


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

thanks for the suggestions
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Dec 2015, 02:53 pm
Thanks Gary for that info. I don't have the techno to operate the BDP without the Mpad or MM. So my post was not to knock MM, but to see why a Bryston ios App was not forthcoming. James kindly responded with the reason, and it is noted.
Care to elaborate? Well I could compare the use of Mpad to MM with for example simply looking for a random song to play within my entire collection in alphabetical sequence, but I feel that I can just use the Mpad, although I am really trying to work with the MM. Maybe I don't have a full understanding of its operation. (My artwork for example on MM appears on only about 50% of the albums, and not on individual tracks and sometimes the album artwork shown when playing the track is different to the artwork when I look at the album). But MM also has some nice features that are not available on Mpad. Its really the sound that counts to me and the upgraded BDP-2 is, to my ears anyway, quite brilliant. I will continue to learn and work with MM as it it evolves.
Thank You
Howard

So you'd like us to provide a way to narrow a search down to a single song and continue improving cover art support?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 4 Dec 2015, 03:11 pm
Thats not true, if you look at the alsamixer, the default audio device is just the first listed audio device and you have the same advantages/disadvantages if you specified an individual output device.  Even if I did specify an individual hardware device in the command, it wouldn't sound any better or worse then selecting "use the default".

Chris, believe or not but it really sounds bad with default output and I don't think that this is something special  for my BDP2 - it has latest version of firmware :) You can always check by yourself. You are correct - it uses first listed device but includes software mixer into signal path - seems that this is a cause of reduced volume. But I don't mind very much about this - because I start my own instance of squeezelite 1.8 in startup script - with correct output device and other settings. And there are some more serious issues with squeezelite on BDP2 - it sounds worse under root and better under 'bryston' user. Don't understand why - because it uses realtime thread priority under root and should sound better with it in theory.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Dec 2015, 03:25 pm
December 2015

Hi Folks,

We have made a lot of improvements in the ‘WEB’ based ‘Manic Moose’ interface which comes pre-installed on the Bryston BDP Digital Players.

Please see the attached – my thanks to Gary for putting this together.

James Tanner




Rarely do all people agree on the quality of a particular user interface. Reference the great Windows vs. Macintosh debate for an excellent example.

Of the many features that set audiophile music players apart are the equal number of unique user interfaces that are designed for each player. Most players require a proprietary interface designed along with the hardware. Regardless of the merits the hardware brings, many players live or die by how well you relate to their user interface.

Though there are certainly some universally accepted standards included in everyone's definition of a quality UI (such as stability and speed), most people judge UI quality in terms of intuitiveness, attractiveness, and feature access. Each of these criteria can only be judged by an individual.

When Bryston designed Manic Moose, we knew we wanted to stick with a web-based UI.

Everybody who's a potential BDP owner has devices with web browsers ranging from desktops computers, laptops, iOS, Windows, and Android portables. By having a web based UI, we avoided a serious pitfall—
requiring a user to purchase a device to control the BDP. Furthermore, we avoided the ever changing whim of operating system programmers which often requires re-writes of programs with every major OS revision.

Bryston's BDP lets you use whatever device you're already comfortable with to control it.
We spent over a year developing the new UI for Manic Moose before we ever released beta versions into the wild, and have been making continuous improvements since it's introduction in 2014 based not only on our own usage patterns but the copious detailed feedback obtained from our customers on forums, phone calls, e-mails and customer support sessions. At this point, we are very proud of Manic Moose and its ease of use, feature set, stability, and more.

Yet, some people never warmed up to it just like others haven't warmed up to the software provided by any number of other audiophile companies. A huge advantage of Bryston BDP players which may well be unique to us is that you can use a vast array of other third party software to control your BDP by selectively enabling options in the Services menu. Many of these options may already be familiar to you.
In the BDP's default configuration of using MPD as the audio engine, you can use the excellent mPaD and mPoD apps for iPad and iPhone/iPod Touch respectively. Many BDP users have been using these since the early days of the BDP-1 at the end of the last decade and have enjoyed their units immensely.

Android offers many different MPD clients as well. Perhaps the best of them is MPDroid. A new player for Windows computers and handhelds is called Chimney. It is a beautiful player with superb usability. You can also configure the BDP to be used with the DLNA standard. The UPnP and DLNA universe is full of great control options. The BDP can independently act as a DLNA client, server and renderer meaning that whether you host your music library on a DLNA enabled NAS or even via locally connected hard drive, you can use software such as BubbleUPnP available on Android to play back your music. This app for Android is particuarly excellent in that it is intuitive, stable, and is feature rich.

Those of us who began our digital audio involvement with the early days of Squeezebox will be glad to see that the BDP can be configured as a Squeezebox emulator meaning that if you run Logitech Media Server (a free software) on your computer, you can use a variety of available Squeezebox control apps available on nearly all common operating systems.

If you remain steeped in the Apple Macintosh universe, you can even setup the BDP as an Airplay target using the "Shairplay" service. Doing so allows you to use the Apple Remote app, or even to stream audio directly from iOS devices to the BDP.
DLNA and Squeezebox can both play bit perfect high resolution audio, and Shairplay through a BDP still sounds better than an Apple TV or Airport Express.

As digital audio playback matures, we are all learning that music downloads are so much more than CD replacements. As our virtual libraries expand, we require user interfaces that match our individual ideals of easy and enjoyable. Though the BDP's built in Manic Moose UI has proven popular in the nearly 2 years since release, those who find it less than appealing should enjoy the excellent variety of other control options available.

Gary Dayton
Product Specialist
Bryston Ltd.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: blueheaven on 4 Dec 2015, 05:32 pm

Bump

I have a 9BSST-2-which I love- and I have just ordered a BDP-1 USB. I am replacing my seven year old Mac Mini with the BDP-1. All my Apple Lossless music is stored on a NAS and I plan to configure MM to access if from the NAS. I would like to import my iTunes playlists into MM. I know I can export them from iTunes as m3u but I can't find any information on the web or this forum about how to import them into MM. Is this possible? Any suggestions?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 4 Dec 2015, 09:20 pm
Hi James,

I agree that the BDP offers a rich set of options allowing to be controlled by a variety of control apps. The only trouble is that MPD if far ahead in terms of SQ. In my system, DLNA lacks acoustic weight and Squeezelite is only marginally better. I'm quite happy with MPaD, but having to switch to MM interface to access Tidal is a big inconvenience. Furthermore, having to make sure that the queue is empty and the inability to mix local tracks with the ones from Tidal in the same playlist just makes things worse. Not to mention that moment when trying to access artist discography, in Tidal, and the web page start flickering while loading images... Please don't get me wrong... I love my BDPs SQ with MPD... After all, it fully replaced a CDX-2, in my system...

Carmen
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Dec 2015, 09:51 pm
Hi James,

I agree that the BDP offers a rich set of options allowing to be controlled by a variety of control apps. The only trouble is that MPD if far ahead in terms of SQ. In my system, DLNA lacks acoustic weight and Squeezelite is only marginally better. I'm quite happy with MPaD, but having to switch to MM interface to access Tidal is a big inconvenience. Furthermore, having to make sure that the queue is empty and the inability to mix local tracks with the ones from Tidal in the same playlist just makes things worse. Not to mention that moment when trying to access artist discography, in Tidal, and the web page start flickering while loading images... Please don't get me wrong... I love my BDPs SQ with MPD... After all, it fully replaced a CDX-2, in my system...

Carmen

Hi Carmen

Yes I agree MPD is a world ahead when it comes to sound quality and that was the main focus of the original BDP-1.  I had no idea it would evolve into a product that made coffee in the morning - LOL  :wink:.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 6 Dec 2015, 06:59 pm
Hi James,

No need to be sarcastic... I am well aware, that over the years, the BDP range evolved into superb machines with plenty of playback options. All I'm trying to say is that a dedicated app would be beneficial and would, most likely, attract more potential buyers. Some people choose convenience over SQ...

Thanks,
Carmen.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Dec 2015, 07:38 pm
Hi James,

No need to be sarcastic... I am well aware, that over the years, the BDP range evolved into superb machines with plenty of playback options. All I'm trying to say is that a dedicated app would be beneficial and would, most likely, attract more potential buyers. Some people choose convenience over SQ...

Thanks,
Carmen.

I am not being sarcastic - I was making a joke ! - Gee's  :duh:

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 6 Dec 2015, 09:05 pm
Sorry James! Point taken!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Dec 2015, 09:08 pm
Sorry James! Point taken!

Yes my fault too - sometimes the innuendo gets lost in the written word  - next time I will use a 'smily'   :icon_lol:

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Dec 2015, 06:53 am
Hi Chris

Downloaded 2.21 and installed fine I think. Not sure though as system still displays 2.20.
Did it stick (and is this a glitch) or did the install fail somehow?

I did enable mpd 19.9 . Mpd state tracker still incompatible with BDP1?

Cheers
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Dec 2015, 01:34 pm
Hi Chris

Downloaded 2.21 and installed fine I think. Not sure though as system still displays 2.20.
Did it stick (and is this a glitch) or did the install fail somehow?

I did enable mpd 19.9 . Mpd state tracker still incompatible with BDP1?

Cheers
Marius

If you look at the build date code it should be 2015-12-08, it appears in my haste I forgot to increase the version value from S2.20 to S2.21.

The remember state relies on a feature only found in the BDP-2.  BDP-2 owners may notice that there units won't power off for 30 seconds after pushing the power button, it is the delay that the BDP-2 is given time to do shutdown tasks like save the current MPD state.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Dec 2015, 01:52 pm
correct. check, thanks.

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133209)


News link still won't work...

Marius




If you look at the build date code it should be 2015-12-08, it appears in my haste I forgot to increase the version value from S2.20 to S2.21.

The remember state relies on a feature only found in the BDP-2.  BDP-2 owners may notice that there units won't power off for 30 seconds after pushing the power button, it is the delay that the BDP-2 is given time to do shutdown tasks like save the current MPD state.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Dec 2015, 05:29 pm
correct. check, thanks.

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133209)


News link still won't work...

Marius

yah thats currently busted in 0.19.9 is selected, but will be fixed in tonight release
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 9 Dec 2015, 05:44 pm
I noticed the other night that the issue when you move away from the browser tab in iOS to look at other tabs or apps and come back the progress bar stopped at the point where you left and needed a page refesh to catch up to current track is now fixed. I'm not sure if that was an iOS bug fix in the latest update I applied or in the recent MM update. Either way it's nice to have this working properly again. The Artist View bug of not seeing all my albums is still there though. I have a Black Sabbath and Nirvana album both in mp3 format that Artist View does not recogonize. I have to browse by folder to see them. I suspect there must be something off with their metadata thus preventing them from being found in Artist View.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: lynniemagoo on 10 Dec 2015, 12:01 am
How many of you use SqueezeLite and LMS on your BDP's?

I have been using SqueezeLite with LMS and is the main reason I bought a BDP.  My library is over 80K tracks and the memory of both BDP1 and likely BDP2 will not suffice for a library of this size.  The only thing I would love to see is some sort of memory or flash storage that lets SqueezeLite persist the player name.  Whenever it reconnects to Logitech Media Server, I have to reset the user-friendly player name.

Other than that, I use BDP-1 and BDP-1 USB to a BDA-2 setup and could not be happier. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Dec 2015, 08:54 am
yah thats currently busted in 0.19.9 is selected, but will be fixed in tonight release


Bingo! Thanks Chris, this is a first on my BDP1  :thumb:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133266)


Might i suggest a minor change in displaying the order of the services on the Services tab? Nothing important, but just a cosmetic enhancement. Right now, it seems there's no real priority or hierarchy, or even alphabetical logic. Why don't you change it into:


MPD
Samba Server
USB Mount


Service Mode


DLNA Client
DLNA Renderer (Server)


Shairplay
Squeezeslave
Squeezelite


Orders/groups the services a bit more along their functional necessity. Basics, Service, Streaming industry standard, streaming extras.


Just a thought,
Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 10 Dec 2015, 10:10 am
How many of you use SqueezeLite and LMS on your BDP's?

I have been using SqueezeLite with LMS and is the main reason I bought a BDP.  My library is over 80K tracks and the memory of both BDP1 and likely BDP2 will not suffice for a library of this size.  The only thing I would love to see is some sort of memory or flash storage that lets SqueezeLite persist the player name.  Whenever it reconnects to Logitech Media Server, I have to reset the user-friendly player name.

Other than that, I use BDP-1 and BDP-1 USB to a BDA-2 setup and could not be happier.
Hi, I tried to use squeezelite as a replacement for MPD, but didn't get same sound quality. It is definitely bitperfect but plays with some unfocused soundstage - may be it has problems with timing on single core processor. If you still want to use it I suggest to study command line arguments and run it from MM startup script with any possible settings including player name. This gives you one more advantage -  you can use latest squeezelite version 1.8 while MM includes old one (1.5 or 1.6 - don't remember exactly).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Dec 2015, 10:52 pm
I noticed the other night that the issue when you move away from the browser tab in iOS to look at other tabs or apps and come back the progress bar stopped at the point where you left and needed a page refesh to catch up to current track is now fixed. I'm not sure if that was an iOS bug fix in the latest update I applied or in the recent MM update. Either way it's nice to have this working properly again. The Artist View bug of not seeing all my albums is still there though. I have a Black Sabbath and Nirvana album both in mp3 format that Artist View does not recogonize. I have to browse by folder to see them. I suspect there must be something off with their metadata thus preventing them from being found in Artist View.

Yah we made some changes regarding how the web interface handles disconnects, there were some bugs and are hopefully now fixed.  The artist view would be best if you placed the BDP into service mode and email me the service id.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Dec 2015, 10:58 pm
How many of you use SqueezeLite and LMS on your BDP's?

I have been using SqueezeLite with LMS and is the main reason I bought a BDP.  My library is over 80K tracks and the memory of both BDP1 and likely BDP2 will not suffice for a library of this size.  The only thing I would love to see is some sort of memory or flash storage that lets SqueezeLite persist the player name.  Whenever it reconnects to Logitech Media Server, I have to reset the user-friendly player name.

Other than that, I use BDP-1 and BDP-1 USB to a BDA-2 setup and could not be happier.

The next release will allow you to choose a hostname for the BDP that will be used as the friendly name for squeezelite
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 10 Dec 2015, 11:09 pm
What's the purpose of the Bryston db: Artist View v2 in the Settings area? I enabled it and a duplicate of my main directory showed up highlighted in red and when I drill to open it to see it's contents nothing happens.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Dec 2015, 12:43 am
What's the purpose of the Bryston db: Artist View v2 in the Settings area? I enabled it and a duplicate of my main directory showed up highlighted in red and when I drill to open it to see it's contents nothing happens.

The red is a seperate feature, show missing files and folders.  The artist v2 feature loads additional CSS options for the artist view.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 11 Dec 2015, 01:34 pm
Yah we made some changes regarding how the web interface handles disconnects, there were some bugs and are hopefully now fixed.  The artist view would be best if you placed the BDP into service mode and email me the service id.

Thanks Chris, I'm just seeing this now. Last night I actually went an manually added the tag data via MM for the 3 mp3 albums that weren't showing in Artist View. They show up now which is great. So it was tag data related, I guess that was quite obvious when none of the tag values were being pre-populated in the editor in MM other the the actual song name as seen in Widnows Explorer. I'm not sure what it is with those albums because all the tag data is displayed properly in Windows Media Player and in dbPoweramp's Tag editor. If you still want to take control of my player I could put it into service mode after I get home from work today. With me manually editing the tag info via MM though I wonder if that would have removed any evidence you might have been able to see as to the nature of the problem???
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Dec 2015, 09:58 pm
Hi Chris
We've discussed security issues before. Please let me get back to that once more. We talked about the mpd and Bryston part of security, but didn't really touch the 3rd party bit of the services. Last.fm, shairplay, squeeze and the dlna software MM is using, are you positive there are no security concerns or even backdoors there?


Who knows we which info is being sent to these services?


Hope you do ;-)
Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Dec 2015, 10:24 am
Hi Chris,


asked before: what does the 'Jump to currently playing song' do, and when? Can't seem to find the answer in the manual, nor in using the BDP....


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133650)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 18 Dec 2015, 06:35 pm
Marius:
 It jumps to the track being played in the playlist on the left.  Unchecked the playlist shows the first track and you have to scroll down to find the track being played.

   Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Dec 2015, 10:16 am
.. still don't get it im afraid... when does it 'jump'  :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:  it being the playlist itself is it? not the right panel folder browser.


sorry..


Marius


Marius:
 It jumps to the track being played in the playlist on the left.  Unchecked the playlist shows the first track and you have to scroll down to find the track being played.

   Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Dec 2015, 02:02 pm
.. still don't get it im afraid... when does it 'jump'  :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:  it being the playlist itself is it? not the right panel folder browser.


sorry..


Marius

Hi Marius

For example if you had a playlist of 100 songs and song 50 was playing it would be at the top of the playlist - then when song 51 plays it moves up to the top of the playlist.

james


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Dec 2015, 05:15 pm
...  :duh:


thanks James, tried it now and indeed i see...


Sorry for this.


What i was looking for was a jump on the right side, that's what really on my wishlist. Browsing and clicking a track to play, and then going back to the browsing window, same folder as the track being played, and going on from there. Now we have to go back to the root of the browsing folder every time the browing pane is left.


Maybe Chris can have a look at that too.


Cheers,
Marius






Hi Marius

For example if you had a playlist of 100 songs and song 50 was playing it would be at the top of the playlist - then when song 51 plays it moves up to the top of the playlist.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 20 Dec 2015, 05:08 pm
Chris:
 New MM feature request.
  Would it be possible to add some menu choices when the + sign is used to add to a playlist.  Maybe when you click on the + sign a box would open with the choices:  PlayClear and PlayPlay nextAdd to end. So when you wish to add an artist in alphabetic order to a saved playlist you would start the track just before your desired insert position and choose Play next. 8)

  Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 27 Dec 2015, 04:30 am
Marius:
 It jumps to the track being played in the playlist on the left.  Unchecked the playlist shows the first track and you have to scroll down to find the track being played.

   Rich

****************************************************************************

Hi Marius

For example if you had a playlist of 100 songs and song 50 was playing it would be at the top of the playlist - then when song 51 plays it moves up to the top of the playlist.

james

Thank you for asking about this feature, Marius.
I was about to ask about it myself, but had not explored it yet.

Done so, because I'm trying to solve two (2) puzzling issues before this one - in the meanwhile trying to think how to properly pose these questions.

Draft:
1- how do I make Artwork to show up in every Album or Playlist I make ... sometimes I see it, sometimes not.
Should I edit every graphic file to a fixed dimension, or should I rename it following some specific naming syntax ?
Already found the red-marked 44 and 250 .jpg and .png, but they don't always show up in the MPD 0.19.9 window.
 
Please see attached screenshot, below.

2- I need advice on how to properly Tag 1TB of .flac and .ape ... half of them are almost right.
.ape behaves far worse than .flac, I believe - not sure.

I have the box Enable Update at Start-up checked.

It does makes a difference whether you call someone «John Coltrane» _ or «Coltrane, John»  :o [ :lol: ]

Merry Christmas to everyone here :)
____________________________________*
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134100)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Dec 2015, 04:38 pm
****************************************************************************

Thank you for asking about this feature, Marius.
I was about to ask about it myself, but had not explored it yet.

Done so, because I'm trying to solve two (2) puzzling issues before this one - in the meanwhile trying to think how to properly pose these questions.

Draft:
1- how do I make Artwork to show up in every Album or Playlist I make ... sometimes I see it, sometimes not.
Should I edit every graphic file to a fixed dimension, or should I rename it following some specific naming syntax ?
....
Merry Christmas to everyone here :)
____________________________________*
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Hello,

There are some fixes regarding these two issues coming in the next firmware release(currently available in the most recent beta/testing build). 

The next release will replace MPD 0.19.9 with 0.19.12 that includes some fixes for reading tag data from ape files
We have made some improvements with getting and generating cover art
There is no need to make sure the resolute is ideal, the BDP generated its own version of the file, as you have seen
Also locating cover art
During this testing we also found that certain characters used in the file path will break cover art.  Most notably are back ticks (aka grave notes).  To get around this we may add another feature to the library doctor app to replace back ticks with under scores.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 27 Dec 2015, 05:42 pm
Hi Chris,

Any idea why, none of my WAV titles (including Album and Artist) are showing up in the Artist view? I'm on the latest beta firmware and I'm using dbPoweramp to generate the files.

Thanks,
C
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 27 Dec 2015, 10:44 pm
Hello,

There are some fixes regarding these two issues coming in the next firmware release(currently available in the most recent beta/testing build). 

The next release will replace MPD 0.19.9 with 0.19.12 that includes some fixes for reading tag data from ape files
We have made some improvements with getting and generating cover art
There is no need to make sure the resolute is ideal, the BDP generated its own version of the file, as you have seen
Also locating cover art
During this testing we also found that certain characters used in the file path will break cover art.  Most notably are back ticks (aka grave notes).  To get around this we may add another feature to the library doctor app to replace back ticks with under scores.

Hello Chris,

Thank you for your prompt reply. Really I didn't expect so, considering it's Sunday. And your answer is good news, really.

Solving cover art «back ticks / grave notes» would be very nice, it helps to distinguish at a glance between different versions of some recordings one may like so much as to have more than 2 versions each.

But I think Tag data is a major issue.
It took me by surprise, and left me wondering what had I done wrong.
It happened as follows, I'll try to make myself clear the best I can.
1- before 0.19.9, I made a playlist containing the classic Mahavishnu Orchestra (John McLauglin) works, and another one with Jimmy Hendrix in the West.
2- those .flac files were in a WD MyBook 1TB USB, I had no difficulties finding them there.
3- then, I bought the TP-Link router and the WD MyCloud 3TB NAS.
copied MyBook → MyCloud.
it took me some time to understand the network behaviour, and I felt quite satisfied when found that I was able to copy into the WD MyBook USB the .flac files which first were either in my computer or in my NAS.
4- all of a sudden, after I had began using the NAS much more often than the USB, I realized two very confusing facts.
5- although I was able to find those folders looking at the screen, I found it impossible to make another playlist from the very same .flac files copied USB → NAS, from the NAS - because MPD didn't show them _ and besides, playlists made from the USB didn't play if the USB device was unplugged, quite obvious. I mean, a playlist made from the NAS will play from the NAS, a playlist made from the USB will play from the USB. if turned off, the corresponding playlist will not play.
6- so far, so good.
my confusion started when tried to build the same playlists, now from the NAS drive.
to put it as simple as I am able to explain this, the MPD didn't see neither Mahavishnu John McLaughlin nor Jimi Hendrix In The West from the NAS drive.
7- a few minutes ago I turned on the USB MyBook, but MPD 0.19.9 neither didn't find them there !! - and the network didn't allow me to copy .flac to the USB drive, no more.
8- thus, I first hypothesized there was a general problem regarding Tags, and I cannot rule out this hypothesis - I feel happy you are acknowledging this issue.

... but after reading your reply, it occurred to me that it would be worth to try and see what happens when using MPD 0.18.21 ... I cannot remember which MPD version allowed me to do what I wrote  :scratch:

excuse me for such a long post, Chris.
now that I'm reading it twice, I feel I was a little redundant.
hope I didn't make you feel bored or annoyed, it's somehow difficult for me to understand this one, and explain which I half-understand.
 
I will be looking forward to 0.19.12

thank you very much  :)


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 27 Dec 2015, 11:23 pm

it took me some time to understand the network behaviour, and I felt quite satisfied when found that I was able to copy into the WD MyBook USB the .flac files which first were either in my computer or in my NAS.

*****
 - and the network didn't allow me to copy .flac to the USB drive, no more.


nope ... this point in particular, seems to have «Stepped Out of a Dream» _  :oops:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Dec 2015, 05:11 pm
Hi Chris,

Any idea why, none of my WAV titles (including Album and Artist) are showing up in the Artist view? I'm on the latest beta firmware and I'm using dbPoweramp to generate the files.

Thanks,
C

This is currently normal behaviour, we intend on implementing a change to attempt to incorporate wav into the Bryston DB (used by the artist view).  The problem is that wav was never intended to make use of tag data when it was implemented so there is no standard way of supporting it. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 30 Dec 2015, 08:18 pm
Thanks, Chris!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 3 Jan 2016, 12:20 am

it took me some time to understand the network behaviour, and I felt quite satisfied when found that I was able to copy into the WD MyBook USB the .flac files which first were either in my computer or in my NAS.

 - and the network didn't allow me to copy .flac to the USB drive, no more.


well ... no!

it didn't step out of a dream of mine.
somehow I made this network to show up again: I plugged a new and small Toshiba DTB.310 USB3 HDD and the following screenshot draw itself on my monitor.

the network is as follows ('though I don't know how to write about a network, I hope to make myself clear enough):

Network: [42f2e088f2e08191(\\Bryston-bdp-2)→USB3ToshibaDTB310-connected].[New Volume→USBMyBook]-connected.[Public_Shared_Music_on_WDMYCLOUD→NAS.MyCloud]-connected

I don't know why "42f2e088f2e08191(\\Bryston-bdp-2)" refers to the Toshiba DTB310 USB3

... and it seems that this network makes the BDP to crash  :(
"Sorting music into Bryston DB:98%" - and never reaches 100%

thus, I was not able to try a file transfer from NAS to USB drives.
don't know if this could be possible, or if I am expecting too much.

about the rest of my confusing post dated 27 Dec 2015, 07:44 pm - it was everything a simple matter of missing Tags.
hard to solve anyway.
shall try with EasyTAG <https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/EasyTAG> - but I feel tired before I begin ... :)

here's the network, and BDP still at 98%.

any comment will be welcome, Chris.

and have a happy 2016  :D

*

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134574)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 3 Jan 2016, 03:30 pm
CMARINSR:
 I'm confused.  All my files are tagged using dBpoweramp and they all show in the Artist View.  At least 85% or my library is WAV.  The only complaint I have is some of the art does not show when an artist is clicked to show the Albums of that particular artist.  The small thumbnail art shows, but some of the larger 'Album' art does not.  No pattern discerned.

   Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 3 Jan 2016, 06:08 pm
No, Rich, in my case they don't. Not a big deal though, as they show up in MPaD, MPoD and many other possible control points (Lumin and Kinski for UPnP and iPeng and Squeezepad for Squeezelite). Unfortunately, I'm not using those two playback methods due to a lesser SQ, in my system.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 3 Jan 2016, 07:42 pm
Hello,

Chris, I'm confused too.
I'll write this down to help my short understanding.

windows7 sees the BDP-2 as network-capable, seen through the TPLink N750.
three of the folders depicted in the screenshot above (42f2e088f2e08191(\\Bryston-bdp-2) / New_Volume / Public_Shared_Music_on_WDMYCLOUD) do contain .flac and .ape

but the browser shows me the BDP-2 is confused !

so:
1- is the BDP-2 networking the WDMyBook, the WDMyCloud and the Toshiba ... or:
2- how can I understand what's happening ?

screenshooting firefox on BDP-2 status.
stalled at 98% ...
 
*

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134635)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134636)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 4 Jan 2016, 02:23 am
Hi Chris,

I am not sure if you are aware of this.  The Adblock Plus add-on for Firefox and Chrome blocks some of the interface/functionality of Manic Moose.  The following is an example from Audio Devices.  It appears as if I have no audio devices until I disable the add-on for the BDP-2's IP address.  After I do, my USB DAC and the Bryston sound card reappear.  I know there are a few other areas that lost functionality due to the add-on.  However, forgot specifically which ones.  The two filtering lists that I have loaded are the EasyList and Adblock Warning Removal List.

Thanks

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134669)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 4 Jan 2016, 04:30 am
Hi Chris,

I am not sure if you are aware of this.  The Adblock Plus add-on for Firefox and Chrome blocks some of the interface/functionality of Manic Moose.  The following is an example from Audio Devices.  It appears as if I have no audio devices until I disable the add-on for the BDP-2's IP address.  After I do, my USB DAC and the Bryston sound card reappear.  I know there are a few other areas that lost functionality due to the add-on.  However, forgot specifically which ones.  The two filtering lists that I have loaded are the EasyList and Adblock Warning Removal List.

Thanks


Thanks a lot, BSMSPEMBA ... wow, your finding is very important ! -

I cannot live without AdBlock's 3 extensions (add-ons): AdBlock Plus, AdBlock Plus Pop-Up addon, and Element Hiding Helper for AddBlock Plus - already observed Audio Devices had disappeared after the latest firmware update ...  :o

BSMSPEMBA, if I understood properly, disable the add-on for the BDP-2's IP address is the first thing to do ... but there may be other issues ...

shall do so immediately ! -  :duh:

further comments will be very much appreciated.

 :thumb: +  :thumb: +  :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 4 Jan 2016, 05:10 am
The Adblock Plus add-on for Firefox and Chrome blocks some of the interface/functionality of Manic Moose.  The following is an example from Audio Devices.  It appears as if I have no audio devices until I disable the add-on for the BDP-2's IP address.  After I do, my USB DAC and the Bryston sound card reappear. 

BSMSPEMBA, is this what should be seen after disabling AdBlock for the BDP-2 IP address ??

fernando.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134674)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Jan 2016, 08:48 am
confirmed for Safari on Mac also. (BDP1)


Hi Chris,

I am not sure if you are aware of this.  The Adblock Plus add-on for Firefox and Chrome blocks some of the interface/functionality of Manic Moose.  The following is an example from Audio Devices.  It appears as if I have no audio devices until I disable the add-on for the BDP-2's IP address.  After I do, my USB DAC and the Bryston sound card reappear.  I know there are a few other areas that lost functionality due to the add-on.  However, forgot specifically which ones.  The two filtering lists that I have loaded are the EasyList and Adblock Warning Removal List.

Thanks

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134669)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 4 Jan 2016, 02:26 pm
already observed Audio Devices had disappeared after the latest firmware update

It was after loading the November firmware update that I noticed the issue.  At first, I thought the issue was that I installed the new Bryston audio card, because I installed the card and updated the firmware the same day.  Imagine my concern when I was not able to see the card in Audio Devices. 

BSMSPEMBA, if I understood properly, disable the add-on for the BDP-2's IP address is the first thing to do ... but there may be other issues ...

To the best of my knowledge, disabling the add-on for the BDP-2 addresses the issue.  The problem with this solution is that if your router changes the IP address periodically, then you will have to keep disabling new addresses.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 4 Jan 2016, 02:29 pm
BSMSPEMBA, is this what should be seen after disabling AdBlock for the BDP-2 IP address ??

Yes, that appears to be correct.  I assume that you do not have the BDP connected to a USB DAC.

By the way, from what I understand, the check mark next to the DAC tells the BDP that your DAC can process DSD audio.  However, the BUC board does not pass through DSD audio.  Therefore, you should uncheck the box.  Chris can correct me, if I am wrong.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Jan 2016, 02:43 pm
  The problem with this solution is that if your router changes the IP address periodically, then you will have to keep disabling new addresses.


just click disable when on http://bryston-bdp-1.local/ (http://bryston-bdp-1.local/) and you're set. http://bryston-bdp-2.local (http://bryston-bdp-2.local) in your case :)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 4 Jan 2016, 09:56 pm
Imagine my concern when I was not able to see the card in Audio Devices.

Yes ... I do !  :cry:

To the best of my knowledge, disabling the add-on for the BDP-2 addresses the issue.  The problem with this solution is that if your router changes the IP address periodically, then you will have to keep disabling new addresses.

Well, not in my case right now, because my procedure followed what I had read, and first of all fixed the BDP-2 IP address and later, the IP NAS address too.

Hope you've done the same, it's not that easy in windows7.
I may be able to help if you wish. I had to ask for help to a friend of mine here. I'm not as savvy as I'd like to be regarding networks and networking.
But I do like to learn new things, better if far away outside of my profession.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 4 Jan 2016, 10:10 pm
Yes, that appears to be correct.  I assume that you do not have the BDP connected to a USB DAC.

No, I don't. I bought a BDA-2 together with the BDP-2.

By the way, from what I understand, the check mark next to the DAC tells the BDP that your DAC can process DSD audio.


good news !  :D - I didn't know.


However, the BUC board does not pass through DSD audio.  Therefore, you should uncheck the box.  Chris can correct me, if I am wrong.

well, this may be funny. I cannot leave it unchecked. whenever I uncheck it, after reloading the tab or browsing away in the Dashboard, when I return there it shows always checked !

I did not click on Disable yet. I will do my best to avoid doing so ...  :icon_lol: - unless I learn about a very good reason for clicking Disable.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 6 Jan 2016, 03:19 am
Hi Chris,

Could you provide more info on how the Roon Labs end point implementation (latest beta F/W) is to be used? I would also like to know which software player will be used for playback (MPD, Gmediarenderer etc), when acting as a Roon end point.

Thanks,
C
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Jan 2016, 03:38 pm
Hi Chris,

Could you provide more info on how the Roon Labs end point implementation (latest beta F/W) is to be used? I would also like to know which software player will be used for playback (MPD, Gmediarenderer etc), when acting as a Roon end point.

Thanks,
C

Well its an additional service that can be found under services and as its the Roon Labs Audio Endpoint, you use the Roon media player software to control it

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Jan 2016, 05:05 pm
Well its an additional service that can be found under services and as its the Roon Labs Audio Endpoint, you use the Roon media player software to control it

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248

Hi Chris,
No Roon under services here... :scratch:

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Jan 2016, 11:26 pm
Hi Chris,
No Roon under services here... :scratch:

Marius

Dunno

Running S2.21 2016-01-05?

Clear your browsers cache?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 7 Jan 2016, 02:35 am
Well its an additional service that can be found under services and as its the Roon Labs Audio Endpoint, you use the Roon media player software to control it

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248

Thanks, Chris! That's all I need to know.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Jan 2016, 07:34 am
aha, missed that one. Still was on 24-12-2015...
trying the update now.


some peculiarities as of late:
needing a reboot before an update actually takes
MPD is disabled after a reboot. Sometimes seemingly during normal operation.
have to reboot now and then to get my BDP back again, havent found a trigger for that, other than longer periods of no use in standby.
frontpanel not displaying the actual operation, only showing MDP ready, while in fact playing through the web interface of mood
also the opposite: mood and webinterfce unresponsive, while frontpanel operation works fine

extra:
while updating one can browse away from that interface. Does updating continue? revisiting the update page seems not too be reflecting that. Would it be wise to have some warning implemented during updating process, not to interfere?

Cheers,
Marius


Dunno

Running S2.21 2016-01-05?

Clear your browsers cache?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Jan 2016, 10:54 am
HI Chris,


In MM there's at least four places, the files being played are shown. Including their extension/filetype, which is specified separately also.


Wouldn't it be nice if MM only displayed the file name? That would centre the attention to the music, instead of the computer-side of things.


Cheers,
Marius


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134804)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 Jan 2016, 12:38 am
aha, missed that one. Still was on 24-12-2015...
trying the update now.


some peculiarities as of late:
needing a reboot before an update actually takes
MPD is disabled after a reboot. Sometimes seemingly during normal operation.
have to reboot now and then to get my BDP back again, havent found a trigger for that, other than longer periods of no use in standby.
frontpanel not displaying the actual operation, only showing MDP ready, while in fact playing through the web interface of mood
also the opposite: mood and webinterfce unresponsive, while frontpanel operation works fine

extra:
while updating one can browse away from that interface. Does updating continue? revisiting the update page seems not too be reflecting that. Would it be wise to have some warning implemented during updating process, not to interfere?

Cheers,
Marius

The BDP-1 hardware isn't fast enough to run the websocket reconnect function and thus users experience the occasional disconnect while the browser isn't active.  A simple refresh is all that is needed to re-establish communication.

You may also want not consider a factory reset, as of S2.21 (perhaps even S2.20) we changed the user space filesystem type and it appears to be quite a bit more reliable.  Also the new MPD 0.19.12 works really well with the BDP-1 hardware, I have gone weeks with my BDP-1 not requiring a reboot and using tidal as my method of playback.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 Jan 2016, 12:40 am
HI Chris,


In MM there's at least four places, the files being played are shown. Including their extension/filetype, which is specified separately also.


Wouldn't it be nice if MM only displayed the file name? That would centre the attention to the music, instead of the computer-side of things.


Cheers,
Marius


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134804)

Hmmm, I suspect you have show file name over tag data selected or those tracks are missing the title field
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Jan 2016, 06:36 am
Hmmm, I suspect you have show file name over tag data selected or those tracks are missing the title field

I tried that but it didn't make a difference. (File name over tag data )

Have to check the title field. Any suggestion for a good Mac app?

edit: using Tag http://sbooth.org/Tag/ (http://sbooth.org/Tag/) i found the title field tag also to be correct:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134864) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134865)
edit/

Could you show a pic how it would display if the above is were set all right?

However,
this does show my point of the MM interface being a bit too much 'computerish' instead of being more music or even user oriented .
Only the file name is of interest , not it's type . Leaving it out on those places wouldn't do any harm ( file type is already being specified separately) would look better in 4 places, would save screen estate, and would relieve the user of having to think about getting their tags right ;)

Cheers
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Jan 2016, 06:58 am
Thanks Chris,

I am on 221, beta jan 5 using MPd 19.12.
Sorry for not being sure of what you're saying here: should or shouldnt i factory reset?
Might it also be a browser specific issue? I find safari has a heap more connection issues than Chrome, even more so on mobile. (Always unresponsive after clicking Settings. Would be useful checking why that is)
Cheers
Marius

The BDP-1 hardware isn't fast enough to run the websocket reconnect function and thus users experience the occasional disconnect while the browser isn't active.  A simple refresh is all that is needed to re-establish communication.

You may also want not consider a factory reset, as of S2.21 (perhaps even S2.20) we changed the user space filesystem type and it appears to be quite a bit more reliable.  Also the new MPD 0.19.12 works really well with the BDP-1 hardware, I have gone weeks with my BDP-1 not requiring a reboot and using tidal as my method of playback.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Jan 2016, 03:04 pm
Well Chris,
forget about my tag/extension question...
Don't know what happened, but after loading a new mp3 download (OperaDepot (http://operadepot.com), great source!) the extensions are no longer visible... :scratch: 

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134874)

Sorry,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 8 Jan 2016, 03:53 pm
Hi. Question to Chris about last.fm audioscrobbler
This behavior happened two times in row, so maybe can be investigated somehow...
I played several albums, audioscrobbler reported Ok tracks to last.fm. Then played nothing for 3-4 hours, added again some albums to playlist, however no tracks were reported to last.fm. I tried to see if last.fm was down, the answer was no, with other player scrobbling works
So, the only thing I can imagine is that you have some sort of task killing mechanism when player goes to iddle for long time...is this true? if yes, is possible not to kill last.fm audioscrobbler? if not, next time will happen this I will email you service request
BDP1
S2.21 2015-12-09
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.18.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 10 Jan 2016, 04:44 am
Running S2.21 2016-01-05?
*
aha, missed that one. Still was on 24-12-2015...

Hi Marius, Chris,

Please, I cannot understand why I am still on in S2.20 2015-11-20 in my BDP-2.
Seems I skipped 2015-12-24 too, as Marius did.

After reading your posts, I upgraded firmware.
It did - but latest upgrade was the same as before: S2.20 2015-11-20

How is it that some BDPs can jump to S2.21 2016-01-05, and others cannot?

I do prefer to skip beta upgrades ... but this one seems not to be the case, as far as I can understand it.

Sorry if my questions seem to be a little naïve ... but if I don't ask these, I'll never learn.

Cheers,

Fernando.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Jan 2016, 06:00 pm
*
Hi Marius, Chris,

Please, I cannot understand why I am still on in S2.20 2015-11-20 in my BDP-2.
Seems I skipped 2015-12-24 too, as Marius did.

After reading your posts, I upgraded firmware.
It did - but latest upgrade was the same as before: S2.20 2015-11-20

How is it that some BDPs can jump to S2.21 2016-01-05, and others cannot?

I do prefer to skip beta upgrades ... but this one seems not to be the case, as far as I can understand it.

Sorry if my questions seem to be a little naïve ... but if I don't ask these, I'll never learn.

Cheers,

Fernando.

S2.20 is the most recent stable build, S2.21 is the most recent testing build as of this post.  If you want to install a testing build, follow the instructions on the below link.  Keep in my mind that the firmware revision listed at the top of the readme file is the version that will be installed.

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 10 Jan 2016, 10:45 pm
If you want to install a testing build, follow the instructions on the below link.  Keep in my mind that the firmware revision listed at the top of the readme file is the version that will be installed.

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248

No no no no no !! _ thanks you for your offer, Chris ... I'm having more than enough with MM stable as it is right now  :)
In fact, I had to learn tons of new things, and still cannot manage all of which I had read and done.
You might feel as happy as I am, to know that my BDP-2 stopped to freeze at ‖ (Pause) so far. Thus it became unnecessary to put it in Service Mode- Nonetheless, I'm not sure if it healed after my latest firmware update, nor if it will freeze at Pause again, at random. So far, so good.

I will take a look at the link you provided, so as to distinguish stable builds from those which are not.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Jan 2016, 08:26 pm
No no no no no !! _ thanks you for your offer, Chris ... I'm having more than enough with MM stable as it is right now  :)
In fact, I had to learn tons of new things, and still cannot manage all of which I had read and done.
You might feel as happy as I am, to know that my BDP-2 stopped to freeze at ‖ (Pause) so far. Thus it became unnecessary to put it in Service Mode- Nonetheless, I'm not sure if it healed after my latest firmware update, nor if it will freeze at Pause again, at random. So far, so good.

I will take a look at the link you provided, so as to distinguish stable builds from those which are not.

Thank you.

Glad to hear things are working better, i found my BDP-1 to be all lot more stable with the most recent update and choosing MPD 0.19.  Also S2.21 was just released a few hours ago as S2.22 2016-01-11 and replaces the previous stable release S2.20.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 11 Jan 2016, 11:50 pm
Glad to hear things are working better, i found my BDP-1 to be all lot more stable with the most recent update and choosing MPD 0.19.  Also S2.21 was just released a few hours ago as S2.22 2016-01-11 and replaces the previous stable release S2.20.

Cheers,
Chris

Chris, great news.

If I can ask a dumb question. Now that Roon seems to have been enabled on this firmware update, if I have Roon running on a remote computer with library attached, the BDP-2 and that remote computer can now communicate? No need to have any other server software running?

(my current setup is MiniMserver running on a networked Mac Mini with my library attached, and I use Linn Kazoo as the control point)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 12 Jan 2016, 02:32 am
Also S2.21 was just released a few hours ago as S2.22 2016-01-11 and replaces the previous stable release S2.20.

Cheers,
Chris

update done, Chris.

while at it, the browser reported it had crashed - twice.

then, i thought (by myself ...) that i should disable Enable Update At Startup.
updated again, and this third time firefox didn't report any crash.

right now, S2.22 2016-01-11 is taking a while updating database. yes, still updating at the Artist View window.
but reporting itself as '■ MPD Ready' and 'BDP at nominal operation'.

Cheers,

Fernando.
   
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Jan 2016, 04:35 am
Chris, great news.

If I can ask a dumb question. Now that Roon seems to have been enabled on this firmware update, if I have Roon running on a remote computer with library attached, the BDP-2 and that remote computer can now communicate? No need to have any other server software running?

(my current setup is MiniMserver running on a networked Mac Mini with my library attached, and I use Linn Kazoo as the control point)

i don't think you quite understand how that works, room is its own server and control software.  there are other methods of control using other clients and server protocols like upnp/dlna or squeezebox, which has been available in the BDP firmware since Manic Moose was released in 2014.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Jan 2016, 04:38 am
update done, Chris.

while at it, the browser reported it had crashed - twice.

then, i thought (by myself ...) that i should disable Enable Update At Startup.
updated again, and this third time firefox didn't report any crash.

right now, S2.22 2016-01-11 is taking a while updating database. yes, still updating at the Artist View window.
but reporting itself as '■ MPD Ready' and 'BDP at nominal operation'.

Cheers,

Fernando.
 

did you change the version of mod? what version of mod did you have selected?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 12 Jan 2016, 05:10 am
i don't think you quite understand how that works, room is its own server and control software.  there are other methods of control using other clients and server protocols like upnp/dlna or squeezebox, which has been available in the BDP firmware since Manic Moose was released in 2014.

Hi Chris:

Actually i'm up to speed on that. I use the BDP-2 as a DLNA client, with MiniMServer running on my NAS (Mac Mini).

My question, which i now realize ws confusing...is..does Roon replace that set up...

I am guessing that Roon must be running on your computer, with your library indexed, and enabled on the BDP, and then you can use the Roon iOS app as control point...?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 12 Jan 2016, 05:16 am
i don't think you quite understand how that works, room is its own server and control software.  there are other methods of control using other clients and server protocols like upnp/dlna or squeezebox, which has been available in the BDP firmware since Manic Moose was released in 2014.

Btw...i can't tell you how impressed i am at the speed at which you guys are adding features...
It is amazing.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 12 Jan 2016, 05:57 am
did you change the version of mod? what version of mod did you have selected?

surprise  :o

what do you mean by 'version of mod' !?

i entered the forum right now to tell you that at last it all seems to be working o.k.
and that Rebuild Database in Artist View seemed to be lasting forever 'cause i hadn't clicked 'update' in that window.
it updated in a few minutes after i did so.

had turned everything off - but turned it on to check what could have happened ... found differences but not errors ... which 'mod' is it !?

here's an screenshot:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135066)

 :oops:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vonnie123 on 12 Jan 2016, 07:43 am
my BDP-1 completed the update, but I get a long winded "leaning up" in the display and the unit appears stalled.  Reboots don't seem to fix it.

Reloaded new firmware, still leaning up, so we'll let it run overnight to see if it straightens out.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gustavog on 12 Jan 2016, 01:36 pm
i don't think you quite understand how that works, room is its own server and control software.  there are other methods of control using other clients and server protocols like upnp/dlna or squeezebox, which has been available in the BDP firmware since Manic Moose was released in 2014.

Is the Roon protocol always bit perfect (same as the source)? I have played a bit with the new RAAT service on my BDP-1 with Roon. How do you know what the BDP-1 is playing in terms of format? At Roon you can see the signal path but only shows the bit depth and sampling rate of the source, not the end point (maybe because it is assumed to be bit perfect)..
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Jan 2016, 02:56 pm
HI Chris,


Is there any way you could implement a users selection on which tags are displayed in the browser (right side) and playlist (left side)?


Right now, all tags are displayed, and that clutters the interface unnecessarily, since all tags are also displayed above and below of the media player window.


Selecting file name over tag data is no solution, since than we have all extensions back in all 4 track name areas.


I would love a user selectable set of options. It would suffice to only show the track name in the Playlist and the Drive-Browser. Selecting  an album would display the album name at the top of it, making it show on all tracks numbers quite superfluous imho.


Check this for example:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135080)

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135081)

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135082) 

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Jan 2016, 04:17 pm
HI Chris,


Is there any way you could implement a users selection on which tags are displayed in the browser (right side) and playlist (left side)?


Right now, all tags are displayed, and that clutters the interface unnecessarily, since all tags are also displayed above and below of the media player window.


Selecting file name over tag data is no solution, since than we have all extensions back in all 4 track name areas.


I would love a user selectable set of options. It would suffice to only show the track name in the Playlist and the Drive-Browser. Selecting  an album would display the album name at the top of it, making it show on all tracks numbers quite superfluous imho.


Check this for example:

Cheers,
Marius

We should be able to accommodate that, I can make it working the same way as setting up the path in the cd backup settings page.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Jan 2016, 04:30 pm
HI Chris,
Great and thanks!
Not sure how your suggestion would work (i don't cd-backup on the BOT)


Was thinking of some extra ticks on the Song info window myself. have 2 extra columns, Playlist and Browser, show the available tags, tick-able for the enduser.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135083)


Anyway, thanks for thinking along  :thumb:

Cheers,Marius

We should be able to accommodate that, I can make it working the same way as setting up the path in the cd backup settings page.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Jan 2016, 05:25 pm
I'm saying i would use the same style of interface that is used to configure the cd back path to configure whats shown in the library and playlist view.  The benefit is you could also specify the order in which they appear and place separator (i.e. periods, dashes, colons, etc) between each item.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Jan 2016, 06:47 pm
 :thumb: :thumb:
thanks!
I'm saying i would use the same style of interface that is used to configure the cd back path to configure whats shown in the library and playlist view.  The benefit is you could also specify the order in which they appear and place separator (i.e. periods, dashes, colons, etc) between each item.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 12 Jan 2016, 09:35 pm
I now have my BDP-2 up and running as a Roon end point. I'm impressed with the integration. Thanks again folks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 12 Jan 2016, 09:43 pm
^^ Are you able to play > 44.1/48/16 without any drop-outs? I am finding that TIDAL and Redbook content works flawlessly with RAAT and my BDP-1, but higher resolution tracks cause increasing levels of drop-outs. Note that I have no trouble playing the same files via DLNA over the same network connection.

Just curious what you are experiencing... Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 12 Jan 2016, 10:59 pm
^^ Are you able to play > 44.1/48/16 without any drop-outs? I am finding that TIDAL and Redbook content works flawlessly with RAAT and my BDP-1, but higher resolution tracks cause increasing levels of drop-outs. Note that I have no trouble playing the same files via DLNA over the same network connection.

Just curious what you are experiencing... Thanks.

I have not tried anything beyond Redbook yet. . I do have a massive 24 bit library..so for sure I will try later.

One thing that is probably going to be a deal killer for me is the lack of Folder View. I have too big a library for the a graphical only navigation.

Too bad.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 12 Jan 2016, 11:20 pm
I have not tried anything beyond Redbook yet. . I do have a massive 24 bit library..so for sure I will try later.

One thing that is probably going to be a deal killer for me is the lack of Folder View. I have too big a library for the a graphical only navigation.

Too bad.

Well, not to go off-topic, that is exactly the problem Roon is trying to solve. Whether it succeeds is up to you. If you have a Tidal subscription, it's worth spending time with and getting to know.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 12 Jan 2016, 11:23 pm
Well, not to go off-topic, that is exactly the problem Roon is trying to solve. Whether it succeeds is up to you. If you have a Tidal subscription, it's worth spending time with and getting to know.

I have a massive library. I have spent 8 years curating, tagging, and organizing it in a very logical easy to navigate way. But I am open to any interface that will improve the experience. However, I will not conform to Roon..if it is really the intelligent software they say it is it has to conform to my need.

I think Tidal is great, but I have 12 TB of music, and I have no use for it currently.

I was not exactly sure what you mean by it is a problem they are trying to solve...?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 12 Jan 2016, 11:36 pm
I have a massive library. I have spent 8 years curating, tagging, and organizing it in a very logical easy to navigate way. But I am open to any interface that will improve the experience. However, I will not conform to Roon..if it is really the intelligent software they say it is it has to conform to my need.

I think Tidal is great, but I have 12 TB of music, and I have no use for it currently.

I was not exactly sure what you mean by it is a problem they are trying to solve...?

I have about 1TB of music, also well curated. The problem is that I lose track of what I really have; especially music that I haven't listed to in a long time or purchased/ripped and never listed to, at all. Couple that with a streaming subscription, which I use to sample new stuff (i.e. try before buy), and it's a problem for *me* that isn't solved well with any hierarchical organization. You might be smarter than I am and don't need help "re-learning" what's in your library.

The really cool feature that I like: automated tagging/organization with cross referencing, based on generally accepted genre-categorization of music (i.e. curated by reviewers - especially well done for classical music). So, you are listening to one artist and can immediately find similar music that you may have forgotten is in your collection. A click/tap and you are there... rinse and repeat. I have spent many hours just bouncing around my own collection and listening to music I haven't heard in years.

Similarly, you can try music you don't have in your library via Tidal, using the same pattern above.

Note that Roon doesn't modify your own audio files - your tags are left alone; any meta data from Roon is stored in a separate database.

Roon isn't perfect - I find the actual playback interaction model not to my taste, but I've kept at it because I value the above part.

And, to be frank, it does sound good, but nothing beats MPD playback from locally stored files (USB drive) on my BDP-1.

Just my opinion, I am not affiliated with Roon.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 13 Jan 2016, 12:16 am
I have about 1TB of music, also well curated. The problem is that I lose track of what I really have; especially music that I haven't listed to in a long time or purchased/ripped and never listed to, at all. Couple that with a streaming subscription, which I use to sample new stuff (i.e. try before buy), and it's a problem for *me* that isn't solved well with any hierarchical organization. You might be smarter than I am and don't need help "re-learning" what's in your library.

The really cool feature that I like: automated tagging/organization with cross referencing, based on generally accepted genre-categorization of music (i.e. curated by reviewers - especially well done for classical music). So, you are listening to one artist and can immediately find similar music that you may have forgotten is in your collection. A click/tap and you are there... rinse and repeat. I have spent many hours just bouncing around my own collection and listening to music I haven't heard in years.

Similarly, you can try music you don't have in your library via Tidal, using the same pattern above.

Note that Roon doesn't modify your own audio files - your tags are left alone; any meta data from Roon is stored in a separate database.

Roon isn't perfect - I find the actual playback interaction model not to my taste, but I've kept at it because I value the above part.

And, to be frank, it does sound good, but nothing beats MPD playback from locally stored files (USB drive) on my BDP-1.

Just my opinion, I am not affiliated with Roon.

No worries. I absolutely appreciate your perspective.

To be fair, 1TB is far cry from 12TB...just sayin'...and I do see how Roon can be a huge benefit to many.

I have no problem what so ever discovering new music. I purchase 200 new albums per year, see many live shows,
and scour forums, bandcamp, etc endlessly. I don't need all the noise, and bio, and cross referencing.

I think DLNA/Linn Kazzoo is much better suited for me. I know what I want to listen to, I just want to select it and play it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jan 2016, 12:29 am
And, to be frank, it does sound good, but nothing beats MPD playback from locally stored files (USB drive) on my BDP-1.
[/quote]

This is my concern as well as MPD is replaced with their audio engine.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 13 Jan 2016, 12:34 am
And, to be frank, it does sound good, but nothing beats MPD playback from locally stored files (USB drive) on my BDP-1.


This is my concern as well as MPD is replaced with their audio engine.

james

What happens during DLNA playback?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 13 Jan 2016, 02:41 am
I now have my BDP-2 up and running as a Roon end point. I'm impressed with the integration. Thanks again folks.

Any comments about Roon's playback engine SQ?

Thanks
C

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 13 Jan 2016, 02:49 am
Any comments about Roon's playback engine SQ?

Thanks
C

Sounded very good via the BDP-2. I did not do direct comparisons.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 13 Jan 2016, 03:31 am
Sounded very good via the BDP-2. I did not do direct comparisons.

Thanks, Servingthemusic!

Unfortunately I can't say the same thing. I'm playing with Roon since last Friday, and, in my system/room has a darker presentation than MPD with recessed top end and high-mids. This combined with a heavier bottom end leaves the impression of less air between notes, no emotion in vocals and less controlled bass...

Carmen


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 13 Jan 2016, 03:37 am
Thanks, Servingthemusic!

Unfortunately I can't say the same thing. I'm playing with Roon since last Friday, and, in my system/room has a darker presentation than MPD with recessed top end and high-mids. This combined with a heavier bottom end leaves the impression of less air between notes, no emotion in vocals and less controlled bass...

Carmen

Imteresting...i will listen again tomorrow.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 13 Jan 2016, 04:17 am
Sounded very good via the BDP-2. I did not do direct comparisons.

FWIW, I did do direct comparisons. I actually spent a lot of time doing so.

As I said earlier, MPD is the clear winner. With Redbook audio, I thought Bryston's implementation of RAAT on my BDP-1 sounded quite good; so, second place. Actually, I was shocked at how good Tidal content sounded via Roon.

For me, with my system and ears/brain, GmediaRenderer is a distant third in sound quality, which is why I stopped using DLNA/MinimServer with my BDP-1.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 13 Jan 2016, 04:22 am
FWIW, I did do direct comparisons. I actually spent a lot of time doing so.

As I said earlier, MPD is the clear winner. With Redbook audio, I thought Bryston's implementation of RAAT on my BDP-1 sounded quite good; so, second place. Actually, I was shocked at how good Tidal content sounded via Roon.

For me, with my system and ears/brain, GmediaRenderer is a distant third in sound quality, which is why I stopped using DLNA/MinimServer with my BDP-1.

Awesome. Thanks for reporting on your comparisons. I would bet a good percentage of users would agree with your findings.

I was actually impressed by Tidal as well.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 13 Jan 2016, 04:28 am
Awesome. Thanks for reporting on your comparisons. I would bet a good percentage of users would agree with your findings.

I was actually impressed by Tidal as well.

I wish I could quickly switch between Roon RAAT and MPD playback on my BDP-1. I would use Roon for casual listening of my own library and Tidal, then switch to MPD (MPaD) for critical listening of my local library. Unfortunately, one needs to disable/enable Roon RAAT each time to release control of the sound card. Someone from Roon, on their forum, mentioned that Bryston was working on automated switching of audio output to solve this very problem and they were very complimentary of Bryston's internal architecture (they said it was very clean and they expected Roon to sound as good as it could).

I look forward to upcoming releases on Roon RAAT...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 13 Jan 2016, 04:33 am
I wish I could quickly switch between Roon RAAT and MPD playback on my BDP-1. I would use Roon for casual listening of my own library and Tidal, then switch to MPD (MPaD) for critical listening of my local library. Unfortunately, one needs to disable/enable Roon RAAT each time to release control of the sound card. Someone from Roon, on their forum, mentioned that Bryston was working on automated switching of audio output to solve this very problem and they were very complimentary of Bryston's internal architecture (they said it was very clean and they expected Roon to sound as good as it could).

I look forward to upcoming releases on Roon RAAT...

Good information, thanks. Would this be an issue if you used USB into your DAC?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 13 Jan 2016, 04:35 am
Good information, thanks. Would this be an issue if you used USB into your DAC?

Ahhh...  I did experiment with both S/PDIF and USB, but I can't be sure. I think once you use Roon RAAT, it locks up the active interface and you either disable Roon RAAT or, as I often did, just reboot the BDP.

Same issue with Squeeze and Airplay and DLNA, as far as I recall.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 13 Jan 2016, 07:10 am
Thanks to all who've posted. I'm reluctant to invest in Roon exactly because I'm waiting to read others opinions and see if it impacts audio quality. If it does, I won't invest in it!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Jan 2016, 07:55 am
HI Chris,


While you're at...


please have the Media Player button appear on all pages. That would really save a lot of clicks on this side.....Especially coming from one of the Settings pages. 


what would also be a great addition:


Browse-to-current-track-button (in the MM right Browser window). More than often do i want to add another track, or related track of the music current playing one. Since ever so often that is nested deep in my library (and the browser is in its original Root, it takes a lot of clicks to arrive at the correct place in the library. A Browse to Current would  be awesome: instant location of the desired track.


Hope its feasible.


Marius






We should be able to accommodate that, I can make it working the same way as setting up the path in the cd backup settings page.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 13 Jan 2016, 09:35 pm
Roon Server 1.1 (build 94) is here. Better SQ, but I would still give the edge to MPD.

From the Release Notes:

 "RoonReady Support
Roon now streams in bit-perfect quality to Roon Ready devices..."
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 13 Jan 2016, 09:38 pm
Roon Server 1.1 (build 94) is here. Better SQ, but I would still give the edge to MPD.

From the Release Notes:

 "RoonReady Support
Roon now streams in bit-perfect quality to Roon Ready devices..."

Yes... I grabbed this last night and updated my RoonServer and re-tested with RAAT on my BDP-1. Still no love for high-res tracks, but Redbook and Tidal works very well (i..e sounds good and no issues or artifacts during playback).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 14 Jan 2016, 07:03 pm
FYI, With the last set of Beta releases and the current, stable release, album art generation for the Artist View is broken (again).

This is on my FLAC/AAC/MP3 collection that used to reliably generate album art. Now, any album with a title containing non English characters fails to build thumbnails. Such as:

Album title: Liszt: Piano Sonata In B Minor, Funérailles, Etc.
Artist: CéU

... accent characters seem to be the problem, whether in the album title or in the artist name, as noted after rebuilding and reviewing my 15,000+ track library.

Using:

S2.22 2016-01-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 14 Jan 2016, 09:57 pm

... accent characters seem to be the problem, whether in the album title or in the artist name, as noted after rebuilding and reviewing my 15,000+ track library.

Using:

S2.22 2016-01-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

wondering if that could be the problem i'm having with Agnes Buen Garnås & Jan Garbarek - Rosensfole - ECM 1402.
but my problem is that i cannot "SAVE" a playlist which contains Agnes Buen Garnås & Jan Garbarek.
this could well be due to another reason, since thumbnails for this one and others are o.k.

using the same as Krutsch:

S2.22 2016-01-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Fernando.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Jan 2016, 01:23 am
wondering if that could be the problem i'm having with Agnes Buen Garnås & Jan Garbarek - Rosensfole - ECM 1402.
but my problem is that i cannot "SAVE" a playlist which contains Agnes Buen Garnås & Jan Garbarek.
this could well be due to another reason, since thumbnails for this one and others are o.k.

using the same as Krutsch:

S2.22 2016-01-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Fernando.

I can't say I have tested accented character with playlist names, but saving them to the playlist should be fine.  The only character I have ran into having problems with are back ticks and double quotes
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 15 Jan 2016, 06:56 am
, but saving them to the playlist should be fine.

yes, it should.
but the Playlist Editor blinked 'Saved!' only after i entered Garnas instead of Garnås ! _  :o

i don't mean this is only a question on accented characters.

rather, it seems to me that i don't get to understand the new Playlist Editor ...  :oops:
what exactly to expect from Append, Replace, Remove, Cancel ... maybe i messed commands without knowing beforehand where would i arrive to.

the new PE looked deceptively simple, and i fear i have made too many mistakes.

one of them could be very reason why i cannot save Garnås in a playlist.

but i don't have a clue in this particular case.

every other playlist show up after a a blinking 'Saved!' _  :?

cheers,

Fernando.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 16 Jan 2016, 03:06 am
I can't say I have tested accented character with playlist names, but saving them to the playlist should be fine.

excuse my insistence, Chris ... but now i'm fairly sure that it doesn't like windows Alt 0229 (å), when building a playlist ...

have overcome other personal difficulties in understanding the new playlist editor (not all of them, but those referring to this issue).

Alt 0229 remains as an issue; the playlist doesn't 'Save!' if it contains an å ...  :(

built 2 identical playlists, one from my USB WDMyBook 1Tb, and the other one from my WDMyCloud 3Tb NAS (named each one WD1Tb.USB, and WD3Tb.NAS respectively - so as to distinguish where from either of those HDD the files are being read).

no problem unless i named either of each playlist, using Alt 0229 ... as said, the BDP2 will not 'Save!' a playlist with that very character - should see if other existing Alt codes are refused the same way.
 
and it shouldn't be the only one, it could be the group i know as Extra Letters : Alt 0229, 0140, 0254, 0216, 0198 and so on.
but i did not test any of these, only 0229.

hope this helps.
only an idea of mine ...

Cheers,

Fernando.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 16 Jan 2016, 03:58 pm
Is there a way in a future firmware release to implement fully independent scrolling of the left & right windows in Artist View? I find that once you select your Artist and the right window opens with the albums and you start scrolling through the albums you get to a point that the left window starts scrolling with the right window which can be very annoying because you now have to scroll the left window to return to where you were in your artist list. The left window should remain fixed/locked at the point you left it and started using the right window.

Another convenient feature to have in the right window of the Artist View is a list box or combo box with a few sorting options plus an ascending/descending option. The window currently sorts the albums alphabetically I believe however it would be nice if we could also sort that list by say album date (probably the Year tag) so you can see the proper order that the artists' albums were released. That's how I always tended to physically order my albums for each artist in my CD stands or cabinet shelves and I also tended to do that when I using larger CD changers.

Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 16 Jan 2016, 06:47 pm
Hoping some one can assist, I have just upgraded to the latest firmware on by BDP1:
S2.22 2016-01-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

However the MPD had crashed so I enabled it within "Services".  However whilst trying to play music the unit shows that it is playing the track but no sound comes out the speakers via the SP3. For clarity no cables etc have been touched or moved, so its not a connection issue..

I would be grateful for any help on this issue.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 16 Jan 2016, 07:37 pm
Ok, so I changed the MPD to 17.6 and now it works....

Am I to assume that the BDP 1 can only use 17.6 and not the newer 19.12 ????
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2016, 08:21 pm
Ok, so I changed the MPD to 17.6 and now it works....

Am I to assume that the BDP 1 can only use 17.6 and not the newer 19.12 ????

Hi

I am using 19.12 with no problem????

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 16 Jan 2016, 09:31 pm
James,

Thank you for responding..


I am obviously doing something wrong. What is the process to change to 19.12 and then getting the player to work.

Thank you
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2016, 10:47 pm
James,

Thank you for responding..


I am obviously doing something wrong. What is the process to change to 19.12 and then getting the player to work.

Thank you

Hi

Not sure ... in my case I tell MPD to load 19.12 and then reboot???

Maybe Chris can comment.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 16 Jan 2016, 11:29 pm
James,

I appear to be going around in loops and wasting my time with this new firmware update....

.....I now have MPD 19.12 showing in System but he main screen is now displaying MPD Crash Detected, what do I do now.....

Why is that every time I reboot MPD disappears from the Services Settings along with Shairplay ...this cannot be right.....thus going around in damn loops..

HELP required...

EDIT - it automatically updated and is showing MPD as enabled.....BUT, drives loaded (or at least partly) yet whilst the unit is showing as playing absolutely nothing can be heard......WTF is happening ??

[Sat Jan 16 23:40:33 2016] [error] [client 192.168.1.15] PHP Notice: Undefined variable: dev in /var/www/mpd/crash.php on line 302, referer: http://192.168.1.8/bryston/settings/system-log.php

I have put the unit in Service mode #154 so maybe Chris could have a look..

 

Thank you.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 17 Jan 2016, 12:34 am
Is there a way in a future firmware release to implement fully independent scrolling of the left & right windows in Artist View?

Hi Rod_S, Chris or anyone who's willing to help me with this basic question.

from what Rod wrote, i conclude that in Artist View, one can enable a window at the right _ but i may have misunderstood.

then, what is expected from me to do, so as the right window would show up ??

i only have a window at the left side, while Rod is thinking about making it work better !! _  :scratch:

thanks in advance,

Fernando.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 17 Jan 2016, 10:53 am
@Ritchief
You may try to reset global settings from menu (right arrow, down arrow several times until settings, right arrow, again down arrow)
in most cases this worked for me

After this step you will need to re-define NAS set-up and other settings if case, rebuild your media library, etc

Additionally check status of your flash card by Manic Moose interface, Disk  information, select System and Verify, if case - Repair

Also, there was a note in one of fw releases (2.18 maybe) that libraries larger than yyy will not be supported on BDP1

L.E.

S2.16 2015-06-19
System
MPD 0.19.9, not BDP-1 compatible; MPD 0.17.6 & 0.18.21 continue to function on BDP-1 hardware

S2.17 2015-06-24
Media Player - Bryston DB (Artist and Album view)
Complete overhaul of Bryston DB,
BDP-2 users should notice a performace increase of 1/2 time to build and
BDP-1 user should notice close to 1/4 (based on a library of 28,000 songs).
Those values are assuming cover art has already been resized (bdp_front_250.jpg has been created)
There is a down side to this new method, there is a limitation on library size
This limitation only concerns use of the artist and album(currently busted and in development) views.
BDP-1's will be limited to approximately 60,000 tracks before the system runs out of memory and
BDP-2 users would be limited to about 8x that.
This is a limitation of system memory required during the compilation of the database.
The two seperate stages of building (music and cover art) are now merged as one and not two seperate stages
Fixed cover art file name priority
If a picture file is not found, the BDP will now check if cover art is embedded in the music file (as tag data)

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 17 Jan 2016, 02:54 pm
Hi Rod_S, Chris or anyone who's willing to help me with this basic question.

from what Rod wrote, i conclude that in Artist View, one can enable a window at the right _ but i may have misunderstood.

then, what is expected from me to do, so as the right window would show up ??

i only have a window at the left side, while Rod is thinking about making it work better !! _  :scratch:

thanks in advance,

Fernando.

So when you enter into Artist view there is initially nothing in the right hand window, so 1stly you scroll through the Artist list on the left, pick an Artist then the right hand window becomes populated with the albums for the artist you just selected. If the Artist has a number of albums you have to scroll through them, this is in the right hand window. What I find happens with my iPad, latest version of iOS is that as I scroll down through the albums in the right window there is a point that the left window starts to scroll down as well. What I'm saying is that left hand window shouldn't be scrolling because it should be completely independent from the right hand window.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Jan 2016, 05:19 pm
HI Ritchie,


Both MPD crash detected and disabled MPD in settings are familiar..
On my BDP1 the crash is caused by the Bryston DB being enabled, while my library is too large for the BDP1 to handle that well. Disabling the Db stops the Db from crashing.. No artist view as a result though, but that wouldn't work anyhow, given the size of the library.


I suspect the size also causes the MPD to get disabled. Simply enabling it works fine, though Ive asked Chris before to check why it is happening. It just shouldn't. I do believe the latest beta, and maybe even stable release havent shown this behavior.


on MPD 19 and BDP1: Chris changed the firmware and MPD 19 is now fully supported on the BDP1, and i must say, it is operating better than ever before.


Cheers,
Marius





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James,

I appear to be going around in loops and wasting my time with this new firmware update....

.....I now have MPD 19.12 showing in System but he main screen is now displaying MPD Crash Detected, what do I do now.....

Why is that every time I reboot MPD disappears from the Services Settings along with Shairplay ...this cannot be right.....thus going around in damn loops..

HELP required...

EDIT - it automatically updated and is showing MPD as enabled.....BUT, drives loaded (or at least partly) yet whilst the unit is showing as playing absolutely nothing can be heard......WTF is happening ??

[Sat Jan 16 23:40:33 2016] [error] [client 192.168.1.15] PHP Notice: Undefined variable: dev in /var/www/mpd/crash.php on line 302, referer: http://192.168.1.8/bryston/settings/system-log.php (http://192.168.1.8/bryston/settings/system-log.php)

I have put the unit in Service mode #154 so maybe Chris could have a look..

 

Thank you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 17 Jan 2016, 05:24 pm
So when you enter into Artist view there is initially nothing in the right hand window, so 1stly you scroll through the Artist list on the left, pick an Artist then the right hand window becomes populated with the albums for the artist you just selected. If the Artist has a number of albums you have to scroll through them, this is in the right hand window.

yes, now I understand you better, Rod.
you are counting a total of two windows (frames within a window, could be?), each one with its scroll bar, so two scroll bars.
I had understood that you were counting three windows / frames - and that I couldn't enable a third view. I never counted two windows, because the right window is large (in my 1920*1080 monitor) and this made me to name it "main window" instead of "right window". I didn't have a name for the small area, left window - but it is so important that this one (left) should be named "main window", depending on the naming criteria.

anyway, I think we both share the idea that more flexible information is desirable in Artist View.
yes, now that you mentioned it, me too I think a chronological order would be quite a feature. I do the same when physically order my albums in a very basic mode.

What I find happens with my iPad, latest version of iOS is that as I scroll down through the albums in the right window there is a point that the left window starts to scroll down as well. What I'm saying is that left hand window shouldn't be scrolling because it should be completely independent from the right hand window.

I can not make that happen here with firefox 43.0.4 on windows 7.1 -
Left and Right windows behave independently, even with my most populated Artist View - Miles Davis currently ranks with 133 albums - 855 songs. I cannot make both windows to scroll along together, under this view.
I don't have an iPad to compare, my HP tablet with w8.1 died about three months ago - but I will check with a laptop which has a smaller screen. If I find the same issue there on the Asus X555L, I will report back.

Thank you, Rod.

Fernando.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 17 Jan 2016, 06:55 pm
Hi Marius,

Thank you for your help.

I have found that since the new firmware and in particular MPD 19.6 is causing my unit to disable the MPD or show it as crashed. Equally when rebooted / turned off or reset to factory the unit looses its ability to remember the MPD and the units shows "n" in the screen. This then has locked the controls out so that whatever button I press it does not react.

I have performed TTSTO advise but to no avail.

However, since reverting back to MDP 17.6 the unit works as designed.

So until Chris can offer so guidance and hopefully go digging into my unit whilst in service mode I will have to stick with the below:

S2.22 2016-01-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.17.6 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Thank you.

Rich.

HI Ritchie,


Both MPD crash detected and disabled MPD in settings are familiar..
On my BDP1 the crash is caused by the Bryston DB being enabled, while my library is too large for the BDP1 to handle that well. Disabling the Db stops the Db from crashing.. No artist view as a result though, but that wouldn't work anyhow, given the size of the library.


I suspect the size also causes the MPD to get disabled. Simply enabling it works fine, though Ive asked Chris before to check why it is happening. It just shouldn't. I do believe the latest beta, and maybe even stable release havent shown this behavior.


on MPD 19 and BDP1: Chris changed the firmware and MPD 19 is now fully supported on the BDP1, and i must say, it is operating better than ever before.


Cheers,
Marius





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Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 17 Jan 2016, 08:44 pm
...furthermore to my comments above....the MPAD app on the Ipad is now no longer working...

I have deleted and re-entered the details, but the server "bryston-bdp-1.local", Port 6600 is not finding the BDP.......

Any ideas on why, or assistance would be gratefully received..

Thank you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 17 Jan 2016, 09:34 pm
Most likely reason is your router assignin a new up address (a network problem, nor the fault of the BDP). The easiest solution for most people is to go into the firmware of your router and reserve the same up address for the BDP every time. In fact, that's a really good practice for any device you need to access indirectly (NAS, printers, servers, etc).

Instead of accessing the device by an alias ("bryston-bdp-1.local"), use the reserved ip address.

If you're interested in why... nothing on a network has an actual name. Everything has a series of numbers called an IP address (similar to your phone). A computer somewhere matches those numbers to words. If you use the number instead, you don't have to worry about that problem.



- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 17 Jan 2016, 09:50 pm
Grit,

Thanks for the response....so I have....

In the Router:
1. locked down the IP address to the BDP and labled the same in Mpad, 162.168.1.14,
2. Under Port Management on the Router assigned HTTP 192.168.1.14   TCP   External Port 80 Internal Port 6600

However, MPAD still does not see the BDP....any further clues ??


Most likely reason is your router assignin a new up address (a network problem, nor the fault of the BDP). The easiest solution for most people is to go into the firmware of your router and reserve the same up address for the BDP every time. In fact, that's a really good practice for any device you need to access indirectly (NAS, printers, servers, etc).

Instead of accessing the device by an alias ("bryston-bdp-1.local"), use the reserved ip address.

If you're interested in why... nothing on a network has an actual name. Everything has a series of numbers called an IP address (similar to your phone). A computer somewhere matches those numbers to words. If you use the number instead, you don't have to worry about that problem.



- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 17 Jan 2016, 10:14 pm
Sorry, I wasn't paying close enough attention. Your computer/router setup is all Apple?
 
And you're using the 192.168.1.14 ip address instead of "bryston-bpd-1.local"?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 17 Jan 2016, 10:45 pm
Grit,

Now all working, notwithstanding I totally screwed up my router and had to do a full reset....

Thank you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 17 Jan 2016, 11:51 pm
yes, now I understand you better, Rod.
you are counting a total of two windows (frames within a window, could be?), each one with its scroll bar, so two scroll bars.
I had understood that you were counting three windows / frames - and that I couldn't enable a third view. I never counted two windows, because the right window is large (in my 1920*1080 monitor) and this made me to name it "main window" instead of "right window". I didn't have a name for the small area, left window - but it is so important that this one (left) should be named "main window", depending on the naming criteria.

anyway, I think we both share the idea that more flexible information is desirable in Artist View.
yes, now that you mentioned it, me too I think a chronological order would be quite a feature. I do the same when physically order my albums in a very basic mode.

I can not make that happen here with firefox 43.0.4 on windows 7.1 -
Left and Right windows behave independently, even with my most populated Artist View - Miles Davis currently ranks with 133 albums - 855 songs. I cannot make both windows to scroll along together, under this view.
I don't have an iPad to compare, my HP tablet with w8.1 died about three months ago - but I will check with a laptop which has a smaller screen. If I find the same issue there on the Asus X555L, I will report back.

Thank you, Rod.

Fernando.

You're welcome.

Yeah perhaps frames are a better term to use rather than windows. I'll try the Chrome browser on my iPad to see if I get the same behavior. I can also try using my laptop, I have both Windows Edge and Chrome installed and like you my resolution is 1920x1080.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 17 Jan 2016, 11:54 pm
Grit,

Now all working, notwithstanding I totally screwed up my router and had to do a full reset....

Thank you.

Ah, cool. Glad you're up and running again. It's frustrating when you can't just enjoy the music.

- Garrett
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 18 Jan 2016, 02:37 am
It's frustrating when you can't just enjoy the music.

- Garrett

yes it is, Garrett. I feel happy 'cause you were able to help Ritchie.

on the other hand, I frequently think that to 'enjoy the music' - a very difficult challenge is assumed.
therefore, I wouldn't say '«just» enjoy the music'. The challenge is not a simple one.

this comes from the time I first listened Eric Dolphy telling his audience, during his last recording in 1964 "Last Date".
during the last seconds of the last song (Miss Ann) one can hear Mr. Dolphy's voice:
"When you hear music, after it's over, it's gone in the air. You can never capture it again."
... and it was impossible for me to capture that enigmatic sentence from that vinyl copy of his last concert, into my 90 minutes cassette copy during 1980.
I tend to think he is (was?) right.
But we shall pursue, nonetheless.

Excuse me people, for my off-topic post.

Fernando.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Jan 2016, 08:34 am
Hi Ritch,


Good to see you got it all working.
You describe my preferred way of solving connection issues: reboot usually does the trick. Bdp (sometimes even a unplug/re-plug action is needed), router (when bryston-bdp-1.local won't work), or even the odd iphone/mpd (if it won't see the BDP anymore).Reset if things really got screwed up ( DB enable/disable or vv, combined with MPD changes)
No fixed ip addresses needed.
Also, sometimes a bit of patience is a great way of letting the BDP sort things out... Most of the time it finds its way automatically.
Now hit the play-button!


Cheers,
Marius


Grit,

Now all working, notwithstanding I totally screwed up my router and had to do a full reset....

Thank you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 19 Jan 2016, 12:10 am
You're welcome.

Yeah perhaps frames are a better term to use rather than windows. I'll try the Chrome browser on my iPad to see if I get the same behavior. I can also try using my laptop, I have both Windows Edge and Chrome installed and like you my resolution is 1920x1080.

So I did try my laptop, both Edge and Chrome do the work similarly to Safari on my iPad, in fact the left scroll bar starts scrolling immediately as soon as you move the right.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 19 Jan 2016, 03:09 am
So I did try my laptop, both Edge and Chrome do the work similarly to Safari on my iPad, in fact the left scroll bar starts scrolling immediately as soon as you move the right.

Ouch ! _  :cry:  :icon_surprised:  :cry:

I don't have Chrome installed on my w7.1, and reluctant to jump to w10 (doubt it would support NikonScan driver - Firewire 400 conn)
I owe Mozilla the possibility to switch from MacOS 8.6 to windows XP, 10 years ago.
I was advised to switch to Chrome, but ... I cannot check Chrome on w7.1 here ... right now ...

so, it is an issue to solve.

while at it, I observed something which may be related to what you found:
1- playing an album in Artist View window
2- switch to Default View window
3- switch back to Artist View window → 4- the album I am listening to, disappeared from Artist View window, where I had started at 1-  ...  :? and  :o

Fernando.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 19 Jan 2016, 10:14 pm
Just performed the final check, Chrome on my iPad and like everything else, the left frame/window is locked to the right, scrolling the right automatically starts scrolling the left.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 19 Jan 2016, 11:56 pm
Yes... I grabbed this last night and updated my RoonServer and re-tested with RAAT on my BDP-1. Still no love for high-res tracks, but Redbook and Tidal works very well (i..e sounds good and no issues or artifacts during playback).

Quick update to this: I simply went into the Audio Setup in Roon for the Bryston BDP-1 RAAT device and set the max sample rate to 48kHz.

Now, Roon down-samples my high-res tracks to 44.1 or 48, depending on the starting resolution, and leaves the bit-depth untouched. Sounds nice, from what I can tell and makes for a fantastic user experience for My Library + Tidal.

I am still hoping that the BDP-1 + Roon can support high-res tracks, but this is pretty nice, so far.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 20 Jan 2016, 03:20 am
Quote
Can not use a system volume as the scratch drive

...is what I read when I try to create a scratch drive; doesn't matter whether it's a USB HDD or a Flash/Thumb drive; tried different sizes and made sure all attempts were with a FAT32 formatted, MBR-partitioned drive.

This behavior has been in all of the recent betas and I used to back-date to the previous stable release to create a scratch drive. Now, the latest stable release has this issue and I cannot seem to create a scratch drive. Makes using NAS shares rather slow/difficult.

S2.22 2016-01-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gtaphile on 20 Jan 2016, 03:40 am
Sorry to bring this question up but I could not find a clear answer when I searched the topics.

Does the BDP-1 (not BDP-USB) support Tidal ? If so what firmware is require?

Thanks you
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: volpone on 20 Jan 2016, 08:23 am
Hello,
I'm a newbie and want to know if posting here is possible (allowed) ?
Regards
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: volpone on 20 Jan 2016, 08:51 am
So seems possible to post here.. :D

Hello again from the newbie,
I'm in Paris (France), sorry for my English.
I'm using Roon ecosystem since few months in a multi-room setup. Very satisfied about user experience and SQ (near 7000 local albums, mainly red book FLACs + TIDAL Hifi subscription).

On the way, i hope, to upgrade my main listening room current digital hifi setup with Bryston's devices:
- BDP-2 as a "RoonReady" networked endpoint
- BDA-3 to replace my Rega DAC

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135513)

Projected setup:
NAS (audio files) > NUC (RoonServer) > Ethernet (Gigabit wired) > BDP-2 (Roon option) > USB or AES > BDA-3 > Analog audio

Some questions about BDP-2 in this Roon networked context (I'm not interested in playing from BDP internal or external drives, only from RoonServer via wired Ethernet):

- What is displayed on the BDP-2 small green LCD screen when a title is played from Roon ?
- Are the "Now Playing" metadata (artist, title ...) scrolling ?
- Are the transport buttons on the BDP front panel (play - pause etc ...) usable to control the stream played from RoonServer via RAAT protocol ?
- What about SQ comparing to MPD or UpNP ? Roon streams bitperfect and it is easy to display "Signal Chain" informations on the Roon UI for issues like transcoding, decimation, truncation etc ...
- Is BDP-2 DSD compatible from Ethernet input to USB output ? (Roon is streaming native DSD or DoP)

Thank's in advance.
Regards.
Volpone
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gustavog on 20 Jan 2016, 01:06 pm
Quick update to this: I simply went into the Audio Setup in Roon for the Bryston BDP-1 RAAT device and set the max sample rate to 48kHz.

Now, Roon down-samples my high-res tracks to 44.1 or 48, depending on the starting resolution, and leaves the bit-depth untouched. Sounds nice, from what I can tell and makes for a fantastic user experience for My Library + Tidal.

I am still hoping that the BDP-1 + Roon can support high-res tracks, but this is pretty nice, so far.

The BDP-1 + Roon DO support high-res tracks. I think it is an issue with your network. I was using a powerline network adapter to connect my BDP-1 to my router and with that I had to set Roon to max out streaming at 96khz. I then threw a LAN cable instead between the two and now I can stream even 192khz (that's the highest sample rate I have). It sounds quite good. There is an edge in SQ when using MPD but Roon is not that bad. I have been using Roon in this way and doubt that I will get back to MPD,  from the point of view of convenience. I look forward to Bryston to evolve this.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gustavog on 20 Jan 2016, 01:14 pm
So seems possible to post here.. :D

Hello again from the newbie,
I'm in Paris (France), sorry for my English.
I'm using Roon ecosystem since few months in a multi-room setup. Very satisfied about user experience and SQ (near 7000 local albums, mainly red book FLACs + TIDAL Hifi subscription).

On the way, i hope, to upgrade my main listening room current digital hifi setup with Bryston's devices:
- BDP-2 as a "RoonReady" networked endpoint
- BDA-3 to replace my Rega DAC

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135513)

Projected setup:
NAS (audio files) > NUC (RoonServer) > Ethernet (wired) > BDP-2 (Roon option) > USB or AES > BDA-3 > Analog audio

Some questions about BDP-2 in this Roon networked context (I'm not interested in playing from BDP internal or external drives, only from RoonServer via wired Ethernet):

- What is displayed on the BDP-2 small green LCD screen when a title is played from Roon ?
- Are the "Now Playing" metadata (artist, title ...) scrolling ?
- Are the transport buttons on the BDP front panel (play - pause etc ...) usable to control the stream played from RoonServer via RAAT protocol ?
- What about SQ comparing to MPD or UpNP ? Roon streams bitperfect and it is easy to display "Signal Chain" informations on the Roon UI for issues like transcoding, decimation, truncation etc ...
- Is BDP-2 DSD compatible from Ethernet input ? (Roon is streaming native DSD or DoP)

Thank's in advance.
Regards.
Volpone

I am currently running my BDP-1 as a Roon endpoint. Nothing is displayed on the green display, the front panel buttons do not work and the BR-2 remote does not work as well. Not sure if something can be done here but I hope Bryston finds a way for them to work in the context of the BDP as a Roon endpoint.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 20 Jan 2016, 02:36 pm
The BDP-1 + Roon DO support high-res tracks. I think it is an issue with your network. I was using a powerline network adapter to connect my BDP-1 to my router and with that I had to set Roon to max out streaming at 96khz. I then threw a LAN cable instead between the two and now I can stream even 192khz (that's the highest sample rate I have). It sounds quite good. Maybe there is an edge in SQ when using MPD but it is not that noticeable. I have been using Roon in this way and doubt that I will get back to MPD. I look forward to Bryston to evolve this.

Well, you are probably right.

FWIW, my BDP-1 is connected via an Apple Airport Express as a wireless bridge, about 10- feet from my router and reports a connect speed of 300 Mbps, which feeds into a 100 Mbps port on the BDP-1.

I have no trouble streaming uncompressed 192/24 WAV via DLNA into the same connection, but maybe there is more protocol overhead with RAAT - particularly at the start of streaming, as I have noticed with 96/24 tracks that I get drop outs at the start and then it sort-of settles down and works.

I will try this with a LAN connection and see if makes any difference.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Jan 2016, 06:29 pm
Quick update to this: I simply went into the Audio Setup in Roon for the Bryston BDP-1 RAAT device and set the max sample rate to 48kHz.

Now, Roon down-samples my high-res tracks to 44.1 or 48, depending on the starting resolution, and leaves the bit-depth untouched. Sounds nice, from what I can tell and makes for a fantastic user experience for My Library + Tidal.

I am still hoping that the BDP-1 + Roon can support high-res tracks, but this is pretty nice, so far.

I'm playing some 192khz/24bit from a nas to my pc (roon server) to my BDP-1 just fine, i suspect you have a bottle neck somewhere.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Jan 2016, 06:32 pm
...is what I read when I try to create a scratch drive; doesn't matter whether it's a USB HDD or a Flash/Thumb drive; tried different sizes and made sure all attempts were with a FAT32 formatted, MBR-partitioned drive.

This behavior has been in all of the recent betas and I used to back-date to the previous stable release to create a scratch drive. Now, the latest stable release has this issue and I cannot seem to create a scratch drive. Makes using NAS shares rather slow/difficult.

S2.22 2016-01-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Unless you place your BDP into service mode and email me the service id I really can't tell you why it isn't working.  Also the scratch drive at this point is only used to cache picture files from Tidal (assuming your using the Tidal app built into the firmware)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Jan 2016, 06:46 pm
So seems possible to post here.. :D

Hello again from the newbie,
I'm in Paris (France), sorry for my English.
I'm using Roon ecosystem since few months in a multi-room setup. Very satisfied about user experience and SQ (near 7000 local albums, mainly red book FLACs + TIDAL Hifi subscription).

On the way, i hope, to upgrade my main listening room current digital hifi setup with Bryston's devices:
- BDP-2 as a "RoonReady" networked endpoint
- BDA-3 to replace my Rega DAC



Projected setup:
NAS (audio files) > NUC (RoonServer) > Ethernet (Gigabit wired) > BDP-2 (Roon option) > USB or AES > BDA-3 > Analog audio

Some questions about BDP-2 in this Roon networked context (I'm not interested in playing from BDP internal or external drives, only from RoonServer via wired Ethernet):

- What is displayed on the BDP-2 small green LCD screen when a title is played from Roon ?
- Are the "Now Playing" metadata (artist, title ...) scrolling ?
- Are the transport buttons on the BDP front panel (play - pause etc ...) usable to control the stream played from RoonServer via RAAT protocol ?
- What about SQ comparing to MPD or UpNP ? Roon streams bitperfect and it is easy to display "Signal Chain" informations on the Roon UI for issues like transcoding, decimation, truncation etc ...
- Is BDP-2 DSD compatible from Ethernet input ? (Roon is streaming native DSD or DoP)

Thank's in advance.
Regards.
Volpone

First our product isn't RoonReady, we are in the early stages of development for Roon support and have simply made what we are working on available to the general public. 

Currently the display doesn't show anything, but there API does allow for it.
Nothing will ever scroll on the display of the BDP-1 or 2, support in the micro that controls the display never had that implemented.
The button are not currently able to control roon, but there API does allow for it.

As for sound quality, my boss emailed me from CES (vegas show) when I first implemented the feature saying it sounded not very good.  The protocol does seem to require quite a bit of bandwidth and/or frequent access to the network.

My A/B setup for my boss was a BDP-1 (juli@ card) running MPD hooked up to a BDA-2 via coax and BDP-2 (new IAD card) running Roon hooked up to the same BDA-2 via the second coax.  All inter connects where Bryston made interconnects and the rest of the system was single ended rca to a B60 with a pair of Grado SR125's.

With the same song playing on both units within about second of each other and James not knowing what he was listening to otherwise.  Picked the BDP-1 running MPD as his favourite each time, i would say depending on how good your system is and how critical you are that there could potentially be a pretty noticeable gap between the two.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 20 Jan 2016, 07:10 pm
Unless you place your BDP into service mode and email me the service id I really can't tell you why it isn't working.  Also the scratch drive at this point is only used to cache picture files from Tidal (assuming your using the Tidal app built into the firmware)

PM sent. Thank you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: volpone on 20 Jan 2016, 08:41 pm
Thank you @unincognito for your detailed answers.

First our product isn't RoonReady, we are in the early stages of development for Roon support and have simply made what we are working on available to the general public. 

I perfectly understand you still are in the early stage for Roon support.
This is very good from Bryston to be one of the first to support Roon via RAAT.

Quote from: unincognito
Currently the display doesn't show anything, but there API does allow for it.
Nothing will ever scroll on the display of the BDP-1 or 2, support in the micro that controls the display never had that implemented.
The button are not currently able to control roon, but there API does allow for it.

OK, so is it possible that, in a later stage, you will use Roon API to enable BDP display and buttons ? IMHO it would be positive for User Experience.

Quote from: unincognito
As for sound quality, my boss emailed me from CES (vegas show) when I first implemented the feature saying it sounded not very good.  The protocol does seem to require quite a bit of bandwidth and/or frequent access to the network.

My A/B setup for my boss was a BDP-1 (juli@ card) running MPD hooked up to a BDA-2 via coax and BDP-2 (new IAD card) running Roon hooked up to the same BDA-2 via the second coax.  All inter connects where Bryston made interconnects and the rest of the system was single ended rca to a B60 with a pair of Grado SR125's.

With the same song playing on both units within about second of each other and James not knowing what he was listening to otherwise.  Picked the BDP-1 running MPD as his favourite each time, i would say depending on how good your system is and how critical you are that there could potentially be a pretty noticeable gap between the two.

Do you talk with RoonLabs about this gap ?
Except for more network ressources required from Roon do you identify others issues in Roon and/or RAAT technical implementation VS BDP HW/SW architecture to explain the sonic differences against MPD ? Do you plan to try to bridge the gap ?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 21 Jan 2016, 02:50 pm
Chris:
 Does the "Maximum Playlist Length", in the Desktop/MPD screen, apply to a single playlist or is it looking at the number of tracks from all the playlists combined?  How large can this number be and what effect does a larger number have?

  Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jan 2016, 03:47 pm
Chris:
 Does the "Maximum Playlist Length", in the Desktop/MPD screen, apply to a single playlist or is it looking at the number of tracks from all the playlists combined?  How large can this number be and what effect does a larger number have?

  Thanks, Rich

It applies to just the current playlist and is a safety of sorts so the if someone tries to accidentally add 10,000 songs it doesn't bog the system down.  Increasing the value depends on your control interface and what version of the firmware your using.  If your running the most recent build its pretty safe to increase it to a few thousand.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jan 2016, 03:56 pm
I have barely touched it, currently the only thing i have done is added the ability to disable the software volume control and that has appeared to narrow the gap quite a bit.  At the same time MPD also had a software volume control enabled as well (to keep things as fair as possible) and still managed to edge out roon quite noticeably.  Our next firmware release, could be released as early as next Monday will contain the option to turn on/off the volume control in Roon and i'll see about getting there latest changes from roon in there as well.

Our product specialist has spoken with them, there response has been "its suppose to be bit perfect".  I suspect there is some removal of bits if there isn't enough bandwidth, but to confirm this would require some packet sniffing and analyzing and my plate is quite full at the moment.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: volpone on 21 Jan 2016, 05:22 pm
I have barely touched it, currently the only thing i have done is added the ability to disable the software volume control and that has appeared to narrow the gap quite a bit.  At the same time MPD also had a software volume control enabled as well (to keep things as fair as possible) and still managed to edge out roon quite noticeably.  Our next firmware release, could be released as early as next Monday will contain the option to turn on/off the volume control in Roon and i'll see about getting there latest changes from roon in there as well.

Thank you again Chris,
I hope some progress on the RoonLabs side. I know their "credo" is to be bitperfect and they are very confident about Bryston's excellent audio quality, so i'm a little bit disappointed if Roon sounds not as good as MPD on BDP's. But i understand it's work in progress.

Our product specialist has spoken with them, there response has been "its suppose to be bit perfect".  I suspect there is some removal of bits if there isn't enough bandwidth, but to confirm this would require some packet sniffing and analyzing and my plate is quite full at the moment.

I'm using Roon on a gigabit LAN so bandwith is not an issue ... However odd if some bits are removed !
Hope good news about Roon SQ in the next Beta BDP firmware pre-releases  :D

Last question, do you have some ETA to release official BDP "RoonReady" firmware ?

Best Regards and bravo for the works done.
Volpone.



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gustavog on 21 Jan 2016, 08:05 pm
I have barely touched it, currently the only thing i have done is added the ability to disable the software volume control and that has appeared to narrow the gap quite a bit.  At the same time MPD also had a software volume control enabled as well (to keep things as fair as possible) and still managed to edge out roon quite noticeably.  Our next firmware release, could be released as early as next Monday will contain the option to turn on/off the volume control in Roon and i'll see about getting there latest changes from roon in there as well.

Our product specialist has spoken with them, there response has been "its suppose to be bit perfect".  I suspect there is some removal of bits if there isn't enough bandwidth, but to confirm this would require some packet sniffing and analyzing and my plate is quite full at the moment.

Cheers,
Chris

After doing some A/B comparisons (I had not done them expressly before), at least on my system (and to my ears), MPD edges Roon in bass, weight and soundstage. Roon sounds a bit thin in comparison. But it is not bad at all, I would say. I have a Gigabit connection from my BDP-1 to the network. Theoretically, if it is bit perfect, should sound the same, right? If we take Roon's word on being bit perfect, what would be the reason for the difference? Timing issues?

Still, Roon is a joy to use. I hope the Roon - Bryston combination approaches the MPD quality at some point.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 21 Jan 2016, 08:55 pm
I'm playing some 192khz/24bit from a nas to my pc (roon server) to my BDP-1 just fine, i suspect you have a bottle neck somewhere.

I ran a long LAN cable to my BDP-1 and now I am playing 192/24 tracks without drop-outs. Works well. Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 21 Jan 2016, 08:56 pm
Unless you place your BDP into service mode and email me the service id I really can't tell you why it isn't working.  Also the scratch drive at this point is only used to cache picture files from Tidal (assuming your using the Tidal app built into the firmware)

Thanks for fixing my scratch drive issue.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 22 Jan 2016, 01:08 am
Thank you again Chris,
I hope some progress on the RoonLabs side. I know their "credo" is to be bitperfect and they are very confident about Bryston's excellent audio quality, so i'm a little bit disappointed if Roon sounds not as good as MPD on BDP's. But i understand it's work in progress.

I'm using Roon on a gigabit LAN so bandwith is not an issue ... However odd if some bits are removed !
Hope good news about Roon SQ in the next Beta BDP firmware pre-releases  :D

Last question, do you have some ETA to release official BDP "RoonReady" firmware ?

Best Regards and bravo for the works done.
Volpone.

Keep in mind your network isn't the only potential bottle neck.  You have from your source to the server, the server it's self, it ability to read the file, it's ability to encode the file as wav, then To the BDP, all the while making sure that everything is in sync in the event you start streaming the same content to another device.  They have all lot going on, so to say your network is gigabit, simple tells us it has enough bandwidth to transmit the content between the server and the BDP, but doesn't cover the aforementioned or the availability of the network. 

No ETA, I don't even think Roon has an ETA yet
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 22 Jan 2016, 01:09 am
Thanks for fixing my scratch drive issue.

It's not fixed fixed yet, and there was a bug
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 22 Jan 2016, 01:11 am
It's not fixed fixed yet, and there was a bug

Oh, OK... I am looking at it now and it's saying there is a scratch drive. I disabled Roon RAAT and after awhile it appeared on its own, so I thought you had been in there.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 22 Jan 2016, 06:23 pm
Oh, OK... I am looking at it now and it's saying there is a scratch drive. I disabled Roon RAAT and after awhile it appeared on its own, so I thought you had been in there.

I did set a scratch drive, but the underlying issue to allow a user to set a scratch drive had a problem
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: volpone on 22 Jan 2016, 06:28 pm
Keep in mind your network isn't the only potential bottle neck.  You have from your source to the server, the server it's self, it ability to read the file, it's ability to encode the file as wav, then To the BDP, all the while making sure that everything is in sync in the event you start streaming the same content to another device.  They have all lot going on, so to say your network is gigabit, simple tells us it has enough bandwidth to transmit the content between the server and the BDP, but doesn't cover the aforementioned or the availability of the network.
 
Yes, I agree Chris.
Roon RAAT protocol and associated SDK are new and there is perhaps some possible "tweaks" from both side.
I think it is important for Bryston and even more for RoonLabs than the first available "RoonReady" network player sounds as good as concurrent solutions.
I hope you get all support and information you need from them.

No ETA, I don't even think Roon has an ETA yet

Will be available when ready is a good ETA  :D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Jan 2016, 01:09 am
How do I get MPD to rebuild the cover art in Artist view? I accidentally copied the cover art files the BDP creates in one of my the album folders into another album's folder and Artist view was displaying the same cover art for both. I removed the incorrect album cover files but Artist view continues to show the wrong cover. Default view is showing it correctly somehow. I went into settings a number of times and enabled reset DB but that's not working.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Jan 2016, 01:35 am
I just removed the offending album folder from my NAS and reset DB and the BDP is somehow still registering the album. I do see that there is now no album art showing for that album in Artist view :D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 29 Jan 2016, 11:43 pm
So this is really pissing me off now. After I removed the album from the NAS and the BDP was still showing it I rebooted and finally the album disappeared. I then added the album back on the NAS rebooted again and the album returned but again with the wrong dang album art. The Folder.jpg in the album folder is definitely of the proper album. I noticed after the reboot that the bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg files were not being created so I created the darn things myself but still the wrong album cover shows.

Anyone know what the heck is going on?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 30 Jan 2016, 12:06 am
So this is really pissing me off now. After I removed the album from the NAS and the BDP was still showing it I rebooted and finally the album disappeared. I then added the album back on the NAS rebooted again and the album returned but again with the wrong dang album art. The Folder.jpg in the album folder is definitely of the proper album. I noticed after the reboot that the bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg files were not being created so I created the darn things myself but still the wrong album cover shows.

Anyone know what the heck is going on?
I have had this happen on various UpNP/DLAN servers. It has NOTHING to do with the hardware. You THINK you tagged it with the correct art, but I promise you the art tags are not what you think they are. When I ran into this, I retagged with XLD and it fixed it.

I could be totally off the mark, but just relaying my experience.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jan 2016, 04:20 am
So this is really pissing me off now. After I removed the album from the NAS and the BDP was still showing it I rebooted and finally the album disappeared. I then added the album back on the NAS rebooted again and the album returned but again with the wrong dang album art. The Folder.jpg in the album folder is definitely of the proper album. I noticed after the reboot that the bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg files were not being created so I created the darn things myself but still the wrong album cover shows.

Anyone know what the heck is going on?

could be in your browsers cache

also depending on whats going on the BDP will grab cover art from tag data embedded in the music file
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 30 Jan 2016, 05:20 pm
I have had this happen on various UpNP/DLAN servers. It has NOTHING to do with the hardware. You THINK you tagged it with the correct art, but I promise you the art tags are not what you think they are. When I ran into this, I retagged with XLD and it fixed it.

I could be totally off the mark, but just relaying my experience.

What is XLD?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 30 Jan 2016, 05:24 pm
could be in your browsers cache

also depending on whats going on the BDP will grab cover art from tag data embedded in the music file

I do have it set to the use tag data over file names but I'm not sure if that has anything do to with what's going on here.

So last night I deleted the offending album, re-ripped the CD, made no mistakes this time in setting the album cover but I'm still getting the wrong cover art in MM, this is in Safari.

Interestingly though in Chrome no album art is showing. This is all on my iPad and in Artist View. In Default View however the correct album art is showing in both Safari and Chrome.

What does that indicate about what's not right in Artist View?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 30 Jan 2016, 09:00 pm
What is XLD?
might be here in this google search ...
the first two links seem to be rather interesting ... pita for everyone  :?

http://tinyurl.com/z8sk6ra

Fernando.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Jan 2016, 09:45 pm
great (best..?) (free) Mac tool for ripping, converting, tagging etc etc


http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=XLD_Configuration (http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=XLD_Configuration)


Cheers,
Marius


What is XLD?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 30 Jan 2016, 09:49 pm
So what would these tools do with my tag data that my dbpoweramp can not?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Jan 2016, 09:54 pm
Hi Rod,


Wouldn't know, never used dbpoweramp. XLD is free, so that's a plus. It also handles DSD's, not sure DBpoweramp does that.
Any special requirements your looking for?


Marius




So what would these tools do with my tag data that my dbpoweramp can not?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 31 Jan 2016, 12:13 am
What is XLD?

XLD is the single best MAC ripping, tagging, converting, and transcoding tool I know of.
I also really love xACT, but sometimes it seems to NOT be able to replace art tags for some reason.
xACT does everything else you can think of too.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 31 Jan 2016, 12:13 am
great (best..?) (free) Mac tool for ripping, converting, tagging etc etc


http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=XLD_Configuration (http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=XLD_Configuration)


Cheers,
Marius

Without a doubt the best.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 31 Jan 2016, 12:14 am
So what would these tools do with my tag data that my dbpoweramp can not?

I found that not all tagging software can remove and replace embedded art.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 31 Jan 2016, 12:15 am
might be here in this google search ...
the first two links seem to be rather interesting ... pita for everyone  :?

http://tinyurl.com/z8sk6ra

Fernando.

Three year old links. XLD is simply flawless.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 31 Jan 2016, 12:26 am
XLD is simply flawless.

good to know, thank you.
'cause typing tags is truly boring, if you have to.
 :)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 31 Jan 2016, 12:30 am
good to know, thank you.
'cause typing tags is truly boring, if you have to.
 :)

I've been using it for 3 or 4 years now and never once had a problem. Typing tags is truly punishment!!!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 31 Jan 2016, 01:19 am
Hi Rod,


Wouldn't know, never used dbpoweramp. XLD is free, so that's a plus. It also handles DSD's, not sure DBpoweramp does that.
Any special requirements your looking for?


Marius

Well I guess it all comes back to the particular problem I've encountered. Since I have dbpoweramp that's what takes care of all my tag data as I rip my CD's or feel a need to edit digital downloads from say HD Tracks.

Based on what I'm seeing in MPD in that the Default View displays the artwork properly but Artist view does not, on the iPad Chrome doesn't show any artwork for the album while Safari shows the incorrect artwork I'm reluctant to believe it's a tag problem simply because one part of the MPD software/applcaition is working as expected while the other isn't. If it was a tag problem wouldn't both Artist View and default View show the same thing???

For what it's worth on my laptop which is Windows 10, Windows Media Player displays the artwork properly as does the built in audio player on my Synology NAS. There's got to be something off or screwed up in Artist View as there are to many other items that display properly.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 31 Jan 2016, 01:31 am
One thing I hadn't checked was Edge and Chrome on my Laptop. Both work the same, Default View displays the correct artwork but Artist View doesn't display anything.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 31 Jan 2016, 01:45 am
Default View displays the correct artwork but Artist View doesn't display anything.

yes, found the same here with firefox on w7 64.

i mean: Artist displaying nothing.

and if you browse from Artist to Default, and back to Artist - I have to scroll up and down to find the view i had left before.

the other thing i found by chance, and shouldn't be so, is accented characters when building a playlist: a playlist is not saved as such if you name it using an å, ñ, á, à, ö, ü, â and so on.

Fernando.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 31 Jan 2016, 02:05 am
Out of curiosity in both Chrome and Edge on my laptop I right clicked on the blank cover art in Artist View so I could view the source code and in both cases the link to the .jpg file is referring to a picture that did not exist, the bdp_front_250.jpg. MPD would normally create a bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg file when it adds the album. They were not re-created after I deleted my album and re-ripped the CD. I successfully confirmed that MPD no longer picked up the album in both Artist View and Default View after I deleted the album but before I re-ripped it. It obviously picked it up again after I re-ripped the CD but didn't re-create the images. The 2 image files did exist when the album was added initially but like I mentioned earlier I had accidently deleted them by overriding them with another albums files.

So I guess this is probably a question for Chris, how can I force MPD to re-create the bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg files that Artist view appears to be looking for? For kicks I cheated and I created the files myself and boom Artist View is now showing the correct artwork in both Chrome and Edge on my laptop. I would still like to know how to get MPD to do this on it's own though.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 31 Jan 2016, 07:09 am
I'm at work right now and can't play with my own BDP to find what I'm looking for... but isn't there a function to rebuild the database somewhere? Might that resolve the issue?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 31 Jan 2016, 01:28 pm
I'm at work right now and can't play with my own BDP to find what I'm looking for... but isn't there a function to rebuild the database somewhere? Might that resolve the issue?

I know there is the Reset or is it rebuild db option in the Settings menu (the gear icon) when in Media Player mode if that's what you are thinking of. That one definitely had no affect. There might be a more potent option somewhere else though.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 31 Jan 2016, 01:51 pm
That's what I was thinking of. :|

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 31 Jan 2016, 02:12 pm
I don't use the Album View and have the Bryston DB disabled, have been playing with it before though. Gave up in trying the album art in MM, and concentrated on playing the music...


Above experience learned that sometimes it is not clear you have to both enable the DB, click Save and then Reset DB.

Did you do both, and in that order?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136261)


Maybe first disable, Save, reset Db. Than enable again. To have a clean DB and be sure.
Personally, i always prefer an extra reboot in between as an extra  cleanup.

Marius






I know there is the Reset or is it rebuild db option in the Settings menu (the gear icon) when in Media Player mode if that's what you are thinking of. That one definitely had no affect. There might be a more potent option somewhere else though.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 31 Jan 2016, 02:36 pm
I don't use the Album View and have the Bryston DB disabled, have been playing with it before though. Gave up in trying the album art in MM, and concentrated on playing the music...


Above experience learned that sometimes it is not clear you have to both enable the DB, click Save and then Reset DB.

Did you do both, and in that order?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136261)


Maybe first disable, Save, reset Db. Than enable again. To have a clean DB and be sure.
Personally, i always prefer an extra reboot in between as an extra  cleanup.

Marius

hmm, I never did disable and re-enable but was saving after I reset. I can give that a try and see if MPD will re-create the 2 image files, I'll just have to remember to remove the 2 I manually created.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 31 Jan 2016, 03:06 pm
Well that didn't work to well. I'm now getting a message saying Bryston DB crash detected. I initialed a reboot via MPD but that didn't seem to have any affect :(
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 31 Jan 2016, 03:12 pm
OK it's back, phew, the messages in Media Player didn't say it was rebuilding the db. So everything is up and running but the 2 image folders still did not get re-created :D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 31 Jan 2016, 05:14 pm
yep, patience is a good thing, rebuilding sometimes takes a while, more with a bigger library..


if not, at least you're sure its not you now ;-) Maybe Chris can help.


Marius


OK it's back, phew, the messages in Media Player didn't say it was rebuilding the db. So everything is up and running but the 2 image folders still did not get re-created :D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 1 Feb 2016, 01:14 am
OK it's back, phew, the messages in Media Player didn't say it was rebuilding the db. So everything is up and running but the 2 image folders still did not get re-created :D

rebuilding database n%, n+1%, n+2% info can be read under Artist View only ... unless I'm wrong ...
it would be nice to get to know it is doing so wherever in the MPlayer ... it took me several 'phew' to learn such.

and no ... it did not make my previous missing graphic files to appear ...  :|
(never deleted nor created a missing file)

Fernando
Title: Sharply crashing on S2.22 2016-01-11
Post by: RonCH on 1 Feb 2016, 07:10 pm
Hi Chris,

I think that shareplay is crashing since I installed S2.22 2016-01-11.  After a restart of the BDP-1 shareplay isn't running. 

The System Log is below.  I don't know if that helps.

regards

Ron


[ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset
[ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu
[ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuacct
[ 0.000000] Linux version 3.16-0.bpo.2-486 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14) ) #1 Debian 3.16.3-2~bpo70+1 (2014-09-21)
[ 0.000000] e820: BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0000000000000000-0x000000000009e7ff] usable
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x000000000009e800-0x000000000009ffff] reserved
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x00000000000f0000-0x00000000000fffff] reserved
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0000000000100000-0x000000000f7affff] usable
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x000000000f7b0000-0x000000000f7b2fff] ACPI NVS
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x000000000f7b3000-0x000000000f7bffff] ACPI data
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x00000000ffff0000-0x00000000ffffffff] reserved
[ 0.000000] Notice: NX (Execute Disable) protection missing in CPU!
[ 0.000000] DMI not present or invalid.
[ 0.000000] e820: update [mem 0x00000000-0x00000fff] usable ==> reserved
[ 0.000000] e820: remove [mem 0x000a0000-0x000fffff] usable
[ 0.000000] e820: last_pfn = 0xf7b0 max_arch_pfn = 0x100000
[ 0.000000] initial memory mapped: [mem 0x00000000-0x01bfffff]
[ 0.000000] Base memory trampoline at [c009a000] 9a000 size 16384
[ 0.000000] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x00000000-0x000fffff]
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x00000000-0x000fffff] page 4k
[ 0.000000] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x0e400000-0x0e7fffff]
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x0e400000-0x0e7fffff] page 2M
[ 0.000000] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x08000000-0x0e3fffff]
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x08000000-0x0e3fffff] page 2M
[ 0.000000] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x00100000-0x07ffffff]
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x00100000-0x003fffff] page 4k
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x00400000-0x07ffffff] page 2M
[ 0.000000] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x0e800000-0x0f7affff]
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x0e800000-0x0f3fffff] page 2M
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x0f400000-0x0f7affff] page 4k
[ 0.000000] BRK [0x01727000, 0x01727fff] PGTABLE
[ 0.000000] RAMDISK: [mem 0x0ea23000-0x0f79ffff]
[ 0.000000] ACPI: Early table checksum verification disabled
[ 0.000000] ACPI: RSDP 0x000F6140 000014 (v00 AMDGX3)
[ 0.000000] ACPI: RSDT 0x0F7B3040 000028 (v01 AMDGX3 AWRDACPI 42302E31 AWRD 00000000)
[ 0.000000] ACPI: FACP 0x0F7B30C0 000074 (v01 AMDGX3 AWRDACPI 42302E31 AWRD 00000000)
[ 0.000000] ACPI BIOS Warning (bug): Invalid length for FADT/Pm2ControlBlock: 16, using default 8 (20140424/tbfadt-699)
[ 0.000000] ACPI: DSDT 0x0F7B3180 002B6E (v01 AMDGX3 AWRDACPI 00001000 MSFT 03000000)
[ 0.000000] ACPI: FACS 0x0F7B0000 000040
[ 0.000000] 0MB HIGHMEM available.
[ 0.000000] 247MB LOWMEM available.
[ 0.000000] mapped low ram: 0 - 0f7b0000
[ 0.000000] low ram: 0 - 0f7b0000
[ 0.000000] BRK [0x01728000, 0x01728fff] PGTABLE
[ 0.000000] Zone ranges:
[ 0.000000] DMA [mem 0x00001000-0x00ffffff]
[ 0.000000] Normal [mem 0x01000000-0x0f7affff]
[ 0.000000] HighMem empty
[ 0.000000] Movable zone start for each node
[ 0.000000] Early memory node ranges
[ 0.000000] node 0: [mem 0x00001000-0x0009dfff]
[ 0.000000] node 0: [mem 0x00100000-0x0f7affff]
[ 0.000000] On node 0 totalpages: 63309
[ 0.000000] free_area_init_node: node 0, pgdat c15ffe20, node_mem_map ce833020
[ 0.000000] DMA zone: 32 pages used for memmap
[ 0.000000] DMA zone: 0 pages reserved
[ 0.000000] DMA zone: 3997 pages, LIFO batch:0
[ 0.000000] Normal zone: 464 pages used for memmap
[ 0.000000] Normal zone: 59312 pages, LIFO batch:15
[ 0.000000] Using APIC driver default
[ 0.000000] ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x9c10
[ 0.000000] No local APIC present or hardware disabled
[ 0.000000] APIC: disable apic facility
[ 0.000000] APIC: switched to apic NOOP
[ 0.000000] nr_irqs_gsi: 16
[ 0.000000] PM: Registered nosave memory: [mem 0x0009e000-0x0009efff]
[ 0.000000] PM: Registered nosave memory: [mem 0x0009f000-0x0009ffff]
[ 0.000000] PM: Registered nosave memory: [mem 0x000a0000-0x000effff]
[ 0.000000] PM: Registered nosave memory: [mem 0x000f0000-0x000fffff]
[ 0.000000] e820: [mem 0x0f7c0000-0xfffeffff] available for PCI devices
[ 0.000000] Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware
[ 0.000000] pcpu-alloc: s0 r0 d32768 u32768 alloc=1*32768
[ 0.000000] pcpu-alloc:
[ 0.000000] Built 1 zonelists in Zone order, mobility grouping on. Total pages: 62813
[ 0.000000] Kernel command line: boot=live noautologin noxautologin nouser debug nolocales quickreboot username=root hostname=bryston-bdp-1 union=aufs console=tty0
[ 0.000000] PID hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 0.000000] Dentry cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
[ 0.000000] Inode-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
[ 0.000000] Initializing CPU#0
[ 0.000000] Initializing HighMem for node 0 (00000000:00000000)
[ 0.000000] Memory: 229780K/253236K available (4314K kernel code, 504K rwdata, 1384K rodata, 668K init, 412K bss, 23456K reserved, 0K highmem)
[ 0.000000] virtual kernel memory layout:
[ 0.000000] fixmap : 0xfffa2000 - 0xfffff000 ( 372 kB)
[ 0.000000] pkmap : 0xff800000 - 0xffc00000 (4096 kB)
[ 0.000000] vmalloc : 0xcffb0000 - 0xff7fe000 ( 760 MB)
[ 0.000000] lowmem : 0xc0000000 - 0xcf7b0000 ( 247 MB)
[ 0.000000] .init : 0xc1612000 - 0xc16b9000 ( 668 kB)
[ 0.000000] .data : 0xc1436f2f - 0xc1610180 (1892 kB)
[ 0.000000] .text : 0xc1000000 - 0xc1436f2f (4315 kB)
[ 0.000000] Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode...Ok.
[ 0.000000] NR_IRQS:2304 nr_irqs:256 16
[ 0.000000] CPU 0 irqstacks, hard=ce406000 soft=ce408000
[ 0.000000] Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
[ 0.000000] console [tty0] enabled
[ 0.000000] tsc: Fast TSC calibration using PIT
[ 0.000000] tsc: Detected 498.059 MHz processor
[ 0.004023] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value calculated using timer frequency.. 996.11 BogoMIPS (lpj=1992236)
[ 0.004160] pid_max: default: 32768 minimum: 301
[ 0.004277] ACPI: Core revision 20140424
[ 0.025099] ACPI: All ACPI Tables successfully acquired
[ 0.025256] ACPI: setting ELCR to 0200 (from 0c20)
[ 0.028217] Security Framework initialized
[ 0.028321] AppArmor: AppArmor disabled by boot time parameter
[ 0.028393] Yama: disabled by default; enable with sysctl kernel.yama.*
[ 0.028522] Mount-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 0.028602] Mountpoint-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 0.029889] Initializing cgroup subsys memory
[ 0.029980] Initializing cgroup subsys devices
[ 0.032059] Initializing cgroup subsys freezer
[ 0.032140] Initializing cgroup subsys net_cls
[ 0.032238] Initializing cgroup subsys blkio
[ 0.032328] Initializing cgroup subsys perf_event
[ 0.032404] Initializing cgroup subsys net_prio
[ 0.032583] Last level iTLB entries: 4KB 0, 2MB 0, 4MB 0
[ 0.032583] Last level dTLB entries: 4KB 0, 2MB 0, 4MB 0, 1GB 0
[ 0.032583] tlb_flushall_shift: -1
[ 0.032704] CPU: Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS (fam: 05, model: 0a, stepping: 02)
[ 0.039577] ftrace: allocating 19617 entries in 39 pages
[ 0.088340] Performance Events: no PMU driver, software events only.
[ 0.102791] NMI watchdog: disabled (cpu0): hardware events not enabled
[ 0.103234] devtmpfs: initialized
[ 0.104910] PM: Registering ACPI NVS region [mem 0x0f7b0000-0x0f7b2fff] (12288 bytes)
[ 0.116328] pinctrl core: initialized pinctrl subsystem
[ 0.116840] NET: Registered protocol family 16
[ 0.117991] EISA bus registered
[ 0.118061] cpuidle: using governor ladder
[ 0.118131] cpuidle: using governor menu
[ 0.118924] ACPI: bus type PCI registered
[ 0.118989] acpiphp: ACPI Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver version: 0.5
[ 0.120602] PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfa990, last bus=0
[ 0.120674] PCI: Using configuration type 1 for base access
[ 0.128247] ACPI: Added _OSI(Module Device)
[ 0.128321] ACPI: Added _OSI(Processor Device)
[ 0.128387] ACPI: Added _OSI(3.0 _SCP Extensions)
[ 0.128454] ACPI: Added _OSI(Processor Aggregator Device)
[ 0.145954] ACPI: Interpreter enabled
[ 0.146037] ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, While evaluating Sleep State [\_S1_] (20140424/hwxface-580)
[ 0.146209] ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, While evaluating Sleep State [\_S2_] (20140424/hwxface-580)
[ 0.146377] ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, While evaluating Sleep State [\_S3_] (20140424/hwxface-580)
[ 0.146557] ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, While evaluating Sleep State [\_S4_] (20140424/hwxface-580)
[ 0.146745] ACPI: (supports S0 S5)
[ 0.146809] ACPI: Using PIC for interrupt routing
[ 0.146988] PCI: Using host bridge windows from ACPI; if necessary, use "pci=nocrs" and report a bug
[ 0.171781] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (domain 0000 [bus 00-ff])
[ 0.171885] acpi PNP0A03:00: _OSC: OS supports [ASPM ClockPM Segments MSI]
[ 0.171983] acpi PNP0A03:00: _OSC failed (AE_NOT_FOUND); disabling ASPM
[ 0.172577] acpi PNP0A03:00: fail to add MMCONFIG information, can't access extended PCI configuration space under this bridge.
[ 0.173576] PCI host bridge to bus 0000:00
[ 0.173662] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [bus 00-ff]
[ 0.173738] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [io 0x0000-0x0cf7]
[ 0.173815] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [io 0x0d00-0xac17]
[ 0.173898] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [io 0xac20-0xffff]
[ 0.173976] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [mem 0x000a0000-0x000bffff]
[ 0.174056] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [mem 0x000c8000-0x000dffff]
[ 0.174135] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [mem 0x0f7c0000-0xfebfffff]
[ 0.174337] pci 0000:00:01.0: [1022:2080] type 00 class 0x060000
[ 0.174543] pci 0000:00:01.0: reg 0x10: [io 0xac1c-0xac1f]
[ 0.174714] pci 0000:00:01.0: reg 0x14: [io 0x9e00-0x9e07]
[ 0.176062] pci 0000:00:01.1: [1022:2081] type 00 class 0x030000
[ 0.176420] pci 0000:00:01.1: reg 0x10: [mem 0xee000000-0xeeffffff]
[ 0.176693] pci 0000:00:01.1: reg 0x14: [mem 0xefff0000-0xefff3fff]
[ 0.176966] pci 0000:00:01.1: reg 0x18: [mem 0xeffec000-0xeffeffff]
[ 0.177237] pci 0000:00:01.1: reg 0x1c: [mem 0xeffe8000-0xeffebfff]
[ 0.177508] pci 0000:00:01.1: reg 0x20: [mem 0xefff8000-0xefffbfff]
[ 0.178714] pci 0000:00:01.2: [1022:2082] type 00 class 0x101000
[ 0.179029] pci 0000:00:01.2: reg 0x10: [mem 0xefff4000-0xefff7fff]
[ 0.180865] pci 0000:00:0c.0: [1412:1724] type 00 class 0x040100
[ 0.180965] pci 0000:00:0c.0: reg 0x10: [io 0xff00-0xff1f]
[ 0.181049] pci 0000:00:0c.0: reg 0x14: [io 0xfe00-0xfe7f]
[ 0.181199] pci 0000:00:0c.0: supports D2
[ 0.181414] pci 0000:00:0c.0: System wakeup disabled by ACPI
[ 0.181912] pci 0000:00:0d.0: [1106:3053] type 00 class 0x020000
[ 0.182009] pci 0000:00:0d.0: reg 0x10: [io 0xfa00-0xfaff]
[ 0.182095] pci 0000:00:0d.0: reg 0x14: [mem 0xeffff000-0xeffff0ff]
[ 0.182248] pci 0000:00:0d.0: supports D1 D2
[ 0.182320] pci 0000:00:0d.0: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold
[ 0.182997] pci 0000:00:0d.0: System wakeup disabled by ACPI
[ 0.183570] pci 0000:00:0f.0: [1022:2090] type 00 class 0x060100
[ 0.183947] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 0x10: [io 0x6000-0x6007]
[ 0.184266] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 0x14: [io 0x6100-0x61ff]
[ 0.184586] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 0x18: [io 0x6200-0x623f]
[ 0.184907] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 0x1c: [io 0x0000-0x001f]
[ 0.185232] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 0x20: [io 0x9d00-0x9d7f]
[ 0.185570] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 0x24: [io 0x9c00-0x9c3f]
[ 0.186659] pci 0000:00:0f.2: [1022:209a] type 00 class 0x010180
[ 0.187686] pci 0000:00:0f.2: reg 0x20: [io 0xfd00-0xfd0f]
[ 0.188209] pci 0000:00:0f.2: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x10: [io 0x01f0-0x01f7]
[ 0.188289] pci 0000:00:0f.2: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x14: [io 0x03f6]
[ 0.188367] pci 0000:00:0f.2: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x18: [io 0x0170-0x0177]
[ 0.188446] pci 0000:00:0f.2: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x1c: [io 0x0376]
[ 0.189313] pci 0000:00:0f.4: [1022:2094] type 00 class 0x0c0310
[ 0.189777] pci 0000:00:0f.4: reg 0x10: [mem 0xefffe000-0xefffefff]
[ 0.191444] pci 0000:00:0f.4: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold
[ 0.191800] pci 0000:00:0f.4: System wakeup disabled by ACPI
[ 0.192488] pci 0000:00:0f.5: [1022:2095] type 00 class 0x0c0320
[ 0.192906] pci 0000:00:0f.5: reg 0x10: [mem 0xefffd000-0xefffdfff]
[ 0.194557] pci 0000:00:0f.5: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold
[ 0.194914] pci 0000:00:0f.5: System wakeup disabled by ACPI
[ 0.195452] pci_bus 0000:00: on NUMA node 0
[ 0.196714] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 5 *10 11)
[ 0.197836] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 5 10 *11)
[ 0.198928] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 5 10 11) *0
[ 0.200107] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 5 10 11) *0
[ 0.205012] ACPI: Enabled 1 GPEs in block 00 to 1F
[ 0.205758] vgaarb: device added: PCI:0000:00:01.1,decodes=io+mem,owns=io+mem,locks=none
[ 0.205848] vgaarb: loaded
[ 0.205907] vgaarb: bridge control possible 0000:00:01.1
[ 0.206471] PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing
[ 0.206538] PCI: pci_cache_line_size set to 32 bytes
[ 0.206647] pci 0000:00:01.0: can't claim BAR 0 [io 0xac1c-0xac1f]: no compatible bridge window
[ 0.207102] e820: reserve RAM buffer [mem 0x0009e800-0x0009ffff]
[ 0.207175] e820: reserve RAM buffer [mem 0x0f7b0000-0x0fffffff]
[ 0.208635] Switched to clocksource pit
[ 0.250240] pnp: PnP ACPI init
[ 0.250428] ACPI: bus type PNP registered
[ 0.251175] system 00:00: [mem 0x000f0000-0x000fffff] could not be reserved
[ 0.251262] system 00:00: [mem 0x0f7b0000-0x0f7bffff] could not be reserved
[ 0.251345] system 00:00: [mem 0xffff0000-0xffffffff] has been reserved
[ 0.251485] system 00:00: [mem 0x00000000-0x0009ffff] could not be reserved
[ 0.251568] system 00:00: [mem 0x00100000-0x0f7affff] could not be reserved
[ 0.251650] system 00:00: [mem 0xfee00000-0xfee00fff] has been reserved
[ 0.251734] system 00:00: Plug and Play ACPI device, IDs PNP0c01 (active)
[ 0.253173] pnp 00:01: disabling [io 0x0010-0x001f] because it overlaps 0000:00:0f.0 BAR 3 [io 0x0000-0x001f]
[ 0.253575] system 00:01: [io 0x0b78-0x0b7b] has been reserved
[ 0.253656] system 00:01: [io 0x0f78-0x0f7b] has been reserved
[ 0.253735] system 00:01: [io 0x0a78-0x0a7b] has been reserved
[ 0.253814] system 00:01: [io 0x0e78-0x0e7b] has been reserved
[ 0.253893] system 00:01: [io 0x0bbc-0x0bbf] has been reserved
[ 0.253972] system 00:01: [io 0x0fbc-0x0fbf] has been reserved
[ 0.254050] system 00:01: [io 0x04d0-0x04d1] has been reserved
[ 0.254131] system 00:01: Plug and Play ACPI device, IDs PNP0c02 (active)
[ 0.254487] pnp 00:02: Plug and Play ACPI device, IDs PNP0b00 (active)
[ 0.257085] pnp 00:03: Plug and Play ACPI device, IDs PNP0501 (active)
[ 0.258534] pnp 00:04: Plug and Play ACPI device, IDs PNP0501 (active)
[ 0.260719] pnp 00:05: Plug and Play ACPI device, IDs PNP0400 (active)
[ 0.261388] pnp: PnP ACPI: found 6 devices
[ 0.261453] ACPI: bus type PNP unregistered
[ 0.261533] PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP
[ 0.311927] Switched to clocksource acpi_pm
[ 0.312070] pci 0000:00:0f.0: BAR 3: assigned [io 0x1000-0x101f]
[ 0.312219] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 4 [io 0x0000-0x0cf7]
[ 0.312295] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 5 [io 0x0d00-0xac17]
[ 0.312371] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 6 [io 0xac20-0xffff]
[ 0.312448] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 7 [mem 0x000a0000-0x000bffff]
[ 0.312526] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 8 [mem 0x000c8000-0x000dffff]
[ 0.312605] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 9 [mem 0x0f7c0000-0xfebfffff]
[ 0.312794] NET: Registered protocol family 2
[ 0.314543] TCP established hash table entries: 2048 (order: 1, 8192 bytes)
[ 0.314655] TCP bind hash table entries: 2048 (order: 1, 8192 bytes)
[ 0.314756] TCP: Hash tables configured (established 2048 bind 2048)
[ 0.314926] TCP: reno registered
[ 0.314992] UDP hash table entries: 256 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 0.315076] UDP-Lite hash table entries: 256 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 0.315435] NET: Registered protocol family 1
[ 0.315660] pci 0000:00:01.1: Boot video device
[ 0.318207] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] BIOS reported IRQ 0, using IRQ 11
[ 0.318285] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at IRQ 11
[ 0.318353] PCI: setting IRQ 11 as level-triggered
[ 0.389007] PCI: CLS 32 bytes, default 32
[ 0.389372] Unpacking initramfs...
[ 2.986208] Freeing initrd memory: 13812K (cea23000 - cf7a0000)
[ 2.987025] microcode: AMD CPU family 0x5 not supported
[ 2.989321] futex hash table entries: 256 (order: -1, 3072 bytes)
[ 2.989510] audit: initializing netlink subsys (disabled)
[ 2.989645] audit: type=2000 audit(1454350359.987:1): initialized
[ 2.991231] HugeTLB registered 4 MB page size, pre-allocated 0 pages
[ 2.991417] zbud: loaded
[ 2.991751] VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.2
[ 2.991861] Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 2.992225] msgmni has been set to 475
[ 2.994266] alg: No test for stdrng (krng)
[ 2.994461] Block layer SCSI generic (bsg) driver version 0.4 loaded (major 252)
[ 2.994767] io scheduler noop registered
[ 2.994851] io scheduler deadline registered
[ 2.995165] io scheduler cfq registered (default)
[ 2.995961] pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5
[ 2.996247] pciehp: PCI Express Hot Plug Controller Driver version: 0.4
[ 2.996916] GHES: HEST is not enabled!
[ 2.997109] isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
[ 3.352397] isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
[ 3.352766] Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled
[ 3.373682] 00:03: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4, base_baud = 115200) is a 16550A
[ 3.394796] 00:04: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3, base_baud = 115200) is a 16550A
[ 3.397047] Linux agpgart interface v0.103
[ 3.398759] i8042: PNP: No PS/2 controller found. Probing ports directly.
[ 3.401599] serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
[ 3.401683] serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
[ 3.402809] mousedev: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[ 3.403847] rtc_cmos 00:02: RTC can wake from S4
[ 3.404477] rtc_cmos 00:02: rtc core: registered rtc_cmos as rtc0
[ 3.404603] rtc_cmos 00:02: alarms up to one day, 242 bytes nvram
[ 3.405033] platform eisa.0: Probing EISA bus 0
[ 3.405108] platform eisa.0: EISA: Cannot allocate resource for mainboard
[ 3.405189] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 1
[ 3.405267] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 2
[ 3.405345] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 3
[ 3.405423] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 4
[ 3.405501] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 5
[ 3.405579] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 6
[ 3.405657] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 7
[ 3.405735] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 8
[ 3.405811] platform eisa.0: EISA: Detected 0 cards
[ 3.405898] ledtrig-cpu: registered to indicate activity on CPUs
[ 3.406805] TCP: cubic registered
[ 3.406927] NET: Registered protocol family 10
[ 3.408167] mip6: Mobile IPv6
[ 3.408249] NET: Registered protocol family 17
[ 3.408351] mpls_gso: MPLS GSO support
[ 3.408762] Using IPI Shortcut mode
[ 3.409682] registered taskstats version 1
[ 3.411303] rtc_cmos 00:02: setting system clock to 2016-02-01 18:12:40 UTC (1454350360)
[ 3.411749] PM: Hibernation image not present or could not be loaded.
[ 3.412914] Freeing unused kernel memory: 668K (c1612000 - c16b9000)
[ 3.413071] Write protecting the kernel text: 4316k
[ 3.413375] Write protecting the kernel read-only data: 1388k
[ 3.486001] udevd[49]: starting version 175
[ 3.688736] via_rhine: v1.10-LK1.5.1 2010-10-09 Written by Donald Becker
[ 3.691147] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 11
[ 3.812470] via-rhine 0000:00:0d.0 eth0: VIA Rhine III (Management Adapter) at 0x1fa00, 00:0d:b9:0d:ca:44, IRQ 11
[ 3.813351] via-rhine 0000:00:0d.0 eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x7869 advertising 05e1 Link cde1
[ 3.821953] SCSI subsystem initialized
[ 3.899407] ACPI: bus type USB registered
[ 3.899729] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
[ 3.899900] usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
[ 3.908226] usbcore: registered new device driver usb
[ 3.919127] ehci_hcd: USB 2.0 'Enhanced' Host Controller (EHCI) Driver
[ 3.947509] ehci-pci: EHCI PCI platform driver
[ 3.953863] ohci_hcd: USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver
[ 3.955155] ohci-pci: OHCI PCI platform driver
[ 3.980303] ehci-pci 0000:00:0f.5: EHCI Host Controller
[ 3.980425] ehci-pci 0000:00:0f.5: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
[ 3.980828] ehci-pci 0000:00:0f.5: irq 11, io mem 0xefffd000
[ 3.984125] tsc: Refined TSC clocksource calibration: 498.050 MHz
[ 3.992137] ehci-pci 0000:00:0f.5: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00
[ 3.992472] usb usb1: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0002
[ 3.992553] usb usb1: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[ 3.992637] usb usb1: Product: EHCI Host Controller
[ 3.992708] usb usb1: Manufacturer: Linux 3.16-0.bpo.2-486 ehci_hcd
[ 3.992785] usb usb1: SerialNumber: 0000:00:0f.5
[ 4.006681] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 4.006801] hub 1-0:1.0: 4 ports detected
[ 4.030647] ohci-pci 0000:00:0f.4: OHCI PCI host controller
[ 4.030762] ohci-pci 0000:00:0f.4: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
[ 4.031379] ohci-pci 0000:00:0f.4: irq 11, io mem 0xefffe000
[ 4.050936] libata version 3.00 loaded.
[ 4.103204] usb usb2: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0001
[ 4.103297] usb usb2: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[ 4.103381] usb usb2: Product: OHCI PCI host controller
[ 4.103453] usb usb2: Manufacturer: Linux 3.16-0.bpo.2-486 ohci_hcd
[ 4.103528] usb usb2: SerialNumber: 0000:00:0f.4
[ 4.107871] hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 4.109903] hub 2-0:1.0: 4 ports detected
[ 4.115137] pata_amd 0000:00:0f.2: version 0.4.1
[ 4.127712] scsi0 : pata_amd
[ 4.137090] scsi1 : pata_amd
[ 4.137672] ata1: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x1f0 ctl 0x3f6 bmdma 0xfd00 irq 14
[ 4.137749] ata2: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xfd08 irq 15
[ 4.308408] ata1.00: CFA: ELITE PRO CF CARD 4GB, 20091113, max UDMA/66
[ 4.308497] ata1.00: 7847280 sectors, multi 0: LBA
[ 4.316121] usb 1-3: new high-speed USB device number 2 using ehci-pci
[ 4.324369] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/66
[ 4.324889] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ELITE PRO CF CAR 1113 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[ 4.327369] ata2: port disabled--ignoring
[ 4.374086] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 7847280 512-byte logical blocks: (4.01 GB/3.74 GiB)
[ 4.374445] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[ 4.374528] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[ 4.374713] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[ 4.378553] sda: sda1 sda2
[ 4.381145] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
[ 4.392817] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
[ 4.578567] usb 1-3: New USB device found, idVendor=058f, idProduct=6387
[ 4.578662] usb 1-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[ 4.578745] usb 1-3: Product: Mass Storage
[ 4.578817] usb 1-3: Manufacturer: Generic
[ 4.578891] usb 1-3: SerialNumber: AMC00000003000002593
[ 4.607543] usb-storage 1-3:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
[ 4.607922] scsi2 : usb-storage 1-3:1.0
[ 4.608660] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[ 4.988105] Switched to clocksource tsc
[ 5.084475] FAT-fs (sda1): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
[ 5.155337] aufs: module is from the staging directory, the quality is unknown, you have been warned.
[ 5.164566] aufs 3.16-20140908
[ 5.288385] loop: module loaded
[ 5.609130] scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access Flash Drive AU USB20 8.20 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
[ 5.614051] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] 31883264 512-byte logical blocks: (16.3 GB/15.2 GiB)
[ 5.614907] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[ 5.615049] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[ 5.615940] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
[ 5.616125] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[ 5.624719] sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
[ 5.872653] squashfs: version 4.0 (2009/01/31) Phillip Lougher
[ 5.910527] aufs test_add:305:busybox[262]: uid/gid/perm //filesystem.squashfs/ 113/117/0755, 0/0/0755
[ 6.042093] sdb: sdb1
[ 6.051043] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
[ 6.339993] random: nonblocking pool is initialized
[ 9.532979] udevd[570]: starting version 175
[ 10.086299] AMD Geode RNG detected
[ 10.188392] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x00006100-0x000061ff conflicts with OpRegion 0x00006100-0x000061ff (\_SB_.GPIO) (20140424/utaddress-258)
[ 10.188593] ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
[ 10.188817] cs5535-mfd 0000:00:0f.0: MFD add devices failed: -16
[ 10.188938] cs5535-mfd: probe of 0000:00:0f.0 failed with error -16
[ 10.208828] input: Power Button as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input2
[ 10.208933] ACPI: Power Button [PWRF]
[ 10.236674] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] enabled at IRQ 10
[ 10.236759] PCI: setting IRQ 10 as level-triggered
[ 10.237271] lxfb 0000:00:01.1: 8192 KB of video memory at 0xee000000
[ 10.337040] ACPI: AC Adapter [AC] (on-line)
[ 10.700542] fbcon: Geode LX (fb0) is primary device
[ 10.711144] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30
[ 10.720281] fb0: Geode LX frame buffer device
[ 10.773156] parport_pc 00:05: reported by Plug and Play ACPI
[ 10.773511] parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE]
[ 10.979110] input: PC Speaker as /devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input3
[ 11.252173] Geode LX AES 0000:00:01.2: GEODE AES engine enabled.
[ 12.178682] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] BIOS reported IRQ 0, using IRQ 10
[ 12.179044] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] enabled at IRQ 10
[ 12.235143] snd_ice1724 0000:00:0c.0: juli@: analog I/O detected
[ 39.982290] FAT-fs (sda2): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
[ 40.015092] FAT-fs (sda2): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[ 42.074983] FAT-fs (sdb1): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
[ 42.107895] FAT-fs (sdb1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.

Title: Re: Sharply crashing on S2.22 2016-01-11
Post by: RonCH on 1 Feb 2016, 07:28 pm
Hi Chris,

I think that shareplay is crashing since I installed S2.22 2016-01-11.  After a restart of the BDP-1 shareplay isn't running. 

The System Log is below.  I don't know if that helps.

regards

Ron


[ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset
[ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu
[ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuacct
[ 0.000000] Linux version 3.16-0.bpo.2-486 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14) ) #1 Debian 3.16.3-2~bpo70+1 (2014-09-21)
[ 0.000000] e820: BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0000000000000000-0x000000000009e7ff] usable
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x000000000009e800-0x000000000009ffff] reserved
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x00000000000f0000-0x00000000000fffff] reserved
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0000000000100000-0x000000000f7affff] usable
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x000000000f7b0000-0x000000000f7b2fff] ACPI NVS
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x000000000f7b3000-0x000000000f7bffff] ACPI data
[ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x00000000ffff0000-0x00000000ffffffff] reserved
[ 0.000000] Notice: NX (Execute Disable) protection missing in CPU!
[ 0.000000] DMI not present or invalid.
[ 0.000000] e820: update [mem 0x00000000-0x00000fff] usable ==> reserved
[ 0.000000] e820: remove [mem 0x000a0000-0x000fffff] usable
[ 0.000000] e820: last_pfn = 0xf7b0 max_arch_pfn = 0x100000
[ 0.000000] initial memory mapped: [mem 0x00000000-0x01bfffff]
[ 0.000000] Base memory trampoline at [c009a000] 9a000 size 16384
[ 0.000000] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x00000000-0x000fffff]
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x00000000-0x000fffff] page 4k
[ 0.000000] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x0e400000-0x0e7fffff]
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x0e400000-0x0e7fffff] page 2M
[ 0.000000] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x08000000-0x0e3fffff]
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x08000000-0x0e3fffff] page 2M
[ 0.000000] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x00100000-0x07ffffff]
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x00100000-0x003fffff] page 4k
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x00400000-0x07ffffff] page 2M
[ 0.000000] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x0e800000-0x0f7affff]
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x0e800000-0x0f3fffff] page 2M
[ 0.000000] [mem 0x0f400000-0x0f7affff] page 4k
[ 0.000000] BRK [0x01727000, 0x01727fff] PGTABLE
[ 0.000000] RAMDISK: [mem 0x0ea23000-0x0f79ffff]
[ 0.000000] ACPI: Early table checksum verification disabled
[ 0.000000] ACPI: RSDP 0x000F6140 000014 (v00 AMDGX3)
[ 0.000000] ACPI: RSDT 0x0F7B3040 000028 (v01 AMDGX3 AWRDACPI 42302E31 AWRD 00000000)
[ 0.000000] ACPI: FACP 0x0F7B30C0 000074 (v01 AMDGX3 AWRDACPI 42302E31 AWRD 00000000)
[ 0.000000] ACPI BIOS Warning (bug): Invalid length for FADT/Pm2ControlBlock: 16, using default 8 (20140424/tbfadt-699)
[ 0.000000] ACPI: DSDT 0x0F7B3180 002B6E (v01 AMDGX3 AWRDACPI 00001000 MSFT 03000000)
[ 0.000000] ACPI: FACS 0x0F7B0000 000040
[ 0.000000] 0MB HIGHMEM available.
[ 0.000000] 247MB LOWMEM available.
[ 0.000000] mapped low ram: 0 - 0f7b0000
[ 0.000000] low ram: 0 - 0f7b0000
[ 0.000000] BRK [0x01728000, 0x01728fff] PGTABLE
[ 0.000000] Zone ranges:
[ 0.000000] DMA [mem 0x00001000-0x00ffffff]
[ 0.000000] Normal [mem 0x01000000-0x0f7affff]
[ 0.000000] HighMem empty
[ 0.000000] Movable zone start for each node
[ 0.000000] Early memory node ranges
[ 0.000000] node 0: [mem 0x00001000-0x0009dfff]
[ 0.000000] node 0: [mem 0x00100000-0x0f7affff]
[ 0.000000] On node 0 totalpages: 63309
[ 0.000000] free_area_init_node: node 0, pgdat c15ffe20, node_mem_map ce833020
[ 0.000000] DMA zone: 32 pages used for memmap
[ 0.000000] DMA zone: 0 pages reserved
[ 0.000000] DMA zone: 3997 pages, LIFO batch:0
[ 0.000000] Normal zone: 464 pages used for memmap
[ 0.000000] Normal zone: 59312 pages, LIFO batch:15
[ 0.000000] Using APIC driver default
[ 0.000000] ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x9c10
[ 0.000000] No local APIC present or hardware disabled
[ 0.000000] APIC: disable apic facility
[ 0.000000] APIC: switched to apic NOOP
[ 0.000000] nr_irqs_gsi: 16
[ 0.000000] PM: Registered nosave memory: [mem 0x0009e000-0x0009efff]
[ 0.000000] PM: Registered nosave memory: [mem 0x0009f000-0x0009ffff]
[ 0.000000] PM: Registered nosave memory: [mem 0x000a0000-0x000effff]
[ 0.000000] PM: Registered nosave memory: [mem 0x000f0000-0x000fffff]
[ 0.000000] e820: [mem 0x0f7c0000-0xfffeffff] available for PCI devices
[ 0.000000] Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware
[ 0.000000] pcpu-alloc: s0 r0 d32768 u32768 alloc=1*32768
[ 0.000000] pcpu-alloc:
  • 0

[ 0.000000] Built 1 zonelists in Zone order, mobility grouping on. Total pages: 62813
[ 0.000000] Kernel command line: boot=live noautologin noxautologin nouser debug nolocales quickreboot username=root hostname=bryston-bdp-1 union=aufs console=tty0
[ 0.000000] PID hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 0.000000] Dentry cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
[ 0.000000] Inode-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
[ 0.000000] Initializing CPU#0
[ 0.000000] Initializing HighMem for node 0 (00000000:00000000)
[ 0.000000] Memory: 229780K/253236K available (4314K kernel code, 504K rwdata, 1384K rodata, 668K init, 412K bss, 23456K reserved, 0K highmem)
[ 0.000000] virtual kernel memory layout:
[ 0.000000] fixmap : 0xfffa2000 - 0xfffff000 ( 372 kB)
[ 0.000000] pkmap : 0xff800000 - 0xffc00000 (4096 kB)
[ 0.000000] vmalloc : 0xcffb0000 - 0xff7fe000 ( 760 MB)
[ 0.000000] lowmem : 0xc0000000 - 0xcf7b0000 ( 247 MB)
[ 0.000000] .init : 0xc1612000 - 0xc16b9000 ( 668 kB)
[ 0.000000] .data : 0xc1436f2f - 0xc1610180 (1892 kB)
[ 0.000000] .text : 0xc1000000 - 0xc1436f2f (4315 kB)
[ 0.000000] Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode...Ok.
[ 0.000000] NR_IRQS:2304 nr_irqs:256 16
[ 0.000000] CPU 0 irqstacks, hard=ce406000 soft=ce408000
[ 0.000000] Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
[ 0.000000] console [tty0] enabled
[ 0.000000] tsc: Fast TSC calibration using PIT
[ 0.000000] tsc: Detected 498.059 MHz processor
[ 0.004023] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value calculated using timer frequency.. 996.11 BogoMIPS (lpj=1992236)
[ 0.004160] pid_max: default: 32768 minimum: 301
[ 0.004277] ACPI: Core revision 20140424
[ 0.025099] ACPI: All ACPI Tables successfully acquired
[ 0.025256] ACPI: setting ELCR to 0200 (from 0c20)
[ 0.028217] Security Framework initialized
[ 0.028321] AppArmor: AppArmor disabled by boot time parameter
[ 0.028393] Yama: disabled by default; enable with sysctl kernel.yama.*
[ 0.028522] Mount-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 0.028602] Mountpoint-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 0.029889] Initializing cgroup subsys memory
[ 0.029980] Initializing cgroup subsys devices
[ 0.032059] Initializing cgroup subsys freezer
[ 0.032140] Initializing cgroup subsys net_cls
[ 0.032238] Initializing cgroup subsys blkio
[ 0.032328] Initializing cgroup subsys perf_event
[ 0.032404] Initializing cgroup subsys net_prio
[ 0.032583] Last level iTLB entries: 4KB 0, 2MB 0, 4MB 0
[ 0.032583] Last level dTLB entries: 4KB 0, 2MB 0, 4MB 0, 1GB 0
[ 0.032583] tlb_flushall_shift: -1
[ 0.032704] CPU: Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS (fam: 05, model: 0a, stepping: 02)
[ 0.039577] ftrace: allocating 19617 entries in 39 pages
[ 0.088340] Performance Events: no PMU driver, software events only.
[ 0.102791] NMI watchdog: disabled (cpu0): hardware events not enabled
[ 0.103234] devtmpfs: initialized
[ 0.104910] PM: Registering ACPI NVS region [mem 0x0f7b0000-0x0f7b2fff] (12288 bytes)
[ 0.116328] pinctrl core: initialized pinctrl subsystem
[ 0.116840] NET: Registered protocol family 16
[ 0.117991] EISA bus registered
[ 0.118061] cpuidle: using governor ladder
[ 0.118131] cpuidle: using governor menu
[ 0.118924] ACPI: bus type PCI registered
[ 0.118989] acpiphp: ACPI Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver version: 0.5
[ 0.120602] PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfa990, last bus=0
[ 0.120674] PCI: Using configuration type 1 for base access
[ 0.128247] ACPI: Added _OSI(Module Device)
[ 0.128321] ACPI: Added _OSI(Processor Device)
[ 0.128387] ACPI: Added _OSI(3.0 _SCP Extensions)
[ 0.128454] ACPI: Added _OSI(Processor Aggregator Device)
[ 0.145954] ACPI: Interpreter enabled
[ 0.146037] ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, While evaluating Sleep State [\_S1_] (20140424/hwxface-580)
[ 0.146209] ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, While evaluating Sleep State [\_S2_] (20140424/hwxface-580)
[ 0.146377] ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, While evaluating Sleep State [\_S3_] (20140424/hwxface-580)
[ 0.146557] ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, While evaluating Sleep State [\_S4_] (20140424/hwxface-580)
[ 0.146745] ACPI: (supports S0 S5)
[ 0.146809] ACPI: Using PIC for interrupt routing
[ 0.146988] PCI: Using host bridge windows from ACPI; if necessary, use "pci=nocrs" and report a bug
[ 0.171781] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (domain 0000 [bus 00-ff])
[ 0.171885] acpi PNP0A03:00: _OSC: OS supports [ASPM ClockPM Segments MSI]
[ 0.171983] acpi PNP0A03:00: _OSC failed (AE_NOT_FOUND); disabling ASPM
[ 0.172577] acpi PNP0A03:00: fail to add MMCONFIG information, can't access extended PCI configuration space under this bridge.
[ 0.173576] PCI host bridge to bus 0000:00
[ 0.173662] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [bus 00-ff]
[ 0.173738] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [io 0x0000-0x0cf7]
[ 0.173815] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [io 0x0d00-0xac17]
[ 0.173898] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [io 0xac20-0xffff]
[ 0.173976] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [mem 0x000a0000-0x000bffff]
[ 0.174056] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [mem 0x000c8000-0x000dffff]
[ 0.174135] pci_bus 0000:00: root bus resource [mem 0x0f7c0000-0xfebfffff]
[ 0.174337] pci 0000:00:01.0: [1022:2080] type 00 class 0x060000
[ 0.174543] pci 0000:00:01.0: reg 0x10: [io 0xac1c-0xac1f]
[ 0.174714] pci 0000:00:01.0: reg 0x14: [io 0x9e00-0x9e07]
[ 0.176062] pci 0000:00:01.1: [1022:2081] type 00 class 0x030000
[ 0.176420] pci 0000:00:01.1: reg 0x10: [mem 0xee000000-0xeeffffff]
[ 0.176693] pci 0000:00:01.1: reg 0x14: [mem 0xefff0000-0xefff3fff]
[ 0.176966] pci 0000:00:01.1: reg 0x18: [mem 0xeffec000-0xeffeffff]
[ 0.177237] pci 0000:00:01.1: reg 0x1c: [mem 0xeffe8000-0xeffebfff]
[ 0.177508] pci 0000:00:01.1: reg 0x20: [mem 0xefff8000-0xefffbfff]
[ 0.178714] pci 0000:00:01.2: [1022:2082] type 00 class 0x101000
[ 0.179029] pci 0000:00:01.2: reg 0x10: [mem 0xefff4000-0xefff7fff]
[ 0.180865] pci 0000:00:0c.0: [1412:1724] type 00 class 0x040100
[ 0.180965] pci 0000:00:0c.0: reg 0x10: [io 0xff00-0xff1f]
[ 0.181049] pci 0000:00:0c.0: reg 0x14: [io 0xfe00-0xfe7f]
[ 0.181199] pci 0000:00:0c.0: supports D2
[ 0.181414] pci 0000:00:0c.0: System wakeup disabled by ACPI
[ 0.181912] pci 0000:00:0d.0: [1106:3053] type 00 class 0x020000
[ 0.182009] pci 0000:00:0d.0: reg 0x10: [io 0xfa00-0xfaff]
[ 0.182095] pci 0000:00:0d.0: reg 0x14: [mem 0xeffff000-0xeffff0ff]
[ 0.182248] pci 0000:00:0d.0: supports D1 D2
[ 0.182320] pci 0000:00:0d.0: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold
[ 0.182997] pci 0000:00:0d.0: System wakeup disabled by ACPI
[ 0.183570] pci 0000:00:0f.0: [1022:2090] type 00 class 0x060100
[ 0.183947] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 0x10: [io 0x6000-0x6007]
[ 0.184266] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 0x14: [io 0x6100-0x61ff]
[ 0.184586] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 0x18: [io 0x6200-0x623f]
[ 0.184907] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 0x1c: [io 0x0000-0x001f]
[ 0.185232] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 0x20: [io 0x9d00-0x9d7f]
[ 0.185570] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 0x24: [io 0x9c00-0x9c3f]
[ 0.186659] pci 0000:00:0f.2: [1022:209a] type 00 class 0x010180
[ 0.187686] pci 0000:00:0f.2: reg 0x20: [io 0xfd00-0xfd0f]
[ 0.188209] pci 0000:00:0f.2: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x10: [io 0x01f0-0x01f7]
[ 0.188289] pci 0000:00:0f.2: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x14: [io 0x03f6]
[ 0.188367] pci 0000:00:0f.2: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x18: [io 0x0170-0x0177]
[ 0.188446] pci 0000:00:0f.2: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x1c: [io 0x0376]
[ 0.189313] pci 0000:00:0f.4: [1022:2094] type 00 class 0x0c0310
[ 0.189777] pci 0000:00:0f.4: reg 0x10: [mem 0xefffe000-0xefffefff]
[ 0.191444] pci 0000:00:0f.4: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold
[ 0.191800] pci 0000:00:0f.4: System wakeup disabled by ACPI
[ 0.192488] pci 0000:00:0f.5: [1022:2095] type 00 class 0x0c0320
[ 0.192906] pci 0000:00:0f.5: reg 0x10: [mem 0xefffd000-0xefffdfff]
[ 0.194557] pci 0000:00:0f.5: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold
[ 0.194914] pci 0000:00:0f.5: System wakeup disabled by ACPI
[ 0.195452] pci_bus 0000:00: on NUMA node 0
[ 0.196714] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 5 *10 11)
[ 0.197836] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 5 10 *11)
[ 0.198928] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 5 10 11) *0
[ 0.200107] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 5 10 11) *0
[ 0.205012] ACPI: Enabled 1 GPEs in block 00 to 1F
[ 0.205758] vgaarb: device added: PCI:0000:00:01.1,decodes=io+mem,owns=io+mem,locks=none
[ 0.205848] vgaarb: loaded
[ 0.205907] vgaarb: bridge control possible 0000:00:01.1
[ 0.206471] PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing
[ 0.206538] PCI: pci_cache_line_size set to 32 bytes
[ 0.206647] pci 0000:00:01.0: can't claim BAR 0 [io 0xac1c-0xac1f]: no compatible bridge window
[ 0.207102] e820: reserve RAM buffer [mem 0x0009e800-0x0009ffff]
[ 0.207175] e820: reserve RAM buffer [mem 0x0f7b0000-0x0fffffff]
[ 0.208635] Switched to clocksource pit
[ 0.250240] pnp: PnP ACPI init
[ 0.250428] ACPI: bus type PNP registered
[ 0.251175] system 00:00: [mem 0x000f0000-0x000fffff] could not be reserved
[ 0.251262] system 00:00: [mem 0x0f7b0000-0x0f7bffff] could not be reserved
[ 0.251345] system 00:00: [mem 0xffff0000-0xffffffff] has been reserved
[ 0.251485] system 00:00: [mem 0x00000000-0x0009ffff] could not be reserved
[ 0.251568] system 00:00: [mem 0x00100000-0x0f7affff] could not be reserved
[ 0.251650] system 00:00: [mem 0xfee00000-0xfee00fff] has been reserved
[ 0.251734] system 00:00: Plug and Play ACPI device, IDs PNP0c01 (active)
[ 0.253173] pnp 00:01: disabling [io 0x0010-0x001f] because it overlaps 0000:00:0f.0 BAR 3 [io 0x0000-0x001f]
[ 0.253575] system 00:01: [io 0x0b78-0x0b7b] has been reserved
[ 0.253656] system 00:01: [io 0x0f78-0x0f7b] has been reserved
[ 0.253735] system 00:01: [io 0x0a78-0x0a7b] has been reserved
[ 0.253814] system 00:01: [io 0x0e78-0x0e7b] has been reserved
[ 0.253893] system 00:01: [io 0x0bbc-0x0bbf] has been reserved
[ 0.253972] system 00:01: [io 0x0fbc-0x0fbf] has been reserved
[ 0.254050] system 00:01: [io 0x04d0-0x04d1] has been reserved
[ 0.254131] system 00:01: Plug and Play ACPI device, IDs PNP0c02 (active)
[ 0.254487] pnp 00:02: Plug and Play ACPI device, IDs PNP0b00 (active)
[ 0.257085] pnp 00:03: Plug and Play ACPI device, IDs PNP0501 (active)
[ 0.258534] pnp 00:04: Plug and Play ACPI device, IDs PNP0501 (active)
[ 0.260719] pnp 00:05: Plug and Play ACPI device, IDs PNP0400 (active)
[ 0.261388] pnp: PnP ACPI: found 6 devices
[ 0.261453] ACPI: bus type PNP unregistered
[ 0.261533] PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP
[ 0.311927] Switched to clocksource acpi_pm
[ 0.312070] pci 0000:00:0f.0: BAR 3: assigned [io 0x1000-0x101f]
[ 0.312219] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 4 [io 0x0000-0x0cf7]
[ 0.312295] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 5 [io 0x0d00-0xac17]
[ 0.312371] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 6 [io 0xac20-0xffff]
[ 0.312448] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 7 [mem 0x000a0000-0x000bffff]
[ 0.312526] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 8 [mem 0x000c8000-0x000dffff]
[ 0.312605] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 9 [mem 0x0f7c0000-0xfebfffff]
[ 0.312794] NET: Registered protocol family 2
[ 0.314543] TCP established hash table entries: 2048 (order: 1, 8192 bytes)
[ 0.314655] TCP bind hash table entries: 2048 (order: 1, 8192 bytes)
[ 0.314756] TCP: Hash tables configured (established 2048 bind 2048)
[ 0.314926] TCP: reno registered
[ 0.314992] UDP hash table entries: 256 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 0.315076] UDP-Lite hash table entries: 256 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 0.315435] NET: Registered protocol family 1
[ 0.315660] pci 0000:00:01.1: Boot video device
[ 0.318207] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] BIOS reported IRQ 0, using IRQ 11
[ 0.318285] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at IRQ 11
[ 0.318353] PCI: setting IRQ 11 as level-triggered
[ 0.389007] PCI: CLS 32 bytes, default 32
[ 0.389372] Unpacking initramfs...
[ 2.986208] Freeing initrd memory: 13812K (cea23000 - cf7a0000)
[ 2.987025] microcode: AMD CPU family 0x5 not supported
[ 2.989321] futex hash table entries: 256 (order: -1, 3072 bytes)
[ 2.989510] audit: initializing netlink subsys (disabled)
[ 2.989645] audit: type=2000 audit(1454350359.987:1): initialized
[ 2.991231] HugeTLB registered 4 MB page size, pre-allocated 0 pages
[ 2.991417] zbud: loaded
[ 2.991751] VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.2
[ 2.991861] Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 2.992225] msgmni has been set to 475
[ 2.994266] alg: No test for stdrng (krng)
[ 2.994461] Block layer SCSI generic (bsg) driver version 0.4 loaded (major 252)
[ 2.994767] io scheduler noop registered
[ 2.994851] io scheduler deadline registered
[ 2.995165] io scheduler cfq registered (default)
[ 2.995961] pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5
[ 2.996247] pciehp: PCI Express Hot Plug Controller Driver version: 0.4
[ 2.996916] GHES: HEST is not enabled!
[ 2.997109] isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
[ 3.352397] isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
[ 3.352766] Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled
[ 3.373682] 00:03: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4, base_baud = 115200) is a 16550A
[ 3.394796] 00:04: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3, base_baud = 115200) is a 16550A
[ 3.397047] Linux agpgart interface v0.103
[ 3.398759] i8042: PNP: No PS/2 controller found. Probing ports directly.
[ 3.401599] serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
[ 3.401683] serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
[ 3.402809] mousedev: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[ 3.403847] rtc_cmos 00:02: RTC can wake from S4
[ 3.404477] rtc_cmos 00:02: rtc core: registered rtc_cmos as rtc0
[ 3.404603] rtc_cmos 00:02: alarms up to one day, 242 bytes nvram
[ 3.405033] platform eisa.0: Probing EISA bus 0
[ 3.405108] platform eisa.0: EISA: Cannot allocate resource for mainboard
[ 3.405189] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 1
[ 3.405267] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 2
[ 3.405345] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 3
[ 3.405423] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 4
[ 3.405501] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 5
[ 3.405579] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 6
[ 3.405657] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 7
[ 3.405735] platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 8
[ 3.405811] platform eisa.0: EISA: Detected 0 cards
[ 3.405898] ledtrig-cpu: registered to indicate activity on CPUs
[ 3.406805] TCP: cubic registered
[ 3.406927] NET: Registered protocol family 10
[ 3.408167] mip6: Mobile IPv6
[ 3.408249] NET: Registered protocol family 17
[ 3.408351] mpls_gso: MPLS GSO support
[ 3.408762] Using IPI Shortcut mode
[ 3.409682] registered taskstats version 1
[ 3.411303] rtc_cmos 00:02: setting system clock to 2016-02-01 18:12:40 UTC (1454350360)
[ 3.411749] PM: Hibernation image not present or could not be loaded.
[ 3.412914] Freeing unused kernel memory: 668K (c1612000 - c16b9000)
[ 3.413071] Write protecting the kernel text: 4316k
[ 3.413375] Write protecting the kernel read-only data: 1388k
[ 3.486001] udevd[49]: starting version 175
[ 3.688736] via_rhine: v1.10-LK1.5.1 2010-10-09 Written by Donald Becker
[ 3.691147] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 11
[ 3.812470] via-rhine 0000:00:0d.0 eth0: VIA Rhine III (Management Adapter) at 0x1fa00, 00:0d:b9:0d:ca:44, IRQ 11
[ 3.813351] via-rhine 0000:00:0d.0 eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x7869 advertising 05e1 Link cde1
[ 3.821953] SCSI subsystem initialized
[ 3.899407] ACPI: bus type USB registered
[ 3.899729] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
[ 3.899900] usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
[ 3.908226] usbcore: registered new device driver usb
[ 3.919127] ehci_hcd: USB 2.0 'Enhanced' Host Controller (EHCI) Driver
[ 3.947509] ehci-pci: EHCI PCI platform driver
[ 3.953863] ohci_hcd: USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver
[ 3.955155] ohci-pci: OHCI PCI platform driver
[ 3.980303] ehci-pci 0000:00:0f.5: EHCI Host Controller
[ 3.980425] ehci-pci 0000:00:0f.5: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
[ 3.980828] ehci-pci 0000:00:0f.5: irq 11, io mem 0xefffd000
[ 3.984125] tsc: Refined TSC clocksource calibration: 498.050 MHz
[ 3.992137] ehci-pci 0000:00:0f.5: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00
[ 3.992472] usb usb1: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0002
[ 3.992553] usb usb1: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[ 3.992637] usb usb1: Product: EHCI Host Controller
[ 3.992708] usb usb1: Manufacturer: Linux 3.16-0.bpo.2-486 ehci_hcd
[ 3.992785] usb usb1: SerialNumber: 0000:00:0f.5
[ 4.006681] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 4.006801] hub 1-0:1.0: 4 ports detected
[ 4.030647] ohci-pci 0000:00:0f.4: OHCI PCI host controller
[ 4.030762] ohci-pci 0000:00:0f.4: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
[ 4.031379] ohci-pci 0000:00:0f.4: irq 11, io mem 0xefffe000
[ 4.050936] libata version 3.00 loaded.
[ 4.103204] usb usb2: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0001
[ 4.103297] usb usb2: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[ 4.103381] usb usb2: Product: OHCI PCI host controller
[ 4.103453] usb usb2: Manufacturer: Linux 3.16-0.bpo.2-486 ohci_hcd
[ 4.103528] usb usb2: SerialNumber: 0000:00:0f.4
[ 4.107871] hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 4.109903] hub 2-0:1.0: 4 ports detected
[ 4.115137] pata_amd 0000:00:0f.2: version 0.4.1
[ 4.127712] scsi0 : pata_amd
[ 4.137090] scsi1 : pata_amd
[ 4.137672] ata1: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x1f0 ctl 0x3f6 bmdma 0xfd00 irq 14
[ 4.137749] ata2: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xfd08 irq 15
[ 4.308408] ata1.00: CFA: ELITE PRO CF CARD 4GB, 20091113, max UDMA/66
[ 4.308497] ata1.00: 7847280 sectors, multi 0: LBA
[ 4.316121] usb 1-3: new high-speed USB device number 2 using ehci-pci
[ 4.324369] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/66
[ 4.324889] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ELITE PRO CF CAR 1113 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[ 4.327369] ata2: port disabled--ignoring
[ 4.374086] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 7847280 512-byte logical blocks: (4.01 GB/3.74 GiB)
[ 4.374445] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[ 4.374528] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[ 4.374713] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[ 4.378553] sda: sda1 sda2
[ 4.381145] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
[ 4.392817] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
[ 4.578567] usb 1-3: New USB device found, idVendor=058f, idProduct=6387
[ 4.578662] usb 1-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[ 4.578745] usb 1-3: Product: Mass Storage
[ 4.578817] usb 1-3: Manufacturer: Generic
[ 4.578891] usb 1-3: SerialNumber: AMC00000003000002593
[ 4.607543] usb-storage 1-3:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
[ 4.607922] scsi2 : usb-storage 1-3:1.0
[ 4.608660] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[ 4.988105] Switched to clocksource tsc
[ 5.084475] FAT-fs (sda1): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
[ 5.155337] aufs: module is from the staging directory, the quality is unknown, you have been warned.
[ 5.164566] aufs 3.16-20140908
[ 5.288385] loop: module loaded
[ 5.609130] scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access Flash Drive AU USB20 8.20 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
[ 5.614051] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] 31883264 512-byte logical blocks: (16.3 GB/15.2 GiB)
[ 5.614907] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[ 5.615049] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[ 5.615940] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
[ 5.616125] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[ 5.624719] sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
[ 5.872653] squashfs: version 4.0 (2009/01/31) Phillip Lougher
[ 5.910527] aufs test_add:305:busybox[262]: uid/gid/perm //filesystem.squashfs/ 113/117/0755, 0/0/0755
[ 6.042093] sdb: sdb1
[ 6.051043] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
[ 6.339993] random: nonblocking pool is initialized
[ 9.532979] udevd[570]: starting version 175
[ 10.086299] AMD Geode RNG detected
[ 10.188392] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x00006100-0x000061ff conflicts with OpRegion 0x00006100-0x000061ff (\_SB_.GPIO) (20140424/utaddress-258)
[ 10.188593] ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
[ 10.188817] cs5535-mfd 0000:00:0f.0: MFD add devices failed: -16
[ 10.188938] cs5535-mfd: probe of 0000:00:0f.0 failed with error -16
[ 10.208828] input: Power Button as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input2
[ 10.208933] ACPI: Power Button [PWRF]
[ 10.236674] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] enabled at IRQ 10
[ 10.236759] PCI: setting IRQ 10 as level-triggered
[ 10.237271] lxfb 0000:00:01.1: 8192 KB of video memory at 0xee000000
[ 10.337040] ACPI: AC Adapter [AC] (on-line)
[ 10.700542] fbcon: Geode LX (fb0) is primary device
[ 10.711144] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30
[ 10.720281] fb0: Geode LX frame buffer device
[ 10.773156] parport_pc 00:05: reported by Plug and Play ACPI
[ 10.773511] parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE]
[ 10.979110] input: PC Speaker as /devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input3
[ 11.252173] Geode LX AES 0000:00:01.2: GEODE AES engine enabled.
[ 12.178682] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] BIOS reported IRQ 0, using IRQ 10
[ 12.179044] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] enabled at IRQ 10
[ 12.235143] snd_ice1724 0000:00:0c.0: juli@: analog I/O detected
[ 39.982290] FAT-fs (sda2): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
[ 40.015092] FAT-fs (sda2): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[ 42.074983] FAT-fs (sdb1): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
[ 42.107895] FAT-fs (sdb1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.

Or maybe it just that any update to Services seems to be lost after a restart.

So if I start or stop services, then when I restart the BDP any changes are lost.  I back to how it was before I started and stopped some services.

 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Feb 2016, 04:33 am
Been working fine for my units, it takes a minute after the MPD Ready message appears.  you could always check the user space partition and make sure its not in a read only state (disk information)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 2 Feb 2016, 05:50 am
When I do a verify on USER I get:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@localhost and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) Server at bryston-bdp-1.local Port 80
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Feb 2016, 07:31 pm
When I do a verify on USER I get:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@localhost and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) Server at bryston-bdp-1.local Port 80

whether or not the partition is in a read only state is indicated at the bottom of the page, below the buttons
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 2 Feb 2016, 08:06 pm
whether or not the partition is in a read only state is indicated at the bottom of the page, below the buttons

As always thanks for your reply.

It was rw.  I reset the bdp to factory settings and now it looks ok.   What's a little strange now though is that when I try to set my flash drive as a scratch I get the message: Can not use a system volume as the scratch drive
I can't remember having any problems before.  It seems to format ok:

ormating disk: /dev/sdb1 as b
Checking for mounted volumes...
No volumes mounted on device: /dev/sdb1
16+0 records in
16+0 records out
16777216 bytes (17 MB) copied, 2.48232 s, 6.8 MB/s
Starting Stage 1: Checking number of partitions on disk....

WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdb'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.

Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
Starting Stage 2: Creating New Partition Table....

WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdb'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.

Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel
Building a new DOS disklabel with disk identifier 0xcc5d33f1.
Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them.
After that, of course, the previous content won't be recoverable.

Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite)

Command (m for help): Partition type:
p primary (0 primary, 0 extended, 4 free)
e extended
Select (default p): Partition number (1-4, default 1): First sector (2048-31883263, default 2048): Using default value 2048
Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G} (2048-31883263, default 31883263): Using default value 31883263

Command (m for help): Selected partition 1
Hex code (type L to list codes): Changed system type of partition 1 to b (W95 FAT32)

Command (m for help): The partition table has been altered!

Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table.

WARNING: If you have created or modified any DOS 6.x
partitions, please see the fdisk manual page for additional
information.
Syncing disks.

Starting Stage 3: Formating Partition....
mkfs.fat: warning - lowercase labels might not work properly with DOS or Windows
mkfs.fat 3.0.23 (2013-10-15)

Starting Stage 4: Installing Bootloader....
MOUNT:
COPY:
DEV.MAP:
GRUB:Installation finished. No error reported.
This is the contents of the device map /mnt/tmp/boot/grub/device.map.
Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.

(hd1) /dev/sdb

Starting Stage 5: Check Disk....
fsck from util-linux 2.20.1
dosfsck 3.0.13, 30 Jun 2012, FAT32, LFN
/dev/sdb1: 17 files, 36/1990630 clusters

BRYSTON DONE
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 3 Feb 2016, 11:28 am
As always thanks for your reply.

It was rw.  I reset the bdp to factory settings and now it looks ok.   What's a little strange now though is that when I try to set my flash drive as a scratch I get the message: Can not use a system volume as the scratch drive
I can't remember having any problems before.  It seems to format ok:

ormating disk: /dev/sdb1 as b
Checking for mounted volumes...
No volumes mounted on device: /dev/sdb1
16+0 records in
16+0 records out
16777216 bytes (17 MB) copied, 2.48232 s, 6.8 MB/s
Starting Stage 1: Checking number of partitions on disk....

WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdb'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.

Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
Starting Stage 2: Creating New Partition Table....

WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdb'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.

Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel
Building a new DOS disklabel with disk identifier 0xcc5d33f1.
Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them.
After that, of course, the previous content won't be recoverable.

Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite)

Command (m for help): Partition type:
p primary (0 primary, 0 extended, 4 free)
e extended
Select (default p): Partition number (1-4, default 1): First sector (2048-31883263, default 2048): Using default value 2048
Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G} (2048-31883263, default 31883263): Using default value 31883263

Command (m for help): Selected partition 1
Hex code (type L to list codes): Changed system type of partition 1 to b (W95 FAT32)

Command (m for help): The partition table has been altered!

Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table.

WARNING: If you have created or modified any DOS 6.x
partitions, please see the fdisk manual page for additional
information.
Syncing disks.

Starting Stage 3: Formating Partition....
mkfs.fat: warning - lowercase labels might not work properly with DOS or Windows
mkfs.fat 3.0.23 (2013-10-15)

Starting Stage 4: Installing Bootloader....
MOUNT:
COPY:
DEV.MAP:
GRUB:Installation finished. No error reported.
This is the contents of the device map /mnt/tmp/boot/grub/device.map.
Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.

(hd1) /dev/sdb

Starting Stage 5: Check Disk....
fsck from util-linux 2.20.1
dosfsck 3.0.13, 30 Jun 2012, FAT32, LFN
/dev/sdb1: 17 files, 36/1990630 clusters

BRYSTON DONE

I was too quick to say that it worked. 

now it's not starting up.  It's getting to Cleaning up  and no further.

I tried reinstalling the firmware, that has made no difference.  Is it time to send it in for repair?



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136444)

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 Feb 2016, 07:45 pm
Please see page 24 of the manic moose manual

http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 3 Feb 2016, 08:47 pm
Please see page 24 of the manic moose manual

http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

Done.  Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 5 Feb 2016, 02:36 am
Hi Chris,

Any chance for Roon RAAT to make it back to the BDP firmware any time soon (was removed from the latest beta) or should I go ahead and cancel my subscription?

Thanks,
Carmen
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 5 Feb 2016, 05:22 pm
FYI, With the last set of Beta releases and the current, stable release, album art generation for the Artist View is broken (again).

This is on my FLAC/AAC/MP3 collection that used to reliably generate album art. Now, any album with a title containing non English characters fails to build thumbnails. Such as:

Album title: Liszt: Piano Sonata In B Minor, Funérailles, Etc.
Artist: CéU

... accent characters seem to be the problem, whether in the album title or in the artist name, as noted after rebuilding and reviewing my 15,000+ track library.

Using:

S2.22 2016-01-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

FYI, this issue is still there, using the latest beta:

S2.23 2016-02-04
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Again, anything with an accent or umlaut character in the artist or album path fails to build album art. To me, it looks like whatever is processing the path recursion to locate audio files and build album art is not UTF-8 compatible.

If you would like sample tracks to reproduce this, please let me know and I will upload/send.

EDIT: I should clarify that this refers to the thumbnails in the Artists view. When selecting an album for playback from the Artists View, the Default View does show the album art.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: volpone on 8 Feb 2016, 01:55 pm
Hi Chris,

Any chance for Roon RAAT to make it back to the BDP firmware any time soon (was removed from the latest beta) or should I go ahead and cancel my subscription?

Thanks,
Carmen

+1
I'am also interested on this topic about BDP / Roon compatibility.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 8 Feb 2016, 03:29 pm
Default View is ignoring the Disc Number tags in audio files.

For example: Album contains two discs (or albums), Disc 1 and Disc 2.

Disc 1
 Song 1-1
 Song 1-2
Disc 2
 Song 2-1
 Song 2-2

In the Artists View, this is displayed correctly and songs are added to the playback queue in the correct order.

In the Default View, songs are added by track index, ignoring the disc order:
Song 1-1
Song 2-1
Song 1-2
Song 2-2

Using:

S2.23 2016-02-04
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Thanks.

EDIT: there is a corollary to this issue. With AAC tracks from iTunes, Manic Moose is mis-ordering albums with more than 9 tracks.

For example, Album has 12 tracks, ordered as followed in the Default View:

1
10
11
12
2
...
9

These tracks include track N of M and disc number tags, as well.

From what I can tell, this is limited to tracks that are AAC files from iTunes (my FLAC files don't do this, from what I can tell).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gustavog on 10 Feb 2016, 01:49 pm
+1
I'am also interested on this topic about BDP / Roon compatibility.

So, finally, what's the road map regarding BDP/Roon compatibility??? It would be nice to have an update from Bryston regarding that...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Feb 2016, 02:11 pm
So, finally, what's the road map regarding BDP/Roon compatibility??? It would be nice to have an update from Bryston regarding that...

Hi

We have tried it and are still deciding what direction we will take with it going forward.

james'
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 10 Feb 2016, 04:32 pm
Hi

We have tried it and are still deciding what direction we will take with it going forward.

james'

Well, not that anyone is asking, but I will give you my $0.02. Bryston needs to do *something*. The BDP is a fantastic piece of hardware with an application software problem. Manic Moose isn't making it. MPD apps, like MPaD and MPDroid, do work but present minimum functionality with a learning curve to setup. More importantly, no one is maintaining either app and there aren't really any alternatives. You know how that movie ends.

Roon offers an opportunity for Bryston to get out of the application software business, either by implementing RoonBridge (i.e. an end-point) or by embedding RoonServer (i.e. using the attached storage methodology Bryston loves and presenting it as an all-in-one Roon solution). I am hoping you consider the latter option.

Regards.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gustavog on 10 Feb 2016, 05:14 pm
Well, not that anyone is asking, but I will give you my $0.02. Bryston needs to do *something*. The BDP is a fantastic piece of hardware with an application software problem. Manic Moose isn't making it. MPD apps, like MPaD and MPDroid, do work but present minimum functionality with a learning curve to setup. More importantly, no one is maintaining either app and there aren't really any alternatives. You know how that movie ends.

Roon offers an opportunity for Bryston to get out of the application software business, either by implementing RoonBridge (i.e. an end-point) or by embedding RoonServer (i.e. using the attached storage methodology Bryston loves and presenting it as an all-in-one Roon solution). I am hoping you consider the latter option.

Regards.

My view exactly. I see endless threads about this and that other detail of MM and, in Roon, there is the opportunity for Bryston to embrace a working, rich, and well polished UI and concentrate on the BDP sound.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: tie_breaker on 13 Feb 2016, 12:42 am
OK it's back, phew, the messages in Media Player didn't say it was rebuilding the db. So everything is up and running but the 2 image folders still did not get re-created :D

Hi Rod, I had the same issue with cover art and after some trial and error figured out that bdp is creating the bdp_front_44 and 250 jpg and png files when it indexes the files.  Then it uses these images in the Default and Artist views.  When I noticed that some of my albums where missing cover art I tried to recreate the indexes but was unsuccessful for those albums. For whatever reason MM is not creating these images for these sub folders where the albums are stored on disk.  So I used my photo editor and created these files myself, 44x44 and 250x250 pixel size images of the cover art.  Now those albums are showing in both views just fine.

Btw, I enabled a scratch drive and am not sure what it really does, whether I have the scratch drive attached or disconnected the MM works the same way, the cover art displays the same way....
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: tie_breaker on 13 Feb 2016, 12:55 am
I agree with gustavog and krutsch, bryston is best at making components that produce great sound quality but I think software isn't bryston's strength.  MM is a decent application however unless bryston fully invests into software they are better off putting the effort towards integrating BDP with software such as Roon to provide better user experience for BDP owners.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: volpone on 13 Feb 2016, 07:46 am
My view exactly. I see endless threads about this and that other detail of MM and, in Roon, there is the opportunity for Bryston to embrace a working, rich, and well polished UI and concentrate on the BDP sound.
+1.
I agree with @gustavog, @Krutsh, @tie_breaker.

Hope Bryston will put the effort on Roon integration for better User Experience.
Bryston strengh is about sound and not software and user interface.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vonnie123 on 13 Feb 2016, 07:53 am
Well that didn't work to well. I'm now getting a message saying Bryston DB crash detected. I initialed a reboot via MPD but that didn't seem to have any affect :(

After multiple tries, I deactivated this feature.  The database continues to corrupt itself.  The software on the Bryston Media player is workable, but I think it has outpaced the early release BDP-1. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: docder on 13 Feb 2016, 04:12 pm
I find the latest MPD, 0.19.12, with the recent firmware update, to be working fine with the BDP-1. I have had the BDP-1 since 2010 and there have been times over the years when I could become very frustrated with trying to get music to list and play, but since Manic Moose and recent firmware updates I have been much happier and get along just fine with the Bryston software. The only plea I would wish to make is for a built in link to Qobuz rather than to Tidal. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 13 Feb 2016, 05:31 pm
After multiple tries, I deactivated this feature.  The database continues to corrupt itself.  The software on the Bryston Media player is workable, but I think it has outpaced the early release BDP-1.

Not trying to pile on, but... I have the same issue. Whenever I update my thumb drive, with new music, I watch it rebuild and then it freezes around 30%. Then, I reset the Bryston DB, and it rebuilds successfully from the beginning.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 14 Feb 2016, 06:36 pm
Is it possible to have SqueezeLite updated to the latest version so we can use the BDP as a SqueezeBox end point? I wasn't able to make it work with the current SqueezeLite version, nor AirPlay...

Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gustavog on 15 Feb 2016, 05:43 pm
I see that there is a new MM version, but why RAAT was removed??? What was the problem?

S2.24 2016-02-08
MPD
Fixed minor bugs occuring with certains units
RoonLabs Raat
RoonLabs RAAT, removed upon RoonLabs request
Disk Information
Fixed bug with selecting scratch drive
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 15 Feb 2016, 06:12 pm
I see that there is a new MM version, but why RAAT was removed??? What was the problem?

S2.24 2016-02-08
MPD
Fixed minor bugs occuring with certains units
RoonLabs Raat
RoonLabs RAAT, removed upon RoonLabs request
Disk Information
Fixed bug with selecting scratch drive

Could be the line in bold above?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gustavog on 15 Feb 2016, 07:39 pm
Could be the line in bold above?

Yes, it says that RAAT was removed upon Roon request, but I would like to know what was the reason and why Roon requested that. Is RAAT support going to return to MM or what?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Feb 2016, 09:20 pm
Yes, it says that RAAT was removed upon Roon request, but I would like to know what was the reason and why Roon requested that. Is RAAT support going to return to MM or what?

At this point they have a BDP and we are waiting for final approvals. 

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gustavog on 15 Feb 2016, 09:36 pm
At this point they have a BDP and we are waiting for final approvals. 

James

Thank You James, that's very good to know
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 15 Feb 2016, 11:56 pm
So if/when that happens, what does RAAT do? Does that mean Roon would run directly off the BDP, bypassing the need for a Roon server/computer? 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Feb 2016, 12:33 am
Not trying to pile on, but... I have the same issue. Whenever I update my thumb drive, with new music, I watch it rebuild and then it freezes around 30%. Then, I reset the Bryston DB, and it rebuilds successfully from the beginning.

this will be fixed in the next released
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Feb 2016, 12:37 am
What was the problem?

they didn't say
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Feb 2016, 10:32 pm
this will be fixed in the next released

Nice work! Looks like the DB crash issues are gone. I am able to update from scratch to the end without issues.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Feb 2016, 10:46 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137357)

See the image. The Artists View gets confused with duplicate album titles, with respect to which album cover to display. I have 5 albums in my collection called "Greatest Hits" - all from different artists. Luscious Jackson is the first artist, alphabetically speaking, with that album.

In MM's Artist View, all of them are assigned the "Luscious Jackson" "Greatest Hits" cover. The attached image is for ZZ Top, the last one.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Feb 2016, 10:49 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137358)

See the attached image. A corollary to the above issue. When browsing the Default View and selecting Albums, there is only ONE (1) album called Greatest Hits, with the the tracks from all five albums mixed together, in tracks index order.

So, five tracks ones, then five track twos, etc...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Feb 2016, 10:53 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137359)

In the Artists View, the thumbnail images are frequently corrupted if they contain a lot white in the background. See the attached image as an example, but I have a lot of these. And, yes, I've deleted all of the bdp_front_*.jpg images and rebuild, with the same result.

FWIW, during playback, the original art work displays without issue (after the initial track - the first track often fails to update the cover art portion of the screen).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Feb 2016, 01:18 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137359)

In the Artists View, the thumbnail images are frequently corrupted if they contain a lot white in the background. See the attached image as an example, but I have a lot of these. And, yes, I've deleted all of the bdp_front_*.jpg images and rebuild, with the same result.

FWIW, during playback, the original art work displays without issue (after the initial track - the first track often fails to update the cover art portion of the screen).

I suspect this is an unintended side effect from switching to the png format over jpg.  I'll try to remember to take a look at it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 24 Feb 2016, 04:12 am
I suspect this is an unintended side effect from switching to the png format over jpg.  I'll try to remember to take a look at it tomorrow.

Downloaded latest BETA (see below) and wiped all of the bp_front_*.png/*.jpg files, reset the Bryston DB and watched it build successfully.

I cleared my browser cache (on my iPad and my MacBook's chrome browser) and reloaded the MM app.

No change to the images ... they look like my previous post on both web browsers.

S2.25 2016-02-23
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Feb 2016, 05:27 am
Downloaded latest BETA (see below) and wiped all of the bp_front_*.png/*.jpg files, reset the Bryston DB and watched it build successfully.

I cleared my browser cache (on my iPad and my MacBook's chrome browser) and reloaded the MM app.

No change to the images ... they look like my previous post on both web browsers.

S2.25 2016-02-23
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Please place the bdp into service mode and email me the service id
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Feb 2016, 05:50 pm
Downloaded latest BETA (see below) and wiped all of the bp_front_*.png/*.jpg files, reset the Bryston DB and watched it build successfully.

I cleared my browser cache (on my iPad and my MacBook's chrome browser) and reloaded the MM app.

No change to the images ... they look like my previous post on both web browsers.

S2.25 2016-02-23
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137946)

you might need to clear your browsers cache
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 24 Feb 2016, 10:52 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137946)

you might need to clear your browsers cache

OK, thanks for whatever you did. The images all look great. On my MacBook Pro (Chrome and Safari), as well as my iPad (Safari). I wiped my browser cache on my MacBook Pro's Chrome installation, but with Safari on both MacBook and iPad I did nothing. Works everywhere, now. Cool!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 24 Feb 2016, 11:20 pm
you might need to clear your browsers cache

fine ...  :)

My browser caché is limited to 500MB.
This might be too high, or too low - I don't know.
How often is it advisable to have it cleared?
How do I know when is it better clear it?

Perhaps I misunderstood, and you are talking about clearing it after service mode.

Fernando.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Feb 2016, 12:25 am
OK, thanks for whatever you did. The images all look great. On my MacBook Pro (Chrome and Safari), as well as my iPad (Safari). I wiped my browser cache on my MacBook Pro's Chrome installation, but with Safari on both MacBook and iPad I did nothing. Works everywhere, now. Cool!

I removed all of the Bryston generated cover art and rebuilt the library, finally cleared my cache.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Feb 2016, 12:26 am
fine ...  :)

My browser caché is limited to 500MB.
This might be too high, or too low - I don't know.
How often is it advisable to have it cleared?
How do I know when is it better clear it?

Perhaps I misunderstood, and you are talking about clearing it after service mode.

Fernando.

It should be cleared when ever old data is being displayed
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 26 Feb 2016, 04:46 pm
I removed all of the Bryston generated cover art and rebuilt the library, finally cleared my cache.

OK, thanks for that. I thought I had removed the Bryston generated covers in previous iterations, but I might not be looking in the right places.

Are you planning to address the special characters issue I reported earlier in this thread?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Feb 2016, 08:23 pm
HI Chris,


does the librarydoctor.php still work? Ive tried it but it just reloads the bryston default page. Since i don't use the bryston db, i'd like to clear my drives again before trying the new firmware .


I have forgotten the other page u mentioned with the soundtest/sweeps? could you please disclose once more...


 Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 28 Feb 2016, 10:01 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138179)

See the attached image. Playlists were all created on the BDP-1 using MM and/or MPaD (i.e. not created elsewhere and uploaded into the /mnt/img/playlists).

Sorting seems to be almost random: not by title nor by time/date created nor by size of the file.

Would it be possible to have these sort by title (or some criteria)?

S2.25 2016-02-26
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 2 Mar 2016, 11:49 pm
Nice work, Bryston, on the new BETA Mobile Web UI. Works really well on my Samsung Note 4.

You need to figure out the transition model between "Artists View" and the "View Artists" modal view (i.e. selecting an artist should just return to the previous view, without the extra tap and with a smooth transition, like a fade or a swipe animation), but I really like the direction this is headed.

S2.25 2016-03-01
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 Mar 2016, 01:46 am
Nice work, Bryston, on the new BETA Mobile Web UI. Works really well on my Samsung Note 4.

You need to figure out the transition model between "Artists View" and the "View Artists" modal view (i.e. selecting an artist should just return to the previous view, without the extra tap and with a smooth transition, like a fade or a swipe animation), but I really like the direction this is headed.

S2.25 2016-03-01
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486



Thanks for the feedback, I released another update today after I got super artsy today at work.  I agree with the need for transitions, everything is a bit clunky without it.  The delay to load everything (especially the artist view) is also a bit annoying, I might start caching those.  Did the auto redirect work for you, or did you have enter the extra /mobile for it to work?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138342)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138341)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138340)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138357)


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 3 Mar 2016, 01:50 am
Thanks for the feedback, I released another update today after I got super artsy today at work.  I agree with the need for transitions, everything is a bit clunky without it.  The delay to load everything (especially the artist view) is also a bit annoying, I might start caching those.  Did the auto redirect work for you, or did you have enter the extra /mobile for it to work?

Auto redirect worked fine on Android. I didn't need to do anything except launch my saved URL: http://bryston-bdp-1.local and it just worked.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Mar 2016, 06:50 am
Hi
How to reach this mobile web ui? I've installed yesterday's beta and still see this:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138358)

Cheers Marius
Thanks for the feedback, I released another update today after I got super artsy today at work.  I agree with the need for transitions, everything is a bit clunky without it.  The delay to load everything (especially the artist view) is also a bit annoying, I might start caching those.  Did the auto redirect work for you, or did you have enter the extra /mobile for it to work?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138342)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138341)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138340)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138357)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 3 Mar 2016, 12:18 pm
It's the new tidal mobile ui
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Mar 2016, 12:23 pm
thanks, i see it now.
Don't use it though... Looking better and better, compliments Chris.,
Marius


please give me the url's for the library doctor and sweep settings again?




It's the new tidal mobile ui
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Mar 2016, 04:34 pm
HI Chris,


Can't send images on the private messages so please allow me to post here.
Could you program the library doctor to search and delete for all files MM previously created in our libraries: adding crossfade.jpg to the already searched files bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg.




 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138383)


I've found the bdp_front files in .png format too, the doctor apparently doesn't find these? If so, please add that?


Also, please have the doctor search per drive, since my first attempt to run it hangs, presumably because of library size/amount of found files to delete.


Making this available in Disk Information would be really nice.


Thanks in advance,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 3 Mar 2016, 04:58 pm
Could you program the library doctor to search and delete for all files MM previously created in our libraries: adding crossfade.jpg to the already searched files bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg.

I've found the bdp_front files in .png format too, the doctor apparently doesn't find these? If so, please add that?

Also, please have the doctor search per drive, since my first attempt to run it hangs, presumably because of library size/amount of found files to delete.

Making this available in Disk Information would be really nice.

...or... invoke this function when one clicks on "Reset DB" or add a second button on that same screen to really reset/clean everything?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Mar 2016, 04:59 pm
fine too
+1
...or... invoke this function when one clicks on "Reset DB" or add a second button on that same screen to really reset/clean everything?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Mar 2016, 12:59 pm
Hi,

Finally
got the doctor to work, helped a bit manually though.

Hi Chris,
I believe you've mentioned implementing a new way for the Bryston DB to work, and handle files in the database. Does it still add those bp_front files,just added.jpg and crossfade.jpg's?Could it be done in a way, less intrusive to the Drives, and easier to takeout again? Maybe a separate folder where all bryston files are stored per drive, or, if must be, in a central location (wasn't that what the scratch drive was for?)

Would be a one-click operation. Adding to that, backingup the Music files without the bryston files would also be a lot easier.

Cheers,Marius



...or... invoke this function when one clicks on "Reset DB" or add a second button on that same screen to really reset/clean everything?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 4 Mar 2016, 01:03 pm
Can someone please point me to a Manic Moose user manual?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Mar 2016, 01:05 pm
Can someone please point me to a Manic Moose user manual?  Thanks!


http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BDP-2/manuals.html
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Samurai7595 on 4 Mar 2016, 07:34 pm
http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BDP-2/manuals.html

Thanks!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 4 Mar 2016, 11:03 pm
Default View is ignoring the Disc Number tags in audio files.

For example: Album contains two discs (or albums), Disc 1 and Disc 2.

Disc 1
 Song 1-1
 Song 1-2
Disc 2
 Song 2-1
 Song 2-2

In the Artists View, this is displayed correctly and songs are added to the playback queue in the correct order.

In the Default View, songs are added by track index, ignoring the disc order:
Song 1-1
Song 2-1
Song 1-2
Song 2-2

Using:

S2.23 2016-02-04
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Thanks.

EDIT: there is a corollary to this issue. With AAC tracks from iTunes, Manic Moose is mis-ordering albums with more than 9 tracks.

For example, Album has 12 tracks, ordered as followed in the Default View:

1
10
11
12
2
...
9

These tracks include track N of M and disc number tags, as well.

From what I can tell, this is limited to tracks that are AAC files from iTunes (my FLAC files don't do this, from what I can tell).

Bump... this problem is still in MM's latest builds. After more testing, this problem is NOT limited to AAC tracks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 5 Mar 2016, 06:18 am
It probably has to do with ASCII and how the computer values or sorts these.

You will find that "ZZ Top" comes BEFORE "a-ha". This is because capital letters (A-Z) are listed BEFORE lower case in the ASCII table.

Similarly, the algorithm is sorting based on each character in it's given position, not the overall string. If the first character is the same (the number 1 for example), it then checks the second character, and so on. Thus, 1 comes before 10, followed by 11, then 113, then 12, and then 2.

The sort algorithm would need to be changed for this to be fixed.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 5 Mar 2016, 06:50 am
Hi
This has been the case since the conception of the bdp. Discussed on this board frequently.
Never solved. I've given up and gotten used to changing the titles by adding a leading 0 to tracks under 10. Use Tags instead of file names. ( or was it the other way around, not sure here, can't check right now )
Even so, I've got a Chandos thumb drive that won't be displayed and, more
Importantly, played correctly, mixes it up like you describe.
Play that over all other digital players that don't mixup, and prove it can be done correctly without a hassle....

Also the lower case issue is a bit of a nuisance, though even less frequent. dEus displayed at the bottom instead of at the correct place in the listing . That too is nothing of an issue for the other players  :scratch:
Cheers
Marius

It probably has to do with ASCII and how the computer values or sorts these.

You will find that "ZZ Top" comes BEFORE "a-ha". This is because capital letters (A-Z) are listed BEFORE lower case in the ASCII table.

Similarly, the algorithm is sorting based on each character in it's given position, not the overall string. If the first character is the same (the number 1 for example), it then checks the second character, and so on. Thus, 1 comes before 10, followed by 11, then 113, then 12, and then 2.

The sort algorithm would need to be changed for this to be fixed.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 5 Mar 2016, 07:51 am
Here's a link to the ASCII table. http://www.asciitable.com/index/asciifull.gif (http://www.asciitable.com/index/asciifull.gif)


"Dec" is the decimal value. You'll notice it's listed from 0 to 255. That's the order the computer sees the values of the corresponding character in red.

"A" has a value of 65. "a" has a value of 97. Simply put, "A" through "Z" comes before "a" through "z". Thus, "ZZ Top" comes before "a-ha".

Same with numbers. There's no "10", just "0" through "9". They are just symbols in the ASCII table. That's why "10" is before "2". It compares the FIRST character. Likely, if the first character is the same, then it compares the second character, and so on, until it finds a difference.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 5 Mar 2016, 03:46 pm
Ascii should have nothing to do with this; the software should be reading the track tags for disc and track number, as integer values. I have not selected the option to prefer filename over tags.

It's 2016, for heaven's sake...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 6 Mar 2016, 08:14 am
Yes, there's a work-around. But if the tag data is stored as a character string and not as an integer value, it can't read it as an integer value. Whoever invented the metadata system dictated that.











Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 6 Mar 2016, 03:09 pm
Yes, there's a work-around. But if the tag data is stored as a character string and not as an integer value, it can't read it as an integer value. Whoever invented the metadata system dictated that.

I'm guessing you are not a software dev. :-)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Mar 2016, 03:43 pm
but how come all other players can? iTunes, vlc, audirvana have no issues, at least not with my Chandos thumb drive while theres no way tricking the BDP into displaying and playing these correctly. Not even renaming the files with the leading 0..


Marius


Yes, there's a work-around. But if the tag data is stored as a character string and not as an integer value, it can't read it as an integer value. Whoever invented the metadata system dictated that.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Mar 2016, 03:49 pm
HI Chris,


Would you consider and be able to allow MM to have a less black interface? Often i find it very difficult to see the contrasting parts of the interface, and in certain lighting conditions, find the white on black to be rather fatiguing to the eye.
Somehow i hope you can have a lighter (grey even) background with darker letters, like print, as an option? Like in the folder bar on the left of MM. Far easier on the eye. For me that is (50+... needing reading glasses, having reading issues in darker conditions etc etc...)


Cheers,
Marius



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 6 Mar 2016, 09:36 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138608)

See the attached image.

There is some odd behavior with the Default View on playback. In the attached example, I was listening to "The Beatles 1967-1970". After clearing the playback queue, I went into Artist View and selected "Alfred Brendel, Liszt: Piano...".

1. The Artist View has no thumbnail for this album (as previously posted, it has accent characters in the album and song titles);

2. On playback, the previous Beatles album art displays in the center of the page;

3. When advancing to the second track, the correct album art *does* display.

In general, I frequently see either a blank (Bryston) box for the album art on for the first track or the artwork for the previous album.

Finally, when clicking on the album cover instead of loading an existing "back.jpg" from the same folder, I get an empty black box. Has the back cover function been removed?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 6 Mar 2016, 09:44 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138609)

See the attached image. In the Artists View, albums are first sorted by storage device and/or parent folder, then sorted by title.

In this example, I have Yessongs on one device, with Close To The Edge and The Yes Album on another device (HDD or thumb drive).

Seems like the display of sorted albums within an Artists (or Album Artist) should be independent of their relative location.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 7 Mar 2016, 04:15 am
I'm guessing you are not a software dev. :-)

Yes, you can read any stored data as any format you wish. However, it's very poor programming practice to read it as something it wasn't stored as. Sorta defeats the purpose of designating it as a string, integer, etc at the outset.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 7 Mar 2016, 06:05 am
but how come all other players can? iTunes, vlc, audirvana have no issues, at least not with my Chandos thumb drive while theres no way tricking the BDP into displaying and playing these correctly. Not even renaming the files with the leading 0..


Marius

Someone wrote the software to sort them in a way people categorize things rather than just by the ASCII value.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Mar 2016, 07:35 am
Someone wrote the software to sort them in a way people categorize things rather than just by the ASCII value.


Seems the right programming practice..
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Mar 2016, 07:47 am
In general, I frequently see either a blank (Bryston) box for the album art on for the first track or the artwork for the previous album.

Finally, when clicking on the album cover instead of loading an existing "back.jpg" from the same folder, I get an empty black box. Has the back cover function been removed?


HI,
First track no covert art: Been like this from the beginning. Frequently discussed on this board.
Given up on that (too), or solve it by clicking the next track, (if i have one selected) and than go back again. :duh: :duh:


Previous cover art being displayed: also an old issue. Even without a song selected, i have the coverart of the last previously played tracks displayed. Somehow they are stored in the MM cache, refreshing the browser cache doesn't solve this. Clearing the album art when last tracks are played/deleted/playlist cleared should be programmed into MM at last indeed. Often this is accompanied with the -1's. Chris has named this issue once, but it still manifests itself.


Backcover: check, no other images are found, not only the back cover. Only one cover.jpg here all other jpg. are gone, only black box. Seems to be allright now, don't know what happened other than a power down/up.

Cheers,
Marius




Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 7 Mar 2016, 02:07 pm
Quote from: Marius
...but how come all other players can? iTunes, vlc, audirvana have no issues, at least not with my Chandos thumb drive while theres no way tricking the BDP into displaying and playing these correctly. Not even renaming the files with the leading 0..


Seems the right programming practice..

Does it?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 7 Mar 2016, 02:32 pm

First track no covert art: Been like this from the beginning. Frequently discussed on this board.
Given up on that (too), or solve it by clicking the next track, (if i have one selected) and than go back again. :duh: :duh:

Previous cover art being displayed: also an old issue...


Discouraging. Well, it seems that these issues won't be addressed and I will stop posting my findings.

If there was a work-around for the track index issue, I would be willing to rename/re-tag things. But to update my library to accommodate MM, I would need to fix tags for track index (for which there is no work-around), separate multi-disc albums to fix that issue, rename any albums with duplicate titles from different artists (i.e. the "Greatest Hits" issue), rename all of my albums/artists that contain non-english characters. A lot of work...

I tried using MinimServer + BubbleUPnP with the BDP-1, as an alternative. It does work and MinimServer has none of the above library issues (well, nothing else I've tried does, either). However, the BDP-1 uses gmediarender for UPnP playback, which is unfortunate, as it (a) fails to play any of my non-DRM'd AAC files (I have to use MinimStreamer to transcode them to WAV), (b) sometimes inserts a small tick or pop between gapless tracks and (c) doesn't sound as good as MPD playback. Other MPD-based systems use upmpdci as a UPnP Media Renderer front-end for MPD; Volumio, for example, has none of the artifacts I've experienced with gmediarender.

I will wait to see if Roon materializes on the BDP-1 and listen to how it sounds. In the meantime, I am back to MPaD  :(
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Mar 2016, 02:52 pm

Does it?
of the other players i meant , hope the bdp/mm will concur  some time soon
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 7 Mar 2016, 03:13 pm
I tried using MinimServer + BubbleUPnP with the BDP-1, as an alternative. It does work and MinimServer has none of the above library issues (well, nothing else I've tried does, either). However, the BDP-1 uses gmediarender for UPnP playback, which is unfortunate, as it (a) fails to play any of my non-DRM'd AAC files (I have to use MinimStreamer to transcode them to WAV), (b) sometimes inserts a small tick or pop between gapless tracks and (c) doesn't sound as good as MPD playback. Other MPD-based systems use upmpdci as a UPnP Media Renderer front-end for MPD; Volumio, for example, has none of the artifacts I've experienced with gmediarender.

I will wait to see if Roon materializes on the BDP-1 and listen to how it sounds. In the meantime, I am back to MPaD  :(
Its easy to setup upmpdcli on separate linux PC because it can work with remote MPD instance on BDP. However I had some bugs using upmpdcli with JRiver UPnP server so I think this is half baked solution. Cannot understand why Bryston cannot invest into developing their own high quality BDP network renderer - this will solve all problems and allow us to use Jriver based media library. I don't care about Roon - I hate to be tied with single software vendor and proprietary network cloud.   
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 7 Mar 2016, 03:35 pm
Cannot understand why Bryston cannot invest into developing their own high quality BDP network renderer...

I wish that too, but Bryston won't ever do this, because that is contrary to their philosophy, which is locally attached media playback sounds better.

Obviously, a high quality network renderer can be implemented; just ask Linn, Naim, Aurender, AURALiC or even the guys at Volumio.org.

MPD playback on the BDP-1 sounds fantastic, but options for library playback are way behind the rest of the field.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Mar 2016, 03:44 pm

Not sure about this particular Bryston philosophy you quote, i believe Chris has often written about the NAS connection, and it sounding as good as the locally attached USB drives.
Personally, i feel  there's no difference either.
IOW, that shouldn't hold Bryston from developing what u wish for.

Marius

I wish that too, but Bryston won't ever do this, because that is contrary to their philosophy, which is locally attached media playback sounds better.

Obviously, a high quality network renderer can be implemented; just ask Linn, Naim, Aurender, AURALiC or even the guys at Volumio.org.

MPD playback on the BDP-1 sounds fantastic, but options for library playback are way behind the rest of the field.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 7 Mar 2016, 03:50 pm
... Chris has often written about the NAS connection, and it sounding as good as the locally attached USB drives.

NAS and USB playback are effectively the same approach. I am talking about a network renderer, as in uPnP or DLNA control and playback. The latter gives you almost unlimited options for library management and playback control. The former (USB, NAS) leaves you with Manic Moose or a couple of MPD playback apps, none of which are currently maintained on the app stores (and all of which, in comparison, are weak).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Mar 2016, 08:10 pm
NAS and USB playback are effectively the same approach. I am talking about a network renderer, as in uPnP or DLNA control and playback. The latter gives you almost unlimited options for library management and playback control. The former (USB, NAS) leaves you with Manic Moose or a couple of MPD playback apps, none of which are currently maintained on the app stores (and all of which, in comparison, are weak).


I see, sorry for the mixup.


As for QoS of the renderers, I've yet to come across one that sounds as wonderful as the USB MPD combo. Tend to agree with the Brystonians there... Still, it could and should be better than it is now. Soundwise (as you have worded precisely enough, and also on the aspect of user friendliness and interfacing.




Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Mar 2016, 07:01 am
Discouraging. Well, it seems that these issues won't be addressed and I will stop posting my findings.

If there was a work-around for the track index issue, I would be willing to rename/re-tag things. But to update my library to accommodate MM, I would need to fix tags for track index (for which there is no work-around), separate multi-disc albums to fix that issue, rename any albums with duplicate titles from different artists (i.e. the "Greatest Hits" issue), rename all of my albums/artists that contain non-english characters. A lot of work...


Fwiw, I cleared the covert art issue just too soon..

discovered yet another rip with all issues alive... coverart not loading, mixing up the tracks. Be it tags over filename, or the other way round. MM displays them in the same wrong order
:scratch: It is a multiple cd folder, cds 1, 2, 3 and 4, and then numbering starting with .01 up to the 20's. Of 4 opera;s only the 4th (Götterdämmerung) is wrong, starting with the 4th cd... miraculous.

btw, this is a great example of the need for a direct link from the playlist file being played, to the same file in the browser folder. I now need 6/7 clicks each time i go from the folder to the playlist, including some having scrolling........


Klassiek (drive selection)/klassiek/heavy scrolling and click to wagner/ring des nibelungen/solti/gotterdammerung/tracknumber ...


please Chris, add a 1 click go to the current file playing!
also, make this long tree visible completely in the white section of the browser.





 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138713)

Cheers,
Marius





Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Mar 2016, 09:13 pm
Hi Chris

Would it be possible to move the play buttons to a position just above the playlist itself on MM Mobile? Right now we have to scroll all the way up to the top of the page for hitting play/stop/etc and then go back again to select songs.

Browsing up and down quite a bit, while that could be a lot easier.
Just a thought.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138729)

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Mar 2016, 07:23 pm
well, this is a first for me in 5/6 years: i'm playing music on the BDP1, and all seems working fine. Except there is no sound at all  :scratch: :scratch:


Im not 100% certain, but i think it is the first time i play with the latest beta build Chris made available. Has anything changed Chris? can i check a specific setting somewhere in the firmware? I see both ESI Juli@ entries, but of course don't have them disabled...

Have of course checked amps and dac which all play fine on others sources.

Please help...

Btw Chris, can we disable the popup messages? I find them quite intruding, especially on mobile. I do know by now i can put a bookmark on the desktop....don't need these 'tips' each time i load the bdp homepage.


Marius



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Mar 2016, 08:26 am
Hi Folks, Chris,

Though im not easily panicked, im starting to get worried now. I'
ve tried it all, up to a power down/up pulling the plug from the wall, all to no avail.


Still my BDP displays everything fine, no error what so ever, but no music is heard. Nothing at all, not out of the AES/EBU nor the SPDIF.

Need some guidance here,

Chris, if you're there, servicemode 110 please?
Marius


MPD log:


Mar 10 07:44 : avahi: Service 'BDP' successfully established.
Mar 10 07:44 : avahi: Service 'BDP' successfully established.
Mar 10 07:48 : alsa_output: Failed to open "ESI Juli@-00" [alsa]: Error opening ALSA device "plughw:0,0" (snd_pcm_hw_params): Device or resource busy
Mar 10 07:48 : alsa_output: Failed to open "ESI Juli@-01" [alsa]: Failed to open ALSA device "plughw:0,1": Device or resource busy
Mar 10 07:48 : output: Failed to open audio output
Mar 10 07:48 : player: problems opening audio device while playing "BRYSTON/01 - Dave's True Story/01- Misery.flac"
Mar 10 07:49 : player: played "BRYSTON/01 - Dave's True Story/01- Misery.flac"
Mar 10 07:49 : alsa_output: Failed to open "ESI Juli@-00" [alsa]: Error opening ALSA device "plughw:0,0" (snd_pcm_hw_params): Device or resource busy
Mar 10 07:49 : alsa_output: Failed to open "ESI Juli@-01" [alsa]: Failed to open ALSA device "plughw:0,1": Device or resource busy
Mar 10 07:49 : output: Failed to open audio output
Mar 10 07:49 : player: problems opening audio device while playing "BRYSTON/01 - Dave's True Story/01- Misery.flac"


well, this is a first for me in 5/6 years: i'm playing music on the BDP1, and all seems working fine. Except there is no sound at all  :scratch: :scratch:


Im not 100% certain, but i think it is the first time i play with the latest beta build Chris made available. Has anything changed Chris? can i check a specific setting somewhere in the firmware? I see both ESI Juli@ entries, but of course don't have them disabled...

Have of course checked amps and dac which all play fine on others sources.

Please help...

Btw Chris, can we disable the popup messages? I find them quite intruding, especially on mobile. I do know by now i can put a bookmark on the desktop....don't need these 'tips' each time i load the bdp homepage.


Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 10 Mar 2016, 12:45 pm
Did you try going back to a production firmware? i.e. remove the Beta you installed
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Mar 2016, 01:15 pm
Hi Folks, Chris,

Though im not easily panicked, im starting to get worried now. I'
ve tried it all, up to a power down/up pulling the plug from the wall, all to no avail.


Still my BDP displays everything fine, no error what so ever, but no music is heard. Nothing at all, not out of the AES/EBU nor the SPDIF.

Need some guidance here,

Chris, if you're there, servicemode 110 please?
Marius


MPD log:


Mar 10 07:44 : avahi: Service 'BDP' successfully established.
Mar 10 07:44 : avahi: Service 'BDP' successfully established.
Mar 10 07:48 : alsa_output: Failed to open "ESI Juli@-00" [alsa]: Error opening ALSA device "plughw:0,0" (snd_pcm_hw_params): Device or resource busy
Mar 10 07:48 : alsa_output: Failed to open "ESI Juli@-01" [alsa]: Failed to open ALSA device "plughw:0,1": Device or resource busy
Mar 10 07:48 : output: Failed to open audio output
Mar 10 07:48 : player: problems opening audio device while playing "BRYSTON/01 - Dave's True Story/01- Misery.flac"
Mar 10 07:49 : player: played "BRYSTON/01 - Dave's True Story/01- Misery.flac"
Mar 10 07:49 : alsa_output: Failed to open "ESI Juli@-00" [alsa]: Error opening ALSA device "plughw:0,0" (snd_pcm_hw_params): Device or resource busy
Mar 10 07:49 : alsa_output: Failed to open "ESI Juli@-01" [alsa]: Failed to open ALSA device "plughw:0,1": Device or resource busy
Mar 10 07:49 : output: Failed to open audio output
Mar 10 07:49 : player: problems opening audio device while playing "BRYSTON/01 - Dave's True Story/01- Misery.flac"



Perhaps you should place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Mar 2016, 01:23 pm
thats what i did, servicemode 110.


But believe it or not, after i posted the electrical net provider arrived, changed my ancient energy-meter into an intelligent one, and upon rejuicing my house, the ac adapter of my cablemodem died.... No internet for now..


Is there anything i can do myself Chris?


Marius


Perhaps you should place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Mar 2016, 01:24 pm
don't think i have a backup, but maybe Chris can tell me if thats a useful operation.


Did you try going back to a production firmware? i.e. remove the Beta you installed
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Mar 2016, 11:04 pm
You can switch between stable and testing releases by using the update firmware functionality, although the I just released another testing build so if your running a testing build you can only go back to the stable or today's testing.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Mar 2016, 06:32 am
You can switch between stable and testing releases by using the update firmware functionality, although the I just released another testing build so if your running a testing build you can only go back to the stable or today's testing.

Since my cable modem died yesterday, i wont have internet till Saturday . If there's anything else I can do in settings or ssh that could be done. Otherwise I'll have to wait.

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 11 Mar 2016, 11:00 am
You can switch between stable and testing releases by using the update firmware functionality, although the I just released another testing build so if your running a testing build you can only go back to the stable or today's testing.

I installed the latest Beta and now my BDP isn't booting fully.  The web interface is unresponsive.  A little annoying because my new BDA3 has just arrived....
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Mar 2016, 11:26 am
I installed the latest Beta and now my BDP isn't booting fully.  The web interface is unresponsive.  A little annoying because my new BDA3 has just arrived....

Hi

I installed the new beta on 2 of my BDP-2's and all is OK???

Make sure you refresh your browser.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 11 Mar 2016, 11:38 am
Hi

I installed the new beta on 2 of my BDP-2's and all is OK???

Make sure you refresh your browser.

james

It's not a browser problem.  After about 10 minutes I can get part of the page to load. It's like my BDP is looping.  Is there still ssh access to BDPs or has that been disabled? 


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138823)


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 11 Mar 2016, 11:40 am
It's not a browser problem.  After about 10 minutes I can get part of the page to load. It's like my BDP is looping.  Is there still ssh access to BDPs or has that been disabled? 


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138823)

And mine is a BDP-1
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Mar 2016, 12:28 pm
Thanks Chris, looking forward to this:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138824)


and the other treats to of course ;) :thumb:
Marius


HI Chris,


Would you consider and be able to allow MM to have a less black interface? Often i find it very difficult to see the contrasting parts of the interface, and in certain lighting conditions, find the white on black to be rather fatiguing to the eye.
Somehow i hope you can have a lighter (grey even) background with darker letters, like print, as an option? Like in the folder bar on the left of MM. Far easier on the eye. For me that is (50+... needing reading glasses, having reading issues in darker conditions etc etc...)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Mar 2016, 12:47 pm
It's not a browser problem.  After about 10 minutes I can get part of the page to load. It's like my BDP is looping.  Is there still ssh access to BDPs or has that been disabled? 

Are the front panel buttons responsive?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: RonCH on 11 Mar 2016, 12:49 pm
Are the front panel buttons responsive?

they work.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 11 Mar 2016, 04:32 pm
BDP-2  S2.24 2016-02-08  Chrome

Chris: ( feature request )
 Put a new album in an existing playlist which adds it to the bottom of the playlist.  Tried moving the tracks to the alphabetically proper location, but the sequence numbers would not change reflecting it's new position.  Was going to use MPAD, but was too lazy to go downstairs. :|

 When I opened the playlist in Wordpad the location of the new album was on the bottom indicating moving tracks in MM does not stick.  I was able to cut and paste the album in Wordpad to the proper location and save, which did work, but that is not user friendly.  Guess I could just write the path into Wordpad and skip using MM or MPAD.

 Seems like it would be easier to move the tracks in MM and have the sequence number change based on the new location.  Even better would be the option to add using "Play Next".

 I also attempted to re-order the playlists in alphabetical order in the right pane.  This does not stick either.

     Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Mar 2016, 05:09 pm
FYI, With the last set of Beta releases and the current, stable release, album art generation for the Artist View is broken (again).

This is on my FLAC/AAC/MP3 collection that used to reliably generate album art. Now, any album with a title containing non English characters fails to build thumbnails. Such as:

Album title: Liszt: Piano Sonata In B Minor, Funérailles, Etc.
Artist: CéU

... accent characters seem to be the problem, whether in the album title or in the artist name, as noted after rebuilding and reviewing my 15,000+ track library.

Using:

S2.22 2016-01-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Chris,

Any chance this is on the roadmap to be fixed? I've seen others respond that they are experiencing similar issues.

I can work-around most other issues with Manic Moose (like separating multi-disc albums, adding artists names to duplicate album titles, et al.), but this one would require me to rename thousands of files and folders (I have a lot of classical music).

Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Mar 2016, 06:23 pm
You can switch between stable and testing releases by using the update firmware functionality, although the I just released another testing build so if your running a testing build you can only go back to the stable or today's testing.

Thanks to Chris (kinda cryptic pm's ;-). ) I've got my Bdp making noise again !! Deselected /disabled squeezeslave, dlna and shairplay, and voila  :thumb:  :thumb:

Now to know which of those caused it and didn't release its service as it should have... We'll find out later. First some Ring..

Btw because my internet is down in the home network (which is working fine) I've found out I can't reach the bdp wirelessly. Which is unexpected since I'm connecting to an AirPlay express that gets its address from the same switch as the bdp. :scratch:

Wired things work out beautifully, resulting in succes for now.

Cheers, and have a great weekend all!

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Mar 2016, 07:13 pm
Chris,

Any chance this is on the roadmap to be fixed? I've seen others respond that they are experiencing similar issues.

I can work-around most other issues with Manic Moose (like separating multi-disc albums, adding artists names to duplicate album titles, et al.), but this one would require me to rename thousands of files and folders (I have a lot of classical music).

Thanks.

Still trying to sort that one out, i've tried to reproduce this without success.  I've added accented character to existing stuff, new stuff, copied stuff; it all works.  The only thing i've come across to give me any grief are back ticks, key shared with tilda (~).  At this point I'm considering going back to scratch drive type system to store cover art in a "proprietary" method so that characters can't create any kind of havoc.  It won't help customers using mPad or other MPD clients, but atleast our web interface would be more solid.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Mar 2016, 07:25 pm
Still trying to sort that one out, i've tried to reproduce this without success.  I've added accented character to existing stuff, new stuff, copied stuff; it all works.  The only thing i've come across to give me any grief are back ticks, key shared with tilda (~).  At this point I'm considering going back to scratch drive type system to store cover art in a "proprietary" method so that characters can't create any kind of havoc.  It won't help customers using mPad or other MPD clients, but atleast our web interface would be more solid.

Some data points:

(1) This is a relatively new issue and may coincide with your change to how you are storing art work (i.e. I used to get thumbnails for all of my albums, but then sometime ago albums with accents and umlauts stopped processing).

(2) I am hosting my files on an external USB drive formatted on a Mac with FAT32; are you using FAT32 on your storage, as well?

(3) MPaD and MPDroid have none of these issues, but of course they are pulling the "Folder.jpg" file from the album folder, directly.

I can send you some example FLAC files, if that helps, zipped-up to include the complete file path. On my MacBook's Drobo (HFS+), an example file path that won't build thumbnails:

/Volumes/Drobo/My DLNA Music/Hi-Res DLNA/Classical Piano/Hélène Grimaud/Water (Live)/07-Jeux d'eau, M. 30.flac

On the bdp-1, the same folder shows question marks for these chars: é è and the thumbnails fail to build for all albums from Hélène Grimaud.

But, again, I can browse by folder via MPaD and everything appears as it should.

Thanks, again, for looking into this.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ishmael010 on 11 Mar 2016, 09:57 pm
Chris-
I emailed you on the results of the beta firmware on my bdp-2.  When ripping CDs, it wasn't adding any of the album information, no title, author, cover artwork, nothing.  I tried it with 5 different CDs, same results.  I didn't really have an opportunity to check whether the hardware-specific ripping buttons worked rather than the software, this kind of got in the way.  I reloaded the previous firmware from February, and the problem went away.  As I mentioned in the email, one problem that popped up was that on a couple albums, the software only ripped the first 3 songs, then the unit ejected the CD and ripping ceased.  I was able to reload and re-rip the CD and that read and ripped all the tracks the second time.  I don't know what the problem is, and hoped you might shed some light on it.

Regards,

Dane
Still trying to sort that one out, i've tried to reproduce this without success.  I've added accented character to existing stuff, new stuff, copied stuff; it all works.  The only thing i've come across to give me any grief are back ticks, key shared with tilda (~).  At this point I'm considering going back to scratch drive type system to store cover art in a "proprietary" method so that characters can't create any kind of havoc.  It won't help customers using mPad or other MPD clients, but atleast our web interface would be more solid.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 15 Mar 2016, 12:26 pm
It won't help customers using mPad or other MPD clients, but atleast our web interface would be more solid.

FWIW, I am not having any album art issues with either MPaD or MPDroid; however, I've been careful to place a Folder.jpg file into each album folder and configure the above apps to look for them.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Mar 2016, 12:33 pm
Hi Chris,


Did you add the crossfade.jpg to librarydoctor scan yet?
Thanks,
Marius


HI Chris,


Can't send images on the private messages so please allow me to post here.
Could you program the library doctor to search and delete for all files MM previously created in our libraries: adding crossfade.jpg to the already searched files bdp_front_44.jpg and bdp_front_250.jpg.




 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138383)


I've found the bdp_front files in .png format too, the doctor apparently doesn't find these? If so, please add that?


Also, please have the doctor search per drive, since my first attempt to run it hangs, presumably because of library size/amount of found files to delete.


Making this available in Disk Information would be really nice.


Thanks in advance,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Mar 2016, 07:00 pm
HI Chris,,


Finally got around to check this. I am afraid its not really what i was hoping to see, the invertion of the colour isn't as easy on the eye as anticipated, or even readable. Did you check it on your BDP's?


Sorry to say Chris, but if this is all you can put in for now, you might as well take it out again.




 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139164)


Cheers,
Marius




Thanks Chris, looking forward to this:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138824)


and the other treats to of course ;) :thumb:
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Mar 2016, 07:08 pm
HI Chris,,


Finally got around to check this. I am afraid its not really what i was hoping to see, the invertion of the colour isn't as easy on the eye as anticipated, or even readable. Did you check it on your BDP's?


Sorry to say Chris, but if this is all you can put in for now, you might as well take it out again.




 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139164)


Cheers,
Marius

The show missing files and folders is difficult to read (which i don't use) but otherwise i have been using it non stop on my BDP-2.  Its a direct inversion of existing colour scheme.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Mar 2016, 07:41 pm
Yep, You're sure right not showing the missing files makes it a lot better.


Please let me re-post a question on the window-behavior of MM.


Whenever one clicks "back" the screen scrolls up just a bit too far, leaving those buttons only half in the picture. Can you adjust that? No need to scroll all the way up in the first place, secondly: Certainly not this far:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139169)


This would be much better:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139170)


Preferably even like this, having the command center in the picture all the time, scrolling only needed in the MM file/folder browser, not the safari-browser window:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139171)

Cheers,
Marius


The show missing files and folders is difficult to read (which i don't use) but otherwise i have been using it non stop on my BDP-2.  Its a direct inversion of existing colour scheme.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 15 Mar 2016, 09:30 pm

Default View is ignoring the Disc Number tags in audio files.

For example: Album contains two discs (or albums), Disc 1 and Disc 2.

Disc 1
 Song 1-1
 Song 1-2
Disc 2
 Song 2-1
 Song 2-2

In the Artists View, this is displayed correctly and songs are added to the playback queue in the correct order.

In the Default View, songs are added by track index, ignoring the disc order:
Song 1-1
Song 2-1
Song 1-2
Song 2-2

Using:

S2.23 2016-02-04
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Thanks.

EDIT: there is a corollary to this issue. With AAC tracks from iTunes, Manic Moose is mis-ordering albums with more than 9 tracks.

For example, Album has 12 tracks, ordered as followed in the Default View:

1
10
11
12
2
...
9

These tracks include track N of M and disc number tags, as well.

From what I can tell, this is limited to tracks that are AAC files from iTunes (my FLAC files don't do this, from what I can tell).

UPDATE: after some more testing, I've determined that the:

1, 10, 11, 2, 3 ... 9

...track ordering issue is ONLY for multi-disc albums, as described at the beginning of the quoted comment, regardless of encoder type (i.e. FLAC, AAC, MP3). I know at one time I was seeing this with a FLAC version of Grateful Dead's "American Beauty", with one disc and 10 tracks, but no more. Now, I only see this with multi-disc albums.

I went though my library and, to my surprise, out of 1,145 albums, 14,637 tracks, I only have 101 multi-disc albums.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 16 Mar 2016, 04:26 am
Yes, this please! Especially with/for phone/tablet use!

Yep, You're sure right not showing the missing files makes it a lot better.


Please let me re-post a question on the window-behavior of MM.


Whenever one clicks "back" the screen scrolls up just a bit too far, leaving those buttons only half in the picture. Can you adjust that? No need to scroll all the way up in the first place, secondly: Certainly not this far:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139169)


This would be much better:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139170)


Preferably even like this, having the command center in the picture all the time, scrolling only needed in the MM file/folder browser, not the safari-browser window:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139171)

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 Mar 2016, 08:31 am
Grit is right, mobile this is even more of a topic/priority.

Of course, that is why i also asked earlier if you could move the command buttons down, to right atop of the file browser, and not all the way up, above the Album-art, in the mobile version MM
.


Thanks,
Marius
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Yes, this please! Especially with/for phone/tablet use!
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Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: StigO on 17 Mar 2016, 06:04 pm
Is it possible to get all of the albumart to download from Tidal?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139285)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 18 Mar 2016, 04:19 pm
Hi Chris,

OK. I updated to this morning's BETA build:

S2.25 2016-03-17
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

and reset/rebuilt the Bryston DB.

The album art issue has both good and bad news:

Good News: The previous issue of albums with path names containing special characters appears to be resolved. That is, I can look at my classical titles and they are now displaying art work for the thumbnails in the Artiist View. Nice.

Bad News: a lot of other albums are now missing art work and I can't discern a pattern to indicate what might be happening. I am seeing FLAC and AAC albums missing art work, even though I can look at the file's meta data and, in most cases, there is definitely embedded art work.

Also, every folder has a Folder.jpg which does not appear to be displayed - ever. For example, looking at the attached image:

"Donovan's Greatest Hits" are FLAC files with embedded artwork and a matching Folder.jpg in the folder - displays black box;

"Storyteller [Audio Fidelity]" are FLAC files WITHOUT embedded artwork and WITH a Folder.jpg in the folder - displays Bryston artwork image;

I have verified that Folder is set as the default art work filename (I've had it set this way for a long time).

Maybe I can help more if you would share the algorithm used to process art work. With that information, I can go back into my library and see what's happening.

- Ken


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139317)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139318)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 18 Mar 2016, 04:43 pm
Follow-up to the above, looking at the new options in the media player:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139318)

I am not sure what behavior these options modify:

For example, IGNORE CASE AND TYPE, might allow lower case albums to sort within the same ordering, regardless of case. However, looking at the image below, this isn't what I've observed with either the Default View or the Artists View:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139319)

Additionally, Default Library Jump setting doesn't seem to affect the positioning of the media player, no matter which of the three settings I choose and after re-loading the browser. In all cases, jumping to the next track scrolls the entire media player to the bottom, hiding the transport controls above the browser top crease:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139320)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Mar 2016, 02:21 pm
The two new drop down menu's under the media player settings page only effect the default view (three columns).  The idea is when you click the back button and it brings the last folder into view it then brings either the back button into view or the transport controls.

The intended order of the artist view to get cover art goes as follows currently

Looks for bryston_bdp-44.jpg, if not found it looks for a jpg or png with a file name specified in your priority list (suppose to not be case sensitive).  It currently stops there.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vonnie123 on 20 Mar 2016, 07:50 am
Like the reverse screen settings..... :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 20 Mar 2016, 01:10 pm
The two new drop down menu's under the media player settings page only effect the default view (three columns).  The idea is when you click the back button and it brings the last folder into view it then brings either the back button into view or the transport controls.

The intended order of the artist view to get cover art goes as follows currently

Looks for bryston_bdp-44.jpg, if not found it looks for a jpg or png with a file name specified in your priority list (suppose to not be case sensitive).  It currently stops there.

Ok, thanks. I'm traveling this week. I will dig into this, next weekend.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 22 Mar 2016, 08:56 am
Hi Chris,


Not sure where to post this question, and maybe it's been covered before (..)


Right now I've attached 3 WD Passports to my BDP1. 2 to the back usb ports, 1 to the front. Since those ports divide all available usb power, would it be any issue if i attached some sort of usb-switch to one of the back ports, and hookup all 3 Passport from there? front usb looks silly really with the cable sticking out, and the harddrive in full frontal view.. Id rather hide it ;)


I know 3 passports are a heavy burden for the BDP1, but it works really well. Reloading a full library, or re-indexing sometimes need several tries, but if all hard work is done, the BDP1 manages fine.


Would hope that a port powered usb switch at the back would give the same result?


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 22 Mar 2016, 10:35 pm
HI Chris,


dEUS shows up in the correct place (ignore case), librarydoctor finds and kills crossfade.jpg (among others), a better focus in the MM windows with controls in view, inverted colors for better visibility. What can i say but a great thank you!  :thumb: :thumb:
A big leap for this latest beta-firmware indeed.

Cheers,

Marius


The two new drop down menu's under the media player settings page only effect the default view (three columns).  The idea is when you click the back button and it brings the last folder into view it then brings either the back button into view or the transport controls.

The intended order of the artist view to get cover art goes as follows currently

Looks for bryston_bdp-44.jpg, if not found it looks for a jpg or png with a file name specified in your priority list (suppose to not be case sensitive).  It currently stops there.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 24 Mar 2016, 11:58 am
Hi All,

On the BDP1 Settings screen is is constantly showing the CPU as over 100% is this normal???......I don't seem to recall this being the case...

For example — Services - CPU:109.5% - MEM:97.9% - SWAP: 25%


Equally, now the BDP is taking between 30-60 seconds for the webpage to appear or to move around the varying screens.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Mar 2016, 04:15 pm
Hi All,

On the BDP1 Settings screen is is constantly showing the CPU as over 100% is this normal???......I don't seem to recall this being the case...

For example — Services - CPU:109.5% - MEM:97.9% - SWAP: 25%


Equally, now the BDP is taking between 30-60 seconds for the webpage to appear or to move around the varying screens.

Thank you.

Sounds like something is running in the background using up more cpu cycles then it should, if you place it in service mode and email me the service id we can see what it might be.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Jhayman on 25 Mar 2016, 01:08 am
Hi Chris
New to the BDP-2 I'm using the latest firmware MM
My DB has been stuck at 36% updating for a few weeks, how do I get it to go further..
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 25 Mar 2016, 11:04 am
Hi Chris,


Not sure where to post this question, and maybe it's been covered before (..)


Right now I've attached 3 WD Passports to my BDP1. 2 to the back usb ports, 1 to the front. Since those ports divide all available usb power, would it be any issue if i attached some sort of usb-switch to one of the back ports, and hookup all 3 Passport from there? front usb looks silly really with the cable sticking out, and the harddrive in full frontal view.. Id rather hide it ;)


I know 3 passports are a heavy burden for the BDP1, but it works really well. Reloading a full library, or re-indexing sometimes need several tries, but if all hard work is done, the BDP1 manages fine.


Would hope that a port powered usb switch at the back would give the same result?


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

I've used a powered USB Hub, plugged into a power strip, and feeding 3 500GB drives. The Hub then plugs into one port (USB A-B cord) of my BDP-1. No power issues/hiccups whatsoever. Prior to this, I was having hiccups with the drives plugged into the USB ports of BDP-1.

I also use Loony Loon, not Moose.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 25 Mar 2016, 12:19 pm

Thank you CM,
Care to share the brand of your Hub?
There are many exotic ones, mine would be stashed away out of sight, so no optical design considerations to be met, just quality of build.

Marius




Hi Marius,

I've used a powered USB Hub, plugged into a power strip, and feeding 3 500GB drives. The Hub then plugs into one port (USB A-B cord) of my BDP-1. No power issues/hiccups whatsoever. Prior to this, I was having hiccups with the drives plugged into the USB ports of BDP-1.

I also use Loony Loon, not Moose.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 25 Mar 2016, 12:31 pm
Thank you CM,
Care to share the brand of your Hub?
There are many exotic ones, mine would be stashed away out of sight, so no optical design considerations to be met, just quality of build.

Marius



Here you go:

https://www.startech.com/ca/Cards-Adapters/USB-3.0/Hubs/6-Port-USB-3-USB-Combo-Hub-with-2A-Charging-Port-2x-USB-3-4x-USB-2~ST7320USBC
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 25 Mar 2016, 12:33 pm

Thanks! (Need 3 usb 3 ports though...) will check their website.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Mar 2016, 02:47 pm
Hi Chris,


Not sure where to post this question, and maybe it's been covered before (..)


Right now I've attached 3 WD Passports to my BDP1. 2 to the back usb ports, 1 to the front. Since those ports divide all available usb power, would it be any issue if i attached some sort of usb-switch to one of the back ports, and hookup all 3 Passport from there? front usb looks silly really with the cable sticking out, and the harddrive in full frontal view.. Id rather hide it ;)


I know 3 passports are a heavy burden for the BDP1, but it works really well. Reloading a full library, or re-indexing sometimes need several tries, but if all hard work is done, the BDP1 manages fine.


Would hope that a port powered usb switch at the back would give the same result?


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

Your already likely pushing what the BDP-1 can deliver to two of those USB ports, if you do add a USB HUB it may need to be a powered USB HUB.  You'll want a USB HUB that comes with atleast a 2Amp power supply.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 25 Mar 2016, 02:52 pm
check Chris,


Thanks, i will try that most definitely.


(will testdrive a port-powered version also to see what gives. You never know. As you say, it was already unexpected the 3 Passports would work. If they do, and they do, why wouldn't they do so over a bus-powered usb hub..)


Will report back after http://www.staatsoper-berlin.de/en_EN/calendar-2015-2016/parsifal.13111389 (http://www.staatsoper-berlin.de/en_EN/calendar-2015-2016/parsifal.13111389)


Happy Easter!


Marius




Hi Marius,

Your already likely pushing what the BDP-1 can deliver to two of those USB ports, if you do add a USB HUB it may need to be a powered USB HUB.  You'll want a USB HUB that comes with atleast a 2Amp power supply.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ritchief on 26 Mar 2016, 12:53 pm
Hi All,

On the BDP1 Settings screen is is constantly showing the CPU as over 100% is this normal???......I don't seem to recall this being the case...

For example — Services - CPU:109.5% - MEM:97.9% - SWAP: 25%


Equally, now the BDP is taking between 30-60 seconds for the webpage to appear or to move around the varying screens.

Thank you.

Ok, So I thought I would update on where I am with my issue. I now strongly believe that Shairplay is the culprit of all all my issues. As soon as I enable it the CPU shoots up to 130% plus and then lock the BDP out.

Has anyone else experienced this issue, if so, what was you remedy.

Thank you in advance.

Rich.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 27 Mar 2016, 05:10 am
Hi Chris,

OK. I updated to this morning's BETA build:

S2.25 2016-03-17
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

and reset/rebuilt the Bryston DB.

The album art issue has both good and bad news:

Good News: The previous issue of albums with path names containing special characters appears to be resolved. That is, I can look at my classical titles and they are now displaying art work for the thumbnails in the Artiist View. Nice.

Bad News: a lot of other albums are now missing art work and I can't discern a pattern to indicate what might be happening. I am seeing FLAC and AAC albums missing art work, even though I can look at the file's meta data and, in most cases, there is definitely embedded art work.

Also, every folder has a Folder.jpg which does not appear to be displayed - ever. For example, looking at the attached image:

"Donovan's Greatest Hits" are FLAC files with embedded artwork and a matching Folder.jpg in the folder - displays black box;

"Storyteller [Audio Fidelity]" are FLAC files WITHOUT embedded artwork and WITH a Folder.jpg in the folder - displays Bryston artwork image;

I have verified that Folder is set as the default art work filename (I've had it set this way for a long time).

Maybe I can help more if you would share the algorithm used to process art work. With that information, I can go back into my library and see what's happening.

- Ken


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139317)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139318)

Follow-up in the album art issue:

1. See the screen capture below, which shows bdp_front_44 & 250.jpg files, as well as Folder.jpg, which is not displayed. Also, in the same screen capture, I am showing that all tracks have embedded art work (500x500 pixel jpeg from the same source). As shown above, this displays as a black box on Artist View. Note that I am directly mounting the SMB share from the BDP-1.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139941)


2. See the screen capture below, which shows NO bdp_front_*.jpg images, but does include a Folder.jpg, which is not displayed. Also, in the same screen capture, I am showing that none of the tracks have embedded art work. As shown above, this displays as a bryston default image.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139942)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 27 Mar 2016, 07:40 pm
UPDATE: after some more testing, I've determined that the:

1, 10, 11, 2, 3 ... 9

...track ordering issue is ONLY for multi-disc albums, as described at the beginning of the quoted comment, regardless of encoder type (i.e. FLAC, AAC, MP3). I know at one time I was seeing this with a FLAC version of Grateful Dead's "American Beauty", with one disc and 10 tracks, but no more. Now, I only see this with multi-disc albums.

I went though my library and, to my surprise, out of 1,145 albums, 14,637 tracks, I only have 101 multi-disc albums.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139956)


I had some downtime last week, while traveling, so I manually split up my multi-disc albums, adding [Disc 1/2/3] to the album title and stripped out the disc numbers from the meta data.

Problem solved, for me, anyway, but still something to look into...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 4 Apr 2016, 01:42 pm
Another data point on the album art issue: I've noticed some albums that fail to generate the smaller thumbnail, but the larger one is OK.

See attached screen shot:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=140449)

Then, looking at the folder on the mounted USB drive:


-rwxr-xr-x 1 bryston root    44814 Apr  2 19:31 bdp_front_250.jpg
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bryston root           0 Apr  2 19:31 bdp_front_44.jpg


I have a number of these, where one of the thumbnails fails to generate. The folder.jpg files (also used as the embedded art work) is 1498x1498 pixels. The converter in use may be running out of RAM while scaling down the thumbnails?

I know that in the earlier example (Donovan, see above) Donovan's Greatest Hits artwork is 800x800 pixels and the other one, Donovan (Storyteller) is 500x500 pixels. In the former case, we get the a black box and in the latter case, we get the default Bryston image.

Are there size limitations on the embedded artwork and/or the folder.jpg file?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 6 Apr 2016, 05:59 pm
Spent some time this morning with the latest BETA build:

S2.25 2016-04-05
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

... thanks for adding the Soundirok covertart.php script into the build - very helpful.

I tried this out, after renaming all of my 'artists' images to 'thumb.jpg' to match the script's defaults and all of my artist images loaded, just fine. I also looked at my albums and with the exception of roughly seven (7 out 1200+), all of those loaded, as well. Not sure what was wrong with a handful of albums. It was easy to locate the missing album covers in the app, so I re-embedded the artwork and ensured that each had a 'folder.jpg' (they already did), but no dice. So, I went back to using the 'Collection URL' and 'Cover/Artist Thumb Filename' settings in the app and everything displays nicely.

While I was at it, I looked (again) at some of the many album thumbnails not displaying in MM and have concluded that MM simply is ignoring the 'folder.jpg' file, if it has problems processing the embedded artwork (or there is no embedded art work). I even tried re-embedding and/or scaling artwork for some of these to see if that changed anything; it didn't, even after clearing my browser cache.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: tie_breaker on 8 Apr 2016, 11:47 pm
How do we update the firmware to the latest beta? I am currently running 2016-02-08 which per bdp-2 seems to be the latest stable release. Is there a different way to update to beta release?
Thx
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: mrderrick on 9 Apr 2016, 12:51 am
Hopefully someone can comment on an issue that I have been experiencing intermittently with my BDP-1.
Every now and then, the display on the BDP-1 locks onto a music track title, my play list keeps playing in order but the display stays on the same track.
Any suggested fix?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 9 Apr 2016, 10:54 am
Chris

Are there any operating notes to go with (what I understand  to be) the memory play options from the prev and next buttons on front panel?

I have resumed using my BDP2 with an Plextor BD drive, the basic play and ripping options seem much improved now and I can also get  the memory play functions working too, but the latter only works for the first disc after startup, hangs on the second or subsequent attempts.  I'm also that mystified why the folders that memory play adds to the media player seem to persist even after rebooting BDP.

Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: docder on 9 Apr 2016, 03:23 pm
Hopefully someone can comment on an issue that I have been experiencing intermittently with my BDP-1.
Every now and then, the display on the BDP-1 locks onto a music track title, my play list keeps playing in order but the display stays on the same track.
Any suggested fix?

I usually find that refreshing the page from the browser url bar brings the mpd page back up to date.

docder
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: docder on 9 Apr 2016, 03:30 pm
How do we update the firmware to the latest beta? I am currently running 2016-02-08 which per bdp-2 seems to be the latest stable release. Is there a different way to update to beta release?
Thx

James posted this in another thread recently,

Quote from: docder on  4 Apr 2016, 05:08 pm
Hi James,

I'm using MM software and happy with it. Could I ask, how does one get hold of the beta versions.


docder

Go to your browser and load MM. Then go to Update Firmware at the bottom of Dashboard and hit there.

The when the update software loads at the top of the browser add #beta to the end and hit enter.

This will load the beta version for you to try

James

docder
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 10 Apr 2016, 03:09 am
Album art issue: I finally have determined why some of my albums are not displaying thumbnails in the Artists View:

Quote
Any Artist Name or Album Title with an apostrophe (or single quote: ' ) fails to display in Artists View.

I went through and found a number of albums without thumbnails being displayed, yet found bdp_front_44 and _250 images in their respective folders; images that are correctly sized and display the correct album art.

After trying a number of things, like re-embedding scaled images, resetting the DB, et al., I noticed that all of the albums failing to display had this characteristic. So, I went through my entire collection in the Artists view and, yes, I can't find a single album that is displaying artwork with the above pattern, but almost every other album *is* displaying artwork. I did find some albums without embedded artwork, but even with a folder.jpg, nothing displays in the browser.

Some examples:

Grateful Dead: American Beauty (OK), Working Man's Dead (nope), History Of The Grateful Dead Vol. 1 (Bear's Choice) (nope)

Jethro Tull: Aqualung (OK), Benefit (OK), ... , A Passion Play The Château d'Hérouville Sessions (nope)

Lou Reed: Rock 'n' Roll Animal (nope)

Oasis: (What's the Story) Morning Glory? (nope), Definitely Maybe (OK), Oasis MTV Unplugged (OK), Time Flies... 1994-2009 (OK)

Erich Kunzel: Beethoven: Wellington's Victory; Liszt: Battle Of The Huns (nope), Tchaikovsky: 1812 Overture, Capriccio Italien, Etc (OK)
 
There are some others failing to update, like: Sinéad O'Connor, Osmo Vänskä and a couple of others that have hashtags in the album titles, but the vast majority fit the above pattern.

You're Welcome  :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Apr 2016, 07:08 am
Hi Krutsch,

Do you see album art in default view with those files?
I've tried some of your examples, and then some, images are displayed in default view without exception.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=140887)

Btw, has the 'hold back-button' (Go to root of folder) functionality disappeared? Doesn't work anymore on MM mobile.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Apr 2016, 07:11 am
Hi Chris
How can we leave out the tip showing on each and every load of the homepage please?

I've had a full screen shortcut on the homepage for ages, and MM still keeps asking....


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=140888)

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Apr 2016, 08:07 am
anyone else has issues getting into Settings on Mobile (iPhone) MM?


Only way for me right know to reach the MM settings menu, is by entering through my desktop apps. Chrome, Safari and Firefox all halt on mobile. Only killing and reloading the app relives it again, no refresh of the page possible.


Maybe it has to do with the Add blocking apps I've installed on the iPhone, didn't check yet. Still, its adding to the frustrating experience MM Mobile gives right now.


Only using MPOD/PAd and desktop lately.


Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Apr 2016, 11:51 am
talking about editing tags and digital files...


Bought the new Johannes Passion on Harmonia Mundi SACD http://store.harmoniamundi.com/bach-st-john-s-passion.html and was pleasantly surprised it included a free digital 24 bit download of the recording. Always felt SACD should include that, but this is a first.
This is what it looks like though:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=140891)


..
Sunday well spent  :?

[/size][size=78%]Cheers,[/size]
[/size]Marius[size=78%]

[/size][size=78%] [/size][size=78%]
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: The Sandman on 10 Apr 2016, 12:36 pm
I'm running the stable version and I'm suddenly having an issue where the "Firmware Upgrade Available" notice pops up on my dashboard but there is in fact no new version available when I try to upgrade. Going through the upgrade process doesn't change anything - same version, same upgrade message a few days later.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 10 Apr 2016, 01:13 pm
anyone else has issues getting into Settings on Mobile (iPhone) MM?


Only way for me right know to reach the MM settings menu, is by entering through my desktop apps. Chrome, Safari and Firefox all halt on mobile. Only killing and reloading the app relives it again, no refresh of the page possible.


Maybe it has to do with the Add blocking apps I've installed on the iPhone, didn't check yet. Still, its adding to the frustrating experience MM Mobile gives right now.


Only using MPOD/PAd and desktop lately.


Marius

Hi
No problem getting into settings using iphone5
David
BDP-2

S2.25 2016-04-05
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 10 Apr 2016, 01:42 pm
Hi Krutsch,

Do you see album art in default view with those files?
I've tried some of your examples, and then some, images are displayed in default view without exception.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=140887)

Btw, has the 'hold back-button' (Go to root of folder) functionality disappeared? Doesn't work anymore on MM mobile.

Cheers,
Marius

Yes. In default view, during playback, I always see album art. What I am describing refers to issues in artist view with the thumbnails.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Apr 2016, 05:26 pm
Hi,


Do you use any blocking tools? Adblocker by f-secure, Blocker, Crystal?
Mine is a BDP1 btw, maybe that's more limited in html traffic , i do see a lot of the -1 (websockets according to Chris)


Cheers,
Marius


Hi
No problem getting into settings using iphone5
David
BDP-2

S2.25 2016-04-05
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 10 Apr 2016, 05:44 pm
Hi
No add blocking tools on iPhone or iPad
Regards
David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Apr 2016, 07:02 pm
Hi Krutsch,

Do you see album art in default view with those files?
I've tried some of your examples, and then some, images are displayed in default view without exception.

...


Marius,

So, in your example, do you see any thumbnails displayed in the 'Artist View' for this album?

Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Apr 2016, 07:10 pm
Hi Ken (sorry for the Krutsch before, didn't know),


I got so frustrated by Artist view before, i disabled it. Tried it again when Chris changed into using BrystonDB, but it didn't work. My library is too large.


It really is too bad, because before MM, i had my album art available, even as wallpaper.. ;) Don't remember the name for that anymore.


To cut it short: i don't use Artist view. It never worked for me.
Only browse the filemanager/finder way in default view, which resembles my way of going through my physical library best.
Or, i use Mpad/Pod.


I am a bit reluctant to try the Bryston DB again, because resetting it is such a hassle with an extensive library, and i always forget the order. reset, save, deselect, reboot. I wish it were a bit easier to setup.




Cheers,
Marius






Marius,

So, in your example, do you see any thumbnails displayed in the 'Artist View' for this album?

Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Apr 2016, 07:14 pm
^^ OK, sorry to hear that and thanks for the reply.

Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vonnie123 on 11 Apr 2016, 09:44 pm
I gave up on the Bryston DB.  It freezes, or when it runs to 100 percent, it gives a corrupted message.  Manic Moose works for basic functions - it's too bad another off the shelf program can't be supplied and adapted with improved functionality.



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Apr 2016, 09:54 pm
I gave up on the Bryston DB.  It freezes, or when it runs to 100 percent, it gives a corrupted message.  Manic Moose works for basic functions - it's too bad another off the shelf program can't be supplied and adapted with improved functionality.

There are viable options, like Volumio.org, but Bryston has chosen its path. It has gotten WAY better from a year ago, but it has some distance to travel and I find it unusable on an iPad or phone.

I am patiently waiting hoping for Roon Bridge to materialize on the BDP, in which case it will be settled for me and I can purchase a second BDP for my living room. Alternatively, I am optimistic with what I've seen with Soundirok and am waiting for the next update, in which case I will stick with MPD playback.

The BDP sounds so nice, IMO, that's it worth the wait for me to see how this unfolds, but I am holding off on any further purchases until this settles.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vonnie123 on 12 Apr 2016, 06:23 am
There are viable options, like Volumio.org, but Bryston has chosen its path. It has gotten WAY better from a year ago, but it has some distance to travel and I find it unusable on an iPad or phone.

I am patiently waiting hoping for Roon Bridge to materialize on the BDP, in which case it will be settled for me and I can purchase a second BDP for my living room. Alternatively, I am optimistic with what I've seen with Soundirok and am waiting for the next update, in which case I will stick with MPD playback.

The BDP sounds so nice, IMO, that's it worth the wait for me to see how this unfolds, but I am holding off on any further purchases until this settles.

I'm in the same boat.  I really like the Roon Tidal combo and hope the BDP can be used as an end point.  If not, probably will pick up something from Sonore.  No hurry since for now I can use the BDP-1 as a squeeze player or with MPad.  I looked at the Soundirok app, and didn't have much luck with it, especially with the artwork.  Found Roon about then, and shelved playing with Soundirok.  My network skills admittedly need some work.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Apr 2016, 11:27 am
Meanwhile, playing around might be interesting, or at least fun, especially with the BDP-PI in mind:


PIFI – HOW TO NETWORK YOUR MAC MUSIC SYSTEM WITH THE RASPBERRY PI AND HIFIBERRY – PART 1  (http://www.hifizine.com/2015/10/pifi-how-to-network-your-mac-music-system-with-the-raspberry-pi-and-hifiberry-part-1/)
PIFI – HOW TO NETWORK YOUR MAC MUSIC SYSTEM WITH THE RASPBERRY PI AND HIFIBERRY – PART 2 (http://www.hifizine.com/2016/02/pifi-how-to-network-your-mac-music-system-with-the-raspberry-pi-and-hifiberry-part-2/)


Seems to work with the already discussed Minimserver on this thread, and the free Linn Kinsky (https://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/DownloadKinsky), maybe that's an interface worth our while. Screens looking promising!
some more background : http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac and http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/UPnP




Cheers,
Marius






There are viable options, like Volumio.org, but Bryston has chosen its path. It has gotten WAY better from a year ago, but it has some distance to travel and I find it unusable on an iPad or phone.

I am patiently waiting hoping for Roon Bridge to materialize on the BDP, in which case it will be settled for me and I can purchase a second BDP for my living room. Alternatively, I am optimistic with what I've seen with Soundirok and am waiting for the next update, in which case I will stick with MPD playback.

The BDP sounds so nice, IMO, that's it worth the wait for me to see how this unfolds, but I am holding off on any further purchases until this settles.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 12 Apr 2016, 12:30 pm
Meanwhile, playing around might be interesting, or at least fun, especially with the BDP-PI in mind:

PIFI – HOW TO NETWORK YOUR MAC MUSIC SYSTEM WITH THE RASPBERRY PI AND HIFIBERRY – PART 1  (http://www.hifizine.com/2015/10/pifi-how-to-network-your-mac-music-system-with-the-raspberry-pi-and-hifiberry-part-1/)
PIFI – HOW TO NETWORK YOUR MAC MUSIC SYSTEM WITH THE RASPBERRY PI AND HIFIBERRY – PART 2 (http://www.hifizine.com/2016/02/pifi-how-to-network-your-mac-music-system-with-the-raspberry-pi-and-hifiberry-part-2/)

Seems to work with the already discussed Minimserver on this thread, and the free Linn Kinsky (https://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/DownloadKinsky), maybe that's an interface worth our while. Screens looking promising!
some more background : http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac and http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/UPnP


Cheers,
Marius

I've spent quite a bit of time playing around with MinimServer + Linn Kinsky (and the much better Linn Kazoo). With a Volumio endpoint, it all works really, really well and integrates Tidal nicely with BubbleUPnPServerv + Linn Kazoo, as well as your local library. MinimServer is an amazing piece of software; a learning curve, but is unbelievably flexible and robust. However, I've given up on using it with the BDP.

Most UPnP playback systems use upmpdcli http://www.freecode.com/projects/upmpd (http://www.freecode.com/projects/upmpd) to bridge the excellent sounding MPD as a DLNA/UPnP renderer. Works really well with MinimServer and a variety of endpoints (I love BubbleUPnP, but Kazoo is nice, as well).

Unfortunately, the Bryston stack uses gmediarender-resurrect for network streaming playback, which is buggy. It does mostly work, but you will have problems with some playlists, as well as with playback of AAC files (non-DRM'd) and occasional issues with gapless playback. The BDP-Pi will have the same issues, since it will use the same stack as the current BDP software, as I understand things.

At the end of the day, the BDP-X is a most excellent sounding and stable MPD player.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Apr 2016, 01:17 pm
Wonderful this, thanks!


As i read it, we should ask and convince Chris to use the other renderer, upmpdci instead of gmediarender.
Support might be a consideration, both seem to be out if? Gmediarender's latest update is from 7/11/2007 http://gmrender.nongnu.org. Upmpdci 'somewhat' later, 9/6/2014.. Wouldn't there be a currently supported piece of software?

Chris, please chime in if you could, and if you would be willing to consider doing as Ken suggests?

Cheers,

Marius


I've spent quite a bit of time playing around with MinimServer + Linn Kinsky (and the much better Linn Kazoo). With a Volumio endpoint, it all works really, really well and integrates Tidal nicely with BubbleUPnPServerv + Linn Kazoo, as well as your local library. MinimServer is an amazing piece of software; a learning curve, but is unbelievably flexible and robust. However, I've given up on using it with the BDP.

Most UPnP playback systems use upmpdcli http://www.freecode.com/projects/upmpd (http://www.freecode.com/projects/upmpd) to bridge the excellent sounding MPD as a DLNA/UPnP renderer. Works really well with MinimServer and a variety of endpoints (I love BubbleUPnP, but Kazoo is nice, as well).

Unfortunately, the Bryston stack uses gmediarender-resurrect for network streaming playback, which is buggy. It does mostly work, but you will have problems with some playlists, as well as with playback of AAC files (non-DRM'd) and occasional issues with gapless playback. The BDP-Pi will have the same issues, since it will use the same stack as the current BDP software, as I understand things.

At the end of the day, the BDP-X is a most excellent sounding and stable MPD player.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Apr 2016, 03:20 pm
Wonderful this, thanks!


As i read it, we should ask and convince Chris to use the other renderer, upmpdci instead of gmediarender.
Support might be a consideration, both seem to be out if? Gmediarender's latest update is from 7/11/2007 http://gmrender.nongnu.org. Upmpdci 'somewhat' later, 9/6/2014.. Wouldn't there be a currently supported piece of software?

Chris, please chime in if you could, and if you would be willing to consider doing as Ken suggests?

Cheers,

Marius

Perhaps a nutty narwhal (S3.XX) project
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 13 Apr 2016, 04:05 pm
Album art issue: I finally have determined why some of my albums are not displaying thumbnails in the Artists View:

I went through and found a number of albums without thumbnails being displayed, yet found bdp_front_44 and _250 images in their respective folders; images that are correctly sized and display the correct album art.

After trying a number of things, like re-embedding scaled images, resetting the DB, et al., I noticed that all of the albums failing to display had this characteristic. So, I went through my entire collection in the Artists view and, yes, I can't find a single album that is displaying artwork with the above pattern, but almost every other album *is* displaying artwork. I did find some albums without embedded artwork, but even with a folder.jpg, nothing displays in the browser.

Some examples:

Grateful Dead: American Beauty (OK), Working Man's Dead (nope), History Of The Grateful Dead Vol. 1 (Bear's Choice) (nope)

Jethro Tull: Aqualung (OK), Benefit (OK), ... , A Passion Play The Château d'Hérouville Sessions (nope)

Lou Reed: Rock 'n' Roll Animal (nope)

Oasis: (What's the Story) Morning Glory? (nope), Definitely Maybe (OK), Oasis MTV Unplugged (OK), Time Flies... 1994-2009 (OK)

Erich Kunzel: Beethoven: Wellington's Victory; Liszt: Battle Of The Huns (nope), Tchaikovsky: 1812 Overture, Capriccio Italien, Etc (OK)
 
There are some others failing to update, like: Sinéad O'Connor, Osmo Vänskä and a couple of others that have hashtags in the album titles, but the vast majority fit the above pattern.

You're Welcome  :thumb:

A follow-up: I went through and identified all albums that contained a single quote in the file path (i.e. folder name) and remove it - now, these albums all display artwork in the Artists View.

Definitely a bug in the code that processes artwork, with respect to escaping single quote chars in the leading path.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 18 Apr 2016, 04:44 pm
Please help me to understand a very basic question on these two commands in MM.

What's the difference between Media Player Settings->Reset BD->Sorting Music into Bryston DB:NN%, and Update?

Settings->Music Player Demon shows Enable Update At Startup and lets user to opt between check or not its box, but not to Reset DB at startup.

When should I use the readily available Update, or when the Reset DB command?

I'm facing trouble with Sonny Rollins Sonny, Please.flac - it shows in Artist View but would not play through the BDP-2 from this view, and it perfectly does in VLC or Audition.
It neither plays from NAS, nor from USB attached storage.
Nothing changes whether Update nor Reset.

It wouldn't play from Artist View only (just like it didn't exist ... it doesn't even load these .flac)

And it will perfectly play if I make a Playlist of each distinct .flac file  :?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Apr 2016, 06:05 pm
Please help me to understand a very basic question on these two commands in MM.

What's the difference between Media Player Settings->Reset BD->Sorting Music into Bryston DB:NN%, and Update?

Settings->Music Player Demon shows Enable Update At Startup and lets user to opt between check or not its box, but not to Reset DB at startup.

When should I use the readily available Update, or when the Reset DB command?

I'm facing trouble with Sonny Rollins Sonny, Please.flac - it shows in Artist View but would not play through the BDP-2 from this view, and it perfectly does in VLC or Audition.
It neither plays from NAS, nor from USB attached storage.
Nothing changes whether Update nor Reset.

It wouldn't play from Artist View only (just like it didn't exist ... it doesn't even load these .flac)

And it will perfectly play if I make a Playlist of each distinct .flac file  :?

Hi Fernando,

The update button forces the BDP to scan your entire music library for changes, you can do more select updates using other features in the interface.  Once this has been done you should see the music appear in the default view (the view that lets to you navigate your library by the file folder structure of your collection).  In the Media Player Daemons settings page, the update on startup simply tells the BDP to look for any changes in the music library (in case you added or removed songs while the BDP was off).  This option should be off if your using a NAS as it may trigger the BDP to start over every time the BDP is turned on. 

Reset DB should only be used if your having difficulties with the Artist view and not the Default view.  If music is missing or showing up incorrectly you should attempt to update the mpd database (the "update" button) or if that doesn't resolve the issue there is a clear cache button in Media Player Daemon settings page that delete the MPD database file and starts over.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 18 Apr 2016, 06:31 pm
Please help me to understand a very basic question on these two commands in MM.

This should have been the same question as above.

How to proceed when Dashboard tells Bryston DB crash detected?
Enable Update At Startup is _not_ checked.

Should I,

1- Settings->System->Reboot BDP
2- Media Player Settings->Reset DB
3- Update

Almost always, or simply always, 'Bryston DB crash detected' shows on Dashboard when Sorting music into Bryston DB:nn% (81 and 96% are frequent figures)
And almost always, but _not_ always, when NAS and USB are feeding the BDP-2 together.
Could this be an information overload?

I've tried each 1, 2, 3 - but didn't reach consistent results.

 :?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 18 Apr 2016, 06:36 pm
or if that doesn't resolve the issue there is a clear cache button in Media Player Daemon settings page that delete the MPD database file and starts over.

Hi Chris,

We were both posting at the same time. Nonetheless, I posted what I wrote above.

Yes, I tried 'clear cache' yesterday - this Sonny Please is driving me mad.

But this command didn't help.

Yes, I had disabled Update at Startup since using NAS.

Shall see what happens now.

Thank you,

Fernando.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 20 Apr 2016, 05:20 pm
Listening to one of my favorite albums today, after the massive re-naming exercise to get my artwork to display.

Then I noticed this:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=141615)

...loaded the album via the Default View. Tracks are ordered: 1,10,11,12,13,14,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

I checked the meta data in the album and track index tags are all there, but there is no leading zero (0) in front of the single digit values. Is that a requirement for Manic Moose? That is: 01, 02, 03...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 20 Apr 2016, 06:30 pm
I checked the meta data in the album and track index tags are all there, but there is no leading zero (0) in front of the single digit values. Is that a requirement for Manic Moose? That is: 01, 02, 03...

good guess, Krutsch ... my guess is that it's not a requirement ... I'll try your hypothesis later today, had thought about that 'requirement' before.

there are more issues regarding Artist view, such as when file is image.ape, and more.

just solved 'Sonny, Please' !

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 21 Apr 2016, 12:07 am
Listening to one of my favorite albums today, after the massive re-naming exercise to get my artwork to display.

Then I noticed this:

<snip, snip>

...loaded the album via the Default View. Tracks are ordered: 1,10,11,12,13,14,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

I checked the meta data in the album and track index tags are all there, but there is no leading zero (0) in front of the single digit values. Is that a requirement for Manic Moose? That is: 01, 02, 03...

Tried that with some test tracks. No dice. MPD skips over these, completely, and they don't show up at all in either Manic Moose or MPD apps.

Not sure what the work-around is for this issue...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 21 Apr 2016, 04:41 am
what is the rule you use in file name creation (not tags, but actual file name)?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 21 Apr 2016, 05:16 am
what is the rule you use in file name creation (not tags, but actual file name)?

I use XLD to rip/convert; I like the AccurateRip database integration, so I know I am getting a perfect rip.

I use the following in XLD's preferences dialog:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=141667)

...which translates into something like: 01-01 Chopin_ Violin Concerto No.1.aiff

or: disc # - track# <space> track title.aiff (my lossless collection for the BDP is AIFF, with a mix of MP3 and AAC lossy files).

I also let XLD replace a collection of characters that can cause problems, as shown in the image, with safe characters like hyphens and underscores.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 23 Apr 2016, 02:42 pm
Listening to one of my favorite albums today, after the massive re-naming exercise to get my artwork to display.

Then I noticed this:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=141615)

...loaded the album via the Default View. Tracks are ordered: 1,10,11,12,13,14,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

I checked the meta data in the album and track index tags are all there, but there is no leading zero (0) in front of the single digit values. Is that a requirement for Manic Moose? That is: 01, 02, 03...

Chris,

Any thoughts on this issue? I am at loss, with regards to any kind of a work-around with respect to track ordering with greater than 10 tracks.

Are you not experiencing this issue, yourself? Can I upload test tracks to help?

Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 23 Apr 2016, 04:59 pm
Question:

Is it possible to output of the BDP-2 to TWO separate USB DACs at the same time?

I tried using an iFI USB 3.0 with dual USB output, going out to the BDA-3 and another DAC but it only will send the signal to one.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Apr 2016, 05:12 pm
Question:

Is it possible to output of the BDP-2 to TWO separate USB DACs at the same time?

I tried using an iFI USB 3.0 with dual USB output, going out to the BDA-3 and another DAC but it only will send the signal to one.

The BDP should output on all interfaces, have you checked the Audio Devices page to see all DAC's are detected and showing in white?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 23 Apr 2016, 05:57 pm
The BDP should output on all interfaces, have you checked the Audio Devices page to see all DAC's are detected and showing in white?

Cheers,
Chris

Hi Chris:

Yes, all interfaces are active on Audio Devices page. I only get audio one DAC or another, even after rebooting.

I will try it without the iFI USB 3.0 as well, that may be the issue, as the BDP-2 probably requires I use two cables from two
different USB outputs, although iFI claims you can use two DACs with their hub.

As a separate issue, I know allowing the BDP-2 to output AES/EBU and USB simultaneously is being worked on.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 23 Apr 2016, 09:54 pm
The BDP should output on all interfaces, have you checked the Audio Devices page to see all DAC's are detected and showing in white?

Cheers,
Chris

Hi Chris:

I have two USB DACS connected to the BDP-2, devices confirmed active, each connected with separate cables and output ports from the BDP.

I can def only get audio out of one. They both work perfectly when connected one at a time.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Apr 2016, 03:08 am
Hi Chris:

I have two USB DACS connected to the BDP-2, devices confirmed active, each connected with separate cables and output ports from the BDP.

I can def only get audio out of one. They both work perfectly when connected one at a time.

Any thoughts?

How are you playing back music?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 24 Apr 2016, 03:12 am
How are you playing back music?

Via Ethernet/DLNA, with Linn Kazzoo on an iPad as a control point.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Apr 2016, 04:50 am
Via Ethernet/DLNA, with Linn Kazzoo on an iPad as a control point.

Only playback via MPD outputs simultaneously through all outputs.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 24 Apr 2016, 02:22 pm
Only playback via MPD outputs simultaneously through all outputs.

Ah ok, that explains it.....it dawned on me that might be the case...thanks Chris!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 May 2016, 01:57 pm
HI Chris,


In the BOT thread , i posted about the External BD reader, hooked-up via a USB Hub, which seemed to work fine.
After rebooting my BDP1 though, it starts updating databases, (while automatic settings is disabled) and it has a lot of them apparently, currently showing :


Updating DB (#6)...
And Mediaplayer is somewhat confused...


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142297)


Could the USB hub be the culprit? It has 7 ports, 2 of those have a device (BD and USB Hdd). I have it connected to one of the front ports. Backports are filled, with 2 WD passports.
Is there a specific order in which the DB's are numbered?


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 May 2016, 11:52 am
all drives were nicely updated after a short while. very nice result for now.


only thing left: my bdp reports it hasn't got an internet connection , and thus the cd backup portion won't work as it should, identifying cds.
i am able to check for updates though, which confirms the fact it should have internet...


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142342)


this couldn't have to do with the usb hub, or dvd drive Chris?
how to test which issue arises? I've got a valid ip address, my router/switches are working fine, and the updating process works. Why would the BDP say it has no connection?

Thanks,
Marius


 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 May 2016, 12:12 pm
Hi Chris,


Internet connection seems restored. Suppose it was too much for the BDP to do all together. rebuild databases, read from cd, check updates, and check for cd's on the internet..
Still the error message was confusing, not to say incorrect, maybe you can check what went on.


Something else: i stumbled upon the hidden .tidal folder. I don't use tidal, so maybe MM made it when installing. I'd like to take it out on the drive it now resides on. I don't like system files on my music-drives, who knows what can go wrong..


For the same reason i don't want the cd backup to backup on my music-drives, and will select a special one for that purpose. Maybe take the USB hub to its limits and hookup a dedicated drive for backing up. Or maybe a bigger thumb drive, which takes less power. CD-Backup settings makes this easy. (or edit the .set files, weven simpler)


Can we also take out .tidal, and place it elsewhere? I didnt find an option to do so in the Tidal settings, nor in the user .set files on the BDP.


Cheers and thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 May 2016, 02:40 pm
Hi Chris,


Internet connection seems restored. Suppose it was too much for the BDP to do all together. rebuild databases, read from cd, check updates, and check for cd's on the internet..
Still the error message was confusing, not to say incorrect, maybe you can check what went on.


Something else: i stumbled upon the hidden .tidal folder. I don't use tidal, so maybe MM made it when installing. I'd like to take it out on the drive it now resides on. I don't like system files on my music-drives, who knows what can go wrong..


For the same reason i don't want the cd backup to backup on my music-drives, and will select a special one for that purpose. Maybe take the USB hub to its limits and hookup a dedicated drive for backing up. Or maybe a bigger thumb drive, which takes less power. CD-Backup settings makes this easy. (or edit the .set files, weven simpler)


Can we also take out .tidal, and place it elsewhere? I didnt find an option to do so in the Tidal settings, nor in the user .set files on the BDP.


Cheers and thanks,
Marius

Hi Marius,

Tidal folder is only generated when the Tidal app is opened
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 May 2016, 02:45 pm
Hi Marius,

Tidal folder is only generated when the Tidal app is opened


Ok i understand, but can wet set where it is generated? don't need/want it on my music files hdd's

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 May 2016, 03:06 pm

Ok i understand, but can wet set where it is generated? don't need/want it on my music files hdd's

it should be the scratch drive
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 May 2016, 03:16 pm
it should be the scratch drive


Please be a bit more specific. you think it it set to the current scratch drive, or that i should make a scratch drive, and the .tidal will be set there?
I thought you ditched the scratch drive before, and we don't need it anymore, because of a different way you programmed MM?


Marius



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 May 2016, 03:23 pm
i noticed i couldn't write to one of my drives, while the others were fine. Had that before, Mac/finder asking for admin permissions. It never accepts my credentials, and most of the time it is because i was copying files to one if the drives.


Unfortunately that wouldn't go today, i still can't write to one of the drives. Because Chris wrote about the Scratch drive in another post, i checked Disk-info in MM, et voila, my Klassiek drive is ro  :scratch:  never set that, but can't find a way to make it rw.


Chris, can we do that in MM, or is it a finder/Mac thing to do. Should i verify or repair?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142400)


Cheers,
Marius
 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 May 2016, 03:44 pm

Please be a bit more specific. you think it it set to the current scratch drive, or that i should make a scratch drive, and the .tidal will be set there?
I thought you ditched the scratch drive before, and we don't need it anymore, because of a different way you programmed MM?


Marius

The scratch drive is no longer used for the bryston db, it still has two potential uses, swap file and caching for tidal
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 May 2016, 05:39 pm
The scratch drive is no longer used for the bryston db, it still has two potential uses, swap file and caching for tidal

Thanks, check. Didn't have it set, so maybe MM found the drive by itself ?
So if i set scratch drive elsewhere, . Tidal will follow suit.
What is the swap file used for ?

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 May 2016, 06:23 pm
Thanks, check. Didn't have it set, so maybe MM found the drive by itself ?
So if i set scratch drive elsewhere, . Tidal will follow suit.
What is the swap file used for ?

Marius

Its likely the folder was created at some point in the past
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 4 May 2016, 10:12 pm
Can the capability of control/click multiple  tracks to delete or move within a playlist be added to MM?
Thanks
David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 May 2016, 10:07 am
Hi Chris,


Could you implement a tooltip when hovering the image files in MM?
It would aid in selecting the best image files and testing which files display best in various formats and resolutions. I find that the best preview of an image in Finder isn't always the best file in MM or vv.

Also, having more files of let's say a booklet, named page 1...page x, could be identified in MM, not only on their view, but also name. It is really cool the MM shows the various images. Please have them display their name when hovered.


As an example, i threw in a set of GoT images I made, probably not the exact size, so MM resizes, but with strange effect. I hope you can also implement a resizing/original size choice.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142741)


same file original:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142742) 

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 May 2016, 06:00 pm
Chris,


Did you change the bryston DB's image location yet?
Im in an opportunity right now to test it with a much smaller library, but don't want the image files to be written in my music folders, like before. Though you mentioned you'd write them to the scratch drive again, but cant find a confirmation on the board.
Please let me know?


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 May 2016, 06:30 pm
Chris,


Did you change the bryston DB's image location yet?
Im in an opportunity right now to test it with a much smaller library, but don't want the image files to be written in my music folders, like before. Though you mentioned you'd write them to the scratch drive again, but cant find a confirmation on the board.
Please let me know?


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

I havn't been in a position to make any changes to the firmware, trying to get all the last minute details for the BDP-Pi sorted, build instructions for manufacturing and software to image the firmware to the sd cards.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 May 2016, 06:57 pm
Hi Marius,

I havn't been in a position to make any changes to the firmware, trying to get all the last minute details for the BDP-Pi sorted, build instructions for manufacturing and software to image the firmware to the sd cards.

Cheers,
Chris

No worries ;-) will you change it? Or did you decide otherwise? In that case I won't wait and go on rebuilding the library ...

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 May 2016, 06:56 am

thanks Chris!


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142898)

Hi Chris,


Could you implement a tooltip when hovering the image files in MM?
It would aid in selecting the best image files and testing which files display best in various formats and resolutions. I find that the best preview of an image in Finder isn't always the best file in MM or vv.

Also, having more files of let's say a booklet, named page 1...page x, could be identified in MM, not only on their view, but also name. It is really cool the MM shows the various images. Please have them display their name when hovered.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 13 May 2016, 09:26 am
So, does that mean MM will display back.jpg files, when the album art is clicked?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 May 2016, 09:28 am
So, does that mean MM will display back.jpg files, when the album art is clicked?


sure, it displays all .jpg files it finds
it means that when you hover these files, it displays the names of the files.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 13 May 2016, 09:34 am
Not sure I'm following you, but I'll be back from travelling on Sunday and I'll play around with this. In the past, I would click on the album art to cycle to the next one and some would be empty, some would be duplicates of the default image, but I never saw the back cover, after an update some time ago.

Are you also getting your PDF booklets, as well?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 May 2016, 09:40 am
edit:
Guess I spoke too soon below, with this latest beta build, MM does not behave as described anymore :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:


I saw one tooltip, but after that, nothing shows up. Only a hardly noticeable change at the bottom of the browser window, just below the playlist.
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142914) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142916) 
Carefully notice the difference at the bottom of the page, over the full width of the window. Left while non-hovered, right while hovered, and no tooltip showing.

Also, and that is most disappointing, most of all .jpg's are blackened, like Ken described. I do see some, mainly back.jpg's, but nothing else of my carefully collected images ;-(


Chris, what to do? Please have an extra look why this is happening.







HI Ken,


Clicking the album are cycles the available .jpg files, don't know about other formats, i only use .jpg. Pdf's i don't see, but that might have to do with the fact i save these in a separate subfolder.


I remember Chris providing a separate link to info.txt or info.pdf in the days of LL, im not completely sure. Maybe we can ask again, that would indeed be an added bonus. Might still be there, though i can't find the option in settings.


There are many options one could wish be implemented. Art (for all other images) and Booklet (obvious) with Info should do it for most i think. Hope Chris reads along.


Cheers,
Marius


Not sure I'm following you, but I'll be back from travelling on Sunday and I'll play around with this. In the past, I would click on the album art to cycle to the next one and some would be empty, some would be duplicates of the default image, but I never saw the back cover, after an update some time ago.

Are you also getting your PDF booklets, as well?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 May 2016, 11:06 am
HI Chris,


After redistributing my library over different usb drives, I had to rebuild the library in MM. Clicking update on the home page, clicking the red drives + in the right pane (they were shown there), it all had mixed results. Drives were displayed, on and off, and rebooting, resetting, clearing the cache, it just wouldn't work.


I could perfectly see the drives in Mac/Finder on the BDP1 though.

Finally  I tried updating the drive in Disk Information and that worked fine.

Is that a different way of updating, did you implement another algorithm on that command? Seems to be more reliable, at least for rebuilding an entire library.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 May 2016, 12:34 pm
Please open more feature request:


Have a confirmation button popup after clicking Reboot in System settings. [ARE YOU SURE?]


Even better would be to have MM check whether it is writing to/from its drives, or updating then DB at the time the user clicks reboot, and say so  :duh: :duh: :duh:


Now that would be a very much welcomed warning message.


Marius (desperately starting all over again)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 May 2016, 04:27 pm


I saw one tooltip, but after that, nothing shows up. Only a hardly noticeable change at the bottom of the browser window, just below the playlist.
 

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/videos/BOSS/tooltip%20demo.mov

You click, move the mouse a bit, wait a second and the file name should appear
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 May 2016, 09:31 pm
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/videos/BOSS/tooltip%20demo.mov (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/videos/BOSS/tooltip%20demo.mov)

You click, move the mouse a bit, wait a second and the file name should appear


Well, exactly what i hoped for, and saw for just one click. After that, no more tooltips, the funny behaviour i described, and no more images, than the cover and back.jpg  :scratch:


Tomorrow ill powerup again, maybe my bdp1 had to settle from all new library adventures.
Thanks anyway for fulfilling my request!



**edit followup: seems the moving a bit helped, i can see several images (though many display a black placeholder), and after a second the tooltip pops up. Cool, i've been able to test and verify several cover images in various formats and resolution with this.

The problem with images not showing while being there remains though. Chris, could you have a look at that again please?

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 14 May 2016, 06:54 pm

**edit followup: seems the moving a bit helped, i can see several images (though many display a black placeholder), and after a second the tooltip pops up. Cool, i've been able to test and verify several cover images in various formats and resolution with this.

The problem with images not showing while being there remains though. Chris, could you have a look at that again please?

Cheers,
Marius

+1 ... that was what I was describing, in my earlier post.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 15 May 2016, 04:14 pm
how do I increase the playlist size from the 300 default setting?
after logging in and entering a new number it defaults back to 300

BDP-2
S2.25 2016-05-08
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Thanks
David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 15 May 2016, 04:19 pm
how do I increase the playlist size from the 300 default setting?
after logging in and entering a new number it defaults back to 300

BDP-2
S2.25 2016-05-08
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Thanks
David

Hi David

After you type in the new number make sure you hit Apply in the area below  the reboot.

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 15 May 2016, 07:50 pm
thank you - works

I see that apply has now been changed to Save under the  last.fm sign in
David

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 16 May 2016, 02:52 pm

Well, exactly what i hoped for, and saw for just one click. After that, no more tooltips, the funny behaviour i described, and no more images, than the cover and back.jpg  :scratch:


Tomorrow ill powerup again, maybe my bdp1 had to settle from all new library adventures.
Thanks anyway for fulfilling my request!



**edit followup: seems the moving a bit helped, i can see several images (though many display a black placeholder), and after a second the tooltip pops up. Cool, i've been able to test and verify several cover images in various formats and resolution with this.

The problem with images not showing while being there remains though. Chris, could you have a look at that again please?

Cheers,
Marius


HI,


The issue seems to get better, more and more .jpgs are shown. With their respective tooltips. Great.
How could this be?  i can only imagine it takes the BDP/MM combo some time to read all images, and recordings in the DB properly.


Still more than a few black placeholders are shown (they don't have tooltips either), so it might as well be that the algorithm reads/shows some, and doesn't read/show others. There's no way to tell really.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 May 2016, 03:51 pm

HI,

The issue seems to get better, more and more .jpgs are shown. With their respective tooltips. Great.
How could this be?  i can only imagine it takes the BDP/MM combo some time to read all images, and recordings in the DB properly.

Still more than a few black placeholders are shown (they don't have tooltips either), so it might as well be that the algorithm reads/shows some, and doesn't read/show others. There's no way to tell really.


Similar with me... I do see the tooltips and it seems to cycle between the image embedded in the audio file, folder.jpg and back.jpg, but the non-embedded versions are *always* black placeholders (i.e. nothing in the display frame for folder.jpg and back.jpg).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 May 2016, 05:46 am
HI Chris,


might i suggest 2 interface options?
- have the drives attached and the playlist entry show as buttons, to provide quick and direct entry to these collections. Sort of  like in the menubar of the internet browsers.
we now have to browse all the way back to the home directory of the bdp while they could be reached with 1 click.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143129)
in an interface like
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143132)


if you would be able to do that, we could also optionally have other locations under these buttons of course, editable in the settings, but the drives would be a great start.

- wouldn't it be a nice touch to have the currently played album show its coverart on the main page, which is really kind of harsh now. It would liven it up a bit, but also make it clear the BDP is actually playing a track. Like in Plex, or Spotify.

i wouldn't mind if it showed the current album art on all pages for that matter, but the homepage would be a great starter ;)
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143134)

instead of

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143130)


there s plenty of screen estate available here:
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143131) 


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 17 May 2016, 05:59 am
All that screen real estate exists on a computer monitor or maybe landscape tablet. It gets pretty cramped on a cell phone.

It's a limitation of using a web-based interface. I do wish Bryston would look at dedicated apps for Apple, Android, and Windows. There are other companies who make a very nice, usable interface for their audio player that works on cell phones, but it is a specific app. Those apps migrate well to tablets and computers too.

Given Bryston's interest in reaching out to new and younger audiophiles via the Raspberry Pi player, I think it would be prudent to construct an interface that will be intuitive and easy to use. This generation seems more likely to use a small-screen device for an interface than a computer. If it's not as easy as some of the popular streaming music companies' apps (Spotify, etc), I think they'll have a challenge.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 May 2016, 06:03 am
i agree Grit, i stopped using MM on iPhone, use MPD for that to work without any issues. MM/Iphone needs the up and down scrolling all the time, which  makes me kind of dizzy.


On the tablet and computer though MM makes a rather nice interface, for which the above was indeed intended.


Cheers,
Marius
All that screen real estate exists on a computer monitor or maybe landscape tablet. It gets pretty cramped on a cell phone.

It's a limitation of using a web-based interface. I do wish Bryston would look at dedicated apps for Apple, Android, and Windows. There are other companies who make a very nice, usable interface for their audio player that works on cell phones, but it is a specific app. Those apps migrate well to tablets and computers too.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 17 May 2016, 11:03 am

...

It's a limitation of using a web-based interface. I do wish Bryston would look at dedicated apps for Apple, Android, and Windows. There are other companies who make a very nice, usable interface for their audio player that works on cell phones, but it is a specific app. Those apps migrate well to tablets and computers too.

Given Bryston's interest in reaching out to new and younger audiophiles via the Raspberry Pi player, I think it would be prudent to construct an interface that will be intuitive and easy to use. This generation seems more likely to use a small-screen device for an interface than a computer. If it's not as easy as some of the popular streaming music companies' apps (Spotify, etc), I think they'll have a challenge.

You might consider trying "Soundirok" for iPhone, iPad or Android - I use the iPad version. As Marius has pointed out, it doesn't support browsing by folder, but it's very responsive, elegant and supports a type of "smart playlist" called "Intelligent Sets" that allow you to build playlists by rules, which means they will work on multiple BDP players (any MPD player with the same collection of music). For my collection, the metadata and album art display are perfect, including artist thumbnails and PDF booklets.

However, speaking long-term, Bryston needs to integrate RoonBridge into the BDP. The audio press is raving about Roon and they are mostly right. Roon isn't perfect, but it's definitely the future of audio library and streaming service integration. Once you try it, it's amazing how limiting traditional library browsing feels.

Just my $0.02...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 May 2016, 11:20 am
HI Ken,


Your $0,02 won't get you very far with Roon....


i very much doubt the new audience is prepared to pay $119,- per year, only for managing your own library. :scratch: Nice as it may look.


My own reservation with most of these services is the matter of privacy. Who nows what gets sent to who, when using these services.


Compare that to James's Mancave, which is kind of nice. Just me and my music, possibly the rest of my friends/family in the cave. Certainly not the rest of the world being witness of my listenings.


As a note about Soundirok: i disabled the image cache, not to download all images to my already filled iPhone, but won't see anything playing.
In fact, i find the interface so unintuitive, browsing by Artist, Album or Genre is far from error free when tags are mixed-up (and they tend to do, especially in classical music). I can hardly ever find what im looking for, the search function is not very helpful, since it finds only some of the recordings.




Cheers,
Marius




You might consider trying "Soundirok" for iPhone, iPad or Android - I use the iPad version. As Marius has pointed out, it doesn't support browsing by folder, but it's very responsive, elegant and supports a type of "smart playlist" called "Intelligent Sets" that allow you to build playlists by rules, which means they will work on multiple BDP players (any MPD player with the same collection of music). For my collection, the metadata and album art display are perfect, including artist thumbnails and PDF booklets.

However, speaking long-term, Bryston needs to integrate RoonBridge into the BDP. The audio press is raving about Roon and they are mostly right. Roon isn't perfect, but it's definitely the future of audio library and streaming service integration. Once you try it, it's amazing how limiting traditional library browsing feels.

Just my $0.02...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 17 May 2016, 11:27 am
HI Ken,

Your $0,02 won't get you very far with Roon....

i very much doubt the new audience is prepared to pay $119,- per year, only for managing your own library. :scratch: Nice as it may look.

...


That's a common misconception from folks that have never tried Roon. It's not a library manager and it's not about being pretty; it's an interface for (re)discovering music - yours and what's in TIDAL, in a really elegant manner.

It's not for everyone, to be sure, but I encourage you to download the free trail and give it a spin. Oh, and as to your comment about music tags, Roon handles  that really well.

Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 May 2016, 11:36 am
That's a common misconception from folks that have never tried Roon. It's not a library manager and it's not about being pretty; it's an interface for (re)discovering music - yours and what's in TIDAL, in a really elegant manner.

It's not for everyone, to be sure, but I encourage you to download the free trail and give it a spin. Oh, and as to your comment about music tags, Roon handles  that really well.

Ken


HI Ken,
I will dl and try again, but understood the BDP doesn't support it right now. Will try the standalone version.


btw, Roon say they are a manager of my collection, and even worse, they are the traffic cop, housekeeper and brains ;) 
Even interconnecting  with 'enhanced info' from Roon. Enough to get all privacy warning sings up...


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143136)


Forgot about Soundirok: since MPD does do the browsing by folder, and all that Soundirok should, and does it very well, what does SoundIrok offer that MDP doesn't?


Marius
 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 17 May 2016, 12:00 pm

HI Ken,
I will dl and try again, but understood the BDP doesn't support it right now. Will try the standalone version.

...

For your Roon comment, the BDP *does* support Roon, somewhat, using with Airplay (Shairplay) or Squeeze (Squeezelite); both protocols are supported by Roon. I've played around with both and they work, mostly: with Airplay you are limited to 44.1kHz/16-bit and with Squeeze you may experience some issues with gapless playback, as well as needing to disable the service on your BDP when you return to MPaD or MM playback (or just reboot, which is what I was doing).

My advice is to enable Squeezelite on your BDP, then enable  Squeezebox support in the Roon Settings/Setup tab. Then, your BDP will just appear and can be selected for audio output.

If you don't have a TIDAL account, try that, as well - that's really where the magic happens. For example, you can look at a classical selection in your library and then browse alternate versions of the same movement within your own library or what's available in TIDAL.

It's a lot to inhale, but after I got used to it, I would browse the catalog - looking at related artists and genres, just sampling new music for hours on end.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 May 2016, 12:07 pm
Ok cool i will try that on the bdp.


I do have Tidal for 3 months, and am seeing it in Roon, next to a great many  recordings that are not mine.....
You see, that's where my reservation comes in. It does look quite the stunner, but it shows so much 'related content' I a) fear for my privacy, and b) don't see what i really own and want to browse.


Ill try some more....


Cheers, and thanks!
Marius


For your Roon comment, the BDP *does* support Roon, somewhat, using with Airplay (Shairplay) or Squeeze (Squeezelite); both protocols are supported by Roon. I've played around with both and they work, mostly: with Airplay you are limited to 44.1kHz/16-bit and with Squeeze you may experience some issues with gapless playback, as well as needing to disable the service on your BDP when you return to MPaD or MM playback (or just reboot, which is what I was doing).

My advice is to enable Squeezelite on your BDP, then enable  Squeezebox support in the Roon Settings/Setup tab. Then, your BDP will just appear and can be selected for audio output.

If you don't have a TIDAL account, try that, as well - that's really where the magic happens. For example, you can look at a classical selection in your library and then browse alternate versions of the same movement within your own library or what's available in TIDAL.

It's a lot to inhale, but after I got used to it, I would browse the catalog - looking at related artists and genres, just sampling new music for hours on end.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 17 May 2016, 12:07 pm

Forgot about Soundirok: since MPD does do the browsing by folder, and all that Soundirok should, and does it very well, what does SoundIrok offer that MDP doesn't?


For me, I find the user experience more appealing - a lot more - but that's a subjective thing.

The biggest difference between Soundirok and other MPD apps is the smart playlist feature. I use this, heavily, in iTunes and it's great to replicate this function with my MPD players. In particular, as I've noted before, you can define "rules" for dynamic playlists that then apply to all of the MPD players in your eco-system. For example, I am considering adding a BDP-Pi for the living room and I really don't want to re-construct my playlists on the new device. With Soundirok, my playlists are build using rules, not static lists of tracks/albums. So, a second device can inherit the same playlists, as long as the music collection is similar for each player (e.g. both systems are accessing your library from a NAS or you are copying a similar set of files into a USB drive).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 May 2016, 12:13 pm
For me, I find the user experience more appealing - a lot more - but that's a subjective thing.

The biggest difference between Soundirok and other MPD apps is the smart playlist feature. I use this, heavily, in iTunes and it's great to replicate this function with my MPD players. In particular, as I've noted before, you can define "rules" for dynamic playlists that then apply to all of the MPD players in your eco-system. For example, I am considering adding a BDP-Pi for the living room and I really don't want to re-construct my playlists on the new device. With Soundirok, my playlists are build using rules, not static lists of tracks/albums. So, a second device can inherit the same playlists, as long as the music collection is similar for each player (e.g. both systems are accessing your library from a NAS or you are copying a similar set of files into a USB drive).


Thats cool indeed, and a plus to other apps, though MPo/aD can also handle more than one MPD server. Ill experiment with that a bit, Ive never been much of a Playlist user. Other than the occasional radiostation configured as a playlist for easy acces in BDP.


Thanks!
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 20 May 2016, 09:00 pm
I've spent quite a bit of time playing around with MinimServer + Linn Kinsky (and the much better Linn Kazoo). With a Volumio endpoint, it all works really, really well and integrates Tidal nicely with BubbleUPnPServerv + Linn Kazoo, as well as your local library. MinimServer is an amazing piece of software; a learning curve, but is unbelievably flexible and robust. However, I've given up on using it with the BDP.

Most UPnP playback systems use upmpdcli http://www.freecode.com/projects/upmpd (http://www.freecode.com/projects/upmpd) to bridge the excellent sounding MPD as a DLNA/UPnP renderer. Works really well with MinimServer and a variety of endpoints (I love BubbleUPnP, but Kazoo is nice, as well).

Unfortunately, the Bryston stack uses gmediarender-resurrect for network streaming playback, which is buggy. It does mostly work, but you will have problems with some playlists, as well as with playback of AAC files (non-DRM'd) and occasional issues with gapless playback. The BDP-Pi will have the same issues, since it will use the same stack as the current BDP software, as I understand things.

At the end of the day, the BDP-X is a most excellent sounding and stable MPD player.

Well, apparently the BDP DLNA Renderer cannot playback AIFF files, as well as failing to play AAC files. Sigh...  :cry:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: richter250 on 24 May 2016, 01:44 am
I have been having a similar streaming problem with AIFF files.  I am using an Auralic Aries to stream music from my BDP-2 into a second system.  I use the Lightning DS app for control.  Everything works and sounds great except most of my files from HDTracks don't show up.  A few do but most do  not.  After reading Krutsch's post about the problems that the BDP-2 has with playing AIFF tracks when used as a renderer I was wondering if this is the same type of problem.  Turns out the HDTracks files that do show up are FLAC and the ones that do not are AIFF.  I can convert all the AIFF tracks to FLAC with XLD but this will be a time consuming process.  Does anyone have a work around for this problem or know if a fix in the works or should I just start converting all the files to FLAC?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 24 May 2016, 02:56 am
I have been having a similar streaming problem with AIFF files.  I am using an Auralic Aries to stream music from my BDP-2 into a second system.  I use the Lightning DS app for control.  Everything works and sounds great except most of my files from HDTracks don't show up.  A few do but most do  not.  After reading Krutsch's post about the problems that the BDP-2 has with playing AIFF tracks when used as a renderer I was wondering if this is the same type of problem.  Turns out the HDTracks files that do show up are FLAC and the ones that do not are AIFF.  I can convert all the AIFF tracks to FLAC with XLD but this will be a time consuming process.  Does anyone have a work around for this problem or know if a fix in the works or should I just start converting all the files to FLAC?

I'm pretty sure the Aries supports AIFF playback - it's possible that the HD Tracks AIFF files are malformed (I've experienced this with their AIFF downloads and repaired the files Sample Manager - but batch converting with XLD will achieve the same result).

Try converting one album to FLAC and back to AIFF to see if the album shows up on the Aries.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: richter250 on 24 May 2016, 04:00 am
It does not seem to be an HDTracks problem.  Those were just the albums that led me to notice the problem.  I converted an album to FLAC and it showed up and played in the Aries.  I then converted it back to AIFF and it was gone again.  It turns out that I have many other albums in AIFF (not from HDTracks) that are not showing up in the Aries.  The Aries does support AIFF and if I put the AIFF albums on a hard drive and connect it to the Aries they play just fine.  Not sure where the problem is.  BDP-2 or Aries?  or wireless network? Stumped.  Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 May 2016, 07:26 pm
Hi Chris,


Today i added a Jaco Pastorius  folder to the BDP. Somehow Wheather Report made it into the J section... :scratch: :scratch: What should i check to correct?
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143686)
2nd: i can't get any music out of the BDP. Display is showing, front panel also, power amp is alright, as is the pre amp  :scratch: :scratch:  What should i check to correct?


Please!


Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 26 May 2016, 07:38 pm
Hi Chris,

Today i added a Jaco Pastorius  folder to the BDP. Somehow Wheather Report made it into the J section... :scratch: :scratch: What should i check to correct?

Marius

Yes. I've reported this in the past, as well. When browsing by folder or viewing playlists, the sorting is based on file system criteria and is not sorted lexicographically, as one would expect.

This is why browsing by folder is unusable.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 May 2016, 08:08 pm
Yes. I've reported this in the past, as well. When browsing by folder or viewing playlists, the sorting is based on file system criteria and is not sorted lexicographically, as one would expect.

This is why browsing by folder is unusable.


HI Ken,


Sorry, but that's not my experience at all. Did read your posts on this.
Before, dEus sorted at the end after Z, but Chris implemented library sort ignore case, so that did it for dEus. No other sorting issues at all.
In fact, i always and only browse by folder....


This Wheather Report mixup is a first, as far as i can see, at least on this side.
Hope it is based on some setting, maybe even wrong tagging. It sorted correctly before, so that makes it strange.


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 26 May 2016, 08:19 pm

Sorry, but that's not my experience at all. Did read your posts on this.
Before, dEus sorted at the end after Z, but Chris implemented library sort ignore case, so that did it for dEus. No other sorting issues at all.
In fact, i always and only browse by folder....

This Wheather Report mixup is a first, as far as i can see, at least on this side.
Hope it is based on some setting, maybe even wrong tagging. It sorted correctly before, so that makes it strange.

Cheers,
Marius

That's because you have been lucky, up to this point. In my system, most folders seem to sort correctly, but there are a few that are inserted into odd places, like your Weather Report example.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Yitshak on 26 May 2016, 09:19 pm
Hi Chris,


Today i added a Jaco Pastorius  folder to the BDP. Somehow Wheather Report made it into the J section... :scratch: :scratch: What should i check to correct?
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143686)
2nd: i can't get any music out of the BDP. Display is showing, front panel also, power amp is alright, as is the pre amp  :scratch: :scratch:  What should i check to correct?


Please!


Marius

Hi Marius,

Did You load it to the BDP and not to the hard drive taken out and connected to computer?
Then in such case the BDP choose were to sort this by metadata pattern ??

I'm trying to avoid that as I want total control of were the album will be sort to.
Also when I'm browsing I avoid using the system GENER and and Artist and such
And go to brows directly to Music folder there to My pre made GENER Folders
There To my pre made band/artist folders ( composer folders in classical to avoid too many artist).

Those folder were made in advanced on the computer when I made "my folder tree",
And arranged my library structure.

Also I choose to add up folders once in while when I have few and then I always
connect the drive to computer to dictate in what pre folders I will add the new ones.
This way all my folders are were I put them.

I know maybe it's not the best fit for everyone but it's working great for me,
Up to a point I don't care for anything else.

But it's involve taking out the driver preparing folders of your choose and then copy
All your folders to those folders,(though it's not too much work) took me a day or two
To sort as 1500 albums this way.
Also in those folders my albums upper  A,B,C... in correct order.
Cheers

Itshak




Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 May 2016, 09:58 pm
Hi Chris,


Today i added a Jaco Pastorius  folder to the BDP. Somehow Wheather Report made it into the J section... :scratch: :scratch: What should i check to correct?
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143686)
2nd: i can't get any music out of the BDP. Display is showing, front panel also, power amp is alright, as is the pre amp  :scratch: :scratch:  What should i check to correct?


Please!


Marius

 :scratch: that's a new one for me Marius, the only time I expect the library to be out of order is while MPD is updating the database.  If it's still doing you can place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id I can try and see why it's doing that.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 May 2016, 05:47 am
Hi Marius,

Did You load it to the BDP and not to the hard drive taken out and connected to computer?
Then in such case the BDP choose were to sort this by metadata pattern ??

I'm trying to avoid that as I want total control of were the album will be sort to.
Also when I'm browsing I avoid using the system GENER and and Artist and such
And go to brows directly to Music folder there to My pre made GENER Folders
There To my pre made band/artist folders ( composer folders in classical to avoid too many artist).

Those folder were made in advanced on the computer when I made "my folder tree",
And arranged my library structure.

Also I choose to add up folders once in while when I have few and then I always
connect the drive to computer to dictate in what pre folders I will add the new ones.
This way all my folders are were I put them.

I know maybe it's not the best fit for everyone but it's working great for me,
Up to a point I don't care for anything else.

But it's involve taking out the driver preparing folders of your choose and then copy
All your folders to those folders,(though it's not too much work) took me a day or two
To sort as 1500 albums this way.
Also in those folders my albums upper  A,B,C... in correct order.
Cheers

Itshak


HI Itshak,


Thanks. I'm not really sure i understand what you're saying. In my experience of the last 5 or 6 years, the only difference between connecting the drives to the BDP or Computer is speed. Nothing else has shown up. copying/moving/deleting files over the network to an attached computer, which the BDP is, isn't any different than
to a drive attached directly to the computer.
Especially on the Mac, where networked storage and other machines are so easily identified (compare that to the hassle in a windows environment...)

I always create a new folder for a new Artist (on my Jazz and Pop drives) or a new composer (on my Classical drive), and never experienced an out of order before, other than the mentioned dEus, which was a clear case of case-sensitivity, and taken care of by Chris, or during the updating process, which can take quite some time, with a growing library. (btw, that has also gotten better in my new setup with the powered hub, the BDP really seems to like the extra juice)

I either first create the Artist/Composer folder, and then later add extra folders per Album below that, or copy an entire new structure, so complete Artist/Composer with Albums. Didn't make any difference whatsoever up to now. Even Carbon Copy Cloning a complete Nas drive to a new usb HDD works fine, as i have recently been able to observe.

Strange thing in this case was that the out of order item only showed up out of order after adding another new folder, which is displayed in good order.

So, ill check on my BDP lateron, to see if it was the BDP still updating, or ill have to call Chris again in service-mode...


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Yitshak on 27 May 2016, 08:12 am
Ok Marius I didn't figure that you are connecting via hub/NAS
And can see the hard drive and arrange folder even if the hard drive stay connected to the BDP.
I'm catching up ...still.

Any way if you already do all the describe above then all is fine
And hopefully it will get solve this way or the Chris way :)

I'll get back to my new weekend experiment
which is transferring albums to 6 X 128 GB  Flash drives.

powered drives will be used only for the NAS configuration later on.

Cheers
Itshak

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 May 2016, 08:29 am
Cool Yitzhak,

We're here to share and learn ;-)
Apparently you've found ways to get music on your harddrives, other than swapping the drive from your BDP to the computer and back again. How would you have done that, without as you say 'see the harddrive connected to the BDP'? I would have thought that to be the only way, and there is no way the BDP sorts things out itself  :scratch:
Maybe im not getting what you say, and confusing you even further, not my intension of course.

Either one moves files swapping the drive from the bdp to the computer and back again, or one moves the files over the network. As the BDP is a computer one can operate it as such (provided you enable the services for that in the BDP settings). If you don't use the latter technique, you can disable these services, and use the BDP in 'man cave' setting.
It uses less resources that way, and some say it is the most optimal way of playing music.
I never experienced an audible difference, but as always ymmv.

Cheers,

Marius


Ok Marius I didn't figure that you are connecting via hub/NAS
And can see the hard drive and arrange folder even if the hard drive stay connected to the BDP.
I'm catching up ...still.

Any way if you already do all the describe above then all is fine
And hopefully it will get solve this way or the Chris way :)

I'll get back to my new weekend experiment
which is transferring albums to 6 X 128 GB  Flash drives.

powered drives will be used only for the NAS configuration later on.

Cheers
Itshak
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 May 2016, 08:35 am
:scratch: that's a new one for me Marius, the only time I expect the library to be out of order is while MPD is updating the database.  If it's still doing you can place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id I can try and see why it's doing that.


Ok Chriss i will let you know, im updating the separate drive as an extra way to tell the BDP to behave. For it still doesn't. That is to say, MM doesn't. The BDP shows the folders in the correct order:


Sorry for the amount of screen dumps following, but the front panel is only 2 characters high...


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143714)
Folders in Manis Moose


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143715)
Foldes in Mac/Finder


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143716)
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143717)
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143718)
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143719)
Folders on the front panel.


The odd placed Wheather Report is the final folder on my drive, maybe that is of significance.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 May 2016, 08:43 am
adding to my previous post:

My observation of the last alphabetical folder placed incorrectly made me check the other drives.
Almost all folders show the final entry misplaced!! No matter where I check, in drive root or nested, on all drives but the ones with only up to four subfolders, the last alphabetical folder is placed incorrectly. Only Home and the original Bryston Thumb (which has the tracks preceded wit a number) show correctly. That is to say, Playlists is below POP, but that is correct behavior i think, since it isn't a drive?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143722)

2 more to illustrate what's happening:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143720)
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143721)


This is quite peculiar. And never seen before up to now.Chris, would this justify a Service mode, or do you have any other thoughts?


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 May 2016, 10:05 am
HI Chris, All,
Don't know if this is related to the sorting issue above, but i did change the default library jump settings in Media Player settings. I wouldn't know what this is for, so i thought to try just to see what happens.
Anyone knows what this does? Default, Show Back, Show Transport


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143723)


Marius
 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 May 2016, 08:32 pm
HI Chris,

Found the silencing culprit: Squeezelite was the cause I didn't hear anything come out of the BDP. The BDP handled everything correctly, only no sound emitting from it.
Is Squeezelite a service to en/disable each time you want to play from the BDP directly?
Does Squeezeslave behave the same?

This isn't really comfortable to be honest. If you keep these services like this, maybe it would be a good idea to have some sort of icon light up on the Mediaplayer interface to show which output is selected?

Cheers,
Marius



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 28 May 2016, 03:49 pm
See there still a beta version of MM to try?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 28 May 2016, 04:37 pm
HI Chris,

Found the silencing culprit: Squeezelite was the cause I didn't hear anything come out of the BDP. The BDP handled everything correctly, only no sound emitting from it.
Is Squeezelite a service to en/disable each time you want to play from the BDP directly?
Does Squeezeslave behave the same?

This isn't really comfortable to be honest. If you keep these services like this, maybe it would be a good idea to have some sort of icon light up on the Mediaplayer interface to show which output is selected?

Cheers,
Marius

Shairplay, Squeezelite and DLNA have similar issues: they don't release the audio device (ALSA) once they have played music. So, you can either reboot the BDP (which is what I do) or go into the services tab and DISABLE the service you no longer wish to use, if you want to go back to MPD playback.

Another alternative is to into Audio Device and reset the audio device from there.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 28 May 2016, 05:06 pm
Shairplay
On an iPad  If I start by -clearing- the playlist in MM and then under AirPlay select BDP-2 I can sample music from download sites, play iTunes etc. through the bdp2
If I return to MM I just select music and it starts fine without having to disable shairplay
Can't comment on squeeze etc.

David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 May 2016, 09:04 am
Shairplay, Squeezelite and DLNA have similar issues: they don't release the audio device (ALSA) once they have played music. So, you can either reboot the BDP (which is what I do) or go into the services tab and DISABLE the service you no longer wish to use, if you want to go back to MPD playback.

Another alternative is to into Audio Device and reset the audio device from there.


Rebooting didnt help in my settings, i really had to disable the service. It played immediately after that. Resetting the audiodevice didnt help either. I have two, not selected, since i believed that was only necessary for the USB interface tot DSD on the BDP2, i am on BDP1 and don't play DSD yet unfortunately.


I had played Roon over squeezelite some days ago, rebooted daily after that, still no sound. (must admit  i hadn't played over MPD for some days, so didnt notice before)


Ill remember now tot check the services immediately, maybe Chris will answer my request, for an easy indicator/switch in the Player interface.


Cheers,
Marius




Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 31 May 2016, 12:28 pm
HI Chris,


Please would you post a reply where to look for this behavior?


Thanks,
Marius


adding to my previous post:

My observation of the last alphabetical folder placed incorrectly made me check the other drives.
Almost all folders show the final entry misplaced!! No matter where I check, in drive root or nested, on all drives but the ones with only up to four subfolders, the last alphabetical folder is placed incorrectly. Only Home and the original Bryston Thumb (which has the tracks preceded wit a number) show correctly. That is to say, Playlists is below POP, but that is correct behavior i think, since it isn't a drive?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143722)

2 more to illustrate what's happening:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143720)
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143721)


This is quite peculiar. And never seen before up to now.Chris, would this justify a Service mode, or do you have any other thoughts?


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2016, 12:45 pm
OK Marius - I have a question for you ....

When do you have time to listen with all this work you are doing on your computer systems - LOL  :lol:

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 31 May 2016, 12:47 pm
4 hours of sleep suffices....
fiddling with the computers and listening can be done simultaneously  though.
Trouble starts while gardening   :D


OK Marius - I have a question for you ....

When do you have time to listen with all this work you are doing on your computer systems - LOL  :lol:

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Spyman on 31 May 2016, 06:30 pm
MY trouble starts because I won't DO gardening!  :green:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 31 May 2016, 08:36 pm
MY trouble starts because I won't DO gardening!  :green:


Lol. You're a Briton?....... : http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/602544/Britons-lawn-patios-decking-neglect
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BrystonFan on 31 May 2016, 10:49 pm
Well, Bryston now has a product for you to listen while you do your gardening!
Hello BryFi
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Spyman on 31 May 2016, 11:04 pm

Lol. You're a Briton?....... : http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/602544/Britons-lawn-patios-decking-neglect

Nope. American...But, I'd rather be listening to my Bryston gear in the cool house than outside doing yard work in the heat. My philosophy: I would much rather bowl inside and have the ball come back to me, than play golf and chase it around in the hot sun!  :lol:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 6 Jun 2016, 09:13 pm
How long should the "Sorting music into Bryston DB" stick around for? I recently added a new library on my NAS of ALAC files that I converted from all of my FLAC and WAV files so I could pay on iTunes. When I was browsing an Artists album getting ready to play it on the BDP I noticed every album had doubled up. So I went into the NAS menu and changed the share that the BDP uses so it wouldn't see the ALAC albums.

After the reset it seems stuck at "Sorting music into Bryston DB". When I go to the Dashboard it displays this message but also displays "Bryston DB crash detected".

Any suggestions on what I should do?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 6 Jun 2016, 09:16 pm
The Dashboard now says my NAS appears to be offline but it's not, it's up and running.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 6 Jun 2016, 09:46 pm
I got it back. I had to remove and re-add the NAS.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Jun 2016, 08:07 am
HI Rod,


earlier discussions with Chris learned that you should have patience ;)
And after each reboot the DB builds a bit further, depending on the size of your library taking more times to do so.
If the library is too large (think >50000) it won't work on the BDP1, for its memory and processor specs are too inadequate.

Ive asked Chris to reenable the Scratch drive for the BDP1 to use for the DB like before, but Chris hasn't been back ever since....Hope the other things going on at Bryston don't keep them from updating the firmware of their first and foremost player to final edition.

Until then: big library => disable the Bryston DB, and play without Artis and album view in MM.

Cheers,
Marius


How long should the "Sorting music into Bryston DB" stick around for? I recently added a new library on my NAS of ALAC files that I converted from all of my FLAC and WAV files so I could pay on iTunes. When I was browsing an Artists album getting ready to play it on the BDP I noticed every album had doubled up. So I went into the NAS menu and changed the share that the BDP uses so it wouldn't see the ALAC albums.

After the reset it seems stuck at "Sorting music into Bryston DB". When I go to the Dashboard it displays this message but also displays "Bryston DB crash detected".

Any suggestions on what I should do?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Jun 2016, 03:15 pm
How long should the "Sorting music into Bryston DB" stick around for? I recently added a new library on my NAS of ALAC files that I converted from all of my FLAC and WAV files so I could pay on iTunes. When I was browsing an Artists album getting ready to play it on the BDP I noticed every album had doubled up. So I went into the NAS menu and changed the share that the BDP uses so it wouldn't see the ALAC albums.

After the reset it seems stuck at "Sorting music into Bryston DB". When I go to the Dashboard it displays this message but also displays "Bryston DB crash detected".

Any suggestions on what I should do?

If your running S2.24 then its likley a known issue with the firmware, its fixed in the current testing builds.  You can either upgrade to the latest testing build or try using the reset db function found in the media player settings.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Jun 2016, 09:19 am
HI Chris,


As of late, i find the MM interface on iPhone/Pad is more often than not unresponsive. I can load a few songs in the playlist, click back and forward a few times, but after a short while, clicking the interface doesn't work anymore.
The BR2 does communicate well, so i use that to stop playing the current track, then clear the playlist, go back to dashboard and reload media player, to start all over....

Might this be a recently introduced bug? or just the BDP1 taking its time to process.


Still, br2 always works immediately, as does Mpad in these cases, so that suggests a MM flaw?


Chees,
Marius
 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 10 Jun 2016, 09:24 am
If your running S2.24 then its likley a known issue with the firmware, its fixed in the current testing builds.  You can either upgrade to the latest testing build or try using the reset db function found in the media player settings.

Cheers,
Chris

I was running the latest Beta. Part of the issue turned out to be that I didn't properly add the NAS back in the settings. Once I realized my mistake it connected again and reloaded the library.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Jun 2016, 09:26 am
HI Chris,

could you add a quick and direct shortcut in the browser part of MM to the (album of the) current playing track?

Asked before, unfortunately it might be buried under other priorities.
But it would really be a great feature, being able to go back to the current track immediately, without having to browse the full path for each and every track. Especially in the MM interface, that keeps scrolling up and down to the wrong focus, or just hasn't got enough screen estate on mobile/iphone.

Hope you can do it.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Jun 2016, 09:31 am
I was running the latest Beta. Part of the issue turned out to be that I didn't properly add the NAS back in the settings. Once I realized my mistake it connected again and reloaded the library.


Not sure if it was you that did something wrong, upon loading the latest firmware 2016-06-08 (now gone), my NAS share also had disappeared.
I had to update it manually (did it in the NAS part of settings, where the share was still properly defined, click update) to have it displayed and indexed again.


Chees,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Jun 2016, 08:52 pm

Not sure if it was you that did something wrong, upon loading the latest firmware 2016-06-08 (now gone), my NAS share also had disappeared.
I had to update it manually (did it in the NAS part of settings, where the share was still properly defined, click update) to have it displayed and indexed again.


Chees,
Marius

Hi Marius,

Pulled it due to reports of lost user settings, turned out to be the unit, currently working on another release that fixes service mode (also busted in the previous release)

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Jun 2016, 01:00 pm
Hi Marius,

Pulled it due to reports of lost user settings, turned out to be the unit, currently working on another release that fixes service mode (also busted in the previous release)

Cheers,
Chris


Cool Chris,
Dl'ing 06-11 now
http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware


Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pundamilia on 12 Jun 2016, 05:55 pm
BDP-1 unusable with "Enable Update at Start-up" checked ON with a db of about 8,000 songs using MM S2.24 2016-02-08.

While this feature is useful if you are continually adding to your digital library, the BDP-1 can't keep up after playing for a while and the audio drops out intermittently until the update is finished. I suspect that this is either a processor or memory limitation for the BDP-1. Can either/both be upgraded?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Jun 2016, 09:13 am
HI Chris,


Any news on the wrong order issue? Still here in the latest beta:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144875)


Last item in the list shows up somewhere in the middle. Folder, or track. (unless less than 3 or 4 items, or a numbered list)


Cheers,
Marius
 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Jun 2016, 07:11 am
Let me correct that:
Numbered lists are also affected....  :scratch:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144980)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144981)

Marius


HI Chris,


Any news on the wrong order issue? Still here in the latest beta:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144875)


Last item in the list shows up somewhere in the middle. Folder, or track. (unless less than 3 or 4 items, or a numbered list)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Jun 2016, 07:20 am
HI,

No they can't. Soldered to the board apparently.

BDP1 is a perfect machine, but very limited in resources. Updating causes the playback to dropout or distort. Updating on startup is alright in the beginning of building a library, but takes longer when the library grows, though Chris has made the software speedup considerably compared to before.

Just as it can't handle the Bryston DB with large libraries, you'd better disable startup updating, and use one of the other supplied means to do so.
I find the update drive in Settings/Diskinformation to be very reliable. Clicking update in the upper left corner starts a general update of all attached drives, which is overkill mostly. Updating only a single album or song can be done nicely by enabling the 'Show missing files and folders' in MediaPlayer settings, and then click the + sign to the right of the missing files/folders.

Taking these minor nuisances into account, the BDP1 will still last a bit!
Cheers,
Marius

ps
Writing the above just made me realize that the 'Show missing files and folders' is a perfect example of the still very computerist interface many modern music-players have. We've talked at length on this board how that could be changed, should even, maybe?


Show missing Album and tracks would be the preferred phrase i suppose.


(and let's not make it Album and songs, which is an often seen focus on Pop-music, and seems to oversee the many customers that listen to other music, Classical for example. That have tracks not being songs...) Compare Default view, Song view, Artist view in Mediaplayer. And then listen to Mozart's 40th symphony. Ah, let's listen to the last song.... ;-(

Sorry.

BDP-1 unusable with "Enable Update at Start-up" checked ON with a db of about 8,000 songs using MM S2.24 2016-02-08.

While this feature is useful if you are continually adding to your digital library, the BDP-1 can't keep up after playing for a while and the audio drops out intermittently until the update is finished. I suspect that this is either a processor or memory limitation for the BDP-1. Can either/both be upgraded?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 15 Jun 2016, 08:25 pm
BDP1 is a perfect machine, but very limited in resources. Updating causes the playback to dropout or distort. Updating on startup is alright in the beginning of building a library, but takes longer when the library grows, though Chris has made the software speedup considerably compared to before.

Just as it can't handle the Bryston DB with large libraries...

If you disable the Bryston DB, ignore Manic Moose and use third-party MPD apps (e.g. MPaD, MPDroid, Soundirok), I would say that the BDP-1 is a perfect MDP machine.

I my experience, with MPD only, updating is really fast, after the initial build (I have 17,000+ tracks over a NAS share, mostly AIFF with some MP3 and AAC).

I am constantly downloading new music or ripping new CDs and I don't even bother to segregate my NAS shares to speed-up the refresh; after copying new music to the NAS drive, I just update MPD from Soundirok and it's done in a couple of minutes.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pundamilia on 15 Jun 2016, 08:55 pm
Good point!

I never seemed to have ANY issues with my BDP-1 while I was using mPad/od.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 19 Jun 2016, 04:03 pm
Is the software getting closer to being able to handle or I guess see the tags of .wav files? I've got the latest Beta loaded but my .wav albums still aren't picking up the album art, album name and track number when in Artists view. Even when viewing in Default View the track numbers aren't getting picked up and neither is the album name.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Jun 2016, 09:06 am
HI Chris,


Thanks for this:

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145264)

It's a cool feature (though a bit hidden in the interface..) and another way of trying to get the artist/album  being played.

Still, this search seems a very heavy process for the processor, taking a very long time to end and show its result.

Couldn't you just implement a direct 'go to folder', clicking on the album or artist? No searching needed, and the file browsing position is unique so should be a very quick action?


Cheers,
Marius


HI Chris,

could you add a quick and direct shortcut in the browser part of MM to the (album of the) current playing track?

Asked before, unfortunately it might be buried under other priorities.
But it would really be a great feature, being able to go back to the current track immediately, without having to browse the full path for each and every track. Especially in the MM interface, that keeps scrolling up and down to the wrong focus, or just hasn't got enough screen estate on mobile/iphone.

Hope you can do it.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bjski on 20 Jun 2016, 12:38 pm
Hi Chris, the latest firmware works great on my BDP-2 but not on the BDP-1. Tried swapping out hard drives but in the end just went back to the Febuary version in the BDP-1.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: docder on 20 Jun 2016, 06:31 pm
S2.25 2016-06-15 is functioning on my BDP-1, apart from one thing, Manic Moose MPD has occasionally turned itself off in Services! Selecting Services MPD button brings it back on again.

docder

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: docder on 20 Jun 2016, 07:34 pm
It looks like MPD quits in the latest MM beta when I turn Shairplay on.

docder
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Jun 2016, 07:38 pm
It looks like MPD quits in the latest MM beta when I turn Shairplay on.

docder

As stated by Chris in the version history. Only one output service at a time can be active. Activating the one will toggle the other off.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: docder on 20 Jun 2016, 07:41 pm
Ah, now I understand.

Thanks Marius.

D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Jun 2016, 08:15 pm
Sure, yw!


check:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145293)


Ah, now I understand.

Thanks Marius.

D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jun 2016, 01:01 am
It looks like MPD quits in the latest MM beta when I turn Shairplay on.

docder

S2.26 is a stable release and what Marius said, it's now intentional.  Our next release will build upon this and is expected within the next couple of weeks due to working some things out with the BDP-1 hardware platform.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 21 Jun 2016, 04:09 pm
S2.26 is a stable release and what Marius said, it's now intentional.  Our next release will build upon this and is expected within the next couple of weeks due to working some things out with the BDP-1 hardware platform.

Chris, I have a "New firmware is available" in the Dashboard right now, since this morning.
Not within next couple of weeks, neither since yesterday.

I'm currently on S 2.24 2016.02.08 - in my BDP-2.

Is it S 2.26 ?
*
Now I'm answering myself: it's S2.26 2016-06-20
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jun 2016, 06:10 pm
Chris, I have a "New firmware is available" in the Dashboard right now, since this morning.
Not within next couple of weeks, neither since yesterday.

I'm currently on S 2.24 2016.02.08 - in my BDP-2.

Is it S 2.26 ?
*
Now I'm answering myself: it's S2.26 2016-06-20

S2.28 is expected in 2-3 weeks (maybe sooner).

As mentioned before there are additional features ready to be released for the BDP-2 but not the BDP-1 and we like to keep everything in sync, once we the BDP-1 has been worked out we will release the new feature for both units at the same time.  In the mean time we will start releasing testing builds again today (S2.27) containing minor improvements and changes.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 21 Jun 2016, 07:18 pm
S2.28 is expected in 2-3 weeks (maybe sooner).

Thank you, Chris.

I can wait 2-3 weeks for the S2.28 -  :D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 22 Jun 2016, 02:22 pm
S2.28 is expected in 2-3 weeks (maybe sooner).

As mentioned before there are additional features ready to be released for the BDP-2 but not the BDP-1 and we like to keep everything in sync, once we the BDP-1 has been worked out we will release the new feature for both units at the same time.  In the mean time we will start releasing testing builds again today (S2.27) containing minor improvements and changes.

Cheers,
Chris

Hi Chris,

Would you be willing to post here (or a new thread) when you are pushing a new BETA build and provide a summary of changes (maybe a little bit more than "minor fixes"). That would be helpful and thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: R. Daneel on 23 Jun 2016, 03:17 pm
Hi!

Can someone answer what additional functionality does the new firmware release bring or share a link where I can read more about it?

I read some reports from a hi-fi show where it stated that BDP-2 was soon to be ready for Roon. Is this true?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Jun 2016, 03:48 pm
S2.26 2016-06-20
Summary
Please see S2.25 notes for more detailed summary
Enhancements to Tidal web interface
Enhancements and bug fixes to CD Backup Utility
Changes to services, now only one playback service can be running at once (MPD, DLNA renderer, shairplay, Squeezelite or Squeezeslave)
When one is turned on, the others are turned off

S2.25 2016-06-17
Firmware Generic
Various minor bugs fixes with web gui

S2.25 2016-06-16
CD Backup Utility
Changed default various artist cd path
Fixed bug with Various Artist CD path

Media Player - Default View
Click on the artist or album of the currently playing song (below cover art) triggers the BDP to search for more of the same

S2.25 2016-06-15
CD Backup Utility
Option to disable verification during the ripping process
Option to create an mp3 of the ripped tracks
Placed in a folder labeled mp3 in the destination folder
Observes destination format
various artist cd's not yet tested

S2.25 2016-06-11
Bryston Front Panel
Fixed Service mode activation
Added third indicator for service mode, connecting
Service Mode, when select will auto refresh state every second, much like service mode in the web gui
CD Backup
Added checkboxes to allow users to only select certain tracks to be ripped
Services
Enabling MPD, Shairplay, Squeezeslave, Squeezelite or DLNA Renderer will disable the others

S2.25 2016-06-09
Manic Moose
Fixed various bugs

S2.25 2016-06-08
mpd.library
Fixed bug introduced in S2.25 2016-06-03
/bin/id3v2tolltag.php
New tool for internal use

S2.25 2016-06-03
CD Backup
Replaced id3v2 with lltag
fixed album artist tag

S2.25 2016-05-26
CD Backup
Changed file munging

S2.25 2016-05-21
Bryston App
Added support for bryston app (iOS/Android)
USB Mount
Modified handling of ext filesystems

S2.25 2016-05-15
CD Backup
Additional layer character filtering at the info.php layer (removes any character under the decimnal value of 32)
Media Player Default
Increased reliability of current playlist track removal and re-arrangement from iOS
IE/Edge Fixes
Possible fix for caching issues with IE & Edge, Applies to currently:
Dashboard
Media Player Default
Media Player Artist
Audio Devices

S2.25 2016-05-13
Tidal
Added button to remove songs from queue, touch ups still required

S2.25 2016-05-12
Tidal
Changes to tidal queueing
Media Player
Default View - tooltip containing cover art should appear after cover art changes (from clicking the cover art)
CD Backup
Fixed bugs with backup setup

S2.25 2016-05-08
CD Backup
Fixed bugs with backup setup

S2.25 2016-05-06
CD Backup
Fixed bugs with tag data download introduced with S2.25 2016-04-15
Tidal
Stream lined file ready code and added variable to customize how much of a file is downloaded before playing
tidal.set, buffer_bytes;250000

S2.25 2016-05-05
Firmware Update
Intgeration of BDP-Pi and BDP-1/2 upgrade mechanism
Artist View
Fixed issue with undefined settings

S2.25 2016-04-15
CD Backup WUI
Added a post ripping process to set additional id3 tags beyond what abcde supports
Fixed post MPD update function
Fixed parsing of cddb file
Tidal
additional tweak to tidal buffer delay

S2.25 2016-04-08
Tidal
Some tweaks to tidal buffer delay

S2.25 2016-04-07
CD Backup Web GUI
Fixed bugs with "use memory for temp location"

S2.25 2016-04-06
CD Backup Web GUI
Added an option to use system memory rather then destination drive to rip and encode files
Additional fixes to configuration permissions

S2.25 2016-04-05
Sounddirok
Forgot to mention this in previous release notes
Added Soundirok coverart.php script to firmware
http:///coverart.php
Edited picture file names to make use of bdp_front_250.jpg
Tidal
Updated Tidal Rising View
Started work on Tidal Discovery View

S2.25 2016-04-01
Tidal
Fixed bugs with Tidal queueing system
Updated albums and playlist tiles
Added Tidal Rising menu item
Tweaked playlists under my music to show in alphabetical order
Shairplay
Fixed runaway issue that was introduced in the previous release
S2.25 2016-03-17
Manic Moose Web Interface
Modified the inverted cascading style sheet to make it a bit brighter
Manic Moose Web Interface - Default
Added a drop down menu to settings, Alternative Sorting Methods of Library
Default behavior as before, "Ingore Case" if running MPD 0.17 or 18 the list of files and folders will ignore case, "Ingore Case and Type" files and folders will be mixed in alphabetical order
Added a drop down menu to settings, options to help keep either the back button or transport controls in view
Manic Moose Web Interface - Artist View
Modified cover art handling to substitute existing cover art of bryston cover art isn't found
Tidal
Fixed adding songs to playlist issue
Added support for BR2 play button
Library Doctor
Added additional bryston cache files to be detected and removed
BOT - Memory Player
Push 'next' song button within 10 seconds of seeing the "Audio CD Ready" message
The BDP will then procede to rip the entire contents of the cd to memory
Takes about half the time as it would to rip as flac to a USB hard drive
Once it is done, the tracks on the cd should appear in the current playlist
Ejecting the cd will remove the tracks from memory and the MPD playlist
Provides cover art
S2.25 2016-03-10
Manic Moose Web Interface
Added an option to invert the colour of the interface

Bryston Panel - BOT
Fixed some issues with initiating CD ripping from the front of the unit (matches fixes made for the Web GUI)
Follows various artist rules
After ripping decision menu stays, shouldn't, now fixed
Bryston DB Enabled, will prevent playing of tracks while ripping

S2.25 2016-03-07
Shairplay
Altered start script to run program in a loop; in event of a crash it will automatically restart
MPD Restart
forces restart of node mpd client (web communication)
Squeezeslave
Fixed issue preventing MPD from starting if enabled
Uses hostname (changable from Network Interfaces settings page, Advanced)
DLNA Renderer
Uses hostname (changable from Network Interfaces settings page, Advanced)


S2.25 2016-03-02
Tidal
Some sprucing up of the new mobile interface, tested on iPhone iOS 9 only
S2.25 2016-03-01
Tidal
Fixed previous track bug
Added early build of mobile interface (it is a redirect)
This "mobile" version of the interface is designed to work along side the desktop/tablet version
S2.25 2016-02-26
Messages/Alerts
Moved from upper right to lower right
Tidal
A number of visual tweaks
Fixed numerous minor bugs
Queue, added save and clear buttons
Opened ticket with Tidal as to why adding songs to playlist isn't functional
Can favourite Playlists from Whats New page
Fixed transport control bugs
Frontpanel buttons should control tidal when tidal queue isn't empty
S2.25 2016-02-23
NOTE
Had to clear browser cache before mediaplayer would functin correctly
Manic Moose Web Interface
Added messaging system to display alerts in the upper right corner
Artist View
Fixed transparency issue with cover art
Default View
Fixed current playlist, songs can be dragged and dropped into place again

S2.25 2016-02-16
MPD Client
Fixed issue causing Bryston DB build to be killed before it completes
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vonnie123 on 23 Jun 2016, 05:47 pm
S2.26 2016-06-20
Summary
Please see S2.25 notes for more detailed summary
Enhancements to Tidal web interface
Enhancements and bug fixes to CD Backup Utility
Changes to services, now only one playback service can be running at once (MPD, DLNA renderer, shairplay, Squeezelite or Squeezeslave)
When one is turned on, the others are turned off



Hi Chris, any technical details on this change.  BDP-1 seems to work fine with multiple services selected?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 24 Jun 2016, 05:19 am
HI Krutsch and Anton,

Keep this page in your favorites:

http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware (http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware)

Both releases and betas nicely listed with all version history, among many other web based interfaces to your Bryston gear. (unfortunately im only using the BDP-firmware pages, have none of the other devices ...)

Cheers,
Marius






Hi!

Can someone answer what additional functionality does the new firmware release bring or share a link where I can read more about it?

I read some reports from a hi-fi show where it stated that BDP-2 was soon to be ready for Roon. Is this true?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 24 Jun 2016, 10:09 am
Chis,


You nailed it! this is so easy now, thanks a bunch! :thumb:
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145484)

1 click, and immediate response in the browser window.
Search is still available which makes us have best of both worlds now, very nice indeed.

Cheers,
Marius
 
HI Chris,


Thanks for this:

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145264)

It's a cool feature (though a bit hidden in the interface..) and another way of trying to get the artist/album  being played.

Still, this search seems a very heavy process for the processor, taking a very long time to end and show its result.

Couldn't you just implement a direct 'go to folder', clicking on the album or artist? No searching needed, and the file browsing position is unique so should be a very quick action?


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Jun 2016, 01:31 am
Has anyone gone through the trouble of going back and adding the liner notes of your ripped CD's? I've considered this but I know it's a monumental amount of work plus I've never seen anyone post pics of how the app handles this. I'm pretty sure support for this was added wasn't it? You just tap on the cover art in Default view and it cycles through images doesn't it? How many images are supported?

Also for the future could we please get a sorting option added to Artist view so that once we select our artist on the left and all of the albums load on the right we get an option list on the right to sort by date and not just the default/embedded album name. Having ascending and descending options would be great here as well.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 28 Jun 2016, 03:31 am
Has anyone gone through the trouble of going back and adding the liner notes of your ripped CD's? I've considered this but I know it's a monumental amount of work plus I've never seen anyone post pics of how the app handles this. I'm pretty sure support for this was added wasn't it? You just tap on the cover art in Default view and it cycles through images doesn't it? How many images are supported?

I've been doing this for newly ripped CDs and many albums from places like 2L.no include the booklet with the download. It's amazing how much material is on the inner-tubes for making your own booklets. I name them all "booklet.pdf" and configure Soundirok to look for them and load them from the tap-and-hold menu. MPaD has a similar function. In both cases, it works great and it's fun to look at the booklets when listening to new albums.

It would be super cool to have this function work in Manic Moose... but with a separate place to click/load the booklet. Clicking on the album art behaves oddly for my collection. I have both "folder.jpg" files in my album folders, as well as embedded art in the files, as well as "back.jpg" files. When I click on the album during playback, it seems to cycle between the folder.jpg, then the embedded artwork (not sure of the order) and then a black empty box (I think MM can never load the back.jpg).

Quote
Also for the future could we please get a sorting option added to Artist view so that once we select our artist on the left and all of the albums load on the right we get an option list on the right to sort by date and not just the default/embedded album name. Having ascending and descending options would be great here as well.

Yes, please... that would be awesome, as well. In my collection, I have albums sorted into folders by media/resolution and the default sort ordering seems to be by folder, then by name, so sorting options would be welcomed.

As long as we are wishing... what I would like is to have Manic Moose remember where it was in the Artist View so when I click to the Default View and then back to the Artist View, I am looking at the same collection of albums.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Jun 2016, 10:55 am
I've been doing this for newly ripped CDs and many albums from places like 2L.no include the booklet with the download. It's amazing how much material is on the inner-tubes for making your own booklets. I name them all "booklet.pdf" and configure Soundirok to look for them and load them from the tap-and-hold menu. MPaD has a similar function. In both cases, it works great and it's fun to look at the booklets when listening to new albums.

It would be super cool to have this function work in Manic Moose... but with a separate place to click/load the booklet. Clicking on the album art behaves oddly for my collection. I have both "folder.jpg" files in my album folders, as well as embedded art in the files, as well as "back.jpg" files. When I click on the album during playback, it seems to cycle between the folder.jpg, then the embedded artwork (not sure of the order) and then a black empty box (I think MM can never load the back.jpg).

Yes, please... that would be awesome, as well. In my collection, I have albums sorted into folders by media/resolution and the default sort ordering seems to be by folder, then by name, so sorting options would be welcomed.

As long as we are wishing... what I would like is to have Manic Moose remember where it was in the Artist View so when I click to the Default View and then back to the Artist View, I am looking at the same collection of albums.

Ah so it sounds like this feature of liner notes doesn't work that well in MM. That's unfortunate as that's what I use, I don't use any of the other software packages.

I like your wish list item idea about navigating back and forth between Default and Artist view, that would be most welcome as well.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Jun 2016, 02:26 pm
Was there something in an earlier firmware that would have resized the folder.jpg files? I was just in browsing around and noticed most of my albums folder.jpg files are now 200x200 pixels rather than the 800x800 I when originally created.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 28 Jun 2016, 03:25 pm
Can someone explain why one needs a scratch disk?  MM seems to pick up my metadata ok now mPaD is another story i'm having problems with it getting some of the metadata,  any help would be welcomed. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 28 Jun 2016, 07:06 pm
Can someone explain why one needs a scratch disk?  MM seems to pick up my metadata ok now mPaD is another story i'm having problems with it getting some of the metadata,  any help would be welcomed.

modern versions of manic moose a scratch disk is really only needed if your using the web interface to access tidal and its only used for caching cover art so it loads faster
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 28 Jun 2016, 07:09 pm
Was there something in an earlier firmware that would have resized the folder.jpg files? I was just in browsing around and noticed most of my albums folder.jpg files are now 200x200 pixels rather than the 800x800 I when originally created.

Manic Moose does optimize cover art for the web interface and to provide common names to be used for local cover art features in third party apps, but its saves them under the names bdp_front_250.jpg and bdp_front_44.jpg and the resolutions are 250x250 and 44x44
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 29 Jun 2016, 11:55 am
Manic Moose does optimize cover art for the web interface and to provide common names to be used for local cover art features in third party apps, but its saves them under the names bdp_front_250.jpg and bdp_front_44.jpg and the resolutions are 250x250 and 44x44

Thanks so I can cross off the BDP from resizing my files. I wonder if iTunes or Windows Media player would be the culprits.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 29 Jun 2016, 11:58 am
With Roon now part of the Bryston experience does that mean that continued development of MM's album/file management will decrease or stop or continue forward as being what it always has been an alternative to the 3rd party offerings?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jun 2016, 12:24 pm
With Roon now part of the Bryston experience does that mean that continued development of MM's album/file management will decrease or stop or continue forward as being what it always has been an alternative to the 3rd party offerings?

Hi rod

No MM development will move forward and I will continue to keep Chris shackled to his work station.

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 29 Jun 2016, 12:28 pm
Hi rod

No MM development will move forward and I will continue to keep Chris shackled to his work station.

James

LOL... Thanks James. I hope the shackles aren't to tight :) You need to get the poor guy some assistants  :wink:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Jun 2016, 12:39 pm
Great, and please do.
MM might be not as visually attractive, but there's nothing as clean and quick as browsing one's library by folder. Not to mention playing with one click. MM shines in that.


Cheers,
Marius


 
Hi rod

No MM development will move forward and I will continue to keep Chris shackled to his work station.

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jun 2016, 12:49 pm
Great, and please do.
MM might be not as visually attractive, but there's nothing as clean and quick as browsing one's library by folder. Not to mention playing with one click. MM shines in that.


Cheers,
Marius


Hi Folks,

Yes I think Roon and MM are different enough that some will prefer MM and some will prefer Roon or other 3rd party interfaces like MPAD and MPOD or Android based interfaces.   Roon is much more Graphic based whereas MM is geared more towards Folder based operation. :thumb:

Also I will be interested in customers opinion of the sound of MPD vs third party software. :scratch:

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: docder on 29 Jun 2016, 07:50 pm
I installed Roon last night and have been running it today to Roon Ready BDP-1. First impression was that Roon SQ was lighter, cleaner, clearer, more refined than MM MPD. But Roon kept dropping out and this evening I went back to MM. The MM SQ now seemed more revealing, a bigger sound field, more depth. Plus I prefer the simpler interface of MM, don't like all those little hearts in Roon, yuck. I know I am on a learning curve with Roon but I was struggling to get it to do what I wanted. I'll keep on trying but this evening I'm back with MM for its simple elegance [the grey version] and its big sounding reproduction of a certain singer songwriter doing his Sinatra thing in Kettering, Oh.

D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 29 Jun 2016, 08:00 pm
I wish/hope a nice graphical/visual interface doesn't mean depreciated sound quality.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 30 Jun 2016, 02:53 am
S2.26 2016-06-20
Changes to services, now only one playback service can be running at once (MPD, DLNA renderer, shairplay, Squeezelite or Squeezeslave)
When one is turned on, the others are turned off

Chris, may I inquire as to why this change was implemented?  It is actually less user friendly. 

I regularly switch back and forth between my playlists on my internal SSD (MPD) and using Shairplay when I  want to stream from Amazon.  Before this change, the BDP-2 would automatically play from either source with no problems at all.  Now, I have to go into Services and enable the "input" I want to use.  It feels like a "feature" was removed.  Is it possible to undo this change?

Thank you
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 30 Jun 2016, 03:07 am
Chris, may I inquire as to why this change was implemented?  It is actually less user friendly. 

I regularly switch back and forth between my playlists on my internal SSD (MPD) and using Shairplay when I  want to stream from Amazon.  Before this change, the BDP-2 would automatically play from either source with no problems at all.  Now, I have to go into Services and enable the "input" I want to use.  It feels like a "feature" was removed.  Is it possible to undo this change?

Thank you

Also, even when MPD is on, which forces Shairplay off, my Apple device (iPhone) shows the BDP-2 as an available AirPlay device for streaming.  This confuses the issue as an end user, because it makes me think that I should be able to stream to the BDP-2, but there is no sound due to Shairplay having been forced off and not automatically turning itself back on, like it used to do in the past.

Thank you
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 30 Jun 2016, 10:10 am
I wish/hope a nice graphical/visual interface doesn't mean depreciated sound quality.

I am going to put some real time into this, over the next 2 weeks. So far, nothing I've listened to in my system can quite match the BDP-1 with MPD playback.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 30 Jun 2016, 04:34 pm

Hi Folks,

Yes I think Roon and MM are different enough that some will prefer MM and some will prefer Roon or other 3rd party interfaces like MPAD and MPOD or Android based interfaces.   Roon is much more Graphic based whereas MM is geared more towards Folder based operation. :thumb:

Also I will be interested in customers opinion of the sound of MPD vs third party software. :scratch:

james

Finally got Roon up and running (BDP-2 to BDA-2 to SP3 via AES/EBU). The only difference was that I compared files on the server to files stored on an SSD locally on the BDP2. The files are identical, just stored in different locations.

 I only listen for 20 minutes or so comparing Roon to MM. My initial thoughts were that roon sounded flat, less dimensional, and less engaging. I hope I'm wrong. I have very high hopes for a GUI for the BDP2.

I plan to listen more tonight and to form a more definitive opinion.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 30 Jun 2016, 05:10 pm
Are any of you using your Artist and Artist Album tags differently to achieve a particular sorting/identification behavior? I've just started re-ripping all of my CD's to lossless uncompressed vs dbpoweramp's lossless compression level 5 which I choose initially and was wondering how I might be able to use these tags differently. During my initial ripping I set both of these to be the same which has caused issues for sure in Artist view when it comes to my soundtrack albums which feature tracks from differing artists. This always causes those albums to be split apart so if I want to listen to all songs from the album I have to access it via Default view in order to get at the folder so all songs get loaded at once rather than me bouncing all of the place in Artist view from artist to artist trying to piece the album together.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 30 Jun 2016, 08:43 pm
Are you noticing an audible difference from the compression,  or is it just for peace of mind? Just curious because I considered the same thing but never had the time to test it
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 30 Jun 2016, 08:48 pm
Are you noticing an audible difference from the compression,  or is it just for peace of mind? Just curious because I considered the same thing but never had the time to test it

Just for peace of mind more than anything at this point. Initially when I started the ripping process I only had a single 6TB drive in my NAS and had no idea how much space it wasn going to take to rip my entire collection so I went on the space conservative side with dbpoweramps default. Now that I have 3 6TB drives space isn't an issue so I'm re-ripping everything.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vonnie123 on 1 Jul 2016, 08:02 am
@ unincognito  (Chris). 

My BDP-1 from day one has lost its display screen after a couple of hours of use.  Subsequent to the S 2.28 firmware update, this issue has been corrected.  All controls work correctly, and the screen displays the active track and artist.  Up to about 16 hours use on Roon Ready, everything works great...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Anonamemouse on 1 Jul 2016, 09:57 am
Are any of you using your Artist and Artist Album tags differently to achieve a particular sorting/identification behavior? I've just started re-ripping all of my CD's to lossless uncompressed vs dbpoweramp's lossless compression level 5 which I choose initially and was wondering how I might be able to use these tags differently. During my initial ripping I set both of these to be the same which has caused issues for sure in Artist view when it comes to my soundtrack albums which feature tracks from differing artists. This always causes those albums to be split apart so if I want to listen to all songs from the album I have to access it via Default view in order to get at the folder so all songs get loaded at once rather than me bouncing all of the place in Artist view from artist to artist trying to piece the album together.
In what format are you ripping? Flac? Wav? Anything else?
DBPoweramp has Flac compression level 0, which basically means the uncompressed WAV file with a layer of tags around it.
Advantages: tags that actually are picked up, uncompressed WAV, low processor activity because the file doesn't need to be decompressed.
Disadvantage: large files.
I rip everyting in compression level 1 or 2. Considerably smaller files, no loss in sound whatsoever, still a smaller load on the processor.

About the tagging: there is a separate tag: "album artist". Fill  this with the main artist under which you would like to see the album listed, and the entire album should show up under that name. Since I am not home right now I cannot tell you how to get there in DBPoweramp... I suggest you download Tag&Rename (http://www.softpointer.com/tr.htm), by far the ultimate tagging tool.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 1 Jul 2016, 12:55 pm
In what format are you ripping? Flac? Wav? Anything else?
DBPoweramp has Flac compression level 0, which basically means the uncompressed WAV file with a layer of tags around it.
Advantages: tags that actually are picked up, uncompressed WAV, low processor activity because the file doesn't need to be decompressed.
Disadvantage: large files.
I rip everyting in compression level 1 or 2. Considerably smaller files, no loss in sound whatsoever, still a smaller load on the processor.

About the tagging: there is a separate tag: "album artist". Fill  this with the main artist under which you would like to see the album listed, and the entire album should show up under that name. Since I am not home right now I cannot tell you how to get there in DBPoweramp... I suggest you download Tag&Rename (http://www.softpointer.com/tr.htm), by far the ultimate tagging tool.

Thanks

I'm ripping to FLAC using the Lossless Uncompressed option
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 2 Jul 2016, 01:45 am
I know there is weird behaviour associated with wav files due to tag issues but any idea why I'm not getting Disc 1 from a 2 disc set showing up in Artist View? Disc 2 is being picked up just fine. I also have another 2 disc set and neither of those albums are getting picked up. Very strange. Neither of these are albums (4 discs in total) I ripped myself, I got them from someone else.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 2 Jul 2016, 11:58 am
Finally got Roon up and running (BDP-2 to BDA-2 to SP3 via AES/EBU). The only difference was that I compared files on the server to files stored on an SSD locally on the BDP2. The files are identical, just stored in different locations.

 I only listen for 20 minutes or so comparing Roon to MM. My initial thoughts were that roon sounded flat, less dimensional, and less engaging. I hope I'm wrong. I have very high hopes for a GUI for the BDP2.

I plan to listen more tonight and to form a more definitive opinion.
I was exhausted last night and only listened for a few minutes, this time over headphones on my BHA-1. I'm still hearing a difference between MPD and Roon, but im wondering if that difference is simply volume related?

Should the volume of music played via MPD be identical to music played via Roon?

Is anyone else noticing differences between the two? Perhaps it's something unique to my system/setup?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 2 Jul 2016, 02:28 pm
I was exhausted last night and only listened for a few minutes, this time over headphones on my BHA-1. I'm still hearing a difference between MPD and Roon, but im wondering if that difference is simply volume related?

Should the volume of music played via MPD be identical to music played via Roon?

Is anyone else noticing differences between the two? Perhaps it's something unique to my system/setup?

In short: yes. I am also wondering if it's a volume issue.

I am running a BDP-1 w/ AES out into a Bel Canto DAC 2.5 into a Woo WA3 w/ headphones (Sennheiser HD-650, HD-700). I believe that MPD playback sounds cleaner, detailed, with more impact and I wonder if that simply means "louder".

I don't have a sound meter, but maybe someone can weigh-in on the question of loudness with MPD.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Jul 2016, 10:51 am
In short: yes. I am also wondering if it's a volume issue.

I am running a BDP-1 w/ AES out into a Bel Canto DAC 2.5 into a Woo WA3 w/ headphones (Sennheiser HD-650, HD-700). I believe that MPD playback sounds cleaner, detailed, with more impact and I wonder if that simply means "louder".

I don't have a sound meter, but maybe someone can weigh-in on the question of loudness with MPD.


In my setup, the Roon stream sounds  louder than MDP. I havent changed the volume slider and other options in Roon yet though. Maybe that could rule out the volume issue, and make comparing on other aspects than volume a bit easier.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jul 2016, 11:33 am

In my setup, the Roon stream sounds  louder than MDP. I havent changed the volume slider and other options in Roon yet though. Maybe that could rule out the volume issue, and make comparing on other aspects than volume a bit easier.

Cheers,
Marius

Also you can turn off the Volume control in Roon

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 3 Jul 2016, 12:47 pm
I believe I had it set to "maximum". Is that the same as disabling it?

I'll have to go back and spend some time configuring Roon. Are there any other recommended settings?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 16 Jul 2016, 06:46 pm
For all you classical music guys out there, when you are ripping your discs how do you:

name the folder
name the track
tag the track (what are the typical important tags classical albums should have for proper classification and cataloging)

What confuses me is there is the musical piece i.e. song if you will (sometimes a disc actually has multiple pieces I have noticed), original composer, the conductor and then whatever orchestra and choir may be involved. Should all of this be captured somehow or do you typically disregard some of it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 16 Jul 2016, 11:59 pm
For all you classical music guys out there, when you are ripping your discs how do you:

name the folder
name the track
tag the track (what are the typical important tags classical albums should have for proper classification and cataloging)

What confuses me is there is the musical piece i.e. song if you will (sometimes a disc actually has multiple pieces I have noticed), original composer, the conductor and then whatever orchestra and choir may be involved. Should all of this be captured somehow or do you typically disregard some of it.

Unfortunately, I haven't found a single software pack that databases classical music libraries in a systematic, consistent fashion.

But that's OK, as I customize my library labels, and I never have to use Search (I have a good memory for what's in me library).

I use XLD for Mac. Screenshot is here. It allows me to specify exactly what each track contains in its label (yellow box). Sample rips are shown in the screenshot.

I've learned not to get too OCD about consistency. My folders are labelled by composer-piece-conductor/artist-orchestra/group.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146960)

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Yitshak on 17 Jul 2016, 04:46 am
For all you classical music guys out there, when you are ripping your discs how do you:

name the folder
name the track
tag the track (what are the typical important tags classical albums should have for proper classification and cataloging)

What confuses me is there is the musical piece i.e. song if you will (sometimes a disc actually has multiple pieces I have noticed), original composer, the conductor and then whatever orchestra and choir may be involved. Should all of this be captured somehow or do you typically disregard some of it.


I create new folders :

symphonies
Concertos
Chamber
Operas
Other...

Create Composer (not artist) folder inside each of the above:

The I put manually each file where I want.

This give me the most quick search on MM do to less folder to look at
from the start and later on I can eliminate the pre made folders and the files original metadata stay the same.

and I do the similar for Jazz...

Orchestral
Chamber piano
Chamber Sax
chamber ...

But then I make Artist folders instead of composer,
And again put all folders as rip manually to those folders.

A few pills of OCD'PIRIN may be in order for doing so but it's
very easy later to find and play each specific album while using MM.

It does help knowing I can revers this any time very simple relatively
to other re tagging methods.


Itshak








Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 17 Jul 2016, 04:07 pm
Thanks guys
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: myview on 17 Jul 2016, 10:59 pm
For most of the albums, I have each album in a separate folder:

Composer - NameofWorkNo.1, Composer - NameofWorkNo.2  SoloistIfAny, OrchestraName, ConductorName (LabelName), for example:
Paganini - Violin Concerto No. 4, Sonata Varsavia  Gidon Kremer, VPO, Riccardo Muti (Philips)
Dvorak - Cello Concerto, Herbert - Cello Concerto No.2  Gautier Capuçon, Frankfurt RSO, Paavo Jarvi (Virgin)
Chopin - Piano Concertos Nos. 1 & 2  Jorge Bolet, Montreal SO, Charles Dutoit (Decca)

Sometimes, an artist (could be a soloist or a conductor) is very well-known or whom I like a lot, I name the folders in an artist-centric way, for example:
Leonid Kogan - Lalo - Symphonie espagnole, Tchaikovsky - Sérénade mélancolique  Philharmonia Orch, Kondrashin (EMI-Warner)
Leonidas Kavakos - Viennese Rhapsody - Music for violin and piano by Fritz Kreisler (BIS)
Kyung Wha Chung - Con Amore - Violin Encores (Decca K2HD)
Klaus Thunemann - Hummel & Weber Bassoon Concertos  ASMF, Sir Neville Marriner (Philips)
King's Singers - A Tribute to the Comedian Harmonists (EMI)

With regard to the meta data of each file, I try to populate every field I can but these are the more critical ones:
- Title (Tchaikovsky - Violin Concerto in D major, Op. 35 - I. Allegro medarato)
- Composer (Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky)
- Artist (Arthur Grumiaux (violin), New Philharmonia Orchestra, Jan Krenz)
- Album Artist (Arthur Grumiaux)
- Conductor (Jam Krenz)
- Date (1975)

I use DBpoweramp.

For all you classical music guys out there, when you are ripping your discs how do you:

name the folder
name the track
tag the track (what are the typical important tags classical albums should have for proper classification and cataloging)

What confuses me is there is the musical piece i.e. song if you will (sometimes a disc actually has multiple pieces I have noticed), original composer, the conductor and then whatever orchestra and choir may be involved. Should all of this be captured somehow or do you typically disregard some of it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 18 Jul 2016, 01:41 am
For all you classical music guys out there, when you are ripping your discs how do you:

name the folder
name the track
tag the track (what are the typical important tags classical albums should have for proper classification and cataloging)

What confuses me is there is the musical piece i.e. song if you will (sometimes a disc actually has multiple pieces I have noticed), original composer, the conductor and then whatever orchestra and choir may be involved. Should all of this be captured somehow or do you typically disregard some of it.

Here's what I do:

Grouping (standard ID3 tag) is used to group tracks that are typically of a single classical "Work" within an album or a single disc of an album indexed as multi disc. I use the following pattern:

- Grouping should be Composer: Work
- First titles within a work should be Composer: Work: Movement
- Following titles within a work: Movement
- Stand-alone titles: Composer:Movement (no grouping)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147048)

See the attached image for an example of what this looks like in iTunes. The advantage of leaving the complete "Composer: Work: Movement" as part of the initial title is that you can still read on playback systems that don't do anything with the Grouping tags (e.g. Manic Moose).

You can also add custom tags like: Composer, Orchestra, Soloist, et al., as well as very detailed genre/sub-genre labels. But the reality is, there is little software that reads and processes these tags (Audirvana+ and MinimServer being notable exceptions).

If you really want to crazy, this link will give you hours of fun on re-tagging your collection:

http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/itunes.htm (http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/itunes.htm)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 18 Jul 2016, 02:03 am
Much Ado About Nothing, really.   :scratch:

Each enthusiast has a different preferred way of cataloging/indexing, no doubt.
As long as they're comfy with it.....   :thumb:


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Tezza009 on 19 Jul 2016, 11:42 am
Hi Chris

With the latest firmware update turning on Shareplay turns off MPD and vice versa - is this correct?

Thanks
Terry
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Jul 2016, 12:39 pm
Hi Chris

With the latest firmware update turning on Shareplay turns off MPD and vice versa - is this correct?

Thanks
Terry

Correct
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Jul 2016, 01:46 pm
Hi Rod,


This is a bit of a tricky question...
Since i still havent found what im looking for (..) concerning Software and categorizing classical music, i must admit i havent worked with tags at all. Most software is not capable of doing so correctly, or put differently: there doesn't seem to be a agreed on standard. ;-((

Working with tags therefore is very frustrating for me, and, if one has a larger than small library, very time consuming searching on tags. BDP1 takes its time here. And even then, doesn't find what i can find myself with a few clicks, since i know where to look, and what to look for.

I store my files as i store my LP's/CD's etc. I have 3 drives, both logical (in my NAS) and physical (attached to the BDP) to mimic my cabinets in the room, that are also ordered in the following categories.

Pop
Jazz
Classical

All with several subcategories.

I have an extra MP3 folder (and drive) with the same ordering.
(I don't discriminate on the medium (mix 16/24 bit and all hz's), but find having MP3 separate very easy for backing up, and several devices work only or best with mp3. For that reason i have a separate folder for sacd rips also. but i have but a few, since i can't play them ;) )

In those categories i follow my now habits of search, and since you ask specifically about classical: main criterium (tag) order is Composer/Genre/Work/Performer.

I remove all redundant info, so when i browse to the last hierarchy (performer) i only have eg Knapperstbusch - Bayreuth - 1957, or Bohm - Bayreuth- 1967.
Stripping all extra info from the files and folders (because they are part of the higher level and inherit all those tags) is mainly done because the BDP can't scroll the tracks. Ive had my first Ring ripped, and all the BDP displayed where the first several digits of Richard Wagner - Ring des N ..... for 14 cd's ;)

Recordings centered around a performing artist/lable/style have a separate compilation folder, ordered obviously on artist/label/style.

I havent found a single cd/recording i can't place correctly without remembering where i have put it.

Jazz and Pop all are subdivided along the artist name, and subsequent recordings obviously.

Hope this helps, it does work for me.

btw: Browsing by folder is essential for me. Thats why the Roon experience is sub-optimal for me, not to mention  Tidal forcing its preferences down my BDP.. But thats an other thread entirely ;)  Thats why i love to work with my BDP, to get back to this OP subject..

Cheers,
Marius




For all you classical music guys out there, when you are ripping your discs how do you:

name the folder
name the track
tag the track (what are the typical important tags classical albums should have for proper classification and cataloging)

What confuses me is there is the musical piece i.e. song if you will (sometimes a disc actually has multiple pieces I have noticed), original composer, the conductor and then whatever orchestra and choir may be involved. Should all of this be captured somehow or do you typically disregard some of it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 19 Jul 2016, 02:53 pm
A separate thread about Classical Music Library labeling is needed here.

Not here on BDP/Manic Moose Firmware thread.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Jul 2016, 02:05 pm
Hi Chris,
back to playing through MM latest version with Roon support, i suddenly discover all files in the browser section are displayed with the music notes icon. Is this a bug, and was it there before? can't seem to remember to be honest.


Anyway, reported.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147166)
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147167)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Jul 2016, 04:22 pm
Hi Chris,
back to playing through MM latest version with Roon support, i suddenly discover all files in the browser section are displayed with the music notes icon. Is this a bug, and was it there before? can't seem to remember to be honest.


Anyway, reported.


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

The red entries are just files that aren't in the database, what your witnessing is normal behaviour

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pundamilia on 20 Jul 2016, 04:49 pm
I am currently listening to the music on the flash drive (Jen Chapin) that came with my new BDP-2 using MM. Using the Media Player, the top heading shows the song title, the artist and the album and then [d24/192]. Underneath the lower title, MM shows the "Sample:192000:32:2". Does the [d24/192] refer to the bitrate and sample frequency? It seems to contradict the sample rate info shown below. They are consistent about the 192k, but what is the actual bitrate?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 20 Jul 2016, 04:50 pm

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147166)
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147167)


Hey Marius,

I see that you have "back.jpg" files in your library. I add them, as well, but have yet to see one display. Are these appearing for you, when you click in the album cover in the Media Player display?

Thanks, Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Jul 2016, 06:16 pm
yes, most of the time:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147175) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147176) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147177)


Sometimes it doesn't work, a black placeholder shows, and i have to reload the media player.
I try to have at least a cover, back, and cd.jpg. Booklets in jpg's in a separate folder, or in a pdf/txt file. In this case an ePub file was made available with the download.

Last image is an example of the resizing going awkward, I've asked Chris before about this, but it didnt yet resolve.


Cheers,
Marius


Hey Marius,

I see that you have "back.jpg" files in your library. I add them, as well, but have yet to see one display. Are these appearing for you, when you click in the album cover in the Media Player display?

Thanks, Ken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Jul 2016, 06:19 pm
Hi Marius,

The red entries are just files that aren't in the database, what your witnessing is normal behaviour

Cheers,
Chris


HI Chris,


Yes, i am aware of that, it's just that i didn't remember non-music files being displayed with the music icon. I thought they had their correct system icons before?


If at all possible, that would be very welcome. I use the red files often, not only to check whether i have added music to the Db, but also for seeing which jpg's are available, and wether a booklet or another info pdf/txt file is in place.


Hope you can repair,
Thanks,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jul 2016, 12:48 am
If at all possible, that would be very welcome.

I'll try to remember to give the feature some attention, but my intention now that Roon Ready is done is to start shifting attention toward nutty narwhal.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 21 Jul 2016, 06:39 am
Ooh, which will focus on ???
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 21 Jul 2016, 08:59 am
HI Chris,
Another detail:


the top Tidal logo (above Hello user@email) points to Frontpage Bryston-bdp-1.local, which is inconsistent with user expectation ;)
I do miss a clear pointer to the Bryston MM interface, so maybe you've mixed-up those?


Tidal Logo to point to Tidal, Bryston logo to point to Bryston, or just use the Dashboard button as used in the MM interface? (i know its down below, but it just isn't really consistent with the rest of the interface)


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147205)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 21 Jul 2016, 07:50 pm
Marius,

Are you having FUN yet?   :lol:

So much musik, so little time.....
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 22 Jul 2016, 06:21 am
Sure, lol.


Though not with Tidal.... and my Roon setup is still analyzing my library. Half way there...Enjoying the BBC Proms streams, looking forward to Bayreuth live in a few days, summer is here!
Almost makes us forget the world around us....


Cheerup, Marius




Marius,

Are you having FUN yet?   :lol:

So much musik, so little time.....
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 22 Jul 2016, 10:30 am
Sure, lol.


...Enjoying the BBC Proms streams, looking forward to Bayreuth live in a few days, summer is here!
Almost makes us forget the world around us....


Cheerup, Marius

Almost true.  Musik can sometimes soften the world 'round us.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 22 Jul 2016, 11:27 pm
Is there a trick to getting the back cover art to show? I decided to give this a try and labelled the files Back.jpg. When I tap on the image the front cover image disappears and a Bryston placeholder shows up instead of the back image. I can see that it knows about the file as I see the name pop up but it's not loading.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Jul 2016, 07:25 am
Is there a trick to getting the back cover art to show? I decided to give this a try and labelled the files Back.jpg. When I tap on the image the front cover image disappears and a Bryston placeholder shows up instead of the back image. I can see that it knows about the file as I see the name pop up but it's not loading.

No trick. Just small caps? I seem to remember that from before, not sure though . Works here.

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 23 Jul 2016, 04:27 pm
No trick. Just small caps? I seem to remember that from before, not sure though . Works here.

Cheers Marius

What do you mean by small caps?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Jul 2016, 06:09 pm
What do you mean by small caps?

Try back.jpg instead of Back.jpg

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: myview on 24 Jul 2016, 07:28 am
Sorry I don't mean to derail the thread but since a few posters (including me) were exchanging ideas on organising our music files (especially for classical music), I thought I'd mention a company I have heard of a few times: http://musichi.eu/index.php/en/musichisuite

The claimed features look cool but I have not tried the free trial version.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Anonamemouse on 25 Jul 2016, 08:24 am
... small caps...

That is "lowercase" in het Engels... :)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 25 Jul 2016, 08:31 am
That is "lowercase" in het Engels... :)

.....
 :oops: :oops: :duh:
Pardon me please..
Must have been warm that day.

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vklyushnikov on 1 Aug 2016, 05:46 pm
Hi, I just turned on BDP-2 and noticed a little glitch in Roon Ready mode - a song title on BDP screen is overwritten with "BDP_POLL" word. I sure it wasn't there yesterday  - hope the issue is easy to catch.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 7 Aug 2016, 07:29 pm
See the attached image:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148088)

I just added Diana Panton's "Red" to my library. Artist View is showing the correct songs under Diana Panton, but with Taylor Swift's "Red" as the album cover.

I know I've reported this issue before, with examples of albums called "Greatest Hits" all using the first located album art for an album called Greatest Hits for ALL albums with the same title.

EDIT: it gets better... see the attached image #2:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148089)


...clicking on the PLAY button in Artist View incorrectly enqueues Taylor Swift's version of Red, not Diana Panton's version.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 7 Aug 2016, 08:41 pm
I came across a similar thing with 2 of my albums by different artists having the same album name, Godsmack and Dream Theater's Awake albums, apparently it's a known issue. The only solution is to modify the name of one of the albums. Very annoying and hopefully gets fixed.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 7 Aug 2016, 10:13 pm
Off topic i know but i have been pulling my hair out trying to find info on how to get album art to work on MPaD any direction would be appreciated. I try a variety of file names with no luck. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 8 Aug 2016, 12:30 am
I came across a similar thing with 2 of my albums by different artists having the same album name, Godsmack and Dream Theater's Awake albums, apparently it's a known issue. The only solution is to modify the name of one of the albums. Very annoying and hopefully gets fixed.

I did that with my collection of albums called "Greatest Hits", but I'm done renaming/re-tagging my files to accommodate Manic Moose.

I'm mostly using Soundirok on my iPad, which has none of these issues and even lets me view my PDF booklets, among a few other things I like.

I mostly just report these issues when I use Manic Moose as a courtesy to Bryston.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 8 Aug 2016, 12:42 am
I did that with my collection of albums called "Greatest Hits", but I'm done renaming/re-tagging my files to accommodate Manic Moose.

I'm mostly using Soundirok on my iPad, which has none of these issues and even lets me view my PDF booklets, among a few other things I like.

I mostly just report these issues when I use Manic Moose as a courtesy to Bryston.

I was able to get mm to recognize everything but MPaD is another matter thanks for the Soundirok tip I presume it doesn't effect the sound quality?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 8 Aug 2016, 04:53 am
I was able to get mm to recognize everything but MPaD is another matter thanks for the Soundirok tip I presume it doesn't effect the sound quality?

No. It's just another front-end client app for MPD, similar to MPaD and MPDroid.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 10 Aug 2016, 05:58 am

I just added Diana Panton's "Red" to my library. Artist View is showing the correct songs under Diana Panton, but with Taylor Swift's "Red" as the album cover.

I know I've reported this issue before, with examples of albums called "Greatest Hits" all using the first located album art for an album called Greatest Hits for ALL albums with the same title.

...clicking on the PLAY button in Artist View incorrectly enqueues Taylor Swift's version of Red, not Diana Panton's version.

FYI...

With the new BETA build, the Artist View is still displaying the wrong album cover (as reported above); however, it DOES enqueue the correct album for playback.

I cleared my browser cache, reset the Bryston DB and manually removed all of the bdp_front_*.jpg files before rebuilding the database.

S2.29 2016-08-09
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 12 Aug 2016, 12:37 pm
FYI ... latest BETA build made the album issue worse. I now have lots of missing album art in the Artist View, even after wiping all bdp_front_* files and resetting the Bryston DB.

It seems to be back to the issue I previously reported of albums with any special chars are no longer generating a cover for Artist View.

S2.29 2016-08-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Aug 2016, 03:04 pm
FYI ... latest BETA build made the album issue worse. I now have lots of missing album art in the Artist View, even after wiping all bdp_front_* files and resetting the Bryston DB.

It seems to be back to the issue I previously reported of albums with any special chars are no longer generating a cover for Artist View.

S2.29 2016-08-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010

This really isn't very useful, realistically the BDP needs to be in service mode and email me the service id.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 15 Aug 2016, 02:58 am
This really isn't very useful, realistically the BDP needs to be in service mode and email me the service id.

Cheers,
Chris

I PM'd you a service ID, on Friday, but I'm going to revert to the last stable release and just "enjoy the music". I won't spend any more time checking for beta releases and reporting issues.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Aug 2016, 09:07 am
I won't spend any more time checking for beta releases and reporting issues.

Thanks.
Hi Ken,


Too bad, we're gonna miss your thorough reports.
Hope you won't be able to keep this promise ;-|


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Aug 2016, 10:36 am
Yes - Hi Ken

You have added valuable feedback and I truly appreciated your efforts.  Although I understand sometimes you just want to enjoy and forget about assessing.

Thanks for your help so far. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 25 Aug 2016, 05:16 pm
Thanks, James & Marius... yes, I couldn't resist  8)

Chris,

Updated to latest beta build:

S2.29 2016-08-24
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010

You are very close to the goal line on the album art issues.

I wiped all converted images and rebuilt the Bryston DB. I have album art as thumb nails and artists view (i.e. 250 and 44 versions), with one exception: any album that is split into multiple discs does not show the thumb image for the follow-on discs (e.g. AlbumName [Disc 2] or AlbumName [Disc 3]).

See attached screenshot for clarification:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149075)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 25 Aug 2016, 06:52 pm
UPDATE: I've noticed that adding new music and updating normally recreates a lot of missing album art. If I SSH into the device and manually remove all of the converted thumbnails, then reset the Bryston DB and let it rebuild... I then see all of the artwork (except for the issue noted above).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Aug 2016, 02:14 pm
Hey Ken,

Do you have each cd in its own folder or both cds in one folder?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 27 Aug 2016, 03:02 pm
I'd have to guess he has them in the same folder. I have a number of multi-disc albums and when I rip them I do so to separate folders and the art is always picked up appropriately for each disc. How would the above screenshot be possible if the 2 albums were in the same folder? Wouldn't there just be a single item in Artist view or would you just simply modify the tag data to be different between the 2 discs so that they retain the slightly different album names as seen above?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 29 Aug 2016, 12:26 am
Hey Ken,

Do you have each cd in its own folder or both cds in one folder?

One folder. Only the ALBUM tag differs. Recall that I did this specifically to work around the issue of the DISCNUMBER and DISCTOTAL tags being ignored when queuing albums for playback in Default View (i.e. intermixing discs by TRACK).

Thanks, Ken.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 10 Sep 2016, 04:54 pm
The latest beta FW, broke Tidal, for me. I am able to access the main Tidal page in the MM interface, but no matter which menu option I select, it returns me to the Dashboard page.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 23 Sep 2016, 02:17 pm
Latest BETA firmware... cannot update or run Factory Reset to a stable, released version.

S2.29 2016-09-20
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

See the attached images: regardless of whether I run a normal Update Firmware or add the #beta to the end of the URL, I get nothing in the display area. I've rebooted a few times and even ran the System / Reset To Factory function, but I am still on the BETA release and cannot see any update information.

Also, the main page always displays "BDP has no internet connection" even though the network connection to the BDP is fine (I can access the Web UI and play music via MPD) and I have a working Internet connection.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150798)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150799)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 23 Sep 2016, 02:25 pm
Chris,

I've placed the BDP-1 into service mode (Service ID: 38) if you want to look at it.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Sep 2016, 02:27 pm
same here on beta S2.29 2016-09-15

probably a Bryston server outage again?

Latest BETA firmware... cannot update or run Factory Reset to a stable, released version.

S2.29 2016-09-20
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

See the attached images: regardless of whether I run a normal Update Firmware or add the #beta to the end of the URL, I get nothing in the display area. I've rebooted a few times and even ran the System / Reset To Factory function, but I am still on the BETA release and cannot see any update information.

Also, the main page always displays "BDP has no internet connection" even though the network connection to the BDP is fine (I can access the Web UI and play music via MPD) and I have a working Internet connection.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150798)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150799)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 23 Sep 2016, 02:53 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150800)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Sep 2016, 03:04 pm
same here on beta S2.29 2016-09-15

probably a Bryston server outage again?

Hi

Nope - something to do with DropBox

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: docder on 23 Sep 2016, 03:14 pm
I noted the same problem when checking updates from S2.29 2016-09-12 a day or two ago.

docder
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Jhayman on 23 Sep 2016, 04:57 pm
I have the same issue as well, BDP has no internet connection, but I'm able to access all my music and Bradio too, but no firmware showing up..?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Sep 2016, 07:02 pm
BDP-1, BDP-1USB and BDP-2 should be able to check for firmware again
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Jhayman on 23 Sep 2016, 11:32 pm

Thanks for the ability to check for firmware again, but my window still says BDP has no internet connection, lol

BDP-1, BDP-1USB and BDP-2 should be able to check for firmware again
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Sep 2016, 02:14 pm
BDP-Pi's should be back online as well now, any one who installed the S2.27 2016-09-20 testing build may need to be into contact with us to get the firmware to update past it.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 24 Sep 2016, 03:19 pm
BDP-Pi's should be back online as well now, any one who installed the S2.27 2016-09-20 testing build may need to be into contact with us to get the firmware to update past it.

Cheers
Chris

Is that comment only for the BDP-Pi or ALL BDPs?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Sep 2016, 04:13 pm
Is that comment only for the BDP-Pi or ALL BDPs?

That revision only exists on the BDP-Pi
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 26 Sep 2016, 11:01 pm
That revision only exists on the BDP-Pi

Uh ... that's not correct because I have a bdp-1 that has the 9-20 build on it and it seems to be stuck on that build too. When i try to check for beta updates, it uncharacteristically IMMEDIATELY returns with the 9-20 build  as being available. Usually it takes lomger to check for a new build. I repeat that my bdp-1 is already running the 9-20 build.

Richard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Sep 2016, 11:22 am
HI Chris,


http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware still unavailable? Site won't react at all..


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Sep 2016, 12:39 pm
Uh ... that's not correct because I have a bdp-1 that has the 9-20 build on it and it seems to be stuck on that build too. When i try to check for beta updates, it uncharacteristically IMMEDIATELY returns with the 9-20 build  as being available. Usually it takes lomger to check for a new build. I repeat that my bdp-1 is already running the 9-20 build.

Richard

The x86 build of manic moose (used by BDP-1's, 1USB's and 2's) the current testing release is S2.29 2016 09 20 not S2.27 2016 09 20 (formerly the latest arm build and defective), so no the same firmware does not exist for both. S2.29 2016 09 20 is still the latest testing release of the x86 platform.  When Dropbox disabled our public links (due to abnormal bandwidth usage) we moved those files (including the firmware) to a new service provider (ovh VPS) and yes one of the side effects is a much quicker load time.  The S2.29 2016 09 20 firmware appears to be working just fine, I just downgraded a BDP-2 to the latest stable release without incident.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Sep 2016, 12:40 pm
HI Chris,


http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware still unavailable? Site won't react at all..


Cheers,
Marius

I'll look into it
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 27 Sep 2016, 10:54 pm
The x86 build of manic moose (used by BDP-1's, 1USB's and 2's) the current testing release is S2.29 2016 09 20 not S2.27 2016 09 20 (formerly the latest arm build and defective), so no the same firmware does not exist for both. S2.29 2016 09 20 is still the latest testing release of the x86 platform.  When Dropbox disabled our public links (due to abnormal bandwidth usage) we moved those files (including the firmware) to a new service provider (ovh VPS) and yes one of the side effects is a much quicker load time.  The S2.29 2016 09 20 firmware appears to be working just fine, I just downgraded a BDP-2 to the latest stable release without incident.

Cheers,
Chris

Apologies somehow I completely missed that you were talking about two differnt builds from the same day. You are correct.
Wow it is really going to be that fast to check for new beta builds? It is instantaneous on my machine!

Richard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 28 Sep 2016, 03:49 am
...

Wow it is really going to be that fast to check for new beta builds? It is instantaneous on my machine!


Thought the same thing... as in, there must be something wrong  :D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 28 Sep 2016, 09:52 am
I'll look into it


Any luck? still dead here...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 29 Sep 2016, 03:44 am
Is "tv mode" a work in progress ?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Sep 2016, 02:30 pm
Is "tv mode" a work in progress ?

it's been replaced, the next stable release will have it replaced with a new feature
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 2 Oct 2016, 08:59 pm
UPDATE: I've noticed that adding new music and updating normally recreates a lot of missing album art. If I SSH into the device and manually remove all of the converted thumbnails, then reset the Bryston DB and let it rebuild... I then see all of the artwork (except for the issue noted above).

OK, I've separated my multi-disc albums into separate folders, so:

Album
  01-01
  01-02
  ...

Album [Disc 2]
  02-01
  02-02
  ...

And my album art issue seems to be resolved; I have cover art in all of the multi-disc albums with Manic Moose.

However, the problem quoted above is still there: I need to manually wipe all of the bdp_front_*.jpg, et al. files and then Update/rebuild to get 100% album art. If I just add some new music to my collection, restart and click Update, it updates, etc., but I am missing a LOT of artist thumbnails in Artist View. In other words, the bdp_front_44 files; the larger bdp_front_250 files still work and they are all present when you click on a particular artist.

Finally, when I check manually (i.e. SSH), both sets of thumbnail images are present on the filesystem.

For what it's worth, I've even cleared my browser cache, but nothing works except to wipe the thumbnail images and rebuild.

S2.29 2016-09-20
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.12 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 2 Oct 2016, 11:10 pm
So the file format is

\album\01-01 Song title
\album\01-02 Song title
\album\02-01 Song title
\album\02-02 Song title

etc
?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 3 Oct 2016, 01:26 pm
So the file format is

\album\01-01 Song title
\album\01-02 Song title
\album\02-01 Song title
\album\02-02 Song title

etc
?

No, it's as posted:

Album
  01-01
  01-02
  ...

Album [Disc 2]
  02-01
  02-02
  ...

With disc 2 in a separate folder named: "Album [Disc 2]". With every other media player I use, I can put them in the same folder, but Manic Moose seems to need them in separate folders; otherwise, no album art in Artist View with the second disc.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 3 Oct 2016, 11:06 pm
Ok, thanks. Sorry, without the back slashes, I wasn't entirely sure if c/r's and indenting were for readability or to define file structure.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Spyman on 4 Oct 2016, 08:59 pm
Hi, Chris. I hope you can clear something up for me. I have a BDP-1 and I got a message in the dashboard saying new firmware is available. I hit the update button and it says the version to download is S2.28 2016-06-28. But that's the version that's already running! Is this some kind of mistake? What should I do?

Terry
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Oct 2016, 10:45 pm
Hi, Chris. I hope you can clear something up for me. I have a BDP-1 and I got a message in the dashboard saying new firmware is available. I hit the update button and it says the version to download is S2.28 2016-06-28. But that's the version that's already running! Is this some kind of mistake? What should I do?

Terry

We had an interruption in one of our services a little while ago and it seems to have screwed somethings up still.  The essential services like doing firmware updates have been restored however We have some things to work out with the BDP-Pi firmware before revisting issues with the firmware availability and offline messages.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Spyman on 5 Oct 2016, 02:45 pm
Thank you for the explanation. At least now I know it's not my BPD that's acting up.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Holger BDP2 on 8 Oct 2016, 10:46 am
Hello everybody,
I´m a new member, my name is Holger and i live in Germany. I bought a used Bryston BDP-2 from a Danish guy and i have to say, that it sounds absolutely amazing!!!
I stream from a Synology NAS into a Devialet 200. The BDP was running software version 2.26 when I bought it and everything worked fine. Yesterday I updated to 2.30 (is this already an official release? my dashboard never shows "update available", I updated from "Settings" - "Update-firmware"). Everythings works again except one minor problem.
Some of the small thumbnails disappeared in the artist view (e.g. Angus & Julia Stone or Bonnie "Prince" Billy). I figured out that this happens if the artists name contains one of these special signs: & " `

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=151621)

The same happens, if the name of the artist´s first album in the row contains on of these signs (e.g. Cassandra Wilson):

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=151622)

Is there a solution for this problem (beside retagging) or can this be solved with the next update?
Thanks to everybody for helping!!!
Greetings from Germany
Holger
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Oct 2016, 11:13 am
Hi Holger - Welcome :thumb:

Thank you for your kind comments. 

Chris will answer your question regarding the tagging but I want to comment on your statement regarding the sound of the BDP-2.   I probably get an email a week from customers that have used some other digital player and are surprised at how great the BDP-2 sounds.  Its difficult to get this across because many people think 'bits and bits'.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Holger BDP2 on 8 Oct 2016, 12:21 pm
Hi James,
thanks for your reply!
I was surprised, how much the BDP-2 is a "PC" when i first got in touch with it, but this fact also offers more possibilities. Once installed the sound is outstanding, compared to others streaming units i have owned. Unfortunately there is no distributor in Germany (he is located in Austria), only few shops offer Bryston and there are only few reviews of Bryston products in german hifi magazines. It is difficult in Germany to listen to Bryston streamers and compare them with other brands, otherwise people would be easily convinced that "bits are not bits". This post is a little bit off topic, sorry!
Holger
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 15 Oct 2016, 07:41 pm

...

Everythings works again except one minor problem.
Some of the small thumbnails disappeared in the artist view (e.g. Angus & Julia Stone or Bonnie "Prince" Billy). I figured out that this happens if the artists name contains one of these special signs: & " `

...

The same happens, if the name of the artist´s first album in the row contains on of these signs (e.g. Cassandra Wilson):

...

Is there a solution for this problem (beside retagging) or can this be solved with the next update?

I am having a similar issue, where I am missing a large number of the smaller Artists thumbnail images. Very frustrating, as this was all working prior to the last batch of BETA and latest official release.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152007)


From what I can observe, all of the larger album images are present; it's just the smaller ones that are missing. I don't see any correlation between special characters and missing album art, unlike what Holger is observing with his collection. I have also noticed that completely removing all generated thumbnail images and re-building makes no difference, unlike what I saw with an earlier BETA release.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Holger BDP2 on 18 Oct 2016, 07:49 pm
Hi Ken,
in the meantime i found that it isn´t a problem of tags containing & " ´, but the problem occurs when the folders name contains one of these signs.
I stream from a NAS, having a folder for every artist that contains a folder for every album of the artist. So i changed the folders name e.g. from "Angus & Julia Stone" to "Angus and Julia Stone". This solved the problem for my collection. All small thumbnails are back. I did not have to change the tags.
Take a look at your data path, whether there are "special signs".
Hope this helps,
Holger
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 19 Oct 2016, 10:16 pm
Hi Ken,
in the meantime i found that it isn´t a problem of tags containing & " ´, but the problem occurs when the folders name contains one of these signs.
I stream from a NAS, having a folder for every artist that contains a folder for every album of the artist. So i changed the folders name e.g. from "Angus & Julia Stone" to "Angus and Julia Stone". This solved the problem for my collection. All small thumbnails are back. I did not have to change the tags.
Take a look at your data path, whether there are "special signs".
Hope this helps,
Holger

I reported this issue some time ago, but I am not going to rename all of my folders to remove all ampersands, single-quotes and bracket characters - that would be a lot of renaming. I have adjusted XLD to replace these characters with hyphens or underscore characters in filenames, but I have many cases in the leading path.

Instead, I will trust that Bryston will recognize the value in escaping special characters in their own code and just fix the problem  :D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on 20 Oct 2016, 12:08 am
"escaping special characters" is not as simple as it sounds.
In unix based systems special characters have very special meanings.
The unix originators hated to type,  especially on their telex dot matrix machines.
Initially it's a very cryptic operating system until you understand the power .

& = runs program in background..
. = current working directory or matches any single character in a search.
\ = ignore the special function of the next character. ie. escape

The only perfectly safe characters in the BDP world are [a:z][A:Z][0:9] and underscore.
Even space has implications relative to tab.

Debugging a remote clients database with escaped characters  would be a nightmare.
Shawn
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 20 Oct 2016, 03:19 am
"escaping special characters" is not as simple as it sounds.
In unix based systems special characters have very special meanings.
The unix originators hated to type,  especially on their telex dot matrix machines.
Initially it's a very cryptic operating system until you understand the power .

& = runs program in background..
. = current working directory or matches any single character in a search.
\ = ignore the special function of the next character. ie. escape

The only perfectly safe characters in the BDP world are [a:z][A:Z][0:9] and underscore.
Even space has implications relative to tab.

Debugging a remote clients database with escaped characters  would be a nightmare.
Shawn

Sorry... actually, it is. I've been a software engineer my entire career and this isn't rocket science. Especially given that the BDP is a captive system, where they control everything running on the box. No other media player and/or media serving software I've used has these issues: Roon, iTunes, MinimServer, JRiver, Twonky, Volumio, and it goes on and on.

Sorry, but telling me that I have to remove an ampersand from the folder name in a leading path to a collection of files is kiddywampus.

Shoot, even MPD on the BDP, ignoring Manic Moose's user experience and using MPaD or Soundirok, has no difficulty parsing my entire collection.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 22 Oct 2016, 09:40 pm
I am having a similar issue, where I am missing a large number of the smaller Artists thumbnail images. Very frustrating, as this was all working prior to the last batch of BETA and latest official release.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152007)


From what I can observe, all of the larger album images are present; it's just the smaller ones that are missing. I don't see any correlation between special characters and missing album art, unlike what Holger is observing with his collection. I have also noticed that completely removing all generated thumbnail images and re-building makes no difference, unlike what I saw with an earlier BETA release.

I just updated to the latest official release and am experiencing the same thing, a lot of my small Artist view thumbnails are missing. All of the large thumbnails are there and the missing thumbnails aren't related to special characters.

Is there an ETA on this bug fix introduced with the latest build?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 22 Oct 2016, 09:47 pm
maybe this is the place for this post

Im transferring all of my cd's to AIFF as we speak to a portable drive.  I have checked that all of the albums have thumbnails attached to them in iTunes if they didn't i just added "artwork". when I plug this portable drive into the Pi and pull up Mpod on my iPhone will the artwork be there as thumbnails?  Im reading you have to attach jpg in another folder?  thats beyond my comprehension if it is
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Oct 2016, 01:28 pm
HI Chris,


Since the support page [size=78%]Bryston | Firmware (http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware)[/size] isn't online any more, is there any other place we can check for new firmware, without  switching on the BDP? I always loved the support page being independent from the actual BDP and stil be able to check for news.


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 23 Oct 2016, 11:47 pm
Be interested as well, Marius.

David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Oct 2016, 03:50 pm
HI Chris,


Since the support page [size=78%]Bryston | Firmware (http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware)[/size] isn't online any more, is there any other place we can check for new firmware, without  switching on the BDP? I always loved the support page being independent from the actual BDP and stil be able to check for news.


Cheers,
Marius

The site is back up, the new servers Apache configuration was cap sensitive
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 24 Oct 2016, 05:20 pm
The site is back up, the new servers Apache configuration was cap sensitive


Cool! And they're much faster!
Thx,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 24 Oct 2016, 05:41 pm
Feature request: it would be really great in the Manic Moose TIDAL interface to be able to sort by "Date Added", as well as by Artist or Album title, similar to how the native TIDAL app works.

I like to use TIDAL to sample new music and tend to start with what I added last to my list. If I like something, I buy the CD or download it and then remove it from the TIDAL list. With hundreds of selections in my "Albums" list, all sorted by default by Album title, it's hard to see what I've recently added.

Food for thought... Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 27 Oct 2016, 10:57 pm
I just updated to the latest official release and am experiencing the same thing, a lot of my small Artist view thumbnails are missing. All of the large thumbnails are there and the missing thumbnails aren't related to special characters.

Is there an ETA on this bug fix introduced with the latest build?

Any update on the fix to this?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 1 Nov 2016, 08:20 pm
Feature Request:

ReplayGain is super helpful when using shuffle play and/or playlists that mix albums to provide a consistent, relative volume without lowering sound quality.

MPD supports ReplayGain during playback. I've noticed the setting in the mpd.conf file on the BDP. It would be really cool if a simple On/Off switch could be added in the MPD settings on Manic Moose to enable/disable that function.

Apologies is this is already there and I just missed the setting.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 10 Nov 2016, 03:51 am
BETA
S2.31 2016-11-09
Bryston DB
Fixed the albumartist bug
Fixed missing artist cover art issue

Verified. Nice work.

I don't know what the first issue is, but as of now I am not seeing any metadata or album art issues with my FLAC/MP3/AAC library.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 10 Nov 2016, 11:23 am
Thanks

I was going to post last evening asking about progress of the fix to the bug introduced with the last stable build but forgot.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Nov 2016, 12:14 pm
HI Chris,


- updating the last 2 or 3 iterations of the beta firmware, the BDP's (1 and 2 in the house t the moment) had MPD been disabled, and/or the BDP's needed to do a full rebuild of the library. Is this expected behavior from now on after each upgrade? (hope not...) Or is some undiscovered new setting implemented to cause this maybe?


- The BDP2 (which i have pointed to 2 nas shares right now) is having difficulties adding the library to the Bryston DB and is stuck since the latest update yesterday evening at 5%.. All audio files are in place and playable. Should i rebuild or reset? BDP1 has no issue here, since i disabled the DB.


- could you please help identifying the cause of the empty audio devices page? 1 or 2 , makes no difference, maybe a browser security setting other than AdBlockPlus?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=153261)

- the BDP2 is faster starting up than the BDP1, but is it correct it is very much slower in powering down (which was awkward since i always take out power centrally of the audio-group to save the environment...... and did so before the BDP2 was powered down.)




Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Nov 2016, 02:29 am

- updating the last 2 or 3 iterations of the beta firmware, the BDP's (1 and 2 in the house t the moment) had MPD been disabled, and/or the BDP's needed to do a full rebuild of the library. Is this expected behavior from now on after each upgrade? (hope not...) Or is some undiscovered new setting implemented to cause this maybe?


- The BDP2 (which i have pointed to 2 nas shares right now) is having difficulties adding the library to the Bryston DB and is stuck since the latest update yesterday evening at 5%.. All audio files are in place and playable. Should i rebuild or reset? BDP1 has no issue here, since i disabled the DB.


- could you please help identifying the cause of the empty audio devices page? 1 or 2 , makes no difference, maybe a browser security setting other than AdBlockPlus?

- the BDP2 is faster starting up than the BDP1, but is it correct it is very much slower in powering down (which was awkward since i always take out power centrally of the audio-group to save the environment...... and did so before the BDP2 was powered down.)


The bdp's should startup after a firmware update similar to when you turn it on normally, i'm not sure what could be going on.  The only exception was with the Bryston db change from S2.30 (I think), but the bdp should have just simply rebuilt the database.  You could backup your playlists and perform a factory reset to see if it's an old setting causing the issue.

We did make some changes to the SQLite commands to fix some of the previous issue, we will need the unit to be in service mode to indentify if this is the problem.

Sorry we don't test plugins, just way to many combinations.  You could check the browsers console for error messages or even the network requests and the Apache web log.  Do you have dac attached to either unit?

We added a delay to the bdp-2's shutdown routine so that we could perform shutdown tasks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Nov 2016, 06:39 am
Hi Chris,


You're in a turbo at the moment updating the beta firmware versions....  :thumb:


Experiencing some major advances, looking very good, adding some nice functionality and cosmetic improvements. Maybe i like the album art on the dashboard best ;) long time wish!


Please have a look on mobile (iPhone here), since clicking the new settings wheel icon is followed by a window popup, covering the rest of the screen to interact with, and only a restart of the app gave back some useful screen estate.


changing between the versions of the dashboard is a bit of a hassle at the moment, would it be possible to add a button to switch between the 2?


Cheers!
Marius




enable the version 2 dashboard issue the below command in terminal prompt
php -f /bin/chgsettings.php system dashboard 2
To revert back to the original use this command
php -f /bin/chgsettings.php system dashboard 1
Alternativly using a web browser use the following two url's
http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=2 (http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=2)
http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=1 (http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=1)


btw audio devices are back!

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=153909) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=153910) 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Nov 2016, 01:13 pm
Please have a look on mobile (iPhone here), since clicking the new settings wheel icon is followed by a window popup, covering the rest of the screen to interact with, and only a restart of the app gave back some useful screen estate.


changing between the versions of the dashboard is a bit of a hassle at the moment, would it be possible to add a button to switch between the 2?

We are aware that the new view is quite useless on the mobile side, we still arn't quite sure how we are going to tackle the mobile view yet.

The dashboard v2 is still incredibly early in development for the scope of the project, at this point it's essentially research into optimizing the bryston db relative to the BDP-2 hardware and performing the task of presenting your music by album.

Our goal when we are done is to have all the features found in media player in the new dashboard, media player will remain as we do have customers that like to browse by the file structure of there library. 

We have discussed where and how to integrate that setting, but until we are much closer to a final product we will likely keep the feature hidden from mainstream users.

What you see now could be vastly different from the end product.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 24 Nov 2016, 06:34 pm

The dashboard v2 is still incredibly early in development for the scope of the project, at this point it's essentially research into optimizing the bryston db relative to the BDP-2 hardware and performing the task of presenting your music by album.


Good stuff. Can we assume that the new software will work on the BDP-1 / BDP-Pi, but maybe won't work as fast or with the same number of albums?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Nov 2016, 02:08 am
Good stuff. Can we assume that the new software will work on the BDP-1 / BDP-Pi, but maybe won't work as fast or with the same number of albums?

Thanks to the pi's quad core CPU and gigabyte of system memory I'm not expecting much of an issue other then it won't be able to handle organizing as large of a database as the BDP-2.  To avoid wearing out the system storage and to avoid bottle necks we organize the database in system memory and then save it to the system storage.

These are simply guesses based on my library of 30,000 song database, others using the feature might be able to shed more light.

BDP-2: likely atleast 100,000 songs
BDP-Pi: 50,000 songs
BDP-1/1USB: 20,000 songs

I believe Marius has been using it on his BDP-2 and he has a pretty sizeable library, not sure if he's throwing everything at it though.

I hope to have the current dashboard v2 ported to the Pi's firmware tomorrow.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 25 Nov 2016, 09:18 am
HI Chris,


never thought of this before  :duh:  but would it be possible to have a power-off button in MM? maybe next to the System - Reboot and Reset buttons? Plenty of room.
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154020)
Power-switching seems to be the only function of the hardware buttons we don't have in the software yet?
My Marantz Na7004 even has a power-on function that would be cool too...


cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Nov 2016, 04:17 pm
HI Chris,


never thought of this before  :duh:  but would it be possible to have a power-off button in MM? maybe next to the System - Reboot and Reset buttons? Plenty of room.
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154020)
Power-switching seems to be the only function of the hardware buttons we don't have in the software yet?
My Marantz Na7004 even has a power-on function that would be cool too...


cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

I don't believe there's any way of telling the power supply micro to shutoff from within the linux firmware

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 19 Dec 2016, 03:56 pm
I've been playing around with the V2 Dashboard. Looks pretty nice and seems to work well in its latest iteration:

S2.31 2016-12-17
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.19 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

The only issue I've run into is special characters in the artist or album title as displayed in the pop-up:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155165)

Artist is: Hélène Grimaud (correctly displayed everywhere else in the app).

Nice work!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 19 Dec 2016, 04:52 pm
Grimaud can be excellent when she's not pampering her wolves....

Try her Emperor Concerto. Staatskapelle Dresden.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmarinsr on 20 Dec 2016, 12:26 am
In my setup, Tidal is not working with the latest MM beta (2016-12-17). This issue started with 2016-12-16. Am I the only one with this issue?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 20 Dec 2016, 03:23 am
Grimaud can be excellent when she's not pampering her wolves....

Try her Emperor Concerto. Staatskapelle Dresden.  :thumb:

I have that disc and it's excellent!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 20 Dec 2016, 03:19 pm
I've been playing around with the V2 Dashboard. Looks pretty nice and seems to work well in its latest iteration:

S2.31 2016-12-17
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.19 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

The only issue I've run into is special characters in the artist or album title as displayed in the pop-up:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155165)

Artist is: Hélène Grimaud (correctly displayed everywhere else in the app).

Nice work!

You probably know this but when you navigate away from the Dashboard v2 (to, say, the Media Player) and come back, the sorting options revert to the default settings (by Artist, I believe).

I really like the option to sort by the newest albums added to the collection, by the way.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 21 Dec 2016, 04:02 am
I've been playing around with the V2 Dashboard. Looks pretty nice and seems to work well in its latest iteration:

S2.31 2016-12-17
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.19 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

The only issue I've run into is special characters in the artist or album title as displayed in the pop-up:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155165)

Artist is: Hélène Grimaud (correctly displayed everywhere else in the app).

Nice work!

How did you get that build I added the #beta and didn't get that version.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Dec 2016, 03:47 pm
How did you get that build I added the #beta and didn't get that version.

You'll want to re-read the readme file

Code: [Select]
to enable the version 2 dashboard issue the below command in terminal prompt
php -f /bin/chgsettings.php system dashboard 2
To revert back to the original use this command
php -f /bin/chgsettings.php system dashboard 1
Alternativly using a web browser use the following two url's
http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=2
http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=1
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 22 Dec 2016, 05:19 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155254)
 
I managed to get the V2 operational but some albums don't show all of the songs and the art is distorted as it used to be on my ipad that attached is from my pc.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 22 Dec 2016, 05:43 pm

I managed to get the V2 operational but some albums don't show all of the songs and the art is distorted as it used to be on my ipad that attached is from my pc.

you may want to try changing the artist tag setting found in media player settings page (the gear in media payer), then rebuild the database.  I'm not sure what you by distorted but you could try rebuilding the cover art using Library Doctor

http://bryston-bdp-2.local/libraryDoctor.php

use "Check Drives and Shares" followed by "remove", found at the bottom

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 22 Dec 2016, 07:18 pm
you may want to try changing the artist tag setting found in media player settings page (the gear in media payer), then rebuild the database.  I'm not sure what you by distorted but you could try rebuilding the cover art using Library Doctor

http://bryston-bdp-2.local/libraryDoctor.php

use "Check Drives and Shares" followed by "remove", found at the bottom

Cheers,
Chris

Hi Chris no luck with the library DR but i couldn't find the artist tag setting you refer to also the distortion i refer to i had in another app see the attached the cover art gets "black splotches" especially on white colors i thought it was my ipad memory but it appears to be a problem with mm maybe the image size?  Still not showing all of the songs on only some albums see the attached.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155273)

 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 22 Dec 2016, 08:32 pm
the setting is the very first one listed, its a drop down menu that allows you to chose between using the artist and albumartist tag.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 22 Dec 2016, 10:30 pm
the setting is the very first one listed, its a drop down menu that allows you to chose between using the artist and albumartist tag.

Cheers,
Chris

Got it didn't realize I had to go to the old dashboard but that cleaned it up nicely and alll song are there now.  i reallly like it just needs more sorting options for me the path option is nice.
Update: still having trouble with multiple artist albums only showing first song

Cheers X
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Dec 2016, 01:20 am
Got it didn't realize I had to go to the old dashboard but that cleaned it up nicely and alll song are there now.  i reallly like it just needs more sorting options for me the path option is nice.
Update: still having trouble with multiple artist albums only showing first song

Cheers X

After running the library doctor were your cover art images missing?  You may also need to clear your browsers cache.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 23 Dec 2016, 02:17 am
After running the library doctor were your cover art images missing?  You may also need to clear your browsers cache.

The cover art looks good now just the missing songs with multiple artist albums.  I guess i will have to adjust my meta data on these albums.   
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 24 Dec 2016, 07:57 pm
I fixed most of my one song album problems by make all of the songs have the same artist which isn't  ideal but on DSD albums my perfect tunes program from DB power amp will doesn't let me edit so no luck.  I guess what is needed is a album view to avoid this problem. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: EJS73 on 2 Jan 2017, 11:10 pm
It's been a while since I last checked here - has there been any follow-up on enabling wifi on the BDP-2? It's a feature I would really like to see, not to stream music (as all my music is on local drives) but to use the web-interface without the additional clutter of an ethernet cable.

Cheers,
Erik
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jan 2017, 01:11 am
It's been a while since I last checked here - has there been any follow-up on enabling wifi on the BDP-2? It's a feature I would really like to see, not to stream music (as all my music is on local drives) but to use the web-interface without the additional clutter of an ethernet cable.

Cheers,
Erik

Hi Erik

No plans yet as we find it adds too much noise to the BDP.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 8 Jan 2017, 06:52 pm
I'm really digging the latest beta version I've been using it over the Soundirik at present because it loads quicker.  I just thought I would try to explain my last text regarding one of my DSD albums namely PROPRIUS RECORDS AUDIOPHILE BEST I downloaded from prostudio masters.  MM one shows the first song on the album due to there being more than one artist and I would edit the file as I have with others but it will not allow editing the tagging. So I go to Soundirik for these kind of files.  Again the beta MM is really nice just needs some tweaking IMHO

Cheers X
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 9 Jan 2017, 02:06 am
On the beta version I notice that when selecting a song it cues the same selection twice in the play list. I'm starting to think there maybe something funky with my player.  Chris any ideas?

X
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jan 2017, 12:35 pm
On the beta version I notice that when selecting a song it cues the same selection twice in the play list. I'm starting to think there maybe something funky with my player.  Chris any ideas?

X

Hi X

If you mean 01 07 all is ok on my setup

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 9 Jan 2017, 01:58 pm
Mine works fine with 01-07 as well
David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 9 Jan 2017, 02:47 pm
the S2.31 2016-12-17 version sorry
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Jan 2017, 03:10 pm
You shouldn't say latest, a version value is always recommended.  Are you double clicking the add button?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 9 Jan 2017, 03:13 pm
again sorry Chris i don't believe i am double clicking i am using a ipad mini
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Jan 2017, 08:58 pm
HI Chris,


with the recent beta releases, my BDP1 shows this on startup:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156285)


(red files not displayed here but they are there, screen estate was to small or the capture)


going back to the root after browsing some folders gives the  layout we had before:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156286)


No type, date etc anymore.


Is this expected behavior ?


Cheers,
Marius


 


 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Jan 2017, 09:51 pm
HI Chris,


with the recent beta releases, my BDP1 shows this on startup:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156285)


(red files not displayed here but they are there, screen estate was to small or the capture)


going back to the root after browsing some folders gives the  layout we had before:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156286)


No type, date etc anymore.


Is this expected behavior ?


Cheers,
Marius

Did the Bryston DB get turned off?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Jan 2017, 10:09 pm
Did the Bryston DB get turned off?

Yes, always off.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Jan 2017, 11:10 pm
Those options should only appear if bryston db is enabled as it require the bryston db to function
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 14 Jan 2017, 03:09 am
Hey Chris running S2.31 2016-12-17 I have a large DSD file with 76 tracks.   DB doesn't show all of the tracks and the order is incorrect.  When I access it from the media player it's ok.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 14 Jan 2017, 07:11 pm
Switching services on BDP-1.

Using the drop-down on the lower-left side of the Dashboard, when I switch from MPD to Roon Ready, it always selects Shairport-Sync, instead.

When I attempt the selection for Roon Ready a second time, it shows "Check <icon> Services" and I have to manually set it to Roon.

Since I frequently switch between MPD and Roon playback, this is annoying and it happens this way every time.

S2.31 2017-01-13
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.19 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Jan 2017, 08:15 pm
Those options should only appear if bryston db is enabled as it require the bryston db to function

Maybe MM could check on first run if DB is enabled.
As it is now, it seems MM notices the DB is disabled only after a first act of browsing.

Cheers
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 16 Jan 2017, 08:39 pm
In media player notice that on some albums the order is incorrect but when the entire album is played it plays in the correct order.

S2.31 2017-01-14
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.19 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-48


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156435)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Barry in Calgary on 30 Jan 2017, 05:01 am
Hi

Wondering if the Tidal (Beta) application as seen in MM is actually Beta or if the Tidal Application has been released and just the name has not been changed.

Thanks
Barry in Calgary
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jan 2017, 12:11 pm
Hi

Wondering if the Tidal (Beta) application as seen in MM is actually Beta or if the Tidal Application has been released and just the name has not been changed.

Thanks
Barry in Calgary

Hi Barry

Its is Beta because we have not sent BDP to Tidal to be granted official status.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Barry in Calgary on 30 Jan 2017, 04:23 pm
Thanks James

Would you know if BDP-2 users are happy with how the current Tidal application is working?

I'm guessing that it's not a critical application (i.e. no rush to get official status) that there may not be a lot of Tidal on BDP-2 users.
I'd like to enable it and would like to ensure it works as advertised.

Now please don't read these two messages as significant criticism.  I am absolutely "gobsmacked" by the quality of the sound coming out of the BDP-2 using MPD.

I thought my MacBook Pro + Intona Isolator + VBus2 isolator + Uptone Regen (LPS-1) was great until I used the BDP-2, there is no comparison (in my opinion, in my system).
The BDP-2 is producing the best sound I have ever obtained in my system, especially when used with the Intona/VBUS2/Regen.

I'm very sure (confirmed by listening comparisons) I would need to spend more than 3 times, probably 4 times, what the BDP-2 sells for, to slightly improve on sound quality.

My Best
Barry
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jan 2017, 04:33 pm
Thanks James

Would you know if BDP-2 users are happy with how the current Tidal application is working?

I'm guessing that it's not a critical application (i.e. no rush to get official status) that there may not be a lot of Tidal on BDP-2 users.
I'd like to enable it and would like to ensure it works as advertised.

Now please don't read these two messages as significant criticism.  I am absolutely "gobsmacked" by the quality of the sound coming out of the BDP-2 using MPD.

I thought my MacBook Pro + Intona Isolator + VBus2 isolator + Uptone Regen (LPS-1) was great until I used the BDP-2, there is no comparison (in my opinion, in my system).
The BDP-2 is producing the best sound I have ever obtained in my system, especially when used with the Intona/VBUS2/Regen.

I'm very sure (confirmed by listening comparisons) I would need to spend more than 3 times, probably 4 times, what the BDP-2 sells for, to slightly improve on sound quality.

My Best
Barry

Hi Barry

You can try Tidal with no harm done so give it a go.  I still do not think streamed music comes close to the direct file though.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Anonamemouse on 1 Feb 2017, 10:43 am
Hi Barry

You can try Tidal with no harm done so give it a go.  I still do not think streamed music comes close to the direct file though.

james
I cannot agree more...
Also you never know what the source is. Why listen to brickwalled music when the original file sounds infinitely better?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 18 Feb 2017, 05:04 pm
BDP-2   2.28 2016-06-28

  Just signed up for Tidal.  Looking at "Applications" Tidal is shown as Beta.  Is this an issue?  Do I have to set up "DLNA Client" in Services to make Tidal work?

  Thanks. Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Feb 2017, 05:26 pm
BDP-2   2.28 2016-06-28

  Just signed up for Tidal.  Looking at "Applications" Tidal is shown as Beta.  Is this an issue?  Do I have to set up "DLNA Client" in Services to make Tidal work?

  Thanks. Rich

Hi Rich

Beta works fine - it just we have to send them a BDP to be officially recognized.

i would recommend downloading the latest MM software though (S2.32 2017-02-13) - works a lot better.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Barry in Calgary on 19 Feb 2017, 11:39 pm
Hi James

This is a harmless suggestion/comment, it is in no way meant to criticize Bryston as it really is none of my business (it's yours).

I wonder if it might be an idea to send a BDP2 to Tidal for certification.  The last poster was concerned about the Beta status as was I. It just feels like something was half done.
In addition, Tidal might just be a little more interesting for your BDP2 users now with this MQA software decoding option.  I know the software "unfolding" is only available on the Tidal App itself right now, but in the future the APIs might be made available to applications on players like the BDP2.

I would never download an MQA file instead of the equivalent high rez version (why bother, it wont sound better than the original), but streaming music in MQA format I don't already own is an interesting possibility.

My Regards
Barry
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2017, 12:30 am
Hi James

This is a harmless suggestion/comment, it is in no way meant to criticize Bryston as it really is none of my business (it's yours).

I wonder if it might be an idea to send a BDP2 to Tidal for certification.  The last poster was concerned about the Beta status as was I. It just feels like something was half done.
In addition, Tidal might just be a little more interesting for your BDP2 users now with this MQA software decoding option.  I know the software "unfolding" is only available on the Tidal App itself right now, but in the future the APIs might be made available to applications on players like the BDP2.

I would never download an MQA file instead of the equivalent high rez version (why bother, it wont sound better than the original), but streaming music in MQA format I don't already own is an interesting possibility.

My Regards
Barry

Hi Barry

We did send them one months ago but no feedback so far.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 20 Feb 2017, 02:19 am
James:
 Thanks for the update heads up.  It's weird though...I was never prompted for an update.  Figured you guys were working on something else.

   Thanks. Rich
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: MoPac on 23 Feb 2017, 04:39 pm
BDP-2   S2.32 2017-02-13   Chrome   Have Tidal account with several Favorites
Using MPD 0.19.21

Anyone:
 Attempted Tidal on the BDP-2.  Was able to sign in but no Albums, Playlists, Artists or Tracks show.  What am I doing wrong?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=158265)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 24 Feb 2017, 02:04 am
BDP-2   S2.32 2017-02-13   Chrome   Have Tidal account with several Favorites
Using MPD 0.19.21

Anyone:
 Attempted Tidal on the BDP-2.  Was able to sign in but no Albums, Playlists, Artists or Tracks show.  What am I doing

Im not sure, if you place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id I can login and check
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 25 Feb 2017, 04:05 pm
I just powered up my BDP-2 and noticed that the update firmware icon was blue which I believe indicates an update is available. So I click on it and the firmware screen opens and loading appears but no text in the main section. After a few seconds the loading goes away but the body remains blank. I powered the unit off and on and tried again but the same things happens. So I clicked the update button but no text pops into the forms body and the front panel never shows anything to indicate something's happening. Any idea what might be going on? I'm using my iPad and have tried both Chrome and Safari.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Feb 2017, 04:58 pm
I just powered up my BDP-2 and noticed that the update firmware icon was blue which I believe indicates an update is available. So I click on it and the firmware screen opens and loading appears but no text in the main section. After a few seconds the loading goes away but the body remains blank. I powered the unit off and on and tried again but the same things happens. So I clicked the update button but no text pops into the forms body and the front panel never shows anything to indicate something's happening. Any idea what might be going on? I'm using my iPad and have tried both Chrome and Safari.

Which version of the firmware is currently installed?  It can be found on the system page
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 25 Feb 2017, 05:20 pm
I have an internal SSD drive installed and I'm finding the download speed to be a max of 11MB/s when transferring from my desk top and about half that when transferring from an external ssd plugged into the BDP 2 is this normal or do i have a setting screwed up somewhere?
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Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Feb 2017, 05:27 pm
I just powered up my BDP-2 and noticed that the update firmware icon was blue which I believe indicates an update is available. So I click on it and the firmware screen opens and loading appears but no text in the main section. After a few seconds the loading goes away but the body remains blank. I powered the unit off and on and tried again but the same things happens. So I clicked the update button but no text pops into the forms body and the front panel never shows anything to indicate something's happening. Any idea what might be going on? I'm using my iPad and have tried both Chrome and Safari.

Hi Rod

I am seeing the same. Maybe the server is down?

James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 25 Feb 2017, 05:37 pm
Hi Rod

I am seeing the same. Maybe the server is down?

James

I get the same thing must be the server
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 25 Feb 2017, 06:19 pm
Which version of the firmware is currently installed?  It can be found on the system page

Hi Chris, I'm away from the unit at the moment but I think it was 2.32 (or 2.31) and the date was 02/01/2017 however I see a few posts above there is one for 02/13/2017 so it must be a version behind I guess.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 25 Feb 2017, 06:20 pm
Thanks everyone for also giving it a try. At least it's not just me so once the server is back up all should be fine.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 26 Feb 2017, 04:02 am
I have an internal SSD drive installed and I'm finding the download speed to be a max of 11MB/s when transferring from my desk top and about half that when transferring from an external ssd plugged into the BDP 2 is this normal or do i have a setting screwed up somewhere?
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Is there anybody out there? :lol:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Feb 2017, 11:00 am
Is there anybody out there? :lol:

I will forward to Chris for you.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 26 Feb 2017, 05:34 pm
I will forward to Chris for you.

james

Cheers James
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Feb 2017, 07:52 pm
Is there anybody out there? :lol:
It likely due to a bottle neck on your network if its around 11MB/s its likely something is limit to around 100Mb/s between your computer and BDP.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: plurn on 26 Feb 2017, 11:33 pm
I have an internal SSD drive installed and I'm finding the download speed to be a max of 11MB/s when transferring from my desk top and about half that when transferring from an external ssd plugged into the BDP 2 is this normal or do i have a setting screwed up somewhere?
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It likely due to a bottle neck on your network if its around 11MB/s its likely something is limit to around 100Mb/s between your computer and BDP.

  • Network Switch
  • Wireless Adapter/Bridge
  • Long Network Cable in a Spool

To XMAN,

Strange that it is even slower transferring from an attached ssd. Is the external drive connected via USB2 or esata?

USB2 should be capable of up to about 50 megabytes per second though around 25 megabytes per second is typical. esata is faster.

Ah - I am not sure how you are transferring between the external drive and the internal (if that is what you are doing when you mention the external drive). If you are using a separate computer to do the transfer, mounting both disks on the BDP2 as shared network drives, then maybe the files are going via the external drive, over the network to your computer, and then back over the network to your internal drive. I am not sure if it works like that, but that could explain why it is half the speed of transferring from your computer to the internal drive of the BDP2.

So as unincognito says it is likely networking that is limiting things. If you use gigabit everywhere (gigabit switch, cat5e or cat6 or better ethernet cables, and gigabit network card on your computer (rather than wireless)) you should be able to get more than 11 megabytes per second transfers. If you are using 100 megabits per second devices or cables (cat5), then your speed is limited to around 10.5 megabytes per second or less.

- - -

A side note - that you can probably ignore. One other thing that can drastically reduce writing speed to SSD drives is if they are not partitioned as 4k aligned. This is less of a problem now as most modern operating systems partition drives as 4k aligned now so it is unlikely that this is a problem in your case. Though if you already have full gigabit networking then this could be worth looking into.

Anthony

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 27 Feb 2017, 01:54 am
It likely due to a bottle neck on your network if its around 11MB/s its likely something is limit to around 100Mb/s between your computer and BDP.

  • Network Switch
  • Wireless Adapter/Bridge
  • Long Network Cable in a Spool

Thanks Chris i will have to investigate further

Cheers X
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 27 Feb 2017, 02:02 am
To XMAN,

Strange that it is even slower transferring from an attached ssd. Is the external drive connected via USB2 or esata?

USB2 should be capable of up to about 50 megabytes per second though around 25 megabytes per second is typical. esata is faster.

Ah - I am not sure how you are transferring between the external drive and the internal (if that is what you are doing when you mention the external drive). If you are using a separate computer to do the transfer, mounting both disks on the BDP2 as shared network drives, then maybe the files are going via the external drive, over the network to your computer, and then back over the network to your internal drive. I am not sure if it works like that, but that could explain why it is half the speed of transferring from your computer to the internal drive of the BDP2.

So as unincognito says it is likely networking that is limiting things. If you use gigabit everywhere (gigabit switch, cat5e or cat6 or better ethernet cables, and gigabit network card on your computer (rather than wireless)) you should be able to get more than 11 megabytes per second transfers. If you are using 100 megabits per second devices or cables (cat5), then your speed is limited to around 10.5 megabytes per second or less.

- - -

A side note - that you can probably ignore. One other thing that can drastically reduce writing speed to SSD drives is if they are not partitioned as 4k aligned. This is less of a problem now as most modern operating systems partition drives as 4k aligned now so it is unlikely that this is a problem in your case. Though if you already have full gigabit networking then this could be worth looking into.

Anthony

i have the external SSD drive in a usb 3 case attached to the BDP and controlling it though my desk top via a cat 6a cable.  I thought the data would transfer locally ie at the BDP but i was thinking exactly what you think it's being moved though my desk top then back to the BDP it would be nice to know how to confirm this.  I will pack up my desktop and move it closer and see if that helps as i don't have a laptop.  My cat 6a cable is a bit long so that may be it.  Thanks

Cheers X
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: plurn on 28 Feb 2017, 08:48 am
i have the external SSD drive in a usb 3 case attached to the BDP and controlling it though my desk top via a cat 6a cable.  I thought the data would transfer locally ie at the BDP but i was thinking exactly what you think it's being moved though my desk top then back to the BDP it would be nice to know how to confirm this.  I will pack up my desktop and move it closer and see if that helps as i don't have a laptop.  My cat 6a cable is a bit long so that may be it.  Thanks

Cheers X

From memory, cat6a should be fine for 1 gigabit speeds for any length up to 100 meters (about 328 feet). Depending on what sort of computer you have you might be able to determine the connection speed it has negotiated by looking at the network properties on your computer. It may tell you if you are connecting at gigabit speed (1000baseT) or 100 megabit speed (100BASE-T).

Anthony
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Mar 2017, 07:50 pm
HI Chris,


Kept forgetting this, so forgive me if this has been around for a while:
Clicking Dashboard takes us to the dashboard, and for a short while shows the big buttons at the bottom of the main window, only a few seconds later to take them out of view. Showing nothing....
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160005)


I can reload them by clicking the cog-wheel top right.  (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160006)


Is this expected behavior? can i change that, this seems a bit unnecessary. Maybe it has to do with MM being adaptive and on a mobile device it might be handy to save screen estate. On a desktop, i just like to have these buttons in plain view.


There's a new Dashboard button bottom right, but it only shows while on Dashboard, that is a bit superfluous or what am i missing here? :scratch:


Chers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Mar 2017, 01:16 pm
HI Chris,


Kept forgetting this, so forgive me if this has been around for a while:
Clicking Dashboard takes us to the dashboard, and for a short while shows the big buttons at the bottom of the main window, only a few seconds later to take them out of view. Showing nothing....


I can reload them by clicking the cog-wheel top right.

Is this expected behavior? can i change that, this seems a bit unnecessary. Maybe it has to do with MM being adaptive and on a mobile device it might be handy to save screen estate. On a desktop, i just like to have these buttons in plain view.


There's a new Dashboard button bottom right, but it only shows while on Dashboard, that is a bit superfluous or what am i missing here? :scratch:


Chers,
Marius

Looks like you have dashboard v2 active on a BDP with Bryston DB either turned off or missing a database.  This feature is still in development and can only be turned on or off using the below urls.

http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=2
http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=1

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Mar 2017, 03:56 pm
Looks like you have dashboard v2 active on a BDP with Bryston DB either turned off or missing a database.  This feature is still in development and can only be turned on or off using the below urls.

http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=2 (http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=2)
http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=1 (http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=1)

Cheers,
Chris


Thats correct Chris, I've turned off the Bryston DB since on the BDP1 it never finished indexing, and consequently didn't show its glory to full potential.


Ill turn back to dashboard 1 again. What should be the main difference between the two? do you have any screenshots of what i'm missing out on ..?


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Mar 2017, 03:59 pm
Thanks that did it!


while we're at the Bryston Db topic: whats exactly would the Artist View v2 do?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160050)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 5 May 2017, 09:18 pm
Hi Chris,


Please what was this again?
User space was in a read only state??


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=161863)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 May 2017, 10:33 pm
Hi Chris,


Please what was this again?
User space was in a read only state??


Cheers,
Marius

User space is the partition on the BDP's internal flash that contains user settings, older versions of the user space use fat32 and are more prone to issues and this is one of them.  Resetting global settings will update the userspace to use the ext filesystem, however you'll likley want to backup your setting before doing this.  You can backup your settings by copying the files found in the network share 'user'.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pundamilia on 7 May 2017, 03:40 am
A question for Chris?

I don't think that I correctly understand how the Info editor in MM saves changes made. After I make a change and click the SAVE button, sometimes (but not always) a little dialog bar pops up saying that "Sorting music into Bryston DB xx%". Does this mean that once I save a change, I do not have to click on the Update button? The percentage counter moves quickly on my BDP-2 until it gets to 98 or 99% where it often hangs for several minutes. Also, some of the values that I have SAVEd (e.g. Artist or Album) appear as a dropdown in the appropriate field the next time I make a change, but many do not. What governs what appears in the dropdown menus? Do I have to do a full DB Update when I start the BDP-2 to ensure that all the changed values get updated in the DB?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pundamilia on 7 May 2017, 03:43 am
Supplementary question:

Is there any difference between the UPDATE button in the upper left-hand corner of the Media Player page and the UPDATE function in the Dashboard under Disk Information?

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 May 2017, 07:54 am
User space is the partition on the BDP's internal flash that contains user settings, older versions of the user space use fat32 and are more prone to issues and this is one of them.  Resetting global settings will update the userspace to use the ext filesystem, however you'll likley want to backup your setting before doing this.  You can backup your settings by copying the files found in the network share 'user'.

Cheers,
Chris


Is that done by resetting to factory settings?


Is there a way to tell whether the userspace is already in ext, or still in fat32?


btw, Bryston have advised to format usb drives in fat23 before, should we be reformatting the usb drives to ext now also? (hope not...)


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 May 2017, 08:57 pm

Is that done by resetting to factory settings?


Is there a way to tell whether the userspace is already in ext, or still in fat32?


btw, Bryston have advised to format usb drives in fat23 before, should we be reformatting the usb drives to ext now also? (hope not...)


Cheers,
Marius

yes, the factory reset or reset global settings will update the user space to use ext.  you can check the file system in disk information, it should be the second partition on the internal storage (third item from the top).  I wouldn't worry about your usb thumbs drives, we simply switched to ext as a bug that prevented us using fat32 was resolved years ago and we just recently got around to updating the firmware to use it for the "user space".  The advantage is it makes for a more robust system for implementing some of the last few software features for the Manic Moose firmware.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 May 2017, 08:59 pm
Supplementary question:

Is there any difference between the UPDATE button in the upper left-hand corner of the Media Player page and the UPDATE function in the Dashboard under Disk Information?

Thanks again.

The update button in disk information allows you to tell the BDP to just scan a single drive for changes in your music library rather then all the drivers (assuming you have more then one drive connected).

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 May 2017, 09:00 pm
A question for Chris?

I don't think that I correctly understand how the Info editor in MM saves changes made. After I make a change and click the SAVE button, sometimes (but not always) a little dialog bar pops up saying that "Sorting music into Bryston DB xx%". Does this mean that once I save a change, I do not have to click on the Update button? The percentage counter moves quickly on my BDP-2 until it gets to 98 or 99% where it often hangs for several minutes. Also, some of the values that I have SAVEd (e.g. Artist or Album) appear as a dropdown in the appropriate field the next time I make a change, but many do not. What governs what appears in the dropdown menus? Do I have to do a full DB Update when I start the BDP-2 to ensure that all the changed values get updated in the DB?

Thanks in advance.

Bryston DB needs to be updated to contain the new values, if its not rebuilding you can trigger a rebuild under media player settings.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 17 May 2017, 12:34 am
Hi:
Recently I seem to be having trouble with special characters in the paths in my playlists. Any special characters like Honky Château, Déjà Vu, ... don't read properly and don't show up in the play list in Manic moose. They display in weird ways in Soundirok as well.

I didn't have this issue in the past and I don't think that I saved them any differently when editing them in Wordpad either. ANSI is how I save them (or plain text). Anyone else having this issue? If so, am I somehow saving them wrong and need to try something else? I tried Unicode but that went awry and didn't show properly either.

Any help would be appreciated. I am using the may 10 version but I saw this in a few of the previous versions as well.

Richard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 2 Jun 2017, 07:39 pm
I managed to "fix" my playlists by reselecting the songs using SoundiRok. When the new titles were added, the special characters were handled properly by manic moose.

It still begs the question: "Why can't I directly edit the playlists using notepad or wordpad or something like that, which I used to be able to do? Is it because of the change to the ext file system for the User Space?"
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 2 Jun 2017, 10:03 pm
Hi
I can edit a playlist Ok using Wordpad
Most recent Beta version S2.33 2017-05-26
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Jun 2017, 07:58 pm
Hi Chris

Seems you've been up to a lot of changes in the latest firmware.
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163317)

Having all this artist info locally and not on some remote Roon Server dB is an aspect of security and privacy i really appreciate.
I can't see it in my Bdp 1, haven't got artist view because my Bryston DB is not enabled. But based on this description I believe Bryston took a bit of the Plex interface and functionality. Which i really think is the way to go, so thank you for this!
It makes it almost impossible to resist upgrading to the BDP 3 soon...

Would you be able to post some screens of the functionality mentioned here?

Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 3 Jun 2017, 10:57 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163324)

This is what I see right now, a work in progress but I like where Chris is going.
David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Jun 2017, 01:31 am
Hi Chris

Seems you've been up to a lot of changes in the latest firmware.

I can't see it in my Bdp 1, haven't got artist view because my Bryston DB is not enabled. But based on this description I believe Bryston took a bit of the Plex interface and functionality. Which i really think is the way to go, so thank you for this!
It makes it almost impossible to resist upgrading to the BDP 3 soon...

Would you be able to post some screens of the functionality mentioned here?

Cheers,
Marius

As much as I don't want to kill a bdp-3 sale, I intend to bring some of these features to the default view and the new still under construction dashboard v2.  I don't intend to get to creative about it on the default view, but at least some things will get  included.  Working on identifying similar artists to a selected artist and finding and making use of album booklets should be featured in the next update.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Jun 2017, 01:52 am

This is what I see right now, a work in progress but I like where Chris is going.
David

Next release will see

-the ability to choose the image of the artist and blurred background
-change the identified artist in case the incorrect artist was selected
-identify missing albums, singles or ep's
-album booklets, local and from musicbrainz
-identifying similar artists in your database
-open external links (twitter, wiki's and homeoages) within the gui
-artist descriptions will expand when clicked/touched
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 4 Jun 2017, 04:58 am
Next release will see

-the ability to choose the image of the artist and blurred background
-change the identified artist in case the incorrect artist was selected
-identify missing albums, singles or ep's
-album booklets, local and from musicbrainz
-identifying similar artists in your database
-open external links (twitter, wiki's and homeoages) within the gui
-artist descriptions will expand when clicked/touched
Good job Chris MM is looking better and better the addition of Booklet view will be very nice.  I was using Soundirok but i think my ipad is to sucky with all of the updates that were done so MM is now my go to, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Jun 2017, 10:27 am
As much as I don't want to kill a bdp-3 sale, I intend to bring some of these features to the default view and the new still under construction dashboard v2.  I don't intend to get to creative about it on the default view, but at least some things will get  included.  Working on identifying similar artists to a selected artist and finding and making use of album booklets should be featured in the next update.

Cheers
Chris


Cool Chris,
wasn't implying postponing a bdp3 sale, on the contrary.
But if you would be able so squeeze some of this new functionality into default view, upgrading the bdp1with that, i might be tempted to ..... Would be really magnificent indeed.


Thanks a bunch.


Cheers,
Marius



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Jun 2017, 09:52 pm
Good job Chris MM is looking better and better the addition of Booklet view will be very nice.  I was using Soundirok but i think my ipad is to sucky with all of the updates that were done so MM is now my go to, keep up the good work!

I've added some booklet support in tonight's beta update among a few other additions.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Jun 2017, 07:12 am
I've added some booklet support in tonight's beta update among a few other additions.

Cheers,
Chris


Thx Chris, but i believe you've added these in Artist view, not default view? Otherwise, how could i enable viewing this booklet.pdf for example:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163456)


Meant to ask you a long time, but never came around to... : would it be possible to create several 'favorite's ' in the (default view) browser? As it stands, i have to go deep into the folder structure to find some of my most played folders / music files. I don't want to create them as playlists, because i don't play the same files over and over, but want to start browsing from that nested place in the library. Lets say Root/Klassiek/Klassiek/Renaissance/Ensemble/Tallis Scholars... This requires at least 5 clicks before selecting one of the albums i am looking for. One extra when coming from elsewhere in the library (creating the long-click-Back to the Root upon my request made that possible long time ago). Creating a favorite for Tallis Scholars would facilitate this process enormously .


Of course i could double these folders in the root, but i don't want to as it would create redundancy in the library causing all sorts of other trouble...


Having 5 or so favorites at hand would be a great start  :thumb:


Cheers,
Marius


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Jun 2017, 02:02 pm
Hi Chris,


where can we find the artist menu? It s not the same as artist view is it?  :scratch:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163469)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jun 2017, 02:53 pm
Hi Marius

Click on the Artist View - top right corner in Media Player

james

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163473)


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Jun 2017, 03:04 pm
So it was the artist view. great. :thumb:
 killed most of my library now to enable the BrystonDB and test drive it once more.


Thanks!
Marius


Hi Marius

Click on the Artist View - top right corner in Media Player

james

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163473)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jun 2017, 03:06 pm
So it was the artist view. great. :thumb:
 killed most of my library now to enable the BrystonDB and test drive it once more.


Thanks!
Marius

Good idea to clear the cache as well

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 7 Jun 2017, 04:00 pm
Just curious if are are ever going to get the ability to sort our albums by date (ascending and descending) within the Artist or Album Artist groupings?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Jun 2017, 08:59 pm
Good idea to clear the cache as well

james


No luck just yet... should i see my playlist on the left, or the album art of all albums in the library?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163502)


this is what default view is showing:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163503)


thx,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jun 2017, 09:01 pm
Album Art of all in library - are you using a BDP-2?

james

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163504)



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Jun 2017, 09:06 pm
No a BDP-1.
Ive had it build the Bryston DB and see no progress-message anymore,(saw that before so i know the BDP-1 can do that) so take it to be finished. Is there a way one can test that, whether the Bryston Db has been built 100%?


Marius



Album Art of all in library - are you using a BDP-2?

james

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163504)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jun 2017, 09:48 pm
Hi Marius

That's a Chris question but I know as we add these features more computing power is required.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 Jun 2017, 12:30 am
No a BDP-1.
Ive had it build the Bryston DB and see no progress-message anymore,(saw that before so i know the BDP-1 can do that) so take it to be finished. Is there a way one can test that, whether the Bryston Db has been built 100%?


Marius

If it were the get stuck the message build bryston db would continue to be displayed in the lower right corner until you rebooted the BDP; I guess we could add some system to show when it was last built.  There's also a reset db button in media player settings that forces the BDP to rebuild it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Jun 2017, 06:21 am
If it were the get stuck the message build bryston db would continue to be displayed in the lower right corner until you rebooted the BDP; I guess we could add some system to show when it was last built.  There's also a reset db button in media player settings that forces the BDP to rebuild it.

Indeed the message Build Bryston dB was displayed along with the current percentage. I've let it do its work for a while, and the message is gone;-) no error message on the homepage like before, so I took it for finished successfully.

An extra control system would be helpful indeed.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Larry Dickman on 8 Jun 2017, 06:31 am
Keep this up and I'm dumping roon
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Jun 2017, 06:59 am
If it were the get stuck the message build bryston db would continue to be displayed in the lower right corner until you rebooted the BDP; I guess we could add some system to show when it was last built.  There's also a reset db button in media player settings that forces the BDP to rebuild it.


Ive done a rebuild with these settings:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163540)


Might the covert optimization be necessary for the artist view to show correctly? (I've disabled it because it still creates all the bryston art files in the library). Once MM creates these elsewhere in a dedicated folder, I could enable optimization again. Would you be willing to consider that Chris? A dedicated folder for the bryston art files?


Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Jun 2017, 02:54 pm
Believe I've got it working!
Had to undress a bit further, building the Bryston Db got stuk on 38%, causing a crash.


This is what shows with only the 2 original Bryston thumbs attached.
Proves its working, and still work to do ;-)


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163544)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 9 Jun 2017, 10:28 am
Indeed the message Build Bryston dB was displayed along with the current percentage. I've let it do its work for a while, and the message is gone;-) no error message on the homepage like before, so I took it for finished successfully.

An extra control system would be helpful indeed.

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Chris,
Please consider adding some feedback as to what causes the Bryston DB to crash also...


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163565)

Cheers
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 9 Jun 2017, 09:10 pm
I'm clearly missing some key aspect of enabling this enhanced Artist View. Can someone explain what I need to do in order to see it? I've rebuilt my DB and that didn't work.

And I did load the beta software.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Jun 2017, 12:56 am
I'm clearly missing some key aspect of enabling this enhanced Artist View. Can someone explain what I need to do in order to see it? I've rebuilt my DB and that didn't work.

And I did load the beta software.

Its a feature currently in development only available in the test builds.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 10 Jun 2017, 04:12 pm
So it's actually not part of the latest beta because that's what I have loaded?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Jun 2017, 05:55 pm
Hi Chris,

Where can we find the Favorite setting? I see it in the latest feature list of the (beta) updates, but can't find it in settings .

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Jun 2017, 07:28 pm
Hi Chris,

Where can we find the Favorite setting? I see it in the latest feature list of the (beta) updates, but can't find it in settings .

Cheers Marius

It should be a star to the right of the shuffle button, not visible on handhelds.  When I song is playing the song can be favorited and any artist with a favorited song will show star next to there name in the column on the left.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 10 Jun 2017, 07:32 pm
So it's actually not part of the latest beta because that's what I have loaded?

The user space must also be using the ext filesystem, this can be checked in disk information, if it isn't (still fat32) a factory reset will update it.  The bdp with also need internet access
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 10 Jun 2017, 07:40 pm
It should be a star to the right of the shuffle button, not visible on handhelds.  When I song is playing the song can be favorited and any artist with a favorited song will show star next to there name in the column on the left.

Thanks I was looking on iPhone indeed....

Would you be able to expand this functionality to favoriting folders? That way one can mark a few favorite points in the library ?

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Jun 2017, 06:48 pm
It should be a star to the right of the shuffle button, not visible on handhelds.  When I song is playing the song can be favorited and any artist with a favorited song will show star next to there name in the column on the left.


not working as expected yet i guess.. Ive starred an Ella Fitzgerald album , but don't see any stars in the left column? What am i doing wrong Chris?
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163760)

Extra question: could you have the alphabet for selecting Artists above the left column also (as you display in default view)? It would finding artist that much quicker, especially since there is no selective criterium in the left column anymore.. All recordings are shown, no matter where the reside in the library.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Jun 2017, 07:12 pm

not working as expected yet i guess.. Ive starred an Ella Fitzgerald album , but don't see any stars in the left column? What am i doing wrong Chris?


Extra question: could you have the alphabet for selecting Artists above the left column also (as you display in default view)? It would finding artist that much quicker, especially since there is no selective criterium in the left column anymore.. All recordings are shown, no matter where the reside in the library.


Cheers,
Marius

It could be something else, but currently the star won't show up until after the artist menu on the left is reloaded.

Right now you can use the search feature to find what your looking for, unfortunately its currently cap sensitive and not available on smart phones due to how things get resized.  I'm thinking of placing a search/filter field to always display at the top.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 11 Jun 2017, 08:11 pm
It could be something else, but currently the star won't show up until after the artist menu on the left is reloaded.

Right now you can use the search feature to find what your looking for, unfortunately its currently cap sensitive and not available on smart phones due to how things get resized.  I'm thinking of placing a search/filter field to always display at the top.


I believe it was reloaded, but ill try again.


about the alphabet selector, this is what i meant:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163762)


Could really be helpful in the left column Artist view.


Cheers,
Marius 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 11 Jun 2017, 10:03 pm

I believe it was reloaded, but ill try again.


Just refreshing the browser page would do it, it could be a bug, it was a very last minute thing I added Friday night
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Jun 2017, 08:12 am
HI Chris, all,


Artist view reveals a lot, especially my tags are completely messed up..... :o


Check these:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163796) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163797) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163799)


Ive used MusicBrainz Picard, Sbooth's Tag, and several other tag editors, but none of these reveal the strange titles MM displays in Artist View. Granted the Artist tag at first was wrong (the track numbers where tagged instead of artist) thus the artist view in the left panel displayed artist 01, 02 03 etc etc. Ive corrected that to Ella Fitzgerald..


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163800)
Still, the strange tags are still there, and the tracks are still shown in the left panel as albums. I've rebuilt the DB, refreshed cache etc etc.


Does one need to update the Bryston DB after editing tags? IS there a way to selective updating the DB or should we rebuild it completely, after editing several tags on only one album....


Does MM add several tags of it's own here. Jumeau, Bloom, Undefined???
 
Also, while I've disabled the cover art optimization, MM still adds those BDP art files into the library. Is that expected behavior (related to the Artist view maybe)? I expected it to stop disabling the optimization.


Cheers,
Marius


Found this in the html source view:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163801)  (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163802) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163803)


Seems MM fills these in? Ive also added a deep search into the files themselves and optional tag data but they don't show any sings of jumeau Bloom, etc etc.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Jun 2017, 10:51 am
It should be a star to the right of the shuffle button, not visible on handhelds.  When I song is playing the song can be favorited and any artist with a favorited song will show star next to there name in the column on the left.

A but it is!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163805)


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Jun 2017, 02:29 pm
sorry, i was referring to the favourites button to toggle a song as a favourite not being visible on handhelds.  Yes rebuilding the database is needed after updating tag data.  If tag information isn't found for a file it will attempt to use the files path to figure out the artist, album, track name and track number.  By default i think it uses

/Artist/Album/1. Track Name

This can be changed on the cd backup page, on its settings page.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Jun 2017, 02:54 pm
sorry, i was referring to the favourites button to toggle a song as a favourite not being visible on handhelds.  Yes rebuilding the database is needed after updating tag data.  If tag information isn't found for a file it will attempt to use the files path to figure out the artist, album, track name and track number.  By default i think it uses

/Artist/Album/1. Track Name

This can be changed on the cd backup page, on its settings page.


Thanks Chris.
Could you add/ enable a selective updating per folder? I know we have that for newly added files (showing the + sign in red) but changing tags doesn't show in MM interface just yet. Having a selective update button at hand could work miracles (and not force the user to update the entire database or at least the full Drive for a mere few tags changed.


As for the strange words in the untagged files: Ill have a look at that file path, but am almost certain they do not appear there. Why MM fills these in the relevant tag-positions is somewhat unclear :scratch:

update:
check this:  (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163821)  (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163823)
i've looked at the backup settings, but all fields are clear, so i guess it all works as default? Still, these strange artist names are not in my library. MM must have put it there? Bit scary really.

Anyways,
Thanks,
Marius


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 12 Jun 2017, 08:44 pm
new post because some progress seems to be made (although the strong titels are still to be solved)



It would really be very welcome to be able to update selectively, and , added to, that be able to update the same selective folders in the Artist view DB. As it stands now, we have to do a full update of the DB, and consecutively a full rebuild of the Artist view DB takes place. It might be the BDP1 struggling, i am fully aware, but not having to do a full rebuild might help a lot. Chris, would this be possible at all?


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Jun 2017, 12:36 am
The BDP-2 and 3 are much faster, one of the reasons I'm not to concerned about it, really the only disadvantage I see is initial setup and when new albums/tracks are added.  Benchmarking a 30k library the BDP-1 was 7 minutes, the BDP-2 not quite 3 minutes and a BDP-3 was just under 90 seconds.

We should have another update tomorrow that will see but not limited to

If song is favorited the artist doesn't already have a star next to it, it should show immediately
On the mobile view, when selecting an artist a text box will be present to enter a name (not case sensitive)
The search field on the desktop/tablet view of the artist view will use behave like the above
Band names containing "and" / "or" should return results

Cheers
Chris

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Jun 2017, 07:04 am
The BDP-2 and 3 are much faster, one of the reasons I'm not to concerned about it, really the only disadvantage I see is initial setup and when new albums/tracks are added.  Benchmarking a 30k library the BDP-1 was 7 minutes, the BDP-2 not quite 3 minutes and a BDP-3 was just under 90 seconds.

We should have another update tomorrow that will see but not limited to

If song is favorited the artist doesn't already have a star next to it, it should show immediately
On the mobile view, when selecting an artist a text box will be present to enter a name (not case sensitive)
The search field on the desktop/tablet view of the artist view will use behave like the above
Band names containing "and" / "or" should return results

Cheers
Chris


Please see  that alone as a compelling reason for creating a selective update/add functionality to the BrystonDB. Add the Change Tags-process and there's even more reason .. :( 

Making the BDP1 users happier has to be an added bonus :thumb: .

btw 30K tracks wouldn't need a BDP3 in the first place. It would be very interesting to see some benchmark results of bigger libraries the BDP1-2 can't handle.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Jun 2017, 02:26 pm
btw 30K tracks wouldn't need a BDP3 in the first place.

But we only sell BDP-3's and BDP-Pi's

I'll look into it, but the feature will likely to be very low on the todo list

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Jun 2017, 02:36 pm
But we only sell BDP-3's and BDP-Pi's

I'll look into it, but the feature will likely to be very low on the todo list

Cheers,
Chris


Lol.
I know. You used to sell BDP-1 and 2's though..... I imagine one needs some sort of incentive to upgrade. Library handling might be one of them.


Ive pinned one of the many tag issues in my library down. Apparently MM scans the 00. (HTOA).flac files. They're supposed tp be Hidden (Track One Audio)  ...
I can simply delete them, but maybe you could exclude them from scanning, to let the other software be able to use these files?


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 13 Jun 2017, 04:09 pm

Lol.
I know. You used to sell BDP-1 and 2's though..... I imagine one needs some sort of incentive to upgrade. Library handling might be one of them.


Ive pinned one of the many tag issues in my library down. Apparently MM scans the 00. (HTOA).flac files. They're supposed tp be Hidden (Track One Audio)  ...
I can simply delete them, but maybe you could exclude them from scanning, to let the other software be able to use these files?


Cheers,
Marius

Ignore files that begin with "00."?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Jun 2017, 04:14 pm
Ignore files that begin with "00."?

Actually the file is a (htoa).flac

I do believe it is always numbered 00. (As it was in my case)
as prefix though I am not certain. Please check a bit for yourself, it should be quite standardized.

http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=HTOA
http://cue.tools/wiki/CUETools_Advanced_Settings:_CUETools

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 13 Jun 2017, 04:24 pm
The user space must also be using the ext filesystem, this can be checked in disk information, if it isn't (still fat32) a factory reset will update it.  The bdp with also need internet access

Thanks

So probably a dumb question, how do I verify while in the Disk Information screen and how do I trigger the change? I'm looking at the Disk Information screen right now and have no idea what to do.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Jun 2017, 05:38 pm
Thanks

So probably a dumb question, how do I verify while in the Disk Information screen and how do I trigger the change? I'm looking at the Disk Information screen right now and have no idea what to do.

Hi
Select the User disk on the left

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163872)


And check in the settings below for ext or fat32.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163874)



If not ext, reset to factory settings in the settings/system tab.

Hope this helps,
Cheers
Marius
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163875)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 13 Jun 2017, 06:34 pm
Thanks very much. So what issues might I expect to encounter when a factory reboot is triggered? Will I have to reset the sound card output, NAS, etc.?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 13 Jun 2017, 07:38 pm
Thanks very much. So what issues might I expect to encounter when a factory reboot is triggered? Will I have to reset the sound card output, NAS, etc.?


It all depends on your settings. In my case most editing went into the NAS. Be sure to back up the settings (go in to finder and find the User folder on your BDP and copy that, so you can later copy them back if required. All files can be read by a text editor, though on my mac they are appearing to be exec files..




 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163878)
Cheers,
Marius





Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 14 Jun 2017, 01:07 pm
Thanks for the additional assistance.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 15 Jun 2017, 08:19 am
HI Chris,


please consider this feature request:


it would be extremely welcome to be able to in/exclude drives in the Bryston DB.
I'll explain. My library is organized on several usb drives (mirrored on my NAS as logical drives), per Style. I have one for Pop (and related styles like Dance, etc etc) one for Jazz (and soul, country etc etc) and one for Classical. All flacs. Mp3's on my Nas, configured in MM to be read directly from there.


Here comes: I've discovered the Tagging (which is used for displaying Artist view in MM) is not up to its necessities. Understatement. But after several days , I've managed to get it nearer to something useful. That is to say, Pop and Jazz drives. Classical, as always, is a mess. There is simply no unified database to be found, which has a sufficient and significant enough database to use for tagging ones classical library. Especially where the main tag Artist is concerned. Composer, Orchestra, Soloist, Conductor. All to be found under the tag Artist....


You can imagine the unusable Artistview in MM resulting from this. Ive solved it for the time being by unplugging the drive. But that's not a desired situation for obvious reasons.


returning to my feature request: please let the inclusion of drives in the DB be selective. That way someone with a perfectly tagged library can simply include all drives, and someone like me can only select the correct ones  :oops:


Related: are you considering the reintroduction of Album View by any chance? It would be a welcome addition to be able to view the library lets say on Wagners Ring, instead of the artist performing it. (Conductor, singer, orchestra, which are  also performing many many other pieces.....) I understand this would be of most interest to listeners of classical music (where a piece is performed by several Artists). More so than with Pop eg (where Neil Young's Harvest Moon is to be found many times under the same Artist ;) )  Both views would most certainly have their merits.


Cheers,
Marius









Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 17 Jun 2017, 05:03 pm
So I did the factory re-set and re-added my NAS back in, all of my albums are displaying once again and I confirmed the user space is now ext but I'm still not seeing the enhanced Artist view. I'm running the 6/15 beta firmware and the updated dashboard with all of the albums showing on the dashboard. What additional settings might I not have set in order to see the enhanced Artist view?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jun 2017, 06:25 pm
So I did the factory re-set and re-added my NAS back in, all of my albums are displaying once again and I confirmed the user space is now ext but I'm still not seeing the enhanced Artist view. I'm running the 6/15 beta firmware and the updated dashboard with all of the albums showing on the dashboard. What additional settings might I not have set in order to see the enhanced Artist view?

S2.33 2017 06 15 (technically S2.33 2017 06 13) now requires you to activate the "bryston API", an option found in media player settings (gear icon found in media player)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jun 2017, 06:27 pm
in/exclude drives in the Bryston DB

I'll investigate the difficulty
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 17 Jun 2017, 07:22 pm
S2.33 2017 06 15 (technically S2.33 2017 06 13) now requires you to activate the "bryston API", an option found in media player settings (gear icon found in media player)

That did the trick, thanks  :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 19 Jun 2017, 03:52 pm
I've noticed with the newer/newest? BETA build, Manic Moose now remembers what Artist you were viewing, when flipping back from the Default View to Artist View.

Thanks, Chris, for adding that in - very nice touch!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 19 Jun 2017, 04:04 pm
Quick note on the new Artists View:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164142)

I like where you are going with this new view, but I wanted to point out 2 things:

1. It's identifying the very album I am looking in Albums (3) as a Missing Album. In looking at a number of examples, I recommend trimming everything but the release year when comparing titles to see if something is missing (just a thought). In my examples, the web version contains month/day, in addition to the year, and the albums don't match.

2. There is not a lot of space available for the actual albums, even if I close the lower accordion panels. In other words, it would be ideal if the accordion panels were bottom-justified to allow maximum space available for the Albums panel within a selected artist.

EDIT: also, on 1., consider comparing titles after making both strings lower case and stripping-out any punctuation or anything within brackets or parenthesis - you just want to get to the base title and release year, ignoring any variations made by tagging.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 19 Jun 2017, 04:04 pm
I've noticed with the newer/newest? BETA build, Manic Moose now remembers what Artist you were viewing, when flipping back from the Default View to Artist View.

Thanks, Chris, for adding that in - very nice touch!

Indeed, a cool option, if it were optional ;-) could you make it such Chris?

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Jun 2017, 05:38 am
Cleaning up the interface, nice!
Much needed, elegant solution  :thumb:
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164165)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Jun 2017, 08:24 am
HI Chris,


Would it be possible to have MM ignore video-files and folders? As it stands i have several dvd rips organized under the artist record folder (eg a live cd with accompanying dvd). MM can't read tags on these, but does show them in Artist view, though not correct obviously. Would be cool to be able to ignore these files and folders. .mpg, .avi, mp4, and video_ts folders.


ALso I've had several .wav files wrongly shown without their Artist tag. Couldn't stick the tags in MusicBrainz, worked with XLD, but to no avail. converted them to flac files, and MM still shows the .wav file  :scratch: :scratch:
Anyways, is there a solution for these .wav files?


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 20 Jun 2017, 01:31 pm
Cleaning up the interface, nice!
Much needed, elegant solution  :thumb:
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164165)

Hi Marius i just tried it and thought it would suppress the messages in DB what is it suppressing?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Jun 2017, 01:36 pm
Hi Marius i just tried it and thought it would suppress the messages in DB what is it suppressing?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164186) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164187)


amongst others. Kinda cool, since they tend to be obnoxious sometimes. Still, the info is needed, so i think it's kinda neat Chris put that in the media player settings at the bottom.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Hoiman on 21 Jun 2017, 02:27 pm
Is it possible to save the setting of the volume?

Each time I close the BDP-3 I have to set the volume of the sound.
I have to set the sound to the half, now it's full.
I have to do this because otherwise the sound of the SP2 will be much to loud even in almost the lowest level the sound is to loud.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jun 2017, 10:38 pm
Is it possible to save the setting of the volume?

Each time I close the BDP-3 I have to set the volume of the sound.
I have to set the sound to the half, now it's full.
I have to do this because otherwise the sound of the SP2 will be much to loud even in almost the lowest level the sound is to loud.

That's strange, it should be saving it and then restoring the change upon boot up.  Could you place the BDP into service mode so we can take a look?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Hoiman on 22 Jun 2017, 05:58 am
It's is in service mode. ID=182 (but as we know this can change ;-) ).
But this is funny I just see that the volume is at its latest setting. hmm strange.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 22 Jun 2017, 07:45 am
Hi Chris,


Did you ditch the Clear Cache button? Was found left of the Reset DB button.. :scratch:


Used it every time the DB got reloaded, to make sure new images were displayed. Isn't it necessary anymore?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164281)



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 22 Jun 2017, 09:36 am
HI Chris,


Been experimenting with the Artist view for a bit now. Is it correct only a playing song title is displayed, and no playlists and coverart view  are shown in this view? Having grown accustomed to being able to see whats up next and being able to watch the (all) coverart really makes me miss the playlist of the default view.
Is there a way you (we) can add that to the Artist view please?


clicking a song makes it directly available in the info screen and plays it. Selecting anything else while playing immediately shows the updated playlist message, stops the current song and plays the clicked one. Instead of adding it to a playlist and let me push next. Can we control that behavior in settings please (much like Mpad offers you several options while selecting tracks)?


I've found out that it is saver to update between smaller editing Tags sessions, than to wait for all tag edits and save in 1 big change. Tags more often than not don't stick while doing the latter.
MM is programmed for automatic Bryston DB rebuilds after each update. Which is very nice when doing 1 big session, but not so very cool when eg editing per album, and doing so for a longer period of time, updating (saving the edited tags) frequently. It is very heavy on the BDP (especially my BDP-1....) but also, it is not very clear which updates are taken into account while rebuilding the DB.


therefore i would like to ask if you could make the rebuilding of the Bryston DB after an update up to the enduser. Make Rebuilding automatic or manual by choice.


Check the image: rebuilding and updating at the same time. Are the updated changes to the library taking into account by the DB rebuild or not... Most of the time they are not. Confusing for sure.

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164282)



last touch: in settings one has to Disable the automatic optimization of image files, which is enabled by default. Wouldn't it be better (thats what i believe obviously ..) to change that in a user selectable box for ENabling automatic optimization? I always like it best to be able to choose a positive option, instead of having to select disabling the negative..

Cheers,
Marius


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 22 Jun 2017, 12:10 pm
Hi Chris,


Did you ditch the Clear Cache button? Was found left of the Reset DB button.. :scratch:


Used it every time the DB got reloaded, to make sure new images were displayed. Isn't it necessary anymore?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164281)

If your running S2.34, the bryston API stuff is semi turned off to hide it from those who hadn't used it from the testing releases.  Also it should only show if there is cached data, if nothing is in /mnt/img/bryston.db.data then it won't show.  Otherwise it's a bug

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 22 Jun 2017, 12:59 pm
If your running S2.34, the bryston API stuff is semi turned off to hide it from those who hadn't used it from the testing releases.  Also it should only show if there is cached data, if nothing is in /mnt/img/bryston.db.data then it won't show.  Otherwise it's a bug

Cheers
Chris


strange. Must be a bug then? no option to enable the Bryston Api anymore in Media Player settings..  :scratch:
i'm on S2.34 2017-06-20

Since we're talking caches here: there's also a clear-cache button on the Settings /Music Player Deamon page. Wouldn't it be helpful to change the Cache Button names as to avoid confusion and reflect their respective uses a bit more precise? Of course if they are not referring to the same Cache that is. ;)

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164283)
Cheers,Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 22 Jun 2017, 02:16 pm

strange. Must be a bug then? no option to enable the Bryston Api anymore in Media Player settings..  :scratch:
i'm on S2.34 2017-06-20

Since we're talking caches here: there's also a clear-cache button on the Settings /Music Player Deamon page. Wouldn't it be helpful to change the Cache Button names as to avoid confusion and reflect their respective uses a bit more precise? Of course if they are not referring to the same Cache that is. ;)



that clear /mnt/img/tag_cache, essentially the MPD database file

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Hoiman on 22 Jun 2017, 03:07 pm
Quote
Is it possible to save the setting of the volume?

Each time I close the BDP-3 I have to set the volume of the sound.

Never mind I have tested this a few times since I'm at home and it works. Sorry for the time it has cost you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 22 Jun 2017, 05:51 pm
Don't know what happened (believe to have updated from the latest beta to the latest release, but all DB has gone.... Have to rebuild again.
Bryston APi is still nowhere to be found.
Chris can it be the release version is bugged somehow? Ive tried to reload the beta (which worked fine indeed) through the beta update page, but is still shows no DB and Api.... :scratch: :scratch:  Don't think it loaded over the release version.


Please have a look will you,
Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 22 Jun 2017, 06:30 pm
Don't know what happened (believe to have updated from the latest beta to the latest release, but all DB has gone.... Have to rebuild again.
Bryston APi is still nowhere to be found.
Chris can it be the release version is bugged somehow? Ive tried to reload the beta (which worked fine indeed) through the beta update page, but is still shows no DB and Api.... :scratch: :scratch:  Don't think it loaded over the release version.


Please have a look will you,
Cheers,
Marius

S2.34 has it mostly disabled as its not done yet, I'll release a S2.35 either tonight or tomorrow with it restored.  Otherwise you can revert to the testing release which I have reverted back to most recent S2.33 just now.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 22 Jun 2017, 06:32 pm
S2.34 has it mostly disabled as its not done yet, I'll release a S2.35 either tonight or tomorrow with it restored.  Otherwise you can revert to the testing release which I have reverted back to most recent S2.33 just now.

Cheers,
Chris

 :thumb:
Thanks, i will!

Update : it worked, back on beta, up and running. Thx Chris, eagerly awaiting your further iterations .

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 23 Jun 2017, 04:00 am
Hey Chris i'm sure you know but the booklet feature is no longer working S2.33 2017-06-19.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Jun 2017, 06:59 am
Hey Chris i'm sure you know but the booklet feature is no longer working S2.33 2017-06-19.

Never checked that before...
How does this work? Any file-name specs / location to be followed?
Thx for reminding me;-)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Jun 2017, 12:00 pm
HI ,


Just noticed that since I've enabled Bryston DB and Artist view (and let MM create the bdp_ images in the album- folders) my carefully selected and/or created album art doesn't show anymore. Only the cover.jpg are viewable, all others show a black empty placeholder. (back.jpg, cd.jpg, tracks.jpg etc etc)


Also, previously an image file name was shown in a tooltip when hovering the image. That too doesn't show anymore.


Chris, is this as expected, or are we talking bugs here?


Cheers,
Marius



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 23 Jun 2017, 01:54 pm
Just noticed that since I've enabled Bryston DB and Artist view (and let MM create the bdp_ images in the album- folders) my carefully selected and/or created album art doesn't show anymore. Only the cover.jpg are viewable, all others show a black empty placeholder. (back.jpg, cd.jpg, tracks.jpg etc etc)

...

That's been like that for a long time. I stopped creating back images because they never appear in the MM UI.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Jun 2017, 02:00 pm
That's been like that for a long time. I stopped creating back images because they never appear in the MM UI.

Not in my experience, at least not before using the Bryston DB and Artist view. Had nice track lists and back covers for many albums.

Hope Chris will repair this soon, it is a very nice, not to say necessary feature to have all tracks in view without having to scroll back to the relevant folder .

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 23 Jun 2017, 02:17 pm
Never checked that before...
How does this work? Any file-name specs / location to be followed?
Thx for reminding me;-)

Access is from MP in the artist view,  there are 3 dots to the left of the play arrow and the shuffle hover over the 3 dots and select.  My Booklets are all labeled  "Digital Booklet.jpg" and it worked great with the last beta. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Jun 2017, 03:02 pm
Access is from MP in the artist view,  there are 3 dots to the left of the play arrow and the shuffle hover over the 3 dots and select.  My Booklets are all labeled  "Digital Booklet.jpg" and it worked great with the last beta.


Nice, i see it now. Wont load unfortunately cause it says a plugin in missing.... It isn't though, adobe reader s always up to date, for sure. :scratch: that is to say, im trying to open a .pdf booklet. Jpg's as you use don't show up here.


Cheers
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 23 Jun 2017, 03:23 pm
Chris,


next to the extra bdp_front_44/250.jpg  files, i discovered several bryston_msg_mp_enable.jpg files. What is the purpose of these files, and why are they occurring at several and not all folders?

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164357)

Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 24 Jun 2017, 04:55 pm

Nice, i see it now. Wont load unfortunately cause it says a plugin in missing.... It isn't though, adobe reader s always up to date, for sure. :scratch: that is to say, im trying to open a .pdf booklet. Jpg's as you use don't show up here.


Cheers
Marius

Sorry, yes mine are PDF's
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 24 Jun 2017, 06:19 pm
Sorry, yes mine are PDF's

Mine are PDFs, as well (the booklets).  What I get is this:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164408)


..followed by this:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164409)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 24 Jun 2017, 07:04 pm
question about the new "Missing releases":
Are these missing albums, not yet indexed in the Bryston DB, but present in ones library, or are these albums found on the internet (and if yes, where: MusickBrainz? Amazon)?


If the latter, how come we can click play. Nothing happens in my setup doing so, but even so, i think that shouldn't be n option? (being able to play albums not there..) Or is it supposed to be some kind of Spotify/Tidal service?


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Jun 2017, 05:56 am
The booklets feature was broken from modifying a function that handles the window that displays it, it'll be fixed in the next testing build.  Both PDF's and musicbrainz jpg booklets are both effected.

Missing albums and singles are derived from musicbrainz, however could be in accurate simply because the method of comparing your collection to musicbrainz is super basic and needs refining.  We also haven't implemented anyway automatic way of checking for new data (ie new albums).  The non functional buttons are there simply because its easier to copy existing HTML and we intend to implement those menu's.

Currently we are working on comparing missing albums to Tidals database and enabling preview mode.  If you have a tidal account setup with the bdp, it will play back full tracks in lossless and if you don't have a tidal account, it'll playback the first 30 seconds in 320kps mp3.

I realized a new test build was suppose to have been released Friday, but my work PC blue screened late Friday afternoon and I took it as sign to go home.

Mondays release should see some fixes, as noted before booklets, a couple of other things and some integrated tidal support in media players artist view.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 25 Jun 2017, 04:45 pm
The booklets feature was broken from modifying a function that handles the window that displays it, it'll be fixed in the next testing build.  Both PDF's and musicbrainz jpg booklets are both effected.

Missing albums and singles are derived from musicbrainz, however could be in accurate simply because the method of comparing your collection to musicbrainz is super basic and needs refining.  We also haven't implemented anyway automatic way of checking for new data (ie new albums).  The non functional buttons are there simply because its easier to copy existing HTML and we intend to implement those menu's.

Currently we are working on comparing missing albums to Tidals database and enabling preview mode.  If you have a tidal account setup with the bdp, it will play back full tracks in lossless and if you don't have a tidal account, it'll playback the first 30 seconds in 320kps mp3.

I realized a new test build was suppose to have been released Friday, but my work PC blue screened late Friday afternoon and I took it as sign to go home.

Mondays release should see some fixes, as noted before booklets, a couple of other things and some integrated tidal support in media players artist view.

Cheers
Chris

All really great stuff.

Any chance we can see a fix for the BACK button in the TIDAL screen?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 Jun 2017, 03:35 pm

Missing albums and singles are derived from musicbrainz, however could be in accurate simply because the method of comparing your collection to musicbrainz is super basic and needs refining.  We also haven't implemented anyway automatic way of checking for new data (ie new albums).  The non functional buttons are there simply because its easier to copy existing HTML and we intend to implement those menu's.

Currently we are working on comparing missing albums to Tidals database and enabling preview mode.  If you have a tidal account setup with the bdp, it will play back full tracks in lossless and if you don't have a tidal account, it'll playback the first 30 seconds in 320kps mp3.
Cheers
Chris


Hi Chris,


a notion of another kind: the term Missing Albums/Missing Singles has a connotation of need to collect all of a certain artist.
If at all necessary, wouldn't that only be true for a small number of artists? Wouldn't it be just a bit more relaxed to change that into Other Releases? Clickable as you say for a preview, browsable through the various offered online services.


But essentially no need to complete or feel incompetent or left out because of an incomplete library ;)


Just a thought,
Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 26 Jun 2017, 03:45 pm
The booklets feature was broken from modifying a function that handles the window that displays it, it'll be fixed in the next testing build.  Both PDF's and musicbrainz jpg booklets are both effected.

Cheers
Chris


Hi Chris,


As i understand it, all .pdf files are displayed in the interface. It seems it doesn't really matter how they are called? Booklet, leaflet, folder, Tracks, etc etc, case insensitive, all pdf files are clickable in Artist view below the 3 ... 's.


 I have more than a few booklets, that are scanned into separate .jpg files, stored in a dedicated Booklet folder. Would it in any way be possible to display these too? Of course i could drop all .jpg's in the Album folder but that would mess the library up unwantedly. A separate folder with jpg's is so much tidier.

btw, this is a great feature, also wanted in the Album/default view #fingerscrossed

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gerard on 26 Jun 2017, 08:29 pm
I have a problem using the MM program with Safari (newest iOS 10.3.2) in my Iphone 6 and Ipad. The firmware in my BDP-2 is:
S2.34 2017-06-20
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.18.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

After the initial screen the app is not responding any more. Previously it functions better (although not perfect) with previous MM versions.
Is this version of MM not compatible with Safari? Because MPoD is not updated anymore (my preferred app until now!) I would like to try the MM app.
Help appreciated!
Greetings, Gerard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Jun 2017, 12:57 am
Hi Gerard,

We regularly test the firmware with iPhone, iPad and android; currently havn't had any issues. Has the IP address assigned to your bdp changed?  You can always check my.bryston.com of mybryston.com to see if your BDP and its current address.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Jun 2017, 01:00 am
I've been concentrating on one view (the artist view) as a sort of development environment to avoid changing things in multiple places.  Once the artist view is done or reasonably done I intend to focus on the default view followed by dashboard v2.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 27 Jun 2017, 03:03 pm
I've been concentrating on one view (the artist view) as a sort of development environment to avoid changing things in multiple places.  Once the artist view is done or reasonably done I intend to focus on the default view followed by dashboard v2.

Cheers
Chris


Cool, and you've done well! Pdf's are showing (again) (albeit no auto orientation...) . Very nice and responsive, even on my BDP1 and old macbook pro 17".


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164576) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164577)


Could you make the window-size adjustable and moveable? As it is is is very large and fixed on the screen obscuring all other screen estate?


Thanks Chris,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 28 Jun 2017, 07:16 pm
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Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 29 Jun 2017, 12:16 am
Nice work on the booklets display ... it's perfect, for my taste anyway. Since Marius doesn't like it, I suppose that means it's going to change  :nono:

And, I like the sort-by-year change in the Artist view.

Getting better with each release...

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164639)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 29 Jun 2017, 12:21 am
Of course, I have to ask for *something* after praising the latest BETA iteration.  :thumb:

See the image below; any chance we can see the Playlists in the Default View sorted lexicographically, instead of how the underlying linux filesystem does?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164641)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Jun 2017, 12:33 am

Could you make the window-size adjustable and moveable? As it is is is very large and fixed on the screen obscuring all other screen estate?


Thanks Chris,
Marius

I'll see about making them resizeable, the width anyways.  I've discussed doing a layered multi window view with my colleagues while developing dashboard v2 was in full swing; it was frowned upon.  There was a worry that it would make the interface a bit daunting and possibly intimating, so we now have a one window at a time philosophy.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Jun 2017, 12:36 am

See the image below; any chance we can see the Playlists in the Default View sorted lexicographically, instead of how the underlying linux filesystem does?

To be honest I don't think I have ever noticed this, I don't really use playlists.  I'll.try to remember to correct this.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Jun 2017, 06:13 am
Nice work on the booklets display ... it's perfect, for my taste anyway. Since Marius doesn't like it, I suppose that means it's going to change  :nono:



Hi Ken,


which words exactly did you take for my disliking? Just curious...


Cool, and you've done well! Pdf's are showing (again) (albeit no auto orientation...) . Very nice and responsive, even on my BDP1 and old macbook pro 17".


btw, this is a great feature, also wanted in the Album/default view #fingerscrossed

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Jun 2017, 06:18 am
I'll see about making them resizeable, the width anyways.  I've discussed doing a layered multi window view with my colleagues while developing dashboard v2 was in full swing; it was frowned upon.  There was a worry that it would make the interface a bit daunting and possibly intimating, so we now have a one window at a time philosophy.


Cool Chris, hope you can do it. Would be very nice to be able to move the window around and re-position it on the screen. Never fear the daunting. Since we're in beta, we could always try couldn't we? If it intimidates too much, it's easy enough to revert to the one window philosophy ?


Anyways, thanks!
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 29 Jun 2017, 08:47 am
I bought an ex-dem BDP-1 a few months ago.  To date Bryston DB has been disabled.  I am using it with a network share of approx 1tb music comprised of 5000 "songs" (in reality mainly orchestral classical movements, many in hi res incliding DXD and DSD 5.6).

Will the BDP-1 cope with the DB turned on?  I don't want to trigger something that will require a re-flash, but at the same time would like to get full benefits of MM.   Any recommended options if enabled?  I'm currently on S2.34 2017-06-2

Also in a lay person's  terms what is the "Bryston API" in the testing build and is it BDP-1 compatible?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 29 Jun 2017, 01:32 pm
I bought an ex-dem BDP-1 a few months ago.  To date Bryston DB has been disabled.  I am using it with a network share of approx 1tb music comprised of 5000 "songs" (in reality mainly orchestral classical movements, many in hi res incliding DXD and DSD 5.6).

Will the BDP-1 cope with the DB turned on?  I don't want to trigger something that will require a re-flash, but at the same time would like to get full benefits of MM.   Any recommended options if enabled?  I'm currently on S2.34 2017-06-2

Also in a lay person's  terms what is the "Bryston API" in the testing build and is it BDP-1 compatible?

Thanks.


HI Norton,


No issues with the Bryston Api on the BDP1 here, it seems to be necessary for several of the latest features built into MM beta builds. Also, i wouldn't expect any issues with the 5000 or so tracks. DXD and DSD are a different matter though. Depending on the DAC you're using. Not sure if the BDP1 plays them in the first place, but it wouldn't require any sort of refresh to revert. Just enable Bryston DB and let the BDP1 sort music into the DB. If it works alright, you're set and ready. If it doesn't, just disable the DB again and reset. Done that many times now during testing, and never required anything more than a reboot..


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gerard on 29 Jun 2017, 04:43 pm
Hi Gerard,

We regularly test the firmware with iPhone, iPad and android; currently havn't had any issues. Has the IP address assigned to your bdp changed?  You can always check my.bryston.com of mybryston.com to see if your BDP and its current address.

Cheers
Chris

Thanks Chris.
After checking my system following your suggestions Safari on my iPad and Iphone still do not work. Screen comes up OK but then it does not responds anymore. Is the version of MDP (0.18.21) i use relevant? I only use one USB drive directly on my BDP-2 for my music library and use no NAS for playing or other streaming. Do you have further advise?
Regards, Gerard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 29 Jun 2017, 09:36 pm

HI Norton,


No issues with the Bryston Api on the BDP1 here, it seems to be necessary for several of the latest features built into MM beta builds. Also, i wouldn't expect any issues with the 5000 or so tracks. DXD and DSD are a different matter though. Depending on the DAC you're using. Not sure if the BDP1 plays them in the first place, but it wouldn't require any sort of refresh to revert. Just enable Bryston DB and let the BDP1 sort music into the DB. If it works alright, you're set and ready. If it doesn't, just disable the DB again and reset. Done that many times now during testing, and never required anything more than a reboot..


Cheers,
Marius

Many thanks Marius, DB now enabled and working fine.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Gerard on 1 Jul 2017, 09:53 pm
Thanks Chris.
After checking my system following your suggestions Safari on my iPad and Iphone still do not work. Screen comes up OK but then it does not responds anymore. Is the version of MDP (0.18.21) i use relevant? I only use one USB drive directly on my BDP-2 for my music library and use no NAS for playing or other streaming. Do you have further advise?
Regards, Gerard

Chris, I found the reason for my problem. I was starting in Safari the MM app but ignored the message below that i have to add it to my home screen for a full screen view. After I did this and started the MM app from Home Screen all worked OK!
Thanks!
Regards, Gerard
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Badge on 2 Jul 2017, 06:17 pm
Not sure f this has already been covered, but I am having some issues with my BDP-2 since installing the latest firmware. 
The unit plays FLAC files fine but when I try to play a DSD 64 file or when I stream Tidal, I get hiccups in the playback. The best way I can describe the issue is that it is a brief (1 second or so) pause in the playback and it happens at the start of the track and throughout the track.
I did not have this issue with the previous firmware.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Larry Dickman on 3 Jul 2017, 02:14 am
This is a more general question about Manic Moose. It says Google Chrome browser is recommended. I have ignored this, as I don't particularly like Chrome and use Microsoft Edge instead.  But I was reminded that Tidal HIFI (the $20/month service, which I have) says HIFI will only work with the Chrome browser (if one is using a browser).  The HIFI logo in the lower right of the screen is on when I use Microsoft Edge/Manic Moose/Tidal, suggesting that I am indeed getting HIFI, and it goes out when I play a known MP3 track.

How important is it that I use Google Chrome?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 3 Jul 2017, 10:37 am
Not sure f this has already been covered, but I am having some issues with my BDP-2 since installing the latest firmware. 
The unit plays FLAC files fine but when I try to play a DSD 64 file or when I stream Tidal, I get hiccups in the playback. The best way I can describe the issue is that it is a brief (1 second or so) pause in the playback and it happens at the start of the track and throughout the track.
I did not have this issue with the previous firmware.

I had similar problem with latest f/w- check that your DAC is ticked  as DSD enabled under Audio Devices. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 3 Jul 2017, 10:42 am
Now I have enabled Bryston DB & API on my BDP1, all three of my network shares appear in red at the foot of the "add files" pane.  2 are offline (I first guessed that was why red) but the third is not, playing fine and also appears as normal at top of add files pane.  Anyone knows what the red entries mean?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Jul 2017, 08:50 pm
Now I have enabled Bryston DB & API on my BDP1, all three of my network shares appear in red at the foot of the "add files" pane.  2 are offline (I first guessed that was why red) but the third is not, playing fine and also appears as normal at top of add files pane.  Anyone knows what the red entries mean?  Thanks.


Not to worry, all drives are shown in red even when they're already indexed in the DB. Has something to do with the operating system, and apparently can't be changed, other than deselecting the option in MM- Media Player settings. Which is a pity, because one needs that option enabled to see new recordings/files not yet indexed in the DB....

btw, even when drives are offline (like a switched off NAS) shouldn't make a difference for the MM DB. If you've indexed these files, they're in the DB, and showing in the Media Player. You just won't be able to play them, since they're offline.

To cut it short, red entries in the root shouldn't be seen as not yet indexed (unless it is the very first setup, in which situation they aren't indexed yet for a fact of course )


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 3 Jul 2017, 09:52 pm
Marius, you ever consider becoming a software engineer (for Bryston or others)?
 :beer:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 4 Jul 2017, 06:26 am
Many thanks Marius.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Badge on 4 Jul 2017, 01:38 pm
I had similar problem with latest f/w- check that your DAC is ticked  as DSD enabled under Audio Devices.

Thanks for the tip...it was checked for the BDA-3 but not for the BDP-2 so I checked it, saved and rebooted the BDP-2.
The problem still exists so I will have to contact Bryston.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 12 Jul 2017, 10:46 am
Chris,

Is it possible to add sample rate/resolution to the list of categories for filtering , maybe as sub folders under "Type"? For example, so that the user can browse just 16/44, 24/96, 24/384, DSF64, DFF128 etc etc?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 12 Jul 2017, 05:05 pm
Chris,

Is it possible to add sample rate/resolution to the list of categories for filtering , maybe as sub folders under "Type"? For example, so that the user can browse just 16/44, 24/96, 24/384, DSF64, DFF128 etc etc?

Thanks.

We've considered adding it as an option, but it would slow down building the database greatly
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Airfla on 21 Jul 2017, 05:48 am
I have been trying to assist a computer challenged friend get his BDP-1 up and running with Manic Moose. I have encountered an issue with the Update feature wherein it shows sorting DB up to 42% at which point it hangs and disconnects from the router. A manual reboot repeats the process. This occurs with Update at startup checked under MDP settings. I have since unchecked it and, without manually starting Update, everything appears to be stable. Music files are stored on a NAS.

However, I don't understand why the updates have been hanging and disconnecting from the router, necessitating a manual reboot of the BDP-1 to get back to the MDP interface. While the system works now, addition of new music to the NAS will require the Update feature and the situation will reoccur. Assistance in resolving this problem would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jul 2017, 12:59 pm
I have been trying to assist a computer challenged friend get his BDP-1 up and running with Manic Moose. I have encountered an issue with the Update feature wherein it shows sorting DB up to 42% at which point it hangs and disconnects from the router. A manual reboot repeats the process. This occurs with Update at startup checked under MDP settings. I have since unchecked it and, without manually starting Update, everything appears to be stable. Music files are stored on a NAS.

However, I don't understand why the updates have been hanging and disconnecting from the router, necessitating a manual reboot of the BDP-1 to get back to the MDP interface. While the system works now, addition of new music to the NAS will require the Update feature and the situation will reoccur. Assistance in resolving this problem would be greatly appreciated.

It now completes without issue?  If so it was likely freezing while trying to optimize the cover art a known issue in the BDP-1's due to there limited processing power.  There should be an option to turn this off on the media player settings, however it only needs to do this once per album.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Airfla on 21 Jul 2017, 02:49 pm
No, Update doesn't complete without issue. After turning off "Update at Startup" in MDP Settings and manually rebooting, connection to the router is restored Update doesn't start. As a result the system becomes stable and allows normal operation. That is fine as long as no new music is added to the NAS. The concern is how to add new music to the BDP-1 after adding new music to the NAS.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jul 2017, 04:59 pm
No, Update doesn't complete without issue. After turning off "Update at Startup" in MDP Settings and manually rebooting, connection to the router is restored Update doesn't start. As a result the system becomes stable and allows normal operation. That is fine as long as no new music is added to the NAS. The concern is how to add new music to the BDP-1 after adding new music to the NAS.

please place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 21 Jul 2017, 08:27 pm
No, Update doesn't complete without issue. After turning off "Update at Startup" in MDP Settings and manually rebooting, connection to the router is restored Update doesn't start. As a result the system becomes stable and allows normal operation. That is fine as long as no new music is added to the NAS. The concern is how to add new music to the BDP-1 after adding new music to the NAS.

I used to have this issue with my BDP-1. I setup a thumb drive as a "scratch drive" (see the Drives tab in the main dashboard). Then, the Manic Moose software won't run out of memory while processing the album art, as the thumb drive will host a swap file for the Linux operating system on your BDP-1.

An alternative is to disable album art processing, as Chris mentioned above.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Airfla on 21 Jul 2017, 08:33 pm
Thank you for your reply and suggested solution. I will pass it on to my friend who owns the BDP-1.

Update: Issue Resolved

My friend followed your suggestion and DB sort completed without a problem and Album Art updated as well. Again, thank you from both me and my friend.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 21 Jul 2017, 08:49 pm
HI Chris,


What it the Music Scrapper option in the new MM software?


Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jul 2017, 10:58 pm
HI Chris,


What it the Music Scrapper option in the new MM software?


Marius

its the new name for bryston api
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Airfla on 22 Jul 2017, 03:34 am
I used to have this issue with my BDP-1. I setup a thumb drive as a "scratch drive" (see the Drives tab in the main dashboard). Then, the Manic Moose software won't run out of memory while processing the album art, as the thumb drive will host a swap file for the Linux operating system on your BDP-1.

An alternative is to disable album art processing, as Chris mentioned above.

Update: Issue Resolved

My friend followed your suggestion and DB sort completed without a problem and Album Art updated as well. Again, thank you from both me and my friend.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Hoiman on 22 Jul 2017, 08:20 am
Is it possible that after a search, that you see where the music is comming from? I mean that you can see in which directory it is stored.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 29 Jul 2017, 11:25 pm
We are back to the problem of ordering songs with more than 9 tracks. See attached image:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166160)

S2.35 2017-07-28
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: doveman on 30 Jul 2017, 05:43 am
I have noticed that my BDP-1 is becoming extremely unstable, where I used to be able to leave it on 24/7 without issue, it now won't even go a day without locking up, sometimes within the first hour.

It is currently running S2.32 2017-02-01 Kernal 3.16-0.bpo.2-486.

I've also used the latest version S2.32 2017-06-20 with MPD 0.17.6, 0.18.21, and 0.19.21

It will work fine, then suddenly it will become unresponsive, to the front panel buttons, remote, or web login (but sometimes will still be playing music), and the only thing to do is push the power button, but this is frustrating as sometimes it will boot back up, and sometimes it will only give the dreaded error 09, and it takes a lot of fiddling to try to get it to work again, sometimes this takes hours of turning it off on, trying different compact flash cards, etc.

I'm not sure if it's the latest versions of manic moose causing this issue, or something else, I haven't really changed anything in my setup, same hard drives, etc.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Jul 2017, 09:59 am
adding to the above poster about unstable bdp1: mine won't play at the moment... keeps saying MPD is turned off, while it is not, according to the Settings tab.

I've taken the jitterbug out again, to no avail, nothing will play. The DB is still loaded, i can browse the files, but after adding to a playlist and click play, nothing happens and BDP is stopped.


Remarkable: the red entries that were there for all HDD's are gone, only the front usb is shown  :scratch:
Chris, please help...



im figuring out whether inserting an Audioquest Jitterbug in my setup causes the BDP1 to flaw, or that its the latest firmware update. My ancient Macbook Pro has no issues reading the usb3 drive through the jitterbug.
Anyone with similar issues after updating firmware 7-28? http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware (http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware)


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166168)

Cheers,
Marius



Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pundamilia on 30 Jul 2017, 03:05 pm
FWIW, I had similar issues with my BDP-1 locking up (with no Jitterbug). I never did get a satisfactory explanation. I moved to a BDP-2 and have never had the problem since, which leads me to believe that it may be a memory or processor overload issue. i seem to recall the memory utilization being 98% shortly before the BDP-1 hung.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: zoom25 on 30 Jul 2017, 04:38 pm
I've had this problem from time to time, regardless of the Jitterbug or not.

There have been times where I could load Manic Moose on my iMac to control the tracks, but the Logitech remote did not work even though I could see the LED blinking or responding. At the same time, the buttons would also be non responsive. In those cases, I usually have to wait 15-20 seconds for the track to load in and then the remote would also start working.

I run with the database disabled and all other services except for USB mount and MPD. I updated mine 2-3 weeks back. I don't know if there has been a recent release that made it worse?

The only error codes I got was voltage related. Twice over the period of 2 years being left on 24/7.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jul 2017, 04:40 pm
I have noticed that my BDP-1 is becoming extremely unstable, where I used to be able to leave it on 24/7 without issue, it now won't even go a day without locking up, sometimes within the first hour.

It is currently running S2.32 2017-02-01 Kernal 3.16-0.bpo.2-486.

I've also used the latest version S2.32 2017-06-20 with MPD 0.17.6, 0.18.21, and 0.19.21

It will work fine, then suddenly it will become unresponsive, to the front panel buttons, remote, or web login (but sometimes will still be playing music), and the only thing to do is push the power button, but this is frustrating as sometimes it will boot back up, and sometimes it will only give the dreaded error 09, and it takes a lot of fiddling to try to get it to work again, sometimes this takes hours of turning it off on, trying different compact flash cards, etc.

I'm not sure if it's the latest versions of manic moose causing this issue, or something else, I haven't really changed anything in my setup, same hard drives, etc.

Any ideas?

Is your music stored on USB drive or a network share? Does the display show a "U" in the lower left corner rather then a play symbol (triangle) when it freezes?  Is the bryston DB enabled in media player settings?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 31 Jul 2017, 07:08 am
Chris,


Where in the 28-7 beta firmware can i find the reset DB button? I need to restart building it because of changing the HDD's/network shares setup.

Somehow i can't rename my shares like before. In the MM interface I've browsed and installed 3 extra shares, pointing to subfolders of my Muziek folder in the Root of my NAS.


Previously i had a share and renamed it MP3 on Nas, while it original name in MM was Mp3 on HvDDiskStation.local.


My newly installed shares now in MM are of the Muziek//Pop on HvBDiskStation.local type. If i rename these to Pop on Nas, which is highly preferred, things go wrong.
Would really love to have the option back to rename these shares to something more user-friendly. How to proceed please? Editing the name in the MM interface won't work, neither does editing the NAS file in //User .


I would also like it very much if the _on_xxdrive could be left out in MM, but that's of secondary priority for me right now.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166231) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166232) 

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: doveman on 31 Jul 2017, 07:56 am
Is your music stored on USB drive or a network share? Does the display show a "U" in the lower left corner rather then a play symbol (triangle) when it freezes?  Is the bryston DB enabled in media player settings?

Music is on a USB drive connected to the back lower port. The screen will freeze on whatever was last displayed, when it freezes you can push a front button to light up the screen but it won't change at all, i.e. if you push down it won't display IP number, but just still display the song. Also no it doesn't freeze with a U, it is normally just the STOP or PLAY symbol, although sometimes the first character is missing all together.

DB is not enabled I just use Mpod to control songs.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Jul 2017, 04:45 pm
Chris,


Where in the 28-7 beta firmware can i find the reset DB button? I need to restart building it because of changing the HDD's/network shares setup.

Somehow i can't rename my shares like before. In the MM interface I've browsed and installed 3 extra shares, pointing to subfolders of my Muziek folder in the Root of my NAS.


Previously i had a share and renamed it MP3 on Nas, while it original name in MM was Mp3 on HvDDiskStation.local.


My newly installed shares now in MM are of the Muziek//Pop on HvBDiskStation.local type. If i rename these to Pop on Nas, which is highly preferred, things go wrong.
Would really love to have the option back to rename these shares to something more user-friendly. How to proceed please? Editing the name in the MM interface won't work, neither does editing the NAS file in //User .


I would also like it very much if the _on_xxdrive could be left out in MM, but that's of secondary priority for me right now.


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

You should be able to change the server name field during setup without issue, however the path "music/pop" must be left as is.  I'm glad you brought this up, i to agree this is something we need to add as a feature.  I meant to move the buttons to be found under the Bryston DB section, but i guess i must have just removed them by accident.  You can use the below address to trigger an update until the next release.

http://bryston-bdp-1.local/mpd/dbreset.php

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 1 Aug 2017, 05:46 am
Hi Marius,

You should be able to change the server name field during setup without issue, however the path "music/pop" must be left as is.  I'm glad you brought this up, i to agree this is something we need to add as a feature.  I meant to move the buttons to be found under the Bryston DB section, but i guess i must have just removed them by accident.  You can use the below address to trigger an update until the next release.

http://bryston-bdp-1.local/mpd/dbreset.php (http://bryston-bdp-1.local/mpd/dbreset.php)


Thanks Chris, cool.
Any reason MM won't allow the use the .local instead of the ip address anymore? I always set my network devices to dynamic addresses, so don't really like being forced to use the fixed ip addresses.

So as not to confuse:


the .local naming would be preferred for localizing the server in the NAS setup interface, but not for the naming in MM interface.


I really think it is a pain to the eye in MM. Hope you would be willing to let us just name it Pop or what ever, and have a dedicated icon indicate the folder to be on a network share, instead of on a local drive. That way we could dispense of al the horrible underscores too...


OMT: it would be really nice if simply renaming the drive in MM wouldn't require a full DB update.... please take that up on the todo list for the next release too?

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 1 Aug 2017, 06:38 am
Hi Chris,


Please let me comment on 2 interface issues I experience:


- you've implemented a dropdown alphablet to directly jump to a specific letter in the listing. I've never really felt any advantage of scrolling down this dropdown list above scrolling down the listing itself. Even on my BDP1, with rather a large listing here and there, there is no speed advantage. Rather, it clutters the view. On the mobile interface that clutter is even worse. I for one wouldn't mind it gone in the interface.

- in the last betas you've added a Drop down menu in Mediaplayer settings to select sub categories rather than everything in one giant list. I understand you want to service the enduser and not force scrolling a long list. But now we still have to scroll, and select the various subsections. This has unexpected/wanted behavior in the various platforms, and doesn't really add to the clarity of the interface. Especially so on smaller screens like the mobile phone. I didn't really mind scrolling the longer list. Happens only once in a while after all. If you must cut it up, why wouldn't you implement 4 separate sections instead of the current opening and closing and following sliding up and down. A lot of visual distraction and unease, while before one could find what one is looking for just in one swipe

Btw, It's this same behavior that's so confusing in the Artist view of the library. Maybe even more so, since not all available submenus are always in first sight, and one has to scroll to see them anyway.... Especially when one or more of the subsections is/are opened.

Just my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 1 Aug 2017, 04:15 pm
Chris,


A Bryston DB is detected. Since you said some feedback was provided in the error messages, i clicked, et voila, this it the result.


Now what does that mean ;-)
Would be cool if these messages were a bit more precise about location and reason of the error occurring to this album. It happens have several Pangaea files..Not knowing what to look for makes it hard to lift and prevent the error.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166274)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pundamilia on 1 Aug 2017, 05:00 pm
Quote
- you've implemented a dropdown alphablet to directly jump to a specific letter in the listing. I've never really felt any advantage of scrolling down this dropdown list above scrolling down the listing itself. Even on my BDP1, with rather a large listing here and there, there is no speed advantage. Rather, it clutters the view. On the mobile interface that clutter is even worse. I for one wouldn't mind it gone in the interface.

I beg to differ. I find the dropdown alphabet useful and quicker than scrolling through the whole list. I would advocate for retaining this feature - particularly since the code is already there - and it is working!  :wink:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Aug 2017, 06:15 am
I beg to differ. I find the dropdown alphabet useful and quicker than scrolling through the whole list. I would advocate for retaining this feature - particularly since the code is already there - and it is working!  ;)

Cool, to each their own. I'll just refrain from using it.

A better search function would be kind of helpful though, in Default view that is. Comparing the search box in artist view, which is almost immediate while you type, with the default view finder, which takes forever, underlines my point. I'd love the functionality of Artist view in default view.



Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Aug 2017, 08:49 am
Hi Chris,


Would it be possible to have the tidal integration/suggestions in MM be optional. All sorts of album suggestions flying by that i don't need/want. Might also be taking up scarce bdp1 resources....


I don't have tidal, won't be soon as things stand, and could do without the suggestions MM is throwing at me lately. Please optionalize Tidal.


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 2 Aug 2017, 11:38 am
I beg to differ. I find the dropdown alphabet useful and quicker than scrolling through the whole list.   :wink:

+1 keep the dropdown. It's essential with v.l. libraries.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 2 Aug 2017, 02:16 pm
We are back to the problem of ordering songs with more than 9 tracks. See attached image:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166160)

S2.35 2017-07-28
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010

This issue seems to be with the new Dashboard view AND the Default View. With the Artist View, the track ordering is correct, as seen with the same album in the image below:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166341)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Aug 2017, 03:24 pm
+1 keep the dropdown. It's essential with v.l. libraries.


HI Pete,
Just out of curiosity, please define v.l.


One of my longer lists /folder structures is about 109 entries. Very manageable without the dropdown.
Cheers,Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Aug 2017, 03:30 pm
Is it possible that after a search, that you see where the music is comming from? I mean that you can see in which directory it is stored.


+1, long standing question.
Would be wonderful to have a hover pop up with the file- path . Not only in a search result btw, also in artist-view, where files not necessarily are stored in the same directory, and virtually ordered on tag artist.


you do know about the I(info) button top right next to the gear icon? Clicking that shows the path to the currently playing file, amongst other useful info.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 2 Aug 2017, 11:01 pm

HI Pete,
Just out of curiosity, please define v.l.


One of my longer lists /folder structures is about 109 entries. Very manageable without the dropdown.
Cheers,Marius

Very large libraries, my friend.

Now back to Apocalypse Now -- Ride of the Valkyries above Cambodia!!

hojotoho....
 :lol:

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 3 Aug 2017, 07:40 am
Very large libraries, my friend.

Now back to Apocalypse Now -- Ride of the Valkyries above Cambodia!!

hojotoho....
 :lol:


Not much to laugh about in that movie. Frightening it is.

Back to Bryston: though I'm not a native speaker, and Brünnhilde can be the distraction to forget all else, I got that abb ;)

My point was when will you call it very large? Ymmv.
If one weren't fully depending on the tags ordering things virtually, and filed all albums in one big repository, i would assume anyone to have subfolders, logically arranged. In that case, I can't imagine any folder growing larger than say 150 items/subfolders, or entries in the MM file list for that matter. A new subfolder would be preferable.

In my experience I find stuff I'm looking for in a folder that large in 1 swipe. MM is very fluid and smooth. Just as fast as having the intermediate action of browsing the alphabet dropdown (always have trouble clicking the correct letter :duh: ), and then clicking the wanted item. When I'm just feeling lucky, and browse my library without any clear thought of what I want to hear, the dropdown is of no use in the first place.

Also, and Chris that might be able to perfect that, the Dropdown also shows letters without having an item for that letter. Leaving a click on that pointless letter without any action. Maybe empty letters could be grayed out, or just not shown?

Be safe,
Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 5 Aug 2017, 09:07 pm



Also, and Chris that might be able to perfect that, the Dropdown also shows letters without having an item for that letter. Leaving a click on that pointless letter without any action. Maybe empty letters could be grayed out, or just not shown?

Be safe,
Cheers,
Marius

Chris, Thanks !!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166491)

Doesn’t work on all listings yet though. Check for example my root, only these 4 subfolders and still the full alphabet in the dropdown.
Quick analysis seems to indicate that only folders with actual albums containing songs work correctly. All other folders don’t just yet.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166492)

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Aug 2017, 11:27 pm
A certain number of headers need to be generated before it'll take effect, 4 or 5 I think
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: doveman on 6 Aug 2017, 03:46 am
FWIW, I had similar issues with my BDP-1 locking up (with no Jitterbug). I never did get a satisfactory explanation. I moved to a BDP-2 and have never had the problem since, which leads me to believe that it may be a memory or processor overload issue. i seem to recall the memory utilization being 98% shortly before the BDP-1 hung.

Given that the only reasonable explanation seems to be that the later versions of MM are just too much for the BDP1 specs, is there an archive where you can locate earlier versions of MM, so you can try out the major releases and pick one that works best?

I remember about a year ago where I was having no issues at all, my BDP1 would run for months on end without issue, I think it was a release starting with 2016.

Is this possible, as I don't use any advanced features and only have the bare basis activated, USB, samba, mpd, etc.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Aug 2017, 04:34 pm
A certain number of headers need to be generated before it'll take effect, 4 or 5 I think

Not here, I’ve 2’folders with 6 and 8 subfolders and they show the full alpha-dropdown.

Cheers
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 6 Aug 2017, 07:52 pm
This issue seems to be with the new Dashboard view AND the Default View. With the Artist View, the track ordering is correct, as seen with the same album in the image below:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166341)

And... it seems to be limited to MP3 files. I even tried re-writing the ID3 tags using version 2.3 instead of 2.4 - no difference. Every album of MP3s I have presents this defect in the new Dashboard and Default view, but track indexes are correct in the Artist view.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 8 Aug 2017, 03:03 am
S2.35 2017-08-04

Mouse wheel doesn't work when viewing booklets and sometimes very slow to load (ie wheel of death) in artist view.  No track number after 99.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166581)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 Aug 2017, 06:21 pm
And... it seems to be limited to MP3 files. I even tried re-writing the ID3 tags using version 2.3 instead of 2.4 - no difference. Every album of MP3s I have presents this defect in the new Dashboard and Default view, but track indexes are correct in the Artist view.

Eventually we'll either offer an option to attempt enforcing this format or just enforce this format, should be part of S2.38
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 Aug 2017, 06:23 pm
S2.35 2017-08-04

Mouse wheel doesn't work when viewing booklets and sometimes very slow to load (ie wheel of death) in artist view.  No track number after 99.

i honestly though 99 was a high enough number, clearly I was mistaken
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 Aug 2017, 06:43 pm
Not here, I’ve 2’folders with 6 and 8 subfolders and they show the full alpha-dropdown.

Cheers
Marius

But their is a criteria for the dropdown menu to be relevant which i believe is something like 20 items, i don't believe anyone would bother to use it with a few items in the list.  We'll do some more work on it this week.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Aug 2017, 06:51 pm
But their is a criteria for the dropdown menu to be relevant which i believe is something like 20 items, i don't believe anyone would bother to use it with a few items in the list.  We'll do some more work on it this week.

Hi Chris
I must have misunderstood but I replied to your post mentioning the need for 4 or 5 headers ?

I agree with you on the need for the drop down, but since it is there, also in smaller listings, it would make sense to make it consistent in al places, no matter the count in the listing.

 Cheers
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 Aug 2017, 06:55 pm
Given that the only reasonable explanation seems to be that the later versions of MM are just too much for the BDP1 specs, is there an archive where you can locate earlier versions of MM, so you can try out the major releases and pick one that works best?

I remember about a year ago where I was having no issues at all, my BDP1 would run for months on end without issue, I think it was a release starting with 2016.

Is this possible, as I don't use any advanced features and only have the bare basis activated, USB, samba, mpd, etc.

The new features are turned off by default and its these features that can stress the BDP-1, leaving the features off should allow the BDP to operate properly.  I personally havn't noticed any issues with the BDP-1 and the only thing i'm aware of is an inconsistent bug with the TIDAL web interface, but that isn't BDP-1 specific.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 Aug 2017, 06:56 pm
Hi Chris
I must have misunderstood but I replied to your post mentioning the need for 4 or 5 headers ?

I agree with you on the need for the drop down, but since it is there, also in smaller listings, it would make sense to make it consistent in al places, no matter the count in the listing.

 Cheers
Marius

Both criteria would need to be met, i might simply hide the drop down menu if there aren't any of the headers.  Again i'll take a look at it later this week when i return to work.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Aug 2017, 07:00 pm
Both criteria would need to be met, i might simply hide the drop down menu if there aren't any of the headers.  Again i'll take a look at it later this week when i return to work.

 :thumb:
Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 12 Aug 2017, 12:24 am
with S2.35 2017-08-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-48

Some of my artist won't load its says can't find data file
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166773)

i'm also getting "DB crash detected"

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Aug 2017, 09:35 am
with S2.35 2017-08-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-48

Some of my artist won't load its says can't find data file
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166773)

i'm also getting "DB crash detected"

Any ideas?


too big a library? still a possibility  the BDP-2 , i believe over 60K tracks?


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 14 Aug 2017, 11:50 am
Both criteria would need to be met, i might simply hide the drop down menu if there aren't any of the headers.  Again i'll take a look at it later this week when i return to work.


Chris, a big thanks!


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166941)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 14 Aug 2017, 02:14 pm

too big a library? still a possibility  the BDP-2 , i believe over 60K tracks?



Cheers,
Marius

No it's not the library size it worked ok in the last build.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Aug 2017, 02:59 pm
with S2.35 2017-08-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-48

Some of my artist won't load its says can't find data file

i'm also getting "DB crash detected"

Any ideas?

you'll need to place the BDP into service mode so we can run the program from command prompt. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 15 Aug 2017, 12:53 am
you'll need to place the BDP into service mode so we can run the program from command prompt.

Hi Chris i have it in service mode please have a look id 106
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 15 Aug 2017, 04:14 pm
Eventually we'll either offer an option to attempt enforcing this format or just enforce this format, should be part of S2.38

Thanks for your response, though I am not sure what this means.

Suggestion: an option to use MPD's database, as opposed to what Manic Moose generates.

I have been playing around with loading WAV files into my BDP-1, after updating the tags to ID3 v2.3. With Soundirok, which is just presenting whatever MPD finds, all is well. However none of my WAV files show up in Manic Moose unless I browse by folder.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: zoom25 on 15 Aug 2017, 05:36 pm
Thanks for your response, though I am not sure what this means.

Suggestion: an option to use MPD's database, as opposed to what Manic Moose generates.

I have been playing around with loading WAV files into my BDP-1, after updating the tags to ID3 v2.3. With Soundirok, which is just presenting whatever MPD finds, all is well. However none of my WAV files show up in Manic Moose unless I browse by folder.

Please let us know if you figure out WAV in Manic Moose. I bought Soundirok awhile back but never got around to using it. It's good to hear that it works well. The system has been dismantled for the past few weeks and will put it back together in end of August.

In the meantime, I've been going back and using MP3Tag on Windows to redo my FLACs manually and make sure they are all correct and properly written. I might rerip my WAVs using those FLACs if Manic Moose gets it right. As a desktop user, Manic Moose is the convenient choice.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Aug 2017, 05:41 pm
Thanks for your response, though I am not sure what this means.

Suggestion: an option to use MPD's database, as opposed to what Manic Moose generates.

I have been playing around with loading WAV files into my BDP-1, after updating the tags to ID3 v2.3. With Soundirok, which is just presenting whatever MPD finds, all is well. However none of my WAV files show up in Manic Moose unless I browse by folder.

The artist view attempt  to identify track number values that aren't just a track number (ie 3/10) and attempt to simplify it (ie to 03).  This is why it shows correctly in the Artist view and not the others. 

Soundirok is generating values from the the paths, if the value actually existed in the MPD database then they would exist in the Bryston DB.  The Bryston DB simply analysis the MPD database much like Soundirok analysis the MPD database, the difference is the Bryston DB also has the ability to interrogate the files and currently we limit that to looking for cover art.  The Bryston DB has a similar feature to Soundirok's ability to interpret the file path to collect artist and album name (etc), but its disabled until a path is configured in the CD Backup program found in applications.  It'll take the path you configure for ripping audio cd's and apply it to files missing tag data.  I hope this help to clear things up.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 15 Aug 2017, 07:55 pm
The artist view attempt  to identify track number values that aren't just a track number (ie 3/10) and attempt to simplify it (ie to 03).  This is why it shows correctly in the Artist view and not the others. 

Soundirok is generating values from the the paths, if the value actually existed in the MPD database then they would exist in the Bryston DB.  The Bryston DB simply analysis the MPD database much like Soundirok analysis the MPD database, the difference is the Bryston DB also has the ability to interrogate the files and currently we limit that to looking for cover art.  The Bryston DB has a similar feature to Soundirok's ability to interpret the file path to collect artist and album name (etc), but its disabled until a path is configured in the CD Backup program found in applications.  It'll take the path you configure for ripping audio cd's and apply it to files missing tag data.  I hope this help to clear things up.

Cheers,
Chris

Ah, I don't think so.

I know there is an option to do that, but my WAV files are presenting genre and album artist, which are not in the pathway. Somewhere the tag data is being read - either by MPD or by Soundirok. What's really odd is that the "new albums list" in both Soundirok and Manic Moose's new dashboard show similar collections - except the WAV files are missing from the Manic Moose version.

Do you have an idea why Manic Moose can't read the tags from the WAV files? Is this not supported?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Aug 2017, 11:13 pm
Then its getting the genre and other tags from another source, musicbrainz perhaps.  No its never been supported as wav has no official support.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Aug 2017, 07:21 pm
This is so cool, the alphabet menu is perfect now! magical. In this implementation, it is a joy to work with, and indeed an enhancement to browsing the folder as it is. Thanks!


Something else you might be able to fix:


In the NAs setup page all available drives are displayed. If one wants to edit a drive, a click and select the edit box suffices. But then if you want to edit another drive, the selected specifics of the first drive are still in view, and don't change by selecting the other drive. Could you make this 'hot', that is to say, clicking the other drive, changes and shows that selected drive's specifics?


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167170)


Cheers,
Marius



Chris, a big thanks!


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166941)


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Aug 2017, 08:06 pm
Chris,


Did you consider enabling the Bryston DB with selective drives? We chatted about it earlier but i think it was lost on the radar..
It would enable BDP1 users to use the DB with their favorite music on a special drive, without having to run the DB over all the library, for which the BDP1 is not powerful enough.


Would be wonderful,
Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 22 Aug 2017, 07:23 am
I've noticed an odd phenomenon only with recent Beta builds (my BDP1 is on 11th August build).
My mostly classical collection is arranged in folders with each folder being a single CD or downloaded album.  Generally I select a complete folder to play rather than individual tracks.  What I've noticed lately is that when  playback reaches (I think)  the penultimate track, the BDP seemingly at random then appends  an extra track from another folder to the end  of the playlist.  Is this a deliberate feature I have somehow inadvertently enabled?  I did wonder if this was (from memory) the "Bryston  Scrabbler", but disabled that option and effect continues.  I should add that the original selected folder plays in its entirety and in the correct order before the extra track plays.

In the scale of human suffering not a big problem, but I'd rather it didn't do it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Aug 2017, 10:33 am
Hi Folks,

Chris is working on a new software release for Manic Moose which should be available shortly.

He has done a terrific job with it. It is integrated with Music Brains and Tidal and provides a lot of new features for our customers.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Aug 2017, 01:04 pm
Hi Chris,


While preparing for the next gen Firmware, maybe it is not too late to re-ask this:


There's 3 types of pages: Dashboard, Mediaplayer, and Settings.


On Mediaplayer, you show a Dashboard-button. On Dashboard you show the Mediaplayer-button. And then suddenly, on Settings-pages you show a Back-button. Media-player and Dashboard button obviously are direct and very clear. Back-button though is somewhat different. It isn't very clear in its destination. Also, if one would want to go to the Mediaplayer from the Settings page, one would need to go to the Dashboard first, and then click the Mediaplayer-button.


Why don't you just show Dashboard and Mediaplayer on all Settings-pages? I know it's no big deal, but if one seeks to cut out unnecessary clicks or buttons, this could be one of them: Take out 'Back' , and only show Dashboard or Mediaplayer.
Should be very easy, doesn't take any resources (BDP-1 importance), and doesn't cost any extra screen real estate, even on mobile devices.


One would only have to remember that for Settings, one needs to go to the Dashboard first, but that seems quite logical...


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 30 Aug 2017, 01:14 pm
Another issue I would love to see solved before leaving the BDP-1 support releases, is solving the image errors MM introduced several iterations ago. Clicking the jpg's enabled cycling the available images in the Mediaplayer window. This functionality suddenly was broken and never repaired. It shouldn't be because of the BDP1's available resources, because it worked wonderfully before.


Would you please have an extra look at that before you leave the BDP-1 and focus on developing BDP2 and 3's NN?


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 30 Aug 2017, 03:26 pm
FYI ... I cannot stop Manic Moose from merging similar genres, even though I uncheck the box and click on SAVE. It keeps reenabling the checkbox on its own.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167753)


S2.35 2017-08-25
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Aug 2017, 01:05 am
FYI ... I cannot stop Manic Moose from merging similar genres, even though I uncheck the box and click on SAVE. It keeps reenabling the checkbox on its own.


S2.35 2017-08-25
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010

Have you checked the read/write state, filesystem or free space for the user partition in disk information?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Aug 2017, 01:08 am
Another issue I would love to see solved before leaving the BDP-1 support releases, is solving the image errors MM introduced several iterations ago. Clicking the jpg's enabled cycling the available images in the Mediaplayer window. This functionality suddenly was broken and never repaired. It shouldn't be because of the BDP1's available resources, because it worked wonderfully before.


Would you please have an extra look at that before you leave the BDP-1 and focus on developing BDP2 and 3's NN?


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

I did take a look at this today and didn't notice anything wrong with it, my ace of base test album cycled through its image correctly, but I'll keep an eye on it
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 31 Aug 2017, 02:25 am
Have you checked the read/write state, filesystem or free space for the user partition in disk information?

I assume you mean /dev/sda1? It's usage is at 23% and /mnt/img (which I believe is the user partition?) is rw for the bryston user.

This new behavior started with the latest BETA release, as described in my original post.

Thanks.

EDIT: For what it's worth, I was able to enable the "Music Scrapper" and the setting does persist. By the way, I think you mean "Scraper". Oh, and your accordion panel arrows in the new settings box are backwards: the arrow should show the action of clicked, not the current state.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 31 Aug 2017, 03:46 pm
My unit states the my newest software is 2.34 yet I see hear its 2.35. How can I get 2.35 as it did not show up on my BDP-2 as of last night? :o
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 31 Aug 2017, 05:24 pm
My unit states the my newest software is 2.34 yet I see hear its 2.35. How can I get 2.35 as it did not show up on my BDP-2 as of last night? :o

even (ie S2.34) valued software revisions are considered our "Stable" releases while odd (ie S2.35) valued software revisions are development (or testing/beta) builds and aren't prompted on unit, but still accessible (see link below).  We release testing builds (generally every friday or try to anyways) for feedback.  We also have miniupdates that get uploaded each time i change the /bin /www folders found within the firmware, these i don't recommend using.

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 2 Sep 2017, 12:39 pm
One asks, and Chris delivers. Just wow. Thanks! Works flawlessly, perfect. So cool.


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167922)


Cheers,
Marius


Hi Chris,


While preparing for the next gen Firmware, maybe it is not too late to re-ask this:


There's 3 types of pages: Dashboard, Mediaplayer, and Settings.


On Mediaplayer, you show a Dashboard-button. On Dashboard you show the Mediaplayer-button. And then suddenly, on Settings-pages you show a Back-button. Media-player and Dashboard button obviously are direct and very clear. Back-button though is somewhat different. It isn't very clear in its destination. Also, if one would want to go to the Mediaplayer from the Settings page, one would need to go to the Dashboard first, and then click the Mediaplayer-button.


Why don't you just show Dashboard and Mediaplayer on all Settings-pages? I know it's no big deal, but if one seeks to cut out unnecessary clicks or buttons, this could be one of them: Take out 'Back' , and only show Dashboard or Mediaplayer.
Should be very easy, doesn't take any resources (BDP-1 importance), and doesn't cost any extra screen real estate, even on mobile devices.


One would only have to remember that for Settings, one needs to go to the Dashboard first, but that seems quite logical...


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 2 Sep 2017, 04:08 pm
Hi Chris
Noticed on updating to
S2.35 2017-09-01
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
BDP-2

I am getting a "Bryston bb disk full error" and asking me to create a scratch disk 
Have done a couple of reboots and tried the update again.
Player works OK
Regards
David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Sep 2017, 04:39 pm
Rebooting or redoing the update likely isn't going to make it go away, either there is a bug with the new code or your userspace is full or nearly full.  You can either place the bdp into service mode for us to check or go into media player settings.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Sep 2017, 04:44 pm
Hi

I have 60,000 songs in my attached music on my BDP-3 and looks like I am only using 19% of the user-space.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167926)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167927)

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 2 Sep 2017, 05:12 pm
Bryston.db.data is only 929 mb of 5.30gb
4,900 files


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167928)

David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 2 Sep 2017, 05:15 pm
Service ID 58
Thanks
David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 2 Sep 2017, 05:26 pm
It is in fact full, you'll  notice difficulties scraping new data, adding new music (library won't update properly) and or rebuilding the database.  You may want to just clear the cache media player, we made some changes to scrape less data related to missing albums.  Or just set a scratch drive
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 2 Sep 2017, 05:40 pm
Cleared cache and reset db -- everything OK

Thanks
David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 4 Sep 2017, 09:06 pm
Default sorting in Artists View.

In general, I like the option of seeing albums within a selected artists sorted by year, but I have a lot of albums that are compilations. As such, the individual songs are date tagged with the release year for that song.

See the attached image. I have a number of albums that display like this, with track indexes sorted by date and albums broken apart within the artist view.

I think you may want to consider an option to sort by album name or release year.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=168087)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Sep 2017, 07:59 am
Hi Chris,


Not sure if this is covered before (probably), pardon me if it is.


Since BDA-3 de-embeds the HDMI hi-res audio out off bd audio and sacd's, I was wondering if hooking up a BD player to the BDP would allow us to rip the same audio content of these discs in MM or the soon to be released NN. Of course we now only have a USB connection, which probably is another story, but aren't you considering a HDMI connection for the next iteration of the BDP maybe..?

Would be wonderful if buying the BD audio of a recording could provide us with the digital files in one go. Saving the original bitstream of the DSD files straight from the source.
As it stands now, we have to buy both the 24 bit digital files and the BD/SACD of the same album(s).. While both containing the same source, we're only paying double for the carrier...

If not an option on the BDP, maybe a digital out somehow on the BDAx would allow us to safe that?

Cheers,
Marius
 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 6 Sep 2017, 03:48 pm
...
Since BDA-3 de-embeds the HDMI hi-res audio out off bd audio and sacd's, I was wondering if hooking up a BD player to the BDP would allow us to rip the same audio content of these discs in MM or the soon to be released NN.
...

It is illegal in the US to do this, technical issues aside. Technically, it is very possible and I've done this with my collection of DVDs, DVD-Audio and Blu-ray discs.

You need a PC or Mac and some software tools for ripping and converting. Google: MakeMKV
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 6 Sep 2017, 05:51 pm
It is illegal in the US to do this, technical issues aside. Technically, it is very possible and I've done this with my collection of DVDs, DVD-Audio and Blu-ray discs.

You need a PC or Mac and some software tools for ripping and converting. Google: MakeMKV


Thanks Ken,


I've played with MakeMKV before but didn't get the hang of it, especially entering all tracks etc seemed too much trouble back then.
Isn't it illegal then to de-embed the DSD bitstream from the HDMI signal? I cant imagine doing so (de-embedding) and inputting it into a Dac isn't, while doing so and saving it to a file isn't :scratch: :scratch: 


btw did you do that on a Mac, with a separate bluray reader? Or PC. At the time of my experimenting JRMC wasn't on a Mac yet, so I didn't check it out. Apparently they can Rip BD audio as well  and are on MAC https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray . Might be worth the extra look. Still, if JR is allowed to Rip, why wouldn't Brystons MM or NN?

Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 6 Sep 2017, 06:56 pm
Why is it that my BDP-2 shows only Manic Moose software version 2.34? There is no 2.35.  :o
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 6 Sep 2017, 10:11 pm

I've played with MakeMKV before but didn't get the hang of it, especially entering all tracks etc seemed too much trouble back then.
Isn't it illegal then to de-embed the DSD bitstream from the HDMI signal? I cant imagine doing so (de-embedding) and inputting it into a Dac isn't, while doing so and saving it to a file isn't :scratch: :scratch: 


btw did you do that on a Mac, with a separate bluray reader? Or PC. At the time of my experimenting JRMC wasn't on a Mac yet, so I didn't check it out. Apparently they can Rip BD audio as well  and are on MAC https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray . Might be worth the extra look. Still, if JR is allowed to Rip, why wouldn't Brystons MM or NN?


It's possible that not all BD audio is protected, but what I've seen sure is: protected with AACS. I can't imagine how JRiver is legally ripping BD content.

Use MakeMKV to strip off the AACS encryption and then use DVD Audio Extractor to transcode the BD image into separate FLAC files. Yes, you have to manually fill in the meta data.

Is HDMI de-embedding illegal? The box I have relies on a connected TV downstream to provide the necessary HDCP handshake so the source player will send the data. The Bryston BDA likely has licensed this on their own, thus eliminating the need for a connected TV (albeit at some cost to Bryston).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Sep 2017, 03:26 am
It depends on the country, in Canada we are legally allowed to make unencrypted backups of the movies, music and other mediums we buy for our own use.  If a piece of software was able to rip an encrypted bluray it's not illegal in Canada so long as its being used as outlined by our laws.  This law may have changed, it's been many years since I last payed any attention to it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 7 Sep 2017, 05:57 am
It depends on the country, in Canada we are legally allowed to make unencrypted backups of the movies, music and other mediums we buy for our own use.  If a piece of software was able to rip an encrypted bluray it's not illegal in Canada so long as its being used as outlined by our laws.  This law may have changed, it's been many years since I last payed any attention to it.


I believe its the same here in the Netherlands, though there's been some discussion ;)


That takes away any reason for Bryston not to enable us to do that in MM (and NN) then ?


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 7 Sep 2017, 12:57 pm

I believe its the same here in the Netherlands, though there's been some discussion ;)


That takes away any reason for Bryston not to enable us to do that in MM (and NN) then ?


Cheers,
Marius

Canada and The Netherlands are stand-outs on this topic. You can read here what the laws are, per country:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripping)

The much bigger problem is AACS versioning. AACS creates new encryption keys very frequently, so if this was built into Manic Moose to work with the BOT, Bryston would have to release new versions almost monthly. AACS is up to version 63.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 7 Sep 2017, 08:12 pm
Why is it that my BDP-2 shows only Manic Moose software version 2.34? There is no 2.35.  :o

Anyone. Unincognito?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: zoom25 on 7 Sep 2017, 08:36 pm
Anyone. Unincognito?

Same. Shows 2.34 on BDP-1. Also, "no internet connection" when it should clearly be connected.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Sep 2017, 09:27 pm
Same. Shows 2.34 on BDP-1. Also, "no internet connection" when it should clearly be connected.

Hi

Yes the no internet is corrected in 35. 

35 is a beta currently so you have to download the beta version to play with it.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: zoom25 on 7 Sep 2017, 09:55 pm
Hi

Yes the no internet is corrected in 35. 

35 is a beta currently so you have to download the beta version to play with it.

james

Okay, I'll take a look at it. I just needed Roon to work for now and finally got that working.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 8 Sep 2017, 02:46 pm
Hi

Yes the no internet is corrected in 35. 

35 is a beta currently so you have to download the beta version to play with it.

james

Download from where?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Sep 2017, 03:29 pm
Chris has a few customers that test Beta versions for him - so he gives you the secret sauce to download it.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 8 Sep 2017, 03:43 pm
beta/testing build howto

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 8 Sep 2017, 10:25 pm
beta/testing build howto

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248

Thank you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: R. Daneel on 9 Sep 2017, 01:51 pm
Hi!

Chris, I did as you suggested but the BETA won't install. I followed the instructions but all it does after clicking Update is showing "/ I -" and stays that way.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Sep 2017, 01:58 pm
Hi Folks,

Some shots of the new Artist View feature in Chris's new Software for MM.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=168318)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=168319)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=168320)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=168321)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=168322)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: R. Daneel on 9 Sep 2017, 02:23 pm
Correction, it seems that I cannot upgrade any firmware, not just the beta version!

The thing just keeps showing the "slanted line" like it's doing something but it has been doing that for 2 hours now so something must be wrong. Current software version is S2.28. 

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Sep 2017, 03:31 pm
Command line should look like this - with your IP address of course.

http://192.168.1.17/bryston/settings/update-firmware.php#beta

Make sure you are in Update Firmware in Dashboard

Also make sure you hit update below the window once the command line is entered.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=168324)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: R. Daneel on 9 Sep 2017, 04:47 pm
Hi James!

Yes, everything is EXACTLY as you say, just like Chris specified. Nothing happens.

It isn't only BETA that cannot be installed, for some reason, my BDP-2 refuses to update to the latest 2.34 version as well.

I've been trying all afternoon but with no luck. Something else must be wrong.

I have no idea what's going on. I sent an email to Chris but received no reply. I realise it's Saturday though so most likely won't hear from him till Monday.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Sep 2017, 05:00 pm
Yes leave it for now - I will email Chris to see if he's around - he tends to go off biking.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: R. Daneel on 9 Sep 2017, 05:10 pm
Yes leave it for now - I will email Chris to see if he's around - he tends to go off biking.

james

Thank you James!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 12 Sep 2017, 11:17 pm
Hi Chris I'm gettting "Bryston DB disk full" in artist view i have 4G scratch drive is that not large enough or is it something else ?
S2.35 2017-09-08
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 13 Sep 2017, 12:26 am
Hi
I cleared the cache and reset the DB and all returned to normal

David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 13 Sep 2017, 02:24 am
when i try to mount the scratch drive i get the "bryston DB disk full"  when i unmount it works ok.  also when trying to erase the drive i cannot rename it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 13 Sep 2017, 02:50 pm
when i try to mount the scratch drive i get the "bryston DB disk full"  when i unmount it works ok.  also when trying to erase the drive i cannot rename it.

I am not using a scratch drive (bdp-2)
Did you try and reformat the drive?


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ola_S on 13 Sep 2017, 06:43 pm
Maybe this question has been answered before but will the Tidal application in the BDP-2 be able to handle the master level quality in the future? Maybe I have misunderstood it but I don't think the software decoding of the MQA, like the tidal desktop app is doing, is a requirement for using the master level?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 13 Sep 2017, 11:46 pm
Maybe this question has been answered before but will the Tidal application in the BDP-2 be able to handle the master level quality in the future? Maybe I have misunderstood it but I don't think the software decoding of the MQA, like the tidal desktop app is doing, is a requirement for using the master level?

MQA is not master of anything; it is lossy, so you are correct, it is not required for playing master-quality recordings.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: XMAN on 13 Sep 2017, 11:53 pm
I am not using a scratch drive (bdp-2)
Did you try and reformat the drive?

I have to run a scratch drive.  A few weeks ago Chris suggested it and it solved the problem i was having.  After your collection gets to a curtain size it is required the on board memory on the BDP2 isn't enough.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ola_S on 14 Sep 2017, 05:06 pm
MQA is not master of anything; it is lossy, so you are correct, it is not required for playing master-quality recordings.
There is however no option to check in the GUI on the bdp-2 (only hifi level is selectable). When I play from the desktop app I get 96 kHz out from some records but the same record played from the BDP-2 generates a 44,1 kHz stream.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 15 Sep 2017, 08:00 pm
Is the server down? I just powered up and see a message that the BDP has no Internet connection. I tried installing the latest beta build but it just hangs and doesn't do anything.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 15 Sep 2017, 10:15 pm
I've rebooted and still have the same message. When I go to Network Interfaces I see than one Ethernet port has a DNS entry while the other doesn't. Obviously there is no issue connecting to the local network because I couldn't connect to the BDP otherwise.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Sep 2017, 10:22 pm
Is the server down? I just powered up and see a message that the BDP has no Internet connection. I tried installing the latest beta build but it just hangs and doesn't do anything.

Hi Rod

I just updated to S2.36 2017-09-15 with no issues on the 2 BDP-3's I have and a Pi.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 15 Sep 2017, 11:04 pm
Thanks James

Any guesses as to what might be going on with my unit? As mentioned clearly the cable is working because the BDP-2 can see my NAS on the network and still play music from it. All of my other Internet devices are up and running just fine right now, the include my laptop, iPad, NAS, PS3, Xbox 360, XBox One and Denon Blu-ray player. I just rebooted the BDP again and still the Alert pops up. I even switched Ethernet ports on the BDP this time. and also put the Ethernet cable in a free port on my network switcher. When I look at the lights surrounding the cable in the back of the BDP there is a solid orange one and blinking yellow one if that's of any help.

Rod
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 15 Sep 2017, 11:14 pm
OK very odd. I just tried to install the standard firmware again and it worked even though I'm still getting the no Internet alert. It's also taking the beta update as I type this.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: wilcat_2000 on 16 Sep 2017, 04:00 am
Hi...started getting the same no internet connection message last weekend too...still able to stream my favourite internet stations via the bdp2 but message continues.
Hope to look into it some more on the weekend...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Sep 2017, 10:18 am
Hi...started getting the same no internet connection message last weekend too...still able to stream my favourite internet stations via the bdp2 but message continues.
Hope to look into it some more on the weekend...

The new software should solve the no internet message - its a bug in some cases.

james

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 16 Sep 2017, 02:21 pm
Good to know, thanks

So everything is now running normally. Perhaps a question for Chris but in some cases the artist/band info gathered for the nice new summary section available in the beta is of the wrong band, artist or composer, is there a way to get that pointed to the correct band, artist or composer in these cases?

And thanks so much for adding a sort by date in artist view. I've been hoping this would come along for a long time now  :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Sep 2017, 07:03 pm
Good to know, thanks

So everything is now running normally. Perhaps a question for Chris but in some cases the artist/band info gathered for the nice new summary section available in the beta is of the wrong band, artist or composer, is there a way to get that pointed to the correct band, artist or composer in these cases?

And thanks so much for adding a sort by date in artist view. I've been hoping this would come along for a long time now  :thumb:

yah, the artist menu next to the description, play, shuffle play, then the three dots, in that menu there is a edit profile option.  in this menu click the ID value (musicbrianz) or the edit ID value button and you should be presented with alternative values or you can enter a custom search criteria and refresh the results.  I should have  a short video up later this weekend.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 16 Sep 2017, 07:13 pm
Cool thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: wilcat_2000 on 16 Sep 2017, 10:41 pm
THANK YOU SIR JAMES!
Downloading new firmware now!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: R. Daneel on 17 Sep 2017, 01:45 pm
So is 2.36 now officially available?

Is it the last upgrade Manic Moose will see?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Hoiman on 17 Sep 2017, 02:02 pm
Quote
So is 2.36 now officially available?

Just tried an update but still S2.34 2017-06-20 version.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 17 Sep 2017, 02:12 pm
Just tried an update but still S2.34 2017-06-20 version.

Need to use beta version for latest
See Chris's reply #2242
David
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Hoiman on 17 Sep 2017, 02:29 pm
The question is not about the beta, so that's why I answered with my comment  :D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 17 Sep 2017, 04:27 pm
The question is not about the beta, so that's why I answered with my comment  :D

You are right I  did not clearly read the comment  :duh:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Sep 2017, 03:52 pm
Need to use beta version for latest
See Chris's reply #2242
David

S2.36 is just getting the final touches before official release, either this week or next week.  It'll likely see weekly updates into October due to the nature of the new features.  Manic Moose has rough guide that we made available in August, see here http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=151871.0, it outlines our intentions for the firmware

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pundamilia on 21 Sep 2017, 04:13 am
Number of Songs? Does the value for Number of Songs as indicated on the System panel reflect the number of ACTUAL songs (i.e. playable files) or the total number of files (including folders, cover images, booklets, etc.)?  :scratch:

Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 21 Sep 2017, 12:49 pm
Number of Songs? Does the value for Number of Songs as indicated on the System panel reflect the number of ACTUAL songs (i.e. playable files) or the total number of files (including folders, cover images, booklets, etc.)?  :scratch:

Thanks

Maximum playlist length, you can attach as many files as you want to the unit
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 21 Sep 2017, 01:00 pm
HI Chris,


Does a Database Crash have anything to do with the user space? I have plenty left of the latter but DB keeps crashing at 37% procent.


When clicking the Crash notification in Dashboard an album is shown. What is the meaning of that? Is the album in error, or is it the last album indexed maybe. Also, i would love to be able to exactly see which album that is, or rather which file it is. There are several albums with the same title, but spread over the filesystem/library, and it is quite cumbersome to have to search and find them manually. Could you have the error notification include the complete filename please?


Thanks
Marius


btw the new Whats New is quite cool! Great new functionality, albeit very graphic. Could maybe do with the addition of the nice listing like before, like on http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware (http://support.bryston.com/site/?firmware).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pundamilia on 21 Sep 2017, 01:30 pm
Quote
Maximum playlist length, you can attach as many files as you want to the unit

@Chris/unincognito

Just to be clear then, it is NOT a count of the number of songs that have been added to the database?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: So There on 2 Oct 2017, 11:04 pm
Cover Art in MM 2.36 Artist View

Halloo, Hi-Res fans. Here's an issue that may affect your BDP (though I hope not).

Thanks for the Manic Moose 2.36 build, Chris. As always, I truly appreciate your expertise and generous assistance, most recently your email help with configuring a 1TB internal SSD in my BDP-2. MM works very well for me (in default view), and I can't wait for NN (Naughty Newts?). Thanks, too, for your cogent video orientation to MM 2.36.

I have a question on cover art that may interest others in this thread: does/can Manic Moose get cover art locally or exclusively from an online database? Can MM be set to default to local cover art, in the form of JPG files in the album's folder?

I have jpegs of cover art in my music folders on the internal SSD. I find that in default view, cover art displays accurately. Yet, in the new Artist view, cover art does not display or is jumbled: for many albums or tracks (e.g., Bryston or HDTracks samplers) there are no cover art thumbnails in the left-hand column, or the wrong cover art for individual (often, but not always sampler) tracks and for entire albums. The same is true for the larger cover art images in the Albums tab in the center of the MM page. I would be happy to post screenshots, if this would be helpful.

Typically, the BDP-2 Dashboard shows the BDP at optimal operation. However, I will sometimes get the message when opening MM on my iMac that there is no internet connection. Yet, I am able to update firmware, and the software clearly has found some images online to associate with tracks and albums (albeit the wrong ones) In some cases for little-known artists like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, or Santana, there are no images at all.

But seriously . . . I do have in my computer's FLAC files many classical and some rock, jazz, and pop albums for which I've had to add jpg images locally because they are on lesser-known labels and not available via online databases. Thus, my question above: is there a way to default to local images in MM and thereby avoid the cover art omissions or errors noted above?

Thanks very much to all for your advice,

Rich
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Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 4 Oct 2017, 11:13 pm
Hello  Rich. Great question. You read my mind.  8)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Oct 2017, 03:25 pm
Hi Rich,

Its online lookup capabilities have been altered, we use to have a universal system in place but the service is no longer available.  We have also started integrating Musicbrainz and other services they branch into for finding missing cover art, currently we are integrating this into the cd backup feature.  By default manic moose should grab cover art that is locally stored with the music files using the extensions jpeg, jpg or png.  Filenames can also be prioritised, by default they are folder, cover and front; and these values can be changed within media player settings.  If no file is found then it would attempt to look for embedded tags in the first track (album view) or currently playing track (default view), but it only checks a hand full of tag titles for an image file.

If your updating album art images they won't start to get used in the album view until the bryston db is reset or otherwise rebuilt, this will trigger the cached data that generates the artist view to be rebuilt.  This seems to be working for me and others, but I have had a few users report otherwise so if you find this doesn't help perhaps consider placing the bdp into service mode and email me the service id along with some example of albums that should have art but do not.

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: So There on 12 Oct 2017, 12:36 am
Sorry to delay in replying, Chris, et al.

With Napa, California fires, we lost internet, cell, landline, and power, so I haven't been able to respond to your message, Chris. Power and connectivity are restored but spotty. The utilities may need to cut power and other services due to the uncertain tracks of several fires, and we may need to evacuate. I'll reply when things are stable. Thanks for your patience.

Cheerio,

Rich
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Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Oct 2017, 12:42 am
Sorry to delay in replying, Chris, et al.

With Napa, California fires, we lost internet, cell, landline, and power, so I haven't been able to respond to your message, Chris. Power and connectivity are restored but spotty. The utilities may need to cut power and other services due to the uncertain tracks of several fires, and we may need to evacuate. I'll reply when things are stable. Thanks for your patience.

Cheerio,

Rich
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Fingers crossed Rich

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 12 Oct 2017, 02:11 pm
Fingers crossed Rich

james

Same here.  :(
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Hifiquest on 23 Oct 2017, 03:11 pm
Greetings,

Not sure if this is the correct thread to ask this question but.

I have just become the owner of a BDP-1 to replace my PC based music player. I must say that the level of sound quality is amazing in comparison.  The BDP-1 just works, plug in music and go. I am currently controlling with MPAD, gradually migrating to Soundriok as I am conscious that support for MPAD is not there for IOS11. The player works seamlessly with these apps. However I really want to be able to be less reliant on IOS apps and use MM which is a very attractive looking interface, but here lies my problem.

I am running the latest update of MM and my attached music storage is a 250GB flash drive with a second 2GB flash drive for a scratch drive. I cannot get the MM media player artist view to work. The Bryston database gets created and completes, however I then get a message that says “Unable to find DB”. The default song media player and navigation screen works fine and artwork is displayed correctly. I have tried many things to resolve including resetting the Bryston DB, resetting to factory defaults and then adding the drives to create the DB all without success, using the main 250GB disk as my scratch drive in case the separate 2GB was too small. I did get it to work by using a smaller drive (20GB) with 6 or so albums just as a test and the functionality is great.  My library is only around 3000 songs so not huge but when I go back to my actual music flash drive the DB builds to completion but then says “Unable to find Db”. I’m out of ideas now so any advice would be gratefully received.

Thanks

Dave
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bjski on 23 Oct 2017, 03:53 pm
Hi Chris,
The new beta edition S3.37 10-20 is fine on my IPad with my BDP-3 & 2. However on my laptops I get about 2/3 a screen for media player. The bottom part with the tittle name,bitrate,type,etc shows up when the playlist moves past approximately 35 songs in the queue. Try to make screen larger or smaller still same screen. Not sure if this has to do with new generic art work for missing art work.
Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bjski on 23 Oct 2017, 03:55 pm
Forgot to mention using mm. Do like the new feature but help didn’t work.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Oct 2017, 04:23 pm
Greetings,

Not sure if this is the correct thread to ask this question but.

I have just become the owner of a BDP-1 to replace my PC based music player. I must say that the level of sound quality is amazing in comparison.  The BDP-1 just works, plug in music and go. I am currently controlling with MPAD, gradually migrating to Soundriok as I am conscious that support for MPAD is not there for IOS11. The player works seamlessly with these apps. However I really want to be able to be less reliant on IOS apps and use MM which is a very attractive looking interface, but here lies my problem.

I am running the latest update of MM and my attached music storage is a 250GB flash drive with a second 2GB flash drive for a scratch drive. I cannot get the MM media player artist view to work. The Bryston database gets created and completes, however I then get a message that says “Unable to find DB”. The default song media player and navigation screen works fine and artwork is displayed correctly. I have tried many things to resolve including resetting the Bryston DB, resetting to factory defaults and then adding the drives to create the DB all without success, using the main 250GB disk as my scratch drive in case the separate 2GB was too small. I did get it to work by using a smaller drive (20GB) with 6 or so albums just as a test and the functionality is great.  My library is only around 3000 songs so not huge but when I go back to my actual music flash drive the DB builds to completion but then says “Unable to find Db”. I’m out of ideas now so any advice would be gratefully received.

Thanks

Dave

Hi Dave,

please place the bdp into service mode and email me the service id.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bjski on 23 Oct 2017, 06:08 pm
Chris it’s both BDP-2, BDP-3......which one would you like?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bjski on 23 Oct 2017, 06:09 pm
 Oppos, Not me sorry.....LOL
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Oct 2017, 06:42 pm
Oppos, Not me sorry.....LOL

no worries, i think i know which problem your having and it should be fixed in the next release.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Hifiquest on 23 Oct 2017, 09:09 pm
Hi Dave,

please place the bdp into service mode and email me the service id.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Chris

Email has been sent.

Thanks Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Hifiquest on 24 Oct 2017, 11:51 pm
All running perfectly. Really like the MM media player. Thanks again for fixing the issue Chris.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 27 Oct 2017, 01:38 pm
Chris,
     Since upgrading from MM2.34 to 2.36 on my Bdp-1 I find that when in artist view I am not able to develop a playlist by selecting individual songs.  When the song title is touched it immediately begins to play without being entered in a playlist.  Also i find that I can no longer add music to my locally attached hard drive via a remote location by attempting to connect to the server.  I get a message window that states" there was a problem connecting to the server "Bryston-bdp-1.local"  The server may not exist or it is unavailable at this time. Check the server name or IP address, check your network connection and try again."  I have done these things multiple times without success.  My bdp is configured in "man cave mode" with a local router not attached to the internet.  Please help.

Mark   
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bjski on 27 Oct 2017, 10:35 pm
no worries, i think i know which problem your having and it should be fixed in the next release.
Problem fixed,thanks Chris!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 1 Nov 2017, 01:41 pm
after installing the latest beta 27/10, my bdp-1 needed to rebuild the entire db... and wont succeed in doing so.
i starts off alright, but never finishes and after quitting it doesn't show the drives indexed. Only entries in red...


im talking default view here, havent had a look at album view yet ;-((


Chris, please have a look what could be amiss? maybe a bug introduced? never had this happen before.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Mbain on 4 Nov 2017, 07:17 pm
Marius,
     I have had nothing but trouble since upgrading firmware to 2.36.  Bdp no longer functions and has been non functional for a week.  Manic moose has been irritating from the beginning.  If I new this would be my experience when I purchased the unit I would have purchased something else.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 4 Nov 2017, 10:44 pm
Marius,
     I have had nothing but trouble since upgrading firmware to 2.36.  Bdp no longer functions and has been non functional for a week.  Manic moose has been irritating from the beginning.  If I new this would be my experience when I purchased the unit I would have purchased something else.


Sorry to hear that, sounds not good..
The issue i think i have (had) is caused because of me trying to run the BrystonDB while i know my library size exceeds the BDP1's capabilities :nono:


Before, building the Db came up to 35%. Now it takes it to 54% or so. So, all in all, Chris made it a lot better, but i will need to upgrade the BDP in the end to get to 100%. I hope. Still no certainty given by Chris. And the specs only mention 60K tracks i believe, though it was some time ago i checked.


Or buy something else of course ;-)


Anyways, chime in with Chris, and i'm sure he'll be able to help. For that's what your purchasing also when buying Bryston: ultimate customer service, like never or nowhere else seen before.


Cheerup,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rockyboy on 5 Nov 2017, 02:00 pm
Upon moving (with much trepidation) from MPOD to Manic Moose, I've noticed cleaner, more pronounced treble. I can't imagine that this is a result of using MM. but I have no other explanation. Or could it be a result of the latest firmware update? If it's just my imagination (running away with me), just say so.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 5 Nov 2017, 03:17 pm
^ Manic Moose is not to be equated to MPod -- the latter is just a user interface.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rockyboy on 5 Nov 2017, 03:47 pm
Sorry, I’m 67 and technically challenged. Hence my reluctance to download MM all these many moons. So......are you telling me that MM can/does effect SQ?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 5 Nov 2017, 05:51 pm
So......are you telling me that MM can/does effect SQ?

No sir.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: NorthMac on 14 Nov 2017, 11:43 pm
I check into this forum only infrequently, as I actually enjoy listening to music more than making changes to firmware that works, and I have read most of the posts here (too many to claim all) and the thread "end of MM" .  I admit to being very disappointed to where the MM interface has evolved to, after several years, it is in my view inferior to the original MPad as a simple means of finding, and playing, your digital music.  My music is properly tagged with consistent album names, cover jpgs, and my own 14 genres - MPad let me quickly decide which sort method was fastest to find what I was looking for, or which genre I just wanted to browse.  There is no single sort that works always - having rapid choice of which tags to sort means that your digital music is accessible quickly.

After goodness know how many iterations of MM and its predecessors, there is still only "Artist" as a sort option, and genre seems missing in action... may as well not even have these tags.  Why is Bryston constantly fiddling with internet integration, Tidal, etc when the most basic methods of accessing your own music (which after all is why the BDP series was developed) are not there yet?

I know that this forum has many constant contributors who help debug new firmware and suggest changes, however I also noticed that at least some of these super users access music only by browsing their folder structure.  To each their own obviously, but to me this is just a waste of the power of digital metadata, and it appears to me that MM in its current state (I am one version back) has failed in one of its most basic functions, rapid access to a large library of digital music files with multiple sorting options.  That the default view is a browser rather than a sort of tags is telling.

It is inevitable that the original BDP-1 will end up with a "final" firmware, due to the limitations of its memory and chip.  Can we at least ensure that the "final" firmware does at least what MPad did for so many years?  I very much enjoy my BDP-1, and would entertain an upgrade at some point, but I also want to see that Bryston can take the software side of this new equipment as seriously as they take the hardware side, and I honestly am not seeing the two pieces at an equal level of quality now.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pundamilia on 15 Nov 2017, 03:36 am
Well said! :thumb:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: dznutz on 15 Nov 2017, 10:55 pm
I check into this forum only infrequently, as I actually enjoy listening to music more than making changes to firmware that works, and I have read most of the posts here (too many to claim all) and the thread "end of MM" .  I admit to being very disappointed to where the MM interface has evolved to, after several years, it is in my view inferior to the original MPad as a simple means of finding, and playing, your digital music.  My music is properly tagged with consistent album names, cover jpgs, and my own 14 genres - MPad let me quickly decide which sort method was fastest to find what I was looking for, or which genre I just wanted to browse.  There is no single sort that works always - having rapid choice of which tags to sort means that your digital music is accessible quickly.

After goodness know how many iterations of MM and its predecessors, there is still only "Artist" as a sort option, and genre seems missing in action... may as well not even have these tags.  Why is Bryston constantly fiddling with internet integration, Tidal, etc when the most basic methods of accessing your own music (which after all is why the BDP series was developed) are not there yet?

I know that this forum has many constant contributors who help debug new firmware and suggest changes, however I also noticed that at least some of these super users access music only by browsing their folder structure.  To each their own obviously, but to me this is just a waste of the power of digital metadata, and it appears to me that MM in its current state (I am one version back) has failed in one of its most basic functions, rapid access to a large library of digital music files with multiple sorting options.  That the default view is a browser rather than a sort of tags is telling.

It is inevitable that the original BDP-1 will end up with a "final" firmware, due to the limitations of its memory and chip.  Can we at least ensure that the "final" firmware does at least what MPad did for so many years?  I very much enjoy my BDP-1, and would entertain an upgrade at some point, but I also want to see that Bryston can take the software side of this new equipment as seriously as they take the hardware side, and I honestly am not seeing the two pieces at an equal level of quality now.

If you are so unhappy with the bryston software then what digital player are you using?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: NorthMac on 15 Nov 2017, 11:59 pm
If you are so unhappy with the bryston software then what digital player are you using?

If you mean what interface, MPad, till it was recently buried, now Soundirok which is close to MPad. If you mean what actual player, a BDP obviously (1 in my case).  To be clear I love the Bryston hardware, I just think that 5 years into the digital player world, the company needs to seriously decide how it can compete with software and interface, and in a way that does not depend on 3rd parties which, as we just saw with MPad, can just decide to do other things tomorrow.  As my audio dealer noted recently, “the interface certainly doesn’t sell these things”. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ola_S on 16 Nov 2017, 09:29 am
I'm also a very frustrated user, I was using MPOD (and was happy with that) until I had to update my IPhone. When using MM my first 30-40 artist or so are just numbers, albums with various artist are divided and I have to scroll through the file structure to play the whole album. Some albums are completely missing in the database. For the kind of money we are talking about here, the usability is just not good enough. I have installed Soundirok as well but it is not close to MPOD imho. The Tidal integration into MM is also very buggy with dropouts etc.

I have tried the BDP-2 as a ROON endpoint, ROON manages to sort my library correct but the audio quality is unfortunately significantly worse than with MDP.

I have started to look elsewhere for a solution that actually works but I hope Bryston can sort out MM so it works reasonably well. In terms of sound quality I’m happy with my BDP-2 (in MPD-mode).   
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Ola_S on 18 Nov 2017, 05:32 pm
So I have to take some of my criticism back! :duh: Today I spent several hours trying to go through my files and the metadata was kind of bad in many cases. I have edited a lot manually and it looks better now. The BDP-2 still does not find files it should find since they have accurate metadata. I have to investigate more into this and try to finish the databas overhaul tomorrow. The Tidal problems remains
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: dznutz on 18 Nov 2017, 11:55 pm
I think most people are expecting too much from the BDP, it cant do everything perfectly.  For me, the BDP2 replaced me spinning disks.  I have an internal drive, load music onto it via my network, and play the files.  In this regard it works perfectly, atleast for me.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 19 Nov 2017, 12:31 am
+1
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 19 Nov 2017, 03:12 pm
...

I have tried the BDP-2 as a ROON endpoint, ROON manages to sort my library correct but the audio quality is unfortunately significantly worse than with MDP.


I would have agreed with you, using an earlier version of the BDP firmware that incorporated an earlier version of the Roon software (raat_app).

But, with later versions of BPD and Roon, I think the sound quality is on par with MPD playback.

Here is something you can try: go into the Roon app and completely disable ALL DSP functions (i.e. the top most slider on the DSP settings for the audio device).

There is quite a bit of chatter on the Roon community forums that the DSP functions may be degrading SQ. As always, YMMV.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 25 Nov 2017, 03:29 pm
FYI, Updated to:

S2.37 2017-11-23
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010

I rebuilt everything: cleared cache and reset bryston DB. When I load the Artists View, all I see is this (forever):

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171807)

For what it's worth, here are my Bryston DB settings (yes, I tried turning things on/off, but nothing worked):


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171808)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Nov 2017, 04:24 pm
Here's mine with 11/23


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171819)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171820)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 25 Nov 2017, 05:11 pm
^ That doesn't look like 11/23 to me, because it's missing the letters/index-jump on the left-hand side of the list of Artists.

A cool feature, btw, which is what prompted me to try it out.

EDIT: I reverted back to:

S2.36 2017-10-06
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010

...and I still have the same problem. Also, the Settings dialog is reporting "Space Used: 52%". I previously did a factory reset, but that doesn't seem to have changed anything.

I don't know what to do from here, except disable the Bryston DB and just use Soundirok. Sorry... I'm sure everyone is feeling chilled from the Larry Dickman's thread on Bryston cultists, but I am frustrated trying to make MM work for me.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Nov 2017, 07:50 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171825)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 25 Nov 2017, 09:09 pm
^ That doesn't look like 11/23 to me, because it's missing the letters/index-jump on the left-hand side of the list of Artists.

A cool feature, btw, which is what prompted me to try it out.

EDIT: I reverted back to:

S2.36 2017-10-06
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010

...and I still have the same problem. Also, the Settings dialog is reporting "Space Used: 52%". I previously did a factory reset, but that doesn't seem to have changed anything.

I don't know what to do from here, except disable the Bryston DB and just use Soundirok. Sorry... I'm sure everyone is feeling chilled from the Larry Dickman's thread on Bryston cultists, but I am frustrated trying to make MM work for me.

Hi Ken,

The letter thing is found in the artist view section of the setting which is separate from the bryston db portion, those little drop down menus that separate the various settings.  It looks like something has happened to your mediaplayer.set file (found in the user share).  Regarding what happened to your settings my guess is somethings gone wrong with the mediaplayer.set (found in the user network share), a copy of it would help.

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 26 Nov 2017, 01:55 am
^ Thanks, Chris. Here is my mediaplayer.set:

artisit_view_album_sort;title
tag_data_library;0
dis_res_library;1
setting_playlist_jump_to;1
setting_album_tag_to_use;albumartist
cover_art_priority_one;folder
cover_art_priority_two;cover
cover_art_priority_three;front
media_player_marquee_title;0
check_database_dif;0
crossfade;0
enable_bryston_api;1
merge_similar_genres;0
bryston_db_disable;1
just_added;0
invert_interface;0
altSort;2
altJump;2
bryston_db_cover_disable;0
bryston_msg_mp_enable;0
enable_bryston_api;1
artist_view_artist_list_menu;1
bryston_db_auto_fill;0

...and here is an image showing the entire contents of the USER folder:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171866)

The only change I've made was to add some *.m3U playlists and I've added the last line to mpdplayback.set:

repeat;0
random;0
single;0
consume;0
buffer_before_play;15%

...to help with 192/24 playback stuttering issues.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 26 Nov 2017, 01:57 am
^ Thanks, Chris. Here is my mediaplayer.set:

artisit_view_album_sort;title
tag_data_library;0
dis_res_library;1
setting_playlist_jump_to;1
setting_album_tag_to_use;albumartist
cover_art_priority_one;folder
cover_art_priority_two;cover
cover_art_priority_three;front
media_player_marquee_title;0
check_database_dif;0
crossfade;0
enable_bryston_api;1
merge_similar_genres;0
bryston_db_disable;1
just_added;0
invert_interface;0
altSort;2
altJump;2
bryston_db_cover_disable;0
bryston_msg_mp_enable;0
enable_bryston_api;1
artist_view_artist_list_menu;1
bryston_db_auto_fill;0

...I have re-enabled Bryston DB and Music Scraper; reset the DB and let it finish, then looked at the above file. Same symptom: Loading forever.

Here is an image showing the entire contents of the USER folder:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171866)

The only change I've made was to add some *.m3U playlists and I've added the last line to mpdplayback.set:

repeat;0
random;0
single;0
consume;0
buffer_before_play;15%

...to help with 192/24 playback stuttering issues.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 26 Nov 2017, 04:12 am
^ Thanks, Chris. Here is my mediaplayer.set:

artisit_view_album_sort;title
tag_data_library;0
dis_res_library;1
setting_playlist_jump_to;1
setting_album_tag_to_use;albumartist
cover_art_priority_one;folder
cover_art_priority_two;cover
cover_art_priority_three;front
media_player_marquee_title;0
check_database_dif;0
crossfade;0
enable_bryston_api;1
merge_similar_genres;0
bryston_db_disable;1
just_added;0
invert_interface;0
altSort;2
altJump;2
bryston_db_cover_disable;0
bryston_msg_mp_enable;0
enable_bryston_api;1
artist_view_artist_list_menu;1
bryston_db_auto_fill;0

...and here is an image showing the entire contents of the USER folder:


The only change I've made was to add some *.m3U playlists and I've added the last line to mpdplayback.set:

repeat;0
random;0
single;0
consume;0
buffer_before_play;15%

...to help with 192/24 playback stuttering issues.

your file appears intact and works fine on my BDP-Pi.

This occur regardless of which artist you select, it never loads? 

you could try deleting this file.

/mnt/img/restore/settings/artistview_last_artist

otherwise i might need you to place your bdp into service mode and email me the service id.

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 26 Nov 2017, 05:08 pm
^ Thanks, Chris. Tried that... no change. I've placed the BDP-1 into service mode and will PM you the ID.

EDIT: and, yes, clicking on different artists just shows Loading...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 26 Nov 2017, 11:20 pm
I've placed the BDP-1 into service mode and will PM you the ID.


Thanks, Chris. Looks like you fixed something, as I can go into Artists View and it loads immediately.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Nov 2017, 05:23 pm
Thanks, Chris. Looks like you fixed something, as I can go into Artists View and it loads immediately.

He Ken,

Yah the firmware wasn't taking into account if the bryston.db (contains the association of artist names to musicbrianz id's) was of a length of 0 bytes.  I'm still not sure what caused this oddity to occur, but we can certainly add check for this state before loading.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 28 Nov 2017, 01:56 pm
^ Just a quick FYI: after things were working on the current stable release, I updated to the latest BETA (11/27?).

Update worked fine, in regards to the issue we've been discussing.

However, I noticed something new: in the Artist View, we are back to the problem of non-English characters causing problems with (i.) Album Art display and (ii.) Album/Artist titles being corrupted. This is similar to what I've reported in the past, and has been fixed in the stable release.

For what it's worth, I went back to 10/07 (stable release), rebuilt the Bryston DB and the Artist View displays all non-English titles/album art, correctly.

Thanks for your help, Ken.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 6 Dec 2017, 03:03 pm
Last night I upgraded the MPD file and after that the album art showed up.  :duh: 8) The BDP-2 is a serious digital player. However, even without the album art, I find the folder system to work just fine and it is really all I need. I guess my point is that there is nothing wrong with Manic Moose.  :D
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 7 Dec 2017, 06:47 pm
^ Just a quick FYI: after things were working on the current stable release, I updated to the latest BETA (11/27?).

Update worked fine, in regards to the issue we've been discussing.

However, I noticed something new: in the Artist View, we are back to the problem of non-English characters causing problems with (i.) Album Art display and (ii.) Album/Artist titles being corrupted. This is similar to what I've reported in the past, and has been fixed in the stable release.

For what it's worth, I went back to 10/07 (stable release), rebuilt the Bryston DB and the Artist View displays all non-English titles/album art, correctly.

Thanks for your help, Ken.

k, i think i see whats going on
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 20 Dec 2017, 12:29 pm
I'm on S2.37 2017-12-16 with my BDP1 and getting an odd problem I haven't noticed before.
When using  the file type option in default  view, I can no longer click on a folder to add its contents to the playlist, but I can go into the folder and add individual files, which play successfully.  Even odder, I'm also seeing some  folder names under the type option that do not appear under the full list in the general default view.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bjski on 22 Dec 2017, 04:35 pm
Chris, tried to update to the version of beta 12/21 with my BDP-3 and BDP-2. The new beta version would not load any of my hard drives. I restarted MPD updated each hard drive to no avail. On the BDP-3 must check MPD yet still didn't work. Went back to the 12/18 release which loaded both the BDP-3 and BDP-2.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: bjski on 25 Dec 2017, 04:10 pm
Chris, Beta 12/23 fixed the loading problem with both the BDP-2 and BDP-3.
Merry Christmas!
Cheers,
BJ
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 26 Dec 2017, 08:35 am
I'm on S2.37 2017-12-16 with my BDP1 and getting an odd problem I haven't noticed before.
When using  the file type option in default  view, I can no longer click on a folder to add its contents to the playlist, but I can go into the folder and add individual files, which play successfully.  Even odder, I'm also seeing some  folder names under the type option that do not appear under the full list in the general default view.

Can anyone help  with  or replicate the above?  I've since  realised that what appear to be folder names under the "type" view aren't actual  folder names (folder names under main default view are fine, and use file names over tags is enabled).  I tried moving to the latest stable release but then the "type" view was unusable, just returning lots of "diamond" characters regardless of browser used.  I have to confess that issues  like this, along with increased occurrence of the BDP just hanging, are really beginning to turn me off my BDP1.  I wonder if the latest FW, both stable and beta,  is just too much for  the BDP1?  Maybe an older stable release could be made available for us BDP1 users to revert too (at #BDP1 for example)?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Dec 2017, 11:51 am
Can anyone help  with  or replicate the above?  I've since  realised that what appear to be folder names under the "type" view aren't actual  folder names (folder names under main default view are fine, and use file names over tags is enabled).  I tried moving to the latest stable release but then the "type" view was unusable, just returning lots of "diamond" characters regardless of browser used.  I have to confess that issues  like this, along with increased occurrence of the BDP just hanging, are really beginning to turn me off my BDP1.  I wonder if the latest FW, both stable and beta,  is just too much for  the BDP1?  Maybe an older stable release could be made available for us BDP1 users to revert too (at #BDP1 for example)?

Hi Norton

Yes a lot of the new features being added need much more processing power than the BDP-1.  I will let Chris answer but maybe a retro MM software site might make sense.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 26 Dec 2017, 11:29 pm
Can anyone help  with  or replicate the above?  I've since  realised that what appear to be folder names under the "type" view aren't actual  folder names (folder names under main default view are fine, and use file names over tags is enabled).  I tried moving to the latest stable release but then the "type" view was unusable, just returning lots of "diamond" characters regardless of browser used. I have to confess that issues  like this, along with increased occurrence of the BDP just hanging, are really beginning to turn me off my BDP1.  I wonder if the latest FW, both stable and beta,  is just too much for  the BDP1?  Maybe an older stable release could be made available for us BDP1 users to revert too (at #BDP1 for example)?

That means you need to Reset the Bryston DB and let it rebuild.

After you rebuild the bryston DB, you will see normal text. This is a side-effect of updating between the last, stable release and newer BETA builds.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 26 Dec 2017, 11:36 pm
Just updated to the latest BETA build.

I really like where this is going, showing folder.jpg files in place of the generic folder in Media View.

I updated the folder image name to include "thumb"; I've started putting artist images as thumb.jpg to show artist images, at the artist folder level, since I've been using Soundirok.

One suggestion: I also have higher level folder.jpg images for genre folders and thumb drives. It would be great to see those show up when browsing by folder, instead of Manic Moose displaying the first album folder it finds three levels down.

Finally, not all of the album folders are displaying, but maybe there are size restrictions.

Anyway, nice first step in this direction...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 27 Dec 2017, 12:32 am
Oh, and I discovered something else w/

S2.37 2017-12-23
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010

I cannot browse my playlists. When I click on the playlists folder, it just says Loading... forever. I can click somewhere else and it continues to work.

For what it's worth, I can browse/play the same playlists just fine with Soundirok.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 27 Dec 2017, 06:05 pm
That means you need to Reset the Bryston DB and let it rebuild.

After you rebuild the bryston DB, you will see normal text. This is a side-effect of updating between the last, stable release and newer BETA builds.

I didn't think that the default view, including the  file type option, had anything to do with the Bryston DB?  As I recall ( I may be wrong) the default /file type option used to work even with Bryston DB disabled.

As a matter of interest, in the  "type" option of the default view, do you see folder names as you would expect to see them and can you add a complete folder to the playlist?  Neither is true for me at the moment (although basic default view is fine) .  Type view has been important, allowing me just to browse DSD for example.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Dec 2017, 10:58 pm
Can anyone help  with  or replicate the above?  I've since  realised that what appear to be folder names under the "type" view aren't actual  folder names (folder names under main default view are fine, and use file names over tags is enabled).  I tried moving to the latest stable release but then the "type" view was unusable, just returning lots of "diamond" characters regardless of browser used.  I have to confess that issues  like this, along with increased occurrence of the BDP just hanging, are really beginning to turn me off my BDP1.  I wonder if the latest FW, both stable and beta,  is just too much for  the BDP1?  Maybe an older stable release could be made available for us BDP1 users to revert too (at #BDP1 for example)?

You just need to use the "reset db" option found in mediaplayer settings.  Typically I would role over a version value that would trigger this once the firmware goes stable.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Dec 2017, 11:22 pm
Bryston DB, unless you click on the name of one of your drives your navigating by the bryston DB.  As soon as you stop seeing names of usb/network drives and before you see TIDAL/favourites/playlists all those options come from the Bryson DB.  Bryston DB in the current stable form is derived from data collected by MPD.  Bryston DB in the current testing release first takes what mpd has available, creates statistics based on what it See's and attempts to fill in the blanks.  If artist, album, track or track number is missing it'll attempt to use parts of the file path to fill these in.  If albumartist or genre are missing, it will attempt to match existing piecse (artist, album, track name, track number) to entries in musicbrainz to find matches.  If genre is not found, it'll grab genres for the first ten albums and use the one that most commonly appears.  If the albumartist value can't be confirmed or found it will attempt to use statistics collected earlier to figure out which foldername should be used.  I believe that's what I have completed so far, it's been super hectic last couple of months.  Next it's my intention to build an interface allowing users to change these values and fill in ones that are still missing.  Keep in mind these values aren't generated unless the bdp/mpd can't find them.  These bdp generated values aren't applied to your music files or even files stored on your drive, but a database file stored in user space (bdp's internal storage).  I hope this clears things up, as usual constructive feedback is all ways welcome.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 28 Dec 2017, 12:33 am
Bryston DB, unless you click on the name of one of your drives your navigating by the bryston DB.  As soon as you stop seeing names of usb/network drives and before you see TIDAL/favourites/playlists all those options come from the Bryson DB.  Bryston DB in the current stable form is derived from data collected by MPD.  Bryston DB in the current testing release first takes what mpd has available, creates statistics based on what it See's and attempts to fill in the blanks.  If artist, album, track or track number is missing it'll attempt to use parts of the file path to fill these in.  If albumartist or genre are missing, it will attempt to match existing piecse (artist, album, track name, track number) to entries in musicbrainz to find matches.  If genre is not found, it'll grab genres for the first ten albums and use the one that most commonly appears.  If the albumartist value can't be confirmed or found it will attempt to use statistics collected earlier to figure out which foldername should be used.  I believe that's what I have completed so far, it's been super hectic last couple of months.  Next it's my intention to build an interface allowing users to change these values and fill in ones that are still missing.  Keep in mind these values aren't generated unless the bdp/mpd can't find them.  These bdp generated values aren't applied to your music files or even files stored on your drive, but a database file stored in user space (bdp's internal storage).  I hope this clears things up, as usual constructive feedback is all ways welcome.

Not sure if this is in response to my query, but if so it doesn't  really clear things up.  My basic issue is that I used to be able to go into the file type option and add a complete album via the "+" next to the Album name.  Now, this no longer works and the only way  is to go into the album and add the individual files one by one.  This is an observation rather than feedback or criticism. It's quite likely that I have set some parameter incorrectly, I just need to know what.
However, as you mention feedback, overall my BDP1 seems much less reliable now, frequently locking up, particularly when using the "back" function which often  results in it getting stuck in a permanent "loading" message which can only  be resolved by rebooting the machine.  My feeling is that the BDP is now only borderline usable and I find myself reverting to my disc player more and more often, for hassle-free listening.  Hence I wondered if the BDP1  is being overwhelmed by recent MM releases, and  whether making an older stable  MM release available might help?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Dec 2017, 01:23 am
Does reverting to the current stable release not help?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 29 Dec 2017, 08:04 am
Does reverting to the current stable release not help?

I'm not with the machine at the moment but will try again next week and allow Bryston DB time to rebuild.  I did revert back to stable release but when I saw the "diamond" characters in type view I  presumed it was part of same problem and didn't pursue.  In terms if settings, can you confirm  what the 2 "scraper" options do and whether I should enable or not?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Dec 2017, 02:49 pm
The first turns on scraping and the scraping allows the bdp to go online and grab data about artists and albums within your database, normally this is done as you browse your library.  The auto scraper grabs artist info for each artist after the bryston db is built, you should see additional messages appear after the bryston db message is built.  I’ve also added additional messages while the bdp is rendering views for the column on the right of the default view.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 29 Dec 2017, 04:45 pm
Thanks, noting that my BDP1 freezes  quite a bit these days (usually on back function)  would it be wisest  to disable the scraper options, or indeed simply disable the Bryston DB completely?  I get the sense that MM has moved so far from what the BDP1 was originally conceived to do as to impact upon performance, hence my suggestion of making legacy FW available (as I recall, my BDP worked fine with  the February 2017 stable build, for example)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Dec 2017, 12:12 am
Thanks, noting that my BDP1 freezes  quite a bit these days (usually on back function)  would it be wisest  to disable the scraper options, or indeed simply disable the Bryston DB completely?  I get the sense that MM has moved so far from what the BDP1 was originally conceived to do as to impact upon performance, hence my suggestion of making legacy FW available (as I recall, my BDP worked fine with  the February 2017 stable build, for example)

I’m going to fire up my bdp-1 again sometime next week and test it out, but this weeks beta also includes some additional feedback that may help to verify if the bdp is locking up or perhaps just busy rendering a view
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 30 Dec 2017, 06:00 pm
S2.37 2017-12-28
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010

This BETA is a sweet improvement for folder browsing. I have a thumb.jpg (Artists) and a folder.jpg (Genre & Album) and these all show up beautifully. I really like this look.

After updating, I had to recopy my playlists over (it looks like the update really wiped all of my settings, et al., but that's OK - you might want to warn folks before this build goes into a stable release). But once I did that, playlists worked fine.

The only thing I am noticing on Media View, when browsing by Genre or Album Artist, is that you are separating albums by ARTIST instead of ALBUM ARTIST, which I have selected in the settings. This results in LOTS of duplicate albums.

One last item: in Artist View, I can not load the Artist 'Til Tuesday (note the leading single quote).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 3 Jan 2018, 12:52 pm
I’m going to fire up my bdp-1 again sometime next week and test it out, but this weeks beta also includes some additional feedback that may help to verify if the bdp is locking up or perhaps just busy rendering a view

Thanks, I'm back with my BDP1 now, have reverted to latest stable build and all seems fine now.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 3 Jan 2018, 04:15 pm
S2.37 2017-12-28
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010

This BETA is a sweet improvement for folder browsing. I have a thumb.jpg (Artists) and a folder.jpg (Genre & Album) and these all show up beautifully. I really like this look.

After updating, I had to recopy my playlists over (it looks like the update really wiped all of my settings, et al., but that's OK - you might want to warn folks before this build goes into a stable release). But once I did that, playlists worked fine.


I also like seeing my artist.jpg images showing up in the artist view. It was working great. However for some reason they have reverted back to the first album cover alphabetically for each artist (folder.jpg), and I can no longer get the artist.jpg to show up.

I also saw all of my playlists wiped with the Dec. 28 update.

Would it be possible to have the same kind of alphabet pick list down the side of the default view (similar to the optional one in the artist view)? It is much easier to use than the pulldown that currently exists, and is more consistent UI.

Somehow you have to get rid of the double scrolls that appear on the right side of the screen in the default view. That is really rough to use.

Question... should the dashboard v2 be working these days? I tried it and it seems to show only a subset of my covers. Is there a limit (like the first 500 maybe?) to the number of covers it will show?

Slowly getting better.

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Jan 2018, 12:21 am
Thanks, I'm back with my BDP1 now, have reverted to latest stable build and all seems fine now.

What about the most recent testing build?    I added a bunch of feedback.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Norton on 4 Jan 2018, 11:21 pm
What about the most recent testing build?    I added a bunch of feedback.

Funnily enough, I tried it just now with the latest beta and it seemed to work fine - not hanging, "folders" in type view look normal and can be added whole to playlist etc.

Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 8 Jan 2018, 08:13 am

This BETA is a sweet improvement for folder browsing. I have a thumb.jpg (Artists) and a folder.jpg (Genre & Album) and these all show up beautifully. I really like this look.



O yes, this most certainly is very nice!
Havent been playing much lately, and this is a very encouraging comeback. Thanks Chris, awesome.
Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Robert D on 8 Jan 2018, 09:59 pm
Happy New Year All All the very Best for 2018

Chris, will this Beta be ready for Down Load

As a Keeper not a Beta


Let me know
Regards Robert
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 21 Jan 2018, 12:18 am
Manic Moose background image loading is causing stuttering playback in Media View.

I am using:

S2.37 2018-01-18
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010

I have a playlist that mixes 192/24 and 44.1/16 tracks from the Eagles. I can playback these tracks, without issue, from my thumb drives using Soundirok. These thumb drives test out at roughly 14 MB/sec on my BDP-1.

However, with Manic Moose being used for playback, the 192/24 tracks exhibit stuttering during playback while Manic Moose is loading the background image. As soon as that image is loaded and displayed, the stuttering stops and playback continues normally.

The image to which I refer is NOT the album cover, it's something you are pulling from a web source and displaying (a little blurred / expanded) BEHIND the album cover.

Maybe in the interests of best sound quality, don't be pulling stuff down from the Internet during local music playback.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jan 2018, 11:52 am
Hi Krutsch

I am using the new software as well and no issues with stuttering although not loading the background might be a better choice or maybe an option?

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 21 Jan 2018, 10:17 pm
Hi Krutsch

I am using the new software as well and no issues with stuttering although not loading the background might be a better choice or maybe an option?

james

On a BDP-1 with 192/24 files?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jan 2018, 11:26 pm
On a BDP-1 with 192/24 files?

Ah - sorry no I am using the BDA3.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 28 Jan 2018, 12:52 am
Having trouble with mybryston.com lately.
Used to always work perfectly with my bdp-1. Got a bdp-2 and removed the bdp-1. Was working beautifully for a while with the bdp-2. Then my ip changed for the player in my network (using the bdp dongle) when i rebooted my router and mybryston.com now shows the bdp-1 and the bdp-2 (with the old ip address) as unavailable. No bdp-2 with the new address. I have even rebooted my router again, which causes yet another ip change with same mybryston.com result. No bdp-2 with new address.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Grit on 28 Jan 2018, 03:55 am
I've no idea how to fix this (never used mybryston.com with my equipment), BUT I'd suggest you go into your router and use the settings to reserve the same IP address to your bryston equipment all the time. In the future, that'll help avoid problems. And doing it right now shouldn't impede your ability to fix the current issue.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 28 Jan 2018, 02:12 pm
Thanks for the response.

I know that I can use a static IP address. I prefer DHCP for a number of reasons.

This always worked before. That is what I like about mybryston.com. It has been an unfailing way to get to my player, no matter what ip the router gave it. Not this time though. It seems stuck on the old IP address.

Any chance it has to do with a change of device name? I may have done that along the way.

Cheers
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: artur9 on 28 Jan 2018, 03:50 pm
I know that I can use a static IP address. I prefer DHCP for a number of reasons.

I set a "static" IP via my DHCP server based on my BDP-1's MAC address.  Is that no good for you?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 29 Jan 2018, 05:14 pm
Thanks for the response.

I know that I can use a static IP address. I prefer DHCP for a number of reasons.

This always worked before. That is what I like about mybryston.com. It has been an unfailing way to get to my player, no matter what ip the router gave it. Not this time though. It seems stuck on the old IP address.

Any chance it has to do with a change of device name? I may have done that along the way.

Cheers

If you place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id i can implement a temporary fix until our next firmware update which should fix this.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf (page 24)

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Calypte on 29 Jan 2018, 09:07 pm
After I changed my BDP-pi to a static IP address, I couldn't connect to it at all, not even when I plugged it directly into the main router.  I had to reset it to the default settings with the front-panel buttons.  I won't make that mistake again!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jan 2018, 12:00 am
You can always try IP address reservation, it should be a feature built into your router.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Calypte on 30 Jan 2018, 01:45 am
It ain't broke now.  I won't mess with it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 4 Feb 2018, 03:07 pm
If you place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id i can implement a temporary fix until our next firmware update which should fix this.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf (page 24)

Chris

I loaded the build from Feb.1 and mybryston.com still will not find my player. I even did a new factory reset and reloaded all of my settings and it still doesn't work.

Biggeek
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: zoom25 on 15 Feb 2018, 05:57 pm
I updated the BDP-1 to the latest firmware version today. How do I make this go away? They keep popping up one after the other.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176160)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Feb 2018, 06:06 pm
I updated the BDP-1 to the latest firmware version today. How do I make this go away? They keep popping up

Delete your tidal login credentials

I hadn’t realized this was a thing
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Feb 2018, 06:07 pm
I loaded the build from Feb.1 and mybryston.com still will not find my player. I even did a new factory reset and reloaded all of my settings and it still doesn't work.

Biggeek

What about the feb 13 update?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: zoom25 on 15 Feb 2018, 06:11 pm
Delete your tidal login credentials

I hadn’t realized this was a thing

Yeah, I logged out and it worked.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 24 Feb 2018, 02:13 pm
Running: S2.37 2018-02-13

I just wanted to bump the "Album Artist" issue with the Media Player.

In the Bryston DB settings, I definitely have Album Artist selected for sorting:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176592)

...but when I browse by genre in the Default View, it looks like this:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176593)

...as these files have different ARTISTS for tracks, but same ALBUMARTIST for the album.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Calypte on 2 Mar 2018, 06:27 pm
Why is it that Windows Media Player is able to find cover art somewhere in the aether, but Manic Moose cannot?  The only cover art I see in Manic Moose is that which I received with downloads.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 2 Mar 2018, 10:05 pm


...as these files have different ARTISTS for tracks, but same ALBUMARTIST for the album.

Does not the CD have one album artist cover?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Calypte on 3 Mar 2018, 03:43 am
I don't know what to make of Mr. gbaby's latest comment.  My collection is about 98% classical music.  "Artist" view and "AlbumArtist" view don't have much meaning, except whatever the "reset db" function generates.   But even the pop items don't come up with cover art.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 6 Mar 2018, 04:35 pm
This has nothing to do with cover art.

This is displaying an ALBUM as a single collection of tracks, under the Genre view. Many of my albums (e.g. the example shown) are from multiple artists, per track, but have a single ALBUMARTIST for searching/indexing.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Mar 2018, 05:22 pm
Running: S2.37 2018-02-13

I just wanted to bump the "Album Artist" issue with the Media Player.

In the Bryston DB settings, I definitely have Album Artist selected for sorting:

...but when I browse by genre in the Default View, it looks like this:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176593)

...as these files have different ARTISTS for tracks, but same ALBUMARTIST for the album.

This should be resolved in thursdays release, a rebuild might be required, but otherwise should be resolved.

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 6 Mar 2018, 07:46 pm
This has nothing to do with cover art.

This is displaying an ALBUM as a single collection of tracks, under the Genre view. Many of my albums (e.g. the example shown) are from multiple artists, per track, but have a single ALBUMARTIST for searching/indexing.

And, this is what I was talking about except Krutsch was more explicit.  :)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 7 Mar 2018, 05:33 pm
This should be resolved in thursdays release, a rebuild might be required, but otherwise should be resolved.

Chris

Thank You! I will completely rebuild and post back my results, after Thursday.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Calypte on 9 Mar 2018, 05:55 am
I'd like to buy a tablet specifically to run the MM software.  What is the minimum required memory?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Mar 2018, 04:28 am
This should be resolved in thursdays release, a rebuild might be required, but otherwise should be resolved.

Chris

Fixed. Thanks!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rockyboy on 14 Mar 2018, 12:16 pm
There must be a view by album. I have only a view by artist. Where have I gone wrong?  I’m using an iPad with Manic Moose.   Thanks John
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 14 Mar 2018, 03:11 pm
Has the 2.37 version of Manic Moose been officially released?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 14 Mar 2018, 03:11 pm
Has the 2.37 version of Manic Moose been officially released? It does not show up on my firmware update.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Mar 2018, 05:49 pm
There must be a view by album. I have only a view by artist. Where have I gone wrong?  I’m using an iPad with Manic Moose.   Thanks John

Still in "testing", so in testing you need to read the documentation on how to activate it using a special URL

to enable
http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=2
to revert to stable
http://bryston-bdp-2.local/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=1

don't forget to update "bryston-bdp-2.local" with the correct value or ip address of your BDP
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Mar 2018, 05:52 pm
Has the 2.37 version of Manic Moose been officially released?

Versions of the firmware the end with an odd value like S2.37 are considered development builds (aka beta, aka testing) and aren't just available to anyone.  With that said we always appreciate constructive feedback and welcome users to try out these builds just so long as they are aware that the software isn't considered finished and that they can revert back to the most recent stable release.  Please see the below link for instructions to install the current test build.

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rockyboy on 14 Mar 2018, 07:05 pm
Hi Chris
Regarding your response... you directed me to a URL for a BDP-2. What if I only own a BDP-1?
Thanks John
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Mar 2018, 10:25 pm
What if I only own a BDP-1?

don't forget to update "bryston-bdp-2.local" with the correct value or ip address of your BDP
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gil99 on 15 Mar 2018, 08:53 pm
Call Chris today to upgrade my friend BDP-1 player from s1.17 to 2.36 and received top notch customer service. Thank you Chris for your time and patience, everything is working fine now.  Again Bryston qualify for best customer service and support for their product.  Thank you

Gilles V.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rockyboy on 16 Mar 2018, 01:33 am
Sorry Chris but you lost me. I have the latest update 2017-12-18 on my BDP-1. Now what?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Mar 2018, 02:46 pm
Sorry Chris but you lost me. I have the latest update 2017-12-18 on my BDP-1. Now what?

Whats the IP address assigned to your BDP?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 16 Mar 2018, 03:00 pm
Versions of the firmware the end with an odd value like S2.37 are considered development builds (aka beta, aka testing) and aren't just available to anyone.  With that said we always appreciate constructive feedback and welcome users to try out these builds just so long as they are aware that the software isn't considered finished and that they can revert back to the most recent stable release.  Please see the below link for instructions to install the current test build.

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248

Chris

Thank you.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rockyboy on 17 Mar 2018, 01:25 am
Is it?

eth010.0.0.12
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Mar 2018, 02:47 pm
Is it?

eth010.0.0.12


to enable
http://10.0.0.12/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=2
to revert to stable
http://10.0.0.12/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=1
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 19 Mar 2018, 03:10 pm

to enable
http://10.0.0.12/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=2
to revert to stable
http://10.0.0.12/mpd/chgsettings.php?p=system&v=dashboard&s=1

Are you going to put a button in UI to enable the new Dashboard?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Mar 2018, 03:41 pm
Are you going to put a button in UI to enable the new Dashboard?

Once its closer to being done, there are quite a few problems with its stylesheet, particularly on mobile devices.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: artur9 on 22 Mar 2018, 08:29 pm
I have a BDP-1 and I use MinimServer to send it files in combination with UPMPDCLI.  Controlled by Kinsky.

When I send it a file this way, which it appears to access via HTTP, the first line on the display seems to be the Artist from the tags in the file.  But the second line in the display is always HTTP STREAM 0 (or something like that).

Is there a way to get that second line to show something more useful than that?  Bitrate, Title, etc?  I mean, in the context of sending it files over HTTP.  If I jack in a USB thumb drive it shows much more useful stuff but I don't generally do that.


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 23 Mar 2018, 04:34 pm
I have a BDP-1 and I use MinimServer to send it files in combination with UPMPDCLI.  Controlled by Kinsky.

When I send it a file this way, which it appears to access via HTTP, the first line on the display seems to be the Artist from the tags in the file.  But the second line in the display is always HTTP STREAM 0 (or something like that).

Is there a way to get that second line to show something more useful than that?  Bitrate, Title, etc?  I mean, in the context of sending it files over HTTP.  If I jack in a USB thumb drive it shows much more useful stuff but I don't generally do that.

Hi Artur,

I'll try to remember to look into this next time im working on the firmware, in the mean time can you play some thing and go to this url (you'll need to update the IP address to match your BDP) and either post it or send it to me?

http://192.168.1.123/shm/rawsong

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: artur9 on 25 Mar 2018, 08:21 pm
Hi Artur,

I'll try to remember to look into this next time im working on the firmware, in the mean time can you play some thing and go to this url (you'll need to update the IP address to match your BDP) and either post it or send it to me?

http://192.168.1.123/shm/rawsong

Cheers,
Chris

Thanks for responding.  That URL says

Quote
file: http://192.168.1.123:9790/minimserver/*/standard-resolution/flac/The*20Romeros/Rodrigo*20-*20Concierto*20de*20Aranjuez*20and*20Concierto*20Andaluz*20--*20Vivaldi*20Guitar*20Concertos/01*20-*20Rodrigo*20Concerto*20de*20Aranjuez*20for*20Guitar*20and*20Orchestra-*201*20Allegro*20con*20spirito.flac/$!transcode-24,96.wav
Artist: San Antonio Symphony Orchestra, Victor Alessandro, The Romeros
Album: [MLP 50] The Romeros Perform Rodrigo and Vivaldi
Title: Rodrigo Concerto de Aranjuez for Guitar and Orchestra: 1 Allegro con spirito
Pos: 26
Id: 27
OK

On the web interface it shows the Title scrolling and the second line is Streaming -- @0 so it looks like

Rodrigo Concerto de Aranjuez for Guitar and Orchestra: 1 Allegro con spirito
Streaming — @0


The front panel shows

San Antonio Symphony Orche
HTTP STREAM: 0
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 14 Apr 2018, 02:35 pm
Hey Guys,

Not sure what's next for Manic Moose. Things are working well, though I have a couple of feedback items.

1. Folder browsing is impressive, which shows 100% of my artist (thumb.jpg) and album (folder.jpg) images. If I had one wish here, it is that the BDP would pre-process the folder images for display. I am having to browse into a folder, then back out to trigger the "Folder build" and see the images. I suspect this is something you are still working on. It would be fine with me to wait along with the Bryston DB build for all of these to be processed at once.

For the Media Player's Default View and Artist View, there is really on one issues I'd like to highlight: album art.

2. The Artist view shows almost everything, but there are a small number of albums that never show the art work. I am at a loss to see a pattern and I've verified that the folder.jpg and embedded images are like the others (500x500 - 1400x1400, baseline JPEGs). I've tried re-embedding new ones and they still don't show in Artist View, so I am back to wondering if the folder path naming is the cause.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=178803)


3. The Default View is missing about 1/6th of album art images when browsing. In the sample image below, I have browsed by genre into "Psychedelic Rock" and you can see a number of missing album art images. Browsing into other genres has similar results.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=178804)


Interestingly, if I browse into the Kodaly Quartet (see issue #2 image) via the Default View - Album Artist, none of the album images are shown.

And, when I play back an album or browse by folder all missing art work described above shows up just fine.

Using:

S2.37 2018-03-09
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Thanks.

EDIT:

I am playing around with Manic Moose with my iPad Pro - works pretty well (actually, what's really killer on the iPad Pro is Soundirok, but whatever...)

So, I am reminded of one more item: please remove/make optional the background image on the Media View (the out-of-focus image you are scraping, displayed behind the album art).

With larger audio files, it causes stuttering on playback which stops the moment the background image has loaded/displayed. Not all the time and mostly with high-res files, but it's annoying with 192/24 files on a BDP-1.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pundamilia on 14 Apr 2018, 03:30 pm
Is the display of the album art in the default view a new feature in S2.37? I don't see any album art at all in the default folder view in 2.36. Or am I missing a setting? :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: BigGeek on 27 Apr 2018, 12:16 am
Haven’t seen a release of the Moose since March 9. Am I missing something or are you working on somethnig big?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 27 Apr 2018, 01:09 am
Are you talking about the test builds? My BDP says I'm up to date and that is a December build I believe
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 27 Apr 2018, 01:42 pm
Haven’t seen a release of the Moose since March 9. Am I missing something or are you working on somethnig big?

No you haven't, i hadn't started working on the firmware again till last week and yesterdays release is mostly bug fixes and a few tweaks.  I've been temporarily re-tasked to redevelop a new interface for the active crossover (BAX).

http://support.bryston.com/demos/BAX/
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 4 Aug 2018, 09:52 pm
Hey Guys,

Not sure what's next for Manic Moose. Things are working well, though I have a couple of feedback items.

1. Folder browsing is impressive, which shows 100% of my artist (thumb.jpg) and album (folder.jpg) images. If I had one wish here, it is that the BDP would pre-process the folder images for display. I am having to browse into a folder, then back out to trigger the "Folder build" and see the images. I suspect this is something you are still working on. It would be fine with me to wait along with the Bryston DB build for all of these to be processed at once.

For the Media Player's Default View and Artist View, there is really on one issues I'd like to highlight: album art.

2. The Artist view shows almost everything, but there are a small number of albums that never show the art work. I am at a loss to see a pattern and I've verified that the folder.jpg and embedded images are like the others (500x500 - 1400x1400, baseline JPEGs). I've tried re-embedding new ones and they still don't show in Artist View, so I am back to wondering if the folder path naming is the cause.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=178803)


3. The Default View is missing about 1/6th of album art images when browsing. In the sample image below, I have browsed by genre into "Psychedelic Rock" and you can see a number of missing album art images. Browsing into other genres has similar results.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=178804)


Interestingly, if I browse into the Kodaly Quartet (see issue #2 image) via the Default View - Album Artist, none of the album images are shown.

And, when I play back an album or browse by folder all missing art work described above shows up just fine.

Using:

S2.37 2018-03-09
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486


UPDATE with:

S2.37 2018-08-01
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

1. Folder browsing is impressive

This is fixed. I can browse into the folder and it triggers a build and all of my artist (thumb.jpg) images appear for the artist, as well as all cover art for albums (folder.jpg). Nice work!

2. The Artist view shows almost everything, but there are a small number of albums that never show the art work.

This is fixed. I have complete album art coverage, including my classical collection. Nice work!

3. The Default View is missing about 1/6th of album art images when browsing.

This is (mostly) fixed. I have only a handful of albums missing, album art wise, but far greater coverage than before. Again, nice work!

Finally, this issue is still there:

Quote
With larger audio files, it causes stuttering on playback which stops the moment the background image has loaded/displayed in Media Player view. Not all the time and mostly with high-res files, but it's annoying with 192/24 files on a BDP-1.

For what it's worth, I am using a USB flash drive for all files and the one that hosts my 192/24 files is ALSO my swap device. Maybe I can switch the SWAP device to one on the other USB bus and see if that changes anything.

EDIT: That fixed the issue (moving the SWAP drive to another device, which is only hosting Redbook files).

EDIT 2: spoke too soon... problem is still there.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Aug 2018, 03:01 pm
Hi Ken,

thanks for the feedback, could you post some examples of the paths not working? and whether or not the bdp_front_250/44.jpg files are being generated?  Does the skipping occur between tracks and/or at the beginning of playback?

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 10 Aug 2018, 04:29 pm

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183263)


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183264)


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183265)


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183266)

These images show both the MEDIA PLAYER view and the ssh command-line view of the same albums. Both are examples of albums missing album art thumbnails, when browsing by Genre, for example. The album art does display in the main MEDIA PLAYER window, while the music is playing.

One thing that seems to be common to all that are missing thumbnails: an ampersand character.

For the stuttering issue, it happens only at the start as it is loading/displaying the background image for the artist. As soon as the background image has displayed, the stuttering stops. Again, this is most common on high-res files (i.e. 192/24).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 10 Aug 2018, 04:36 pm
Edit to the above: I am noticing that an AMPERSAND character in the Artist Name or Genre, has the same effect as in the Album title: no thumbnail image is displayed.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 14 Aug 2018, 09:11 pm
FYI, Updated to:

S2.37 2017-11-23
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486
COPYRIGHT BRYSTON LTD. 2010

I rebuilt everything: cleared cache and reset bryston DB. When I load the Artists View, all I see is this (forever):

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171807)


Addition: FYI, this problem has returned, as shown in the above image. It seems to happen if I play a song from the Artist View, switch to the Media Player Default view (i.e. view the playing album), then click into the Artist View again. Whatever previous Artist I was viewing shows loading, forever. The other Artists I can view, just fine.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Aug 2018, 10:24 pm
K, let me know if today's release has the same problem, I'll check it out my self later tonight.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Aug 2018, 02:29 pm
K, let me know if today's release has the same problem, I'll check it out my self later tonight.

Everything is fixed (minus the stuttering issue, which is still there).

Complete art work coverage in all views and no more "Loading..." hangs.

Nice work!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Aug 2018, 03:37 pm
I think the loading thing might be intermittent, i'm going to spend some time trying to reproduce it today.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: onthefly on 17 Aug 2018, 01:27 pm
I'm currently running: S2.36 2017-12-18 & everything is fine.  Is this version current?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 2 Sep 2018, 03:55 am
Doing some listening tonight with:

S2.37 2018-08-23
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Please.... please... remove the background image feature. Really.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: OTM on 2 Sep 2018, 01:07 pm
I don't mind the background image, but I wouldn't miss it if were removed.
In dashboardV2 for the last few beta releases I notice that only 30 Albums show up, using the scroll bar there are only blank
frames after that.

Edit
 :duh: had not cleared a search filter
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 4 Sep 2018, 08:42 pm
Doing some listening tonight with:

S2.37 2018-08-23
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

Please.... please... remove the background image feature. Really.

Hi Ken,

I'll make the background an option to be turned off, off by default

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 4 Sep 2018, 11:57 pm
Chris, I just shipped my BDP-2 for the BDP-3 upgrade. Will it comeback with S2.37?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Sep 2018, 07:42 pm
Should come back with the recently release S2.38
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 5 Sep 2018, 09:53 pm
Hi Ken,

I'll make the background an option to be turned off, off by default

Chris


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=184107)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Sep 2018, 03:32 am
I've added it, should be in a beta I plan to release Thursday (sept 6) night.  It disables the the request for all the fancy artist info stuff, if this is it it should stop.

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Jozsef on 6 Sep 2018, 06:39 am
Hi Chris,

I fired up S.2.38 on the BDP-2 with the slightly old Pale Moon 26.5 browser on Windows 8.1 and right away fell in love with the background image feature in the default view. It seemed like a delightful bit of decoration and added visual interest that I expected to miss if it were ever removed. The background image was in focus. However, when looking at it with up to date browsers on Windows, macOS and Linux, it's now clear to me that it was intended to be very blurred and essentially unrecognizable. I don't have much love for blurred images used in this way although I won't say I hate the feature but I definitely don't like it nearly as much. You can see that for me it would be wonderful if the option existed to present the background without the blur. BTW, I have no idea where the images come from but I actually don't mind that. It adds a little more fun to the interface.

If you add this option, I'll be eternally grateful!  :wink:

Edit: After playing with this for a few hours, I've recognized the obvious fact that the particular background image displayed is a very significant variable that determines whether the overall effect is pleasing or not so much. (I've been looking back and forth at the two computers and comparing with and without blur.) When set to the Crystal Theme, more of the image is visible and the overall effect with the blur can look very nice.

In the end, I would say that if you're very reluctant to add too many items to the customization menus, just adding the enable/ disable option as you intend to do would not be a bad compromise.

It occurs to me that allowing users to select an image much like a desktop or perhaps a series of them, might be a popular alternative.  In that case I suggest the blur should be optional.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 6 Sep 2018, 05:25 pm
Hi Chris,

I fired up S.2.38 on the BDP-2 with the slightly old Pale Moon 26.5 browser on Windows 8.1 and right away fell in love with the background image feature in the default view. It seemed like a delightful bit of decoration and added visual interest that I expected to miss if it were ever removed. The background image was in focus. However, when looking at it with up to date browsers on Windows, macOS and Linux, it's now clear to me that it was intended to be very blurred and essentially unrecognizable. I don't have much love for blurred images used in this way although I won't say I hate the feature but I definitely don't like it nearly as much. You can see that for me it would be wonderful if the option existed to present the background without the blur. BTW, I have no idea where the images come from but I actually don't mind that. It adds a little more fun to the interface.

If you add this option, I'll be eternally grateful!  :wink:

Edit: After playing with this for a few hours, I've recognized the obvious fact that the particular background image displayed is a very significant variable that determines whether the overall effect is pleasing or not so much. (I've been looking back and forth at the two computers and comparing with and without blur.) When set to the Crystal Theme, more of the image is visible and the overall effect with the blur can look very nice.

In the end, I would say that if you're very reluctant to add too many items to the customization menus, just adding the enable/ disable option as you intend to do would not be a bad compromise.

It occurs to me that allowing users to select an image much like a desktop or perhaps a series of them, might be a popular alternative.  In that case I suggest the blur should be optional.

I'll think about blurring options, choosing the background cover art is already planned and possible through the artist view.  The edit profile option found in the artist profile menu.

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 6 Sep 2018, 07:47 pm
Should come back with the recently release S2.38

 8)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 8 Sep 2018, 07:20 pm
I've added it, should be in a beta I plan to release Thursday (sept 6) night.  It disables the the request for all the fancy artist info stuff, if this is it it should stop.

Chris

OK. I am traveling until next weekend, but will try this out when I return.

By the way, I noticed that the latest release is a “stable build”, as opposed to a BETA. I don’t see how to enable the new Dashboard with the collection of newest albums showing up on the main page.

Do you still have to run a command from the SSH console to enable this or am I not seeing an option somewhere in the UI?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 9 Sep 2018, 07:59 pm
S2.40 will have an official dashboard v2, its already been started so that release should take nearly as long before its out the door.  The official enable dashboard v2 button will start appearing in the S2.39 test/beta releases, still dunno where im going to stick it.  If you search through the readme that appears on the update firmware page you can find both a command and a url for enabling and disabling the dashboard v2 interface.

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 13 Sep 2018, 11:27 pm
Finally, this issue is still there:

For what it's worth, I am using a USB flash drive for all files and the one that hosts my 192/24 files is ALSO my swap device. Maybe I can switch the SWAP device to one on the other USB bus and see if that changes anything.

EDIT: That fixed the issue (moving the SWAP drive to another device, which is only hosting Redbook files).

EDIT 2: spoke too soon... problem is still there.

Tested and fixed, with "Enable Artist Info (Bryston API)" disabled, using:

S2.38 2018-09-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

No more stuttering with large, high-res (192/24) tracks on the BDP-1.

Nice work.

Well, I am out of bugs to report. Must mean it's time to deprecate Manic Moose and start all over, again, with Nutty Narwhal.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 14 Sep 2018, 04:28 pm
your not to far off, i have one more planned update and then i move on to start this all over with new features, improved features and whole new set of bugs

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Pundamilia on 15 Sep 2018, 03:29 am
Spoken like a true software developer! :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

If one never made any changes to released software, there would never be any bugs. That's progress.

Good job, Chris. Looking forward to the new release (and the new set of bugs).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Calypte on 15 Sep 2018, 05:09 am
I have Manic Moose 2.38.  Is there a way to return to the previous 2.36?  Sometimes, instead of displaying a list of recordings, Manic Moose 2.38 throws up a screen full of tiny print listing everything in a particular folder, with no way to access individual items.  A couple of nights ago, when I went to "My Passport" (the name of the hard disk drive), it threw up a screen of gibberish.  There are some nice features with 2.38, and some bugs from 2.36 were fixed, but right now I'm dead in the water.  I can't access my recordings.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Calypte on 15 Sep 2018, 04:04 pm
Update: In last night's incident, rebooting MPD cured the immediate problem.  I have no explanation and I perceive no pattern as to why MM 2.38 is prone to sudden misbehavior, which occurred both on my Android cell phone and a computer.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 16 Sep 2018, 12:41 am
I'm a little worried about the continuous increase of Space Used.
FWIW, I have less than 797 GB of music and graphics files.
What is it that is making it to grow fast? - is it something related to "Scraping" or is it some other setting that could be disabled?

Scraping goes forever and goes slow, but maybe this is not an issue.

These are my settings, and ~75% ... growing.


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=184466)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 16 Sep 2018, 06:24 am
Hi Fernando,

That's reporting the user space partition (its part of the BDP's internal flash), as you use the Bryston API and explore your music library it will cache more and more data and thus consume more space.  If your worried about running out you can configure a scratch drive (a designated drive to cache files) and the BDP will move the existing cached files to this drive and continue to use it as the designated cache location.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 16 Sep 2018, 04:07 pm
Hi Fernando,

That's reporting the user space partition (its part of the BDP's internal flash), as you use the Bryston API and explore your music library it will cache more and more data and thus consume more space.  If your worried about running out you can configure a scratch drive (a designated drive to cache files) and the BDP will move the existing cached files to this drive and continue to use it as the designated cache location.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Chris

Hi Chris,

a few minutes ago I updated firmware to S2.38 2018-09-11 -

to my surprise, Bryston API shows unchecked in Settings ...

don't know what to do now ... Space Used reached 76%

I may plug a 32GB USB flash drive and set it as scratch drive, but don't quite like the idea. Would it be large enough?

yes, Bryston API shows un-checked:


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=184492)

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Sep 2018, 04:22 pm
Hi Fernando,

That's reporting the user space partition (its part of the BDP's internal flash), as you use the Bryston API and explore your music library it will cache more and more data and thus consume more space.  If your worried about running out you can configure a scratch drive (a designated drive to cache files) and the BDP will move the existing cached files to this drive and continue to use it as the designated cache location.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Chris

So, I have a scratch drive configured, but I still have the same issue - user space partition continues to be consumed.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=184493)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=184494)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Sep 2018, 08:56 pm
Hi Ken,

I'll make the background an option to be turned off, off by default

Chris

Does that also disable the Music Scraper?

I am noticing that with the Default View -> Enable Artist Info (Bryston API) disabled I only get the spinning wheel and I never see any Artist Info in the Artist View.

I am referring to the spinning wheel to the right of Albums (1) in the example:


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=184507)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Sep 2018, 09:07 pm
One more defect, after reviewing my library with the current BETA build:

S2.38 2018-09-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

In the Artist View, Florence + the Machine trips up on the '+' symbol. The band really is listed with the '+' instead of an 'and'. In the Artist View, the listing shows 1 album with 0 songs. In the Default View, it lists and plays just fine.

Notice that the '+' is missing from the Artist name in the white on black banner, but is shown correctly in the lists of artists on the left.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=184508)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 17 Sep 2018, 02:53 am
So, I have a scratch drive configured, but I still have the same issue - user space partition continues to be consumed.

mine, it was consumed from 76% this morning to 88% now ... i bet it will reach 100% soon.
how large should scratch be?

Fernando.-


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=184536)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 17 Sep 2018, 03:47 pm
mine, it was consumed from 76% this morning to 88% now ... i bet it will reach 100% soon.
how large should scratch be?

Fernando.-

Hi Chris,

how large?

 :o

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=184538)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Sep 2018, 12:37 pm
Hi Fernando,

To give you an idea of how much space your currently using the user space that the pie chart represents is the following sizes

BDP-1 & BDP-2 (1GB), so a 32 GB thumb drive would provide 32x the storage
BDP-3 (20GB), so you’d gain roughly another 1/3.  We dilberatly gave the BDP-3 all lot more space as it was being designed while these software features were being developed.
BDP-Pi (3GB), so you’d gain 10x the storage.

Hope this helps

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Sep 2018, 12:40 pm
One more defect, after reviewing my library with the current BETA build:

S2.38 2018-09-11
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

In the Artist View, Florence + the Machine trips up on the '+' symbol. The band really is listed with the '+' instead of an 'and'. In the Artist View, the listing shows 1 album with 0 songs. In the Default View, it lists and plays just fine.

Notice that the '+' is missing from the Artist name in the white on black banner, but is shown correctly in the lists of artists on the left.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=184508)

Is this still broken?  If so could you place the bdp into service mode and email me the service id?

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 19 Sep 2018, 02:19 pm
Hi Fernando,

To give you an idea of how much space your currently using the user space that the pie chart represents is the following sizes

BDP-1 & BDP-2 (1GB), so a 32 GB thumb drive would provide 32x the storage
BDP-3 (20GB), so you’d gain roughly another 1/3.  We dilberatly gave the BDP-3 all lot more space as it was being designed while these software features were being developed.
BDP-Pi (3GB), so you’d gain 10x the storage.

Hope this helps

Chris

Hi Chris,

I will start by using the thumb drive, 'though I was just about to mount a new 2TB MyPassport.
I held myself because of the 500mA warning on page 5 MMoose manual, and still don't know how many mA does it need.
Hope I can use it as another back-up of my music files. Feel that those MyPassport are power-hungry, have had bad experiences with early models.

Fernando.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 19 Sep 2018, 04:16 pm
Chris,

Another related question: If I have 2 disk units ( or 3, 4, 5 disk units ), with the very same file contents ( each one is a copy ), then: does User Space double, triplicate, x4, x5 etc. ? - or does it remain the same, as files are the same into each attached disk ? - or does it increase following a different ratio than y=2.x; y=3.x; y=4.x; etc. ? - Space Used jumped from 1% to 2% after I put the NAS online and Reset Database, but not sure.

The thumb drive seems Ok - nice to have only 2% of consumed User Space, and it scrapes faster too, in fact the BDP2 tells me it has Finished Scraping  :thumb:

Fernando.-
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 19 Sep 2018, 05:11 pm
If the content is identical then there should be no reason to scrape additional content as the scraped data is relevant to the tag data.  So if you plug in one drive with Leonard Cohen the BDP will scrape the relevant data for Leonard Cohen.  If you plug in more drives with Leonard Cohen it won't add any additional data unless the new drives contain additional Leonard Cohen albums that the original drive didn't contain.  The BDP will also check for new data if the existing cached data exceeds an age of 4 days.

Also for measuring current consumption by USB devices I keep one of these around the office and at home, there reasonably accurate, accurate enough anyways.

https://www.amazon.ca/DROK-Digital-Multimeter-Voltmeter-Capacitance/dp/B00J3JSEG6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1537376784&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+current+meter

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Fernando on 19 Sep 2018, 09:58 pm
If the content is identical then there should be no reason to scrape additional content as the scraped data is relevant to the tag data.  So if you plug in one drive with Leonard Cohen the BDP will scrape the relevant data for Leonard Cohen.  If you plug in more drives with Leonard Cohen it won't add any additional data unless the new drives contain additional Leonard Cohen albums that the original drive didn't contain.  The BDP will also check for new data if the existing cached data exceeds an age of 4 days.

Also for measuring current consumption by USB devices I keep one of these around the office and at home, there reasonably accurate, accurate enough anyways.

https://www.amazon.ca/DROK-Digital-Multimeter-Voltmeter-Capacitance/dp/B00J3JSEG6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1537376784&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+current+meter

Chris

good to know, certainly.

if "scraped data is relevant to the tag data." - then if I edit and modify a Tag, it should scrape for more or for less data. I mean: if Tag contains "Leonard Cohen", it generates less scraping than a Tag containing "Leonard Cohen Herbie Hancock" - just a guess.

I'm happy 32GB solved this. Space Used stays at 2%  :D -

first, I will check the MyPassport when plugged to the BDP - I like that meter, shall search in the neighbourhood anyway.

Thank you, Chris.

now I feel an urge to listen Patricia Barber singing Summertime, at 24 192 ! -

Fernando.-
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 20 Sep 2018, 01:08 pm
I have a couple .wav albums, any idea why these get classified as Various with each individual song showing up as it's own separate album? I've confirmed the tag data is correct and it's common AlbumArtist and Album information for each album so the albums should be grouping the songs together in the browser but that's not happening.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Sep 2018, 02:57 pm
I have a couple .wav albums, any idea why these get classified as Various with each individual song showing up as it's own separate album? I've confirmed the tag data is correct and it's common AlbumArtist and Album information for each album so the albums should be grouping the songs together in the browser but that's not happening.

Hi Rod,

Is the tag data being read by the BDP's firmware?  If you play the track does it show the tag data or the file name?  WAV data can be quite hit or miss due to its lack of any official support

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 20 Sep 2018, 03:53 pm
It just shows the file name. Should I convert the .wav files to .flac? Would that fix the issue?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 20 Sep 2018, 04:29 pm
It just shows the file name. Should I convert the .wav files to .flac? Would that fix the issue?

Likely it will
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 20 Sep 2018, 04:52 pm
Yep it did, thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 24 Sep 2018, 01:44 pm
Is this still broken?  If so could you place the bdp into service mode and email me the service id?

Chris

Done.

Service ID: 142
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 15 Jan 2019, 04:29 am
S2.38 2019-01-10
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

I updated to the latest BETA. I am unable to save *any* of my Settings from the Media Player.

For example, I was trying to re-enable the Bryston DB (I've had it off for awhile, using Soundirok).

Clicking on the SAVE button appears to do nothing.

FYI...
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 15 Jan 2019, 04:53 pm
S2.38 2019-01-10
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

I updated to the latest BETA. I am unable to save *any* of my Settings from the Media Player.

For example, I was trying to re-enable the Bryston DB (I've had it off for awhile, using Soundirok).

Clicking on the SAVE button appears to do nothing.

FYI...

Thanks, this should be fixed in the next update

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 4 Sep 2019, 10:36 pm
Reliably playing back 192/24-bit audio files with the BDP-1.

With recent releases of Manic Moose:

S2.40 2019-08-08
Build: Manic Moose
MPD: 0.19.21 NEWS
Kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.2-486

I am unable to playback 192/24 files without stuttering at the start of the song. I have both disabled thumbnail optimization, and left on on (default), and I've disabled all of the Bryston scraper stuff.

What I observe is this: at the start of a track, the album art in the MEDIA player view sort-of flashes - twice - like it's loading and then re-loading album art. I have some large tracks from the Grateful Dead that are 192/24 and (relatively) long, so the files are large. This occurs at the start of an album or if I skip forward or skip ahead to a random track - same observed symptom. This seems to be an issue only with these large files - with Redbook or 96/24 files, playback is as smooth as it always was.

For storage, I am using a Samsung EVO SSD, in an external enclosure and connected via USB 2.0 (back, lower port) which benches at 14.8 MB/sec, using the Manic Moose bench test.

FWIW, if I am not using the Manic Moose UI (no web UI) and use Soundirok as the control app (i.e. pure MPD playback), the stuttering does not occur.

I can't recall when I started seeing this issue, but it's been a while.

Just an FYI, I suppose... maybe it's time for me to sunset the BDP-1, but this has not been a problem in the past with 192/24 files.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 5 Sep 2019, 01:09 pm
Hi Ken,

I'll try to find some time to look into this, i personally don't really listen to any thing above 96khz 24bit and likely why I haven't noticed it on my BDP-1.

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Calypte on 5 Sep 2019, 05:14 pm
I have the BDP-pi with MM 2.36.  A rare oddity with this equipment is that sometimes during the very first play of a file I've downloaded or ripped, the music will suddenly drop out for several seconds early in the music (this is usually classical music), and then audio will resume as though nothing happened.  It's non-repeatable.  This never happens with future plays of the music, and it doesn't even occur every time with a new file.  But I've learned to rather expect it when playing something the first time, and I feel grateful if it doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: alexone on 6 Sep 2019, 09:55 am
Calypte,

the same goes for the BDP-3. i would say that these dropouts happen if the player (and therefore the connected hard disk drive) is not in use for a while. maybe the songs have to be completely ''loaded'' again??

al.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 9 Sep 2019, 06:46 pm
Calypte,

the same goes for the BDP-3. i would say that these dropouts happen if the player (and therefore the connected hard disk drive) is not in use for a while. maybe the songs have to be completely ''loaded'' again??

al.

My dropout problems ended when I stopped using iTunes as an importer. I now us dbpoweramp and it was the best purchase I could have made. No more dropouts.  8)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Calypte on 9 Sep 2019, 09:40 pm
I don't use iTunes.  Except that it exists, I know nothing about it.  Last night I had a dropout occur during the second play of a new download.  Also, I don't think recency of play has any relevance to these dropouts.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 10 Sep 2019, 05:00 pm
I don't use iTunes.  Except that it exists, I know nothing about it.  Last night I had a dropout occur during the second play of a new download.  Also, I don't think recency of play has any relevance to these dropouts.

What program are you using to import or rip music?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 10 Sep 2019, 09:12 pm
My dropout problems ended when I stopped using iTunes as an importer. I now us dbpoweramp and it was the best purchase I could have made. No more dropouts.  8)

I checked out dB online, and it does look impressive, the complete package (incl video ripping software, for DVDs etc). I haven't experienced any dropouts in my system, when using XLD (Mac) to rip my discs/convert Flac. So, for now, I am going to stick with XLD. But I admit, the pricing for the complete dB package is quite reasonable! Tempted, but 100 bucks buys me quite a bit of downloads.... :roll:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Calypte on 11 Sep 2019, 05:27 am
What program are you using to import or rip music?

I download music from Presto Classical and HD Tracks, occasionally from Amazon (MP3).  Most of my rips have been with Foobar 2000, but sometimes I use Exact Audio Copy, which can rip almost anything.  Foobar 2000 sometimes trips on certain tracks, but it's faster than EAC.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 11 Sep 2019, 03:53 pm
I checked out dB online, and it does look impressive, the complete package (incl video ripping software, for DVDs etc). I haven't experienced any dropouts in my system, when using XLD (Mac) to rip my discs/convert Flac. So, for now, I am going to stick with XLD. But I admit, the pricing for the complete dB package is quite reasonable! Tempted, but 100 bucks buys me quite a bit of downloads.... :roll:

I was so impressed with dbpoweramp, that I purchased the complete package, and I did not know it contained software for ripping DVDs. I'll have to revisit it as I am trying to make a DVD of a wedding and put some of my music collection on it. I tried to do it with my MacBook Pro, but it would not let me put the music on it as it was copyright protected. :oops:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 11 Sep 2019, 03:56 pm
...Tempted, but 100 bucks buys me quite a bit of downloads.... :roll:

I have found that I'd rather purchase the CD and rip it myself as it sounds better that a download in my opinion.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 11 Sep 2019, 06:28 pm
I have found that I'd rather purchase the CD and rip it myself as it sounds better that a download in my opinion.

 :shh: :dunno:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Sep 2019, 06:56 pm
Hi Ken,

I'll try to find some time to look into this, i personally don't really listen to any thing above 96khz 24bit and likely why I haven't noticed it on my BDP-1.

Chris

As an FYI, Chris, these are FLAC files from HD Tracks. I can send you some, if that helps.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 15 Sep 2019, 04:18 pm
Well, I tried a variety of things to mitigate stuttering with 192/24 tracks, with varying degrees of success.

1. Mount BDP-1’s USER share via SMB
2. Edit: MPDPLAYBACK.SET
3. Add: buffer_before_play;30% (I tried 15, 20, 25, 30% w/ different effects)
4. Add: audio_buffer_size;16384 (I increased this value from 2048, 4096... 16384 w/ different effects)
5. Reboot BDP-1

This will add the line below to /etc/mpd.conf to increase playback buffering which seems to be required to remove stuttering at the beginning of 192/24 tracks (this was universal across all of my larger, high-res tracks). Playing back an album would be smooth, but tapping on a specific track would sometimes result in a stutter at the very start of the track.

See: https://linux.die.net/man/5/mpd.conf

buffer_before_play <0-100%>
This specifies how much of the audio buffer should be filled before playing a song.
Try increasing this if you hear skipping when manually changing songs. ... exactly the symptom I am hearing.
The default is 10%, a little over 1 second of CD-quality audio with the default buffer size.

audio_buffer_size <size in KiB>
This specifies the size of the audio buffer in kilobytes.
The default is 2048, large enough for nearly 12 seconds of CD-quality audio.

Finally, I’ve noticed that using AES out, instead of USB, reduces the stuttering effect (and also solves the problem of changing sample rates and the delay incurred with my DAC - using AES, it’s instant, but with USB there is a slight delay, which can clip the start of the track).

In the end, I was able to reduce, but not completely eliminate, stuttering effects w/ larger audio files when skipping around an album. Not sure why this is a problem when in the past the BDP-1 never exhibited stuttering.

I think the BDP-1 + MPD playback was such a surprise for me, when I first auditioned the box, because it's a well-designed appliance with a low powered CPU with minimal software and processing. Great combination, but I think larger high-res files are maybe pushing it past what it was designed to play. I wonder if the issue is with newer versions of MPD on the BDP-1 - I haven't tried going back to earlier versions, since that's a time-consuming change (requires resetting the MPD db and rescanning everything).

I have to think about my upgrade path; for now I will just motor on with the the BDP-1 and Roon (where everything just works, though I am not as pleased with the sound).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 16 Sep 2019, 01:37 am
I think larger high-res files are maybe pushing it past what it was designed to play. I wonder if the issue is with newer versions of MPD on the BDP-1 -

I used a BDP-1 for yrs, and large hi-res rarely gave me any problems. I did use older Moose then, and did not upgrade Moose ever. You could be right.

I liked the devil I knew, rather than risk introducing the devil I didn't know.  :o
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Sep 2019, 01:54 am
^ I am in the process of re-sampling my 192/24 files to 96/24, using XLD + SoX. Of course, I am saving the originals.

I only have 51 albums that are 192/24, so I decided it was lunacy to worry about it or spend money fixing this issue with an upgrade - just re-sample with a high quality converter and enjoy the music.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 16 Sep 2019, 09:47 am
^ First post of the following page/thread:

https://www.audioaficionado.org/showthread.php?t=13739 (https://www.audioaficionado.org/showthread.php?t=13739)

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Sep 2019, 04:50 pm
^ Interesting article. Still, it's more an issue of having to manage multiple versions of your library.

But, for now, I have a solution.

Seriously considering the BDA 3.14 as both a streamer and a DAC upgrade. Have to see what my disposable income looks like when it launches.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 16 Sep 2019, 11:16 pm
^ I am in the process of re-sampling my 192/24 files to 96/24, using XLD + SoX. Of course, I am saving the originals.

I only have 51 albums that are 192/24, so I decided it was lunacy to worry about it or spend money fixing this issue with an upgrade - just re-sample with a high quality converter and enjoy the music.

I gave up on 192 long ago. That was after acquiring a 192/24 of Beethoven's 9th (Abbado/Berlin). The sound was worse than my CD rip (44/16). It sounded even worse than some of my MP3-256, and that's saying a lot. Squished and congested. Lesson learned. Hit & miss. But I'm now 96/24, IF I get a hi-res file, which is not frequently. Otherwise, I am happy with 44/16 or MP3-320, on my floor system (I rarely do HPs anymore).
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 17 Sep 2019, 09:42 pm
I gave up on 192 long ago. That was after acquiring a 192/24 of Beethoven's 9th (Abbado/Berlin). The sound was worse than my CD rip (44/16). It sounded even worse than some of my MP3-256, and that's saying a lot. Squished and congested. Lesson learned. Hit & miss. But I'm now 96/24, IF I get a hi-res file, which is not frequently. Otherwise, I am happy with 44/16 or MP3-320, on my floor system (I rarely do HPs anymore).

I'm with you. While I can't descend to any MP3, regular rebook 44.1/16 is fine with me and sounds more natural. James Tanner was trying to tell us this many years ago. He was tarred and feathered for doing so, but now he has the last laugh.  :lol:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Calypte on 18 Sep 2019, 12:05 am
I'm with you. While I can't descend to any MP3, regular rebook 44.1/16 is fine with me and sounds more natural. James Tanner was trying to tell us this many years ago. He was tarred and feathered for doing so, but now he has the last laugh.  :lol:

Like you I avoided MP3 for years.  But there were instances where I had to accept MP3s from Amazon if I wanted the music at all.  In one case, I have both MP3 and Redbook downloads of Mahler Sym 5 with Nezet-Seguin.  They sound identical to me.  I've bought some things with higher res, up to 192/24.  TBH, I can't hear the difference between those and Redbook spec.  But there's no deterioration compared to Redbook, either.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 19 Sep 2019, 02:47 am

I have to think about my upgrade path...

I think the answer is Roon Nucleus+ v2.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: NHSkier on 19 Sep 2019, 11:42 am
Like you I avoided MP3 for years.  But there were instances where I had to accept MP3s from Amazon if I wanted the music at all.  In one case, I have both MP3 and Redbook downloads of Mahler Sym 5 with Nezet-Seguin.  They sound identical to me.  I've bought some things with higher res, up to 192/24.  TBH, I can't hear the difference between those and Redbook spec.  But there's no deterioration compared to Redbook, either.

Calypte, can you please tell us about your system? I have a rather modest setup myself and can certainly tell the difference between

1) MP3s/Spotifyand most CDs
2) MP3s/Spotify and my 96/24 downloads

Differences between CDs and 96/24 are oftentimes much harder to discern.

Salk Streamplayer II via USB >>> Schiit Modi Multibit >>> Yamaha AS-2000 >>> PSB Imagine Ts
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 19 Sep 2019, 01:48 pm
Like you I avoided MP3 for years.  But there were instances where I had to accept MP3s from Amazon if I wanted the music at all.  In one case, I have both MP3 and Redbook downloads of Mahler Sym 5 with Nezet-Seguin.  They sound identical to me.  I've bought some things with higher res, up to 192/24.  TBH, I can't hear the difference between those and Redbook spec.  But there's no deterioration compared to Redbook, either.

I believe you. :o
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Calypte on 20 Sep 2019, 01:41 am
I said nothing about Spotify.  I've never heard it.  I can say nothing about its quality.  I have Idagio, which has left me unimpressed at 320 kbps (i.e., MP3 resolution).  Higher-res is available from Idagio, but my dissatisfaction with the interface has discouraged further exploration of Idagio.

Discussions like this tend to devolve into who has "golden ears," and who has too much earwax, and who has too much imagination, and who is insensitive to plainly-audible defects.  For the record, my "digital music player" is a Bryston BDP-pi, feeding into an Emotiva XDA-2 Gen 2 DAC, which feeds into an Emotiva UMC-200 preamp/processor, which feeds into an Emotiva XDA-5 power amp, which feeds Hsu Research HB-1 Mk II speakers (5 ea).  I actually disliked these speakers when I heard them (two occasions) in Hsu Research's showroom in 2014.  I later bought two out of curiosity, and I liked them so much in my own system that I filled out the set with another three (one is set on its side for the center channel).  The subwoofer is a Hsu VTF-3 Mk 4.  It's a 5.1 system.  I have a multi-channel SACD player and analog, but they aren't relevant to this discussion. 

In the case of MP3 and 44/16 downloads of Mahler Sym 5 with Nezet-Seguin and the Philadelphia Orchestra, I hear no difference.  My very first MP3 download (320 kbps from Amazon) was Mahler Sym 6 with Thomas Sanderling and the St. Petersburg Philharmonic.  I heard substantial parts of this recording at a hi-end audio show in L.A. in 2017.  That was on a system with ADS speakers (it was the ADS demo room).  I forget the electronics, but they were much more prestigious than mine.  I liked this recording so much (sound and interpretation) that I looked for the CDs online.  I was unable to find the CDs at a price I was willing to pay, so I bought the MP3s.  I have no other comparison for this recording, but judged on its own, the sound is excellent in every respect. 

I'm 74 years old, and you can weigh that fact as you wish.  It's been several decades since I was able to hear the 16kHz scanning frequency of NTSC TV.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 5 Oct 2019, 08:49 pm
Well, I tried a variety of things to mitigate stuttering with 192/24 tracks, with varying degrees of success.

...

I couldn't let this go, so I experimented further  :duh:

I started trying different encoding formats, after giving up on MPD playback settings and assuming my SSD is plenty fast.

One thing that occurred to me is that the BDP-1 is memory constrained. While a lossless-compressed FLAC file should load faster than just about any other lossless format from storage (NAS or USB), MPD doesn't load more than what it needs to meet its buffering requirements (as set in MPD.conf). For FLAC files, MPD then needs to unpack the container, decompress the PCM audio and then feed it to the Alsa interface.

So, what would happen if I went the other way? That is, use a WAV file for my problematic 192/24 long duration files? Straight PCM with no decompression required.

The answer is: no stuttering, whatsoever.  :lol:

Even if I rapidly skip around to other tracks. I tried a whole bunch of problematic tracks, looking for stuttering or gap issues between tracks. Everything worked ... well, sort of. WAV files can cause problems with metadata using MPD and Manic Moose. I tried id3 tags and/or INFO chunk; some worked and some did not and I couldn't find a common pattern that worked reliably for metadata.

But, AIFF metadata (encoded with macOS XLD - not iTunes) works just fine. And, AIFF is also uncompressed PCM that is just big endian, instead of WAV's little endian format. A byte-swap is all that changes. So, I tried a bunch of these. Also worked great.

Now, all I need is @zoom25 to chime in about how uncompressed PCM formats sound better than FLAC and I am off to reformatting my entire digital library.

In ...3...2...1  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: zoom25 on 5 Oct 2019, 10:39 pm

Now, all I need is @zoom25 to chime in about how uncompressed PCM formats sound better than FLAC and I am off to reformatting my entire digital library.

In ...3...2...1  :popcorn:


LOLOLOLOL  :thumb: :thumb: :lol: :lol:


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=199424)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 5 Oct 2019, 10:51 pm
WAV, everybody!!!

 :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: zoom25 on 5 Oct 2019, 11:04 pm
I have been back to maintaining two libraries. FLAC with highest compression and metadata backed twice for use as master library and with Roon. A secondary batch transcoded WAV library on the NAS for use with BDP-1. Transcoding the secondary 1.5TB library from scratch took me 2 days with minimal effort. It was worth it.

As far as formats go and theories on CPU processing or byte swaps...I'm sticking with WAV over AIFF, FLAC compressed/uncompressed, ALAC. Not stating a fact for anyone or trying to convince otherwise, but there's this hunch whenever I've done shootouts. Doesn't make sense to me either, but there it is.  :slap:

Hope you figure it out Krutsch!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 6 Oct 2019, 12:48 am
^ I am also maintaining multiple libraries:

1. My original iTunes library started 16 years ago... lots and lots of playlists, some of which I originally created from my cassette tape mixer collection. This is my master and my Roon library.

2. FLAC collection that has been groomed for device compatibility; this is my Bryston library.

3. Sonos library - the FLAC collection with hi-res tracks down sampled and dithered for 16-bit playback, which is all the Sonos supports;

4. Walkman library - iTunes playlists exported w/ Doug's Scripts for flight/cabin/work use on my Sony Walkman;

5. Car library - iTunes playlists exported w/ Doug's Scripts for car use on a thumb drive (max VBR AAC);

Anyway, I am getting ready to greatly simplify things around an eco-system of: Roon (Head-Fi and Sonos use) and Spotify (work/travel/car). The Soundiiz web app has been great for syncing my iTunes playlists with Spotify.

I am not flying like I used to, so as much as like the Walkman, I am probably going to revert to Spotify at work via my phone. Even my car has a built-in Spotify app, so I am covered there, as well.

That allows me to stop maintaining libraries 2-5 above, assuming macOS Catalina doesn't destroy my audio world. I am waiting for the Catalina launch and the impending "Music" app to see if I can stay with my iTunes collection. Otherwise, I will pivot to my FLAC collection and bye-bye iTunes library.

One way or another, I am committing fully to Roon at home and Spotify outside of the home.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: artur9 on 6 Oct 2019, 02:17 am
I have one library with whatever.

I use Minimserver to convert to wav for the BDP-1.
I use Sonospy to convert to what the Sonos needs.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: zoom25 on 6 Oct 2019, 02:25 am
Those are a lot of libraries to maintain. I initially had local music on PC and then with move to Mac, stayed with iTunes for a number of years. As soon as my library started to get too big to fit on my local desktops or laptops, I knew the time for iTunes was over. Since then, it's been all music on external drive with the same structure and accessing them through different software over time such as Clementine, Amarra, Audirvana Plus, and now Roon along with Bryston.

With respect to the other older and personalized music that was on playlists in iTunes and such, over time I've been manually matching it with Spotify. I know it's lossy, but it's intuitive to use for the entire family and I can actually find odd music here and there that other services simply do not have. I'm only interested in lossless streaming if Spotify does it. No interest in Amazon, Qobuz, or Tidal lossless. I don't need hi-res either. All my music is 16 bit along with certain 24 bit that are more linked to audiophile labels or special releases. Otherwise standard CD quality (16/44.1) lossless is all I need.

I gave up on DAPs, external DAC/amps or transferring music to phone. I can recreate the same music on Spotify and their playlists and simply save them for Offline playback whenever travelling.

Local music is now only reserved for home. Spotify is used exclusively when outside or if there are parties. Everyone knows how to use Spotify that comes over or family members. Roon and Bryston for my personal use.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 6 Oct 2019, 03:19 am

 WAV files can cause problems with metadata using MPD and Manic Moose. I tried id3 tags and/or INFO chunk; some worked and some did not and I couldn't find a common pattern that worked reliably for metadata.


I think this depends on the program you use to import your music. I switched from using the free iTunes importer to using dbpoweramp, and not only do I get all cover art from .wav files but also a much superior sound. The sonic improvements was so great I had to reimport my entire CD library.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rocket on 6 Oct 2019, 03:32 am
Hi Guys,

Hoping to be able to have the benefits of using Manic Moose soon.  My bryson bop 1 was a very early version and I haven't been able to update it as its too complicated to do so for me.  I've sent the bryston back to the australian distributor for a software update through my dealer.  I mainly want to use it for Tidal as I have a prescription.

Cheers Rod
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gil99 on 7 Oct 2019, 03:06 pm
Hi all,
In manic moose how to delete the song in the Favorites playlist created with the star besides the player controls at the top of media player. I have try the same method as for regular playlists but didn't work.
Thank you.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 1 Nov 2019, 09:42 pm
Media App Folder browsing is showing hidden directories, as shown in the attached screenshot.

Is that desired behavior?


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=200400)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 17 Nov 2019, 05:39 pm
^ Thanks for fixing the hidden files issue.

For the latest BETA:

S2.42 2019-11-14
Media Player - Bryston DB
Recently Added, shows the 50 most recently added albums

Very nice! I've been hoping for that for a while, after seeing this on Soundirock's dashboard.

Although, it took me a few minutes to find the "Recently Added" menu item in Media Player.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Nov 2019, 04:59 pm
Media App Folder browsing is showing hidden directories, as shown in the attached screenshot.

Is that desired behavior?


Its not something we changed, is your unit updating its database?  Sometimes hidden folders appear while MPD is updating its music database.

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: unincognito on 18 Nov 2019, 05:03 pm
^ Thanks for fixing the hidden files issue.

For the latest BETA:

S2.42 2019-11-14
Media Player - Bryston DB
Recently Added, shows the 50 most recently added albums

Very nice! I've been hoping for that for a while, after seeing this on Soundirock's dashboard.

Although, it took me a few minutes to find the "Recently Added" menu item in Media Player.

Last minute feature taken from dashboard v2, not sure if i'm going to finish the revamped dashboard for Manic Moose or not as Manic Moose was officially feature locked as of the BDA-3.14 in favour of Nutty Narwhal development which will include many improvements a revamped gui.

Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 18 Nov 2019, 06:07 pm
Chris

When is the Narwhal to be released for use with all BDP's (-1, -2, -3, Pi, etc)?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Krutsch on 18 Nov 2019, 08:45 pm
Last minute feature taken from dashboard v2, not sure if i'm going to finish the revamped dashboard for Manic Moose or not ...


My $0.02 would be to call it done and move the current BETA to RELEASE.

I *do* have a curated collection designed to work around issues with MM and MPD (e.g. multi-disc albums, albums with the same title from different artists, et al.); but, everything is working well with my collection using the Bryston DB. Folder browsing is great. Artist thumbnails are showing up. Complete album art coverage. No issues with special chars in Album/Artist/Song titles or file paths.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 18 Nov 2019, 09:27 pm
My $0.02 would be to call it done and move the current BETA to RELEASE.

I *do* have a curated collection designed to work around issues with MM and MPD (e.g. multi-disc albums, albums with the same title from different artists, et al.); but, everything is working well with my collection using the Bryston DB. Folder browsing is great. Artist thumbnails are showing up. Complete album art coverage. No issues with special chars in Album/Artist/Song titles or file paths.

I, too, have no issues with Manic Moose if this is what you are saying. It looks quite good with the cover art and the black and grey are easy on the eyes.  8)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: ttsto on 23 Feb 2020, 05:19 pm
Hi, have been long time since I posted last on this forum  :D
Quick question, I have BDP1 with MM S2.36 running fine with my 80k music library stored on NAS. Browsing is done using folders without problems, I do not use Bryston db
I use Last.fm scrobbler and ReplyGain feature
Do I gain/lose something if I upgrade to latest firmware?
Thank you
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Feb 2023, 11:29 am
wow, having been gone for some time, I now revisit and see there's a 3 year gap in this thread...???



Yet, I am still using my BDP-1 and am on Manic Moose so, seems still the correct thread here.


Confess having not used the player for some time, I had to replace the battery yesterday since it was depleted and gave me the ominous 09 error, which I was able to fix with http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Error%2009.pdf (http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Error%2009.pdf)


so the machine is downloading the library once again.. and taking its time. gave me the opportunity to see:


 (https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=250057)


 (https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=250058)
which seems a silly mistake ;)


Would love to know what the MPD Ignore  does though?

On the more serious troubles:


Even though the system button indicates my library has all files indexed, there are many folders not showing up, and connectivity still seems to be lost regularly. I noticed one of the last updates had a fix for that, but believe it not to be completely over.


And, even worse: on my iPhone, none of the buttons show, and the interface is really impossible to use, as if it doesnt load completely. Tried refreshing, restarting the web page, even restarted the iPhone (and yes also the BDP1)

 (https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=250091)
could it be some issue with the latest iOS updates maybe?

cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Jozsef on 19 Feb 2023, 06:07 am
I can't seem to find any information on Bryston DB, but I see that some people refer to having it enabled while others have disabled it. I'd really like to know the pros and cons of the choice either way.

I also have a 15GB (that's how the system reports it) USB flash drive for a scratch drive on my BDP-2 but I don't know if that's an appropriate size. I must assume it's a good idea to have it.

Any insight would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 20 Feb 2023, 03:05 pm
3 days later I am still stuck at the same spot....


somehow the System button reports all songs, but when trying to load them from the Media Player there are many simply not displaying.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=250204)


shows empty. clicking the header adds 400 tracks to the play list, so they are there....

 (https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=250205)

mobile still showing placeholders instead of buttons, like before.


really puzzled, I dont think I know what to do....
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 24 Feb 2023, 07:37 pm
wow, having been gone for some time, I now revisit and see there's a 3 year gap in this thread...???



Yet, I am still using my BDP-1 and am on Manic Moose so, seems still the correct thread here.


Confess having not used the player for some time, I had to replace the battery yesterday since it was depleted and gave me the ominous 09 error, which I was able to fix with http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Error%2009.pdf (http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Error%2009.pdf)


so the machine is downloading the library once again.. and taking its time. gave me the opportunity to see:


 (https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=250057)


 (https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=250058)
which seems a silly mistake ;)


Would love to know what the MPD Ignore  does though?

On the more serious troubles:


Even though the system button indicates my library has all files indexed, there are many folders not showing up, and connectivity still seems to be lost regularly. I noticed one of the last updates had a fix for that, but believe it not to be completely over.


And, even worse: on my iPhone, none of the buttons show, and the interface is really impossible to use, as if it doesnt load completely. Tried refreshing, restarting the web page, even restarted the iPhone (and yes also the BDP1)

 (https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=250091)
could it be some issue with the latest iOS updates maybe?

cheers,
Marius

While I am not 100 per cent certain, I believe MPD is the engine that makes your music play so you don’t want to ignore it.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: qkot on 5 Mar 2023, 11:57 am
Hello,

Is there a way to view the different album bitrates in the MM app when streaming Tidal? IE how do you know if an album on Tidal is a Master or not?

thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: skunark on 19 Mar 2023, 05:40 pm
Is there any plans to improve the user interface to BDP-1/2/3 with a dedicated app or support Spotify Connect and when it becomes available Qobuz Connect?      Or even just openhome.org with upmpdcli. 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: alanford69 on 19 Mar 2023, 08:25 pm
They said in another thread that the new interface called OS3 should be released next summer
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 24 Mar 2023, 02:37 am
They said in another thread that the new interface called OS3 should be released next summer

What would be your expectations from a new interface?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: alanford69 on 25 Mar 2023, 04:44 pm
I think it’s not only a matter of interface but an update of the whole system which should leverage on newer technology (more recent version of MPD for example) to become faster and more reliable (on my BR-20 I am having several instability issues). Of course, speaking of the interface, I expect an overall better usability and a modern look & feel. Probably a dedicated app is a mandatory option to bring users an experience in line with competitors LightningDS or BlueOS. Manic Moose was a good choice at the time of BDP-2 and I understand that it still plays the local library pretty well but I cannot wait bunches of seconds any time I want to navigate my Qobuz library and it’s actually a piss off that new (and expensive) systems such as the BR-20 cannot provide a player experience in line with the top audio quality that Bryston offers. My 2 cents…
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 1 Apr 2023, 01:11 pm
While I am not 100 per cent certain, I believe MPD is the engine that makes your music play so you don’t want to ignore it.


Sure, but if you watch closely, that's not what I meant. the popups on hover are incorrect, and show text belonging to the other buttons.....




Still experiencing the same terrible UX on iPhone though, it practically is unusable in its current state, not a single button in the media player loads correctly, I only see those square placeholders.


Did Bryston team abandon this topic btw? there is no response at all?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Highendfool on 1 Apr 2023, 03:52 pm
…..
Did Bryston team abandon this topic btw? there is no response at all?

We’ve been promised OS3 to replace MM for some time now. Not getting ANY attention anymore.

Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: J2Ordan on 2 Apr 2023, 01:35 am
Well, we all have certainly said our piece on this topic.
Looks like it's just gonna' be a wait and see situation and
"This Summer" is not just another tease.

In the meantime,

Enjoying the Bryston/McIntosh Sounds here in the Hudson Valley.

John
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Stefan_DR3 on 2 Apr 2023, 05:01 am
Still experiencing the same terrible UX on iPhone though, it practically is unusable in its current state, not a single button in the media player loads correctly, I only see those square placeholders.

This sounds really strange and unusual.  I have no weird issue like that specific to the iPhone, but I only use Safari (no third party browsers).

On my laptop browser (Microsoft Edge) I did notice the MM interface fits better using 90% zoom.  With any greater amount of scaling there's too much scrolling.  Maybe that's something to check and try other devices or browsers.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 4 Apr 2023, 12:24 am
I just read a review on the BDP-3 and the reviewer not only lauded its sonic prowess, but lauded the interface for it not only allowing the music to be transparent, but to work on numerous platforms and its intuitive ease of use. Some us are trying to kill Chris over a toy (interface) that has no sonic value. Do you want to listen to music or do you want to play and stare at an interface after you load your music. I don't get it. :o :?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: drummermitchell on 4 Apr 2023, 12:41 am
Thats it I believe
Let me scroll my playlist
Let me punch in tracks I want listen to
Make my playlist
As the Doobie Brothers song LISTEN TO THE MUSIC
MM does what I need
Make my set lists HIT PLAY -DONE and all afternoon amid the hot summer sun on my deck with ice cold beer.
Don’t need the album/cd inserts,I’m listening to music that’s it.
Wanna read or look at covers or inserts pull out your LPs,the cover or inserts are wayyyy bigger than your phone or iPad.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 4 Apr 2023, 06:13 pm
Thats it I believe
Let me scroll my playlist
Let me punch in tracks I want listen to
Make my playlist
As the Doobie Brothers song LISTEN TO THE MUSIC
MM does what I need
Make my set lists HIT PLAY -DONE and all afternoon amid the hot summer sun on my deck with ice cold beer.
Don’t need the album/cd inserts,I’m listening to music that’s it.
Wanna read or look at covers or inserts pull out your LPs,the cover or inserts are wayyyy bigger than your phone or iPad.

Indeed.  8)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: alanford69 on 5 Apr 2023, 06:28 am
Do you want to listen to music or do you want to play and stare at an interface after you load your music. I don't get it. :o :?

I’ll explain: shouldn’t we have both for the price tag?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Rod_S on 5 Apr 2023, 12:54 pm
People must understand Bryston exists to make money so the more people that buy their products the more they make and in the long run that's better for everyone as that money can be used for R&D etc. If people are researching the BDP platform and find out it has a more limited/cryptic UI and not more aligned to what's available from the competition a subset of potential buyers are more than likely to go to the competitors so that's money lost for Bryston and a potential new to Bryston customer lost if the BDP was to be a customers 1st Bryston product.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 5 Apr 2023, 03:06 pm
I’ll explain: shouldn’t we have both for the price tag?

Price tag; are you serious? Had it not been for Bryston's reasonable price tag, I would not be able to afford a digital player. I was able to buy a brand new BDP-2, upgrade the sound card, and upgrade the BDP-2 to the BDP-3. The interface has never been on my mind. I purchased two Miles Davis UHQR Kind of Blue vinyl in both 33 rpm and 45 rpm. They both contain different inserts highlighting photos of the recording session. Not once have I had the curiosity to look at them as I don't care. I only care about the sound and the ease of playing the sound. Maybe I'm too pragmatic. Again, like I said, we are trying to kill Chris. :od As far as Bryston, I guess no good deed goes unpunished.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: alanford69 on 5 Apr 2023, 09:47 pm
Again, like I said, we are trying to kill Chris. :od As far as Bryston, I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

This is off topic … nobody is trying to kill anyone and nobody is pointing fingers at anyone. You have a very personal opinion and I respect it but… don’t take it too personal  :duh:

Here we are discussing a general trend, your mileage may vary but I think that Bryston already realized that a software update is needed since they are working on it and, like it or not, they are going to release it sooner or later.


Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 5 Apr 2023, 11:44 pm
This is off topic … nobody is trying to kill anyone and nobody is pointing fingers at anyone. You have a very personal opinion and I respect it but… don’t take it too personal  :duh:

Here we are discussing a general trend, your mileage may vary but I think that Bryston already realized that a software update is needed since they are working on it and, like it or not, they are going to release it sooner or later.

I don't mean it literally. Even Stevie Wonder can see that. When I say "killing him" I mean stress the man out to no end and you know what stress lead to. You want and others want a new OS; I want to keep the ciurrent OS and correct its minor imperfection. With the new OS, you'll get different imperfections. MM is fine with me as its simple to operate and I don't need the ROON looking interface nor am I impressed with it. Its too busy for me.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vonnie123 on 26 Apr 2023, 03:39 am
It’s been a long wait for the Manic Moose update.  Might just more sense to pay a licensing fee and utilize someones elses working firmware and app.  Both Aurender and Naim have excellent firmware and mobile apps.  Naim also interfaces with Roon.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 26 Apr 2023, 01:14 pm
It’s been a long wait for the Manic Moose update.  Might just more sense to pay a licensing fee and utilize someones elses working firmware and app.  Both Aurender and Naim have excellent firmware and mobile apps.  Naim also interfaces with Roon.

It makes even better sense to stay the course and keep the price low. I like Manic Moose. Its simple and straight forward. I never look at my computer source once I load my music. Most times I'm watching 4k TV and listening at the same time. I don't need a busy looking interface and the color art on MM along with the black and gray boarders are easy on my eyes.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: alanford69 on 26 Apr 2023, 01:49 pm
@gbaby I Guess we all know your opinion on this topic  :duh: :wink:

Despite that, the idea suggested by @vonnie123 is not a bad one at all if not for the fact that Bryston would have to pay fees to third party providers.

Developing a proprietary software on the other hand has many hidden costs such as, for example, vulnerability management which is never mentioned by audio device vendors. Any device connected to the internet is a potential back door for hackers to enter your home network. Companies (like the one I work for, in a different industry) are struggling to keep all software safe and updated to latest technology to avoid such risks… now I wonder how safe the current MM could be, given the old technology it is using. I hope this may bring some new motivation to update…

An interesting thread:
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/59675-streamers-and-security/
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 27 Apr 2023, 03:58 pm
@gbaby I Guess we all know your opinion on this topic  :duh: :wink:

Despite that, the idea suggested by @vonnie123 is not a bad one at all if not for the fact that Bryston would have to pay fees to third party providers.

Developing a proprietary software on the other hand has many hidden costs such as, for example, vulnerability management which is never mentioned by audio device vendors. Any device connected to the internet is a potential back door for hackers to enter your home network. Companies (like the one I work for, in a different industry) are struggling to keep all software safe and updated to latest technology to avoid such risks… now I wonder how safe the current MM could be, given the old technology it is using. I hope this may bring some new motivation to update…

An interesting thread:
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/59675-streamers-and-security/

Good post. But, I am still trying to figure out what people want from a new OS. Is it an interface or is it information about artists? I don't know. If you could articulate what folks want, I'd love to know. It may be selfish on my part but I want simplicity that I get now. I have lived long enough to know that all change is not good.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Highendfool on 28 Apr 2023, 03:11 pm
Good post. But, I am still trying to figure out what people want from a new OS. Is it an interface or is it information about artists? I don't know. If you could articulate what folks want, I'd love to know. It may be selfish on my part but I want simplicity that I get now. I have lived long enough to know that all change is not good.

I’d just like everything to work as intended!
A more modern interface wouldn’t hurt, but that’s secondary.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: jobiwon on 28 Apr 2023, 05:06 pm
Security is a legit concern.  At a minimum what you can do is make sure you are running modern network hardware and run all your IOT devices on a guest type network away from where you are doing any thing with critical personal information and you computers.  I know I have my thermostat on different  network for those type of things.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 29 Apr 2023, 03:57 pm
I’d just like everything to work as intended!
A more modern interface wouldn’t hurt, but that’s secondary.

I agree with you. Hopefully, Chris will take note.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: cmccaul on 1 May 2023, 07:18 pm
Hi, I tried to use squeezelite as a replacement for MPD, but didn't get same sound quality. It is definitely bitperfect but plays with some unfocused soundstage - may be it has problems with timing on single core processor. If you still want to use it I suggest to study command line arguments and run it from MM startup script with any possible settings including player name. This gives you one more advantage -  you can use latest squeezelite version 1.8 while MM includes old one (1.5 or 1.6 - don't remember exactly).

I recently purchased a used BDP-3 and use squeezelite.  Would it be possible for you to share how you installed the latest version of squeezelite and how you set some of the parameters?

Thanks,
Chris
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Jul 2023, 12:49 pm
wow, having been gone for some time, I now revisit and see there's a 3 year gap in this thread...???



Yet, I am still using my BDP-1 and am on Manic Moose so, seems still the correct thread here.


And, even worse: on my iPhone, none of the buttons show, and the interface is really impossible to use, as if it doesnt load completely. Tried refreshing, restarting the web page, even restarted the iPhone (and yes also the BDP1)

 (https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=250091)
could it be some issue with the latest iOS updates maybe?

cheers,
Marius




still experiencing all of the above, on latest firmware...


would love to get my player controls back on the iPhone, is here any hope we will ever see them?
Currently, its no use and since its the only true remote system....
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Spyman on 17 Jul 2023, 09:41 pm
Just a guess….did you try tapping the “Launch Media Player” button?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 17 Jul 2023, 09:55 pm
Sure but why would you ask?


Only seeing those little squares on any of the pages
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Spyman on 18 Jul 2023, 12:56 pm
Just trying to help.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Marius on 18 Jul 2023, 01:18 pm
Sure, andd that is always appreciated.


Though as a long standing user of the Bryston devices, I am aware how to play my library using the non-app webbrowser interface.
It is not longer showing a useful frontend on iOS devices, and that is a real let down.


let me post a slightly bigger overview of that Media player interface:
 (https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=254764)




I did have a look for on-phone set security measures that might prevent image downloads, but I didn't find any that I could link to the Bryston interface yet.
If anyone might have a lead on that?


Seems that turning on 'materiaalblokkeringen' in the safari settings (which is an 'all websites' setting) influences this, and turning it off does help.


Maybe we are better off using another browser for the BDP interface?


Fwiw, I did try to do so with a Chrome browser window, which in the App shows all images correctly. However, when trying to save that on the Home Screen as an icon, all images turn into the squared placeholders once again... arrggh
thx,
Marius
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jul 2023, 11:24 am
Hi Folks

We are beta testing OS3 now so hopefully we will have new software soon

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gil99 on 19 Jul 2023, 11:34 am
Hi James,
Will it be compatible with the BDP-1. Thanks
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jul 2023, 11:44 am
Not sure on that - I will ask Chris

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: alanford69 on 19 Jul 2023, 01:36 pm
Hi Folks

We are beta testing OS3 now so hopefully we will have new software soon

james


Sounds like very good news :thumb: :thumb:

Thanks for the update James!
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: rguising on 19 Jul 2023, 02:57 pm
Hi James,
Will it be compatible with the BDP-1. Thanks

I too am interested!  Thank you James.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: Clive197 on 19 Jul 2023, 04:29 pm
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Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: berrie on 10 Sep 2023, 12:12 pm
Will OS3 use upmpdcli as indicated in another thread?

Rigelian supports upmpdcli with Qobuz since version 3.0, and looking at the number of requests I get from Bryston users for support for streaming services it would make some people happy.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 20 Sep 2023, 01:48 pm
When the new operating system comes out to replace Manic Moose, can one opt to just keep Manic Moose? I personally have no interest in a new operating system as I only want to play music which I am doing now. I could care less about any fancy interface as I never look at the existing one except to load music.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Sep 2023, 04:56 pm
When the new operating system comes out to replace Manic Moose, can one opt to just keep Manic Moose? I personally have no interest in a new operating system as I only want to play music which I am doing now. I could care less about any fancy interface as I never look at the existing one except to load music.

Hi - yes as I understand it you will be able to use either.

james
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 23 Sep 2023, 11:23 pm
Hi - yes as I understand it you will be able to use either.

james

Thank you. I am so Happy. I'm using it now. I just loaded music I've had for years but never listened to it. I was so happy the process was direct and simple. Once loaded, the interface didn't exist as I was listening to music.  :D 8)
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: alanford69 on 24 Sep 2023, 09:55 am
By the way: any news about the OS3 release date?
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Sep 2023, 10:51 am
Still beta testing
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 25 Sep 2023, 02:08 am
Still beta testing

You have my sincere empathy. With the kind of complaints I've heard about Manic Mosse, you'd have to pay me extra to accommodate.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: jobiwon on 26 Sep 2023, 02:37 am
Still beta testing

How do you qualify to beta test
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Sep 2023, 12:47 pm
Just in engineering at this point.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gwhphoto on 14 Oct 2023, 04:54 pm
Hi

Maybe this is a dumb question, but why the cumbersome use of an internet webpage?  Why can't Bryston just develop an app for control of the pre-amp.   The current system seems very complicated compared to what a straightforward app would be.  Or, is the problem that the BR 20 does not have bluetooth or wireless connectivity that would allow an app to work directly from a phone or tablet?

Also, my new BR 20 is on the way.   I see that I need a separate control device (pad or phone) to use the digital aspects.   I have seen lots of posts in this thread that apple devices do not work with Manic Moose?  I was going to get an ipad but do I need an android device?  All of my computers are apple.     My only non-apple device is my phone, which is a Samsung.   Would I be good using my phone?

Just wondering.

And thanks for any advice.  I am new to high end digital streaming so need to get up to speed on the basics.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: pnut on 15 Oct 2023, 11:51 pm
I can't speak to IOS as I don't use Apple products, but your Android phone will work fine.  A tablet would be better because of the larger screen of course.

I too would much prefer a bluetooth app, but MM works well enough.  I do find that it sometimes tells me it can't connect when I know it can (because I have web connectivity) and I have to re-type the URL in the address bar to get it to locate my BDA, sometimes more than once.  That's annoying, but once it communicates with the BDA it works fine.  I will say that there are a lot of setup items that are not well explained or documented, and there are a lot of aspects that are not intuitive.  I hope the new version-- Naughty Narwhal? -- will be better.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: gbaby on 18 Oct 2023, 07:52 pm
  I have seen lots of posts in Athis thread that apple devices do not work with Manic Moose?  I was going to get an ipad but do I need an android device?  All of my computers are apple.     My only non-apple device is my phone, which is a Samsung.   Would I be good using my phone?

Just wondering.

And thanks for any advice.  I am new to high end digital streaming so need to get up to speed on the basics.

I have an M1 iPad Pro, an iPhone and three MacBook Pros. These are all Apple products that work fine on my BDP3/BDA3.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: vonnie123 on 2 Nov 2023, 11:20 pm
Hi

Maybe this is a dumb question, but why the cumbersome use of an internet webpage?  Why can't Bryston just develop an app for control of the pre-amp.   The current system seems very complicated compared to what a straightforward app would be.  Or, is the problem that the BR 20 does not have bluetooth or wireless connectivity that would allow an app to work directly from a phone or tablet?

Also, my new BR 20 is on the way.   I see that I need a separate control device (pad or phone) to use the digital aspects.   I have seen lots of posts in this thread that apple devices do not work with Manic Moose?  I was going to get an ipad but do I need an android device?  All of my computers are apple.     My only non-apple device is my phone, which is a Samsung.   Would I be good using my phone?

Just wondering.

And thanks for any advice.  I am new to high end digital streaming so need to get up to speed on the basics.

Apple stuff will manage Manic Moose, both via Roon, and the Manic Moose platform.

Where are you having trouble.  Do you use Roon? or another platform? 
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: pnut on 4 Nov 2023, 09:18 pm
Got a question...

In MM (latest version), when I first set up my BDA-3.14 and configured MM, there was an option under "Audio Devices" setup screen to turn on/off volume control.  I don't recall how I set that, but I think I set it up as off, or disable.  Every time I go back into that screen now, I no longer see that setting at all.  Here's a screenshot:


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=258296)


Why do I not see the setting anymore?  There is only the startup volume, no ability to enable or disable volume control.
Title: Re: Manic Moose (S2) - BDP's third major firmware release
Post by: jobiwon on 5 Nov 2023, 11:51 pm
This what mine looks like in my Pi. I have toslink selected.


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=258333)

version:
S2.45 2022-10-05
Qobuz
Fixed bug with qobuz software library

S2.45 2022-09-15
BDP-1
Bug fix for lost connection issue
loads older binary that is still BDP-1 Compatible
Updated mpd_client.js to be compatible between both binary versions
TIDAL playback, if swap file is enabled (scratch disk) player will use swap file, should improve playback reliability
Qobuz
Updated playlist get request in qobuz library