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Title: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 19 Dec 2018, 09:26 am
KEF Q150 Bookshelf Speakers (Pair, Black)

https://www.kefdirect.com/q150-bookshelf-speaker.html

https://www.amazon.com/KEF-Q150-Bookshelf-Speakers-Black-x/dp/B071P6KQZX?th=1

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-3P1G0IY7S6P/p_991Q150B/KEF-Q150-Black.html

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/410OJKaHSPL._SY450_.jpg)

Remember, the new Qx50 series are without the grill which can be purchased separately!

Model    Q150 Bookshelf Speaker
Design    Two-way bass reflex
Drive Units    Uni-Q driver array:
HF: 25mm (1in.) vented aluminium dome
LF/MF: 130mm (5.25in.) aluminium Uni-Q
Frequency Range Free Field (-6dB)    47Hz
Frequency Response (±3dB)    51Hz - 28kHz
Crossover Frequency    2.5kHz
Amplifier Requirements    10-100W [*]
Sensitivity (2.83V/1m)    86dB
Maximum Output    108dB
Nominal Impedance    8Ω (min.3.7Ω)
Weight    5,6kg (12.3 lbs)
Dimension (H X W X D)    303mm (11.92 inches) x 180mm (7.08 inches) x 278mm (10.944 inches)
Dimension (H X W X D) *with Rubber Feet    307mm (12.08 inches) x 180mm (7.08 inches) x 278mm (10.944 inches)

* Being the official sensitivity the same as the Q100, at least they will need 80 watts at 8 Ohms to show their full potential, I think. With good/very good recordings and high DR (dynamic range)!!!

I have not heard any speaker of the new series, with the rear bass-reflex. Maybe they do not require a burn-out as long as the previous one, maybe.


The old KEF Q100 thread:

KEF Q100 for $300

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=150792.0
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - kefdirect.com and Amazon.com
Post by: maty on 19 Dec 2018, 10:14 am
At Cruchfield the same price, $299.99 pair

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-3P1G0IY7S6P/p_991Q150B/KEF-Q150-Black.html

Europe and World, they are too expensive for now  :?
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 20 Dec 2018, 04:35 pm
Weight comparative.

* KEF Q100 (with grills)       5.9 kg (13 lbs)

* KEF Q150 (without grills)   5.6 kg (12.3 lbs)

* KEF LS50                          7.2 kg (15.8 lbs)

My tweaked and modded KEF Q100 sound much better after they have (after the summer) more mass over the furniture -> less vibrations -> sound more clear/detailed and 3-D. It was a substantial improvement.

Then, more mass will be beneficial in the new KEF Q150, I think.



Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 21 Dec 2018, 07:48 pm
For now there are not KEF Q150 measures, only the Q350.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-q350-loudspeaker-measurements

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The traces in figs.1 and 2 have a small wrinkle between 600 and 700Hz, suggesting the presence of a cabinet resonance in that region. However, when I investigated the vibrational behavior of the enclosure panels with an accelerometer, there was nothing untoward between 600 and 700Hz. However, there was a fairly strong mode at 309Hz on all surfaces (fig.3), and a slightly less strong one at 504Hz.

(https://www.stereophile.com/images/318K350fig3.jpg)

Fig.3 KEF Q350, cumulative spectral-decay plot calculated from output of accelerometer fastened to center of sidewall (MLS driving voltage to speaker, 7.55V; measurement bandwidth, 2kHz).


https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-measurements

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The small blip at 39kHz in the magnitude trace in fig.1 indicates that the tweeter's fundamental dome resonance lies at this very high frequency, but the traces in this graph are otherwise free from the small lower-frequency discontinuities that would suggest the presence of cabinet resonances of some kind. Cumulative spectral-decay plots of the cabinet walls' vibrational behavior, calculated from the output of a plastic-tape accelerometer, didn't uncover any midrange resonances on any of the surfaces, though the sidewalls flexed a little at the frequency of the port tuning frequency (fig.2).

(https://www.stereophile.com/images/1212KEF50fig2.jpg)

Fig.2 KEF LS50, cumulative spectral-decay plot calculated from output of accelerometer fastened to center of side panel (MLS driving voltage to speaker, 7.55V; measurement bandwidth, 2kHz).
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 22 Dec 2018, 09:41 am
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RMF2A6TZYCF6Q/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B071VYGRML

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Dan S. Higgins

The Q350's Take Time to Break In

I've been listening to the Q350's for about five weeks and the woofers are still not broken in; that warm speaker feel and sound hasn't come to fruition yet. I'm confident with more time they'll loosen up, and warm with time.

I use an iPad Mini 4 as the sound source and have found the "rock" setting in the equalizer sounds best overall. The integrated amp I use is the Yamaha AS-801 and I need to turn the bass knob to about "two o'clock" to get the warmth I like to hear. The only track I've seen to actually work and move the woofers is Rocket Empire's 'Cruising the Galaxy', loud.

Presumably the Q150 will have the same problem, as happened with the previous series. My Q100 needed about 200 hours! New they had a bright sound, without bass.
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 22 Dec 2018, 09:48 am
About the YAMAHA A-S801 integrated amplifier:

[Polish] https://audio.com.pl/testy/stereo/wzmacniacze-stereo/2786-yamaha-a-s801

to English: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Faudio.com.pl%2Ftesty%2Fstereo%2Fwzmacniacze-stereo%2F2786-yamaha-a-s801

I do not like:

(https://audio.com.pl/images/9/3/5/45935-laboratorium-yamaha-a-s801-laboratorium3-audiocompl.jpg)

I like:

(https://audio.com.pl/images/9/3/7/45937-laboratorium-yamaha-a-s801-laboratorium2-audiocompl.jpg)

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YAMAHA A-S801

    Rated power (1% THD + N, 1 kHz) [W] 8 Ω, 2x 130
    Rated power (1% THD + N, 1 kHz) [W] 4 Ω, 2x 132
    Sensitivity (for maximum power) [V] 1x 0.22
    Signal / noise ratio (A-weighted filter, with reference to 1W) [dB] 83
    Dynamics [dB] 104
    Damping factor (relative to 4 Ω) 94

Rated power in SS must be measured at 0.1% THD + N.
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 22 Dec 2018, 10:08 am
To compare.

My second system: PC -> ODAC -> AV Marantz SR4500 + KEF Q100, all tweaked and modded by me.

Win 10 Pro 1709 64 bits, very very very optimized to play multimedia. Before summer only very very optimized.

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/marantz-sr4500-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

(https://www.soundandvision.com/images/archivesart/205marantz.3.jpg)

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This graph shows that the SR4500's left channel, from CD input to speaker output with two channels driving 8-ohm loads, reaches 0.1% distortion at 100.4 watts and 1% distortion at 114.6 watts. Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reaches 0.1% distortion at 128.2 watts and 1% distortion at 158.8 watts.

Response from the multichannel input to the speaker output measures –0.43 dB at 10 Hz, –0.13 dB at 20 Hz, –0.11 dB at 20 kHz, and –0.67 dB at 50 kHz. THD+N from the amplifier was less than 0.015% at 1 kHz when driving 2.83 volts into an 8-ohm load. Crosstalk at 1 kHz driving 2.83 volts into an 8-ohm load was –79.69 dB left to right and –80.28 dB right to left. The signal-to-noise ratio with 2.83 volts driving an 8-ohm load from 10 Hz to 24 kHz with "A" weighting was –100.92 dBrA.

2.83 volts into an 8-ohm load = 1 watt/8 Ohms. Now you can look at the THD+N graphs.


Now it has lowest noise -> higher S/N (A). And higher bias and...

Modern AVR have worse measures, much worse. You can verify it:

[Polish] https://audio.com.pl/testy/kino-domowe/amplitunery-av

Very good with films (sound has low/very low DR) but not music with good/very good recordings with high DR (dynamic range).

With modern commercial/popular music, very badly recorded and low/very low DR, nothing to object.
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: Rocket on 22 Dec 2018, 11:15 am
Hi,

Enjoy only $809 dollars here in Australia :(

https://addictedtoaudio.com.au/products/kef-q150-bookshelf-speakers?variant=43751381379&gclid=CjwKCAiA3vfgBRB9EiwAkfpd3I6zCfb44aPR3q_nwpdq0CC88bXAQIlzSbUC21y2QCObVkeQnliXHhoCXsMQAvD_BwE

Cheers Rod
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 22 Dec 2018, 11:34 am
And you must add grills so that wife does not shout at you 8)
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 26 Dec 2018, 10:25 am
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2LFHSEDYQIHTM/ref=cm_cr_othr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B071P6KQZX

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Wonderful Speakers
By Mike Anderson December 22, 2018

These speakers sound fantastic, look wonderful, and shine at reproducing guitar. The bass is significantly more than I was expecting and on par, but much cleaner, than my old Spica TC-50's. As stated by everyone else the imaging is ridiculously good and really fun to play with. I tried out one of the main competitors (rhymes with "dorfdale") and found these more suited to my musical taste which is along the lines of Jack Johnson, Rush, and movies. Of course considered the UB5 [maty: ELAC] but settled on these. Only thing to note is that the tweeters took about an hour to warm up so dont freak out when you first set them up.

The problem is not the tweeter is the coaxial speakers suspension. New is very rigid -> they sound bright because the bass are small not because the tweeter is cold.

It seems that it is confirmed that they suffer from the same as the previous Qx00 series:

* furniture vibrations (thin DM walls), like a lot of spekers to spend money: in wood and, above all, in logistics.

* very rigid speaker suspension, they need a long burn-out.

The 5.25" Uni-Q coaxial speaker is very good but expensive too.

Knowing the weaknesses, with patience first and spending a little money on refining the first order filters and adding mass we will have excellent speakers. And on some supports, filled with cheap sand (not from the beach, because salt corrodes), better than on a shelf. Cheap construction sand -like mines- or silica for pets.

Of course, having rear bass-reflex will need space. How much? I do not know.

KEF LS50 passive need about 90 cm / 30-35" of distance from the three walls, that is why many sound bad in their homes, because they have not bothered to inform themselves properly! Well, and only 79 Hz at -3 dB. To have more bass, they approach to walls and lose their magic. They need a subwoofer to play all kind of music.

KEF LS50 wireless/active have a DSP which seems to improve the sound on a shelf and the few bass. Btw: tweeter with class AB and woofer with class D.

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frequency response

(±3dB) Measured at 85dB/1m
45Hz – 28kHz (More bass extension)
50Hz – 28kHz (Standard)
61Hz – 28kHz (Less bass extension)
Depending on speaker settings <- DSP


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WEIGHT

Left Speaker 10.0kg (22.0lbs.)
Right Speaker 10.2kg (22.5lbs.)
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2019, 07:20 pm
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RG7J03CFH7YR2/ref=cm_cr_othr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B071P6KQZX

by Darren, December 28, 2018

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...Sound quality: Wow. It's really hard to describe how these sound because it's almost like the sound isn't coming from the speakers at all. What I can detail is how clear and crisp everything is. The highs are crisp and crystal clear. The mids are clear and warm. Then there's the bass. Do not believe in the frequency range numbers. These definitely go down beyond the claimed 51Hz. I was worried about having to get a subwoofer, coming from RP-500m's, but these produce an astonishing amount of bass for the size. Provided in the box are two bass port plugs with 2 stages: both foam pieces together or you can remove the inner foam piece for just a foam ring. My advice: put them in with just the outer foam because it tightens up the bass and makes it less boomy. All in all, these sound great. I like electronic music mostly and these are perfect for EDM or house music. Deadmau5 sounds amazing on these. Likewise, these will sound great with pretty much any genre of music.

I'm powering them with a Nobsound TPA3116 100W mini amplifier and it's plenty of power. I did recently purchase an Audioengine N22 amplifier and while it sounded great with the KEFS, it unfortunately had unbalanced channels. So I'm sticking with the Nobsound for now. I'm sure these would sound much better with a high end amplifier, but it shows how forgiving these are of the power source.

In conclusion, these are great for near field listening: punchy bass, warm mids, and crystal clear highs. These definitely need to be broken in because they will sound harsh during the first couple of hours. After that, they become mellow and warm sounding. It's easy to listen to and pretty to look at. Can't wait to see what KEF does in the future!

[PDF] http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tpa3116d2.pdf

Max power must be at 0.1% THD in a SS.


These definitely go down beyond the claimed 51Hz

If they are too close to the walls there will be a forced enhancement of the bass. If it is electronic music, nothing to object, but with more refined ones, better keep the distances, I say.
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2019, 07:33 pm
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-SPmesHWMi1d/p_991Q150B/KEF-Q150-Black.html

Excellent execution by KEF

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by Shane from Clay, MI on 12/27/2018

These are excellent. After a Christmas shoot out with another pair of speakers that we're getting rave reviews, these beat them out immediately. They're going in my office with my Elac Unifi UB5's. That's who they compete with. Bass great. Treble is a little crisper than the Elacs which is nice. It's not overwhelming though. Soundstage is apparent right out of the box. Digital Trends got the analogy correct. If the Elac Unifi UB5 is a Chardonnay, then the KEF q150 is a smoky Pinot Noir. Right on. The Elac mids stand out a little more. The KEF's are the more laid back Brit sound. I absolutely love them. Highly recommended. Powered by an old Onkyo 809 receiver and Oppo bdp 93

Pros: Great bass. Crisp highs but not etchy at all..just enough. Great soundstage

Cons: Not as much attack as say a horn speaker but it's really not a con. It's preference. I could listen to these for hours without fatigue.

https://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-NR809&class=Receiver

Front L/R   135 W + 135 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
160 W + 160 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.1%, 2 channels driven, FTC)

Note: if an AVR does not say power at 4 Ohms (usually modern AVR) -> it must be hot/very hot at medium power (speakers "4 Ohms"). This is a known problem in modern Marantz/Denon and others.
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 2 Jan 2019, 10:06 pm
Hummm...

About the KEF Q150 bass

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/about-the-kef-q150-bass.782565/

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I get very loud deep bass, they sound quite bloated and they lack definition / punchiness. I don't feel the bass when in certain sound I know I should feel it. They're currently powered by a Marantz M-CR511 (40w in 8ohms), could the problem be there?

To be more specific, they're in a 20 square meters room, both on 60mm stands, 30cm from the wall...

Without graphs we can not know if KEF has enhanced the bass in the Q150.
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 3 Jan 2019, 08:23 am
Maybe Q150, with rear bass-reflex, is like LS50, which need about 90 cm from the three walls.

Small room and rear bass-reflex. Rear is more neat but can be more problematic, depending on the design.

If reader who has it could provide light on this, it would be appreciated.
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 3 Jan 2019, 08:30 am
KEF Q100 graphs:

The black line is the front bass-reflex frequency graph:

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q100/KEF-Q100-frequency-bass-reflex.png)

Maybe the Q150 rear bass-reflex has a big first peak.


Impedance and phase too:

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q100/KEF-Q100-impedance-phase.png)

But it is not a small room!

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To be more specific, they're in a 20 square meters room, both on 60mm stands, 30cm from the wall...
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 3 Jan 2019, 09:12 am
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/about-the-kef-q150-bass.782565/#post-19802590

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Ok so I spent hours listening to different musics that I know and placing the speakers at different positions in my room. I finally found something that sounded good! Without any ajustement on my receiver I finally was able to detach the voice of Jack Johnson from the bass in "Middle Man".

The only problem is that it was almost in the middle of my room and facing a corridor so I could not let them there but what's sound the closest at the moment is when I place them in their original place and change the output frequency characteristics to cut the low frequencies of 60 Hz or under by –12dB/oct.

Still not perfect I guess because I feel like I'm loosing some bass...but I'll try to buy another amp later if I can to see if it improves. Something like a Marantz PM6006, I heard that it might have better control than my AVR. I won't be able to try the Q350 as it's a bit over my budget at the moment and I thought that for the size of my listening room the Q150 would suffice.
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 3 Jan 2019, 09:18 am
Something like my EQ with my 120 Ohms, 105dB and 53mm (http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/hard/Takstar-ts671-specifications-23072014.png) cheap open dynamic headphones Takstar ts671 (http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/hard/takstar-ts671-recable.jpg) (tweaked, modded and recabled) when I connected them to my tweaked and modded AV Marantz SR4500 (330 Ohms at output headphone (http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/hard/AV-Marantz-SR4500-headphone-scheme.png)s). But HPF at 60 Hz.

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/soft/iZotope-RX-7-De-Hum-220-takstar-ts671-JRMC.png)

* The optim fr to cut is 210 Hz. Before tweak and mod: 178 Hz, years ago, with the AV without mods.

** Tweak, mod and recable optimized to listen to them with my class A iFi iCAN head amp (http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/hard/Takstar-ts671-cables-iCAN-1.jpg). The problem is now, AV tweaked and modded, the sound is much better with the class AB Marantz!


******* ******* ********

Off topic

The files of KEF LS50 sound test from here:

https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/reviews/kef-ls50-david-versus-jbl-4722-cinema-goliath-speaker-comparison-with-binaural-recordings-r768/
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 13 Jan 2019, 11:15 am
KEF Q150 T/S parameters by mauroa

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/320822-kef-q150-parameters-post5421274.html

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q150/KEF-Q150-T-S-parameters.png)

Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 2 Mar 2019, 11:55 am
KEF LS50 wireless has inside two amps: woofer with 200 watts class D and tweeter with 30 watts class AB.

KEF LS50, passive, has a true sensitivity of only 83 dB/W/m.

KEF Q100, has a true sensitivity of 85 dB/W/m.

I suppose that KEF Q150 has the same true sensitivity of Q100, 85 dB/W/m.


What power do I need to match the same SPL? At max power.

https://www.doctorproaudio.com/content.php?2273-calculators-proaudio-sound-dmx&langid=1#calc_spl

KEF LS50 wireless, 200 watts and 3m

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q100/KEF-LS50-wireless-SPL.png)


KEF Q100 or Q150, 126 watts and 3m

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q100/KEF-Q100-SPL-like-LS50-wireless.png)


KEF LS50 wireless at 200 watts has the same SPL than KEF Q100 and Q150 with 126 watts.


Well, the more important thing is that KEF thinks that these 5.25" coaxial speakers like amplifiers with a lot of watts, which is what I have been affirming for a long time.

At least, 80 watts at 8 Ohms with THD 0.1% the Q100. Then the same the Q150.


PS: very good recordings with high/very high DR. With modern commercial music, with DR << 10 dB we need less power.
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 30 Mar 2019, 10:27 am
My impressions: ELAC UB5 vs. KEF Q150 vs. Ascend CBM-170 SE

https://www.reddit.com/r/audiophile/comments/a5d747/my_impressions_elac_ub5_vs_kef_q150_vs_ascend/
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 21 May 2019, 03:24 pm
Review ! KEF Q100 vs Q150 !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUHn3BEhUnM
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 5 Jun 2019, 02:23 pm
KEFdirect: $299
https://www.kefdirect.com/q150-bookshelf-speaker.html

Amazon.com: $334
https://www.amazon.com/KEF-Q150-Bookshelf-Speakers-Black-x/dp/B071P6KQZX?th=1


Crutchfield: $550
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-cmB5q8MhotJ/p_991Q150B/KEF-Q150-Black.html
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 22 Jun 2019, 10:44 am
If you want to spend more money:

KEF R3 Review: Exemplary speakers that do almost everything right (http://"https://thenextweb.com/plugged/2019/06/21/kef-r3-review-exemplary-speakers-that-do-almost-everything-right/")

(https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2019/06/R3-2.png)

(https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2019/06/R3-Horizontal-1.png)

(https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2019/06/R3V2-2.png)
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 6 Nov 2019, 07:02 pm
KEF Q150, pair $299.98

https://www.amazon.com/KEF-Q150-Bookshelf-Speakers-Black/dp/B071P6KQZX/

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-vIVOkOWZOsY/p_991Q150B/KEF-Q150-Black.html

(https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/kef-q150-pair-jpg.38041/)


Grills: $19

https://www.amazon.com/KEF-Speaker-Grille-Q150-Magnetic/dp/B07236KWSD/

(https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/kef-q150-grills-pair-jpg.38042/)
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Post by: maty on 9 Nov 2019, 11:15 am
Finally, frequency measurements.

Just got the KEF Q150. I'm impressed! by Laurent231Qc Oct 5

https://imgur.com/gallery/dFWImnF

[ Sound:

First, I must say that I'm very impressed by these speakers. The bass they produce is unexpected for their size. It is deep and very present, but it is not the punchiest  bass I've heard. Even if they produce a good amount of bass for a 5 1/4 '', it is very precise. Sometimes it sounds boomy, but it really depends on the song. They have a very very good midrange. Vocals are sound rich and full. It is their strong point. I don't have much to say on the midrange honestly, it just sound good. The highs extend very well and are well balance. It doesn't sound harsh at all. They sound relaxed if I can put it that way.

Soundstage:

They produce a phenomenal soundstage and imaging. It's by far the best I've heard. They do need to be placed correctly though.

Build/finish:

They seem well built. At this price it's obviously a vinyl finish, but it looks very good and well made.

Overall, I'm very happy with my new purchase. They sound way better than my last speakers. I got the at a discount (398$ CAD) and at that price it is worth it. I tried other speakers at that price point and the KEF Q150 simply sounded better than the others.

(https://i.imgur.com/qj6jbl1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/qj6jbl1.png)

Here is the frequency response of the my KEF Q150 in my room. They have a small foam that I can put in the back port to change their bass response. In purple, there is no foam. In red their is half of the foam. In green there is all the foam.


(https://i.imgur.com/RpwkI7y.png) (https://i.imgur.com/RpwkI7y.png)

Here is the frequency response separated. In purple, there is no foam. In red their is half of the foam. In green there is all the foam. ]
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Post by: poseidonsvoice on 9 Nov 2019, 12:48 pm
Maty,

In the graphs you posted, the 320dB vertical range makes the curves look purposefully and artificially flat. Great for marketing, but poor for engineering and seeing the truth. Tell the OP on Imgur to set it to a 50dB scale and try again. 1/12th or 1/6th octave smoothing for the horizontal range should give us a decent idea of the FR in a room which is the best you can do. Or tell the OP to take it back to KEF’s anechoic chamber to get it properly measured!

Best,
Anand.
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 9 Nov 2019, 12:55 pm
I know it is artificially flat smoothed out, like many others graphs. The major difference with KEF Q100 is they have "V" response, easily modified with a new crossover taking advantage of the original components to spend money (Zvu) or with minimum-phase PEQ.

* https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/minimum-phase-vs-linear-phase.8762/page-7#post-225351

* https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/minimum-phase-vs-linear-phase.8762/post-253826

Let us see if someone is encouraged and makes complete measurements, without smoothed out the frequency response like Zvu or Danny Richie.

But for now...
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 9 Nov 2019, 02:39 pm
Just now I have created a new account in Reddit and I have send a message to Laurent231Qc. Imgur is too much nosey (asks tfn number).

Until tomorrow I can not post in the last KEF Q150 thread where he wrote:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BudgetAudiophile/comments/dtkjmg/kef_q150_or_fluance_ai60_why/

-> private message to: https://www.reddit.com/user/Laurent231Qc/
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: BigLaure on 10 Nov 2019, 08:58 pm
Hey guys,
This is a response to the feedback I had on the measurements I made. I see now that they can be very misleading if you do not pay attention to the scale. So here are the new measurements (that I just made) of my KEF Q150. I used a 50 dB scale and a 1/12th octave horizontal smoothing.
The measurements were made with a MiniDSP Umik-1 (with the calibration file) at 75 dB (pink noise).

Now I must say that it's a lot messier than the previous. The y-axis scale changes a lot the look of the curve. I'll be more careful in the feature and thanks for pointing out to me that I made a mistake!
That said, it doesn't change the fact that I'm still very impressed and happy with them.  :D

*It's my first post on AudioCircle, so if something is not right tell me and I'll change it.


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=200702)
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: timind on 11 Nov 2019, 01:40 am
Hey guys,
This is a response to the feedback I had on the measurements I made. I see now that they can be very misleading if you do not pay attention to the scale. So here are the new measurements (that I just made) of my KEF Q150. I used a 50 dB scale and a 1/12th octave horizontal smoothing.
The measurements were made with a MiniDSP Umik-1 (with the calibration file) at 75 dB (pink noise).

Now I must say that it's a lot messier than the previous. The y-axis scale changes a lot the look of the curve. I'll be more careful in the feature and thanks for pointing out to me that I made a mistake!
That said, it doesn't change the fact that I'm still very impressed and happy with them.  :D

*It's my first post on AudioCircle, so if something is not right tell me and I'll change it.


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=200702)

Thanks for the effort, and welcome to AudioCircle.

I've heard the Q150 and was pretty amazed at what they do for the price. Right now though, I'm listening to the R3s, a lot more money, but wow, they sound good.
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 11 Nov 2019, 07:04 am
Resized and optimized

(https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/kef-q150-frequency-50db-1-12-png.38484/) (https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/kef-q150-frequency-50db-1-12-png.38484/)

And thank you very much!
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 12 Nov 2019, 11:58 am
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-5Ue8EiLH1xs/p_991Q150B/KEF-Q150-Black.html

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Crutchfield customer from Cambridge, MA on 10/1/2019

Love these. Mainly classical listener. Lovely, lively balance throughout the range. Warm, with clear high end. Piano music, for example, beautifully rendered. Port plugs with center punched out helped, as recommended by KEF and various reviewers.

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q150/KEF-Q150-LF-frequency-port-foam.png) (http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q150/KEF-Q150-LF-frequency-port-foam.png)
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 23 Nov 2019, 08:08 am
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RAIJ8ECI9GM5B/ref=cm_cr_othr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B071P6KQZX

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The best speaker that $300 could buy you
November 20, 2019

...But KEF Q150s were way over my budget at the time so I ended up with ELACs for front L/R and ELAC Debut 2.0 C5.2 for center, with Fluance AVBP2 bipole speakers rounding up my set-up as side surrounds...

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I was amazed with the result. My whole system was instantly transformed. Now I am a believer in using direct speakers for surrounds, although partly it may be the Uni-Q design of KEF Q150, and other direct speakers may or may not be as good for this purpose. But KEFs worked amazingly well. They opened ELACs up, too, so I was very pleased. And they looked so sleek, too! I decided to take a further leap and replace my ELAC L/C/R with KEF Q150s. Let me tell you that results were spectacular. YPAO nailed it right away and for the first time I did not have to change anything except setting speakers to small with the crossover at 80 Hz to redirect bass to the subwoofer.

The sound was so good that I could not stop watching Dolby Atmos and DTS:X trailers on youtube. This is an amazing little speaker! Way more detailed than ELAC, well balanced and clean, whether played at high volume or low. At the original price what I did would not have been a viable project for me but with the current discount I got a sound system that I could only dream about before. KEF Q150 at $300 vs ELAC Debut 2.0 at $300? There is no contest! You owe it to yourself to get KEFs. They are in a different class than ELAC. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 15 Dec 2019, 10:19 am
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1RK7NA6RE9DVT/ref=cm_cr_othr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B071P6KQZX

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Amazing bookshelf speakers for the price - stop looking and buy these
December 13, 2019

If you’re in the market for some bookshelf speakers at a reasonable you should stop looking and buy these. Right out of the box they need to break in so you won’t really get the full glory for about 10-15 hours. But once they are broken in they’re incredible.

I did a fair amount of research and listened to a lot of bookshelf speakers proved from $500-1200 a pair and the money these sounded as good as any pair I heard that was over $1000.

I have them in a room that is about 13’ x 9’ and they fill room with sound. Bass is punchy considering the size of the driver and the highs are clear as a bell. I’m not sure they would hold up as well in a large room but for the a small setup they’re absolutely killer...
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 25 Jan 2020, 04:56 pm
Pictures from: YouTube Kef q150 look inside and free air (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbUowoIc2yI)

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q150/KEF-Q150-coaxial-driver.jpg) (http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q150/KEF-Q150-coaxial-driver.jpg)

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q150/KEF-Q150-inside-bracing.jpg) (http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q150/KEF-Q150-inside-bracing.jpg)

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q150/KEF-Q150-inside-crossover.jpg) (http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q150/KEF-Q150-inside-crossover.jpg)


Two first order as KEF Q100 but cheaper coil now and higher value: 0.8 mH.

Q100 has a 0.68 mH air coil:

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q100/KEF-Q100-crossover.jpg) (http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q100/KEF-Q100-crossover.jpg)
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 26 Jan 2020, 10:00 am
by Pallas

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/320822-kef-q150-parameters-post6059109.html

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Lotsa cost cutting there. The Q150 driver has a stamped sheet metal frame. The Q100 driver had a nice cast alloy frame.


KEF Q100 5.25" coaxial driver

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q100/KEF-Q100-coaxial-driver.jpg) (http://"http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q100/KEF-Q100-coaxial-driver.jpg")


KEF Q150 5.25" coaxial driver

(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q150/KEF-Q150-coaxial-driver.jpg) (http://"http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-q150/KEF-Q150-coaxial-driver.jpg")
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 26 Jan 2020, 10:47 am
KEF LS50 5.25" coaxial driver

FTGH: KEF Uni-Q (LS50) drivers with deformed cones - Classifieds - Audio - StereoNET (http://"https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/119026-ftgh-kef-uni-q-ls50-drivers-with-deformed-cones/?do=findComment&comment=1796639")
 
(http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-ls50/KEF-LS50-coaxial-driver.jpg) (http://"http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/kef-ls50/KEF-LS50-coaxial-driver.jpg")
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 3 Feb 2020, 08:35 pm
by napilopez

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/kef-ls50-bookshelf-speaker-review.11144/post-319718
Title: Re: KEF Q150 for $300 - Kefdirect.com, Amazon.com and Crutchfield.com
Post by: maty on 18 Mar 2020, 09:05 am
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/kef-q100-speaker-review.11987/post-352839

[ I actually experimented with the Q150 awhile back and measured Open ports, partial sealed and sealed parts and got this.

(https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/q150-port-plugs-jpg.54777/)

You're giving up a lot of output where it matters by sealing the speakers in my opinion. I personally prefer running the Q150 and LS50 with the ports open and 4th order slopes to blend to a sub, they sound much better not trying to reproduce deep bass and it takes care of any port resonance also. ]