Baltic Birch in/near Saint Louis

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gerchin

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Re: Baltic Birch in/near Saint Louis
« Reply #60 on: 5 Dec 2020, 11:53 pm »
My "ambitious" projects include a few of my hobbies.... Wood, metal, and epoxy.  :roll:

What? No duct tape?  :)

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Re: Baltic Birch in/near Saint Louis
« Reply #61 on: 5 Dec 2020, 11:54 pm »
Well.... not where you can see. Of course.  :wink:

gerchin

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Re: Baltic Birch in/near Saint Louis
« Reply #62 on: 6 Dec 2020, 12:00 am »
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gerchin

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Re: Baltic Birch in/near Saint Louis
« Reply #63 on: 6 Dec 2020, 03:36 pm »
Returning to the issue of laminating to increase thickness, this morning I wondered if there might be advantage to combining dissimilar materials and stumbled across this: https://soundproofcentral.com/soundproof-wood/. Has anybody tried cork as a sound-absorbing material inside a loudspeaker enclosure? Or perhaps just combining plywood with another material?

Also of interest: https://soundproofcentral.com/recommended-products/damping-compound/

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Re: Baltic Birch in/near Saint Louis
« Reply #64 on: 6 Dec 2020, 04:23 pm »
I think it's important to distinguish between soundproofing a structure and damping a cabinet. While there's overlap in the applications, they aren't one in the same. Green Glue is not a glue per se. It's sticky and gooey, but isn't considered structural, so implementation isn't as straight forward as substituting it for glue in a panel layup. I can't speak to the effectiveness of cork in loudspeakers, but do use for vibrational damping on machines.

Bear in mind the physics. All one can do with any vibrational energy is convert it to something else...typically heat. It can't be "absorbed" or removed, but it can be reconfigured into a less intrusive element of a given design. 

I used MDF and BB ply sandwich in this build. https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=139529.0

Theoretically, it changed the resonant characteristics of things, but I can't attest to a sonic benefit or detriment. Which brings me to another point. When I read about modifying construction methods the vast majority always seems to change for the better, which is statistically improbable. More a brain thing than a science thing, methinks.

It also seems to provides fodder for endless forum discussions, so there's that...

gerchin

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Re: Baltic Birch in/near Saint Louis
« Reply #65 on: 6 Dec 2020, 04:49 pm »
Yes, I agree, and I do understand. In the soundproofing site they describe the difference between sound "blocking" (generally reflection) and sound absorption. Cork is a good absorber, but not a good blocker. In my 2-way design, the same portion of the enclosure necessarily handles the whole range from bass to about 500 Hz. A bass enclosure is generally made stiff to move the panel resonance frequencies above the bandwidth of the woofer. A midrange enclosure is generally made "floppy" (relatively speaking), to move the panel resonance frequencies below the bandwidth of the midrange. In my design I don't have the luxury of "both", so I have to try to make it stiff for the bass but lossy for the midrange.

An important concept that is often overlooked in both constrained-layer damping and sandwiched construction (with damping material in-between) (which is not constrained-layer damping) is that in order for the damping to be effective, something's gotta move. That is to say, one of the layers has to be allowed to vibrate so that the damping material can ... damp. It offends the sensibilities of most people to build a "floppy" enclosure, so most people (myself included) opt for very high stiffness and relatively high mass, so that whatever remaining movement is minimal. I'm just considering alternatives to that.

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Re: Baltic Birch in/near Saint Louis
« Reply #66 on: 8 Dec 2020, 12:31 am »
My favorite place is U pick hardwoods
https://upickhardwoodlumber.com/hardwood-products/

I forget the guys name, but he's nice and might be able to order some 1 inch BB




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Re: Baltic Birch in/near Saint Louis
« Reply #67 on: 8 Dec 2020, 01:02 am »
Thanks. BTW, I envy your woodworking skills. I used to be pretty handy, but have been out of it for decades. I'll have to re-learn just about everything.

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Re: Baltic Birch in/near Saint Louis
« Reply #68 on: 2 Feb 2021, 01:39 am »
Sorry for the late response, I check infrequently. Have you looked at Schaller Hardwood in south county?

http://schallerhardwood.com/

gerchin

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Re: Baltic Birch in/near Saint Louis
« Reply #69 on: 2 Feb 2021, 02:08 am »
Thank you -- that looks like a great source.