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Industry Circles => NuPrime Audio => Topic started by: rustydoglim on 14 Oct 2018, 05:08 pm
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Omnia S1 will be on demo at Paris Audio Show, Oct 20,21,22
https://www.parisaudiovideoshow.com (https://www.parisaudiovideoshow.com)
Distributor has received it and reported that everything working fine. Whew! I was worried that it won't survived the trip. The digital outputs already came loose when it was at the GuanZhou hi-fi show last month. This is the only prototype making its way around (China -> Singapore -> Paris).
But we are already making more pre production units after going through hardware and software test.
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What is the s1?
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A Desktop All-In-One Hi-Res Media Server, Streamer, Player, DAC & Headphone Amp
The NuPrime Omnia S1 is the heart of your high-end music system with the following differentiating features:
1. The ARM CPU, firmware and upgradable DAC module handle 32-bit/768kHz and DSD1024 decoding of any available music format. Current production model supports DAC module with ESS9018K2M (standard) or AKM4490EQ (upon request) DAC chip.
2. Audio Processing Decoupled from CPU: To isolate the audio processing from performance degradation due to high CPU utilization or signal drop-off due to wireless congestion, the Omnia Audio Processor Unit (OAP Unit) operates independently from the CPU and provides caching of digital music and completely eliminates jitter.
3. Real-Time Hardware Decoding.
4. Sampling rate conversion.
5. Custom designed OPA chip with high output current for headphones Amplifier & Line Out (XLR, RCA).
Inputs:
• 3 x USB (Host) port for high-speed external HDD & wifi dongle or keyboard / mouse.
• 1 x Ethernet RJ45 10Mbit/100Mbit/1Gbit
Outputs:
• 1 x Optical
• 1 x Coaxial
• 1 x HDMI output (720P)
• 1 x Balance Output (XLR)
• 1 x Single-ended (RCA)
• 1 x Headphones Amp (6.3mm). Volume controlled output.
Supported file types:
• AAC, AIF, ALAC, CUE, APE, DIF, DSF, FLAC, MP3, OGG, WAV, WV and WMA
Sampling Rate:
• 44.1Khz - 768Khz PCM at 16 - 32bits
• DSD64, DSD128, DSD256, DSD512, DSD1024
Linear output specifications:
• Frequency response range: 20 - 20KHz, +/- 0.1dB
• THD : < 0.001%, 20Hz-20KHz at 0dBFS
• Dynamic range: 110dB, 20Hz-20KHz, A-weighted
• Line output voltage (Single-ended): 2Vrms
• Line output voltage (Balance): 8Vrms
• Headphone amplifier output matching impedance: 32~600 Ohm
• Headphone amplifier output power: 100mW ~ 1W (≤1%)
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This is the long in the wait product that is finally coming out.
Here's how you would use it:
1. Desktop Player - Connect a display, keyboard, mouse to Omnia S1 and use it as a high end player to play Spotify, Tidal, Qobuz, ....all day long. You don't need a smart phone to control it.
2. Music Server - connect hard drive (there is an opening at the bottom for easy install of hard drive) internally or through USB ports at the front and back.
3. Streaming receiver - use smartphone to stream from other music server to Omnia S1.
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The analog output can be fixed (ie not affected by software player's volume) or software controlled (through admin setting). It comes with an IR remote control for adjusting its hardware volume control.
Price = reasonable, hopefully $995.
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The analog output can be fixed (ie not affected by software player's volume) or software controlled (through admin setting). It comes with an IR remote control for adjusting its hardware volume control.
Price = reasonable, hopefully $995.
Roon endpoint?
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Awesome product. Low price!
Would love to see pics.
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Here you can see some pictures. Looks like the enclosure used on the IDA-8 and the 9s:
NuPrime Facebook Post (https://www.facebook.com/NuPrimeFR/posts/1265204290285834)
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I'm happy to see the option of ESS or AKM DACs! But software will be key to success. Exactly how does it work with Tidal/Spotify/Qobuz/etc? Is it "Roon Ready"? Can it be a Roon Core? How would we install LMS and Squeezelite? BubbleUPnP? MinimServer? Subsonic? Plex?
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I'm happy to see the option of ESS or AKM DACs! But software will be key to success. Exactly how does it work with Tidal/Spotify/Qobuz/etc? Is it "Roon Ready"? Can it be a Roon Core? How would we install LMS and Squeezelite? BubbleUPnP? MinimServer? Subsonic? Plex?
Additionally, I'd like to understand how the Omnia performs relative to the DAC9/DAC10 as a DAC. Is this intended to "duplicate the performance" these models PLUS add streamer capability all for a lower price point? Is this truly a one-box solution, or will you still get better DAC performance by using the DAC9/DAC10? Either way, this looks like a compelling product for many in the marketplace. Just get one of these, add active speakers, and you are......DONE!
Regards, -dGB
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If so, my week old, more expensive DAC 10 makes me feel screwed.
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If so, my week old, more expensive DAC 10 makes me feel screwed.
I wouldn't feel that way. The DAC10 (I have one) is excellent. But time -- and technology -- march on. I am interested in NuPrime's response on this, whether the Omnia is meant as a "competitor" for the DAC9/DAC10 or a complementary piece.
Regards, -dGB
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I seriously doubt't you would be getting more for less.
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For one, the Omnia has only USB input for digital sources... so a TV, or AV Receiver, or many other devices (including CD transports) are not an option.
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For one, the Omnia has only USB input for digital sources... so a TV, or AV Receiver, or many other devices (including CD transports) are not an option.
True, but I run a minimalist digital/network system. Haven't played a CD on my CD player in several years. An Ethernet port (or wireless) with a USB back-up would be just fine for me. Every time I make a change to my system these days, it gets smaller and less complicated...and generally sounds better for the change. Haven't had to make a trade-off between simplicity and sound quality yet.
-dGB
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True, but I run a minimalist digital/network system. Haven't played a CD on my CD player in several years. An Ethernet port (or wireless) with a USB back-up would be just fine for me. Every time I make a change to my system these days, it gets smaller and less complicated...and generally sounds better for the change. Haven't had to make a trade-off between simplicity and sound quality yet.
-dGB
P.S. I am giving consideration to changing my avatar soon. My Philadelphia Eagles are stinking up the joint. February seems an eon ago.
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Omnia S1 is positioned to complement other existing products, so it is intentionally without digital inputs.
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Jason
When is the distribution at retailers?
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I think samples to distributors before end of the year. Actual mass production shipping mid January.
Due to US tariff, Taiwan factories are getting unusual amount of orders so everything is delayed. Even though Nuprime is not affected by tariff, but still getting collateral damage, lol.
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I have not understood if the Omnia S1 is also a preamplifier, in order to be connected directly to a STA9 or STA10.
It would make sense, due to the technology of the Nuprime integrated amplifiers.
Any plan to release a similar model without integrated DAC? It coul be well seen as a pure digital transport solution.
Does it support Internet Radios and has some technicality in order to optimize their sound?
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The first model to be released will be without internal DAC.
It is a customized Android board so technically we will configure internet radio, Spotify, Tidal and all other commonly available streaming Apps on it. Since the hardware is optimized, it is not a general purpose Android device and it is not open for you to install any app as you wish.
The DLNA receiver and server are part of the device service and will run persistently.
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The first model to be released will be without internal DAC.
It is a customized Android board so technically we will configure internet radio, Spotify, Tidal and all other commonly available streaming Apps on it. Since the hardware is optimized, it is not a general purpose Android device and it is not open for you to install any app as you wish.
The DLNA receiver and server are part of the device service and will run persistently.
Thanks for that answer! I found more info here too: https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=151501.0
Over on ComputerAudiophile this product will get shot down immediately if it's not a Roon endpoint, but perhaps that is not the target market.
Personally I only use streamers compatible with LMS. Don't know how you'd install Squeezelite in that type of system, or an Android app like SqueezePlayer. Probably not worth the trouble for NuPrime. The Omnia can pull local music from an LMS server using DLNA, LMS can probably see it as a player using the UPnPBridge plugin, and the Omnia can stream the major services on its own. That ought to be good enough.
So I guess my next question is: will the Omnia Tidal app support MQA bit perfect passthrough and/or MQA 1x unfolding? (I subscribe to both Tidal and Qobuz at the moment.)
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Over on ComputerAudiophile this product will get shot down immediately if it's not a Roon endpoint, but perhaps that is not the target market.
Omnia S2 (has a built-in DAC) can be a Roon endpoint but keep in mind that it is also a server, so unless you must use Roon software, there is no need for Roon.
So I guess my next question is: will the Omnia Tidal app support MQA bit perfect passthrough and/or MQA 1x unfolding? (I subscribe to both Tidal and Qobuz at the moment.)
There is no specific Omnia Tidal app, it is Tidal app (we don't make our version, it is the offical Tidal version).
We implemented MQA in Evolution DAC. From an engineer perspective, I don't see any difference whether you do the MQA decoding (they called it unfolding) from the computer (PC, Mac or Android) or from hardware. Why? Because we realise that the so called hardware unfolding is just some firmware code on XMOS USB chip.
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Jason,
Do you think the S1 will be available by mid-March?
Regards,
Michael
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Omnia S2 (has a built-in DAC) can be a Roon endpoint but keep in mind that it is also a server, so unless you must use Roon software, there is no need for Roon.
There is no specific Omnia Tidal app, it is Tidal app (we don't make our version, it is the offical Tidal version).
We implemented MQA in Evolution DAC. From an engineer perspective, I don't see any difference whether you do the MQA decoding (they called it unfolding) from the computer (PC, Mac or Android) or from hardware. Why? Because we realise that the so called hardware unfolding is just some firmware code on XMOS USB chip.
Thanks for your reply. I'd want to use my own DAC in each case: (1) with the S1 as a Roon endpoint connected to my DAC, or (2) with the S1 providing a bit perfect passthrough of the Tidal MQA signal to my DAC. No unfolding needed. I suspect you will get many questions about this.
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Tidal website says that MQA will be available on Android at a later date:
https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000251305-Listen-to-MQA-with-the-TIDAL-app (https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000251305-Listen-to-MQA-with-the-TIDAL-app)
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Tidal website says that MQA will be available on Android at a later date:
https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000251305-Listen-to-MQA-with-the-TIDAL-app (https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000251305-Listen-to-MQA-with-the-TIDAL-app)
I am aware of that, and now I understand: this product will run official Android apps only. [edit:] As of the latest update the Tidal Android app offers 1x software MQA decoding when played through the app, but it does not support external DACs that can do rendering or full 4x MQA decoding via USB. For the USB path many use the UAPP app instead, so it would be nice to be able to install UAPP. [/edit] Also, Roon does not run as an endpoint on Android. Luckily I'm just about done with MQA and Tidal, and am enjoying Hi-Res streaming from Qobuz.
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I had a free trial for Qobuz. Trust me, Tidal is better.
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I've had Tidal for almost three years and Qobuz for over 18 months and I feel just the opposite. I rarely use Tidal unless there is some obscure artist that is not distributed in Europe then I use Tidal.
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Content aside, I found Tidal to sound better on MY system. Qobuz lacks detail. Different strokes....
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They do sound different I give you that and which one you prefer the sound of will be based on system and personal preference.
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To avoid taking this thread off-topic, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on Tidal vs. Qobuz differences, as ears and brains also have differences.
I am still interested in learning more about the Omnia S1, to compare with other products. It appears the OS will not support some software options preferred by Audiophiles and tech hobbyists. But OK, perhaps that is not the target market. So what about the hardware? Any sonic improvements or other special features?
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Today we did the audio comparison (at Singapore distributor showroom) with Omnia S1 and CDP-9 transport (using the DAC inside CDP-9). The result ? With the same music, the difference is very small. CDP-9 was using standard external PSU so Omnia S1 sounded a bit fuller and natural (we are certain that if CDP-9 is using linear power supply there would be no difference).
CDP-9 is a bit more forward than Omnia. This is what we are expecting. A high end CD transport should perform nearly identical to a high end media server for the same CD music.
This is the last confirmation we need before releasing Omnia S1 for production. We changed the priority where S1 without internal DAC board will be released first to satisfy existing customers who already have integrated amp or DAC. Omnia S2 will include an internal DAC and headphone amp just like the version shown at the Paris Audio Show.
The production ship date should be around mid to end of March. Omnia S2 might be released in April.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189204)
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Today we did the audio comparison (at Singapore distributor showroom) with Omnia S1 and CDP-9 transport (using the DAC inside CDP-9). The result ? With the same music, the difference is very small. CDP-9 was using standard external PSU so Omnia S1 sounded a bit fuller and natural (we are certain that if CDP-9 is using linear power supply there would be no difference).
CDP-9 is a bit more forward than Omnia. This is what we are expecting. A high end CD transport should perform nearly identical to a high end media server for the same CD music.
This is the last confirmation we need before releasing Omnia S1 for production. We changed the priority where S1 without internal DAC board will be released first to satisfy existing customers who already have integrated amp or DAC. Omnia S2 will include an internal DAC and headphone amp just like the version shown at the Paris Audio Show.
The production ship date should be around mid to end of March. Omnia S2 might be released in April.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189204)
Wauu...nice.
Im Looking some good transport for my DAC 9. And Omnia S1 will be a good match :D
Regards,
Simon
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Any news about S1?
Some more info?
Will it have any special dedicated S1 management application? For IOS?
regards,
Simon
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:popcorn:
:wave:
:bounce:
:eyebrows:
Hoping for a mid-March availability. :thumb:
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Any news about S1?
Some more info?
Will it have any special dedicated S1 management application? For IOS?
regards,
Simon
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We are trying to confirm production ship date.
Omnia S1 managment is on the device, so you would been to attach a small display, but I think there is display mirroring app for iOS and Android, haven't had the time to try it.
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We are trying to confirm production ship date.
Omnia S1 managment is on the device, so you would been to attach a small display, but I think there is display mirroring app for iOS and Android, haven't had the time to try it.
Thanks
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I noticed there is a display port on the back. What are the capabilities of this. Is it possible to have the omnia work with plex for video.
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Was ready to pull the trigger on CDT-8 Pro, now I read of the Omnia. :scratch:
Rusty, do you have more technical information on the piece for a dummy like me? Like memory chip, RAM capacity, memory capacity and type, description of it's power supply, can it be controlled from an iPhone or MacBook, and what music operating system it's using.
Roon is nice but not needed or worth the price. Had a SqueezeBox long ago and it was very glitchy, so not interested in LMS.
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Actually we changed our plan, the first product to be released is without integrated preamp/DAC and headphone amp.
Omnia S1 is just a very good media server and streamer. The integrated DAC version will be called S2.
We have been struggling with software that is causing the delay :duh:
We plan to start production, pending this last check of allowing user to reinstall the entire package (similar to what you do with your smart phone - reset to factory default).
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I own the DAC 9 and sta 9 and I love them both for the value.
I am looking at. A bluesound node2i vs omnia 1 for using with tidal and my own music library.
With the omnia 1 would I be streaming from tidal on my phone or is the app built in like bluesound and I am simply controlling tidal via app but music is being sent from omnia out to my DAC?
If I play MQA files I would get up to 24/ 96 as the dac9 is not MQA?
Any sonic advantages with omnia 1 feeding dac9 vs node 2i
Price ? 800-900 US.
Thanks in advance,
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With the omnia 1 would I be streaming from tidal on my phone or is the app built in like bluesound and I am simply controlling tidal via app but music is being sent from omnia out to my DAC?
You run the Tidal app on Omnia S1, and it output to coaxial, optical or i2S.
If I play MQA files I would get up to 24/ 96 as the dac9 is not MQA?
I keep telling people that DACs has nothing to do with MOQ. We implemented MQA decoding in Evo DAC and then realised that the decoding is done (surprise suprise!) in the firmware of the XMOS USB chip !!! You can do the same decoding on the PC. Why bother to pay so much just to decode on the USB chip ? Just play your MOQ files from Tidal or whaterver, have the decoding done on the PC. There is no need to spend extra on hardware for MQA decoding.
Any sonic advantages with omnia 1 feeding dac9 vs node 2i
No idea, we don't use competitor's product.
Price ? 800-900 US.
Probably around $795, I will like to go as low as possible. We haven't gotten the full production cost.
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So there is no USB audio output on the Omnia?
How does that affect the MQA decoding? I believe that the whole point of MQA is that part of it would be done on the front end, and the rest on the back end. It's basically like an HDMI handshake if you want to get full MQA. I have been truly hoping for Omnia to be a one stop solution. Rusty, you mentioned running the Tidal app on Omnia for the first unfold at least......I am not quite understanding how that would work if there is no USB output to the XMOS chip in the Evo DAC for final conversion?
The other issue is that I2S on the Omnia is great, but if I get the CDT 8 Pro, then I have a decision to make with regards to which one goes into my Evo DAC....not really an issue if the Omnia would have a USB audio output. That would solve both issues I have.....I would much rather spend money on NuPrime than some other company to get what is needed.
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Would S1 I2S output be same as CDT-8 Pro (and compatible with my PSAudi DirectStream Junior?
How about just releasing the owner's manual and FAQ now to save many of these questions?
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So there is no USB audio output on the Omnia?
How does that affect the MQA decoding? I believe that the whole point of MQA is that part of it would be done on the front end, and the rest on the back end. It's basically like an HDMI handshake if you want to get full MQA. I have been truly hoping for Omnia to be a one stop solution. Rusty, you mentioned running the Tidal app on Omnia for the first unfold at least......I am not quite understanding how that would work if there is no USB output to the XMOS chip in the Evo DAC for final conversion?
The other issue is that I2S on the Omnia is great, but if I get the CDT 8 Pro, then I have a decision to make with regards to which one goes into my Evo DAC....not really an issue if the Omnia would have a USB audio output. That would solve both issues I have.....I would much rather spend money on NuPrime than some other company to get what is needed.
I am playing Tidal via the app from a computer to a dac that does not "support" mqa. I have the pc set to decode in the tidal app and my dac shows it is recieving a 24 96 signal.
My other setup has a nvidia shield connected via hdmi and my reciever also shows its recieving a 24 96 signal. With the Tidal android app too.
When I play a none masters song the bitrate drops and both my reciever and dac report that also.
Is there an increased bitrate (beyond 24 96) when you use a system that is mqa certified via the Tidal app?
Is "folding" a fancy way to say compress :)
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You run the Tidal app on Omnia S1, and it output to coaxial, optical or i2S.
Is there a list of specs for the S1? And the S2? I am still confused. I also remain concerned about the final output, because on most Android systems the audio gets resampled to 48 kHz. Is that problem completely bypassed in the Omnia?
Is there an increased bitrate (beyond 24 96) when you use a system that is mqa certified via the Tidal app?
Is "folding" a fancy way to say compress :)
A full decoding MQA DAC will do one more unfold in its firmware, to 24/192, if that resolution is available in the file. Whether that's decompressing, upsampling, or something else is hotly contested in some corners of the internet.
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I am playing Tidal via the app from a computer to a dac that does not "support" mqa. I have the pc set to decode in the tidal app and my dac shows it is recieving a 24 96 signal.
My other setup has a nvidia shield connected via hdmi and my reciever also shows its recieving a 24 96 signal. With the Tidal android app too.
When I play a none masters song the bitrate drops and both my reciever and dac report that also.
Is there an increased bitrate (beyond 24 96) when you use a system that is mqa certified via the Tidal app?
Is "folding" a fancy way to say compress :)
My computer isn't capable of running the Tidal desktop app. I have Daphile installed, which is a linux-based OS stripped of everything but what is necessary for audio playback. I purpose built a small PC for the job. Sounds excellent to me.
But having said that, I don't know of a way I will get anything but 44.1. I have added Tidal through mysqueezebox as Daphile utilizes LMS. This is where the limitation is - I believe?
I really don't want to go back to a Windows PC if I can avoid it. There are so many kludgy workarounds required just to get it to sound acceptable, and some of those better workarounds are not free. Plus the only Windows PC I own is a PC Stick. :lol: I don't want to buy and install Windows just to get the desktop version of Tidal.
I am just trying to figure out if there is any way to be able to get Tidal Masters from Daphile without making it a Roon endpoint....
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My computer isn't capable of running the Tidal desktop app. I have Daphile installed, which is a linux-based OS stripped of everything but what is necessary for audio playback. I purpose built a small PC for the job. Sounds excellent to me.
But having said that, I don't know of a way I will get anything but 44.1. I have added Tidal through mysqueezebox as Daphile utilizes LMS. This is where the limitation is - I believe?
I really don't want to go back to a Windows PC if I can avoid it. There are so many kludgy workarounds required just to get it to sound acceptable, and some of those better workarounds are not free. Plus the only Windows PC I own is a PC Stick. :lol: I don't want to buy and install Windows just to get the desktop version of Tidal.
I am just trying to figure out if there is any way to be able to get Tidal Masters from Daphile without making it a Roon endpoint....
The Tidal plugin for LMS/Squeezebox does not support MQA, and is not likely to as that would require licensing fees and certification. Roon would be an option. On the other hand there is also a Qobuz plugin for LMS, and depending on your preferred genres the 2 million Hi-Res tracks there may outweigh the less than 2 hundred thousand MQA tracks on Tidal anyway.
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The Tidal plugin for LMS/Squeezebox does not support MQA, and is not likely to as that would require licensing fees and certification. Roon would be an option.
Thank you for confirming my suspicions - that's what I feared. As far as Roon goes, I am not a fan of paying a monthly/annual subscription fee for essentially a meta-data provider. Having said that, it would at least allow me to keep using my PC for the time being.
On the other hand there is also a Qobuz plugin for LMS, and depending on your preferred genres the 2 million Hi-Res tracks there may outweigh the less than 2 hundred thousand MQA tracks on Tidal anyway.
I have been waiting for this for quite awhile. Unfortunately, Canada appears to be still quite a ways away from getting Qubuz.
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Is there a list of specs for the S1? And the S2? I am still confused. I also remain concerned about the final output, because on most Android systems the audio gets resampled to 48 kHz. Is that problem completely bypassed in the Omnia?
A full decoding MQA DAC will do one more unfold in its firmware, to 24/192, if that resolution is available in the file. Whether that's decompressing, upsampling, or something else is hotly contested in some corners of the internet.
I just read basically the computer does the first unfold which would be limited to 24 96 and mqa enabled dac would do the second which could take it as high as 24 192.
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I just read basically the computer does the first unfold which would be limited to 24 96 and mqa enabled dac would do the second which could take it as high as 24 192.
Yes that's one way the Tidal app would work on a Windows PC or Mac, but this is an Android-based product. I've asked above for confirmation from NuPrime that the well-known problem of unwanted resampling by the Android OS is bypassed.
As far as I know the Tidal app only bypasses the problem on specific phones like the LG V30, and even then only with MQA tracks for internal playback. On all other devices, even when the Tidal app does appear to be decoding MQA, in the end the OS resamples everything to 48 kHz. And on all devices including the LG line, CD-quality tracks are resampled as well, as is everything on all devices output via USB.
Currently the only product I know of that can bypass this problem in all cases is the third-party UAPP app. On my phone I use UAPP for both Tidal, Qobuz, DLNA, and local files.
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Omnia S1 can be configured as Android or Linux (initially it is Android). Sorry we are still trying to get into production.
After we get through this hurdle, we will look into streaming App optimizing and compatibility issues.
If Linux offers an advantage, we can provide a bootstrap package to reconfigure the device.
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Omnia S1 can be configured as Android or Linux (initially it is Android). Sorry we are still trying to get into production.
After we get through this hurdle, we will look into streaming App optimizing and compatibility issues.
If Linux offers an advantage, we can provide a bootstrap package to reconfigure the device.
Thanks for clarifying. There is no official Tidal app for Linux, nor as far as I know any distributed third-party Linux app compatible with Tidal MQA streams, so you'd have to develop your own proprietary OS/app combo as others have done. On Android unless your devs figure out a way to bypass Android resampling you cannot rely on the official Tidal app, so would then have to license UAPP or advise every user to purchase it if they want MQA. Personally I can live without MQA.
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I have not understood if the Omnia S1 is also a preamplifier, in order to be connected directly to a STA9 or STA10.
It would make sense, due to the technology of the Nuprime integrated amplifiers.
This will be called Omnia S2.
Any plan to release a similar model without integrated DAC? It coul be well seen as a pure digital transport solution.
Does it support Internet Radios and has some technicality in order to optimize their sound?
Yes, it is called Omnia S1
We changed our plan and swapped the release order and model names.
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Yes that's one way the Tidal app would work on a Windows PC or Mac, but this is an Android-based product. I've asked above for confirmation from NuPrime that the well-known problem of unwanted resampling by the Android OS is bypassed.
As far as I know the Tidal app only bypasses the problem on specific phones like the LG V30, and even then only with MQA tracks for internal playback. On all other devices, even when the Tidal app does appear to be decoding MQA, in the end the OS resamples everything to 48 kHz. And on all devices including the LG line, CD-quality tracks are resampled as well, as is everything on all devices output via USB.
Currently the only product I know of that can bypass this problem in all cases is the third-party UAPP app. On my phone I use UAPP for both Tidal, Qobuz, DLNA, and local files.
I have the andriod Tidal app running on a nvidia shield and my reciever (txrz-1100) sees up to 24 96 via hdmi, this varries between songs
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I have the andriod Tidal app running on a nvidia shield and my receiver (txrz-1100) sees up to 24 96 via hdmi, this varries between songs
Interesting! Thanks. I hope the Omnia can do something like that.
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Jason,
Knock. Knock.
How's that Omnia S1 production coming along? :thumb:
Michael
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Full production shipping mid May. Production unit will be demo at high end show in Munich.
I will try to confirm the price and final spec by end of the week.
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hi jason
will be two omnia in commerce? ... S1 and S2?
it's correct ?
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will the Wr100D no longer be produced?
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I need one in London - when will it be available?
Also, how’s Omnia S1 different from the raspberry pi3 chassis setup ? Just that it’s all pure assembled and pre loaded and not DIY?
Also would a Syology NAS with WR100 be a similar setup ?
Sorry for all the Qs - but looking for an elegant transport (media server and intuitive player) for my Ida-16 plus tannoy xt6f.
Cheers
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Innuous zen mini-with great software, too.
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Many music server uses standard computing board (Raspberry Pi and Linux) with customised software and I/O board (for multiple digital outputs). The Omnia S1 is optimised (in hardware) for server and renderer streaming of your music files. It has a customised ARM processor board with proprietary firmware and buffer.
Streaming service providers are leaning toward stopping support of device API (Spotify has stopped the support) to force customers to use their App. Omnia S1 is Android OS and all the popular streaming services App can run as-is, without the need for API integration or approval.
If you have your own music library, you can attach the hard drive to Omnia S1 and it will scan the drive when it is booted up the first time (there is an Admin web interface for re-scanning of the drive if you update the music). You can also stream from other DLNA client (smartphone with local music files) to Omnia S1. Use any of your favorite music player clients (Bubble uPnP for example) to remotely access Omnia S1 music library.
If you want to run your streaming service (Tidal, Spotify, Qobuz etc) on Omnia S1, you would need to attach a display (a small LCD display typically cost $99) with mouse and keyboard to access the App to run it. If the streaming service App running on smartphone support re-streaming to DLNA receiver, then you can stream to Omnia S1 without the need to start the App on it.
If you don't care about running streaming App on Omnia S1, and optimizing performance is not the top priority, you can get the Raspbery Pi, Synology or other NAS as a cheaper media server. We actually have a Raspberry Pi media server with linear power supply and power filter, built-in uDSD DAC and headphone amp available for a ROCK BOTTOM price of $250 !!!
Clearance sale at: https://nuoem.com/store/sales-promotion/nuprime-pi-9/
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hello Jason, the Android App is the usual one?
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=193406)
or do you make another one?
from the app the tidal-qobuz choice is missing .....
....I find the D-streamer app very well made
which I use on the wr100-D
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Full production shipping mid May. Production unit will be demo at high end show in Munich.
I will try to confirm the price and final spec by end of the week.
It's mid may, can you confirm the final spec?
Is it possible to connect a external linear power supply? Seems to me, for the price, it come with a switching power supply.
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We just completed the last portion of software debug. I am sure people have been wondering why it took so long, seemingly never ending delay. The main reason is that Omnia S1 is not just a single product, it is part of our streaming system where we have to consider:
1. What happen if customer messed with the custom Android OS (despite of our warning :)) and caused the server to crash?
A PC would be needed to reinstall the Omnia S1 firmware
2. How do we update various Apps (including new streaming apps) that are on Omnia S1?
The admin page has a button to do that.
3. How does user recan hard drive music, reset music database, reboot server, change server and renderer name ?
All done from a single admin page.
How do we upgrade the Omnia S1 ?
Future update might include fast CPU, newer OS version and improvement in custom audio device driver.
We will provide special upgrade price for existing customer to replace the OS board.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=195222)
Earlier in the year we have been testing and fixing bugs in the hardware, server and renderer. And then finally we moved on to implementing and testing administrative functions. I am relieved to have completed the administrative features testing last week.
The shipping date should be mid July. We have authorised the production.
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Hello,
any news?
regards,
Simon
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Shipping in 2 weeks. Final assembly now.
Here's the final manual https://www.dropbox.com/s/abz545lu9wiboqk/Omnia%20S1%20Manual.docx?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/abz545lu9wiboqk/Omnia%20S1%20Manual.docx?dl=0)
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So, no USB audio out? :?
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It is a customized Android hardware and firmware, and the focus is on the I2S output and server/renderer performance.
And the ability to run streaming Apps on the device without using a phone.
We could release a Linux version with USB audio output but that's a low priority. There are too many media servers out there with USB audio output.
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Is native DSD possible aside from I2S output? My DAC is the NuPrime DAC-10H, which has no I2S.
If I'm running HQPlayer from a desktop pc, what are my options?
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It is a customized Android hardware and firmware, and the focus is on the I2S output and server/renderer performance.
And the ability to run streaming Apps on the device without using a phone.
We could release a Linux version with USB audio output but that's a low priority. There are too many media servers out there with USB audio output.
this is true, but in my case...I have Nuprime DAC 9...
It will be nice to have usb out for best sq
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What is the internal DAC? The manual does not include this information. ESS? AKM? Cirrus? Something else?
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What is the internal DAC? The manual does not include this information. ESS? AKM? Cirrus? Something else?
This was covered in an earlier post (I believe). The S1 does not include a DAC. The not yet available S2 will include a DAC.
Michael
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This was covered in an earlier post (I believe). The S1 does not include a DAC. The not yet available S2 will include a DAC.
Michael
Ah, I see, only digital outputs. I was seeing what I want to see rather than what's actually there. Sorry.
Oh well. Then as a streamer that requires an external DAC, this product without USB out makes no sense to me.
Having said that, I wish you good luck, NuPrime.
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Omnia S1 is a niche product, targeting users who want to have a music server & renderer but also run streaming apps on it.
Streaming services have been abandoning hardware device side API and want to take control of the user experience.
By having a customised Android hardware, we can run the streaming apps on it.
We have done side by side comparison of Omnia S1 streaming the same music file as CDT-8 and it sounded just as good.
The core Android board is designed to be replaceable so that customer can upgrade as we bring out better performance on hardware and firmware. If we bring out Omnia S2 (the one with internal DAC), it will take more time and doesn't serve existing customers. When Omnia S2 comes out, existing S1 customers can upgrade the little board with better performance and keep their existing DAC-9. New customers would buy Omnia S2 with stereo amp.
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Streaming services have been abandoning hardware device side API and want to take control of the user experience.
By having a customised Android hardware, we can run the streaming apps on it.
Really ? all streaming App use streaming API to connect services. No API, No Party !! :)
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Read this: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/2/6/16979102/spotify-ends-support-speakers-receivers-pioneer-denon (https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/2/6/16979102/spotify-ends-support-speakers-receivers-pioneer-denon)
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Since there is no USB out and the Evo DAC ONLY FULLY decodes mqa via USB. That's one feature he that would of peaked my interest.
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Hi all,
I'm still very confused with all these streamers and rendered. After reading the Omnia's manual, I'm still not sure how it's going to work for me. Hope I'm not crashing this thread or writing out of context here. I'm currently using a laptop with winmediacenter, connected to dac 10 using USB. I'm looking for a component that will allow me to store my music and play it using a remote control or from a phone or a tablet without having the laptop connected. Is the Omnia the one?? If not does Nuprime has a component that does that?
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Hi all,
I'm still very confused with all these streamers and rendered. After reading the Omnia's manual, I'm still not sure how it's going to work for me. Hope I'm not crashing this thread or writing out of context here. I'm currently using a laptop with winmediacenter, connected to dac 10 using USB. I'm looking for a component that will allow me to store my music and play it using a remote control or from a phone or a tablet without having the laptop connected. Is the Omnia the one?? If not does Nuprime has a component that does that?
Your question is very welcome and will help us to create a whole FAQ section on wireless audio.
The answer to your question is "it depends on your performance requirement". Let me explain here.
Lets go through some basic terminology (I am writing the FAQ as I compose this reply):
Media Server - It reads locally connected hard drive or network storage device for the music library and can send the decodced music format in PCM or DSD via physical USB, optical, coaxial or ethernet cable, or WiFi to the receiving end. All the so called media servers on the market are either Windows, Linux (Synology is also a customized version of Linux) or Android. They are all "computer". The media server is generally a DLNA server where DLNA is an industry standard. Apple has its own iTune server format. There are some variations in the DLNA formats (such as album, artist, etc) but we don't need to go into these here.
Streamer - this is technically a DLNA renderer but generally called a receiver.
So now you can put together the basic system: A controller (App on phone or tablet, or software running on computer) can locally or remotely control (ie. communciate) the server and streamer. It can browse the server for music and then ask the server to send the decoded music to the receiver. But there are more ways that music can flow from one place to another. Streaming services have their own Apps (Spotify, Tidal, Qobuz, etc) that run on PC or mobile devices to send music from the cloud to your receiver. Obviously your mobile devices (they are all "computer") can also send local music from phone to receiver.
Just think of all the physical devices as "computer". Think of media server as a piece of software that retrieve local or network music. Think of streamer as the software that receives music. And think of Controller or Player as the software that "talk" to all these devices, including the stream services that reside in the cloud. Now we strip away all the jargon and confusing terminologies.
One last thing before I answer your question: Since media server and streamer are software, so they can BOTH co-exist on the same physical device. This is a very important concept. That's why some "streamer" can serve and receive msuic. And in some cases a single software (such as the Windows or JRiver Media Center) is both a server and receiver.
Ok, now we can discuss your setup. If you have a large library of DSD music, then using a PC (Windows or Mac) to connect via USB cable to DAC offers the best performance.
If not, then you can use a media server (hey, remember that it is still a computer in disguise, but with customised hardware such as better power supply etc). You can use Omnia S1, Raspberry Pi, Synology, or all sorts of so called media server to serve up your music libary (resides on a hard disk that is connected to the server device). Or you can still keep on using your PC or Mac.
Why use Omnia S1 ?
1) The main difference between Omnia S1 and all other media server is that it can run standard streaming services App like Spotify, Tidal, Qobuz etc on it. Oh, youtube too. You can not do that with Raspbery Pi or Synology and other media servers. Well, WIndows or Mac PC can do that too. This is important because the hardware no longer depends on the "mercy" of the streaming services. It is well known that Spotify has stoppped supporting those AV receivers that have built in service. The streaming services (Apple, Amazon, Spotify, Tidal, Quobuz etc) all want to control the user interface.
What if you say I don't care about running App on Omnia S1, I just want a device that can serve up my music? Then read #2 below.
2) Omnia S1 has a custom hardware that optimises the decoding, buffering and streaming of music. And it has the NuPrime styling and matches the 9 series. If you don't care about this, then you either go back to PC or buy Synology or other media servers.
Disclosure: Omnia S1 gives better performance when serving local music than straming App, and this is not due to the music format. Given the same format (CD quality for example), local or network music goes through Omnia renderer and custom audio firmware. The streaming App gets the music from the cloud and go through standard Anroid audio firmware so it won't sound as good. Illustration:
a) Spotify music from cloud --> Spofity app on Omnia S1 --> standard Android audio firmware --> output to DAC
b) Local or network music --> Omnia Renderer on Omnia S1 --> custom Android audio firmware --> output to DAC
We are working on replacing the entire Android audio firmware but that's a lot of work. Then a) and b) will have the same performance given the same music format.
Some of you technical savy guys might ask how can wireless be the same as local network ? Because Omnia S1 has large local buffer on the motherboard.
Final setup:
Omnia S1 connected to a small LCD display, with wireless keyboard and mouse. You need the display whenever you want to run the straming apps or administer the device. This allows Omnia S1 to function without a tablet or phone. You can run the streaming app and play music all day long without looking for your phone to control it. This is convenient if you have a household with several people sharing the music system.
Omnia S1 is connected by coaxial cable to DAC-10 for PCM 24bit/384kHz or DSD64 music. Omnia S1 i2S can send up to DSD1024 but you need a high end DAC such as Evo DAC with I2S input to decode (even Evo can only do DSD512).
You can use any DLNA compatible controller/Player (such as Bubble uPnP) to control Omnia S1 from tablet or phone. Nuprime app will come later, around October.
Note that you can't use Spotify/Tidal etc app on your phone to send streaming music from phone to Omnia S1. You need to run the streaming app on Omnia S1 instead. This is not the purpose of Omnia S1. NuPrime Omnia WR ($329 MSRP) is a streamer/receiver scheduling for October release that allows you to stream Spotify etc from phone to Omnia WR (it also comes with Bluetooth 5.0 for convenient)
Since Omnia S1 is a device with server and streamer software on it, you can stream from Omnia S1 to Omnia S1, each having different music library.
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Jason, this is great!
Might consider making it a sticky. :thumb:
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We will rewrite in more details with illustrations.
On the website there is an article about wireless technology but it is not written as plain as this post:
https://nuprimeaudio.com/guides/wireless-audio-technology-guide/ (https://nuprimeaudio.com/guides/wireless-audio-technology-guide/)
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Thanks Jason, this certainly helps a retiree understand all the jargon a lot better. I think I'll have to wait for your software ready units as I'm not going into downloading and tweaking the apps to make things work. Bluesound has some good hardware with a simple loaded software which allows a external storage, which is what I'm looking for. Let's see how your hardware with the apps/software loaded turns out. Thanks again.
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So Omnia S1 with coaksial out to DAC 9 will be good match?
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Thanks Jason, this certainly helps a retiree understand all the jargon a lot better. I think I'll have to wait for your software ready units as I'm not going into downloading and tweaking the apps to make things work. Bluesound has some good hardware with a simple loaded software which allows a external storage, which is what I'm looking for. Let's see how your hardware with the apps/software loaded turns out. Thanks again.
What do you mean by waiting for software ready units? Omnia S1 works from "day one" with any DLNA compatible software and hardware.
The server and receiver software run in the background upon power up.
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Ahhh, my bad. Not digesting everything properly. Thanks for the clarification.
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The I2s interface is compatibile with al the dac? With audio gd? Is a ps audio standard ?
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Hi,
I check the i2s pin config of my Denadrip Terminator DAC and looks like setting of 100 will work but also noticed that the S1 hdmi pin out #14 say dsd on which the Terminator does not have ... any foreseeable issue ?
I also read the earlier post on usb out and read the schematics on your website but since it is android based, can I not install usb audio player pro (uapp) and have audio output from one of the usb ports mentioned for keyboard, mouse etc. like the usual usb otg output to bypass the android driver when not on omnia S1 audio driver ?
Thanks !
Richard
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I2S on HDMI is not an industry standard. All the pins specification must match exactly for NuPrime devices to work with another brand.
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I also read the earlier post on usb out and read the schematics on your website but since it is android based, can I not install usb audio player pro (uapp) and have audio output from one of the usb ports mentioned for keyboard, mouse etc. like the usual usb otg output to bypass the android driver when not on omnia S1 audio driver ?
This is not an officially approved configuration. Omnia S1 has a customised Android OS and device driver.
Until we can test and approve it, please do not assume that it will work.
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By the way, we are also considering offering a Linux OS version for users who just want a high performance media server without the complexity of the Android App and OS>
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I2S on HDMI is not an industry standard. All the pins specification must match exactly for NuPrime devices to work with another brand.
Hi Rusty,
Understand non standard i2s ...
As mentioned, denafrips Terminator is configurable and setting 100 matches all pin #s except Nuprime has additional pin #14 "On DSD" which Terminator's pin #14 is grounded.
I took the plunge and it will be delivered tmrw for me to find out but any advice will be much appreciated.
I only bought the Nuprime Omnis S1 for its reported excellent sound quality for its "full" i2s output and dsd
... having others via android driver is practically useless for me especially if I cannot even install uapp to bypass android driver and have usb audio from default android platform.
Btw, I checked and cannot find more popular brands with #14 pin "On dsd" e.g. PS audio, Sonore etc.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=207675)
Cheers.
Richard
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Nuprime omnia s1 vs Denafrips Termiantor I2S pin config
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=207672)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=207673)
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We use Pin14 to tell our DAC whether the I2S data is DSD or PCM. Ask your DAC vendor how they can determine between PCM and DSD. If they auto detect, then it will work for you.
We are considering offering a Linux firmware update for people who don't care about running App and just want a stable media server.
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Hi Rusty,
Thanks for helping to understand more ! Here are ood news:
- Received the unit on Friday from your very nice and capable distro in Singpore, Edgefi, who helped daily via whatsapp, call and emails on some network/streaming related issues
- DSD working with Denafrip Terminator via i2s that indeed autodetect dsd and does not require pin#14 "On DSD" ... I had actually missed that Omnia S1 actually also has pin #10 and 12 which are MCK+/- Masterclock data lines which Denafrips simply did not publish
- Most importantly, Sound Quality is indeed obviously better than allo usb bridge signature regardless dsd or flac music ... albiet at almost 3x more but moode OS has very nice internet radio especially at those full flac stations
However, it SEEMS that:
- omnia server via rear usb3.0 port does not work with my 2tb ntfs hdd .. fat32 works which created 2 days of trials and will try exfat but what is the max hdd size ?
- hdmi i2s is wrong from either omnia s1 or Terminator .. using test disc and polarity checker, pin#4, 6 for phase and # 7 and 9 for left/right channels should be all reversed when I tested against coaxial input with 2 different factory terminated coaxial digital which does not have this i2s pin out complication .. what is data +/- pin 1 and 3 about as I cannot heard any difference but chose also to reverse it and hence config of 100 on Terminator is set at 011 instead
Thanks again and it is nice to have upgraded sound quality in my system ... clear/transparent, detailed/extended and fast/dynamic without going into more meaningless audio jargons for those usbridge signature owners wanting to upgrade and lurking here
Cheers.
Richard
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Hi Jason,
Nuprime Omnia S1 needs better user manual .. could have save 1 day of somebody's life and did not realised I can put storage device into it .. lol !
I also recommend progress status and prompt on completion when restarting dlna service, regenerating database etc. in the web admin page since none I can see except click on done which I will not know.
Btw, playing dsd64 music via coaxial is fine but no sound with dsd128, 256, 512 etc. .... Omnia S1 does not downsample to max spec. of dsd64 ?
Thanks again and cheers.
Richard
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=207861)
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This is not an officially approved configuration. Omnia S1 has a customised Android OS and device driver.
Until we can test and approve it, please do not assume that it will work.
Hi Jason,
I can confirm uapp does not work but I do not need it since it is fgpa decoding that I bought into for sound quality which is very very nice and I still have my usb bridge signature for full flac radio stations that I really like very much.
I can install uapp but it will just play the first track of the hdd regardless what track I select to playback.
Cheers.
Richard
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What do you mean by waiting for software ready units? Omnia S1 works from "day one" with any DLNA compatible software and hardware.
The server and receiver software run in the background upon power up.
Hi Jason,
To be more specific and hopefully help other new omnia s1 owners here, omnia server does not appear when it is powered up. It only shows up if you have a compatible fat32 or ext32 storage device is attached.
That was one key puzzle that took 2 days to discover .. I had a ntfs 2tb hdd attached and was troubleshootng why omnia server was nowhere to be found in my network or all upnp software for playback ... I had other issue of moode dlna server not supporting dsd but glad edgefi and my SAP friend into streaming music helped me to reach this stage of listening to better sound quality as compared to usb bridge signature albeit amost 3 time $ but still value for money (vfm) against usb bridge signatue that is still evfm (excellent value for money).
Cheers.
Richard
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Your question is very welcome and will help us to create a whole FAQ section on wireless audio.
The answer to your question is "it depends on your performance requirement". Let me explain here.
Lets go through some basic terminology (I am writing the FAQ as I compose this reply):
Media Server - It reads locally connected hard drive or network storage device for the music library and can send the decodced music format in PCM or DSD via physical USB, optical, coaxial or ethernet cable, or WiFi to the receiving end. All the so called media servers on the market are either Windows, Linux (Synology is also a customized version of Linux) or Android. They are all "computer". The media server is generally a DLNA server where DLNA is an industry standard. Apple has its own iTune server format. There are some variations in the DLNA formats (such as album, artist, etc) but we don't need to go into these here.
Streamer - this is technically a DLNA renderer but generally called a receiver.
So now you can put together the basic system: A controller (App on phone or tablet, or software running on computer) can locally or remotely control (ie. communciate) the server and streamer. It can browse the server for music and then ask the server to send the decoded music to the receiver. But there are more ways that music can flow from one place to another. Streaming services have their own Apps (Spotify, Tidal, Qobuz, etc) that run on PC or mobile devices to send music from the cloud to your receiver. Obviously your mobile devices (they are all "computer") can also send local music from phone to receiver.
Just think of all the physical devices as "computer". Think of media server as a piece of software that retrieve local or network music. Think of streamer as the software that receives music. And think of Controller or Player as the software that "talk" to all these devices, including the stream services that reside in the cloud. Now we strip away all the jargon and confusing terminologies.
One last thing before I answer your question: Since media server and streamer are software, so they can BOTH co-exist on the same physical device. This is a very important concept. That's why some "streamer" can serve and receive msuic. And in some cases a single software (such as the Windows or JRiver Media Center) is both a server and receiver.
Ok, now we can discuss your setup. If you have a large library of DSD music, then using a PC (Windows or Mac) to connect via USB cable to DAC offers the best performance.
If not, then you can use a media server (hey, remember that it is still a computer in disguise, but with customised hardware such as better power supply etc). You can use Omnia S1, Raspberry Pi, Synology, or all sorts of so called media server to serve up your music libary (resides on a hard disk that is connected to the server device). Or you can still keep on using your PC or Mac.
Why use Omnia S1 ?
1) The main difference between Omnia S1 and all other media server is that it can run standard streaming services App like Spotify, Tidal, Qobuz etc on it. Oh, youtube too. You can not do that with Raspbery Pi or Synology and other media servers. Well, WIndows or Mac PC can do that too. This is important because the hardware no longer depends on the "mercy" of the streaming services. It is well known that Spotify has stoppped supporting those AV receivers that have built in service. The streaming services (Apple, Amazon, Spotify, Tidal, Quobuz etc) all want to control the user interface.
What if you say I don't care about running App on Omnia S1, I just want a device that can serve up my music? Then read #2 below.
2) Omnia S1 has a custom hardware that optimises the decoding, buffering and streaming of music. And it has the NuPrime styling and matches the 9 series. If you don't care about this, then you either go back to PC or buy Synology or other media servers.
Disclosure: Omnia S1 gives better performance when serving local music than straming App, and this is not due to the music format. Given the same format (CD quality for example), local or network music goes through Omnia renderer and custom audio firmware. The streaming App gets the music from the cloud and go through standard Anroid audio firmware so it won't sound as good. Illustration:
a) Spotify music from cloud --> Spofity app on Omnia S1 --> standard Android audio firmware --> output to DAC
b) Local or network music --> Omnia Renderer on Omnia S1 --> custom Android audio firmware --> output to DAC
We are working on replacing the entire Android audio firmware but that's a lot of work. Then a) and b) will have the same performance given the same music format.
Some of you technical savy guys might ask how can wireless be the same as local network ? Because Omnia S1 has large local buffer on the motherboard.
Final setup:
Omnia S1 connected to a small LCD display, with wireless keyboard and mouse. You need the display whenever you want to run the straming apps or administer the device. This allows Omnia S1 to function without a tablet or phone. You can run the streaming app and play music all day long without looking for your phone to control it. This is convenient if you have a household with several people sharing the music system.
Omnia S1 is connected by coaxial cable to DAC-10 for PCM 24bit/384kHz or DSD64 music. Omnia S1 i2S can send up to DSD1024 but you need a high end DAC such as Evo DAC with I2S input to decode (even Evo can only do DSD512).
You can use any DLNA compatible controller/Player (such as Bubble uPnP) to control Omnia S1 from tablet or phone. Nuprime app will come later, around October.
Note that you can't use Spotify/Tidal etc app on your phone to send streaming music from phone to Omnia S1. You need to run the streaming app on Omnia S1 instead. This is not the purpose of Omnia S1. NuPrime Omnia WR ($329 MSRP) is a streamer/receiver scheduling for October release that allows you to stream Spotify etc from phone to Omnia WR (it also comes with Bluetooth 5.0 for convenient)
Since Omnia S1 is a device with server and streamer software on it, you can stream from Omnia S1 to Omnia S1, each having different music library.
Hi Jason,
This is nice read for layman like me but I learned a bit from SAP friend with also last 6 months with allo's sub bridge signature at home and digione signature in car to my helix dsp pro processor.
Why not leave the software to moode, volumino etc. and have your nice hardware technologies with fpga decoding to work with them instead .. which is exactly what allo is doing and these software companies
/developers are even getting allo's hardwares and selling them under their brands ?
Cheers.
Richard
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Is native DSD possible aside from I2S output? My DAC is the NuPrime DAC-10H, which has no I2S.
If I'm running HQPlayer from a desktop pc, what are my options?
Hi Jason,
Glad Nuprime has this product with high quality sound quality via my preferred i2s that works with my Denafrips Terminator dac at a reasonable price :)
I was looking at Aurender and it was too crazy for their top model at >10x of omnia S1 and even cheapest 5 yrs old product aka 5 yrs old technologies is not for me.
I may have more difficulties than others as I had allo's wonderful products built by audiophiles for audiophile at low $ but the best compliment I can offer to Nuprime is that I had not regretted getting this omnia s1 since 2 days ago for its sound quality via i2s or even coaxial :)
Thank you very much.
Cheers.
Richard
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Any sonic advantages with omnia 1 feeding dac9 vs node 2i
Price ? 800-900
Hi,
Hope not too late ...
I never owned the bluesound node2i but many reviews on allo's usb bridge signature and digione signature outgunning node 2i in sonic department.
Since I own both mentioned allo's products, I can share that the omnia S1 betters allo's per my above ranting.
Cheers.
Richard
System for reference: Denafrip terminator dac, audible illusion l3a blackgate pre, sander magtech amp, Revel Salon 2 speakers with all nordost quattro fil ICs and cardas clear sc
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=207869)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=207870)
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Hi All,
Oops .. I faltered in my comments on sonic aka sound quality especially against usb bridge signature ... this is the first time time I can play back dsd vis i2s.
Previously it was i2s via Jay Audio cdt2 on vanilla 44.1hz cd while dsd playback was via usb from usb bridge signature .. with apology.
Cheers.
Richard
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Hi All,
Finally got the Synology DS218+ with dual enterprise WD/Hitachi 10TB HDD for 5TB of music and redundancy in additional to existing Cosair 512GB thumbdrive to the rear usb3.0 port of the Omnia S1 and a 128gb sdcard via usb adaptor to the allo usb bridge signature running moode OS.
Added the following findings or my limited experience which are perhaps already known to many but I am really a noob in streaming, NAS etc.
- moode dlna server is a miniserver and dsd, dff etc. hires files does not show since not supported
- cosair usb thumbdrive to omnia may not be detected even if rebooted .. I need to remove and reinsert for it to show up as omnia server and few mins only for 512gb to appear for playback
- playing same music files in cosair thumbdrive is discernibly better SQ in my system as compared to via NAS .. expected to me since addtional 2 more ethernet cat 8 cable and a consumer grade 8 ports switch
Updated photos with Synology and highly manageable bubbleupnp app page showing 2 renderers/player of omnia and allo usb bridge signature and the 3 servers/library .. glad singapore distro of Jye and my SAP expert friend helped thus far.
Cheers.
Richard
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=208195)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=208196)
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I have not understood if the Omnia S1 is also a preamplifier, in order to be connected directly to a STA9 or STA10.
It would make sense, due to the technology of the Nuprime integrated amplifiers.
It is just a media server, similar to what's on PC or NAS (Synology). Despite of the quirks with the Android app usage on S1, this product really shines when it is used as a media server. The sound quality from S1 coaxial or I2S to DAC is definitely better than PC or NAS.
Any plan to release a similar model without integrated DAC? It coul be well seen as a pure digital transport solution.
Does it support Internet Radios and has some technicality in order to optimize their sound?
It is a pure digital transport.
As explained on the product page, when the Apps are used on S1, there are two issues:
1) The media server can not run
2) The sound quality of the App on S1 is not as good as the media server, even if playing exactly the same bit rate music.
So, you should buy Omnia S1 primarily as a digital transport.
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I noticed that it is possible to improve bubbleupnp performance in this way: setting - individual renderers upnp/dnla - choosing omnia S1 - quality of resampling to be performed in very high quality.
Bubble upnp remains the only usable software, but it only works with Android. Who has an apple is in difficulty because there is no software that works properly. When will Nuprime software for S1 be released?
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I also read that the version of Android 10 provides hd audio up to 192 khz. Could a new version of Android software in a new firmare for Omnia S1, be possible with the ability to stream HD audio to the dac? It would be fantastic and at that point the Omnia S1 would be perhaps the best streamer in the world!
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Jason,
why don't you develop an app for Omnia S1?
you did it (well) with WR1 ..... Wink2
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I like the Android system better than any other app because it is basically unlimited. Bubble UPNP works perfectly in my rig and I still don't understand all the features yet.