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Title: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: drphoto on 23 Jul 2016, 11:33 pm
I guess the title says it all. I'm 58. BMI normal to low. Great health other than idiopathic hypertension (genetic most likely)

am Veg. Don't sit on my ass all day. When doing the photo thing, I'm on my feet. When I wear my pharmacy hat (like now) I walk as much as 5 miles a day at hospital.

But I have this belly. It's embarrassing. What to do?? Crunches, sit-ups? need help.

thanks.

PS: I was always a rail thin endurance athlete when young. I used to road race bikes. I dunno maybe I need to ride, but work just wears me the hell out.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: John Casler on 23 Jul 2016, 11:39 pm
How are your hormone levels from your last blood test?

More bodyfat in the abdomen can be an indicator of Metabolic Syndrome symptoms, but some is normal at your age.

Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Folsom on 24 Jul 2016, 12:02 am
I guess the title says it all. I'm 58. BMI normal to low. Great health other than idiopathic hypertension (genetic most likely)

am Veg. Don't sit on my ass all day. When doing the photo thing, I'm on my feet. When I wear my pharmacy hat (like now) I walk as much as 5 miles a day at hospital.

But I have this belly. It's embarrassing. What to do?? Crunches, sit-ups? need help.

thanks.

PS: I was always a rail thin endurance athlete when young. I used to road race bikes. I dunno maybe I need to ride, but work just wears me the hell out.

What's your blood type?

If you do sit-ups and crunchies incorrectly you'll make it worse. Most people do.

Besides targeting specific areas doesn't do anything but improve their shape, it doesn't reduce the fat.

Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: drphoto on 24 Jul 2016, 12:04 am
John, I'm not sure they ran a hormone panel at last check. They did chem7 + lipids as far as I know.

BTW: doc was amazed by how low my lipid/cholesterol was for someone my age.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: drphoto on 24 Jul 2016, 12:05 am
Not sure what blood type has to do with anything. But I think it's A+

I mean as far as what I learned when studying for pharmacy school blood types matter regarding agglutination when getting a transfusion. And that about it.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Folsom on 24 Jul 2016, 12:32 am
There are thousands of pubmed, peer reviewed, articles on the ABO.

What's your general diet?

Protein source?
Grains?
Vegetables?
Oils?
Dairy?
Fruit?

What foods make you feel good and bad? (if any)
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: John Casler on 24 Jul 2016, 12:37 am
John, I'm not sure they ran a hormone these at last check. They did chem7 + lipids as far as I know.

BTW: doc was amazed by how low my lipid/cholesterol was for someone my age.

Often called Beer Belly it is not generally caused by beer consumption.

Most often men between 45 up start to see changes in hormonal balances, like reduction in testosterone and increases in estrogen, which contribute to increases in bodyfat and reduction in muscle mass (sarcopenia)

No real differences will likely be seen from ab exercises other than toning of the abdominal muscles.  The problem is fat accumulation/deposits in the abdomen. 

Have a blood test to check Test and Estrogen levels and ratios.  If your Dr is knowledgeable he will know what to do, if he is not, and your test is low, find someone who understands hormonal balances, or have him refer you to a Urologist or Endocrinologist.

If your reading is 250-300 and he says that is "normal" then you need to consider the above.

Also realize that this is "highly" individual and it is something you need a competent medical professional to guide you.  Not me or anyone on the internet can give you anything except general ideas.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: WGH on 24 Jul 2016, 12:40 am
How about a photo belly boy?

What worked for me was 30 minutes hard cardio (think intervals) twice a week on the StairMaster followed by an hour workout with a trainer. Saturday is a boot camp style workout with a small group.

You can't just work on the belly, you will have to strengthen your back muscles as you tighten up your stomach so after you finish up with belly stuff do exercises for the back like big ball pike-ups, start with 10 and work up to 30.

For the belly you can do (but not all at once):

Straight leg sit ups - After 6 years I do 20 reps holding 45 lbs. close to my chest.
Jack knife situp - 12 forward, 12 knees to the left, 12 knees to the right, another 12 forward, without stopping - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWOZyf8kaH0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWOZyf8kaH0)
Roll outs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwqJTPsI6i0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwqJTPsI6i0)
Hand offs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD7yRA8tAI8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD7yRA8tAI8)
Hanging Hip Checks - http://redefiningstrength.com/10-hanging-core-exercises/ (http://redefiningstrength.com/10-hanging-core-exercises/)
T-Stabilization Pushups - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCDO9-wa1Dc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCDO9-wa1Dc)

But the only thing that really trimmed the belly was to cut back on beer and alcohol.

Don't over do it, twice a week to start is plenty. At your age it will take at least a year before you even begin to notice any changes. And you should really, really work on your whole body with a trainer who is experienced working with older people.

Tucson is a big bike riding town, during the fall, winter and spring people from all over the world gather here to ride - and you can always tell who the riders are because they mostly thin, have great legs and an protruding, bigger than it should be belly, must be from all the beer they drink after a ride.

And I'm guessing the guys talking about food don't exercise (prove me wrong) except for Casler, so trust his advise.

Wayne
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: drphoto on 24 Jul 2016, 12:47 am
thanks for the tips.

Yeah....I think you got me. It's the beer......beer belly. I suppose. I dunno, I lead such a high stress life it's my one way to relax. I mean  normally I'm freelancing as a commercial photographer where there are tight deadlines and high expectations. but right now I am taking a break from that that to help out some old friends in the local trauma center doing clinical pharmacy. And clocking 60 hrs a week. (yeah...it's a long story) And it's just flat out crazy all day.

Maybe I need yoga or some shit.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: WGH on 24 Jul 2016, 12:53 am

Maybe I need yoga or some shit.

That'll work

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/07/15/27524C5E00000578-3028889-image-a-1_1428415716521.jpg)
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Folsom on 24 Jul 2016, 01:08 am
thanks for the tips.

Yeah....I think you got me. It's the beer......beer belly. I suppose. I dunno, I lead such a high stress life it's my one way to relax. I mean  normally I'm freelancing as a commercial photographer where there are tight deadlines and high expectations. but right now I am taking a break from that that to help out some old friends in the local trauma center doing clinical pharmacy. And clocking 60 hrs a week. (yeah...it's a long story) And it's just flat out crazy all day.

Maybe I need yoga or some shit.

Stress, that's probably causing it more than anything. Yoga or Tia Chi would benefit you greatly. At the least try alternate nostril breathing.

Yoga and Tia Chi are proven to lower stress hormones. Maybe switch to red wine, as well? This will help you manage stress. (http://www.professionalsupplementcenter.com/Cortiguard-by-DAdamo-Personalized-Nutrition.htm?referrer=googleshopping&gclid=CLG76uz0is4CFUZhfgodjo0D0Q)

If you believe estrogen is creeping in, try eliminating non-saturated oils. Look at all premade products and you'll notice how many there are... Coconut is ok, as well as ghee, and small amounts of olive oil. You don't want to consume loads of fats obviously. Saturated fats can increase blood thickness, which stress tends to do. So you might want to try some blood thinning foods, lemon juice in water and blackberries.

*uncooked olive oil, 1 tsp for taste if reasonable per day. Kirkland brand (no joke) is true extra virgin, most brands are not, and only EVO should be used.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: drphoto on 24 Jul 2016, 01:08 am
 :o
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: drphoto on 24 Jul 2016, 01:14 am
I like the suggestion of red wine.  :D This hospital gig is tough, but does have rewards. A nurse I knew from last time I worked there came up and thanked me. Said I saved her bacon at least twice. That makes it all worth the daily crap. Healthcare is a calling, not a job. But it does take it's toll. Stress, long hours, crap food, and yeah...booze it up too much when off.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: John Casler on 24 Jul 2016, 01:15 am
Oh and as unlikely as it may seem, if you don't sleep well, or enough, or suffer from sleep apnea,  :sleep:

You may consider a sleep test, since that can be at the root of many types of hormonal problems, and Metabolic Syndrome.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Folsom on 24 Jul 2016, 01:27 am
Stress will make you fatter than cake. It's well known, and even known people with high stress develop diabetes and such too on a long path of mounting health issues.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: drphoto on 24 Jul 2016, 01:35 am
hmmm.  i do get sleep apnea on occasion. Which makes no sense since I am not obese, which is the risk factor. Yeah. I have this protruding belly thing, but again, my total BMI is normal, because otherwise I'm rail thin.
 
And I aint posting any damn pictures of this shit. It's depressing enough to look in the mirror, which I now try to avoid.

As to Folsom. remember I'm a vegetarian. Not strict, in the sense I do dairy and fish. Mostly salmon on fish and try to spec wild caught or tuna. Maybe sardines if I wanna eat lower on the food chain.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: OzarkTom on 24 Jul 2016, 01:45 am
One of the best websites to follow weight problems is dietdoctor.com.

Here is a guy that lost over 300 pounds.

http://www.dietdoctor.com/302-pounds-lchf-diet

LCHF diet is how many are reversing heart disease and diabetes.

Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Folsom on 24 Jul 2016, 01:54 am
I think you're eating good protein choices. But I would encourage alternative grains.

Stress, it's eating you up. Try taking this (http://naturalvitality.com/natural-calm/) and maybe some GABA to help sleep (https://jet.com/product/detail/7829f3083316482e9f3f4f375a44d4fb?jcmp=pla:ggl:gen_jd_health_beauty_a3:health_care_fitness_nutrition_vitamins_supplements_a3_top:na:PLA_344689260_24923762460_pla-165063972300:na:na:na:2&code=PLA15&ds_c=gen_jd_health_beauty_a3&ds_cid=&ds_ag=health_care_fitness_nutrition_vitamins_supplements_a3_top&product_id=7829f3083316482e9f3f4f375a44d4fb&product_partition_id=165063972300&gclid=CJyd_OH-is4CFZJcfgodL-8MaA&gclsrc=aw.ds).

Your adrenals are tired. You might have easier sleep and better days by taking something that supports them. Ashwagandha is any adaptogen that will help. Don't use Yerba Mate, it'll burn you out, and obviously more than a cup or two of coffee is excessive cortisol raising.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: PDR on 24 Jul 2016, 02:28 am
I'm about the same age.
I've tried to loose the belly over the last few years as well.
I was in good shape for almost all my life, the last 6 years or so.....nope.
Hair is silver.....lucky to have some I know...
I've come to terms.....I think its just a natural ageing thing...it is in other animals.....why not us?

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/gorilla_zpst2c7vb8s.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/PDRCanada/media/gorilla_zpst2c7vb8s.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: thunderbrick on 24 Jul 2016, 02:38 am

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/gorilla_zpst2c7vb8s.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/PDRCanada/media/gorilla_zpst2c7vb8s.jpg.html)

HEY!  That's ME!!! :cuss:
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: WGH on 24 Jul 2016, 02:43 am
And I aint posting any damn pictures of this shit.

You are smarter than you look. Or, as an old girlfriend added "you'd have to be".

The only reason I started exercising 7 years ago was because I had a chronic lumbar strain that was beginning to lay me up twice a year for a couple of weeks at a time. As the lumbar muscle spasmed around the sciatic nerve the pain approached a 10.

I'm now 68, and with slow, controlled, steady exercise with a professional trainer I am 100% cured. From the start Maria would poke my belly (sweet gal) and tell me "we're going to get rid of that". Belly is gone.
Can't sleep? Work out 3 times a week and you will sleep like a baby and you will never see 10:00 pm again because you'll be asleep by 9:00 and have more energy than a 40 year old.

 
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Odal3 on 24 Jul 2016, 03:09 am
Plus one on the type of training WGH is doing and the focus on the core that Folsom recommends. High intensity interval type of training often gives the best result in the least amount of time invested. The best part is that it doesn't take so long.

Find a GOOD personal trainer to get you started. With good I mean avoid the big box gym type of trainers and find one with a smaller gym filled with kettle bells, free weights, ropes, etc. If they want you to do crunches or use standard gym machines, go somewhere else. 
One of the best is Alwyn Cosgrove's gym. He focus a lot on combining movement with fat loss strategies (most are based on high intensity training) Here's one of his books that may give some ideas. Ignore the tacky cover picture, his books are really good. Easy read with both theory, and programs to follow.  http://www.thenewrulesoflifting.com/nrol-for-life

Looks like you can get a used copy on amazon for less than $5
He got several other books as well.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Folsom on 24 Jul 2016, 03:14 am
I wouldn't recommend HIIT, for you. It may increase stress and keep the belly. I'd focus on stress. Clearly it has such a powerful effect on you, that you're gaining weight you've never had!

BTW the key trick to doing sit-ups and crunchies correctly is to suck in your gut. If you allow it to push out, it'll develop a pot belly even if you have .5% body fat. This isn't known well, and a lot of women have obsessively done them to only grow the pot belly and lose their mind!
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: rodge827 on 24 Jul 2016, 03:18 am
Wow such a timely post.

I'm 51 (52 in a month) and self employed as a paper hanger. For the last couple for months been very sluggish, tired all the time, have bad memory, and gained about 10lbs.
Went to see my Dr and got a blood test. Turns out my Thyroid and Testoterone are way low. My Doc was impressed I could get out of bed let alone work a full day. Looking for an endocrinologist that will take my insurance now.  :roll:

I found that sitting on a balance ball at my desk is an easy way to help strengthen the core.

Chris


Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: thunderbrick on 24 Jul 2016, 04:25 am
.... a lot of women have obsessively done them to only grow the pot belly and lose their mind!

So THAT'S the reason they go nuts!  :peek:
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Folsom on 24 Jul 2016, 04:30 am
Rephrase... "more of it" or "part of it"  :green:
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Guy 13 on 24 Jul 2016, 06:27 am
Hi dr,
I am half way to 69 and a few years back my doctor told me that I was diabetic type 2,
she prescribe pills (Methaformin 500mg X 3 a day)
I change my diet and went more healthy eating,
I kept doing my daily 15 minutes stretching exercises.
I've lost 18 pounds without much effort
and 6 months ago I stop completely the pills.
I am now at 6.3 on my blood sugar.
Looking several times a day at myself in the mirror,
I don't like what I see or should I say,
I don't like how my belly look like.
(No, I will not post a picture here,
I don't want to get thrown in jail
for what the communist here would call :
Pornographic material  :nono:
I have double my belly related exercises,
but it won't go away.
Now after reading all the post above,
I realize that I am extremely stressed,
normal for a foreigner living on planet Vietnam.
Everything here is stressfull...
I will work on that and keep exercising.
All comments and suggestions are welcome.
drphoto, I sure don't want to steal your topic,
but I think we are more or less in the same situation.

Guy 13
 
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: FullRangeMan on 24 Jul 2016, 11:24 am
I guess the title says it all. I'm 58. BMI normal to low. Great health other than idiopathic hypertension (genetic most likely)

am Veg. Don't sit on my ass all day. When doing the photo thing, I'm on my feet. When I wear my pharmacy hat (like now) I walk as much as 5 miles a day at hospital.

But I have this belly. It's embarrassing. What to do?? Crunches, sit-ups? need help.

thanks.

PS: I was always a rail thin endurance athlete when young. I used to road race bikes. I dunno maybe I need to ride, but work just wears me the hell out.
Veg is not a benefit in this case as beef dont made belly.
What made belly are bread, beer, sodas imo.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: roscoe65 on 24 Jul 2016, 01:28 pm
I guess the title says it all. I'm 58. BMI normal to low. Great health other than idiopathic hypertension (genetic most likely)

am Veg. Don't sit on my ass all day. When doing the photo thing, I'm on my feet. When I wear my pharmacy hat (like now) I walk as much as 5 miles a day at hospital.

But I have this belly. It's embarrassing. What to do?? Crunches, sit-ups? need help.

thanks.

PS: I was always a rail thin endurance athlete when young. I used to road race bikes. I dunno maybe I need to ride, but work just wears me the hell out.

I can think of a number of things:

1.  You're 58, normal/low BMI, "was always rail thin", vegetarian.  I could guess without looking at you that you are "skinny fat" - low muscle mass with some extra body fat.  You probably alway had low muscle mass, and with age and disuse, you now have very little.  Your BMI stays the same but muscle is diminishing and fat is increasing.  You're vegetarian, so you're likely low on protein.

2.  You carry weight around your middle, which is partly genetics and partly diet.  Alcohol, starches and sugars tend to cause body fat to preferentially deposit around the belly.

3.  General dietary advice:  You need adequate protein intake (80 - 100 grams per day).  You should avoid soy as a protein source due to the effects of phytoestrogens.  You need adequate fat to synthesize hormones - if your dietary fat is too low you cannot make adequate testosterone.  You should also ensure that you have adequate vitamin D, Vitamin C, and Zinc.

4.  General exercise advice:  You absolutely need to lift weights and build muscle.  Big, compound lifts (squat, deadlift, bench press, overhead press, barbell row, pullups) will increase testosterone and stimulate muscle growth, and you need muscle growth.  You can do core work (knee raises, l-sits, hollow holds, planks) but the most important thing is to lift heavy things.  You can also add windsprints or other HIIT (such as running stairs or hills).

I'm almost 52 and have been addressing the same issues.  I can attest that religiously lifting weights 3-6 times per week and adding some intense cardio will take years off your age.  It is also very difficult to accomplish this if you are vegan.  If you allow yourself dairy and eggs, you should have no problem getting adequate protein.  I would avoid vegetable-based protein sources (gluten, soy, beans) as they generally come with starchy components.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: werd on 24 Jul 2016, 01:54 pm
Join the Marines.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: werd on 24 Jul 2016, 02:08 pm
Or

you could cross train using Yoga. Yoga is great for core strength. It will shake up your ab fat. It did for me. Then do some cardio or concentrate on hitting those ab muscles using crunches. In not to long.. VoilĂ  Fabio
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: ctviggen on 24 Jul 2016, 04:17 pm
One of the best websites to follow weight problems is dietdoctor.com.

Here is a guy that lost over 300 pounds.

http://www.dietdoctor.com/302-pounds-lchf-diet

LCHF diet is how many are reversing heart disease and diabetes.

While I'm totally on board with you (I've been low carbing for about 2.5 years now, and have recently concentrated on a ketogenic diet), it's going to be difficult to get a vegetarian to go low carb.  And if he wants to be vegetarian, low carb is possible, but difficult.

As for the original poster, what's your fasting blood sugar, fasting insulin, and hemoglobin A1C?    These tell you more than anything else (especially lipids, which are useless, unless your HDL is low, which it most likely is, but all that tells you is you have insulin resistance). 
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: WGH on 24 Jul 2016, 04:49 pm
Those nice taught belly muscles of your youth are now like old, stretched out rubber bands, no wonder your profile looks like a pear. You, along with everyone else over 30, has age-related muscle loss. Depending on the source, inactive people loose 3% to 8% of muscle every decade after 30 years old. Walking 5 miles a day in the hospital does nothing for core or upper body strength.

Exercise break - everyone drop and do 10 pushups right now!

Truthfully now - How many made it to 10? See what I mean.

The good news is that strength can be increased. I am working on this 1 person experiment, me. When does a person stop getting stronger? So far, at age 68 my strength is still increasing. Maria, my trainer, adds a little more weight when I'm not looking. She lets me know later. Glancing around the gym as I work out I see my strength and stamina in the same range as people half my age, some are stronger for sure, but many who have not exercised are weaker. This is not a competition on my part, just an observation on the human condition known as ageing.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: ctviggen on 24 Jul 2016, 05:21 pm
By the way, low total blood cholesterol is associated with higher rates of death.  The overall death rate curve for cholesterol is a bath tub curve--high at low cholesterol, lower in the middle, high again at high cholesterol. This does not mean that low cholesterol levels cause death, however, but just because one has "low" cholesterol is meaningless.  I've actually been trying to increase my total cholesterol, but I cannot.  I've increased my HDL (so called "good" "cholesterol") using low carb over several years, but my total cholesterol is basically unchanged.

One of many studies:

http://www.unisci.com/stories/20013/0803014.htm
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: WGH on 24 Jul 2016, 05:24 pm
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the most obvious solution:

(https://smbmatters.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/spanx_figleaves.jpg)

(http://onashops.com/store1/wp-content/uploads/spanx-men.jpg)
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: werd on 24 Jul 2016, 05:42 pm
Those nice taught belly muscles of your youth are now like old, stretched out rubber bands, no wonder your profile looks like a pear. You, along with everyone else over 30, has age-related muscle loss. Depending on the source, inactive people loose 3% to 8% of muscle every decade after 30 years old. Walking 5 miles a day in the hospital does nothing for core or upper body strength.

Exercise break - everyone drop and do 10 pushups right now!

Truthfully now - How many made it to 10? See what I mean.

The good news is that strength can be increased. I am working on this 1 person experiment, me. When does a person stop getting stronger? So far, at age 68 my strength is still increasing. Maria, my trainer, adds a little more weight when I'm not looking. She lets me know later. Glancing around the gym as I work out I see my strength and stamina in the same range as people half my age, some are stronger for sure, but many who have not exercised are weaker. This is not a competition on my part, just an observation on the human condition known as ageing.

Just did 10 pushups so back at you.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: werd on 24 Jul 2016, 05:50 pm
BTW if you build your shoulders and chest and work your lower back,  by default it makes your gut look smaller because your chest and shoulders have gotten bigger.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Folsom on 24 Jul 2016, 06:53 pm
I'm glad everyone is so enthusiastic... but I wouldn't jump into all sorts of hardcore exercise right away. It may not be good for everyone. Just to note the stress of real intense exercise... well... you've got elevated levels to begin with (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3986993) so maybe take what I'm saying seriously?
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: drphoto on 24 Jul 2016, 09:22 pm
Blood sugar is normal, so is thyroxine level. Dunno about testosterone.  I believe I get pretty adequate protein from fish. And again, especially on salmon I pay a premium for allegedly wild caught pacific type, not that dyed farm raised junk. Same for rare times I get shrimp. Always from US gulf, not the asian pond scum.

I do occasionally use tofu in a stir fry, but I have heard stories that it can increase estrogen levels. (oh am I suddenly going to feel a desire to watch oprah?  :o)

I don't eat much in the way of refined carbs. Never white bread, donuts, cakes or the like. Never cared for sweets other than occasional bit of dark chocolate. Don't add sugar to anything. Only brown rice. not many potatoes. Almost never fast food unless desperate. And please don't hate me.....I actually like quinoa!. Not keen on raw kale, but I do like it slow cooked southern style, but of course I don't use a ham hock for the flavor. Just a bit of soy and some veg. broth.

BTW: I really became a vegetarian because I personally don't like the way animals are treated on factory farms. I am NOT trying to stir up some shit storm political debate. I understand in an industrial/service economy nation how the world works. I can't change it, I just choose not to be in that part of it. I'm not some PETA nut job. (well I may be a nut job, but not on that) I grew up on a farm. We raised animals and processed them. And we used the whole carcess. But we took very good care of those animals. Because it was a small operation, they weren't 'just' a commodity to us.

But aside from all the walking at work, I get no exercise. I haven't even hit a golf ball this season. (& I did mostly walk when I used to play, except at places that made you ride of course)

Hey thanks for all the replies.

Join the Marines! That was my favorite!!
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Folsom on 24 Jul 2016, 09:38 pm
Your diet is fine.

Soy's phytoestrogen is super low quality, it actually displaces quality estrogen the male body makes. The problem is that if it has antioxident activities that are stressful for a person. In your case this is extremely unlikely. I've only found one rare person that while consuming any form of phyotoestrogen (not just soy) had an estrogen response. The hate on it is retard speak for "I don't know what the fuck is going on with food but I need some powerful excuses." It primarily comes from people that don't like people that go to health food stores. The person whom eats soy and seems girly doesn't need soy to be that way, and/or isn't consuming the things that would make them feel manly.

Lots of polyunsaturated fats are more likely to raise estrogen levels than anything else.

Seriously, you need to lower stress. Tia Chi is easy to follow from videos. Yoga... I'd get an instructor.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: drphoto on 24 Jul 2016, 09:56 pm
Yeah, It probably doesn't help that I am a Type A personality. I probably take everything way too seriously. Even my part, part time job as a front of house sound man can  be rough. We were about to start the first set of the night once, when the system just went haywire (turned out to be a malfunctioning channel in the mixer) I swear to god I thought I was going to have a coronary the spot. It was horrible.

But one stressor I can't fix at the moment is hours at hospital. I'm on for 9 out of ten days. I've just finished 6 @ average of 10 hrs a day. non stop. no lunch time. It's trauma season and it's just crazy. I don't know how the nurses do it. They are saints. Seriously if you ever go to the hospital, be nice to your nurses, please.

Forgot if I mentioned this, but back in the winter I got atypical pneumonia (meaning caused by an type of bacterium called a mycoplasm) While at docs office,  I was diagnosed with stage 4 idiopathic hypertension. (BTW idiopathic means 'of no known risk factors, like overweight, smoking etc. most likely genetics)  Treated nicely with a type of drug known in the biz as an ARB (angiotensin receptor blocker) Way more effective than beta blockers, alpha2 agonist (like clonidine) or calcium channel blockers. Plus, least likely to cause renal (kidney) problems. Good stuff. Expensive though. But.....cheaper than a stroke!  :lol:
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: drphoto on 24 Jul 2016, 10:02 pm
Sorry to ramble. I am starting to try to 'let go' on certain things. I've been trying to learn guitar for years. Just an exercise in frustration. I have all these friends who are terrific musicians and I frankly just sucked. So I decided, ok, you're never gonna play a David Gilmour solo or any thing else very well. So I just gave up and started writing my own songs. I thought, well, I'll play what I can play.

and now, I'm finally having fun. I love it. And paradoxically my playing hasn't gotten way better! my speed is up, my tone is good because my fretting has gotten cleaner. I have a better understanding of how songs are constructed. Hell, I might be able to actually do a Gilmour cover someday now if I want.

I recorded one of my bits on my phone and played it for one of the guitar players in a band I run sound for, and he was like.....is that really you??

So I'm trying to chill in some areas.  :)
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Post by: Folsom on 24 Jul 2016, 10:04 pm
Never been anemic? I might have you partially wrong, but it all reads like stress induced.
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Post by: drphoto on 24 Jul 2016, 10:18 pm
Well, B12 flagged as low, so taking supplement on that. and since I drink a wee bit too much, I take an additional B complex supplement, because alcohol can deplete thiamine (B1) . In fact the infamous 'rally bag' (or 'banana bag') they give to the drunks gets it's characteristic color from the multivitamin solution, but it also contains additional thiamine, folic acid and usually magnesium. 

Thiamine depletion can lead to something  known as WK syndrome which can result in a type of dementia.

Ok, class dismissed.  8)
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Post by: Folsom on 24 Jul 2016, 10:21 pm
You may want to switch to a bioactive version of B12, at least. Many people can't convert the other version.

Folic acid can be a double edged sword, if you have MTHFR mutations.
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Post by: SteveFord on 24 Jul 2016, 10:35 pm
I would cut out the booze and see if a nurse couldn't run me ragged. 
Keep up the guitar, too!
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Post by: bummrush on 24 Jul 2016, 11:33 pm
B 12 should be absorbed sublingily
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Post by: drphoto on 24 Jul 2016, 11:46 pm
Steve, If I were 25 years younger this job might be fun. There are some SERIOUSLY cute nurses at the hospital. But they aint't gonna look twice at a geezer like me. They like me because I do my job and make theirs easier, which in a way is nice. Even the young nurses work like demons. I admire the hell out of all of them.
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Post by: Folsom on 25 Jul 2016, 12:33 am
You don't know women :lol:
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Post by: drphoto on 25 Jul 2016, 12:54 am
uhh. yep. Guilty as charged.
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Rocket on 25 Jul 2016, 04:55 am
Hi,

If your within good healthy weight you might just trying concentrating on pulling your stomach in.  I know it sounds simplistic but I see many men of middle age with their guts hanging out and a lot is due to poor posture.  I'm moderately fit and still have a bit of a stomach but concentrate on having good posture.

Cheers Rod
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Post by: Jon L on 25 Jul 2016, 05:09 am
There are no miracle drugs, but this may be worth a shot:
http://supplementpolice.com/pure-forskolin-extract-review/

"The fuss and buzz behind Forskolin is due to the direct link its health properties have to helping burn fat quicker than normal dietary adjustments since it was found to help in the break down of adipose tissue (fancy name for belly fat), which helps release fatty acids in a process known as thermogenesis (which of course is why you need to stay hydrated daily to flush, eliminate and remove this toxic waste material and debris)."
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Post by: drphoto on 25 Jul 2016, 09:35 pm
BTW: just to be fair. Not all nurses are woman these days. There is a guy named Raymond in our ER and he's as good as any doctor I ever met. Physically, a little dude, but a giant of a man IMHO as a healthcare provider.
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Post by: Woodsea on 25 Jul 2016, 11:46 pm
I recommend finding a hike that you can do every week.  Make it a challenge to decrease the amount of time that you do it in.  Follow that up with moderate eating habits and some  sort of yoga type (stretching, body weight exercise) regime.  I was doing and will start-up again The Bar Method http://www.barmethod.com (http://www.barmethod.com) I recommend finding a hike that you can do every week.  Make it a challenge to decrease the amount of time that you do it in.
Disclosure I am a 51 yr old RN.
I got my time down to 50 minutes on the Grouse Grind https://www.grousemountain.com/grousegrind (https://www.grousemountain.com/grousegrind)

Good luck!
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Post by: drphoto on 25 Jul 2016, 11:58 pm
Bless you woodsea if you are an RN. I'm not religious. RN's are as close as I think as it get's to saints in my book. I can't believe the crap they have to endure. And do it everyday with a smile. I was on an elevator today with a pt going up to unit from Vascular. I said " Don't worry ma'm they'll take good care of you, we've got the best nurses in town and she smiled and said 'yes, I know;"  That sort of thing makes it worth doing.   :wink:
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: SteveFord on 26 Jul 2016, 12:06 am
What activity do you really like that keeps you active? 
Motorcycles do it for me - sweat bullets during the Summer, shiver it off during the Winter. 
I know what you mean about the belly, that's exactly where the weight goes but it comes off really quick, too. 
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: ctviggen on 26 Jul 2016, 12:13 am
Yeah, It probably doesn't help that I am a Type A personality. I probably take everything way too seriously. Even my part, part time job as a front of house sound man can  be rough. We were about to start the first set of the night once, when the system just went haywire (turned out to be a malfunctioning channel in the mixer) I swear to god I thought I was going to have a coronary the spot. It was horrible.

But one stressor I can't fix at the moment is hours at hospital. I'm on for 9 out of ten days. I've just finished 6 @ average of 10 hrs a day. non stop. no lunch time. It's trauma season and it's just crazy. I don't know how the nurses do it. They are saints. Seriously if you ever go to the hospital, be nice to your nurses, please.

Forgot if I mentioned this, but back in the winter I got atypical pneumonia (meaning caused by an type of bacterium called a mycoplasm) While at docs office,  I was diagnosed with stage 4 idiopathic hypertension. (BTW idiopathic means 'of no known risk factors, like overweight, smoking etc. most likely genetics)  Treated nicely with a type of drug known in the biz as an ARB (angiotensin receptor blocker) Way more effective than beta blockers, alpha2 agonist (like clonidine) or calcium channel blockers. Plus, least likely to cause renal (kidney) problems. Good stuff. Expensive though. But.....cheaper than a stroke!  :lol:

It may not be "idiopathic".  It could simply be insulin resistance, which you have if you have a belly.  Also, ask the doctor who prescribed that drug to show the results of the double blind, placebo controlled study indicating the benefit for that drug for heart disease. 
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: Folsom on 26 Jul 2016, 12:17 am
Stress raises insulin resistance.
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Post by: drphoto on 26 Jul 2016, 12:24 am
I read the studies bro. And it works great. (not plugging for the product. I dunno even who makes it actually) I think as someone in pharmacy that ARB's are a good choice. Another, and much cheaper is Valsartan. (2nd gen I think but not sure)  Our hospital docs don't tend to use for some reason. We usually only see when people come in and have listed as home med that we continue.

A lot of peoples first thought are beta blockers, but they have side effects. One of which is ED. Which really doesn't matter to me as I haven't had a date in 6 years!

 :cry: (although honestly.....i'm too damn tired to even bother.)
Title: Re: 58, think but belly. How to fix
Post by: drphoto on 26 Jul 2016, 12:25 am
Again, my glucose levels are well in normal range.
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Post by: OzarkTom on 26 Jul 2016, 12:48 am
It may not be "idiopathic".  It could simply be insulin resistance, which you have if you have a belly.  Also, ask the doctor who prescribed that drug to show the results of the double blind, placebo controlled study indicating the benefit for that drug for heart disease.

+1

Dr. Atkins said years ago he could tell if a person had insulin resistance by just looking at their belly.

Reducing Belly Fat: Blood Sugar Level Balance and Insulin Resistance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7GKw0nH9d4&index=15&list=PLQid6gbqWJKkkVicUjS1yS6CkJH21OIIs
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Post by: Doublej on 26 Jul 2016, 12:56 am
Do you think you're a rock star? At age 58?

 "I drink a wee bit too much"

Houston I think we have a problem...

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Post by: vonnie123 on 26 Jul 2016, 01:44 am
https://smile.amazon.com/Eat-Right-Your-Type-Encyclopedia/dp/1573229202/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1469497358&sr=1-4&keywords=eat+by+blood+type

Take a look at this book.....eat by your blood type
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Post by: WGH on 26 Jul 2016, 02:11 am
Then read these articles....and eat everything in moderation.

https://www.google.com/search?q=blood+type+diet+debunked&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=blood+type+diet+debunked&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
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Post by: drphoto on 26 Jul 2016, 02:40 am
double j. Yeah.....maybe.

Once I get my real life back, I'll be ok. I think I went and lost my mind volunteering to do this stint at hospital. But as much a I bitch about it, I love it too. Healthcare is a calling. I still have it. (to a degree) but it is seriously high stress.

But anyway, I only committed to 6 months. Just to get em through trauma season.