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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: James Tanner on 12 Mar 2013, 05:08 pm
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Bryston BOT-1 (Bryston Optical Transport)
Hi folks – very early prototype of the new Bryston BOT-1 we are working on.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76911)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76910)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76959)
It is a matching CD ‘Drive’ which connects to the Bryston BDP-2 digital player using the USB on the BOT-1 and one of the USB’s on the BDP-2 digital player.
You can play a CD or you can rip the CD to an internal drive in the BOT (2.5 or 3.5 inch drive x 1 or 2) which you can install internally in the BOT-1 in a special mounting case. You can also rip to the drives attach to the BDP-2.
The benefit is that the CD data is stored in memory in the BDP-2 digital player and reproduced using the high quality playback capability of the BDP-2.
James
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Hi James,
Shouldn't it be a BOP-1 or BOD-1 then.... :D
Are you aiming at Cd- replay only, or also on Sacd and Bluray optical discs? Taking into account you've stated earlier the end of optical discs is near, this development is rather noteworthy. Please enlighten us a bit more James.
Cheers,
Marius
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The topic title says Bryston Optical Player, then below that it's referred to as the Bryston Optical Drive.
Edit: Changed by James to both read Bryston Optical Transport.
When I think of an optical disc transport, I think of a device that can output to a DAC.
1. Will the unit also have an S/PDIF output or a USB output that is able to connect directly to a DAC?
2. Can the unit connect directly to a computer via USB for ripping to the computer or is it only designed to work with the BDP-2?
Steve
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Looks very interesting Jmaes. When you say ripper, does it just copy the WAV to the drive or are you running some sort of ripping software to FLAC. If yes what options such as lossless and or adding cover art etc might be available?
Cheers
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James,
what type of cd drive is it and who is the manufacturer?
al.
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James,
what type of cd drive is it and who is the manufacturer?
al.
Its a DVD bluray drive and custom
james
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Bryston BOT-1 (Bryston Optical Transport)
You can play a CD or you can rip the CD to an internal drive (2.5 or 3.5 inch drive x 1 or 2) which you can install internally in the BOT-1 in a special mounting case.
James
Hi James,
I hope you won't confine the ripping to the internal drive, and have options to rip to NAS devices in the software enabled? Will this new BOT have usb ports, just as the BDP has, to attach drives to and play them over the BDP? And have a network interface, to be able to stores files over the network?
Marius
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I don't care what you call it. I want one as soon as possible. Get those engineers on overtime :whip:
Tony
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Hi again James, just a thought, those of us with BDP1 players, could we just use this as a drive enclosure? Then if and when we move on to the BDP2 or 3 in the future we could then use the optical drive and ripping ability?
I take it that it is the hardware limitations of the BDP1 which will mean the initial incompatibility?
Cheers
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Any thoughts to incorporating the ability to read hi-rez (SACD & DVD-A) discs?
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Hi again James, just a thought, those of us with BDP1 players, could we just use this as a drive enclosure? Then if and when we move on to the BDP2 or 3 in the future we could then use the optical drive and ripping ability?
I take it that it is the hardware limitations of the BDP1 which will mean the initial incompatibility?
Cheers
James,
I would like clarification on this also. My initial thought was that you would install a hard drive internally to the BOT and you would rip CDs to it for use by the BDP-1 or -2. The BDP would read and play normally as if it were a USB drive directly installed. I assumed that the BOT would also output to a DAC for direct playback of a CD. Is this the way it works?
Tony
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this ia a tubed player?
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Hi James,
I hope you won't confine the ripping to the internal drive, and have options to rip to NAS devices in the software enabled? Will this new BOT have usb ports, just as the BDP has, to attach drives to and play them over the BDP? And have a network interface, to be able to stores files over the network?
Marius
Hi Marius = I will defer to Chris on that but I was just looking to have a player that could replace our CD Player - and the sound through the BDP-2 is really excellent.
james
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Hi James,
I don't understand some things:
1) The idea of a Blu-ray player is excellent and I wondered for a long time why Bryston do not manufacture it.
2) Why send its output in BDP2 ? (For me it's not logical)
3) Would it make more sense to send its output directly to a digital to analog converter, similar to BDA1 or BDA2 ?
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+1 for a Bryston Bluray player. That would be top of my wanted list to match the SP3 :D
Cheers
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Hi James,
I don't understand some things:
1) The idea of a Blu-ray player is excellent and I wondered for a long time why Bryston do not manufacture it.
2) Why send its output in BDP2 ? (For me it's not logical)
3) Would it make more sense to send its output directly to a digital to analog converter, similar to BDA1 or BDA2 ?
Hi
I really was not thinking about doing a Blu-ray player - I wanted a CD Player using the BDP-2 as the playback mate - so CD was my priority and Chris convinced me that using a Blu-Ray drive would allow for expansion in the future.
For now though I am concentrating on playing back CD's with the option of ripping those CD's to the attached drives on the BDP-2 or the internal drives on the BOT.
james
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:thumb: :thumb:
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:D
Hi James
As others have asked the question already, please let us know if the BOT-1 will be compatible with the BDP-1? For example will it be able to rip to an internal drive and then play the files through BDP-1/BDA-1?
Regards
George
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Hi James
As others have asked the question already, please let us know if the BOT-1 will be compatible with the BDP-1? For example will it be able to rip to an internal drive and then play the files through BDP-1/BDA-1?
Regards
George
Not sure - I will ask Chris.
james
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Hi All,
So compatibility with the BDP-1, ripping yes (albeit slow), just simple playback I doubt it greatly. A BDP-1 would also be able to make use of the BOT's internal storage. Supported media formats, audio cd's yes, audio from a DVD movie is also very likely. DVD-A I will have to look into but could be a possibility, I'm not sure about encryption or drm. Blu-ray audio is also a maybe, depends on what open source solutions are available really. Using a bluray drive in the BOT just leaves more possibilities available and ensures maximum possible growth in our software, kind of like how we put a ton of processing power into the BDP-2. The unit is over powered for the existing firmware, but it gives us tons of resources to expand the firmware (ie buffer an entire cd into main memory for a great playback experience). As for why we don't have an output to a DAC, well the BOT one doesn't contain a processor, so you need the BDP to read the data and output it to a DAC. No hou don't have to rip to internal storage, you cN send it right off to your NAS. As I mentioned earlier in the year there is all lot in the works at Bryston right now. I think I have covered everything that i can cover until I get a chance to speak with James further.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi Chris,
Still not sure I get the the compatibility issue with the BDP-1, I thought the 2 was just a faster more powerful 1.
Don't tell me I have to buy one of those too.
what about SACD ripping with the potential of the BDA-2 playing it back.
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Hi Chris, James
Since your talking 'ensures maximum possible growth' I take it you will provide for multichannel audio in the near future in the BOT-1. That would have consequences for the rest of the line-up, and I suppose this is one of the reasons you like to take the stereo-only soundcard out of the BDP?
Would this mean Bryston is preparing for a multichannel Dac (BDA-3) also, and where does this leave the current SP3? I thought the SP3 in the current setup had inferior dacs compared to the BDA2, which in the multichannel setup would have to be updated?
Cheers and thanks for your thoughts,
Marius
Hi All,
So compatibility with the BDP-1, ripping yes (albeit slow), just simple playback I doubt it greatly. A BDP-1 would also be able to make use of the BOT's internal storage. Supported media formats, audio cd's yes, audio from a DVD movie is also very likely. DVD-A I will have to look into but could be a possibility, I'm not sure about encryption or drm. Blu-ray audio is also a maybe, depends on what open source solutions are available really. Using a bluray drive in the BOT just leaves more possibilities available and ensures maximum possible growth in our software, kind of like how we put a ton of processing power into the BDP-2. The unit is over powered for the existing firmware, but it gives us tons of resources to expand the firmware (ie buffer an entire cd into main memory for a great playback experience). As for why we don't have an output to a DAC, well the BOT one doesn't contain a processor, so you need the BDP to read the data and output it to a DAC. No hou don't have to rip to internal storage, you cN send it right off to your NAS. As I mentioned earlier in the year there is all lot in the works at Bryston right now. I think I have covered everything that i can cover until I get a chance to speak with James further.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi All,
So compatibility with the BDP-1, ripping yes (albeit slow), just simple playback I doubt it greatly. A BDP-1 would also be able to make use of the BOT's internal storage. Supported media formats, audio cd's yes, audio from a DVD movie is also very likely. DVD-A I will have to look into but could be a possibility, I'm not sure about encryption or drm. Blu-ray audio is also a maybe, depends on what open source solutions are available really. Using a bluray drive in the BOT just leaves more possibilities available and ensures maximum possible growth in our software, kind of like how we put a ton of processing power into the BDP-2. The unit is over powered for the existing firmware, but it gives us tons of resources to expand the firmware (ie buffer an entire cd into main memory for a great playback experience). As for why we don't have an output to a DAC, well the BOT one doesn't contain a processor, so you need the BDP to read the data and output it to a DAC. No hou don't have to rip to internal storage, you cN send it right off to your NAS. As I mentioned earlier in the year there is all lot in the works at Bryston right now. I think I have covered everything that i can cover until I get a chance to speak with James further.
Cheers,
Chris
Chris,
Thanks Chris, that is interesting info. Just an observation that if this optical drive does not have a digital output to a DAC then you are eliminating all potential customers for the BOT except for those that own the BDP-2 and not all BDP-2 owners would purchase it. I don't understand why Bryston would do that -- recipe for failure IMHO.
Tony
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As a BDP-2 owner, I would not buy the BOT, based on the info provided.
I use my computer to rip my CD's to lossless flac and then network copy them to the BDP-2's internal drive.
After hearing my music this way I would never go back to listening to a "REAL" CD.
Unless, there is some other function's we haven't being told about.
Marius,
I would not say that the SP3 has inferior DAC's to the BDA-2.
Just different depending on your listening pleasure.
Some people have commented that the sound stage is a little more back on the BDA-2.
I do not like the sound stage further back, so that may be a deal breaker for me,
even if I preferred the sound on the BDA-2 a bit more than the SP3.
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Halloo, fellow audio questers:
I find the BOT endeavor quite interesting. Clearly it's in the early prototype stages, but it's exciting to consider the many directions the project may take, from CD-only to an Oppo-style "I eat all shiny discs" player. Most of us likely still have substantial CD libraries, and there are fewer high-quality dedicated players available than heretofore, so CD-only makes sense to me. If the project expands to Blu-ray audio and other formats, that's fine, too. Consider the niche of high-end CD transports. Most of them are esoterica, near-stratospheric in cost. My guess is that the BOT will develop into a high-value product that will suit many audiophiles. By high-value, I don't mean inexpensive products, but pieces with quality parts, efficient and effective design, and a great deal of cogent thought behind them. In my view, Bryston products are designed not only for long-term service but for long-term satisfaction.
Certainly one can rip an entire collection to the computer, and many of us will have done so, but I still find it convenient and pleasurable to select, load, play, and enjoy a CD from the shelves of my collection. It's clear that, for most people outside our hobby, listening habits have changed, and that music has become a mere background to other activities. Those of us on this forum have likely committed the time recently to listening to . . . gasp . . . an entire album. We have so valued the music, the performer(s), and the quality of audio reproduction of that event to commit a portion of our only nonrecoverable asset (time) to achieve a pleasurable and fulfilling experience.
One of the things I admire greatly about Bryston, especially recently, is their innovation. Much like during the Steve Jobs era at Apple, their leaders build the product that they want, the product that excites their passion. It doesn't need to encompass everyone's extensive wish list, to wit the SP3. Rather, the product represents a clear commitment to a philosophy that reveres and celebrates quality sound. For me, this is an expression of integrity, and I trust that the Bryston family will develop something that many of us will enjoy. It won't be a product for everyone, and as several forum members have noted eloquently, it will not meet their interests or needs. But that's why Bryston isn't a big-box store brand. When one looks at Bryston's product range, there's enough diversity for all of us to get excited by at least some of the products, the ones that fit our circumstances. I'm sure the development of the BOT will pique our interests, and I look forward to the insights that the participants in this forum will provide.
Cheerio,
Rich
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Hi Guys,
By limiting the BOT's functionality to only working in hand with a BDP we are substantially lowering the final price tag of the unit. By not including the features as standard with the BDP-2, customers aren't spending extra money on features they don't want. As many people have pointed out they neither want a BOT because as they use there computer for ripping, but others would like a solution that doesn't require any setup or they just want a CD player for reason "X". By no means do we expect to sell a BOT with every BDP. The BOT is just like the BDP, it's for people that want something that just works out of the box. As some of you have already mentioned, they may not necessarily want it for all the same reasons.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi Chris,
I think you have a winner at hand, I'd certainly add it to my digital music machinery, since this would make up the perfect Bryston Audiophile Musiccomputer along side the BDPx.
Speaking of it in that way, are Bryston considering to combine the two machines into one? Both machines are useless without one form or another of the other (with the sole exemption of music-downloads). Transport is needs the player, and the player needs software....
Combined into the BAM-1 you might have electronic integration profits, reduced costs and even friendlier user interface/action?
Cheers,
Marius
still interested in the multichannel aspects...
Hi Guys,
By limiting the BOT's functionality to only working in hand with a BDP we are substantially lowering the final price tag of the unit. By not including the features as standard with the BDP-2, customers aren't spending extra money on features they don't want. As many people have pointed out they neither want a BOT because as they use there computer for ripping, but others would like a solution that doesn't require any setup or they just want a CD player for reason "X". By no means do we expect to sell a BOT with every BDP. The BOT is just like the BDP, it's for people that want something that just works out of the box. As some of you have already mentioned, they may not necessarily want it for all the same reasons.
Cheers,
Chris
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If the Bot puts the cd in memory for future playback,would there be a slot or two for say installing a thumb drive.
So if your are recording the cd and you install the thumb drive you could record onto the TD also or from memory.
That would be terrific,real simple meat and potatoes type of recording.
Hopefully I've been reading the thread right,James any thoughts on this with recording onto a TD.
I'm a simple and basic type of guy.
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If the Bot puts the cd in memory for future playback,would there be a slot or two for say installing a thumb drive.
So if your are recording the cd and you install the thumb drive you could record onto the TD also or from memory.
That would be terrific,real simple meat and potatoes type of recording.
Hopefully I've been reading the thread right,James any thoughts on this with recording onto a TD.
I'm a simple and basic type of guy.
Hi Don
No need for the TD as you can install a small USB 2.5 inch drivve internally on the BOT and it will rip the CD to it.
james
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James I like it already,I believe Incognito said that it rips a cd slow,how slow,1minuet,2,5minuets.
Can a person say pick and choose certain tracks to rip off a cd to make a play list.
If that's the case WHEN"S LAUNCH DATE,THX.
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James I like it already,I believe Incognito said that it rips a cd slow,how slow,1minuet,2,5minuets.
Can a person say pick and choose certain tracks to rip off a cd to make a play list.
If that's the case WHEN"S LAUNCH DATE,THX.
On the prototype tha first song is available to listen to in about 5 seconds and the rest follow - whole CD takes about 2-3 minutes to load fully in memory - usually by the time the first song is over the whole CD is loaded. By the way the reason we went with a Tray loader is the slot loads take about 1/3rd longer.
james
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Not long at all(to me) :lol:.
James can a person create a song list instead of recording the whole cd.
Buying cds or lps for one or two tracks creates alot of wasted space as I'm not into 16,000 songs for back ground music,thx again.
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Not long at all(to me) :lol:.
James can a person create a song list instead of recording the whole cd.
Buying cds or lps for one or two tracks creates alot of wasted space as I'm not into 16,000 songs for back ground music,thx again.
Not sure on that (will wait for Chris to respond) - I would assume you can edit out the songs you do not want after the CD is fully loaded.
james
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That for me would the cat's meow.
Do we have a estimated launch date,summer or fall.
I think I'd preorder
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That for me would the cat's meow.
Do we have a estimated launch date,summer or fall.
I think I'd preorder
Probably summer :thumb:
james
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Hi
I really was not thinking about doing a Blu-ray player - I wanted a CD Player using the BDP-2 as the playback mate - so CD was my priority and Chris convinced me that using a Blu-Ray drive would allow for expansion in the future.
For now though I am concentrating on playing back CD's with the option of ripping those CD's to the attached drives on the BDP-2 or the internal drives on the BOT.
james
Hi James,
With the unit containing a Blu-Ray DVD drive is it possible to have it transport DVD and Blu-Ray video to a pre/pro or receiver that can do all the video processing. The thought of a drive also doing video transport would make for a full audio/video unit and keeps Bryston out of the whole video processing and all the headaches and changes in technology that comes with video.
I guess what i am saying is think of a Oppo player minus all the onboard video processing and internal DAC's and just sending it to a receiver or pre/pro to handle all that. Is something like this possible?
Mark
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Hi James,
What's the price point you're looking at for the BOT-1?
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Hi James,
With the unit containing a Blu-Ray DVD drive is it possible to have it transport DVD and Blu-Ray video to a pre/pro or receiver that can do all the video processing. The thought of a drive also doing video transport would make for a full audio/video unit and keeps Bryston out of the whole video processing and all the headaches and changes in technology that comes with video.
I guess what i am saying is think of a Oppo player minus all the onboard video processing and internal DAC's and just sending it to a receiver or pre/pro to handle all that. Is something like this possible?
Mark
Hi Mark,
I will let Chris answer that one.
james
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Hi James,
What's the price point you're looking at for the BOT-1?
I hope to have that in the next few weeks as we are still getting prices on the propriatary parts. Hoping around $1500 list.
james
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Hi James,
With the unit containing a Blu-Ray DVD drive is it possible to have it transport DVD and Blu-Ray video to a pre/pro or receiver that can do all the video processing. The thought of a drive also doing video transport would make for a full audio/video unit and keeps Bryston out of the whole video processing and all the headaches and changes in technology that comes with video.
I guess what i am saying is think of a Oppo player minus all the onboard video processing and internal DAC's and just sending it to a receiver or pre/pro to handle all that. Is something like this possible?
Mark
But, would it not be better to provide a Bluray player that would work with the wonderful SP3? I still feel that it is a real omission from the Bryston line-up given that all other aspects of home cinema are covered to such a great level...
Cheers
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I hope to have that in the next few weeks as we are still getting prices on the propriatary parts. Hoping around $1500 list.
james
Not sure what that would equate to in rip-off Britain, but looks like a great price point, and one where I would purchase. Thanks
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It took all day to troubleshoot the BOT's shiny new power supply but the BOT-1 plays its first cd as i type this...... Overexposed by Maroon 5
http://youtu.be/KdHzI465xA4
Cheers,
Chris
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I dont like the name. Synonymous with a virus or an attack bot on your computer. Thats the only way i ever hear it used. I would change it.
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But, would it not be better to provide a Bluray player that would work with the wonderful SP3? I still feel that it is a real omission from the Bryston line-up given that all other aspects of home cinema are covered to such a great level...
Cheers
I assume that you mean audio only...last thing Bryston wants is to get into the video mess or rebadge an OPPO.
Steve
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I assume that you mean audio only...last thing Bryston wants is to get into the video mess or rebadge an OPPO.
Steve
Nope, I would more than happily pay for a Bryston tuned and aesthetic matched Oppo clone to go on my Bryston rack. I know others feel differently, but my kit sits in my front room and the rack appeal is worth the extra money, TO ME.
Cheers
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Probably summer :thumb:
james
I make no promises, James might be my boss but his influence doesn't extend to bending time :lol: :lol: :lol:
Cheers,
Chris
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So Chris,can a person make a playlist on the Bot,thx.
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So Chris,can a person make a playlist on the Bot,thx.
There's no reason why it couldn't
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Now it gets exciting,wait a minute,Chris shouldn't you be burnin the midnight oil over at Bryston,heck it's ONLY 7:00 pm here :green:.
THX.
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I'm on salary :lol:
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Nope, I would more than happily pay for a Bryston tuned and aesthetic matched Oppo clone to go on my Bryston rack. I know others feel differently, but my kit sits in my front room and the rack appeal is worth the extra money, TO ME.
Cheers
I would love to see a Bryston modded Oppo BDP 105, how about it James ?
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I would love to see a Bryston modded Oppo BDP 105, how about it James ?
No I think we would start from scratch :thumb:
james
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I would love to see a Bryston modded Oppo BDP 105, how about it James ?
While we're at it, I'd love a Bryston version of the Naim Uniti. Not re-badged, but a B60/DAC/BDP/tuner/digital iPod player all in one. And it can be done without compromising sound quality - Uniti sounds every bit as good as the Nait 5i and CD5i it's based on.
I think a ton of guys here would buy one for secondary systems. It would also pull in a bunch of non-Bryston people in too. It's been so successful for Naim that they've got 3 different versions of it. My local Naim dealer (I moved so he's not local anymore) couldn't keep them in stock because they unexpectedly sold so well.
Just throwing that out there. It's fun to play product developer and not having any responsibility for a potentially bad move for a company :green:
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No I think we would start from scratch :thumb:
james
Can I order one now please? :thumb: :thumb:
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Well its 3:30 am here in Ontario, Peterborough, 677 Neal Drive, the cubicle in engineering occupied by one Chris (crap i have forgotten my last name); but none of that matters because all the features work in the BOT-1
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77112)
And its all mine (insert evil laugh here)
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Hi Chris, James
before you start grin too loudly, what would the BOT1 do or do better that the HDX can not do? http://www.naimaudio.com/hifi-products/hdx
I must confess I fear a Bryston digital system, that in itself is really wonderful, but in fact lags quite a bit behind the Naims in this world in terms of sophisticated design (check/compare the display for starters), userfriendliness (check their App) and overall specs and functionality.
A Bot that only rips and plays from memory hardly answers to market demand I would guess?
Building a whole new system around playing CD's seems a bit awkward, since we already can rip them from our seats or desks (instead of having to walkover to the stereo...) and build lists and the lot. And, as you stated before repeatedly, the CD's end is nigh. The very reason Bryston stopped manufacturing the BCD1 :scratch: :scratch:
What else is up your sleeve. There must be?
Marius
Well its 3:30 am here in Ontario, Peterborough, 677 Neal Drive, the cubicle in engineering occupied by one Chris (crap i have forgotten my last name); but none of that matters because all the features work in the BOT-1
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77112)
And its all mine (insert evil laugh here)
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Hi Marius,
The idea behind the BOT is because many of our customers were disappointed when we stopped building our CD player as many of them feel CD's still sound excellent and want to play those CD's in the traditional manner. I guess time will tell as to the success or failure of the concept.
james
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I think both the Bryston and Naim will make it so much easier than using a computer where(at least for me )you have to drag this,click that ect and more ect and then more.
These seem just so simple just like the old tape decks record and play,that's what I'm after.
I had a HHB cdr,took me awhile to get used to it but way easier than a FN computer,see I'm already pissed off.
Yes I lift heavy things and my knuckles drag on the ground :duh:.
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HEY Chris,are you up :lol:..
I wonder if a person could connect a PH stage to the Bot-1 to record LP's
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I wonder if a person could connect a PH stage to the Bot-1 to record LP's
I don't think the BOT-1 has analog inputs and an Analog to Digital converter.
Steve
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Using an ADC converter(Benchmark).
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Using an ADC converter(Benchmark).
Then I think it would be a matter of software and whether Bryston felt the added feature could result in any added sales, but I'm guessing the number of vinyl people who have either a separate ADC or a phonostage with built-in ADC is fairly small.
Then the features often wanted for vinyl transfer such as noise/click/pop removal, track separation, etc. are probably better addressed by a computer and full-featured software such as Pure Vinyl.
Steve
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Hi Chris, James
before you start grin too loudly, what would the BOT1 do or do better that the HDX can not do? http://www.naimaudio.com/hifi-products/hdx
I must confess I fear a Bryston digital system, that in itself is really wonderful, but in fact lags quite a bit behind the Naims in this world in terms of sophisticated design (check/compare the display for starters), userfriendliness (check their App) and overall specs and functionality.
A Bot that only rips and plays from memory hardly answers to market demand I would guess?
Building a whole new system around playing CD's seems a bit awkward, since we already can rip them from our seats or desks (instead of having to walkover to the stereo...) and build lists and the lot. And, as you stated before repeatedly, the CD's end is nigh. The very reason Bryston stopped manufacturing the BCD1 :scratch: :scratch:
What else is up your sleeve. There must be?
Marius
Your judging a book by its cover Marius
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Nope.
Im not judging. Im asking.
About the contents of the book.
Marius
Your judging a book by its cover Marius
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Nope.
Im not judging. Im asking.
About the contents of the book.
Marius
I read it for the articles :lol:
james
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Hi Chris, James
before you start grin too loudly, what would the BOT1 do or do better that the HDX can not do? http://www.naimaudio.com/hifi-products/hdx
Marius
A major difference between the Bryston gear and the Naim products is Naim are all-in-one. I prefer a digital player where I can choose a different DAC. With Bryston you are not locked into a device where the technology is forever changing, as we see with DAC's
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If there was an option for this to be a transport for the BDA instead of just the BDP, I would be very interested.
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If there was an option for this to be a transport for the BDA instead of just the BDP, I would be very interested.
+1
Tony
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A major difference between the Bryston gear and the Naim products is Naim are all-in-one. I prefer a digital player where I can choose a different DAC. With Bryston you are not locked into a device where the technology is forever changing, as we see with DAC's
Naim does offer hardware upgrades on their internal DACs for those "all-in-one".... Very few manufactures actually offer upgrades like that. Also they do sell other items besides their "all-in-one" products. Also, you can still get an FM Tuner and actual CD drive in those little beasts. Perfect for an office, bedroom or an uncluttered room.
If there was an option for this to be a transport for the BDA instead of just the BDP, I would be very interested.
+1 as well
I can get behind a hdd enclosure for the BDP long before i can get behind a usb cd-rom drive. If the CD Transport and HDD enclosure were available today, I would have both. (and a naim all-in-one for the office :) )
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I can get behind a hdd enclosure for the BDP long before i can get behind a usb cd-rom drive. If the CD Transport and HDD enclosure were available today, I would have both.
+1
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The bot also contains space for two 3.5" hard drives locate opposite of the toroidal transformer.
Cheers
Chris
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The bot also contains space for two 3.5" hard drives locate opposite of the toroidal transformer.
Cheers
Chris
Cheers I appreciate that. But, if you have a BDP1 like me, one of the early adopters, you can't really use the optical part of the BOT, all you need is a drive enclosure, to make use of the optical drive you would need to upgrade to a BDP2, which already has an internal drive so you might not need the BOT as an enclosure. So doesn't really make sense, to me. I would love to support this product as it is part of what I want, the drive enclosure, but falls short of working with my player and is not the full Bluray player which would make my Bryston experience complete.
Cheers
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I like the BOT, and I will be be buying one. I like how Bryston is leveraging the power of the BDP-2 for the BOT and that you can control the CD player from a Web Application. I'm hoping that we'll be able to control more Bryston products in the future via the BDP-2 ( like pre-amps and the SP3 ). I think the BOT is a clever way to provide a CD player at its price point.
Anyway I'm in: I'm going to buy a BDP-2 and a BOT in the near future.
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The bot also contains space for two 3.5" hard drives locate opposite of the toroidal transformer.
Cheers
Chris
I believe the quoted reason to drop the HDD enclosure was because of price.. I'm not really sure I understand how that doesn't apply here, not that I need to know...
What about these options for the BOT-1:
* adapter to stack 2 SSDs or 2 mobile hdds...
* raid 5: it would be better to make room for 3 hdd so you can enable raid5, otherwise if you can stack the 2.5" and 1.8" drives
* BTRFS filesystem: The added checksum features would be great to have if you are ripping your CDs and using the BDP as your primary storage.
* Offsite storage? Seems like crashplan or some other solution that supports linux would be good idea if you are ripping CDs.
Sadly the norm these days for new artists is to release records and digital downloads, and it's rare to purchase the CD. SACD/DSD, DVD Audio, and blu-ray discs have always been rare and have always enjoyed them for the artists I like, but I really never make a point to select that format. I do also have my slow but trusty oppo bdp-95 for for the odd formats.
Jim
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I like the BOT, and I will be be buying one. I like how Bryston is leveraging the power of the BDP-2 for the BOT and that you can control the CD player from a Web Application. I'm hoping that we'll be able to control more Bryston products in the future via the BDP-2 ( like pre-amps and the SP3 ). I think the BOT is a clever way to provide a CD player at its price point.
Anyway I'm in: I'm going to buy a BDP-2 and a BOT in the near future.
If you do like that integration.. i was floored for what Naim offered.. you can power on/off, volume, control radio, cd-player, internet radio and upnp audio all from a single application. Even has an app to help integrate your music to the player. A sore point with me is the lack of consistent 12v trigger connectors and the fact that the BDP and BDA uses the same on/off remote code. Only if i could have the BDP-1 and 2B SST2 in the naim all-in-one...
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To much integration for me,separates I like.
I think Naim forgot the cassette deck in there with everything else.
Some like all in one which is fine,depends what you want I suppose as we all like different things.
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Like a few others participating in this thread I've also stopped listening to the actual CDs in favor of listening to the "ripped" files off of my drives. I however would be very interested in having a "dedicated" audio grade component take over this ripping task from non- "single task" dedicated, multiple function, multiple setting pieces of equipment.
I believe one of the reasons people are resisting making the switch to "discless" audio is they've had mixed results as far as the quality of playback they've experienced compared to the better traditional playback they've heard. If there are any "Truths" to Computer Audio, one is "Everything is significant".
Given the choice of having the guess work taken out of achieving near perfectionist results, on a consistent basis, or "I enjoy the challenge of making exceptional rips, every time". Guess which choice an "Audiophile"(not a Computer/Audio Enthusiast) would pick.
The somewhat amazing thing is the outstanding results that many of us non Tech/Engineer background types have accomplished. It's time for those in the Audio Industry to step up "Their Game". I'd much rather spend more time as an "Audiophile"
I for 1 think that the BOT-1 has a very exciting potential
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Hi Chris,
With the unit containing a Blu-Ray DVD drive is it possible to have it transport DVD and Blu-Ray video to a pre/pro or receiver that can do all the video processing. The thought of a drive also doing video transport would make for a full audio/video unit and keeps Bryston out of the whole video processing and all the headaches and changes in technology that comes with video.
I guess what i am saying is think of a Oppo player minus all the onboard video processing and internal DAC's and just sending it to a receiver or pre/pro to handle all that. :scratch:
Mark
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Hi Steve,
I second your thought, and would like to add that another main reason for some hesitation on my part with the BOT in this separate-from-the-BDP-box design, is that the ripping process is prone to numerous errors in the tag-part. To me it seems that the industry-ad's and manufactors that promise this simple and successful ripping process live in a non existent world. Almost every single (classical) cd I rip has to be completely manually edited, because of the errors in the Internet Databases or the complete unavailability. And Im not even talking about the multi-disk spanning recordings. Or the language-issues these databases result in most of the time. (always in English while the bigger part of the library has another mother-tongue). Or Album Art!
Having a BOT won't resolve that I suspect, so I would end up having to edit these automated rips behind my Macbook after all. Reducing the advertised advantage of the BOT to being a memory reading transport, which the BDP already is with the rips that succeeded up to know... Only difference is we now have to wait for the cd to start playing, and up to 2-3 minutes for the last track?, instead of the direct acces the old BCD gave us. (still gives in my case :thumb:)
Or am I missing something? (wouldn't want to judge ) Make it into a BAM-1, and I'd start saving up...
Cheers,
Marius
Like a few others participating in this thread I've also stopped listening to the actual CDs in favor of listening to the "ripped" files off of my drives. I however would be very interested in having a "dedicated" audio grade component take over this ripping task from non- "single task" dedicated, multiple function, multiple setting pieces of equipment.
I believe one of the reasons people are resisting making the switch to "discless" audio is they've had mixed results as far as the quality of playback they've experienced compared to the better traditional playback they've heard. If there are any "Truths" to Computer Audio, one is "Everything is significant".
Given the choice of having the guess work taken out of achieving near perfectionist results, on a consistent basis, or "I enjoy the challenge of making exceptional rips, every time". Guess which choice an "Audiophile"(not a Computer/Audio Enthusiast) would pick.
The somewhat amazing thing is the outstanding results that many of us non Tech/Engineer background types have accomplished. It's time for those in the Audio Industry to step up "Their Game". I'd much rather spend more time as an "Audiophile"
I for 1 think that the BOT-1 has a very exciting potential
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If you do like that integration.. i was floored for what Naim offered.. you can power on/off, volume, control radio, cd-player, internet radio and upnp audio all from a single application. Even has an app to help integrate your music to the player. A sore point with me is the lack of consistent 12v trigger connectors and the fact that the BDP and BDA uses the same on/off remote code. Only if i could have the BDP-1 and 2B SST2 in the naim all-in-one...
I too find the Naim software really slick.
Really!?! The BDP and BDA use the same on/off remote code! That's pretty annoying.
What do you mean by: the lack of consistent 12v trigger connectors ?
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What do you mean by: the lack of consistent 12v trigger connectors ?
He means this
The BDA-2 is supplied with a Trigger input put to facilitate remote hard wired on/off control. A two pin socket mates with the CO110A-11102 bare-wire terminal block connector supplied with your BDA-2
The BDP-2 TRIGGER IN and OUT connectors (3.5mm 2-conductor phone jacks) allow for implementation of a hard wired remote power ON/OFF control
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Hi Steve,
I second your thought, and would like to add that another main reason for some hesitation on my part with the BOT in this separate-from-the-BDP-box design, is that the ripping process is prone to numerous errors in the tag-part. To me it seems that the industry-ad's and manufactors that promise this simple and successful ripping process live in a non existent world. Almost every single (classical) cd I rip has to be completely manually edited, because of the errors in the Internet Databases or the complete unavailability. And Im not even talking about the multi-disk spanning recordings. Or the language-issues these databases result in most of the time. (always in English while the bigger part of the library has another mother-tongue). Or Album Art!
Having a BOT won't resolve that I suspect, so I would end up having to edit these automated rips behind my Macbook after all. Reducing the advertised advantage of the BOT to being a memory reading transport, which the BDP already is with the rips that succeeded up to know... Only difference is we now have to wait for the cd to start playing, and up to 2-3 minutes for the last track?, instead of the direct acces the old BCD gave us. (still gives in my case :thumb:)
Or am I missing something? (wouldn't want to judge ) Make it into a BAM-1, and I'd start saving up...
Cheers,
Marius
The short answer is , "Yes, you seem to have interpreted my "desirability" stance of the proposed functionality of the BOT-1 , about 180% opposite of what it is." I thought I was explaining why the BOT-1 was a better way of doing things
While I have been able to build a very enjoyable small library (700 CDs at last count) (90% or better "Accurate Rips") I have very little doubt that High End Audio Mfgs. (such as Bryston or Naim) would release a component that didn't easily exceed what "I" have been able to do. The Mech/Tech support alone is light years ahead of what most of us have access to.
Another thing that you may also "missing" is the reason some of us no longer listen to CDs go way beyond the "conveince" factor. It is extremely unlikely that the actual music files on the physical Compact Disc are completely unaltered during the pressing process. Error correction at playback impacts the "musicality" of the files tremendously as far as I'm concerned. If there is any functionality that I question it's the ability to "play" the "flawed physical media" given to the public from the recorded music industry when you can "easily" make the recordings sound more like music than recordings. I have no problem waiting to listen to "music" rather than listening to it's approximation now. I can work my schedule around the few minutes I waste.
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lol and o dear. sorry for that.
but let me ask you this: if you mean the industry "can "easily" make the recordings sound more like music than recordings" you mean by playing the actual digital recordings, I am with you. Thats why I was talking about downloading hires files. If you mean the cd's, I don't follow any longer. The mishaps you describe while pressing cd's have taken place, and can not be corrected, can they? Maybe other processes in the system of transferring bits to music can make these files sound better than the cd's, but the errors remain? Thats why we make bit perfect/lossless copies?
But, my post was more about the software side of the ripping process, than the hardware and bit conversion bit of it all, thats why I 'added' to your statement, which I shouldn't have.
Marius
(and Im not 'missing' anything too much I think, kind of dislike that judgement really, taken into account Im exactly doing what you describe, namely putting a lot of effort and going far beyond the convenience factor....all for the sake of superior sound and music experience)
The short answer is , "Yes, you seem to have interpreted my "desirability" stance of the proposed functionality of the BOT-1 , about 180% opposite of what it is." I thought I was explaining why the BOT-1 was a better way of doing things
While I have been able to build a very enjoyable small library (700 CDs at last count) (90% or better "Accurate Rips") I have very little doubt that High End Audio Mfgs. (such as Bryston or Naim) would release a component that didn't easily exceed what "I" have been able to do. The Mech/Tech support alone is light years ahead of what most of us have access to.
Another thing that you may also "missing" is the reason some of us no longer listen to CDs go way beyond the "conveince" factor. It is extremely unlikely that the actual music files on the physical Compact Disc are completely unaltered during the pressing process. Error correction at playback impacts the "musicality" of the files tremendously as far as I'm concerned. If there is any functionality that I question it's the ability to "play" the "flawed physical media" given to the public from the recorded music industry when you can "easily" make the recordings sound more like music than recordings. I have no problem waiting to listen to "music" rather than listening to it's approximation now. I can work my schedule around the few minutes I waste.
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Marius,
Sorry if you thought my mention of ripping CDs for the convience factor was directed toward yourself, I'm a bit sensitive toward the widespread "opinion" that ripping methods are equal & I suppose I go out of my way to make it known that's not what I'm hearing. (First off to James sorry for the detour from the thread topic, I'll try to limit my interruption after this )
Maybe "Bit Perfect" copies of CDs isn't what we should be talking about but "Bit Corrected". I'm not quite sure how the alogoriths in certain ripping software works to correct what it sees as "indistinct"bits, but I'm pretty sure the result is no longer "Bit Perfect" (It was'nt actually "Bit Perfect" on the disc at this point). I don't know how accurate these bit corrections in the resultant rips are except to say the rips display much greater timing & pitch characteristics then the optical playback of the CD. As the Brits like to say there is much more "PRAT" now . ( Error correction at optical playback does'nt appear to be nearly as successful)
I fired up my SACD player the other day & played back one of my Channel Classic SACDs that I like quite a bit.I then played back the rip of the CD layer. I preferred the sound of the rip . I then played back the CD layer of same disc through the same DAC I'd played the rip through (Metrum Hex) I was'nt as impressed. When I first started to rip the CD layer of my SACDs I was worried about "leaving some musical info on the table" in terms of resolution . I'm not obsessing anymore (maybe if I had a player at the Meitner level I would, but if I had a Meitner , I'd buy every SACD that interested me & be done with everything)
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James/Chris, I know it will add to the bottom line, but is there an opportunity to put in some sort of daughter board, to make the BOT more compatible with us poor old BDP1 owners? Would increase your potential market I would think.
Cheers
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To much integration for me,separates I like.
I think Naim forgot the cassette deck in there with everything else.
Some like all in one which is fine,depends what you want I suppose as we all like different things.
There's a place for both.
If you are ever at a naim dealer, go check out the app, it's rather impressive. Probably one of the key reasons integration is important to me is that most house guests can't figure out how to turn on my separates to listen to music, radio etc. So having an old iphone/ipod control a device like the naim in the den or guest bedroom would be ideal.
btw, I have recently purchased a cassette deck as a birthday present. I'm suppose to be getting a Johnny Cash dubstep mix, if Naim had the cassette deck included, I would have a way to play it back.. :thumb:
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Like a few others participating in this thread I've also stopped listening to the actual CDs in favor of listening to the "ripped" files off of my drives. I however would be very interested in having a "dedicated" audio grade component take over this ripping task from non- "single task" dedicated, multiple function, multiple setting pieces of equipment.
I believe one of the reasons people are resisting making the switch to "discless" audio is they've had mixed results as far as the quality of playback they've experienced compared to the better traditional playback they've heard. If there are any "Truths" to Computer Audio, one is "Everything is significant".
Given the choice of having the guess work taken out of achieving near perfectionist results, on a consistent basis, or "I enjoy the challenge of making exceptional rips, every time". Guess which choice an "Audiophile"(not a Computer/Audio Enthusiast) would pick.
The somewhat amazing thing is the outstanding results that many of us non Tech/Engineer background types have accomplished. It's time for those in the Audio Industry to step up "Their Game". I'd much rather spend more time as an "Audiophile"
I for 1 think that the BOT-1 has a very exciting potential
This is the exact reason why the BOT was brought in existence, but also because we can we will make it do more.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi Steve,
I second your thought, and would like to add that another main reason for some hesitation on my part with the BOT in this separate-from-the-BDP-box design, is that the ripping process is prone to numerous errors in the tag-part. To me it seems that the industry-ad's and manufactors that promise this simple and successful ripping process live in a non existent world. Almost every single (classical) cd I rip has to be completely manually edited, because of the errors in the Internet Databases or the complete unavailability. And Im not even talking about the multi-disk spanning recordings. Or the language-issues these databases result in most of the time. (always in English while the bigger part of the library has another mother-tongue). Or Album Art!
Having a BOT won't resolve that I suspect, so I would end up having to edit these automated rips behind my Macbook after all. Reducing the advertised advantage of the BOT to being a memory reading transport, which the BDP already is with the rips that succeeded up to know... Only difference is we now have to wait for the cd to start playing, and up to 2-3 minutes for the last track?, instead of the direct acces the old BCD gave us. (still gives in my case :thumb:)
Or am I missing something? (wouldn't want to judge ) Make it into a BAM-1, and I'd start saving up...
Cheers,
Marius
Sorry abou that Marius, I was having a stressful weekend and you really didn't deserve it. BAM-1? Other the. Playing and ripping cd's we still arn't entirely sure what else the bot will do. I will mention what I am playing with:
-abcde open source cd ripper wih integrated cd-db.org or tag data
-I still havn't settled on a piece of software for ripping audio out of DVD's but I'm leaning towards vobcopy and cli version of handbreak to encode a copy of surround sound audio into two channel. This would allow customers to store both stereo and multichannel audio from Dvd's. with the BDP-2's upnp server feature it could host the video for upnp enabled devices.
-for blurays I'm looking at makemkv, however it's been nearly a year since I hav used this program and I'm still not entirely sure about its license agreement.
-I have also started integrating plex server into early builds of manic moose (version S2.XX) of the firmware that will be released for both the BDP's later this year. I don't think plex will run on a BDP-1 so I am also looking for a light upnp server it could handle. For the BDP-1 I'm leaning towards the same thing that he wd live drives use, can't remember it's name but it was open source and I wrote it down some where in my cubicle.
-Also we are looking into using the BDP as a platform for controlling your devices. This is somethin that has been worked on periodically over the last year. In fact if you connect a BDP-1 or 2 (top port) to a B100/B135 via a male to female serial cable (straight), then turn your BDP on and enter the following address (http://bryston-bdp-1.local/dashcode/br2) it will take you to a page that looks like a br2 remote and you can control the BDP and b100/b135 from it.
Well my hour on the tread mill is up
Cheers,
Chris
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-Also we are looking into using the BDP as a platform for controlling your devices. This is somethin that has been worked on periodically over the last year. In fact if you connect a BDP-1 or 2 (top port) to a B100/B135 via a male to female serial cable (straight), then turn your BDP on and enter the following address (http://bryston-bdp-1.local/dashcode/br2) it will take you to a page that looks like a br2 remote and you can control the BDP and b100/b135 from it.
I really happy to read that you're doing this. I don't like that you need to have the br2 remote to configure amps.
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-Also we are looking into using the BDP as a platform for controlling your devices. This is somethin that has been worked on periodically over the last year. In fact if you connect a BDP-1 or 2 (top port) to a B100/B135 via a male to female serial cable (straight), then turn your BDP on and enter the following address (http://bryston-bdp-1.local/dashcode/br2) it will take you to a page that looks like a br2 remote and you can control the BDP and b100/b135 from it.
I really happy to read that you're doing this. I don't like that you need to have the br2 remote to configure amps.
Your not alone Ron
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-Also we are looking into using the BDP as a platform for controlling your devices. This is somethin that has been worked on periodically over the last year. In fact if you connect a BDP-1 or 2 (top port) to a B100/B135 via a male to female serial cable (straight), then turn your BDP on and enter the following address (http://bryston-bdp-1.local/dashcode/br2) it will take you to a page that looks like a br2 remote and you can control the BDP and b100/b135 from it.
Hi Chris
Will it possible to turn on BDP-1 from network (wake-on-lan)? Otherwise you still need remote to turn the player on...In the same manner, it should be possible to issue shut down command
Considering ergonomics, I believe will be very customer friendly to develop iOS/Android app that will take care of this + control of the mpd
Cheers
Titi
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77397)
The BOT-1 in my home setup
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77399)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77400)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77401)
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Hi Chris
Will it possible to turn on BDP-1 from network (wake-on-lan)? Otherwise you still need remote to turn the player on...In the same manner, it should be possible to issue shut down command
Considering ergonomics, I believe will be very customer friendly to develop iOS/Android app that will take care of this + control of the mpd
Cheers
Titi
If we go here and its likely we will, the BDP should be treated more like a home automation system (ie crestrol pro2) that is always left on. In the end we want the customer to be able to control anything that can be controlled via IR, RS232 or TCP/IP, not just bryston equipment but also third party items. I mean its not like Bryston makes a TV.......... yet :wink:
We really have no plan on building a TV at all, but it would be nice to control one from the same smart phone that you are controlling the rest of your gear without exiting applications.
As someone who'a briefly had some hands on with programming a Crestron system we fully intend on making our system massively easier to setup.
Cheers,
Chris
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Chris,
Glad to hear that the BOT-1 won't be locked into the BDP for control purposes, as my DFP is a "third party player", an Auraliti. I'm using MPad to control the Auraliti as the player has no physical control buttons other than the singular "On / Off" button on the front of the unit.
I am nonetheless appreciative that Bryston is being gracious enough to bring a component to the market that will be compatable the "other" company's Digital File Player
I have been dragging my feet about looking into what it would entail to set-up some sort of NAS, although I have no real complaints using (& moving as needed) portable drives. A half or terabyte of music at time works just fine for my listening sessions.
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-Also we are looking into using the BDP as a platform for controlling your devices. This is somethin that has been worked on periodically over the last year. In fact if you connect a BDP-1 or 2 (top port) to a B100/B135 via a male to female serial cable (straight), then turn your BDP on and enter the following address (http://bryston-bdp-1.local/dashcode/br2) it will take you to a page that looks like a br2 remote and you can control the BDP and b100/b135 from it.
Well my hour on the tread mill is up
Cheers,
Chris
Hi Chris,
Is there any chance of hooking up the bp26 to this? Love the look of it, and would love the remote functionality even better....
Marius
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The BOT-1 in my home setup
Hi Chris, I see you have learnt from James to take your work home, it must be a tough life :lol:
A couple of questions, I take it from the BOT display showing adele that it is playing the CD, but it looks like a BDP1 underneath, I thought the BDP1 could only play from memory? Also the display looks very blue compared with the BDP, which on the blue LED option is still quite aqua, I know it is aesthetics, but do you think the displays on the BOT will match the BDP/SP3?
Cheers
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It's Chris' fault! :icon_twisted:
Well . . . not entirely Chris' fault. It's James' fault as well. And it's all your fault, too. So there.
I've been considering an SP3, which should play nicely with my 6B-SST(C) and my two 4B-SST(C) amps. Bryston's James and Stan were very helpful in answering my queries, making my decision an easy one.
Then I looked at the AudioCircle threads on the BDP-2 and the BDA-2 . . .
The astute and helpful forum posts from the gents above and from AudioCircle members got me thinking . . . always dangerous. So a couple of weeks ago, I ordered the SP3, BDP-2, and BDA-2.
But you guys have more to answer for. Now, I'm planning to order the BOT-1. Your fault. Chris, did you really have to stay up until the wee hours to get it cooking? Or was that Unincognito's evil doppelgänger?
Stop the madness, guys! Be less helpful.
Cheerio, and thanks again,
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
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Hi Chris,
Is there any chance of hooking up the bp26 to this? Love the look of it, and would love the remote functionality even better....
Marius
Hi Marius,
Your in luck, currently our main focus is addin the IR component to the software and creatin the IR adapter to make this a reality. Unfortunately that's on hold while we concentrate on the BOT, but it is in my radar.
Cheers
Chris
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wait a minute... rereading this confuses me. The Bp26 is ir-enabled and uses the BR2... no need for that :scratch: :scratch: I meant enabling the Web app interface of course. to be able to control it with the iPad/iphone etc.
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Thanx to you!
Marius
Hi Marius,
Your in luck, currently our main focus is addin the IR component to the software and creatin the IR adapter to make this a reality. Unfortunately that's on hold while we concentrate on the BOT, but it is in my radar.
Cheers
Chris
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Hi Chris,
great read!
I see your experimenting with Plex, which is a wonderful piece of software. Ive tried a lot of those fileservers, Plex ended up as the most intuitive and succesful one. As a matter of fact, Ive got the Plex server on my Nas indexing my music library as we speak. I guess we don't need a Plex server to run on the BDP's, but do need the MAx-client to be able to read those separately running servers.
is the dlna setting on the BDp1 ready for that? It won't find my Plexserver automatically yet.
Thanks,
Marius
Sorry abou that Marius, I was having a stressful weekend and you really didn't deserve it. BAM-1? Other the. Playing and ripping cd's we still arn't entirely sure what else the bot will do. I will mention what I am playing with:
-abcde open source cd ripper wih integrated cd-db.org or tag data
-I still havn't settled on a piece of software for ripping audio out of DVD's but I'm leaning towards vobcopy and cli version of handbreak to encode a copy of surround sound audio into two channel. This would allow customers to store both stereo and multichannel audio from Dvd's. with the BDP-2's upnp server feature it could host the video for upnp enabled devices.
-for blurays I'm looking at makemkv, however it's been nearly a year since I hav used this program and I'm still not entirely sure about its license agreement.
-I have also started integrating plex server into early builds of manic moose (version S2.XX) of the firmware that will be released for both the BDP's later this year. I don't think plex will run on a BDP-1 so I am also looking for a light upnp server it could handle. For the BDP-1 I'm leaning towards the same thing that he wd live drives use, can't remember it's name but it was open source and I wrote it down some where in my cubicle.
-Also we are looking into using the BDP as a platform for controlling your devices. This is somethin that has been worked on periodically over the last year. In fact if you connect a BDP-1 or 2 (top port) to a B100/B135 via a male to female serial cable (straight), then turn your BDP on and enter the following address (http://bryston-bdp-1.local/dashcode/br2) it will take you to a page that looks like a br2 remote and you can control the BDP and b100/b135 from it.
Well my hour on the tread mill is up
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi Chris, I see you have learnt from James to take your work home, it must be a tough life :lol:
A couple of questions, I take it from the BOT display showing adele that it is playing the CD, but it looks like a BDP1 underneath, I thought the BDP1 could only play from memory? Also the display looks very blue compared with the BDP, which on the blue LED option is still quite aqua, I know it is aesthetics, but do you think the displays on the BOT will match the BDP/SP3?
Cheers
That's not actually a BDP-1, it's the first BDP-2 prototype using a dress panel that was destined for some ones BDP-1 17" black with green filter. It's also housed in the only surviving aluminum chassis.
Cheers
Chris
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Hi Chris,
great read!
I see your experimenting with Plex, which is a wonderful piece of software. Ive tried a lot of those fileservers, Plex ended up as the most intuitive and succesful one. As a matter of fact, Ive got the Plex server on my Nas indexing my music library as we speak. I guess we don't need a Plex server to run on the BDP's, but do need the MAx-client to be able to read those separately running servers.
is the dlna setting on the BDp1 ready for that? It won't find my Plexserver automatically yet.
Thanks,
Marius
DLNA is something we are still playing with, we still prefer using USB drives or samba over this service. However we would still like to make the option available at some point in time for those that want it. I am looking into plex for a few reasons, the BDP-2 has the power to handle he transcoding, the BDP-2 has the option for internal storage and finally the BOT-1 allows the BDP's to expand greatly on there storage while maintaining a Bryston look. The BDP-2 we are advertising as a player/server and adding plex would allow us to check off many items in our todo list.
Back to the show
Cheers
Chris
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi Chris,
Ever since you started developing the bdp1 James repeatedly stated Bryston stripped as much 'computer' as possible, to reduce related issues and optimize
Performance.
Because of that, we, I, started investing in external storage systems, using most if the universal connection techniques available, using it with all our other media
machines in and out the house, and hooking the Bdp into that system. That way we can have both worlds in 1 house-wide-system.
Apparently you've chosen a new philosophy towards the Bdp2. We can't blame Bryston for listening to the demands of their customers .... But please don't start making the Bdp being a computer again? Make it read central storage? Please do! Make it be the centre of our network storage? I think I'd say please don't... For all your original reasons not to.
Enjoy the Show ( o and throw in some pictures!)
Cheers Marius
DLNA is something we are still playing with, we still prefer using USB drives or samba over this service. However we would still like to make the option available at some point in time for those that want it. I am looking into plex for a few reasons, the BDP-2 has the power to handle he transcoding, the BDP-2 has the option for internal storage and finally the BOT-1 allows the BDP's to expand greatly on there storage while maintaining a Bryston look. The BDP-2 we are advertising as a player/server and adding plex would allow us to check off many items in our todo list.
Back to the show
Cheers
Chris
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi Chris,
Ever since you started developing the bdp1 James repeatedly stated Bryston stripped as much 'computer' as possible, to reduce related issues and optimize
Performance.
Because of that, we, I, started investing in external storage systems, using most if the universal connection techniques available, using it with all our other media
machines in and out the house, and hooking the Bdp into that system. That way we can have both worlds in 1 house-wide-system.
Apparently you've chosen a new philosophy towards the Bdp2. We can't blame Bryston for listening to the demands of their customers .... But please don't start making the Bdp being a computer again? Make it read central storage? Please do! Make it be the centre of our network storage? I think I'd say please don't... For all your original reasons not to.
Enjoy the Show ( o and throw in some pictures!)
Cheers Marius
Hi Marius,
I have been taking some pictures, I'll try to remember them when I get back to my room. The BDP's will be first and foremost a player, anything a speak about will be an option that needs to be turned on and disabled by default. Much like the existing beta implementations of the DLNA server option on the BDP-2.
Cheers,
Chris
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So in all these wonderful plans, what are the options for owners of BDP & BDA 1? :|
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So in all these wonderful plans, what are the options for owners of BDP & BDA 1? :|
Any new features that will perform in a manner that is acceptable will be made available to the BDP-1.
Cheers,
Chris
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Thank you Chris. Early supporters feel they are the ones missing on this...
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what is the transport? Is it the unit that's saved for the CD-1,s future repairs. Hope not :nono:
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what type of cd drive is it and who is the manufacturer?
Its a DVD bluray drive and custom
So it's obviously not the CD-only drive from the BCD-1.
Steve
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James tell me it isn't. :lol:
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Thanks , that's comforting . :thumb:
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I'm looking forward to the moment when $ony updates again the bluray "standard" and you need a firmware "update" or else.
Lesson learned: anything that's using some kind of DRM "technology" should be treated as disposable and bought only at disposable prices.
Say James, what's the price? $99 regular and $69 when on sale?
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what is the transport? Is it the unit that's saved for the CD-1,s future repairs. Hope not :nono:
It's a DVD drive we have sourced.
James
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Have the BOT at home this week after the Montreal showing and still have some work to do on the integration with the BDP2 but so far I am happy with the sound quality.
James
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Thanks James.... :D
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Halloo, James, Chris, and Bryston fans:
I'm quite excited about the BOT and have some questions:
1. I have a 500gb Samsung SSD to install in my BDP-2; will the BOT be able to rip to this drive in the BDP-2?
2. You mentioned that the BOT will accommodate two internal drives; will it have cabling ready to go like the BDP-2 (two SSDs! Yummy!).
3. In which format(s) will the BOT rip CDs? AIFF, for one, please?
4. Will the BR-2 remote provide full functions, including track skip and track search (at least on the disc if not the stored file)?
Thanks for pursuing this project.
Rich
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The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
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Halloo, James, Chris, and Bryston fans:
I'm quite excited about the BOT and have some questions:
1. I have a 500gb Samsung SSD to install in my BDP-2; will the BOT be able to rip to this drive in the BDP-2?
2. You mentioned that the BOT will accommodate two internal drives; will it have cabling ready to go like the BDP-2 (two SSDs! Yummy!).
3. In which format(s) will the BOT rip CDs? AIFF, for one, please?
4. Will the BR-2 remote provide full functions, including track skip and track search (at least on the disc if not the stored file)?
Thanks for pursuing this project.
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Hi Rich,
We are still accessing the feasability of this product so it may be a while before I can be specfic about the features.
james
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Got it. Thanks, James:
One more consideration, as you develop the BOT-1: Will it handle gapless playback? In other words, will storing a CD with no gaps between tracks (e.g., Sgt. Pepper's and numerous classical CDs, such as final movements in Beethoven symphonies 9 and 5) into the BOT's or BDP's memory result in a gap between tracks?
Again, I appreciate your thought and care in developing this product and sincerely hope it will see daylight. I have the last remaining space in my cabinet reserved for it.
Cheerio,
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Whiney Napa Valley
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Got it. Thanks, James:
One more consideration, as you develop the BOT-1: Will it handle gapless playback? In other words, will storing a CD with no gaps between tracks (e.g., Sgt. Pepper's and numerous classical CDs, such as final movements in Beethoven symphonies 9 and 5) into the BOT's or BDP's memory result in a gap between tracks?
Again, I appreciate your thought and care in developing this product and sincerely hope it will see daylight. I have the last remaining space in my cabinet reserved for it.
Cheerio,
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We havn't noticed any gaps during playback unless you use the next or previous track buttons, causing the the to restart buffering.
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks, Chris. This is very good news.
Cheerio,
Rich
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Hi,
Am I correct if I said that to use the BOT, I will have to buy a BDP-2 and a BDA-1 or BDA-2. :scratch:
If it's correct, why can't the BOT go directly in a BDA-1 or any other dac.
Thanks
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Hi,
Am I correct if I said that to use the BOT, I will have to buy a BDP-2 and a BDA-1 or BDA-2. :scratch:
If it's correct, why can't the BOT go directly in a BDA-1 or any other dac.
Thanks
Hi
Different software would have to be written for the unit it is connected too.
James
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Hi
Different software would have to be written for the unit it is connected too.
James
Hi
So if I buy a BOT, do a BDP-2 alone will be ok or do I need to buy a DAC also.
Thanks.
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In the BOTs current configuration you would need all three. The BDP-2 reads the CD from the BOT and outputs a digital signal. If you already have a dac then you would only need the BOT and the BDP.
Cheers
Chris
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To bad the Bot didn't have a TD insert where you could also record the cd on the TD.
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You could plug a thumb drive Into a BDP and the BDP could record the cd to the thumb drive with the BOT.
Cheers
Chris
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great there was a way to do it.
Chris, is Bryston thinking June for the Bot's release.
I have to watch a bit as did the BDA-2 and 3.7's this month,frig it bring it on :lol:.
thx Chris.
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This summer isn't likely, there is no eta, just an early prototype to get feedback.
Cheers
Chris
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So Chris,is the feedback good enough that the Bot will become a reality.
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99% chance it will become a reality, just today James and I where discusing the steps still needed to be taken and who would be available to Finnish the hardware portion of the project. the other thing is rather then integrate the software into loony loon(S1.XX), we'd rather simply integrate the software into manic moose (S2.XX) our next major firmware release.
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Further progress on the BOT-1, Chris?
Of course, you could skip the Manic Moose firmware and go right to Nattering Nabobs. :wink:
Cheerio,
Rich
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Toasty Napa Valley
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Hi Rich,
After further feedback the project is under redesign again, mainly to lower the cost of the final product. We will take the name under advisement; but we are trying to keep a trend of Canadian wild life going.
Cheers,
Chris
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OK, Chris: Nasty Newt?
There are species native to Canada.
Rich
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Toasty Napa Valley
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Chris, James, how extensive is the BOT-1 redesign (a secret partnership with Molson)? This brings a new meaning to feature-rich:
http://gizmodo.com/how-a-fridge-full-of-beer-that-only-unlocks-for-canadia-596858353
Passport required?
Rich
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As I mentioned earlier in the year there is all lot in the works at Bryston right now.
Cheers,
Chris
Awesome. I'm looking forward to seeing the new stuff.
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Hi Rich,
After further feedback the project is under redesign again, mainly to lower the cost of the final product. We will take the name under advisement; but we are trying to keep a trend of Canadian wild life going.
Cheers,
Chris
Chris,
Do yo have any update as to when the BOT1 will be available?
I'm looking forward to add it to my DBP-2
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Hello!
I am relatively new to high end and especially Bryston but I must say I am utterly surprised by the quality and service that Bryston provides.
One question that no one asked about the BOT-1 is the sound. I would be interested to hear how the sound reproduced through the BOT-1 -> BDA-2 -> BDA-2 (or BDA-1) compares to the sound when the BCD-1 used as a transport instead of the BOT-1 and BDP-2 combination.
Because 1500$ which will more likely resemble 1500 Euro in Europe is enough for a Cyrus CDXT dedicated CD transport.
One other thing, since the BOT-1 is based on a computer Blu-Ray drive, will it be capable of playing HRx discs (24bit 192kHz WAV files burned to a DVD-R, often used by some music labels)?
If I understood everyting correctly, then the BOT-1 should be something of a memory player that reads an entire disc and stores it into the memory of the BDP-2 player. The BDA-2 can then use this memory as necessary and playback directily from it with no noise and no mistiming errors. Am I correct?
I must also say that I was pretty disappointed when BCD-1 was discontinued. Of course, at that time I was not prepared to invest in anything better than what I already had and by the time I was, it was gone and it made me sad. I heard it one occasion and I was really taken aback so I am very happy that Bryston decided to go all out with a new optical player and a transports at that!
Thanks chaps and all the best from Croatia!
Antun
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Hi fellas!
Are there any news with respect to BOT-1?
I read this entire thread and the last word from Chris was that now it was time to find someone to finish the hardware.
The reason I am asking is because I would like to purchase the BDP player. Now, I really don't need the more advanced features and connectivity of the BDP-2 so I would prefer the BDP-1 for it's simplicity. However, if the BOT-1 is something realistic and something we might see in a store soon, then I would purchase the BDP-2 instead because I really do need an optical transport. I don't like ripping music as I like physical media and at least it has proven itself as a realiable storage media.
So, any input would be appreciated!
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi fellas!
Are there any news with respect to BOT-1?
I read this entire thread and the last word from Chris was that now it was time to find someone to finish the hardware.
The reason I am asking is because I would like to purchase the BDP player. Now, I really don't need the more advanced features and connectivity of the BDP-2 so I would prefer the BDP-1 for it's simplicity. However, if the BOT-1 is something realistic and something we might see in a store soon, then I would purchase the BDP-2 instead because I really do need an optical transport. I don't like ripping music as I like physical media and at least it has proven itself as a realiable storage media.
So, any input would be appreciated!
Cheers!
Antun
Hi Antun
I hope to show the finished version at the Toronto Audio Show in November.
James
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Morning James. I just may attend a day or two at this show in November. Will you be teaming up again with Ian and the Axiom group as you did in Montreal? Toronto is such a great place. Love to hear your array Vs. Axiom's new M100 and LFR 1100's.
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Hi Antun
I hope to show the finished version at the Toronto Audio Show in November.
James
Hi James!
Excellent! So it's a definitive go for the BOT-1?
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Hi James!
Excellent! So it's a definitive go for the BOT-1?
Yes baring the unforeseen
James
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Yes baring the unforeseen
James
That's exciting news!
The day it becomes available will be the day when all my other transports will go to their well deserved retirement. I shall not be needing anything else.
Cheers!
Antun
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James,
Great news that the BOT-1 is going into production. :D
Do you have any idea as to the time frame for supply to the UK.
Will it be available with switchable led colour like the BDP-2?
Cheers,
K
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Hi James, now that the BOT is getting close to final design and seeing the light of day. Are you going to be able to share with us soon capabilities (plus roadmap ambitions..) with both the BDP1 and BDP2?
Cheers
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Hi James, now that the BOT is getting close to final design and seeing the light of day. Are you going to be able to share with us soon capabilities (plus roadmap ambitions..) with both the BDP1 and BDP2?
Cheers
Hi Alpha
Sorry how do you mean 'roadmap' - we are not planning any changes on the two models other than software of course.
james
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Hi Alpha
Sorry how do you mean 'roadmap' - we are not planning any changes on the two models other than software of course.
james
Hi James, I meant roadmap for the BOT. You and Chris had hinted that there would be more to come, evolutions. There was also some discussion around the different capabilites being available depending on whether you had either a bdp1 or a bdp2. I was just trying to find out what functionality the BOT is bringing us.
Cheers
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Hi James, I meant roadmap for the BOT. You and Chris had hinted that there would be more to come, evolutions. There was also some discussion around the different capabilites being available depending on whether you had either a bdp1 or a bdp2. I was just trying to find out what functionality the BOT is bringing us.
Cheers
Oh sorry misread that Alpha - the idea with the BOT is just a dedicated drive that would connect to the esata connection on the BDP-2 and allow you to listen to a CD through the memory of the BDP-2 or rip the CD to an attached drive or NAS connected to the BDP-2.
james
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Hi James!
Is there any particular reason why eSata was chosen instead of USB? The eSata basically has Sata read/write speeds so it should be faster than USB but even so, the USB would have been quite enough. Are there other reasons for using eSata?
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi James!
Is there any particular reason why eSata was chosen instead of USB? The eSata basically has Sata read/write speeds so it should be faster than USB but even so, the USB would have been quite enough. Are there other reasons for using eSata?
Cheers!
Antun
There are but I will let Chris answer that one.
james
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Oh sorry misread that Alpha - the idea with the BOT is just a dedicated drive that would connect to the esata connection on the BDP-2 and allow you to listen to a CD through the memory of the BDP-2 or rip the CD to an attached drive or NAS connected to the BDP-2.
james
I take it there is no support for the BDP-1 then, from the above?
Cheers
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I take it there is no support for the BDP-1 then, from the above?
Cheers
HI
I know Chris is still looking at that but I think the lack of processing power is the issue if you want to add the BOT.
james
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There are but I will let Chris answer that one.
james
I would appreciate that, thank you!
Cheers!
Antun
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HI
I know Chris is still looking at that but I think the lack of processing power is the issue if you want to add the BOT.
james
Damn, I thought that might be the case. I bought too early, never mind.
Cheers
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James/Chris,
I have an SSD drive connected to the internal sata cable; can I still connect the BOT-1 to the external e-sata?
Have you done any testing with SHM-CD's with the BOT-1, if so, have you noticed if the SQ increase is evident in the ripped file as played by the BDP-2?
I ask as there are a couple of CD's I intend to purchase that have a SHM version to be released, and It would be helpful to know if I should wait for the upgrade version.
Thanks,
K
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Damn, I thought that might be the case. I bought too early, never mind.
Cheers
Sounds like time to come over to the BDP-2 Alpha :wink:
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Sounds like time to come over to the BDP-2 Alpha :wink:
To be honest, I think I will be waiting to see what happens next. Given the UK pricing of the BDP2 and that it has the same sound card, so no real gain for me. I will just carry on ripping on my PC. I would have bought a BOT1 if it worked with my bdp1.
Roll on the BDP3 ( all in one player and ripper with even better sound card and a drive enclosure ) :P :P
Cheers
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James, what's the update on BOT-1? The last thing I read is that you were looking for someone to finish the hardware.
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James, what's the update on BOT-1? The last thing I read is that you were looking for someone to finish the hardware.
Yes Chris is still working on it but has been spending all his time on the new Manic Moose software for the BDP-2.
jamesd
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Thanks James!
But I never really got a reply to my question regarding the eSATA connection and why it was chosen over USB. Was it necessary to do that because the BD drive is inherently eSATA or because of some other reason?
Also, would it be prudent to say that discs played directly will sound equally good as BOT-1 -ripped versions? Would the BDP be able to do all the error-correction on-the-fly?
I guess what I am asking is this - would the BDP / BOT combination work as something of a "memory player" where the disc is read much faster than normal read speed, loaded into memory onboard and then read from that memory?
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Thanks James!
But I never really got a reply to my question regarding the eSATA connection and why it was chosen over USB. Was it necessary to do that because the BD drive is inherently eSATA or because of some other reason?
Also, would it be prudent to say that discs played directly will sound equally good as BOT-1 -ripped versions? Would the BDP be able to do all the error-correction on-the-fly?
I guess what I am asking is this - would the BDP / BOT combination work as something of a "memory player" where the disc is read much faster than normal read speed, loaded into memory onboard and then read from that memory?
I will ask Chris.
james
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Thanks James!
But I never really got a reply to my question regarding the eSATA connection and why it was chosen over USB. Was it necessary to do that because the BD drive is inherently eSATA or because of some other reason?
Also, would it be prudent to say that discs played directly will sound equally good as BOT-1 -ripped versions? Would the BDP be able to do all the error-correction on-the-fly?
I guess what I am asking is this - would the BDP / BOT combination work as something of a "memory player" where the disc is read much faster than normal read speed, loaded into memory onboard and then read from that memory?
Hi
We are trying to keep the first generation of the product as simple as possible and using esata is the best way of doing this. The playback and ripping features should sonically be identical, the difference being rather then being ripped to system memory (playback) vs ripped to a drive for permanent storage. The CD isn't actually read on the fly but gets ripped into system memory and then played back from there. The down side is you can't just start playing say the third track right away, but you can start playing the songs as they are ripped to memory. The end result should be lower jitter then a traditional cd player, plus the benefits of the BDP. We are currently looking in open source projects like cdparanoia and the various options that these projects provide for error correction.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi
We are trying to keep the first generation of the product as simple as possible and using esata is the best way of doing this. The playback and ripping features should sonically be identical, the difference being rather then being ripped to system memory (playback) vs ripped to a drive for permanent storage. The CD isn't actually read on the fly but gets ripped into system memory and then played back from there. The down side is you can't just start playing say the third track right away, but you can start playing the songs as they are ripped to memory. The end result should be lower jitter then a traditional cd player, plus the benefits of the BDP. We are currently looking in open source projects like cdparanoia and the various options that these projects provide for error correction.
Cheers,
Chris
Excellent information!
But tell me, a computer drive reading discs at full speed of 48x the normal speed would be quite noisy, correct?
Also, is the amount of available memory in the BDP enough to store an entire CD?
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fair enough, but it only takes a few minutes to read in the contents; onces the disc has been read in then there is no noise as the drive will spin down to regular speed and eventually stop all together a few minutes later. Its another pro/con to our idea and what we wish to do, sure its going to make more noise then a standard cd player at first, but within minutes its going to make less noise then a standard cd player. A BDP-2 contains 2048MB of system memory, the firmware as it stands only needs as much as 200MB to function leaving 1848MB available for temporary storage such as the contents of an audio cd. An audio cd which can only contain 700MB worth of data, well below out 1800+MB limit of the existing hardware configuration.
Cheers,
Chris
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fair enough, but it only takes a few minutes to read in the contents; onces the disc has been read in then there is no noise as the drive will spin down to regular speed and eventually stop all together a few minutes later. Its another pro/con to our idea and what we wish to do, sure its going to make more noise then a standard cd player at first, but within minutes its going to make less noise then a standard cd player. A BDP-2 contains 2048MB of system memory, the firmware as it stands only needs as much as 200MB to function leaving 1848MB available for temporary storage such as the contents of an audio cd. An audio cd which can only contain 700MB worth of data, well below out 1800+MB limit of the existing hardware configuration.
Cheers,
Chris
Thank you for your time Chris!
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi Chris and James!
I do have one suggestion for the future BOT-1 unit. Perhaps it would be possible to have a slot on the back panel for an HDD. This is usually found on cheaper NAS solutions like the ones from D-Link. You simply open the cover and slide the HDD along the guiding rails with the SATA connector facing towards the unit until the HDD clicks into place. You could then have a cover with two screws. This could also be implemented into your BDP series I think and it would eliminate the need for the removal of top cover to access the HDD.
Cheers!
Antun
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Hello All,
I am looking at purchasing the BDP2 and BDA 2 combo in the next couple of months. I then get word of the BOT 1. I am curious if the BOT-1 will rip SACD , Bluray Audio and DVD-A audio, either right away or in the furture...otherwise I'll have to keep my Oppo
BDP-105...Just askin..... :) Pete
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FYI, rumour has it that Weiss MAN301 will be able to rip SACD.
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Question perhaps already asked but here it is: can I use the BOT1 as a transport for CDs connected to the BDA1? Thank you.
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Question perhaps already asked but here it is: can I use the BOT1 as a transport for CDs connected to the BDA1? Thank you.
correction
If there is a BDP-2 in between the two, then yes
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If there is a BDP in between the two, then yes
Even a BDP1? Thank you.
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Even a BDP1? Thank you.
Aooarently not. The BOT-1 will have an eSATA connection and will connect to the BDP-2 that way. The BDP-1 does not have this connection and so the BOT-1 will not be able to work with it.
I asked Chris why that was and he replied their intention was to keep the device as simple as possible and one way to do is was to use eSATA interface which is native to the optical drive used in the BOT-1.
Cheers!
Antun
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Aooarently not. The BOT-1 will have an eSATA connection and will connect to the BDP-2 that way. The BDP-1 does not have this connection and so the BOT-1 will not be able to work with it.
I asked Chris why that was and he replied their intention was to keep the device as simple as possible and one way to do is was to use eSATA interface which is native to the optical drive used in the BOT-1.
Cheers!
Antun
Thank you for the info... :evil:
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Been pretty quiet on this thread for a while.... Any updates on where you are at with the BOT-1 and a possible release date. I want one!!!!!!!!
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Been pretty quiet on this thread for a while.... Any updates on where you are at with the BOT-1 and a possible release date. I want one!!!!!!!!
Hi
On hold till the new BDP software is ready for prime time.
james
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HumBug...... lol
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Hi
On hold till the new BDP software is ready for prime time.
james
Hi James!
I thought the Manic Moose firmware supported BOT-1. When is the new firmware due to be released?
Also, can we expect the BOT-1 to be capable of more than playing and ripping CDs? Would it be possible to listen to and rip DVDs burned with high resolution WAV like the ones from Reference recordings? For me that would be the ultimate "expression" of the BOT-1 - a dedicated high quality disc player and ripper.
In one of your earlier posts, you mentioned the retail price would be somewhere around 1300 dollars. Is it still the margin you're aiming at?
What about the guarantee? Will you be able to apply a 5-year guarantee on BOT-1 as well?
I suspect BOT-1 will be a rare product because of it's specific application. But I take it will be available in Europe as well, right?
One final thing. Chris mentioned that once the disc is loaded into BOT-1, it will immediately start reading it and buffering it into the BDP-2 during which you won't be able to use any of the controls - such as skip to the next song. Some of us still record CDs the old analogue way and I can see how this could be a problem for some. More of an annoyance than a problem really but perhaps it would be possible to allow for user how the disc will be buffered - all-at-once or play-from-disc. BOT-1 has most likely been designed from the start to buffer the data into the BDP-2 like computers do but I think play-from-disc should be possible.
This is probably a lame analogy but portable CD players with anti-shock buffer allow for skipping to the next track even while the data is being buffered. Once you press skip, it stops buffering and accepts the command. It then starts to buffer the song you are listening too. The memory in CD players was small though, a few Megabytes. Minidisc machines used the same system.
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi James!
I thought the Manic Moose firmware supported BOT-1. When is the new firmware due to be released?
Also, can we expect the BOT-1 to be capable of more than playing and ripping CDs? Would it be possible to listen to and rip DVDs burned with high resolution WAV like the ones from Reference recordings? For me that would be the ultimate "expression" of the BOT-1 - a dedicated high quality disc player and ripper.
In one of your earlier posts, you mentioned the retail price would be somewhere around 1300 dollars. Is it still the margin you're aiming at?
What about the guarantee? Will you be able to apply a 5-year guarantee on BOT-1 as well?
I suspect BOT-1 will be a rare product because of it's specific application. But I take it will be available in Europe as well, right?
One final thing. Chris mentioned that once the disc is loaded into BOT-1, it will immediately start reading it and buffering it into the BDP-2 during which you won't be able to use any of the controls - such as skip to the next song. Some of us still record CDs the old analogue way and I can see how this could be a problem for some. More of an annoyance than a problem really but perhaps it would be possible to allow for user how the disc will be buffered - all-at-once or play-from-disc. BOT-1 has most likely been designed from the start to buffer the data into the BDP-2 like computers do but I think play-from-disc should be possible.
This is probably a lame analogy but portable CD players with anti-shock buffer allow for skipping to the next track even while the data is being buffered. Once you press skip, it stops buffering and accepts the command. It then starts to buffer the song you are listening too. The memory in CD players was small though, a few Megabytes. Minidisc machines used the same system.
Cheers!
Antun
Hi Antun,
OUr initial version of the BOT-1 that we have planned will be BDP-2 only compatible, but should be south of a thousand dollars; infact it should cost roughly the same as a BUC-1. Manic Moose is being developed from the start with the expectation of the additional features that we have toyed with in Loony Loon (the current stable firmware) and should integrate with fewer issues.
Initially the BOT-1 will do cd's, but with help of end users we have to add additional support for as many types of media as possible. Due to keeping cost down and unable to find a sata drive that will read SACD we likely won't support the format. With that said, audio from DVD's and other formats should be possible as there are many open source programs to take advantage of ripping audio from these forms of media.
Buffering the audio cd into system memory allows us to remove any jitter caused by playing back directly from the optical drive and thus allowing us to use off the shelf hardware for the drive and thus bringing the final cost down. We did come to the same conclusion that the 60-120 seconds would be annoying, however the sonic results and additional benefits; one of which was pointed out to me during a demo, that being able to go straight from say track 2 to track 9 without pushing the next track button seven times. Also not the focus of the BOT-1.
The BOT-1 will be a unique product for sure and is mainly to introduce end users that aren't comfortable with digital audio into using a BDP to store there digital library. The idea is with a BDP-2 and a BOT-1 you'll have a "traditional" cd player like system and slowly become acquainted with the additional features and hopefully eventually use the BDP as a BDP along with as a method for ripping there music library to a hard drive.
Finally the warranty will likely be the same as the BCD-1 which I believe was three year warranty, and will be available where ever the BDP-2 is sold.
I hope this clears things up
Cheers,
Chris
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Chris,
3 years warranty was on moving parts, 5 years for digital circuits and 20 years for analog circuits.
correct?
al.
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Chris,
3 years warranty was on moving parts, 5 years for digital circuits and 20 years for analog circuits.
correct?
al.
Hi Al,
I do believe you are correct and ten years on the speakers. Keep in mind the bot-1 will essentially be a drive inside one of our enclosures, all the magic takes place in a BDP. We are going this hours to try and keep cost down and customers options open.
Cheers
Chris
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Hi Antun,
OUr initial version of the BOT-1 that we have planned will be BDP-2 only compatible, but should be south of a thousand dollars; infact it should cost roughly the same as a BUC-1. Manic Moose is being developed from the start with the expectation of the additional features that we have toyed with in Loony Loon (the current stable firmware) and should integrate with fewer issues.
Initially the BOT-1 will do cd's, but with help of end users we have to add additional support for as many types of media as possible. Due to keeping cost down and unable to find a sata drive that will read SACD we likely won't support the format. With that said, audio from DVD's and other formats should be possible as there are many open source programs to take advantage of ripping audio from these forms of media.
Buffering the audio cd into system memory allows us to remove any jitter caused by playing back directly from the optical drive and thus allowing us to use off the shelf hardware for the drive and thus bringing the final cost down. We did come to the same conclusion that the 60-120 seconds would be annoying, however the sonic results and additional benefits; one of which was pointed out to me during a demo, that being able to go straight from say track 2 to track 9 without pushing the next track button seven times. Also not the focus of the BOT-1.
The BOT-1 will be a unique product for sure and is mainly to introduce end users that aren't comfortable with digital audio into using a BDP to store there digital library. The idea is with a BDP-2 and a BOT-1 you'll have a "traditional" cd player like system and slowly become acquainted with the additional features and hopefully eventually use the BDP as a BDP along with as a method for ripping there music library to a hard drive.
Finally the warranty will likely be the same as the BCD-1 which I believe was three year warranty, and will be available where ever the BDP-2 is sold.
I hope this clears things up
Cheers,
Chris
It does indeed, thank you!
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi Chris!
I have a few more questions.
Is the BOT-1 going to be dependent on tge BDP-2 for power supply via eSATA interface or will it have it's own internal power supply?
Also, will it have it's own display and transport controls or will it be necessary to use the UI on the BDP-2? You mentioned cost cutting and I think it is justified in this case because the future of this project is not that forthcoming in the strictest sense so perhaps one of the ways to cut costs additionally would be to provide only minimalistic UI on the BOT-1 since it cannot be used with anything else but the BDP-2. A power button and an eject button along with LEDs indicating disc status is all you would need on a add-on machine like this.
I am interested to know however whether the eSATA interface on the BDP-2 will be able to accomodate a standard DVD/BR drive and provide power to it?
If I may ask, which drive was chosen for the BOT-1? I have had many and my best experiences were with Hitachi drives. Plextor drives previously manufactured by Sanyo were excellent for ripping but the results were not always superior and they came with a price. Pioneer drives, especially the slot-in loading types, were unreliable for some reason even though I think drops in performance while ripping were the result of firmware, not hardware. LG and Samsung drives seem to be popular now but some LG drives are known to have inversed channels while ripping and their speed performance is usually unremarkable. Several years ago I was very interested in this sort of a thing and so did many performance measurements in order to get perfect CD rips. Unfortunately, I had a misfortune of storing all the data digitally and that hard drive was destroyed by a lighting storm. Now, all of these obeservations were made a couple of years ago and so they might not be relevant today.
Cheers!
Antun
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One other thing, considering BDP-2 has only one eSATA connector, will the BOT-1 allow for connection of eSATA HDDs along with the connection to BDP-2?
For instance, connecting BOT-1 to BDP-2 will take the eSATA connector on BDP-2 and you won't be able to connect anything else. By offering an additonal eSATA connector on BOT-1 itself, you won't be limited to using BOT-1 only.
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi James & Chris
Love the idea of a quality ripping solution that interfaces with the final destination for the music. My only concern would be the tagging of those files. Outside sources often get things wrong particularly for the Classical genre.
It would be cool to have the option to manually tag the newly ripped CDs. So.... Once the files are ripped and your on Windows Explorer will the files be seen in the Artist / Album folder format? Can art files be added and used as they are now ( local art )? Can I manually change the Artist, Album, Genre, Date, etc.?
Thanks
Rich
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Hi Chris!
I have a few more questions.
Is the BOT-1 going to be dependent on tge BDP-2 for power supply via eSATA interface or will it have it's own internal power supply?
Also, will it have it's own display and transport controls or will it be necessary to use the UI on the BDP-2? You mentioned cost cutting and I think it is justified in this case because the future of this project is not that forthcoming in the strictest sense so perhaps one of the ways to cut costs additionally would be to provide only minimalistic UI on the BOT-1 since it cannot be used with anything else but the BDP-2. A power button and an eject button along with LEDs indicating disc status is all you would need on a add-on machine like this.
I am interested to know however whether the eSATA interface on the BDP-2 will be able to accomodate a standard DVD/BR drive and provide power to it?
If I may ask, which drive was chosen for the BOT-1? I have had many and my best experiences were with Hitachi drives. Plextor drives previously manufactured by Sanyo were excellent for ripping but the results were not always superior and they came with a price. Pioneer drives, especially the slot-in loading types, were unreliable for some reason even though I think drops in performance while ripping were the result of firmware, not hardware. LG and Samsung drives seem to be popular now but some LG drives are known to have inversed channels while ripping and their speed performance is usually unremarkable. Several years ago I was very interested in this sort of a thing and so did many performance measurements in order to get perfect CD rips. Unfortunately, I had a misfortune of storing all the data digitally and that hard drive was destroyed by a lighting storm. Now, all of these obeservations were made a couple of years ago and so they might not be relevant today.
Cheers!
Antun
Hi Antun,
Currently I am looking at drives from teac and Panasonic, the teac is only a DVD rom and the Panasonic is a blu-Ray burner. Teac seems to have a better rep then Panasonic, but I don't think there would be a performance difference. Both drives are priced equally and what I have read appears to indicate that the teac drive might be of better build quality.
The other thing to keep in mind is that we are using a standard slim slot loading drive, so there is no reason why you couldn't just swap the drive our with your own. Perhaps we might even sell a bot with out the drive on the basis you bring your own.
I am tempted to go with the blu-Ray drive, but I'm not sure about the licensing that would go with and if we would ever make use of blu-Ray. There are open source programs available that would let us rip the audio content from a blu-Ray disk, makemkv comes to mind.
We plan on launching a power supply to go with the BOT and for other products to come. The power supply will be needed if you intend on using the BOT with a BDP-1 and possibly the BDP-2 if it isn't capable of providing enough power.
Cheers
Chris
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One other thing, considering BDP-2 has only one eSATA connector, will the BOT-1 allow for connection of eSATA HDDs along with the connection to BDP-2?
For instance, connecting BOT-1 to BDP-2 will take the eSATA connector on BDP-2 and you won't be able to connect anything else. By offering an additonal eSATA connector on BOT-1 itself, you won't be limited to using BOT-1 only.
Cheers!
Antun
We tested easta vs USB 2.0 and found both performed identically, so to keep compatibility with the BDP-1 we went with USB. We would have done both, but couldn't find a chip that we could buy that supported both that wasn't end of life.
Cheers
Chris
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You will be able to rip your cd's as wav, flac or mp3 and we will likely offer additional formats based on customer feedback. Customers will be able to choose the location where the music is ripped and the file folder structure that will be generated. Similar to existing ripping software. You will be able to rip the content into multiple formats at once. If we can get the software to work we will include an iTunes media server package to host music for computers running iTunes. The idea with iTunes is you can choose to have a separate folder for iTunes and then the rest of your lossless library.
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You may want to add noise to your selection criteria. A noisy drive in the listening room could get annoying.
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Hi Chris!
in 2000 we did a big test of DVD drives and Pioneer and Plextor came on top in terms of ripping. They had a convincingly faster ripping times than the rest of the drives. Plextor was the more expensive unit, Pioneer was a slot-loader. Plextor was made by Sanyo even though later I read they went with Hitachi instead.
But please tell me, would the ripping engine work without the BDP being connected to a network? Would there be an additional menu for ripping settings in the BDP display or would I have to connect the BDP to the network and do it on a computer or a tablet?
One other thing you could possibly consider is what happens once a CD has been inserted. You could add a feature that automatically starts the ripping engine once a CD has been loaded. Likewise, you could allow for the user to decide what he wants once the CD has been loaded - start the ripping or start the playback. This would be handy I think.
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi Chris!
in 2000 we did a big test of DVD drives and Pioneer and Plextor came on top in terms of ripping. They had a convincingly faster ripping times than the rest of the drives. Plextor was the more expensive unit, Pioneer was a slot-loader. Plextor was made by Sanyo even though later I read they went with Hitachi instead.
But please tell me, would the ripping engine work without the BDP being connected to a network? Would there be an additional menu for ripping settings in the BDP display or would I have to connect the BDP to the network and do it on a computer or a tablet?
One other thing you could possibly consider is what happens once a CD has been inserted. You could add a feature that automatically starts the ripping engine once a CD has been loaded. Likewise, you could allow for the user to decide what he wants once the CD has been loaded - start the ripping or start the playback. This would be handy I think.
Cheers!
Antun
by default the BDP will ask if you want to play back the cd or to rip the contents. You will be able to rip without using the network or even an internet connection. You can setup the BDP in advance or if no settings have been provided it will use some default settings. No network connection would mean no internet which would mean no cd identification, i suspect most customers will want the BDP to be connected to there home network.
Cheers,
Chris
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You may want to add noise to your selection criteria. A noisy drive in the listening room could get annoying.
Noise really hasn't been an issue this far, i suppose its one of the benefits of using a slim line optical drive. Granted I havn't used a decibel meter and am simply going by ear.
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a metal enclosure probably helps too. I've got a cheap external usb with a slimline drive in it, but it's a little noisy in its plastic enclosure.
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by default the BDP will ask if you want to play back the cd or to rip the contents. You will be able to rip without using the network or even an internet connection. You can setup the BDP in advance or if no settings have been provided it will use some default settings. No network connection would mean no internet which would mean no cd identification, i suspect most customers will want the BDP to be connected to there home network.
Cheers,
Chris
That's great Chris, thank you!
With the BDP-1, how exactly will playback work? You mentioned the BOT-1 will read all the data up-front and it will be stored in the BDP memory. But, BDP-1 does not have enough memory to store an entire CD. What are your thoughts on this?
Cheers!
Antun
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That's great Chris, thank you!
With the BDP-1, how exactly will playback work? You mentioned the BOT-1 will read all the data up-front and it will be stored in the BDP memory. But, BDP-1 does not have enough memory to store an entire CD. What are your thoughts on this?
Cheers!
Antun
The BDP-2 will have two methods of audio cd playback, both of which have already been implemented in current and past firmware. The original method of ripping the entire cd as wav files (one for each track) in system memory and the second to use MPD's abaility to playback audio cd's. The BDP-1 will simply only use the MPD method of playing back cd's; MPD will rip the cd one track at a time, infact it appears to only rip a few seconds at a time. Although the whole cd isn't stored in system memory what is currently being played is, requiring less memory. With that said, what ever comes out form the BDP to your DAC will already be buffered in system memory from ALSA. The other benefit of the MPD method is the CD will be accessible from any MPD client (ie mPod, mPad, gmpc, etc) by way of a playlist that is created when ever a cd is inserted into the system; so if you prefer these other clients you can continue to use them.
Cheers,
Chris
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The BDP-2 will have two methods of audio cd playback, both of which have already been implemented in current and past firmware. The original method of ripping the entire cd as wav files (one for each track) in system memory and the second to use MPD's abaility to playback audio cd's. The BDP-1 will simply only use the MPD method of playing back cd's; MPD will rip the cd one track at a time, infact it appears to only rip a few seconds at a time. Although the whole cd isn't stored in system memory what is currently being played is, requiring less memory. With that said, what ever comes out form the BDP to your DAC will already be buffered in system memory from ALSA. The other benefit of the MPD method is the CD will be accessible from any MPD client (ie mPod, mPad, gmpc, etc) by way of a playlist that is created when ever a cd is inserted into the system; so if you prefer these other clients you can continue to use them.
Cheers,
Chris
Hi Chris!
That is one elegant way to keep compatibility with BDP-1! Thanks!
But please tell me, MPD is the application installed in the BDP-1 as part of it's Linux, right? I can see that every time my BDP-1 is turned on, it is "intalling MPD" so I guess that's it then.
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi Chris!
That is one elegant way to keep compatibility with BDP-1! Thanks!
But please tell me, MPD is the application installed in the BDP-1 as part of it's Linux, right? I can see that every time my BDP-1 is turned on, it is "intalling MPD" so I guess that's it then.
Cheers!
Antun
Correct, also because it's not trying to rip the entire cd at once it spins at a lower speed which means less audible noise. You can still hear it, but I have to put my ear right up to it. Even the second generation bot using the full size desktop optical drive is very quiet in it steel chassis.
Cheers
Chris
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Correct, also because it's not trying to rip the entire cd at once it spins at a lower speed which means less audible noise. You can still hear it, but I have to put my ear right up to it. Even the second generation bot using the full size desktop optical drive is very quiet in it steel chassis.
Cheers
Chris
That's great Chris!
I was a bit worried due to fast reading times the drive would be producing mechanical noise but it's good to know it doesn't spin the disc at maximum speed. It should also reduce the heat and prolong the drive's service life I think.
Is there a release date for the BOT-1 yet? It certainly looks like something I'd add to the BDP-1.
Cheers!
Antun
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That's great Chris!
I was a bit worried due to fast reading times the drive would be producing mechanical noise but it's good to know it doesn't spin the disc at maximum speed. It should also reduce the heat and prolong the drive's service life I think.
Is there a release date for the BOT-1 yet? It certainly looks like something I'd add to the BDP-1.
Cheers!
Antun
BDP-1 customers are going to require a seperate power supply product as the BDP-1's power supply is inadequate. Because we intend on using the BPS (Bryston Power Supply) with other future products it will likley take longer to have safetied for sale.
Cheers
Chris
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H Chris
Has it been decided to launch the BOT-1, if so when might we see it. Three months, six months, 12 months
thanks
Adrian
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BDP-1 customers are going to require a seperate power supply product as the BDP-1's power supply is inadequate. Because we intend on using the BPS (Bryston Power Supply) with other future products it will likley take longer to have safetied for sale.
Cheers
Chris
Chris, that is the first mention of a new power supply that I have seen. Is it planned to be an update to the MPS-2 and will it handle previous boxes such as the BP 1.5 and BP26 as well as the BOT-1 and other future products?
Tony
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Chris, that is the first mention of a new power supply that I have seen. Is it planned to be an update to the MPS-2 and will it handle previous boxes such as the BP 1.5 and BP26 as well as the BOT-1 and other future products?
Tony
Hi Tony!
No, the new power supply is designed to power the new suite of mini-components such as the BOT-1 optical transport and BHD-1 hard disk drive enclosure and possible future products. The components are 1/3 the width of standard 17'' components and it seems that Bryston has designed them as add-on products for the BDP range of digital players.
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi Folks,
Chris put together an update on the Bryston BOT-1 Drive which is attached to the BDP-2 and allows for CD playback.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAimXXR71-0&feature=youtu.be
It is 6 minutes long.
james
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Hi Tony!
No, the new power supply is designed to power the new suite of mini-components such as the BOT-1 optical transport and BHD-1 hard disk drive enclosure and possible future products. The components are 1/3 the width of standard 17'' components and it seems that Bryston has designed them as add-on products for the BDP range of digital players.
Cheers!
Antun
James,
Is the above post by Antun correct? The video makes no mention that you will have to buy a new power supply for the BOT-1. It is surprising that if it needs a separate power supply that the MPS-2 could not be used and that a Bryston system could require two different power supply boxes.
Tony
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James,
Is the above post by Antun correct? The video makes no mention that you will have to buy a new power supply for the BOT-1. It is surprising that if it needs a separate power supply that the MPS-2 could not be used and that a Bryston system could require two different power supply boxes.
Tony
The BOT will work with the BDP2 but not the BDP1 as the BDP1 does not have enough current to run the drive on the USB output.
james
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After watching the video, I'm disappointed the BOT doesn't have a tray to load CDs. Instead you feed them into the unit like a car CD player. When you take them out, you get fingerprints on the CD. That's a deal breaker for me at this price level.
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James,
Is the above post by Antun correct? The video makes no mention that you will have to buy a new power supply for the BOT-1. It is surprising that if it needs a separate power supply that the MPS-2 could not be used and that a Bryston system could require two different power supply boxes.
Tony
...agreed! i think it's a pity that the MPS2 can't be used with the BOT. it has at least 4 outputs - one is for the 26 and three more are left :cry: ...big supply - little use.
al.
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The BOT will work with the BDP2 but not the BDP1 as the BDP1 does not have enough current to run the drive on the USB output.
james
With it not working with the BDP-1, does that also apply to the new BDP-1USB as well?
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With it not working with the BDP-1, does that also apply to the new BDP-1USB as well?
Yes correct - the BDP-1USB is a BDP-1 without the sound-card.
james
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James,
Is the above post by Antun correct? The video makes no mention that you will have to buy a new power supply for the BOT-1. It is surprising that if it needs a separate power supply that the MPS-2 could not be used and that a Bryston system could require two different power supply boxes.
Tony
A BDP-2 provides enough power over USB to power the BOT or even the BMS (aka BHD) if 2.5" drive is installed. The power supply component is needed if your using the BOT with a BDP-1 or installing 3.5" drive in the BMS (Bryston Mass Storage). The MPS-2 is designed with analog devices, like preamps, phonographs or headphone amps in mind and not digital products. The BPS (the power supply for the BOT/BMS) is designed for digital products and potentially to be used for analog products (perhaps a dec or preamp). The BPS transformer will contain three sets of secondary taps:
0-8v @ 5amps for digital circuits requiring 5v or 3.3v
0-14v @ 3amps for digital circuits requiring 12v
20-0-20v @1amp for possible products containing an analog circuit
The MPS-2 does have a 12v output that could be regulated down to the needed 5v for the BOT, however this line is protected by a 500mA fuse that would blow as soon as the BOT (requires 1.6Amps) was powered on.
Cheers,
Chris
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Yes correct - the BDP-1USB is a BDP-1 without the sound-card.
james
Thanks
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A BDP-2 provides enough power over USB to power the BOT or even the BMS (aka BHD) if 2.5" drive is installed. The power supply component is needed if your using the BOT with a BDP-1 or installing 3.5" drive in the BMS (Bryston Mass Storage). The MPS-2 is designed with analog devices, like preamps, phonographs or headphone amps in mind and not digital products. The BPS (the power supply for the BOT/BMS) is designed for digital products and potentially to be used for analog products (perhaps a dec or preamp). The BPS transformer will contain three sets of secondary taps:
0-8v @ 5amps for digital circuits requiring 5v or 3.3v
0-14v @ 3amps for digital circuits requiring 12v
20-0-20v @1amp for possible products containing an analog circuit
The MPS-2 does have a 12v output that could be regulated down to the needed 5v for the BOT, however this line is protected by a 500mA fuse that would blow as soon as the BOT was powered on.
Cheers,
Chris
The way you talk about the BMS sounds like it is also getting close to launch. Are you targeting a similar release window as the BOT? Can the BDP-2 power both a BOT and BMS or is it a one or the other sort of thing?
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The way you talk about the BMS sounds like it is also getting close to launch. Are you targeting a similar release window as the BOT? Can the BDP-2 power both a BOT and BMS or is it a one or the other sort of thing?
You should be able to run both a BOT and BMS off of a BDP-2's USB ports, I havn't tested it yet as i am hesitant to populate additional prototype circuit boards as i am about to submit the final design to our manufacturer. It is these boards that will be used in units that will be submitted for EMI testing/certification and will end up in production. The BOT featured in the video was built so the guy's would have something to show off at cedia.
Cheers,
Chris
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The way you talk about the BMS sounds like it is also getting close to launch. Are you targeting a similar release window as the BOT? Can the BDP-2 power both a BOT and BMS or is it a one or the other sort of thing?
The BMS and BOT are almost identical, the differences are:
the bracket to hold the drive in
the cable to connect the drive to the circuit board
Dress panel (same dress panel, minus a slot for the cd)
Everything else is shared; chassis, top, circuit boards, chips, feet, additional cables.
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks Chris
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After watching the video, I'm disappointed the BOT doesn't have a tray to load CDs. Instead you feed them into the unit like a car CD player. When you take them out, you get fingerprints on the CD. That's a deal breaker for me at this price level.
Hi
The new slot drives have much lower noise issues and have better overall build quality because they are designed for laptops.
james
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I spent a few days with BOT and, just out of sheer habit, grabbed the disc by the edges to insert and remove it.
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Slot loading drives don't equate to messing up the disc. I used a PS3 in a secondary system for a while for Blu-Ray
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Okay, so when can we expect to see the BOT-1 and it's matching power supply in the store?
Also, Chris mentioned the boards are ready to be given to your manufacturer... Does this mean Bryston hired a company to manufacture this product for them and does this apply to other digital products as well?
Cheers!
Antun
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Okay, so when can we expect to see the BOT-1 and it's matching power supply in the store?
Also, Chris mentioned the boards are ready to be given to your manufacturer... Does this mean Bryston hired a company to manufacture this product for them and does this apply to other digital products as well?
Cheers!
Antun
Hi
No we do all our manufacturing - he just meant the metal work was sent out to be manufactured.
Hope to have product available in a couple of months.
james
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Hi
No we do all our manufacturing - he just meant the metal work was sent out to be manufactured.
Hope to have product available in a couple of months.
james
Excellent! Thank you very much Sir!
Best,
Antun
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After watching the video, I'm disappointed the BOT doesn't have a tray to load CDs. Instead you feed them into the unit like a car CD player. When you take them out, you get fingerprints on the CD. That's a deal breaker for me at this price level.
The audio isn't played back like it is in a traditional CD player, if you happen to get finger prints on the data side it shouldn't an issue.
Cheers
Chris
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Okay, so when can we expect to see the BOT-1 and it's matching power supply in the store?
Also, Chris mentioned the boards are ready to be given to your manufacturer... Does this mean Bryston hired a company to manufacture this product for them and does this apply to other digital products as well?
Cheers!
Antun
I think your over simplifying things, a product is made up of multiple components. Everything is designed, manufactured and checked at Bryston. We rely on fabricators (Canadian) to supply us with Bryston designed/specified parts to build our products. For example, we out source the fabrication of our chassis to a company Kingston, ON; that chassis is sent to another company Kingston to be powder coated. That component (along with many others) are delivered to Bryston where it is inspected for flaws and if it passes it is then entered into inventory where it will eventually be "kitted" to be used to assemble what ever it was destined to be part of. Dress panels to through a similair routine, but are done by a company Toronto that specializes in aluminum extrusions and milling, rather then a company that specializes in folder steel/aluminum construction.
We here at Bryston are great at designing and manufacturing of high end audio electronics, but certain parts of the manufacturing process are best suited to people to those who have already mastered a certain craft. These parts are also generally dangerous in some way, wether it be the use of heavy equipment or toxic chemicals.
Circuits boards go through a routine that is quite a bit more complex, first sheets of pcb that are thinly coated with copper or etched using some nasty chemicals. If a board contains more then two layers of traces then the multiple sheets need to be epoxed together, using more toxic chemicals. Once the board is built it still needs to be populated with components. Anything out sourced is all handled by Canadian companies and I believe they all reside in ontario.
We arn't any different then any other company with the exception that we try to use Canadian companies for as much of the manufacturing process as possible and at the end of the day the product was hand built by a man or women in Peterborough ON, employed by Bryston Ltd.
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks for that Chris! I was kinda curious. I'm really glad to hear its done locally!
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A BDP-2 provides enough power over USB to power the BOT or even the BMS (aka BHD) if 2.5" drive is installed. The power supply component is needed if your using the BOT with a BDP-1 or installing 3.5" drive in the BMS (Bryston Mass Storage). The MPS-2 is designed with analog devices, like preamps, phonographs or headphone amps in mind and not digital products. The BPS (the power supply for the BOT/BMS) is designed for digital products and potentially to be used for analog products (perhaps a dec or preamp). The BPS transformer will contain three sets of secondary taps:
0-8v @ 5amps for digital circuits requiring 5v or 3.3v
0-14v @ 3amps for digital circuits requiring 12v
20-0-20v @1amp for possible products containing an analog circuit
The MPS-2 does have a 12v output that could be regulated down to the needed 5v for the BOT, however this line is protected by a 500mA fuse that would blow as soon as the BOT (requires 1.6Amps) was powered on.
Cheers,
Chris
...thanks, Chris. very good explained :thumb:
al.
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Here's a video from EuroCircuits on how a printed circuit board (raw card) is manufactured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIV0icM_Ujo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIV0icM_Ujo)
This is probably the most common of several ways that printed circuit boards, raw cards, are manufactured.
note: I don't have any ties to EuroCircuits. I just found their video to be informative on how your typical, generic, pcb is created.
HsvHeelFan
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I think your over simplifying things, a product is made up of multiple components. Everything is designed, manufactured and checked at Bryston. We rely on fabricators (Canadian) to supply us with Bryston designed/specified parts to build our products. For example, we out source the fabrication of our chassis to a company Kingston, ON; that chassis is sent to another company Kingston to be powder coated. That component (along with many others) are delivered to Bryston where it is inspected for flaws and if it passes it is then entered into inventory where it will eventually be "kitted" to be used to assemble what ever it was destined to be part of. Dress panels to through a similair routine, but are done by a company Toronto that specializes in aluminum extrusions and milling, rather then a company that specializes in folder steel/aluminum construction.
We here at Bryston are great at designing and manufacturing of high end audio electronics, but certain parts of the manufacturing process are best suited to people to those who have already mastered a certain craft. These parts are also generally dangerous in some way, wether it be the use of heavy equipment or toxic chemicals.
Circuits boards go through a routine that is quite a bit more complex, first sheets of pcb that are thinly coated with copper or etched using some nasty chemicals. If a board contains more then two layers of traces then the multiple sheets need to be epoxed together, using more toxic chemicals. Once the board is built it still needs to be populated with components. Anything out sourced is all handled by Canadian companies and I believe they all reside in ontario.
We arn't any different then any other company with the exception that we try to use Canadian companies for as much of the manufacturing process as possible and at the end of the day the product was hand built by a man or women in Peterborough ON, employed by Bryston Ltd.
Cheers,
Chris
Hi Chris!
Thank you for an elaborate reply! I wasn't really trying to simplify anything. It is the same thing in construction business - concrete and reinforcement is done by one company, electrical installatations by another, industrial equipment is installed by someone else etc. It's a complex matter. Every piece of my equpment is Bryston because I appreciate the effort you put into your products. It is always a good thing to add sanity when it comes to engineering and I am fond of Bryston for it's sane, logical design that is based on principles, not marketing. You also have to realise that Bryston equipment is quite a lot more expensive in EU so you're in between some rough competition and still, I think it is worth it. Because your equipment performs as good or better, has a good reputation and lasts a lifetime with a guarantee period to prove it and is made in the western world, NOT in China. I look for traditional values in equipment and I am sure there are plenty people like me out there.
Best,
Antun
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Hello!
Is there a possibility we will see the BOT-1 and it's matching power supply withing the next six months?
It is an interesting project and I will certainly give it a thought when it is available. Buying a dedicated CD player is always nice but the advantage of the BOT-1 in my opinion would be that it eliminates the managing side of things and leaves you with nothing but the actual CD drive. The management side of things is taken by the BDP and BDA. As a result of that, the sound would be very consistent between direct CD playback and playback of files that have already been ripped onto a flash drive.
I think that BDP and BDA need more utilization and the BOT-1 will allow precisely that. To buy a dedicated CD player that would match the BDP and BDA in audio quality would demand effort and significant funds and the usefulness of buying a CD player would be put in question by the fact I already have the managing side of things and all that is missing is the CD drive.
Just thinking out loud. Or in hand-writing/typing...
Cheerio!
Antun
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Hello!
Is there a possibility we will see the BOT-1 and it's matching power supply withing the next six months?
It is an interesting project and I will certainly give it a thought when it is available. Buying a dedicated CD player is always nice but the advantage of the BOT-1 in my opinion would be that it eliminates the managing side of things and leaves you with nothing but the actual CD drive. The management side of things is taken by the BDP and BDA. As a result of that, the sound would be very consistent between direct CD playback and playback of files that have already been ripped onto a flash drive.
I think that BDP and BDA need more utilization and the BOT-1 will allow precisely that. To buy a dedicated CD player that would match the BDP and BDA in audio quality would demand effort and significant funds and the usefulness of buying a CD player would be put in question by the fact I already have the managing side of things and all that is missing is the CD drive.
Just thinking out loud. Or in hand-writing/typing...
Cheerio!
Antun
Hi Antun
I am going to show the BOT at the Toronto show coming up and the plan is to have it available early in the new year.
james
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James, any pictures of the final product?
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James, any pictures of the final product?
None official but it will look like the pics I posted earlier.
james
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Hi Antun
I am going to show the BOT at the Toronto show coming up and the plan is to have it available early in the new year.
james
Excellent! I am looking forward to it!
Do we know what the price might be as of yet?
Cheers!
Antun
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Excellent! I am looking forward to it!
Do we know what the price might be as of yet?
Cheers!
Antun
Looks like around $850.00 list
james
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Does this mean we won't see the new CD player ? :scratch:
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Oh no. James can tell us for sure.... :dunno:
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Oh no. James can tell us for sure.... :dunno:
Still being discussed
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Hi Folks,
Please find attached the preliminary literature sheet on the new Bryston BOT-1 (Bryston Optical Drive) which can be used in combination with our BDP-2 Digital Player.
We will be showing it at the upcoming Toronto Show and should be available for sale in January 2015.
It is a 1/3rd size unit (same as the BUC-1).
Price is projected to be about $850 List in USA
James
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107124)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107125)
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Excellent.
What's the Canadian list?
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Excellent.
What's the Canadian list?
same
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James excellent idea. Is this for Bryston DACs only ? Sell a bunch great concept.
charles
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same
Thanks
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James excellent idea. Is this for Bryston DACs only ? Sell a bunch great concept.
charles
Hi Charles
For the BDP-2 Digital Player - you still need to feed the BDP player into a DAC.
james
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Hi Folks,
Please find attached the preliminary literature sheet on the new Bryston BOT-1 (Bryston Optical Drive) which can be used in combination with our BDP-2 Digital Player.
We will be showing it at the upcoming Toronto Show and should be available for sale in January 2015.
It is a 1/3rd size unit (same as the BUC-1).
Price is projected to be about $850 List in USA
James
That's excellent James!
For the BDP-1 users, when can we see the matching power supply considering BDP-1 cannot provide sufficient current through it's USB port?
Cheers!
Antun
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That's excellent James!
For the BDP-1 users, when can we see the matching power supply considering BDP-1 cannot provide sufficient current through it's USB port?
Cheers!
Antun
Hi
We are looking at a new power supply but nothing built yet.
james
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HI James,
congrats on another innovative product!
While your designing the new power supply, would you provide for some extra high quality power connections for powered usb drives on it? Could be the sole reason to by one ;-)
Cheers,
Marius
Hi
We are looking at a new power supply but nothing built yet.
james
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HI James,
congrats on another innovative product!
While your designing the new power supply, would you provide for some extra high quality power connections for powered usb drives on it? Could be the sole reason to by one ;-)
Cheers,
Marius
We are planing a 3.5" drive enclosure to go with the power supply product, if this helps? Or did if you have something else in mind?
Cheers
Chris
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Sorry, i missed this one.
I was just thinking, in designing the new power supply, you might add the possibility for it to be used for externally powered USB drives. With high quality (was it non switching?) transformers. a slightly different product than your drive enclosure.
Marius
We are planing a 3.5" drive enclosure to go with the power supply product, if this helps? Or did if you have something else in mind?
Cheers
Chris
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Marius, You're basically talking about making it a powered USB hub in addition to power supply right? Sounds like a good idea.
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Great point, Gary. I agree that Marius' idea offers strong flexibility.
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
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Sorry, i missed this one.
I was just thinking, in designing the new power supply, you might add the possibility for it to be used for externally powered USB drives. With high quality (was it non switching?) transformers. a slightly different product than your drive enclosure.
Marius
The power supply won't have any regulation built in, but it will use a toroidal transformer and the devices it powers will contain linear regulators (to better distribute heat dissipation). I did want to add something for DIY'ers, a linear regulated 5v USB port. I've seen a number of neat raspberry pi hifi projects and after attending a Linux Audiophile seminar at TAVES noticed there seems to be all lot of interest in this. I'm not sure if I will make make it internal or release a cable with the regulator built in or anything at all. Regardless we are using a DB15HD connector for the power outlet, so the connector can be picked up for a few dollars from digikey. I hope the manual will contain some documentation regarding for the connector works and its pin out.
http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/180-015-202L001/T815FER-ND/1767539
plus a DB9 casing
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=108146)
The above picture is taken from the power outlet board found in the BPS-3
The two sensing pins (SENSE_G and SENSE_P) should be shorted with a resistor (the value has yet to be determined).
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi guys!
Is there an estimated price on the power supply unit?
I have a BDP-1 and shall require one to power the BOT-1 as I really want to get the most out of this amazing player.
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi guys!
Is there an estimated price on the power supply unit?
I have a BDP-1 and shall require one to power the BOT-1 as I really want to get the most out of this amazing player.
Cheers!
Antun
I know three things, it'll cost more then a dollar, but less then an infinite amount of dollars.
Cheers,
Chris
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I know three things, it'll cost more then a dollar, but less then an infinite amount of dollars.
Cheers,
Chris
Chris, that's two things. What's the third? :scratch:
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I know three things, it'll cost more then a dollar, but less then an infinite amount of dollars.
Cheers,
Chris
Hi Chris!
That's exactly where my budget is!!!
What's the third thing?
Antun
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With the recent news of the BDA-3, is there any way the BOT can read and output the DSD layer to the DAC in any way???
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With the recent news of the BDA-3, is there any way the BOT can read and output the DSD layer to the DAC in any way???
I do not believe so but will let Chris respond.
James
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Hi James!
I've been meaning to ask you with respect to DVD playback on the BOT-1. It will play audio CDs for now, I know, but is there a chance it will also read DVD-Rs with high-resolution PCM content in the future? I am aware that this will have to be added in the firmware of your BDP series players but is this something you are considering?
My apologies for not having sent you that problematic flash drive for inspection yet, it will be in the post this week.
Best,
Antun
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Hi James!
I've been meaning to ask you with respect to DVD playback on the BOT-1. It will play audio CDs for now, I know, but is there a chance it will also read DVD-Rs with high-resolution PCM content in the future? I am aware that this will have to be added in the firmware of your BDP series players but is this something you are considering?
My apologies for not having sent you that problematic flash drive for inspection yet, it will be in the post this week.
Best,
Antun
Yes we are using a BluRay drive in the BOT so there is room for future development.
James
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Chris, that's two things. What's the third? :scratch:
I have bird flu, so you can't be mean to me :wink:
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With the recent news of the BDA-3, is there any way the BOT can read and output the DSD layer to the DAC in any way???
Uhm.... errr.... no
The BOT is designed to act as an extension for the BDP.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi James!
I've been meaning to ask you with respect to DVD playback on the BOT-1. It will play audio CDs for now, I know, but is there a chance it will also read DVD-Rs with high-resolution PCM content in the future? I am aware that this will have to be added in the firmware of your BDP series players but is this something you are considering?
My apologies for not having sent you that problematic flash drive for inspection yet, it will be in the post this week.
Best,
Antun
Hi Antun,
Yes this is something being considered and development will be based on user feedback.
Cheers,
Chris
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Uhm.... errr.... no
The BOT is designed to act as an extension for the BDP.
Cheers,
Chris
Ok. My thought was that if we soon will have a DAC that can decode DSD, and that there will soon be an optical transport to spin physical discs that the transport might have the ability to send the DSD info to the DAC in some way. To me it would add more functionality to the unit. That's something I would most definitely be interested in.
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Having DVD capability, but not SA-CD doesn't make sense to me.
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Ok. My thought was that if we soon will have a DAC that can decode DSD, and that there will soon be an optical transport to spin physical discs that the transport might have the ability to send the DSD info to the DAC in some way. To me it would add more functionality to the unit. That's something I would most definitely be interested in.
Well your not alone, but getting DSD out of an SACD has stump many people. Mi believe the issue is the lack of drives capable of reading sacd's. I know I certainly can't find one.
Cheers
Chris
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Hi Antun,
Yes this is something being considered and development will be based on user feedback.
Cheers,
Chris
That's excellent Chris, thank you!
Cheers!
Antun
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Well your not alone, but getting DSD out of an SACD has stump many people. Mi believe the issue is the lack of drives capable of reading sacd's. I know I certainly can't find one.
Cheers
Chris
Hi Chris!
Just to make a comment on this and forgive me in advance if I am wrong but this Pioneer PD-50 player plays SACDs and according to the specifications, it can play audio files stored on DVD-Rs. Here's the link:
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/42/225/225/PD-50-K/page.html
Perhaps Bryston could buy one and see which drive Pioneer used as I am sure it is an affordable one, like the PD-50 player.
I don't find it necessary to play SACDs on the BOT-1 by the way but some others seem to like that idea.
Best,
Antun
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Hi Antun,
This is not possible, we are using a sata optics drive, unless we can buy a sata drive that plays sacd's it won't be possible. The original Sony PS3 could play audio cd's, dvd's, blurays and sacd's and in likley good was also a sata drive, but not one we could use as we could never have bought it. The only SACD drives we can buy are proprietary and have the Dac's built in to prevent copying. Seriously this is never going to happen.... Please for all that is holy stop asking!
Cheers
Chris
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Hi Antun,
This is not possible, we are using a sata optics drive, unless we can buy a sata drive that plays sacd's it won't be possible. The original Sony PS3 could play audio cd's, dvd's, blurays and sacd's and in likley good was also a sata drive, but not one we could use as we could never have bought it. The only SACD drives we can buy are proprietary and have the Dac's built in to prevent copying. Seriously this is never going to happen.... Please for all that is holy stop asking!
Cheers
Chris
Thank you for explaining Chris!
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi folks!
I am sorry if this has been already asked but for us BDP-1 owners, when can we expect to see the BOT-1 power supply considering we'll need one along with the BOT-1?
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi folks!
I am sorry if this has been already asked but for us BDP-1 owners, when can we expect to see the BOT-1 power supply considering we'll need one along with the BOT-1?
Cheers!
Antun
Hi Antun
Chris is working on it now so it should be available around the same time as the BOT -1 --- early January. Looks like it is going to be a popular piece given the backorders already!
james
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Hi Antun
Chris is working on it now so it should be available around the same time as the BOT -1 --- early January. Looks like it is going to be a popular piece given the backorders already!
james
Thank you very much Sir! I shall be needing one too!
Best,
Antun
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Hi Antun
Chris is working on it now so it should be available around the same time as the BOT -1 --- early January. Looks like it is going to be a popular piece given the backorders already!
james
Hi James!
To extend a bit on my previous question - how can I place on the order on the BOT-1 and it's power supply when it is not yet available?
One other thing, how is this going to work exactly? Do both the BOT-1 and the power supply need to be connected to the BDP-1 or just the BOT-1? Can you talk about that a little bit please?
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi James!
To extend a bit on my previous question - how can I place on the order on the BOT-1 and it's power supply when it is not yet available?
One other thing, how is this going to work exactly? Do both the BOT-1 and the power supply need to be connected to the BDP-1 or just the BOT-1? Can you talk about that a little bit please?
Cheers!
Antun
Hi Antun
You can order one through your dealer but make sure he knows they will not be available till early January.
The BOT plugs into the power supply with its own cable and the USB out from the BOT plugs into the BDP-1. The BDP-1 has its own internal supply so you do not plug it into the external power supply.
james
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Hi Antun
You can order one through your dealer but make sure he knows they will not be available till early January.
The BOT plugs into the power supply with its own cable and the USB out from the BOT plugs into the BDP-1. The BDP-1 has its own internal supply so you do not plug it into the external power supply.
james
That's great James, thanks!
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Hi Antun
Chris is working on it now so it should be available around the same time as the BOT -1 --- early January. Looks like it is going to be a popular piece given the backorders already!
james
Hi James!
The BOT-1 is going to be 800 $US. Do we have an estimate on it's power supply yet?
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi!
Is there an estimated price on the BOT-1 & power supply combination yet? When are these going to become available?
Cheers!
Antun
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Anybody have any information about the BOT-1 release date. I have a lot of CDs patiently waiting to get ripped into my BDP-2.
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Last post that I have seen from James Tanner is BOT-1 should be released this month.
Steve
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One of the components used on the bot's main circuit board, a regulator was discontinued and it's held things up a couple of weeks to test alternatives. It's not all bad news, while testing alternative components we came up with mod for the circuit board to allow the BMS (Bryston Mass Storage, USB hard drive) to be powered off of a 12v wall wart, we will likley have both the BOT and BMS at Montreal to show off with both expected to go into production just before or after the show.
Cheers
Chris
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One of the components used on the bot's main circuit board, a regulator was discontinued and it's held things up a couple of weeks to test alternatives. It's not all bad news, while testing alternative components we came up with mod for the circuit board to allow the BMS (Bryston Mass Storage, USB hard drive) to be powered off of a 12v wall wart, we will likley have both the BOT and BMS at Montreal to show off with both expected to go into production just before or after the show.
Cheers
Chris
Chris, will this include the matching power supply for the BOT-1 which is necessary for BDP-1 users?
When is the Montreal show?
Cheers!
Antun
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End of the month, as the bps-3 is going to take some time before it will be complete, we have been making a few modifications to make both the bot and BMS to work with a 12v wall wart making both available sooner rather then later.
Cheers
Chris
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End of the month, as the bps-3 is going to take some time before it will be complete, we have been making a few modifications to make both the bot and BMS to work with a 12v wall wart making both available sooner rather then later.
Cheers
Chris
Hi Chris!
Does this mean I would be able to use the BOT-1 with my BDP-1 just using this wall wart?
If so, why would I need the BPS-3?
Cheers!
Antun
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That is correct. We are still pushing forward with the wall wart for people that would rather have linear solution rather then a switching solution. Second, we intend on releasing additional products that would also make use of this power supply. We intend on releasing a line of audio products that make use of the 1/3 width size that the BOT, BMS, BPS-3 and BUC-1 use.
Current ideas include, DAC, ADC, pre-amp and phono. time will tell what comes of the this new form factor
Cheers,
Chris
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That is correct. We are still pushing forward with the wall wart for people that would rather have linear solution rather then a switching solution. Second, we intend on releasing additional products that would also make use of this power supply. We intend on releasing a line of audio products that make use of the 1/3 width size that the BOT, BMS, BPS-3 and BUC-1 use.
Current ideas include, DAC, ADC, pre-amp and phono. time will tell what comes of the this new form factor
Cheers,
Chris
Thanks Chris!
One product I'd like to see is a single-ended-only version of the BHA-1 headphone amplifier. I think that would be a highly desirable and popular product from Bryston.
However, it is good to know I won't be required to buy the BPS-3 just to use the BOT-1 with the BDP-1. It will give me the opportunity to get the BOT-1 when it becomes available and get the BPS-3 at a later date.
Cheers!
Antun
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James/Chris,
This thread has been running for 2 years and it finally sounds like the BOT-1 is about to be released and I read that there are backorders already. Is there a document that summarizes exactly what the BOT-1 does with the BDP-1 and BDP-2? I am intrigued by the product but it is difficult to know exactly what it is and how it works. For example, if it rips a CD to a hard drive what is the result? Is information about the CD such as genre, artist, etc. available? How about file structure? Can it play the CD without ripping it to the drive? Are there differences in how it works with the BDP-1 and -2?
Regards,
Tony
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James/Chris,
This thread has been running for 2 years and it finally sounds like the BOT-1 is about to be released and I read that there are backorders already. Is there a document that summarizes exactly what the BOT-1 does with the BDP-1 and BDP-2? I am intrigued by the product but it is difficult to know exactly what it is and how it works. For example, if it rips a CD to a hard drive what is the result? Is information about the CD such as genre, artist, etc. available? How about file structure? Can it play the CD without ripping it to the drive? Are there differences in how it works with the BDP-1 and -2?
Regards,
Tony
Hi Tony!
I got replies from Chris about all the things you are asking now. Read the last couple of pages on this thread. Yes, there are differences how the BOT-1 behaves with BDP-1 and BDP-2. I believe all the information about the disc will appear automatically if the BDP is connected to the internet. Also, the BOT-1 can be set up to do either ripping or playback once the disc has been loaded.
What I am interested in is playback of high-resolution files from DVDs. I hope this will be available considering BOT-1 is going to use either a DVD or BD -ROM drive and this would be one of the main selling points for me.
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi Tony!
I got replies from Chris about all the things you are asking now. Read the last couple of pages on this thread. Yes, there are differences how the BOT-1 behaves with BDP-1 and BDP-2. I believe all the information about the disc will appear automatically if the BDP is connected to the internet. Also, the BOT-1 can be set up to do either ripping or playback once the disc has been loaded.
What I am interested in is playback of high-resolution files from DVDs. I hope this will be available considering BOT-1 is going to use either a DVD or BD -ROM drive and this would be one of the main selling points for me.
Cheers!
Anton
Thanks Anton. I still see more questions than answers. After two years of design, Bryston has stated that they have back orders and that the BOT will be shown in Montreal. Surely there must be marketing material describing BOT capabilities. I just would like to see it. Patiently standing by...
Tony
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE-OIYkt5v0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE-OIYkt5v0&feature=youtu.be)
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Video is private. I can't see it.
Tony
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE-OIYkt5v0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE-OIYkt5v0&feature=youtu.be)
Hi Chris!
The video is private, I can't access it either.
@Tony
Hi Tony!
The BOT-1 philosophy is two-fold and it works differently with BDP-1 and -2 players. The hassle, the way I understood it, is the difference in amount of RAM between the players. The BDP-1 has 256 MB which is not enough to store an entire disc and one has to take into account the fact that there is less memory availanle because the machine uses a portion for it's Linux system. This is why BDP-1 will sequentally read the disc and store only what is needed instead of the whole disc. The BDP-2 will store an entire disc in it's RAM and it will be played from there. Technically, I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be the same because both machines will play the files stored in the memory, not directly from the disc, and this will eliminate any errors.
You also asked whether it will be necessary to rip the disc before it can be played. The answer is no, the machines will play the files directly from RAM and they will not be temporarily stored on connected storage devices. That said, Bryston will leave the decision of how the BOT-1 will work to us. Essentially, you will be able to select how the BOT-1 will behave once the disc has been inserted - either direct playback or ripping (and possibly both at the same time) will be possible.
My concern with the BOT-1 was that it would not work with BDP-1 without BPS-3, the new linear power supply, because BDP-1 cannot provide sufficient power through it's USB ports. However, till the BPS-3 is released, it now seems like Bryston will provide a wall-wart power supply that will power the BOT-1. The BPS-3 will be available at a later date so my guess is that they did not want to post-pone the project on account of the power supply.
I kind of wish they have kept the full 17'' profile of the unit instead of shrinking it down to one third the width but I suppose it makes more sense since it will be a part of their miniature series. The prototype looked rather nice with a classic drawer-type loading mechanism. The BOT-1 will be a slot-loading type though and while I am not a fan of those, I acknowledge the usefulness of the unit as it will really make the BDP computer-independent.
I hope I provided at least something useful!
Best,
Antun
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Hi Antun,
Good information. Thank you.
Tony
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Hi Antun,
Good information. Thank you.
Tony
Cheers mate! :thumb:
Antun
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Just a question regarding the BPS-3 and BOT-1.
You mentioned of future possibilities in the same form factor and using the BPS-3 power supply, and for people who want a BOT-1 and have a BDP-1 it sounds as though a BPS-3 will be required. What if you currently have a MPS-2, BP26 users for example. Will the MPS-2 be able to power the BOT-1 or similar accessories, or will a cable be available?
I would actually like a BP26 however are deterred as I would have to buy a MPS-2 at the same time, but if the MPS-2 could power multiple accessories it would become a more palatable option.
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Just a question regarding the BPS-3 and BOT-1.
You mentioned of future possibilities in the same form factor and using the BPS-3 power supply, and for people who want a BOT-1 and have a BDP-1 it sounds as though a BPS-3 will be required. What if you currently have a MPS-2, BP26 users for example. Will the MPS-2 be able to power the BOT-1 or similar accessories, or will a cable be available?
I would actually like a BP26 however are deterred as I would have to buy a MPS-2 at the same time, but if the MPS-2 could power multiple accessories it would become a more palatable option.
Hi
I will let Chris respond but I believe the MPS2 will not power the BOT as the BOT requires a different current/voltage ratio?
james
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Just a question regarding the BPS-3 and BOT-1.
You mentioned of future possibilities in the same form factor and using the BPS-3 power supply, and for people who want a BOT-1 and have a BDP-1 it sounds as though a BPS-3 will be required. What if you currently have a MPS-2, BP26 users for example. Will the MPS-2 be able to power the BOT-1 or similar accessories, or will a cable be available?
I would actually like a BP26 however are deterred as I would have to buy a MPS-2 at the same time, but if the MPS-2 could power multiple accessories it would become a more palatable option.
I believe this has been answered in the past, a MPS-2 doesn't provide the correct voltage for the BOT and is also current limited below the BOT needs
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I believe this has been answered in the past, a MPS-2 doesn't provide the correct voltage for the BOT and is also current limited below the BOT needs
Yes, but the BOT-1 will come with a wall-wart power supply which will make it possible for BDP-1 users to use the BOT-1 until the BPS-3 is released, right?
Cheers!
Antun
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Yes, but the BOT-1 will come with a wall-wart power supply which will make it possible for BDP-1 users to use the BOT-1 until the BPS-3 is released, right?
Cheers!
Antun
Correct
james
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I have not taken up the challenge to rip my CDs into files because i just have not a clue how to catalogue them, and the huge task is just daunting.
Hoping there'll be something that will do this for me, by searching out the CDs metadata from databases in the internet.
Will the BOT1 do this automatically, retaining essential information like Composer, Performer, Artiste, Title, Label, etc ?
So that i could easily search out discs by these information fields?
Thanks.
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Is the BOT-1 still coming? I haven't spoken with my dealer, lately, so apologies if it's available for order via dealers; but, I haven't seen this appear on the Bryston website.
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Is the BOT-1 still coming? I haven't spoken with my dealer, lately, so apologies if it's available for order via dealers; but, I haven't seen this appear on the Bryston website.
Hi
We started production this week but it will be a few weeks to catch up on the backorders.
james
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Cool. Thanks for the reply.
Will the BOT-1 include the linear PSU wall-wart?
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Cool. Thanks for the reply.
Will the BOT-1 include the linear PSU wall-wart?
Yes the wall wart is included as well as a USB cable.
james
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Sorry... one more question: what about the storage device (called BMS, I think)?
Is there an update on that, as well?
Thank You, Ken
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Sorry... one more question: what about the storage device (called BMS, I think)?
Is there an update on that, as well?
Thank You, Ken
Hi Ken
We have a few prototypes but no production yet.
james
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OK, sorry... one more question about BOT-1.
When I rip a CD to attached storage via the BDP (e.g. USB drive, flash drive or NAS), will the BOT-1 ripping process automatically update the Bryston DB with the new CD? That is, can I go into the Media Player and see the new album and/or navigate into the Artist View without triggering a complete update of my entire collection?
I purchase a lot of music and I would like to add to my collection and get to playback as quickly as possible. Today, that means copying the ripped tracks onto my storage device and then forcing an update of the Bryston DB, which can take hours to complete across my 13,000+ tracks (i.e. from Artist View).
If I could pop in a CD, rip it (even play right from the CD, which is cool) and go right into the Media Player and see it / play it, that would be worth the price of admission on that feature alone.
Thanks, Ken
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Hi Ken
When you insert the CD it will show up on the right side of MM and you can play it immediately.
You can also rip it to an attached drive and it will show up in that drive immediately as well after the rip.
You can not rip and listen at the same time.
Email me and I will send you the owners manual. jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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OK, sorry... one more question about BOT-1.
When I rip a CD to attached storage via the BDP (e.g. USB drive, flash drive or NAS), will the BOT-1 ripping process automatically update the Bryston DB with the new CD? That is, can I go into the Media Player and see the new album and/or navigate into the Artist View without triggering a complete update of my entire collection?
I purchase a lot of music and I would like to add to my collection and get to playback as quickly as possible. Today, that means copying the ripped tracks onto my storage device and then forcing an update of the Bryston DB, which can take hours to complete across my 13,000+ tracks (i.e. from Artist View).
If I could pop in a CD, rip it (even play right from the CD, which is cool) and go right into the Media Player and see it / play it, that would be worth the price of admission on that feature alone.
Thanks, Ken
You can play it immediately from the default view and if your ripping the cd you are presented the option to play the tracks as they are ripped to the drive. As each track is ripped and encoded two buttons are display'd, the first is a play now and the second is an add to playlist.
If you trigger ripping using the front panel controls the BDP will play the tracks, starting with he first track, once it's done ripping will stop playback.
Cheers
Chris
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HI,
Would it be possible to connect the BDP and BOT over the ethernet? Would be great to have the possibility to store the BOT near the CD collection, and not necessarily near the BDP. Since we mainly operate the BDP through its various remote control interfaces, there in fact is no need to store the BDP and BOT next to each other?
It would also enable computer-correcting the ripped tags, which are very often very wrong or inaccurate, before storing them in the BDP's database.
All features described above by Chris would remain the same, since the BDP sees the BOT.
Cheers,
Marius
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james
couple questions ...
what is delivery time for BOT-1 from placement of order and what is price in CDN dollars ?
when will the BPS power supply be available and what is price in CDN dollars ?
thanks
sfox
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james
couple questions ...
what is delivery time for BOT-1 from placement of order and what is price in CDN dollars ?
when will the BPS power supply be available and what is price in CDN dollars ?
thanks
sfox
HI
We started shipping this week but we are backordered 56 units so any new order would be about 3 weeks.
We have not started on the external power supply yet so it will be a while - the wall wart works great.
james
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Hello James
What is the price for the BOT-1 and how long is delivery from placement of order with dealer ?
Ed
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Hello James
What is the price for the BOT-1 and how long is delivery from placement of order with dealer ?
Ed
Hi Ed
$1295 list in North America and about a week to 10 days from order.
james
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$1295 ... $US?
I thought I read on here that the price would be around $850.
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$1295 ... $US?
I thought I read on here that the price would be around $850.
Hi
We have added a power supply and a much better drive so the price did go up.
james
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Understood.
I am not trying to be a troll, but maybe you could expand on the "better drive" and power supply, a little bit.
I was hesitating at $850, but $1,295 US seems like a stretch; especially when I can run a $50 USB-powered BD/DVD drive off the back of my BDP-1 (which is what I've been using to play around with the archive and playback feature).
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Understood.
I am not trying to be a troll, but maybe you could expand on the "better drive" and power supply, a little bit.
I was hesitating at $850, but $1,295 US seems like a stretch; especially when I can run a $50 USB-powered BD/DVD drive off the back of my BDP-1 (which is what I've been using to play around with the archive and playback feature).
Hi
Yes you can certainly continue to use the drive you have if it is working fine. The price simply reflects our costs in designing and manufacturing a dedicated Bryston drive.
James
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HI Krutsch,
Which drive are you using? for $50 id like to try the new features. $1300 seems very very steep for a cd ripper that does noting else but rip and enable playing a cd through the BDP. Id like to see/test the power of its ripping software, and how it holds up to the features and ease of use of XLD and the likes.
One of my main concerns is where the ripped tracks are stored, or are they stored at all ? Whats your experience up to now?
Thanks,
Marius
Understood.
I am not trying to be a troll, but maybe you could expand on the "better drive" and power supply, a little bit.
I was hesitating at $850, but $1,295 US seems like a stretch; especially when I can run a $50 USB-powered BD/DVD drive off the back of my BDP-1 (which is what I've been using to play around with the archive and playback feature).
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Hi Marius
The tracks are stored on what ever drive you assign to it through a window..
It will choose the drive with the largest storage capacity automatically and you can then move it by dragging an dropping to any other drive you wish using the network.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123608)
james
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Hi James,
So if i understand correctly, it is stored on a selected drive root, and then i have to move it to its specified folder through my Mac/PC? Or can we do that in the MM interface?
For example, I rip the first album of a certain artist. It is stored to the selected drive root. Then i log into that drive on my mac, create the artist folder on the desired drive/style/artist and move it there?
Also: for backup reasons i always copy the albums to my NAS for a full mirror. Doing that from my Mac uses the Gbit network. If i had to copy it from my BDP, would that be using the GB or just the !00Mb ethernet interface. Cant seem to find it on http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/300030%5BBDP2%5D.pdf
Marius
Hi Marius
The tracks are stored on what ever drive you assign to it through a window..
It will choose the drive with the largest storage capacity automatically and you can then move it by dragging an dropping to any other drive you wish using the network.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123608)
james
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Hi James,
So if i understand correctly, it is stored on a selected drive root, and then i have to move it to its specified folder through my Mac/PC? Or can we do that in the MM interface?
For example, I rip the first album of a certain artist. It is stored to the selected drive root. Then i log into that drive on my mac, create the artist folder on the desired drive/style/artist and move it there?
Also: for backup reasons i always copy the albums to my NAS for a full mirror. Doing that from my Mac uses the Gbit network. If i had to copy it from my BDP, would that be using the GB or just the !00Mb ethernet interface. Cant seem to find it on http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/300030%5BBDP2%5D.pdf
Marius
Hi
Have to ask Chris on some questions. I just move my rips to a folder called CD Rips.
James
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Ok James, Thanks.
Your Cd-Rips folder sounds familiar ;-)
It's more the scenario after that that im interested in. If id need my Mac for ordering the rips from the Cd-rips folder into the library, there wouldn't be much of an advantage to using the BOT. On the contrary, it would complicate things unnecessarily.
Cheers,
Marius
Hi
Have to ask Chris on some questions. I just move my rips to a folder called CD Rips.
James
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found the network info on page 36: 2 gigabit ports. No worries there then.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123610)
Cheers,
Marius
Hi
Have to ask Chris on some questions. I just move my rips to a folder called CD Rips.
James
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Couple questions re BOT-1
Why is the circuit board blue when other Bryston circuit boards are green ?
Could you post a picture of the wall wart ?
What is the total price for the BOT-1 at 1295 plus the BPS-3 power supply ?
Ed
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HI Krutsch,
Which drive are you using? for $50 id like to try the new features. $1300 seems very very steep for a cd ripper that does noting else but rip and enable playing a cd through the BDP. Id like to see/test the power of its ripping software, and how it holds up to the features and ease of use of XLD and the likes.
One of my main concerns is where the ripped tracks are stored, or are they stored at all ? Whats your experience up to now?
Thanks,
Marius
Any of the USB 2.0 drives will work, AFAIK. I use this one: http://www.lg.com/us/data-storage/lg-BP50NB40 (http://www.lg.com/us/data-storage/lg-BP50NB40) ... which was $80 US at BBY. It's very quiet and fast; powers just fine from the upper, back USB port on my BDP-1. Yes, it's cheap looking, and that matters to me, so I am interested in adding a BOT-1. I would be interested to learn if there are other advantages to the BOT-1, technically speaking, over a cheap spinner.
James has answered some of your questions, regarding usage, but my experience has been a good one. I buy a LOT of used CDs from local stores and Amazon, so I am sort of ripping all of the time. I've ripped directly to a flash drive or a hard drive and then rebuild the Bryston DB (which is very fast now, with the latest BETA).
CD Playback is a really nice feature; the sound quality is identical to ripping beforehand and playing back from your storage. A really fantastic concept from Bryston which obsoletes dedicated CD players - except for the fact that I have a large collection of BD, SACD, DVD-A and DVD Video discs, in addition to Redbook CDs. So, I have a stand-alone SACD player and a Blu-ray player, in addition to the BDP-1... it all takes up a lot of desk space:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123615)
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Couple questions re BOT-1
Why is the circuit board blue when other Bryston circuit boards are green ?
Could you post a picture of the wall wart ?
What is the total price for the BOT-1 at 1295 plus the BPS-3 power supply ?
Ed
Hi
The BPS-2 power supply is not available yet so no price has been set - to early to say.
james
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Thanks James
Could you post a picture of the wall wart and advise why the circuit board is blue in colour instead of the usual green ? :scratch:
Ed
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Thanks James
Could you post a picture of the wall wart and advise why the circuit board is blue in colour instead of the usual green ? :scratch:
Ed
Hi Ed
Yes I can take a picture - it looks very conventional - but Chris designed it so I think it's his favourite colour (lol)
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Chris
Why is circuit board blue as shown in the video - is it different construction than green boards ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAimXXR71-0&feature=youtu.be
Ed
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The colour of the resist is specified by the engineer and is limited by what the fabricator stocks. In the past Bryston has normally not specified a resist colour and thus the fabricator assumes the traditional green. I chose blue simply to be different and figured it would be the least resentful colour.
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Hi Krutsch, all,
Since i'm on the lookout for adding a bluray drive to my mac setups, i wondered whether these 2 drives would fit the bill for trying the MM ripping (BOT) features also:
Pioneer BDR XS06 http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Computer/Computer+Drives/BDR-XS06
LG BE14nu40 http://www.lg.com/us/data-storage/lg-BE14NU40
Anyone with any experience on these? Chris, might you have tested these please? Would these be successfully recognized by the BDP-1 MM software?
Thanks,
Marius
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I have the previous generation LG Super Multi Blue, externally powered drive, for ripping on my Mac Mini. It's TOTL, IMO. Very fast and reliable.
I see no reason why the Pioneer drive wouldn't work; it's USB 3.0, but should power just fine from a USB 2.0 (500 mA) port, from what I've read. This drive was on my short list, but I ultimately went with the LG portable because it has a manual, slide-out tray. YMMV, but I've experienced scratching on my optical plastic from slot-loaders. Maybe the TEAC drive Bryston has selected for the BOT-1 is higher quality and is immune to such issues.
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Hi Krutsch, all,
Since i'm on the lookout for adding a bluray drive to my mac setups, i wondered whether these 2 drives would fit the bill for trying the MM ripping (BOT) features also:
Pioneer BDR XS06 http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Computer/Computer+Drives/BDR-XS06
LG BE14nu40 http://www.lg.com/us/data-storage/lg-BE14NU40
Anyone with any experience on these? Chris, might you have tested these please? Would these be successfully recognized by the BDP-1 MM software?
Thanks,
Marius
The LG looks like it had its own power supply, that would be the ideal choice for that reason. I havn't seen an optical drive that didn't consume more then an amp and the BDP-1 really can't deliver more that.
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the Pioneer uses an ac/dc adapter of 5v 1.0 amp: page 11 http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/Manuals/Business/BDR-XS06_OperatingInstructions121914.pdf
not familiar with the AVE, but seems nothing very special?
other than that it looks the lot... I understand your concern with the slot drive. Do you have any comments on the external sound the LG is making? Operational silence is of course a main concern..
Chris, you have no other remarks, besides the external power?
Thanks again!
Marius
I have the previous generation LG Super Multi Blue, externally powered drive, for ripping on my Mac Mini. It's TOTL, IMO. Very fast and reliable.
I see no reason why the Pioneer drive wouldn't work; it's USB 3.0, but should power just fine from a USB 2.0 (500 mA) port, from what I've read. This drive was on my short list, but I ultimately went with the LG portable because it has a manual, slide-out tray. YMMV, but I've experienced scratching on my optical plastic from slot-loaders. Maybe the TEAC drive Bryston has selected for the BOT-1 is higher quality and is immune to such issues.
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I was recommended one of these for replay quality on another forum:
http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/plextor-px-lb950ue-external-12x-blu-ray-disc-writer/All-Pages.html
Currently giving great results on CD replay with my BDP-2. Seems to sound better with Esata than USB.
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Thanks, a great drive indeed. will consider it for sure.
remarkable difference between e-sata and usb though, would Chris see any reason for that?
the site pointed me to http://samsunghdd.seagate.com, M3 and P3 portable drives, just what i needed now one of my 2 passports is reaching its limits. 4tb per drive in 2,5 inch....
The Future is here, and it's a bright one!
Thanks to all,
Marius
I was recommended one of these for replay quality on another forum:
http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/plextor-px-lb950ue-external-12x-blu-ray-disc-writer/All-Pages.html
Currently giving great results on CD replay with my BDP-2. Seems to sound better with Esata than USB.
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During testing i didn't find esata to be any faster then USB 2.0 for ripping an audio cd, seems that reading the data is the bottle neck not the bus that connects the drive to the BDP
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I was recommended one of these for replay quality on another forum:
http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/plextor-px-lb950ue-external-12x-blu-ray-disc-writer/All-Pages.html
Currently giving great results on CD replay with my BDP-2. Seems to sound better with Esata than USB.
While Plextor used to manufacture some phenomenal drives years ago. They no longer manufacture optical drives at all. They purchase drives (usually LG), put a new face plate on, and then custom modify the firmware. That doesn't make their drives bad at all, but they do command a price premium that doesn't seem to translate in a performance improvement.
As far as audible noise goes, just slow the drive down (assuming the BDP doesn't do that already - Chris?). The noise optical drives make is mostly a result of how fast the disc spins. Slower spinning drive = less noise. Of course, the faster the disc spins, the faster your rip will go.
On the other hand, there's been plenty of discussion in the past about the possibility of faster rip speeds impacting audio quality. Unless the rip generates an error, I'm not sure how that'd be the case, but some report a difference.
- Garrett
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This particular drive is out of stock and not on Plextors products list anymore: http://www.plextor-digital.com/index.php/en/External-Blu-ray/px-b120u.html
Marius
While Plextor used to manufacture some phenomenal drives years ago. They no longer manufacture optical drives at all. They purchase drives (usually LG), put a new face plate on, and then custom modify the firmware. That doesn't make their drives bad at all, but they do command a price premium that doesn't seem to translate in a performance improvement.
As far as audible noise goes, just slow the drive down (assuming the BDP doesn't do that already - Chris?). The noise optical drives make is mostly a result of how fast the disc spins. Slower spinning drive = less noise. Of course, the faster the disc spins, the faster your rip will go.
On the other hand, there's been plenty of discussion in the past about the possibility of faster rip speeds impacting audio quality. Unless the rip generates an error, I'm not sure how that'd be the case, but some report a difference.
- Garrett
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This particular drive is out of stock and not on Plextors products list anymore: http://www.plextor-digital.com/index.php/en/External-Blu-ray/px-b120u.html
Marius
I don't know if they are available new old stock anywhere still but I got a mint one on eBay for £60.
It does sound v.good with the BDP-2 to me and I like that it has a proper motorised draw rather than slot loading. I'm also powering mine with an aftermarket LPS which does seem to improve SQ.
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While Plextor used to manufacture some phenomenal drives years ago. They no longer manufacture optical drives at all. They purchase drives (usually LG), put a new face plate on, and then custom modify the firmware. That doesn't make their drives bad at all, but they do command a price premium that doesn't seem to translate in a performance improvement.
As far as audible noise goes, just slow the drive down (assuming the BDP doesn't do that already - Chris?). The noise optical drives make is mostly a result of how fast the disc spins. Slower spinning drive = less noise. Of course, the faster the disc spins, the faster your rip will go.
On the other hand, there's been plenty of discussion in the past about the possibility of faster rip speeds impacting audio quality. Unless the rip generates an error, I'm not sure how that'd be the case, but some report a difference.
- Garrett
Hi Garret, I am not aware of any Plextor-manufactured drive at all. Even in the early days of CD-ROM drives with SCSI interfaces, the drives were made by either Hitachi or Sanyo. Plextor selected the best ones out of those but to my knowledge, never made the drives themselves. Hitachi ones in particular, were excellent with real ripping speeds reaching 40x on the outer rim of the disc. This was mostly due to the SCSI interface though as it was much faster and more importantly, a lot more consistent in data transfer than the then EIDE interface.
I've had other drives, like Pioneer slot-load DVD ROMs, that performed equally well as those old Plextors that required a separate SCSI controllers that plugged into one of PCI slots on the motherboard. Pioneer was more elegant as it was a standard EIDE drive, albeit less reliable due to it's slot-loading mechanism.
Speaking of LG, be aware of the fact some models have reversed channels so ripping music with these drives will result in the opposite channel panning. Ripping engines like EAC have a feature to remedy this problem.
Cheers!
Antun
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james
what manufacturer is the drive in the BOT-1 ?
ed
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james
what manufacturer is the drive in the BOT-1 ?
ed
Panasonic
james
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thanks james
panasonic drive like this ?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=124305)
is the front panel with hardware eject button removed before installing in BOT-1 ?
ed
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Do not think so as we do not have to alter it to use it.
James
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The BOT-1 is now officially on the Bryston site.
Brochure and manual included :thumb:
Thanks James
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The BOT-1 is now officially on the Bryston site.
And also now listed on U.S. vendor site Audio Advisor (http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BYBOT1) (Expected 7/17/15)
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Just received my BOT-1 and looking forward to hooking it up and ripping all my CDs into my BDP-2. The BOT-1 comes with a USB Y cable. No mention in the manual. My understanding is that this type of cable is used to provide extra power to a USB device. Isn't the BOT-1 powered by the wall wart? Just a little confused. Thanks.
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Just received my BOT-1 and looking forward to hooking it up and ripping all my CDs into my BDP-2. The BOT-1 comes with a USB Y cable. No mention in the manual. My understanding is that this type of cable is used to provide extra power to a USB device. Isn't the BOT-1 powered by the wall wart? Just a little confused. Thanks.
Hi
Yes please ignore the USB with the red pigtail end - it is meant to supply more power but with the wall wart not required.
james
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Thanks James!
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Can the BOT rip SACDs, and have the info saved as .dsf files on an internal disk in a BDP-2?
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Can the BOT rip SACDs, and have the info saved as .dsf files on an internal disk in a BDP-2?
HI
No just CD's at this point. It is DVD BluRay drive so we will be adding features in the future but I do not believe Sony allows access to SACD bit streams.
james
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HI
No just CD's at this point. It is DVD BluRay drive so we will be adding features in the future but I do not believe Sony allows access to SACD bit streams.
james
This has been mentioned before (i.e. new features); I am very curious what that might entail. SACD will never happen, as you mention above. But even DVD and/or BD ripping is a challenge, from a legal standpoint. Some countries have fair use laws that would allow this, but neither the US nor Canada are one of these countries.
Direct DVD Video/Audio and BD audio playback would be interesting, using the MM UI to control playback, even without a display connected, if you can acquire the chapter titles and present them as a list of tracks, auto-selecting the mandatory 2-channel PCM track required by those formats. I have a BD player and an LCD panel in my head-fi stack just for this purpose and I would love to get rid of it.
Could be very cool if it's done right... anyway, anxious to see what's next with the BOT-1.
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This has been mentioned before (i.e. new features); I am very curious what that might entail. SACD will never happen, as you mention above. But even DVD and/or BD ripping is a challenge, from a legal standpoint. Some countries have fair use laws that would allow this, but neither the US nor Canada are one of these countries.
Direct DVD Video/Audio and BD audio playback would be interesting, using the MM UI to control playback, even without a display connected, if you can acquire the chapter titles and present them as a list of tracks, auto-selecting the mandatory 2-channel PCM track required by those formats. I have a BD player and an LCD panel in my head-fi stack just for this purpose and I would love to get rid of it.
Could be very cool if it's done right... anyway, anxious to see what's next with the BOT-1.
and I would still prefer a tray loader of some kind :thumb:
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The BOT-1 is now officially on the Bryston site.
Brochure and manual included :thumb:
Thanks James
http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BOT-1.html
james
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what is:
BPS-3 multi-device power supply
that is mentioned at the bottom of the BOT-1 web page?
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what is:
BPS-3 multi-device power supply
that is mentioned at the bottom of the BOT-1 web page?
We are thinking of including a separate matching power supply for the BOT
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=124413)
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Very interesting, a perfect matching pair :)
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james
perhaps you could design brackets similar to the rack ears that mount from underneath the BOT-1, BCU-1, BPS-3 etc to tie 2 or 3 units together ?
just a thought ... :o
ed
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We are thinking of including a separate matching power supply for the BOT
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=124413)
Will this power supply come together with the BOT-1 in the same package?
BTW, will the BOT-1 connect to a BDP-2 via a regular USB cable?
(So that we can try using more expensive cables to see how that will improve teh quality.)
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Will this power supply come together with the BOT-1 in the same package?
BTW, will the BOT-1 connect to a BDP-2 via a regular USB cable?
(So that we can try using more expensive cables to see how that will improve teh quality.)
Hi
It will be an optional outboard unit rather than the wallwart which comes with the BOT. To large to include in the BOT.
Yes it just comes with a standard USB cable so you can certainly experiment with exotic cables if you wish.
james
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One of the features of PC-based ripping software like dBPoweramp is the ability to use "AccurateRip" and numerous other features to ensure error-free copies. Are there any such provisions on the BOT-1? Does a bad source disk simply get rejected, or re-read?
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One of the features of PC-based ripping software like dBPoweramp is the ability to use "AccurateRip" and numerous other features to ensure error-free copies. Are there any such provisions on the BOT-1? Does a bad source disk simply get rejected, or re-read?
Hi - it gets re-read.
james
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Suggestion for BOT-1: offer a better CD lookup service.
I've been playing around with Archiving CDs and I've run into many CDs that "look up" to the wrong album. Have you folks considered adding Gracenote support? I know Gracenote costs money, but you are selling a $1,300 drive and maybe only enable it for customers that purchase the BOT-1 to offset the costs to Bryston? Third-party drives continue work, but are restricted to using MusicBrainz or whatever.
Just a thought...
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chris
which model panasonic drive is used in the BOT-1 and how is slot in drive aligned with slot in dress panel to avoid scratching CDs' ? :scratch:
ed
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Like I said why not stick with a tray and avoid this possibility? :scratch: Slot loading is a deal breaker for me, sorry.
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One of the features of PC-based ripping software like dBPoweramp is the ability to use "AccurateRip" and numerous other features to ensure error-free copies. Are there any such provisions on the BOT-1? Does a bad source disk simply get rejected, or re-read?
AccurateRip simply calculates a unique value of the rip and compares how close that calculated value varies from existing submissions. It doesn't do anything to correct errors, simply tells you how close it is to rip performed by other people.
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chris
which model panasonic drive is used in the BOT-1 and how is slot in drive aligned with slot in dress panel to avoid scratching CDs' ? :scratch:
ed
Hi Ed,
Its a panasonic Bluray Burner, we wanted to keep our software options as open as possible. I'm not saying we will have blu-ray ripping and playback, but if we can write the software or find someone to write the software then the option is there.
The drive comes with a membrane (made of clothe) that supports the cd as it's inserted or removed from the drive. The slot of the drive is lined up with dress panel, this took a few tries in prototyping to get just right. Each drive is individually tested to ensure correct alignment and that cd's won't be scratched. It is possible for a cd to be scratched when inserting, but requires the user to put significant down force on the disc, essentially the cd needs to be flexed enough to scrape against the metal dress panel.
Cheers,
Chris
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Suggestion for BOT-1: offer a better CD lookup service.
I've been playing around with Archiving CDs and I've run into many CDs that "look up" to the wrong album. Have you folks considered adding Gracenote support? I know Gracenote costs money, but you are selling a $1,300 drive and maybe only enable it for customers that purchase the BOT-1 to offset the costs to Bryston? Third-party drives continue work, but are restricted to using MusicBrainz or whatever.
Just a thought...
Funny you should mention gracenote, we have been in talks with them quite recently. We may use there service, but not right away, the problem is we sell such a small quantity that using there service we would need to adjust the price of the BOT and BDP to make up the difference in units shipped.
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Hi Folks,
Chris put together a video of how to utilized the BOT-1 :thumb:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOT/BOT.html
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Hi Ed,
Its a panasonic Bluray Burner, we wanted to keep our software options as open as possible. I'm not saying we will have blu-ray ripping and playback, but if we can write the software or find someone to write the software then the option is there.
The drive comes with a membrane (made of clothe) that supports the cd as it's inserted or removed from the drive. The slot of the drive is lined up with dress panel, this took a few tries in prototyping to get just right. Each drive is individually tested to ensure correct alignment and that cd's won't be scratched. It is possible for a cd to be scratched when inserting, but requires the user to put significant down force on the disc, essentially the cd needs to be flexed enough to scrape against the metal dress panel.
Cheers,
Chris
thanks chris !
is the drive panasonic UJ-265 (same as drive in macbook laptop) ?
ed
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i didn't think apple ever included a bluray drive with any of there computers, just dvd burners
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oops - missed the blu-ray feature - just curious if the drives were the same for compatibility with macbook ... :duh:
ed
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could be, the drive follows the optical slimline standard used in most laptops. We wanted to avoid the same issue that killed off the BCD-1 caused by proprietary drives.
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James,
I tried the link and got this message: "No video with supported format and MME type found" :(
Is it an issue with my computer not having the appropriate software or is it on the other end? I think a video is a great idea and I would like to watch it. Thanks, Don
Hi Folks,
Chris put together a video of how to utilized the BOT-1 :thumb:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOT/BOT.html
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I tried the link and got this message: "No video with supported format and MME type found" :(
It appears to be a browser compatibility / browser settings issue. I can view the video with Chrome, but I get that error in Firefox. I'm also unable to view it in Internet Explorer, Opera and Safari, but with no specific error message.
Steve
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Steve,
Thanks for the feedback. I have Firefox (where I received the error message) and IE. If four major browsers do not work then I think the real problem is on the other end. Or maybe is is just the latest chapter in the great Google conspiracy to take over the world. :dunno:
It appears to be a browser compatibility / browser settings issue. I can view the video with Chrome, but I get that error in Firefox. I'm also unable to view it in Internet Explorer, Opera and Safari, but with no specific error message.
Steve
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It appears to be a browser compatibility / browser settings issue. I can view the video with Chrome, but I get that error in Firefox. I'm also unable to view it in Internet Explorer, Opera and Safari, but with no specific error message.
Steve
Any browser the supports embedded h.264 video should play these video's that should be any modern version of Internet explorer, google chrome, apple safari, Firefox or opera. It's been feasted on windows 7 using Internet explorer 11 and google chrome 26. It's been tested on a Mac running Mac OS X 10.9 in safari.
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oops: http://www.whathifi.com/news/ripping-cds-and-dvds-illegal-again?utm_medium=EMAIL&utm_campaign=Enews%20bulletins&utm_content=article_1_read_more&utm_source=20150720
A High Court ruling has quashed the changes in the law brought by the government last year, meaning it's no longer legal to make a copy of your own CDs, DVDs and Blu-rays. :duh: :duh:
Hope this gets corrected....
Marius
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chris
is there a plastic faceplate on the drive between it and the brushed aluminum dress panel or is the drive mounted directly to the back of the dress panel ? :o
ed
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chris
is there a plastic faceplate on the drive between it and the brushed aluminum dress panel or is the drive mounted directly to the back of the dress panel ? :o
ed
It's a stock bluray drive that includes a plastic bezel with a felt or felt like lining to protects audio cd's as they are being inserted and ejected. Unless you apply down force on the cd, it'll be fine.
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Hi James
I ordered a black BOT-1 today through Pro Sound - could you check on estimated delivery time ? :D
Thanks
Steven
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james
when will BPS be available ?
ed
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james
when will BPS be available ?
ed
Hi Ed
It will be a while as the wallwart has worked out fine and we have a couple of other projects Chris is working on first.
james
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What does the BOT-1 rip to? Can it rip to an external drive connected to a BDP or only to an internal drive?
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What does the BOT-1 rip to? Can it rip to an external drive connected to a BDP or only to an internal drive?
Hi
Any drive attached including NAS
james
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What to do if the CD is not recognized?
Is there a way to populate the unknown fields via the MM software?
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What to do if the CD is not recognized?
Is there a way to populate the unknown fields via the MM software?
Yah, you simply edit the shown values before ripping. you can even add cover art by way of a link.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOT/BOT%201%20-%20Intro.mov
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOT/BOT.html
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Thank you Sir! :thumb:
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Hi James and co,
a few weeks back by BDP-1/BOT-1 was recognising and reading CDs for ripping with no problem, all data fields automatically completed, but today it is not picking up any information of tracks and so on. When I select the Meta button I see the title of the CD, for example -
a6128d0c Fray David / Schubert: Impromptus D 899 - Moments musicaux D 780 : 200 classical
but all other information windows are not updated. I have such as 'Unknown Artista6128d0c' and all titles are just track 1, 2, 3 and so on. Track times are registered, though.
I have tried a few CDs but get same outcome. Is there a remedy for this, please.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133168)
best
docder
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Do not think so as we do not have to alter it to use it.
James
I kept seeing estimated prices in the $800-900 range for the BOT-1 but it seems to have debuted at $1295. What happened?
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I kept seeing estimated prices in the $800-900 range for the BOT-1 but it seems to have debuted at $1295. What happened?
Hi
Yes the drive turned out to be a lot more expensive that we originally thought.
james
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Hi James and co,
a few weeks back by BDP-1/BOT-1 was recognising and reading CDs for ripping with no problem, all data fields automatically completed, but today it is not picking up any information of tracks and so on. When I select the Meta button I see the title of the CD, for example -
a6128d0c Fray David / Schubert: Impromptus D 899 - Moments musicaux D 780 : 200 classical
but all other information windows are not updated. I have such as 'Unknown Artista6128d0c' and all titles are just track 1, 2, 3 and so on. Track times are registered, though.
I have tried a few CDs but get same outcome. Is there a remedy for this, please.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133168)
best
docder
An update on this issue - I solved it by closing down CD Backup, disconnecting BOT-1, then reconnecting BOT-1 follow by re-opening CD Backup. I then reinserted the CD, it was now recognised and the relevant data fields were populated. The problem may have been caused by having CD Backup open before connecting BOT-1.
D
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An update on this issue - I solved it by closing down CD Backup, disconnecting BOT-1, then reconnecting BOT-1 follow by re-opening CD Backup. I then reinserted the CD, it was now recognised and the relevant data fields were populated. The problem may have been caused by having CD Backup open before connecting BOT-1.
D
Hi dorder
Thanks for the detective work - will look into it at our end as well.
james
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HI Chris,
will the BOT1/BDP software rip and playback Blu-ray yet, in 24bit? Haven't heard an update on this, or missed it.
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Ed,
Its a panasonic Bluray Burner, we wanted to keep our software options as open as possible. I'm not saying we will have blu-ray ripping and playback, but if we can write the software or find someone to write the software then the option is there.
.....
Cheers,
Chris
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finally hooked up an LG BP55EB40 blu ray burner to my BDP1 (over a powered USB TP-Link UH720 USB 3.0 hub , adding to 3 WD 2tb Passports) and happy to report all hardware seems to be recognized and working :thumb:
Same goes for a LG GP70NS50 external DVD-burner. Looking a bit better in its 'Mac' (and Bryston) compatible silvery slotdrive. A bit louder in spinning the discs though.
Chris, can't the BDP recognize these 2 hooked up at the same time? Had to disconnect the BD for the DVD to be seen. It had power enough from the hub, since it was spinning and loading/ejecting fine.
First impressions: none of the cd's have album art ..... all classical cd's, which was what i was afraid of.
2 out of 3 were recognized...
I did see Glenn Gould's Goldberg variations, in 2 sets of metadata, but they have disappeared for now. 32 tracks did take some time to load, (nothing displayed to say its reading the disc)
my bdp says is has no internet connection, which of course it does have, but, not to spoil the fun, that won't keep me from experimenting a little further. Ill give it some time to settle down.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142294)
Ella does it better, (loading in only a few seconds) still no album art though:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142295)
Note is doesn't show the song title in the playlist, but does in the player section of MM interface, and also in the backup interface below:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142296)
Cheers,
Marius
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finally hooked up an LG BP55EB40 blu ray burner to my BDP1 (over a powered USB TP-Link UH720 USB 3.0 hub , adding to 3 WD 2tb Passports) and happy to report all hardware seems to be recognized and working :thumb:
Same goes for a LG GP70NS50 external DVD-burner. Looking a bit better in its 'Mac' (and Bryston) compatible silvery slotdrive. A bit louder in spinning the discs though.
Chris, can't the BDP recognize these 2 hooked up at the same time? Had to disconnect the BD for the DVD to be seen. It had power enough from the hub, since it was spinning and loading/ejecting fine.
First impressions: none of the cd's have album art ..... all classical cd's, which was what i was afraid of.
2 out of 3 were recognized...
I did see Glenn Gould's Goldberg variations, in 2 sets of metadata, but they have disappeared for now. 32 tracks did take some time to load, (nothing displayed to say its reading the disc)
my bdp says is has no internet connection, which of course it does have, but, not to spoil the fun, that won't keep me from experimenting a little further. Ill give it some time to settle down.
Ella does it better, (loading in only a few seconds) still no album art though:
Note is doesn't show the song title in the playlist, but does in the player section of MM interface, and also in the backup interface below:
Cheers,
Marius
The software was designed to just have one drive attached at a time, perhaps you should try turning the BDP off, only plug in one optical drive and use it with just that one drive. Also your USB hub might keep the BDP-1's system board running, so when you turn the BDP off make sure to unplug the USB hub as well.
Cover art can be added from the menu on the left in the cd backup utility.
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks Chris,
BDP settled down from the experimental phase, feeding from the front usb port, adding to the 2 back ports, to final setup, feeding all usb port devices thought the new Hub, attached to the top back usb port. Et voila: Audio CD Ready! :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142336)
Cleared cache, reset DB, the BDP1 is now rebuilding, and seemingly doing fine, only the NAS drive (MP3) to go:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142335)
USB hub is powered on/off when the system is powered, hope that will suffice.
Coverart didn't load either because the BDP didn't see the internet (which it should have.. :scratch: ) or cd's weren't recognized, which still happens more often than one hopes for.
Will try to figure out ripping cd's (which is called backing up is it?) saving and transporting those rips to the BDP and NAS library, and comparing that to the old routine.
Question: Can one drag and drop covert art (like in XLD)? Thats is way easy, browsing the web, finding the art and simply DD it on to the ripping interface.
Must say I've already started liking the loading and direct playing from memory through the BDP and MM. Cool to remotely command the CD-playing through the app.
Cheers,
Marius
The software was designed to just have one drive attached at a time, perhaps you should try turning the BDP off, only plug in one optical drive and use it with just that one drive. Also your USB hub might keep the BDP-1's system board running, so when you turn the BDP off make sure to unplug the USB hub as well.
Cover art can be added from the menu on the left in the cd backup utility.
Cheers,
Chris
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turn your BDP on and enter the following address (http://bryston-bdp-1.local/dashcode/br2 (http://bryston-bdp-1.local/dashcode/br2)) it will take you to a page that looks like a br2 remote and you can control the BDP and b100/b135 from it.
Well my hour on the tread mill is up
Cheers,
Chris
Hi Chris,
does this still apply? takes me to the BDP homepage instead.
Cheers,
Marius
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Hi Chris,
does this still apply? takes me to the BDP homepage instead.
Cheers,
Marius
http://192.168.0.101/rm/
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thanks Chris,
Should the attached dvd/cd drive be seen in Mac finder?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142343)
it isn't right now
Marius
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http://192.168.0.101/rm/ (http://192.168.0.101/rm/)
this it? no play commands? only volume. if its this simple and effective, why not integrate in the MM interface, would be really wonderful.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142344)
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thanks Chris,
Should the attached dvd/cd drive be seen in Mac finder?
it isn't right now
Marius
sorry, but no, I really hadn't thought about it
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this it? no play commands? only volume. if its this simple and effective, why not integrate in the MM interface, would be really wonderful.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142344)
Volume control in Manic Moose is still relatively new, it'll come eventually, but lots going on
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sorry, but no, I really hadn't thought about it
No worries, finder does what it should then.
If you could make it happen somewhere along the other things 'going on' ...
Cheers Marius
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Volume control in Manic Moose is still relatively new, it'll come eventually, but lots going on
:thumb:
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Chris
Are there any operating notes to go with (what I understand to be) the memory play options from the prev and next buttons on front panel?
I have resumed using my BDP2 with an Plextor BD drive, the basic play and ripping options seem much improved now and I can also get the memory play functions working too, but the latter only works for the first disc after startup, hangs on the second or subsequent attempts. I'm also that mystified why the folders that memory play adds to the media player seem to persist even after rebooting BDP.
Thanks
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USB hub is powered on/off when the system is powered, hope that will suffice.
well, apparently it was not..... had a power button for itself, automatically going off when powered off. Since it has to be powered on manually, and i had it hidden buried deep into the back of my setup, that wasn't so comfortable.
Changed it for the Kensington K33980EU 7 port USB hub, and it seems to work even better. Drives are immediately (read quicker) recognized. The other hub displayed all drives fine, but i experienced some strange non-playing behavior. Could add tracks to the playlist, but not all were played.
This Kensington hub seems to do better, all drives are read and played immediately, playlists from across 4 drives and cd-player are played without issues for now :thumb:
Could there be such a difference?
Only thing again: no cover art, which displayed fine yesterday:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142388)
Cheers,
Marius
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well, apparently it was not..... had a power button for itself, automatically going off when powered off. Since it has to be powered on manually, and i had it hidden buried deep into the back of my setup, that wasn't so comfortable.
Changed it for the Kensington K33980EU 7 port USB hub, and it seems to work even better. Drives are immediately (read quicker) recognized. The other hub displayed all drives fine, but i experienced some strange non-playing behavior. Could add tracks to the playlist, but not all were played.
This Kensington hub seems to do better, all drives are read and played immediately, playlists from across 4 drives and cd-player are played without issues for now :thumb:
Could there be such a difference?
Only thing again: no cover art, which displayed fine yesterday:
Cheers,
Marius
Yah I don't see why not, perhaps the power supply wasn't up to the task or simply some kind of compatibility issue.
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Hi Chris,
backed up my first cd..
it took about 45 minutes though, is there something to be done about this? XLD takes about 3-5 minutes.
I had it write to memory first, but then it ejected the cd after track 1, 35 %. is this because the bdp1 has little memory?
disabled it, and it went alright.
That is:
MM Backup is still displaying it is encoding... while i am playing the rip this very moment ;-)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142478)
Cheers,
Marius
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Hi Chris,
backed up my first cd..
it took about 45 minutes though, is there something to be done about this? XLD takes about 3-5 minutes.
I had it write to memory first, but then it ejected the cd after track 1, 35 %. is this because the bdp1 has little memory?
disabled it, and it went alright.
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius
Yes I think the new features Chris is developing for the BDP-2's has gone way beyond what the BDP-1 is really capable of.
james
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HI James,
You're talking about the memory here?
Marius
Hi Marius
Yes I think the new features Chris is developing for the BDP-2's has gone way beyond what the BDP-1 is really capable of.
james
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Hi Chris,
backed up my first cd..
it took about 45 minutes though, is there something to be done about this? XLD takes about 3-5 minutes.
I had it write to memory first, but then it ejected the cd after track 1, 35 %. is this because the bdp1 has little memory?
disabled it, and it went alright.
Cheers,
Marius
The memory option in cd backup isn't BDP-1 compatible as it doesn't have enough memory to operate. This is in part due to how long it takes the BDP-1's (AMD Geode 500Mhz) processor to encode the data into flac or mp3. A BDP-2 is generally only 1-2 tracks behind the ripping of the audio cd where as a BDP-1 takes significantly longer and falls much further behind.
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The memory option in cd backup isn't BDP-1 compatible as it doesn't have enough memory to operate. This is in part due to how long it takes the BDP-1's (AMD Geode 500Mhz) processor to encode the data into flac or mp3. A BDP-2 is generally only 1-2 tracks behind the ripping of the audio cd where as a BDP-1 takes significantly longer and falls much further behind.
Thought as much, but liked to try anyhow. Building reasons to get me a new BDP.
Please keep adding features ;-)
Marius
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HI,
Since it is relatively quiet in this thread, i wondered if anyone actually backing up their cd's with the BOT1? Im having mixed success , especially in the classical departement (as feared though, it is notoriously under represented in the various db'ses)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142716)
MM result 1: While recognizing the cd, no tags are filled-out, nor is an imagefile found
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142717)
MM result 2: Disc recognized, tags are filled out but incorrect, no image file found
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142718)
iTunes result 1: disc recognized, tags filled out better, no image file
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142719)
iTunes result 2: disc recognized, tags filled out correct, no image file
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142720)
XLD result 1: disc recognized, tags filled out correct, (correct!) Image file
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142721)
XLD result 2: disc recognized, tags filled out correct, (correct, again ) Image file
XLD seems to get the Meta data better from the servers it searches, and also present the user with a bit more options, that make it easy to select the correct or at least best Tags.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142722)
Chris,
Could you comment on maybe settings i need to change, or could you change MM internal operations to find better data?
Cheers,
Marius
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Hi Marius
Yes I have ripped about 500 CD's but most of mine are Pop, Folk and Jazz.
Plus I think the BDP1 has some issues with the BOT that the BDP-2 does not - Chris will know.
james
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thanks James,
I respect the BDP1 to be less capable than the BDP2. Also the 'regular' issues with classical libraries.
That's why i compared these 2 cd's on the 3 platforms. Difference between them is quite obvious.
Would expect the finding, collecting and using the correct tags to be a plain thing though, not dependent on heavier specs?
Hope Chris can shed his light. Must be possible to better the current MM results. XLD uses FreeDB, Amazon and MusicBrainz.
Marius
Hi Marius
Yes I have ripped about 500 CD's but most of mine are Pop, Folk and Jazz.
Plus I think the BDP1 has some issues with the BOT that the BDP-2 does not - Chris will know.
james
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I have a BDP-1 and BOT-1 which I rip from. I have have ripped many forms of music including recently classic and some Korean Traditional Music CDs from Korea. The tagging results are often crazily inaccurate with amusing results. I don't care that much as long as the music is identifiable enough, and the audio plays as it should. Sometimes, though, when I am playing a file from hard drive the identification is surprisingly off. For instance, last night I was playing Bitches Brew and the cover of Kind of Blue was showing!
I am thinking of moving to a BDP-2. Anyone out there want to convince me that the SQ of the BDP-2 is now superior to an early bDP-1?
docder
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I am thinking of moving to a BDP-2. Anyone out there want to convince me that the SQ of the BDP-2 is now superior to an early bDP-1?
docder
Although I never owned a BDP1, the SQ upgrade to the new Audio Board on my BDP 2 was very substantial so I must assume you will definitely appreciate your upgrade. The BOT works quite well with the BDP2. I've gotten over the quirks. Rips take 10 to 15 minutes on average. Occasionally 25-30, usually crappy disc. Rare "reject". It's still quirky on tagging but I can edit labels later if I feel like bothering. Sound quality is superb in flac and wav.
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As mentioned in another thread, I gave up and was extremely frustrated ripping using the BOT-1 connected to the BDP-2...I hooked up the BOT to my PC, way faster rips, SQ sounds great.and cover art!
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As mentioned in another thread, I gave up and was extremely frustrated ripping using the BOT-1 connected to the BDP-2...I hooked up the BOT to my PC, way faster rips, SQ sounds great.and cover art!
Hi Gasman,
you say you hooked the BOT up to your PC: you mean you use it now as an ordinary external drive? Not through MM Backup but with a dedicated app on your PC? More like the regular drive already there? Or did you find a trick for MM to read your drive attached to the PC?
For that would be the real answer and solution to the current design. As a ripper the BOT won't work right now for me, too many mistakes, too slow (caused by my BDP1 surely, but Timpani also quotes very long times, too unpractical, having to walk over to the BDP all the time, instead of being near your library/office setup, and reading over the network).
With my current limited experience so far, i feel the BOT is coolest and most functional as a cd player (all controls work effortless), that can be remotely controlled through the MM software. The fact that it plays from memory should be an added plus, but i can't really vouch for that, because the BDP1 has too little memory, causing the Cd drive to read al the time. Which, as a negative side effect compared to the BCD1, makes a lot of noise. A bit like R2D2 is standing in the room ;0)
All in all, i havent decided yet. A cool addition, for which Bryston deserves many credits. But, with a lot of aspects to consider. Taking the price (certainly over here) into account, that won't be an easy decision, let alone moneymaker.
Back to another rip!
Marius
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Correct..as an external pc drive, I rip lossless wav in win media player ripping with the bot. The mm interface is too slow...many mistakes...it. copies a few tracks then spits out the disc. You're right as a cool add on piece to play cd's and use from mm...but trying to rip 500 cds as this unit is intended...I would be in a padded cell and the bdp/bda/bot would be in the blue recycling bin at the end of my driveway smashed to pieces...
Just my 2 cents
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Chris
Are there any operating notes to go with (what I understand to be) the memory play options from the prev and next buttons on front panel?
I have resumed using my BDP2 with an Plextor BD drive, the basic play and ripping options seem much improved now and I can also get the memory play functions working too, but the latter only works for the first disc after startup, hangs on the second or subsequent attempts. I'm also that mystified why the folders that memory play adds to the media player seem to persist even after rebooting BDP.
Thanks
No reply?....
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he ho Waldhüter ihr!
it looks like the (fake) BOT is getting better at it, it finally found my favorite Parsifal
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142923)
although they we're related, and Covert is getting close, it still isn't there yet ;=)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142924)
All in all, enough to toy for the weekend,
Cheerio,
Marius
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Hi folks
The latest beta software that Chris has been working on has an option that can rip the CD in about 1/2 the time (5 minutes) of the previous software by disabling the verification process
Great news for those with a BOT. :thumb:
James
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The faster ripping is working for me on my BDP-1.
thank you
docder
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Good afternoon James,
My new BOT 1 works and sounds great!
Many thanks.
Tom
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Hi,
My BOT-1 won't eject the disc. I can hear the normal sounds it makes when it is ejecting, but the disc is not coming out. What to do? Thanks.
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Hit 'STOP' twice on the BDP
james
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I had done that. The BOT seems to be trying to eject but it seems like the CD is stuck. I've been using it a lot lately with no issues and there was nothing odd about how the CD went in. Any thoughts?
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I had done that. The BOT seems to be trying to eject but it seems like the CD is stuck. I've been using it a lot lately with no issues and there was nothing odd about how the CD went in. Any thoughts?
Hi Jay
No sorry I do not - it sounds like it jammed. I would assume you have to unplug it and remove the top. Please email Mike - mpickett@bryston.com - and ask him to give you exact instructions.
james
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Thank you James. Will do.
jay
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I had done that. The BOT seems to be trying to eject but it seems like the CD is stuck. I've been using it a lot lately with no issues and there was nothing odd about how the CD went in. Any thoughts?
Try playing a track, just for a few seconds and then ejecting it. Which version of the firmware is installed and what's the bot's serial number?
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It is using the latest version of firmware and is serial number 000102.
I removed the cover and saw that the optical drive is a sealed unit so I didn't attempt any disassembly. I very gently poked a slim screw driver into the disc slot and tried to feel for a disc. I was poking so lightly that I really couldn't tell if I made any progress. I reattached the power cord and cable to the BDP-2 and the disc ejected. It's been working fine since. Still not sure what happened but it was clearly stuck as it was making the usual eject noises all along but just wasn't ejecting.
Thanks for your support. You Bryston guys are fabulous in the way you support your customers!
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It is using the latest version of firmware and is serial number 000102.
I removed the cover and saw that the optical drive is a sealed unit so I didn't attempt any disassembly. I very gently poked a slim screw driver into the disc slot and tried to feel for a disc. I was poking so lightly that I really couldn't tell if I made any progress. I reattached the power cord and cable to the BDP-2 and the disc ejected. It's been working fine since. Still not sure what happened but it was clearly stuck as it was making the usual eject noises all along but just wasn't ejecting.
Thanks for your support. You Bryston guys are fabulous in the way you support your customers!
Great news !!! - the old Drive Gremlin strikes again :duh:
james
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Hi,
I have had Bryston since the mid 1990, PMC speakers and Bryston 4B in my music studio.
Great audio quality and zero fails.
At home I have
Bryston 2B LP Pro
Bryston pre amp
Bryston BDP-1
Bryston BOT-1
Westlake BBSM 6F
Some questions about the BOT
- it is possible to hook up the BOT to a laptop or computer and rip from there, tried it no issues with Windows.
- But it is not possible on a Mac, The BOT shows up but only imports 1kb of data then stops importing.
- The PS-3, why is that 12V PSU priced in the top range?
Jean
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Hi Jean
Please send these question to Chris - crice@bryston.com
james
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Hi,
I have the BOT-1 with the BDP-1.
But I could not play or rip a HDCD to the BDP-1
Jean
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Hi,
I have the BOT-1 with the BDP-1.
But I could not play or rip a HDCD to the BDP-1
Jean
Hi Jean!
Does this happen on all your HDCDs? This technology was developed by Pacific Microsonics and I seem to remember they introduced a new variant of copy protection management which could be the cause of the problem you're having. I seriously doubt it is a hardware problem but it could have something to do with the software within the BDP-1 that's used for ripping. You might want to try ripping it on your Windows machine.
Cheers,
Antun
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Hi R.Daneel,
thank you for the response,
I'll check other HDCD on the BOT / BDP as well as hooking up the BOT to a Windows machine to test ripping
Jean
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Hi R.Daneel,
thank you for the response,
I'll check other HDCD on the BOT / BDP as well as hooking up the BOT to a Windows machine to test ripping
Jean
No problem, Jean!
Cheers,
Antun
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Bryston BDP and BOT not working anymore => because of my mistake setting (solved):
I Think I found the bug that was bugging me with the BOT-1 and my BDP.
When I ran into issues with importing from the BOT,
I must have set the scratch disk to a HD called 1TB connected to the BDP
Then later disconnected the HD called 1TB and connected a new HD called FLAC01
As the scratch disk settings of the BDP was still searching for the scratch disk
The whole BDP + BOT became in a crash modus. (That is what I think happened )
Because when I connected a thumbdrive to the BDP, named 1TB all issues suddenly were gone, and the CD backup worked again.
My suggestions (as send to Bryston) Chris:
in disk information settings show scratch disk- to (what) HD/ SSD/ Thumbdrive
in the same row as disk size, mount point etc
Make it easy to disconnect the scratch disk somehow
Scratch disk location,
How to stop the scratch disk location/ do not use any HD for scratch
can it be de-assigned?
Suggestion: in disk information/settings in the row with mount point, size , block etc perhaps a line could mention scratch location: used/ not used.
If this really was the cause of my struggle, setting a scratch disk location, then ejecting that USB HD/SSD making the BDP plus BOT unusable for cd import is ‘a thing’
Timing (webbrowser entree) to the BDP
it takes about 5-10 seconds between pressing the button backup and the message: backup initiated
Suggestion; can that be shorter? or a message earlier: back up cd starting
When the cd backup is ready, it takes time before ejecting the CD from the BOT
there is no message that it is busy with anything, until the cd is ejected.
It only shows completed on the last track.
Suggestion; can a message be shown, busy (0/100%) wait until CD is ejected
When in backup of a CD using the BOT
I noticed that on the physical display of the BDP, the notification shows: CD Ready
Suggestion: while using the BOT to backup a CD (using the webbrowser entree to the BDP)
show on the physical display of the BDP: BOT CD backup in progress (0/100%)
CD being physical these can gert dirty/ scratches etc
Some CD became stuck in the backup progress
Meaning the cd needs to be ejected and the backup progress is stopped
A timer could help, after so many times trying to read the data, skip the track. Not importing it. Next track.
Suggestion;
Webbrowser BOT settings menu in he BDP
- how many times re reading CD tracks before skipping the track
Cover art
the meta data shows the artist and album information
he BDP does search for the cover art, but you need to open the cover art menu before you see it and could change it tp the correct cover art
Suggestion, to preview the supposed correct cover art in the cd backup screen without the need to open the cover art menu first
Here my search for solving my issue of BOT not ripping my CD's
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Issue BOT and BDP
at first I had a HD called 1TB
the first CD was correct written to the HD 1TB
the 2nd CD did not write the data to the HD 1TB
Tried a 3rd CD, no luck
checked some settings in the Disk settings from the BDP (I think I must have made the setting scratch disk to the 1TB HD then)
the connected HD to the BDP perhaps to be the issue
formatted it again and gave it a new name FLAC01
Then the issues really started
back up CD did not work anymore
the BDP mentioned every time I tried to backup: already running backup
days later, no result on the HD
I noticed that the original 1TB name was still mentioned in the BDP at the right side in media player
checked the settings for backup in the BDP these were correctly pointed towards the new
name for the HD: FLAC01
Still the backup did not work
tried many OS for checking the import settings of the BDP
included the Sony OLED TV OS, and different webbrowsers
same result, no backup
It is not the OS
Checked the HD
it’s not the HD, playing songs from the HD no problem
Checked the BOT, for playing CD’s no issues
it’s not the BOT
Checked the USB connection cable
it’s not the cable
using my Macbook Pro on latest Macos, I noticed differences between the Mac and iphone using bryston web entree to the bdp.
When using the iphone webbrowser for example I saw zero red ( disconnected ) ssd or hd.
On the mac often I saw a row of disconnected ssd/hd storage mediums. 1TB for example
Also on the mac a row of flac songs in red.
I deselected show corrupt tracks on mediaplayer settings.
Since then I do not see red flac tracks on the iphone bryston web entree to the bdp.
In the webbrowser I could choose where to burn the cd content to, but also to disconnected ssd/hd. the 1TB. That shouldn’t be selectable.. I suppose.
When connecting a external ssd or hd to the bdp often there are issues : disconnected mpd
While mpd is connected. The cpu load is then >90%.
A thumbstick then too has issues, stays red.
That 1TB name in the media player…
I formatted a new thumbdrive and named it 1TB
inserted it in the rear USB port
Backup from CD started to work again, without changing any settings
Shutdown the BDP, checked the thumbdrive called 1TB for song data.
No data was written to the thumbdrive
Using the webbrowser to the BDP checked if the rip was done
checked the name of the just backup CD in the media player
nothing
Checked the BDP using physical buttons, scrolling through the FLAC1 HD content
There it (finally) was mentioned
So the 1TB was the bug in this/ my settings made to the 1TB somehow maintained
I guess that perhaps I choose scratch disk for the 1TB while trying to get the BDP to work with the BOT
And the BDP now needs that 1TB scratch HD
One bug that bugs me: why can’t I see the backup CD in the webbrowser, while I can see them using the physical buttons to scroll through the songs…
Because I was trying to get my BOT to work and investigating why it did not work
I had many OS open: browsers Opera, Chrome, Safari on the Mac and Sony OS/ Google TVOS on the Sony OLED
This also gives issues, when importing for example a CD using Safari webbrowser with the backup page of the BDP open to check the progress of the CD backup
AND at the same time having Chrome webbrowser to the adress of the BDP opening mediaplayer will stop the cd backup in the Safari webbrowser to the BDP, ejecting the CD and the backup stopped.
Running the Bryston webbrowser to the BDP on multiple OS is not a good idea.
1 thing at the time, either backup cd’s or play songs I guess (for the BDP-1)
all in all, I have the BOT working (again) with the BDP
It imports CD / backups my CD into the BDP, read the data, encodes, checks metadata, then ejects the CD
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WOW - quite the explanation !
james
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Hi,
I’m still struggling with the BDP and BOT
Cd’s were importing (at last) playlist updated
Then, cd’s importing but the (webbrowser) playlist not updated
Using the Physical buttons on the BDP to the recent cd import show up.
Anybody any suggestions how to get the playlist on the webbrowser gui to the BDP to update again?
Thanks
Jean
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Yeah I am about ready to give up on the BOT. I have inquired here, called Bryston and emailed them several times and nothing. I realize the product is no longer supported but it still makes me reluctant to purchase any more Bryston gear.
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Found several points that could help getting the bdp and bot working as should: reset bdp to factory settings using dashboard/ system. cd back up/ settings: use memory as temp storage. Check dashboard disk info for /user allocated memory. Attach and point to use a scratch disk in disk information : usb thumpdrive >2/4 GB. Reboot the BDP using dashboard / system reboot. Check if the scratch disk is allocated. Dashboard/ disk info perform : update . on the disk used for the backup of cd’s.
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Found several points that could help getting the bdp and bot working as should: reset bdp to factory settings using dashboard/ system. cd back up/ settings: use memory as temp storage. Check dashboard disk info for /user allocated memory. Attach and point to use a scratch disk in disk information : usb thumpdrive >2/4 GB. Reboot the BDP using dashboard / system reboot. Check if the scratch disk is allocated. Dashboard/ disk info perform : update . on the disk used for the backup of cd’s.
Wow, I would probably consider that information, "for nerds only", and not for a regular run-of-the-mill audio enthusiast who thought this device would be an easy solution to rip their CD collection. Shouldn't these devices be easy to operate for all?
brucek
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A brand new BDP, i.e. the new BDP-3 and a BOT, should have all settings correct, and you should not run into any issues.
The BDP and BOT combination can work without the use of a webbrowser, insert a CD, press the button and the back up starts automatically.
I have the BOT-1 & BDP-1.
In the BDP-1 are many settings.
Which may, or may not, tune your BDP to your personal set up.
My BDP came in set to someone else's settings.
From day 1 the BOT just did not respond to the BDP.
I reset the BDP to factory settings and double checked all other settings.
Since then all is fine, the CD back up works as expected.
I back -upped 100's of CD's to the BDP-1 using the BOT-1 as CD transport and many more are waiting for the back up.
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Wow, I would probably consider that information, "for nerds only", and not for a regular run-of-the-mill audio enthusiast who thought this device would be an easy solution to rip their CD collection. Shouldn't these devices be easy to operate for all?
brucek
Ripping is far more efficient than using the BOT-1 for backup. No doubt about that.
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What’s interesting to me is how quickly they dismissed the project. I remember Chris working very hard (and long hours) to make it work. One particular photo stuck in my mind – where he had the player on his bench, at way passed midnight, saying it was a long day but that he got it working. It was a full-width (17’’) component at that point, with a conventional drawer-type mech, not this slot-in business. At that point, it looked like a worthy project and something I’d be interested in.
Yet, they delivered something completely different – a computer ROM drive for 1500 €. Even though James says their prices are a direct reflection of the costs involved in making a product, it simply isn’t true in this case. Considering how many problems the users are having, you cannot say that this high price is there to help recover the costs of software development – and we know the money didn’t go into the hardware either.
If the project had continued like it was first envisioned, I’d be enthusiastic about it. But as it turned out, the BOT-1 is an insanely-priced, uninspiring piece of equipment IMHO.
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the BOT-1 is an insanely-priced, uninspiring piece of equipment IMHO.
Mine is currently a useless brick. :cuss:
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Mine is currently a useless brick. :cuss:
Hi!
I’m sorry to hear that. I read your previous post where you said you’re thinking about giving up on Bryston in general. I can quite understand your viewpoint – I am really the same way. You can trick me only once and then we’re done.
Knowing what goes or rather, what should go into engineering, I wonder how the BOT-1 was even approved for final production and delivery to the customers. From what I’m reading, it’s a half-product. Even if you dismiss the 1500 € price for what is basically a ROM drive in a fancy box (people can spend their money on what they please), it should at the very least work as intended.
Then there’s the customer support. IMO, the “high-end” description is deserved only when the quality of the product is matched by effective after-sales support. This is where most companies fail miserably. In this regard, there are a lot fewer high-end manufacturers than people think. Now, Bryston didn’t make the ROM drive inside the BOT-1 so likely they don’t take any responsibility for its operability (I am assuming the drive itself is the problem here). They really should because it was them who decided to use that drive and you gave your money to them, not Panasonic or whoever made the drive. The bottom line is this – some customers are clearly happy with their purchase so if they got what they paid for, there is absolutely no reason you should be treated any differently.
My advice is to be persistent. James Tanner is a decent gentleman. I know it’s no consolation but Bryston is actually one of the better companies to deal with.
Cheers!
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Hi!
I’m sorry to hear that. I read your previous post where you said you’re thinking about giving up on Bryston in general. I can quite understand your viewpoint – I am really the same way. You can trick me only once and then we’re done.
Knowing what goes or rather, what should go into engineering, I wonder how the BOT-1 was even approved for final production and delivery to the customers. From what I’m reading, it’s a half-product. Even if you dismiss the 1500 € price for what is basically a ROM drive in a fancy box (people can spend their money on what they please), it should at the very least work as intended.
Then there’s the customer support. IMO, the “high-end” description is deserved only when the quality of the product is matched by effective after-sales support. This is where most companies fail miserably. In this regard, there are a lot fewer high-end manufacturers than people think. Now, Bryston didn’t make the ROM drive inside the BOT-1 so likely they don’t take any responsibility for its operability (I am assuming the drive itself is the problem here). They really should because it was them who decided to use that drive and you gave your money to them, not Panasonic or whoever made the drive. The bottom line is this – some customers are clearly happy with their purchase so if they got what they paid for, there is absolutely no reason you should be treated any differently.
My advice is to be persistent. James Tanner is a decent gentleman. I know it’s no consolation but Bryston is actually one of the better companies to deal with.
Cheers!
I actually suspect the power supply. When I plug it in the power light does not stay continuously illuminated, flickers. Started by intermittently disappearing from MM interface. Now it never even registers with MM. I have looked online for a power supply but dont see any with matching connector for BOT. All my request has been is: can I buy another?
I slum over on audiogon in the digital group and have always recommended Bryston streamers to people. I dont recommend Bryston anymore.
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I actually suspect the power supply. When I plug it in the power light does not stay continuously illuminated, flickers. Started by intermittently disappearing from MM interface. Now it never even registers with MM. I have looked online for a power supply but dont see any with matching connector for BOT. All my request has been is: can I buy another?
I slum over on audiogon in the digital group and have always recommended Bryston streamers to people. I dont recommend Bryston anymore.
Hi!
Which BDP player are you using?
Are you using any kind of external power supplies with your BOT or is it powered by the USB bus on your BDP?
If you are using a BDP-1, it has a 1 Amp power supply whereas BDP-2/3 have a 5 Amp power supply. Depending on which version of BDP you are using and what you have connected to it, a connected device will perform well or poor. One other thing to consider is - the USB cable. In case you are powering the BOT directly off the BDP's USB bus, the length of the USB cable might be too long. As outrageous as it sounds, I have external USB-powered HDDs that just don't work if the USB cable exceeds a certain length. As you've described, the power LED goes on and off. All of these are USB 2.0 devices like the BDP and BOT.
Let me know!
Cheers - Antun
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Hi!
Which BDP player are you using?
Are you using any kind of external power supplies with your BOT or is it powered by the USB bus on your BDP?
If you are using a BDP-1, it has a 1 Amp power supply whereas BDP-2/3 have a 5 Amp power supply. Depending on which version of BDP you are using and what you have connected to it, a connected device will perform well or poor. One other thing to consider is - the USB cable. In case you are powering the BOT directly off the BDP's USB bus, the length of the USB cable might be too long. As outrageous as it sounds, I have external USB-powered HDDs that just don't work if the USB cable exceeds a certain length. As you've described, the power LED goes on and off. All of these are USB 2.0 devices like the BDP and BOT.
Let me know!
Cheers - Antun
BOT-1 uses an external power supply. My BDP is the Pi.
Here is the BOT-1 Power Supply.
https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=241427
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BOT-1 uses an external power supply. My BDP is the Pi.
Here is the BOT-1 Power Supply.
https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=241427
I see. The label says it’s 9V/2A and the plug appears to be a pin-type. I think it shouldn’t be difficult to find a replacement because that is one seriously cheap power adaptor. Quite shocking any manufacturer with high-end pretence would use something like that. Just to be sure, can you please post a pic of the plug itself? Have you tested the adaptor with something else?
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The BOT 1 says 12v input
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=243058)
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A D-SUB connector to power an otherwise ordinary computer ROM drive.
But there’s one thing I don’t quite understand – the schematic on the actual power supply clearly shows a circular plug with two poles with a plus on the inner pin and a minus on the outer ring… Did Bryston buy the power supply from a Chinese supplier and just changed the plug to a D-SUB in-house?